Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

I claim ascetic coward.

[Titus]

I claim ascetic coward.

what's coward? i can't find it on the wiki.

It's not on the wiki.

I can run away from fights.

[Titus]

VOTE: Perfume

I don't speak emoji.

[Titus]

My favorite color is voting me. How awkward.

[Titus]

visibly scumhunting

You think?

-Inf

Red is both visibly scumhunting

?

Town

[Titus]

i guess visibly scumhunting is being rather generous, but he does seem to be playing even with the limited communication, and i'm in no hurry to see it stop.

Town

[Titus]

VOTE: chara you could've waited a few more posts and your take would've been fine!

Seriously though, that feels a bit pockety.

-Inf

*sighs*

[Titus]

Really?

[Titus]

@Titus wtf exactly is an “aesthetic coward”?

ascetic coward. coward lets her run away from battles, apparently.

Yeah and ascetic means I can only be targeted by killing actions.

[Titus]

Not liking bob perfume and vax but that list contains at most 1 scum due to voting theory.

[Titus]

why’d you decide to open by claiming?

Negative utility always claims post 1.

Red is null.

[Titus]

i dont see how the coward part is negative utility

why didn't you just claim ascetic?

Later on, people can be killed in battles. I can't be killed this way unless someone has a way around that.

[Titus]

Not liking bob perfume and vax but that list contains at most 1 scum due to

voting theory.

go on

Perfume and Vax are not likely scum together because two scum piling on me is highly unlikely as I don't think I pose that much of a threat. Seems awkward.

Vax and Bob are unlikely scum together because they both used the same tactic to create two different wagons. This type of approach draws attention to them both and makes it twice as likely to get caught.

Bob and perfume are unlikely scum together because Bob's vote undermines Perfume's "serious" push by creating an alternative.

Basically, they aren't acting in concert.

[/end professor]

[Titus]

Not liking bob perfume and vax but that list contains at most 1 scum due to

voting theory.

go on

I get the sense just ignoring Titus will be best for the game regardless of their alignment

Why? Do you think my reads are bad? Why the heavy handed discredit?

[Titus]

Is there any way to not lose my post when someone else posts while I'm posting on this site?

Usually, they don't get lost?

[Titus]

Do you think my reads are bad?

I think they're indistinguishable from throwing darts at a board at the moment because you've offered up reasoning that doesn't seem relevant AND you're publicly explaining them all which combines for a nasty distraction in my opinion

Wait, you're problem is that I am explaining my reads so I should be discredited? But I'm probably town and you have no interest in working with me because of my explanations?

#confused

[Titus]

Mistyx is likely town.

I like Bob more, even if he's annoying me.

[Titus]

i dont see how the coward part is negative utility

why didn't you just claim ascetic?

Later on, people can be killed in battles. I can't be killed this way unless someone has a way around that.

i thought the coward part was your choice?

Yes but why would I fight town or risk giving scum an evolution.

The only time I should willingly fight Pv P is if I thought I could beat scum. My toon is too weak to do that most likely.

[Titus]

Or if I deliberately died to a competent mod-confirmed town.

[Titus]

Mod can we get prods?

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

Got what I wanted.

What was it that you wanted, exactly? ( ｰ̀εｰ́ )

[Titus]

Why were my short sentences a problem but Perfume posting nothing but hard to decipher anime not?

Pedit: You can guess but I won't confirm just in case there's a hidden scum mechanic.

[Titus]

i dont see how the coward part is negative utility

why didn't you just claim ascetic?

Later on, people can be killed in battles. I can't be killed this way unless someone has a way around that.

why would you out this? It's a weaker bulletproof in a sense
-Protocol

One of the first thing any town does is Count the Bodies. It's a core MO of mine that rarely comes up. In lylo planning strategies, we calculate how many people die, how fast and how much. If we need certain slots to die at certain times for PoE eliminations, it factors in.

