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VOTE: frogsterking personality tests are pseudoscience

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BIG CHUNGUS

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Frogster why is your ocean test better than rvs and why didn't you link us all the same one and also post your results? NPOM and Galren might be beside one another in this wagon and I'm here to back them up

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Frogsterking(1) ~ bugspray(2)

read the vote count i already did and also you both spelled the name wrong

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@amelie are you a novelty account based off of the movie by the same name?

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[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12435057]
Everyone else I read as town so far.[/quote]
Why am I town?

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the other game that was in yeetlo just ended and it was scuffed i will catch up tomorrow

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Well Bugs said they'd catch up Today (Tuesday) so I'm waiting to see what they have to offer.

I haven't played with Bugs for a while but I've had success reading them previously.

It's 10 am and I'm gonna go to sleep

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after my rice is done and I'm no longer distracteed by the physical sensation of hunter I will do a reread and talk about opinions

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update im eating rice

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NPOM is making sense. That should probably ping me, but it seems okay.

i think this implies either they are in a hood together or that there is a strong history of these two together

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*@Froggester*

You have meta on Bug Spray? or are you making assumptions on how they approach this situation as scum based on what they personality seems to be?

i fucking hope not because i've never played with froggster

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Well Bugs said they'd catch up Today (Tuesday) so I'm waiting to see what they have to offer.

I haven't played with Bugs for a while but I've had success reading them previously.

hiiiii!
almost here
i've got some reads and posts to share

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@Momrangal

I guess at this point I'm mostly curious as to what you think scum!Me has to gain out of trying to discredit NPOM at that point in time. Also that isn't how I saw townbeard being defined but eh.

NPOM is making sense. That should probably ping me, but it seems okay.

i think this implies either they are in a hood together or that there is a strong history of these two together

1) why do you think this leaves a possibility of Galron and NPOM being in a hood

2) why would you out that possibility publicly to both the thread at large and to the scumteam

3) your probably town for this

1) they also sort of looked like they were softing/crumbing it on page 1

2) i was wondering why this was missing from my notes

3) excuse me? i'd like to know why

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grendel is town as fuck
like 262 is just so reasonable
he does some questioning with a pagetop that's worded in such an effective way. he asks questions that would cearly provoke different asnwers from town or scum and his paranoia is super healthy

also 162 implies that they are definitely neighbors or maybe masons. i don't think scum would make the kind of associative posts they are

apparently i thought grendel looked really town on page 7

amelie is scummy

i think galron's posting is towning especailly 101

VOTE: amelie

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after my rice is done and I'm no longer distracteed by the physical sensation of hunter I will do a reread and talk about opinions

What the FUCK is Hunter

HUNGER
t and g are right next to eacch other and i was real

HUNTRY

when i wrote that

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do you have any actual questions about my posts? i feel like they shouldnt be so satisfactory

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and you can't just say them for other people to see and talk about?
you're on my wagon

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what does that even mean?

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Are you a self-conscious person?

it's really hard for me not to although i've been trying to lessen the amount of masking I perform in non professional situations

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sorry i was just really excited about using my new rice cooker for the first time

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no, i'm town

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Trendall can you make posts that are easier to parse? I'm getting the vibe of someone who is heading for the chopping block from you and the amount of pressure on your slot is like really low

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I read one of Amélie's posts and just sort of found it concerning at face value but it reads a lot like newb!town

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VLA for some holidays

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Bugs isnt doing a lot for me right now. Im pretty content to sheep there.

Like most compelling thing i can say is that its weird for scum to openly spec on unannounced neighbors/masons.

I also dont really understand the formation of his town read on me. Feels like they are trying to fake a soul read or something. :/

my pronouns are they/them

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I say this because Amelie and Bugs have practically nothing to say about each other.

this is a blatant misrep I've had plenty of things to say about her I'm even on her wagon although taking a closer look even if she's saying nonsense I don't see it coming from newb!scum in terms of the apparent effort
VOTE: npom
Also the way you quoted gamma's post about how Amélie is jealous of the townbloc and scum is trying to push it's way in seems to me a lot like scum projecting from insure the "townbloc" in order to not be suspected

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VOTE: Amelie

I'm sensing some jealousy from those outside of the townblock. Not a town trait. Some things have to be earned.

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. i typically find scum more likely to lurk after submitting responses to the questions until somebody else gets the game out of the "random" phase. Usally because they both dont know how to move out of that stage naturally, and dont have the motivation to try.

I think this is a good evaluation of the idea behind it, at least for the short term “reading people directly off of responses” tactic

Btw about the activity read discussion, I think any scumteam worth their salt would have someone trying to get their foot in the door if the {Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, frogster} set is all-town
Amelie’s attack on the block kinda feels that way.

