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[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Amelie

For utilizing RVS.

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By the way I have drawn town 9 out of 10 times and that sucks because I love playing as scum.

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You don't know me then.

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Let's just skip RVS and vote my wagon.

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OutWorldER was scum in my last game it wouldn't be fair if he rolled scum twice in a row and I am perpettually town.

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Not very good scum either, lolhammered town.

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I hate personality tests

VOTE: Momrangal

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Wagon ho!

VOTE: forgsterking

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then vote?

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my bad

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One of the questions should be, should people who post personality tests be policy eliminated?

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Remove 1-10.

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There are other players?

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I'm resisting it because personality tests are dumb.

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I don't think your tendency to equate personality traits with scumminess is productive.

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I have more going on than just this Mafia game thank you very much.

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Also my posting style is nai

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I'm referring to the claim that I'm evasive and I don't post complete thoughts.

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The only question that I see from you is why I'm being an ass and I don't think you need to be nice to find scum.

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My scumdar has been highly effective lately and I am trusting my instincts

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Personality test are always the worst part of a hiring process when you submit an application for work

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I don't think scum would be that blatant about doing it

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Not all scumhunting is based on logic

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And I'm not pushing that I'm scummy at all

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Peronality tests are equative to self metaing which is scummy in itself

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I disagree

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I'd rather see what someone is like for myself than be told

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I don't mind being told in itself it's being expected to take it for granted that I have a problem with also I feel like the time could be better spent in hunting scum

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No you are twisting my words. The questions in general are a waste of time and lazy

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I think it has been a productive start.

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Slight town on you and frog null on everybody else

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Me frog gamma and Galron is a good block

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I always get confused between Galron and Grendel

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unvote

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VOTE: Amelie

I'm sensing some jealousy from those outside of the townblock. Not a town trait. Some things have to be earned.

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All the ladies are crazy for me.

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What I'm most interested in right now guy with Bowie avatar, is if you're resisting my theory because you're conservative (and higher in conscientiousness) and you just resist change in general or if you're simply resisting it because you're running on instinct and picking a fight with the first person who catches your attention.

The David Bowie avatar makes me suspect you are higher in openness than you are in conscientiousness, but not as high as you are in extraversion and disagreeableness, so you're mainly just picking a fight with me in order to demonstrate you have some kind of social value and are barely reading anyone's posts besides your own.

I tend to read people based on how they respond to my attacks.

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Never too early for a town block as you can see it's already forcing discussion

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There is not really the point approximately 66% of players should be town and usually active posters are town so it's an educated guess and a decent strategy in my opinion

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Error is not the point rather

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*@No Power*

You said you're familiar with OutWorlder's scum game, Are you also familiar with their town game? and do you think enough has happened that you can out a read there?

I've only played that one game with him. He hasn't posted that much and he seems to be avoiding controversy. In the game I played with him he was front and center pretty much the whole game so I don't know if this is his town game or if he is responding to that situation.

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Yes, it makes sense for the scum team to form a town block because the actual town is just dumb that way.

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I've been trying to strike a balance between playing in a way that helps the town win and being individualistic. I think in my first couple games that was a challenge for me.

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I've been trying to strike a balance between playing in a way that helps the town win and being individualistic. I think in my first couple games that was a challenge for me.

What does being individualistic mean to you?

I don't know, being able to let my personality shine and not feeling that I need to be someone that I'm not. I think some of the old guard here acts like there should be some sort of aristocrity and that was kind of off putting at first. But the more I've interacted with people I see that those are in the minority and that you can both work with them and ignore the negative parts.