[Titus]

Red, chara, jj, mistyx are fine

Titus claimed negative utility and I haven't figured out if I trust that yet

catboi rvs is now serious

Why are you suspicious of my claim?

Why is catboi now a serious push?

Why are Red and jj town?

[Titus]

Y'all can T v T. Meanwhile Perfume has been dodging this thread since we got out of RVS.

[Titus]

VOTE: Raya

[Titus]

VOTE: A and M

Finally a vote that's not trash.

[Titus]

Perfume is a thing

[Titus]

Oh.

[Titus]

Just consider me on the largest wagon. I will check in periodically but I have work.

[Titus]

Intent to hammer bc deadline

[Titus]

Agreed. If I don't see a claim by the time I get lunch, I am hammering.

[Titus]

I really can't afford to wait much longer.

[Titus]

I

may

be on at deadline but that I am not dependable.

[Titus]

i'm not caught up, i just know Vax is run up. cliffnotes?

U got run up too

What's the VC at?

[Titus]

And chara?

[Titus]

Vax give me some reads before you're limmed, that would probably help the most

+1

[Titus]

VOTE: Vax

[Titus]

VOTE: The Twins

[Titus]

VOTE: The Twins

Not that I disagree with this, but why? Does the red flip change your gamestate evaluation at all?

Why weren't the twins the cfd attempt?

[Titus]

Hahaha true that wagon did stall. But so did a Chara one and I have them as basically locktown, to play devils advocate

Chara has always been pretty obvtown.

Chara was the CFD attempt that bypassed the twins.

[Titus]

I agree Infinity isn't likely scum and Vax was likely hard bussed by some and that scum, at some point could have agreed there was no saving him.

I think Booneytunes is a great game to reference for meta VCA if there can be such a thing as Vax's reaction was similar here.

[Titus]

I kinda want to FoS jjh if history repeats itself.

In the Booney large theme that just finished, Vaxkiller was voting a partner who was also on his wagon. This was even with another partner. There was also a separate scum on his wagon early.

So jjh/catboi (not both) and/or one of Raya/The Twins (not both).

Having one scum off entirely is not out of the question.

Based on votes alone, I would speculate jjh and the twins with catboi in a close second.

[Titus]

catboi jjh twins town off of spew

can cite posts if necessary

Please do.

[Titus]

I kinda want to FoS jjh if history repeats itself.

In the Booney large theme that just finished, Vaxkiller was voting a partner who was also on his wagon. This was even with another partner. There was also a separate scum on his wagon early.

So jjh/catboi (not both) and/or one of Raya/The Twins (not both).

Having one scum off entirely is not out of the question.

Based on votes alone, I would speculate jjh and the twins with catboi in a close second.

I think most of these suspects you’re listing are town if not all
Also I think the NK kinda incriminates you
-Protocol

Most of the suspects may be town. I'm creating a pool of possibilities based on votes in that post.

Do you agree that jjh and catboi are not scum together? Same for Raya and the twins?

[Titus]

VOTE: chara
Infinity doesn't have much faith in the Vax redflip and I feel like his sense on that sort of thing is good
-Protocol

What's the point in switching to Chara when there's 3 minutes left?

this does seem like a really weird thing to do that close to deadline. i'd assume Gamma knew at this point about plurality, too.

I totally forgot about plurality, so it's possible Gamma did too.

[Titus]

some things change, Nancy hydraslipping every game stays the same. :>

My working theory is that NK was to possibly frame you but that would mean we have a smart scumteam.

I am thinking we have a smart scumteam that's repeating Vax's same moves from Booneytunes (the finished large, not the ongoing one).

[Titus]

VOTE COUNT 2 . 16

• Smoke and Mirrors
  ---- 2 ( Catboi, Twins Akari and Mara )
  
  Twins Akari and Mara
  - 1 ( Titus )
  
  Chara
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Wellermanbob
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Mistyx
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Titus
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Catboi
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Raya36
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Red
  ------------------ 0 ( No One )
  
  jjh927
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Infinity Zero
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ----------- 8 ( Mistyx, Chara, Wellermanbob, Smoke and Mirrors, Red, Jjh927, Infinity Zero, Raya36 )

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-17 20:01:00)

Cool, insane people are votung us. Insane meaning specifically people with crazy reads. I’m looking forward to the explanation for this read.