Another good reason to town block active players is that if one of them is night killed then that would give credence that most of them are town.

In effect it limits scums options

Huh looks like I misremembered him quoting this gamma post but

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My vote puts npom at 4 votes

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that meta is trash

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the burden of work for that trash meta is on you i'm not going to go read some game

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If the townblock is correct on 4 out of 5 slots the townblock is in goodshape.

I only see an issue if 3 or less of the townblock is town.

Do you think either of these is the case?

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seems inconsistent with your previous post that you thought scum was jealous about not being into the townblock. why would amelie feel the need to force herself in if there's already scum in the proverbial bloc?

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The reason I keep on bringing up the townblock is that it is annoying to scum.

actually, it's just annoying

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im very scared of Luca because I can't read him and remember him rolling scum one time and believing he looked exactly like town!Luca and trying to elim me at any time is usually not very controversial (meta me if you're into that) and neither is wanting to elim lunar which makes me very :(

npim here is reminding me increasingly of town!formerfish

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What I don't like about Bugspray is he doesn't have much to say about his wagon. I feel like there is more merit to it than he is acknowledging. I'd like him to be more vocal so we can read him.

Tbh I did merely vote him because he was less active but I haven’t seen anything from him or anyone else that changes my mind

My pronouns are they/them and I'm getting fucking sick of saying it

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@BugSpray

Would a heroic

Town!Bugspray

let a poor vulnerable town be eaten alive by bugs?!



I want to hear your thoughts on more players BugSpray. Help me out?

Basically I don't have any practical experience with lots of the slots and it's hard to read newbs because you can tell what posts of theirs are ai but figuring out which alignment they are is difficult

I am bug spray. If you look at my avatar you will see that it is spraying bugs. If bugs are eating a townie and they aren't mine then I would be forced to basically beat the shit out of the townie by swatting all of the bugs on them which is a pretty scary idea.

Going to look at the npom partner equities because I feel like there was two or three people other then npom saying "no please get off the wagon" and it can be easily that one of them was town and the other two/1 exist as partners

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Frog that's a pretty strange leading question. What are you trying to get out of it?

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sounds good VOTE: lunar martian
that's l-1

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That vote came out of nowhere, possibly a late bus attempt.

Lunar should claim in their next post.

have you seen lunar's iso?

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also why not hammer if you think it will flip red?

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567 looks like it's coming from scum!luca who KNOWS that it's going to flip red and is trying to make it look like i'm the one who is actually going to bus

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calling my previous mention of lunar in 462 a strong tr is real reachy. a lot of the time i just have difficulty reading slots and pretend they don't exist and up until recently for me that was lunar

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If needed I can claim, but I prefer not to obviously. I'm not really willing to claim when half the people voting me haven't stated any reasons though. There's time, why don't the people voting me try to talk to me a little?

hey lunar what's your role?

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npom why did you say intent to put at e-1 instead of intent to hammer? im getting flashbacks to that 9:10 when suberbowl9 called an e1 e2 and then i idiot hammered and i dont want that shit happening again

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lunar martian are you spiteful?

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Hey lunar nopom gave intent can you claim now or should he just hammer?

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During Bugs’ scum game I remember them doing this weird chart of associations, which also showed some creativity. That’s just off the top of my head, I’ll re-check their meta for anything else.

I remember that! I put everyone's avatar in a circle and then drew random lines of different colors and claimed it explained everything

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i'm a backup neighbor lemme quote the crumb/soft

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Frogster why is your ocean test better than rvs and why didn't you link us all the same one and also post your results?

NPOM and Galren might be beside one another in this wagon and I'm here to back them up

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i'm a backup neighbor lemme quote the crumb/soft

I have not read up but is this role confirmed to be town like a mason or can it be scum?

it can be scum but i seriously doubt that there isn't some other town power that can confirm me tonight

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Someone said earlier that bugs was a creative player. As a backup neigbor, what couldn't they come up with a better back-up fakeclaim?

i literally crumbed it very early from the MOMENT i sniffed who might be in the hood

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backup anything is a really bold fake claim because it has no real point other than to be the target of a rolecop/complex role if there is nothing to actually backup

maybe a backup miller could be conftown if a rolecop can read them because i don't think scum backup miller would pass nrg

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so are we gonna elim lm, amelie, or ower today? i will hammer anyone but myself rn and when its like an hour to go i'll selfhammer too

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We're just discussing if the fake claim is viable or not. I'm leaning no, because he hasn't been very active and I feel with a lame role like backup neighbor he'd be more active.

who are you talking about? my pronouns are they/them

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so are we gonna elim lm, amelie, or ower today? i will hammer anyone but myself rn and when its like an hour to go i'll selfhammer too

Lunar Martian is the popular pick and I think we need to hurry otherwise we might not have enough time to ask for a claim.

lunar softed being a tpr

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Right....you complain that people are scumreading you for no reason and no-one is talking to you, but I’ve clearly tried to engage with you and you’re not interested in talking to me at all.