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Everyone that is posting actively looks pretty town to me aside from NoPowerOverMe. I saw that momrangal pointed out NoPowerOverMe's behavior is likely NAI because it's motivated by his disagreeableness, and I agree, the reason I suspect him more than the others is that I believe he will play the same way as scum, whereas the other active posters are less likely to be approaching the game in this way simply because they don't have the experience lying because outside of mafia and they're not really motivated to practice lying or get very many opportunities to practice it because they aren't extraverted or disagreeable. Obviously they could still be very good at lying in general or have practiced it for this specific purpose (lying in a mini-normal on mafiascum) it's just less likely when you think about what motivated their behavior in the past leading up to this game, so for that reason I FoS NoPowerOverMe alone in the active posters.

Players that don't have the desire or the experience to practice lying are going to need to construct some sort of persona for themselves, lie low for much of the game, or replace out. The persona they create is going to need to gel with people that are open, agreeable, and neurotic.

The conclusion of my conjecture is that at least 2/3 of the scum are in the low-activity pool or mid-activity pool already, and in the case that one scum is in the high-activity pool that scum is NoPowerOverMe because his temperament gives him more motivation and opportunity to practice lying in his day to day life, so it makes more sense he would elect to adopt this same approach rolling scum in this game.

Please expand on this because this makes absolutely zero sense to me. How does my temperment make it more likely for me to be scum?

Players that have played with me before have pointed out that I thrive on conflict and this is true. You are completely ignoring the input of other players.

Also I gave you the benefit of the doubt by including you in the townblock and I am beginning to regret that if you are not going to give me the benefit of the doubt.

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There's a difference between being a strong scum player and enjoying it. I've only drawn scum once and I lost. What makes you think I am good scum and how does that pertain to this game?

Your methodology needs a lot of work. I feel you have desire to be town leader except you don't realize town are supposed to collaborate.

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I'm not okay with yeeting Frog.

I think his logic is faulty but I don't see it coming from a scum perspective. I could see his process becoming more pro town as more information is available.

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Another good reason to town block active players is that if one of them is night killed then that would give credence that most of them are town.

In effect it limits scums options

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No one said that anything was certain. the point is that it puts the ball in their Court and makes it more important and who they do and don't kill

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4 players with 10 posts or less. I'd make a guess at least one scum is in that group.

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I'm not sold on Amelie but for the townblock...

VOTE: bugspray

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You're sorry for being scum?

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I could see Amelie and Bugs as partners.

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The thing about Amelie's agressiveness is, it's one thing to be aggressive in the "town spirit" and work with other town players in the name of hunting scum, it's quite another to be agressive towards players that are by and large being townread by the rest of the table. It could be the result of inexperience or it could be the result of scum with an agenda.

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Solving the game doesn't help you much if you get yeeted.

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It's a mistake to assume that because a player is new with this username they are new to mafia in general.

I think Amelie needs to convince us, not vice versa, she's the one being wagoned.

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Before someone points out that I'm being wagoned too, the votes on me are extremely weak, one vote says I "feel off" and another said "let's see what this will do."

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I'm supposed to be worried about E3?

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Like I said, the fact that you are following the weak votes says more about you than me.

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I could care less about the wagon if it gets to E1 I'll claim and there will be no surprises.

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Scum is obviously afraid of me.

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OutworldER claiming that votes based on very flimsy reasoning are solid is just way out in left field.

Furthermore, his reasoning that elimining me gives information could be true of anyone that is actually being active and scumhunting.

My theory is that the townblock is correct on at least 4 out of 5 placements, maybe 5 out of 5, and the red team is intimidated. No coincidence that none of the votes on me are coming from outside of the townblock.

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I say this because Amelie and Bugs have practically nothing to say about each other.

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Hmmm...the players in my solve make up 3 of the 4 votes in my wagon. And the votes all come AFTER I voice my suspicions.

Feels very similar to day 3 of Mini Normal 2179.

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Hmmm...the players in my solve make up 3 of the 4 votes in my wagon. And the votes all come AFTER I voice my suspicions.

Feels very similar to day 3 of Mini Normal 2179.

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have you read it?

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You can't call something trash that you haven't read.