OH HELL NO.

VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors
-Gamma Emerald. I take personal issue with this post, so I’m tagging with my username vs. my flavor tag.

VOTE: S and M

Totally missed that post.

[Titus]

what reads of hers are bad?

i am wondering why you're so confident i'm town, as wel
pedit: to Nancy.

Because nothing you’ve said has pinged me and I have played with scum!you but not as Nancy.

*i townread Chara*
*you say my reads are bad*
*you comment that you townread chara*

So come again?

[Titus]

some things change, Nancy hydraslipping every game stays the same. :>

My working theory is that NK was to possibly frame you but that would mean we have a smart scumteam.

I am thinking we have a smart scumteam that's repeating Vax's same moves from Booneytunes (the finished large, not the ongoing one).

I don’t understand how you’re scumreading either Raya or jjh after that flip?

In Booneytunes, Bell was early on scum!Vax who acted much the same way. The scumteam massively went after each other day 1. I don't have any individual as scum yet, but universes that shouldn't exist as scum together.

Booneytunes has one major drawback as a direct comparison. That was a large.

[Titus]

@Chara, Nancy's post was repulsive.

Re: jjh That's possible and I think that might be what happened to Bell in the Booneytunes game.

[Titus]

Someone with a functioning beain please explain to me how me and Vax are buddies.

This type of toxicity is why I am voting Nancy.

[Titus]

Jjh is completely scum totally misrepping my day 1.

I spent all of day one vetoing bad executions. We got a good one, magine that.

[Titus]

Titus and Infinity are still my entire scumpile


But yeah I don't think Titus made any attempt to influence day 1 at all with actual reads and I don't think it's coincidence that she's now coming out with unusual reads after a scum lynch, which appear to be independent of that context, where there are people suspicious of her

JJH is trying to eliminate two loud town posters here in addition to shade my work and reads.

[Titus]

Jjh is completely scum totally misrepping my day 1.

I spent all of day one vetoing bad executions. We got a good one, magine that.

That your taking credit for this is insane

Give examples. As I understand it you mostly sheeped where you felt like it; I didn't see you dismantling any wagons

Chara wagon

[Titus]

You are attacking people’s intelligence because they are calling you scum Nancy. If someone did that to you you’d be on them like butter on toast. Until you can progress past that and acknowledge your wrongdoing there’s no reconciliation possible here imo.
-Gamma

Yes, it’s not very nice because I’m pissed, so maybe I deserve it but no way in hell does that ever make me scum and you of all people should know that. So, I guess you’ve got me back for CoD now. I hope this ends it.

VOTE: Titus
While I’m not entirely satisfied with this response, it’s enough to show you’re cognizant of my issue, so now it can be talked over post-game.
I feel like your Vax/Titus/Mistyx theory actually holds a good amount of weight rn, with how out of place it was when Mistyx townbinned Titus.
-Protocol

Mistxy might be scum, but jjh is guaranteed to be scum.

[Titus]

I don't get why any sane person would be scumreading me based on circumstances in another game that I wasn't in

VOTE: jjh

That's what scum says when caight by vca.

[Titus]

What does your VCA say about the fact it's plurality

Nothing. It doesn't need to.

[Titus]

If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.

[Titus]

Jjh is completely scum totally misrepping my day 1.

I spent all of day one vetoing bad executions. We got a good one, magine that.

That your taking credit for this is insane

Give examples. As I understand it you mostly sheeped where you felt like it; I didn't see you dismantling any wagons

Chara wagon

you sighed at a vote on me, but that's all i could find in your ISO. did you comment on the wagon on me that apparently happened that i should... probably go read?

I said you were town from go.