Intent to hammer, claim your role please.

Except you really haven't. You haven't even convinced me that you're reading anything I say.

That’s weird, given I’ve directly commented on most of your posts this game.

I’ll give you one more chance to claim.

Yes you've commented and still managed to not engage with my posts. For example you're still not showing that you've read my posts about bugspray, and you aren't following up on any questions you ask me, other than to whine.

Kill me if you want, but it's gonna look real bad tomorrow

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could just be bluffing but would suck if we rekt a rolecop who could at least prove i'm telling the truth or even a regular cop who can clear me for d2

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what did you see (allagedly)?

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You seem more concerned about your pronouns than finding scum though.

I prioritize receiving basic human respect higher than winning an internet forum mafia game.

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VOTE: ORAM

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*@Bugspray*

you factually know that Galleon, and Nopom are neighbors? or was that a guess just to crumb your role?

it's a guess but when you know what to sniff for sometimes you can dig up truffles in the morning

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was about to say HEY! but i'm glad you got yourself <3

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this website's meta is really warped around a particular meta that's overly adapted to the format IMO.

Good for me!

don't you need to play a fuckton of irc games to get access to the em forums? seems kinda wack

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A votecount would be nice.

I'm doing Lunar or Bugspray today. I'm still not sold on ORAM wagon.

Bugspray's claim is more likely to be scum, I think. I absolutely do not think a Town Backup Neighbor openly specs on neighbors.

Reviewing the evidence, I'm inclined to say Bugspray is a Traitor, actually. I thjnk his open spec on neighbors makes more sense from the perspective of a Traitor with info on Neighbors/Masons in the setup.

my pronouns are they them

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VOTE: lunar martian

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that's e-2

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Did Amélie crumb who she was gonna visit last night? (I sincerely doubt mafia intentionally chose to target her)

Bug spray, who else is in the neighbor hood?

i'll check...

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i dont see anything in her iso about that
revealing who is in the hood is smth i onlty wanna do if all inside are on board

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there's info on the hood that im reluctant to share publicly because if scum isn't in it it would be good for them to know

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VOTE: unvote

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gamma was added to the hood at the same time as me and claims to be backup
there is a claimed town investigative role (which one is unclear) that claims to have a green light on npom

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Oh I'm prodded

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Yeah a vc when I'm about to catch up is really good because it gets me into the mafia gamer mindset

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I don’t like calling it a recruit
That sounds like someone picked us out to join the hood, when it was just RNG that enabled that

Really? What's the randomness involved?

my guess is gorgebailey went to random.org to decide that i will get the town backup neighbor role pm

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I'm pretty ready to scum case OutWorldER based on his ISO alone and not taking into account any partner associative tells, I see a very distinct scum agenda from his iso as long as you assume both NPOM and I are town.

If you scum read by tone Luca, look at the unenthusiastic and mildly pissed off tone in all of OutWorldER's posts.

okay actually iy would be very smart for scum to claim an investigateive tpr in a hood with a claimed protectie role and then basically kill them and then just give a random clear you know is correct for credibility but this is an idea and not a thought

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my eyes feel glazy as i read, going to do a full "catch up" and then lie down and probably miss all the questions please quote or re ask them sorry but ugh i also ate way too much food int he past two hours..

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why do you wait so long to bring it up?

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npom do you know how backup roles work?

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Generally when the primary dies the backup is activated.

right and i was a backup neighbor and mechwise theres really no way for gamma to also join the hood other than also being backup

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yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
please don't misgender me i think we all know what happened to people recently who have done that

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VOTE: ejjinami

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. Later, I will post the interactions I found which lead me to believe Mom and Bugs were trying to signal to Lunar their alignment.

How about you do it now
Also what if you were to perhaps flip LM to clear me instead
Or flip the scummy shirtless cat that replaced trendall who is spewing scum

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Ejji said some wack shit in the hood

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I recently played scum in the are you my partner micro and it was hellish because I replaced in and my opinion is that traitors who don't know their friends also literally isn't mafia because something something informed minority

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also whoever the fuck insinuated that there's a traitor who doesn't know who the buddies are that's ridiculous i just played bingle's one micro as a scum who didn't know who my partner is with secret alts and it was hellish in a few ways even though I was instantly able to identify my partner so unless you think georgebailey is completely incompetent at intelligent setup design that isn't even worth considering and also probably woldn't pass normal review because it's not mafia due to something something informed minority so occam's razor just says that's...