To put a long story short OutworldER was on a scum team with Flavor Leaf and one other dude. I drew town even night neopolitan and had a feeling about FL and OW because on day one OW quickhammered town and then FL called him obvtown because of it. There was a mass claim so I fake claimed VT to make sure I got to day 3. FL claimed town neopolitan day 3 and I countercalimed neopolitan. I correctly called out OW and FL as scum. Town still stupidly eliminated me, but the point is that I was right on my reads.

OW and FL made some not so nice comments about my play in the scum thread, so it's pretty obvious to me that OW is scum here and thinks I am an easy mislynch.

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I believe it, because that's what happened in the aforementioned game.

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I have only played in 10 games, not 20.

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OutWorldER	Alive	Mafia Goon	Survived and Won
NoPowerOverMe	Dead	Town Even-Night Neapolitan	Eliminated Day 3
Flavor Leaf	Alive	Mafia Traffic Analyst	Survived and Won
Alchemist21	Alive	Mafia 2-shot Rolestopper	Survived and Won

Vote Count 3.8

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

NoPowerOverMe

(3): Flavor Leaf, Alchemist21, OutWorldER

OutWorldER

(2): NoPowerOverMe, Battle Mage

no elim

(1): Rannygazoo

Not Voting

(3): MathBlade, Titus, no elim

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-12-13 20:25:07).

Mod notes:

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Battle Mage is V/LA for the weekend. I am also V/LA for the weekend, but I will try to get vote counts spaced a maximum of 12 hours apart.

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I feel like the NPOM wagon is in essence a resistance to the townblock.

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Like I said, scum feels threatened.

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You could be right, I'm just paranoid because of what happened in my last game with OWer.

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If the townblock is correct on 4 out of 5 slots the townblock is in goodshape.

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I only see an issue if 3 or less of the townblock is town.

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If I were a betting person my guess would be 4 out of 5 are town.

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I see no resistance to me being in the townblock.

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Gamma, is there an issue with me being in the townblock that I'm not seeing?

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Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

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The reason I keep on bringing up the townblock is that it is annoying to scum.

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Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

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What I don't like about Bugspray is he doesn't have much to say about his wagon. I feel like there is more merit to it than he is acknowledging. I'd like him to be more vocal so we can read him.

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@NoPower

Requoting this incase you missed it. Im curious who you think it is as well.

If I were a betting person my guess would be 4 out of 5 are town.

I’m just curious, who in the townbloc do you think is most likely to be scum?

Town

Me
Gamma
Frog
Grendel

Galron

Scum

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I am leaning towards kicking Galron out(my opinion) because apparently he doesn't want to be in it.

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Have you played with him?

I have had some success reading Gamma.

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I could see replacing Galron with Amelie if the rest of the bloc is up to it.

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I think he is not enthusiastic about being in it, therefore may not help our cause.

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He is also the least frequent poster.

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This is going to be a long game if we have to do all 19, 035 frames.

NPOM is making sense. That should probably ping me, but it seems okay.

I don't quite understand where this is coming from.

This is the first npom game we've had where I haven't wanted to meet him by this point.

Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: Trendl

What would you do for a Klondike bar?

I personally don't see much of a town Bloc.

These posts are a liittle worrisome to me.

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It was not done in malice so maybe you could chill and say something about the game?

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Why the first and third?

They seem to lack a point.

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intent to put LM at E1:

1. Low quality and quantity posting
2. Not in the townblock
3. OMGUS on Luca

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Ok, well that's what the intent is for. We should give him another chance to claim, right?

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I thought it was E2 obviously.

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I'm not going to put someone at E1 without intent.

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Because I got hammered that way.

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Apparently there are 5 mafia and 8 town in the his game.

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Lunas lack of town hunting is pinging me big time.

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Also I don't like the site meta wifom.

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Apparently there are 5 mafia and 8 town in the his game.

Lunas lack of town hunting is pinging me big time.