[Titus]

If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.

That's you jjh.

[Titus]

I really hope Mistyx is town because Nancy's being toxic.

Being scum against her would be a cakewalk.

[Titus]

*shrug*

Same thing just happened in Open 802. Caught scum, people said I was wrong. Said scum won.

It's probably just jjh and the twins.

After I flip town, jjh will go after gamma.
The twins will lurk.

[Titus]

I really hope Mistyx is town because Nancy's being toxic.

Being scum against her would be a cakewalk.

Now, you’re actually being mean but dw I’m not changing my vote on you.

So you think that's mean but saying I'm brainless is fair play?

[Titus]

If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.

This just doesn’t sound right
This is 100% a position scum can exploit to craft a narrative
And rn Titus seems like the scum doing just that
-Protocol

VCA is all about crafting a narrative.

#facepalm

[Titus]

Neat ate, you got anything else?

Nope. You don't have any content to case.

[Titus]

Science is about isolating the only possible narrative. If VCA doesn't do that it's not science

Still more whining.

Science collects data and through that data finds the answers.

[Titus]

I don't get why any sane person would be scumreading me based on circumstances in another game that I wasn't in

To spell it out, it reads like scum clutching at whatever reason they can find to scumread me for voteparking scum for the whole of day 1

Titus isn’t making the votes for the reasons she usually does as town. If she were, based off of VCA, town!her would be obvtowning you, Raya and probably me for what she just said about Misty.

Absolutely agree. I think this justification is being made from a place of necessity.

Thing is, there's little to gain from having any more argument because this game is plurality and will end at deadline

In last year’s TM, town!Titus wrongly suspected me for townread the slot that she correctly identified as scum based on VCA, so based off of VCA - something town!Titus swears by, her scumreads are gross and she damn well knew I wasn’t disagreeing with her Chara read when she voted me. She knows as long as I’m alive I’m going to hard veto any wagon on you or Raya, that’s why she’s pushing me so hard.

My vote's not even on you anymore.

I swear by my VCA that jjh is scum btw

[Titus]

I really hope Mistyx is town because Nancy's being toxic.

Being scum against her would be a cakewalk.

Now, you’re actually being mean but dw I’m not changing my vote on you.

So you think that's mean but saying I'm brainless is fair play?

I said the scumreads on me don’t make sense and you voting me for that was hella gross. I think Gamma actually misread me but no way in hell you did,

No. I voted you for toxicity.

[Titus]

Will you stop doing VCA if you're wrong or does this vow mean nothing?

I can't agree to future games.

[Titus]

It's a site rule.

[Titus]

If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.

This just doesn’t sound right
This is 100% a position scum can exploit to craft a narrative
And rn Titus seems like the scum doing just that
-Protocol

VCA is all about crafting a narrative.

#facepalm

There’s plenty going into how someone reacts. They can also deliberately react in a certain way to throw people off if they try to do what you’re doing. Your VCA doesn’t have this much lack of nuance. This feels nothing like you in Cinder Blocks.

*shrug*

I hadn't solved most of the game prior to my VCA probably but I don't recall that game.

P.S. I don't move on from toxicity until either one of us flips or I get an apology. I don't put up with that shit. I play to win though.

[Titus]

Tbf pushes on me past day 1 don't generally need to be blocked by any particular individual any more

Not saying you do but Titus needs me dead because of my reads.

Smh.

[Titus]

If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.

This just doesn’t sound right
This is 100% a position scum can exploit to craft a narrative
And rn Titus seems like the scum doing just that
-Protocol

VCA is all about crafting a narrative.

#facepalm

There’s plenty going into how someone reacts. They can also deliberately react in a certain way to throw people off if they try to do what you’re doing. Your VCA doesn’t have this much lack of nuance. This feels nothing like you in Cinder Blocks.

*shrug*

I hadn't solved most of the game prior to my VCA probably but I don't recall that game.

P.S. I don't move on from toxicity until either one of us flips or I get an apology. I don't put up with that shit. I play to win though.