Spoiler: BULLSHIT

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bug, the fact that you were able to guess the traitor in 1 game doesn’t mean that it applies to all games

that has nothing to do with my argument
iic i said it was hellish DEPSITE finding my partmner

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the cat muscle dude says his role is a counterpart to mine and i have no fucking clue what that's even supposed to mean

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@mod how should I go about finding out the normalcy of traitor in various contexts so that I can actually figure out if what people are saying is bullshit or not without compromising the integrity of the game?

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eji you're making less sense than i ever have

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eji's shit was so incomprehensibly wack and i abrely understand it myself but i don't think town ever says it

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You know how they say seeing cthulu makes you insane? That's basically what happened to me in the hood last night

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eji's shit was so incomprehensibly wack and i abrely understand it myself but i don't think town ever says it

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you know
I didn’t think it was possible to make me doubt my scum-read on luca that easily
dude, you’re literally being 2-dimensional

My “PLAN” was literally just asking gamma to claim first

oh noooooooo, that’s soooo scummy

I have no idea what you're talking about

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can there be third parties in 13p normals

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i am increasingly confused

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liek 24 meatspace hours or mafia tomorrow after someone gets night killed

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busy rn so not reading the game rn i will later but tbh i feel like trying to understand this gamestate is a waste of my rtime

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okay think for a little bit town has so much power and then they get an informed and assuming I'm also scum a backup neigbor? That's not a lot compared to what town seems to have

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sorry been brain sad a few days gonna play chess and maybe read this topic later
VOTE: luca
will reread to check if galron is scum because apparently the three original members of the hood are all tpr and also there was grendel so it seems like scum must have some serious shit or someone is lying

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Can we get another vc that frame isn't very good

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This is literally a micro with extra steps??

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what is a tmi? i get it means too much information but i don't get it in this context deadass

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what is a tmi? i get it means too much information but i don't get it in this context deadass

Frogster (not knowing how traitor works on this site) thinks that you and Mom were trying to signal to Lunar your folks alignment.
Your response is: "Flip Lunar to clear me". In this context, the thing that would clear you would be Lunar flipping Town, so it sounds like, ya know, you know Lunar's town.

What? I thought a red lunar flip would confirm me in that case but I've been barely reading this game

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Bugspray can you answer my questions please?

put them all in one post, i have trouble responding to scatter

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i don't get how flip lm to clear me is tmi
there's two outcomes
1) lm flips town and that clears me but I don't remember why
2) lm flips scum and we get a scum elim
it's win win because with me proven green we have a very good poe pool for yeetlo and can sinch a town win

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it's a good idea to use deadline tags for "gonna hammer heres a timer"

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my top suspect is luca but elim there is impossible. i have some paranoia around galron because i don't think there's any way town gets three investigative roles and a bodyguard with one bodyguard in the hood with two investigatyors seems like it would be RIDICULOUSLY townsided. i think hollister cat is likely town because that slot started talking about how i must be an aescetic neighbor or something which i think is a real townslip due to the fact that i claimed backup neighbor in at least one spot and i'd expect my claim would also be mentioned in the scum thread which i would definitely think someone would fully read on replace in unless it's a toxic mess which isn't likely imo because momrangel wouldnt let that happen
,y rluca read and it's more than just an omgus, have you read my iso?
quoting what you are having trouble understanding in particular is good

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anyway is that all?

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wait did i accidentally leak hood info? woops

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it makes sense not to have a scum on the wagon if it's likely you won't need one and also would solidify a strong position for yeetlo

okay 2 doesnt clear me but a scum elim's a scum elim and i would be fine to die tomorrow if i think that we can clutch the 3p yeetlo

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There is scum in the hood.

are you sure? they eliminiated a tpr outside the hood when they could have nk one of the two claimed investigative roles in the hood

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Not necessarily - Amelie, who was a BG and was in the hood, died N1.

Did Amelie know Grendel was a PR N1?

yes

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I thought Grendel was in the hood.

no its galron

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only thing in hood amelie hinted was `trenall if you are protective please protect galron tonight` but no other reference to her role

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I don't think so. I asked him to clear me in the hood last night and it seemed like he was trying to avoid saying no
the more i think the more it's him
VOTE: galron

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oh he later claimed to be a neopet (the ice cream cop)

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alrighty then VOTE: luca

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*they

...right
pronouns

you do this and then your big iso post about how im conftown just calls me he every single time it's exhausting

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vc please

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Bah!

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The setup felt townsised datisi thanks for backup modding George it's your turn in chess

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it's hard to be real motivated when you roll scum thre times in a row

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Lol, tell me about it.

Here, pokemon, and alts.

Literally the first three games coming back to the site too

and two of those games were us scum together LOLOLL