Why do you think 5 scumreads is characteristic of a lack of townhunting? Why do you think a lack of townhunting is scummy?

Because town try and find their teammates.

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When he chastised us for supposedly wagoning him for lurking.

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Lunas lack of town hunting is pinging me big time.

I realize they aren't all Mafia. But why is it an issue that I don't have exactly the right number of people pinged as Mafia on Day 1?

It's an issue that your more interested in discrediting your wagon than finding town or scum.

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You basically just admitted you don't care about scumhunting.

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Your actions say otherwise.

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5 scumreads| It's scummy because town win games via cooperation whereas scum don't. Town need to figure out who to trust.

Site meta wifom| there was a post where he was berating us and asking to kill him because he thinks we were only voting him for lurking.

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I don't like that you won't stop talking about yourself.

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Scumhunting shouldn't be dependent on others.

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Intent to hammer.

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Just my opinion.

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Yep.

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I don't think I'm dodging your answers.

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Questions whatever

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Do you think he's been town hunting?

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My scumdar is ringing hard. It's taking everything I have not to vote.

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That's a pretty liberal interpretation.

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Do you just want him to hold an I'm scum sign for you?

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I'll keep it under consideration.

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I'm not opossed to AGB but I'm happier with bug.

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I have a slight town read on ower because he's behaving differently than the game I played with him when he was scum.

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Sometimes you just need to take a step back.

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Not right now. Maybe later depending.

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To you, what is the probability that the townblock is 100% town?

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VOTE: Trendall

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That's a fair point but there's a lot more towny players than him.

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Lunar I mean

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794 not a townie post.

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794 not a townie post.

795 is not a townie post.

Says the person asking people to stop being aggressive.

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Yes on Luca to townblock.

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VOTE: bugspray

I'm not entirely confident on this but I'm going with the consensus

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E1

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We're just discussing if the fake claim is viable or not. I'm leaning no, because he hasn't been very active and I feel with a lame role like backup neighbor he'd be more active.

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Yep, that's what we're discussing.

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We're just discussing if the fake claim is viable or not. I'm leaning no, because he hasn't been very active and I feel with a lame role like backup neighbor he'd be more active.

who are you talking about? my pronouns are they/them

I'm sorry, I don't check a players pronoun every time I make a post. You seem more concerned about your pronouns than finding scum though.

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Intention to hammer.

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VOTE: ORAM

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VOTE: lunar marian

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Ower next

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Scum probably has some power so they probably figured town has some power and were worried about getting tracked/watched to Frog.

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I love personality tests and all this sort of thing, I just think the way that you in particular are trying to apply them to this game is bad.

Hmm, I hate personality tests, but I think the way he is applying it is good.

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Town shouldn't require pressure to get content.

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I knew it!

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You get 2 recruits a night?

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I knew I was town.

Bug said you two were added at the same time, implying more than one addition per night.

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More than one recruit per night would be pretty unusual no?

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Ok.

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If bugs is in a hood I think he should get a little more priority to be sorted.

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VOTE: Trendall

Lunar seems to be more townie.

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@Frog so who do you think is scum?

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@mom - why would you vote someone who you thought was town?

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@mom - why would you vote someone who you thought was town?

I'm a lonely old woman

The question you should be asking is why everyone seemed to have missed that

Can you quote where you said I was town and where you voted me?

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Sorry, I'm not following a wagon that Trendall initiates.

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I'm willing to speculate that Trendell is scum more than anyone in the townblock being mafia.

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That sounds like decent logic.

VOTE: Momrangal

I still think Trendell is scum. Also I don't like Mom's willingness to vote in the townblock.

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probably Trendall and bugs are good targets.

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Where was Bugs guiltied?

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All the roles are created during the game creation process approved by the game reviewers and assigned randomly as far as I know.

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Neighbors aren't randomly added, they start out as neighbors or are recruited later by a neighborizer.

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Generally when the primary dies the backup is activated.