A) I already did aplogize and B) it’s really scummy of you to continue to push this especially after that nasty post you made.

Where did you apologize? I didn't see it.

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure Titus needed unwnd dead, for example

I could say that about you.

This is a baseless statement.

[Titus]

Right now there are multiple people that are posing a threat to Titus collaboratively which is itself the real threat

This is jjh just gloating here because he knows most of the people voting with him are town and he knows I'll refuse to say they're scummy because they aren't. Blanket stay the course posting.

[Titus]

Mistyx
Red
Jjh927
Twins Akari and Mara (momrangal + akarin)

That's the only theoretical scumlist

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure jjh needed unwnd dead.

[Titus]

the only townread on me i really like is bob's. it's so earnest and multi-faceted.

Nancy's is in-character but nothing particularly readable, i can't even comment on it's relevance to my scumrange when i don't know her alt, and i'm not asking her to out it.
(also, Nancy, i'd appreciate if you used they/them or it/its for me. <3)

Okay sorry about that. I was concerned that “it/its” sounded disrespectful but if you’re okay with they/them I’ll use that.

Anyway, I sincerely did not mean to insult anyone. I was just legit shocked as to why I was even getting votes after I made it clear I wasn’t tr Vax. I actually thought I might even been the NK but if Titus is scum, it makes sense why I wasn’t.

Ok. I forgive you.

[Titus]

While it's been fun fighting a 4 v 1, I'm going off to bed.

[Titus]

Ugh, I don't want to read up.

Red claimed a guilty on Chara?

Red had his bullshit push on me.

Strongly in favor of a Red lim by play.

I know strategically never eliminate the guilter before the guilty though.

While I am like 99.9% sure jjh is scum, it should be asked though...any chance of S v S?

[Titus]

CoD?

[Titus]

I don't recall that game.

[Titus]

We are posting a lot going in circles.

[Titus]

Wake me up when this day ends.

[Titus]

Oh boy I do love the prospect of going round in circles for the next 3 irl days

First thing you've said that I agree with.

[Titus]

Personal attacks are not ok, regardless of alignment. I just want to say that.

Scum is still jjh.

[Titus]

Personal attacks are not ok, regardless of alignment. I just want to say that.

Scum is still jjh.

i think vax's reaction to being wagoned over jjh is hardclearing for jjh

Look at Vax's reaction in Booneytunes and tell me that again.

@Nancy, I'm not scum. I am sorry you felt attacked.

[Titus]

I probably should have used hurt tags rather than an outright vote on Nancy.

[Titus]

Personal attacks are not ok, regardless of alignment. I just want to say that.

Scum is still jjh.

i think vax's reaction to being wagoned over jjh is hardclearing for jjh

Look at Vax's reaction in Booneytunes and tell me that again.

@Nancy, I'm not scum. I am sorry you felt attacked.

i think it's evidence towards jjh being town. but it's not hardclearing, Vax seemed annoyed at being run up but there was no particular ire towards jjh that i thought couldn't have been faked.
better evidence for jjh town would be voteparking Vax all day and not doing anything to find an alternative.

Vax never had any ire towards Bell in Booneytunes either.

[Titus]

My vote is not needed to lim Chara or Red, so I am voting jjh.

[Titus]

What does voting JJ do

Keeps my vote on scum fmpov.

My vote is utterly worthless, so I might as well vote jj.

[Titus]

What does voting JJ do

Keeps my vote on scum fmpov.

My vote is utterly worthless, so I might as well vote jj.

You don’t believe the guilty?
-Protocol

It's plurality. Chara's already getting eliminated. So why not vote jj? My vote is worthless. This way I at least make a point.

[Titus]

i dont think titus being offwagon is particularly indicative of anything

tomorrow i do need to check if she did vote chara or not at any point, if she did then switched to jjh after arguing with him it might be >rand town

I never voted Chara

[Titus]

VOTE: jjh

[Titus]

Mod: Are scum multitasking?

[Titus]

Calling it now jjh wins it for his team

[Titus]

If I had to reassess it would be catboi.

Everyone else I hard townread.

[Titus]

I've felt pretty town on both of them. Why do you think they're scum?

Because of the vote patterns. I checked it several times.

[Titus]

Azuril,

Start of battle: Any damage I do is doubled.
Ability: Can choose not to fight any battle.
I can also commute each night. I said ascetic to try and bait an nk but that's never happening.

[Titus]

Bounce is the ability name listed for both the refusal to fight and the commute. They're under the same heading.

No justification is in the PM.

[Titus]

The mod was clear I could pick to do either or both though. Two abilities, one heading.

[Titus]

I guess that's possible considering it would make the other pokemon's attack miss and bounce hits on the second turn so nothing happens in a 1 round combat

I decide before attacks are rolled.

[Titus]

Why did you claim activated neg util as though it was just neg util though

Because if I obvtowned, scum would shoot me. Then I would laugh and reveal the gig

[Titus]

Claiming ascetic makes you less likely to be shot

Yes but I didn't want invests to fail. I figured I would obvtown since I had been lately.

[Titus]

Claiming ascetic makes you less likely to be shot

Yes but I didn't want invests to fail. I figured I would obvtown since I had been lately.

How? You made a really scummy vote on me and then you sr the slot who had a hard guilty on Chara? Like seriously what do you think remotely makes you obvtown here?

I don't. My plan when claiming ascetic was that I would obvtown. I'm not saying I was.

[Titus]

@Titus
Did you use any abilities last night and if so on who?

You're not reading.

[Titus]

I get it. Scum obvtowned. We've been drawing this out. It's almost certainly jjh but if not catboi.

[Titus]

I get it. Scum obvtowned. We've been drawing this out. It's almost certainly jjh but if not catboi.

[Titus]

@Titus
Did you use any abilities last night and if so on who?

You're not reading.

I meant did you use any abilities. You can't use yours on anyone

I commuted.

[Titus]

@Titus
Did you use any abilities last night and if so on who?

You're not reading.

I meant did you use any abilities. You can't use yours on anyone

I commuted.

Do you know if you would still have been notified of being targeted for a battle?

I presume I would be untargetable unless targeting me is a day action.

[Titus]

VLA this weekend

[Titus]

I actually did a VCA that game.

This game, I don't care to flesh out my work again. I said Vax would only react that way if scum was bussing him. Thus jjh.

I know I am getting miselimmed anyway. Why spend time on my weekend VLA doing that?

[Titus]

The main reason I'm back to thinking it's very likely to be Titus is because I think Titus' current play is that of defeated scum who don't want to draw this game out for ages. Town Titus should probably have jumped on the plan involving catboi

It's defeated town. Scum Titus puts on a show. I don't see any path to getting you eliminated, so why prolong a town loss?

[Titus]

@Raya, Titus was an actual Roman emperor. That might be why you thought he. Tidus is also a character from final fantasy 10. Also male. I get misgendered a lot and I let it roll off of me. My brother, on the other hand, be sure to get his gender right. He's trans, so being misgendered is hurtful to him. His name is Mathblade.

Long story short, don't worry about it.

[Titus]

Also Raya, Titus' battle refusal is A MOVE
it is not a refusal of battle, it is effectively fleeing before anything is rolled

I see, so it's passive

AAAAAAAAAAAH

No

Am I horribly misunderstanding?

It's a choice I make before dice are rolled.

[Titus]

Here is the order of events

Night action success - challenges Titus to a battle
Battle starts in the dawn following the night
Moves get submitted
If Titus submits the move 'Bounce', then the battle ends without any attacks occuring
Titus does not have to use the move 'Bounce', but it is an option

This

[Titus]

Wait, how am I clear?

[Titus]

I'm going to have to effort again if I am wrong, aren't I?

[Titus]

Thanks for the modding