Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

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Greetings

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All right that's enough for today I'm gonna go to bed

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I'm here again

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Concerningly little occurring rn for a short deadline game

VOTE: Vaxkiller

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So Titus, you can run away from a fight before the fight actually begins? It seems like a lot of effort to go find something to battle and then run away. That's two things and one of them is running

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I believe my role PM is the most efficient in the game

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Don't really like that vote from Red at all. (눈_눈)

Neither did Ali based on the votecount

I think the reaction from Bob is worse

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jjh, any other reads?

-Inf

That implies those were reads which they weren't; I'm pretty null on both Red and Bob

Cat, Misty, Infinity all town
Leaning town on Titus and Chara
Nobody is particularly standing out as being more likely than average to flip scum at the moment

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I think you actually just summoned me

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I just suddenly thought to myself "shit I didn't check the game yesterday I should probably apologise"

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Not a strong read, but he pointed out the pace and lack of content early but hasn't done much to address it. That's slightly suspect but I probably wouldn't vote him today.

I'm not very proactive in that respect any more.

I'll level with you though, being lazy is written all over my role PM

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Oh boy we have 9 hours okay
I'm gonna get back to work but I'll be on later.

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Not a strong read, but he pointed out the pace and lack of content early but hasn't done much to address it. That's slightly suspect but I probably wouldn't vote him today.

I'm not very proactive in that respect any more.

I'll level with you though, being lazy is written all over my role PM

Gratuitous softclaim

I have half a mind to fullclaim because I confirmed my role PM to Ali via meme

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Also, having this on my other monitor is bad for my productivity

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Can I guess the pokeman?

Give me a few minutes and then I'll allow it

[jjh927]

There can be no finer flavourclaim in this game

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Is role and alignment even linked? This smells like opportunism

Setup spec is a thing but basically no

I'm talking about this because it's fun

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Slowpoke!

no u

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Am I right? I'm not actually sure.

No, you are wrong

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kinda dislike jjh's reentrance

goes "oops i haven't been productive at all" and then starts fluffposting exclusively

This game isn't getting very much of my brainpower till I clock off

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It's hard to get into the mindset of slakoth when I'm working

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My name is Slakoth. I'm as old as Gen 3. My turf is in the northeast section of Petalburg Woods, where all the bug catchers are, and I am not married. I do not work, and I spend all of my time at home. I don't smoke or drink. I'm in bed for most of the day, and make sure I get 20 hours of sleep, no matter what. After eating 3 leaves before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a working adult, I wake up with fatigue and stress in the morning, but I then continue to sleep until the evening. I was told they hope to see me again at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

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kinda dislike jjh's reentrance

goes "oops i haven't been productive at all" and then starts fluffposting exclusively

This game isn't getting very much of my brainpower till I clock off

and when will that be

we're running on a bit of a tight schedule here

30 mins

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I have some time and I shall take it

I'm in a place with a good lot of townreads, but too many uncertain reads that I should spend a bit of time parsing
Also I want to lie down for a bit

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So basically please don't expect me to suddenly leap into this but my full attention is here

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Okay I'll level with you guys I took a nap and the alarn didn't snooze

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I believe all the scum are in Vax, Infinity, Titus
Red if I am wrong on one or two of those depending on the number of scum

I townread everyone else with reasonable confidence

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I'm more confident on Vax and Infinity but I'm generally not that confident on my ability to read Titus which has itself fed back into the read

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I think if lickitung has an effective roleblock it'd be through paralysis

I don't think we got a very full claim

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30 minutes

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Are the battles at the end of the day public?

You might see something interesting from me if they are

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20 minutes

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Oh thanks for pointing that out

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I've not paid as much attention to mechanics for this game as I often might

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There's also no point in that vote

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It time

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VOTE: Titus

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Titus and Infinity are still my entire scumpile


But yeah I don't think Titus made any attempt to influence day 1 at all with actual reads and I don't think it's coincidence that she's now coming out with unusual reads after a scum lynch, which appear to be independent of that context, where there are people suspicious of her

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Oh, btw, abilities do not necessarily reflect their in-game effect accurately. I can say that with absolute certainty and can claim if you want with probably minimal game impact

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Jjh is completely scum totally misrepping my day 1.

I spent all of day one vetoing bad executions. We got a good one, magine that.

That your taking credit for this is insane

Give examples. As I understand it you mostly sheeped where you felt like it; I didn't see you dismantling any wagons

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Titus and Infinity are still my entire scumpile


But yeah I don't think Titus made any attempt to influence day 1 at all with actual reads and I don't think it's coincidence that she's now coming out with unusual reads after a scum lynch, which appear to be independent of that context, where there are people suspicious of her

JJH is trying to eliminate two loud town posters here in addition to shade my work and reads.

Nope, trying to get scum

As clarification, voting scum off day 1 with little explanation is actually part of my new playstyle

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I'm all about low effort, high efficiency, high accuracy these days

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Titus, your read on me has really escalated lately

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I don't get why any sane person would be scumreading me based on circumstances in another game that I wasn't in

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To spell it out, it reads like scum clutching at whatever reason they can find to scumread me for voteparking scum for the whole of day 1

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What does your VCA say about the fact it's plurality

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Doesn't it?

Does that not add vital context to votes such as Infinity's and yours at EOD?

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Do you not think that your vote maybe points to the fact you didn't realise it was plurality and only voted after infinity unvoted, making it not a hammer?

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I don't get why any sane person would be scumreading me based on circumstances in another game that I wasn't in

To spell it out, it reads like scum clutching at whatever reason they can find to scumread me for voteparking scum for the whole of day 1

Titus isn’t making the votes for the reasons she usually does as town. If she were, based off of VCA, town!her would be obvtowning you, Raya and probably me for what she just said about Misty.

Absolutely agree. I think this justification is being made from a place of necessity.

Thing is, there's little to gain from having any more argument because this game is plurality and will end at deadline

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Neat ate, you got anything else?

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Science is about isolating the only possible narrative. If VCA doesn't do that it's not science

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Will you stop doing VCA if you're wrong or does this vow mean nothing?

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Hmm okay

Tbh it's meaningless anyway because you're scum here lmao

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Tbf pushes on me past day 1 don't generally need to be blocked by any particular individual any more

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I can't speak for the accuracy of your reads rn but that isn't a view you should take until you are dead

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I'm pretty sure Titus needed unwnd dead, for example

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Right now there are multiple people that are posing a threat to Titus collaboratively which is itself the real threat

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I'm pretty sure Titus needed unwnd dead, for example

I could say that about you.

This is a baseless statement.

Say it about me then

Titus? The thing with me when it comes to Titus is that she made a snap response to a couple of votes and instantly was putting out reads on like 3 players in her #116. That's not a lot of time to start picking out about 3 players. I'm not sure why she'd feel so pressured so early and where all of a sudden she had 3 reads to spat out like that. Since then, she's mostly retained an outside presence (though did A&M, which I agreed with). Bob I was feeling pretty good about early but now it seems like he stopped caring. Loved that fire let under his ass now it's not there lol

From what I can understand, a lot of people think (JJH, A+M, Vax, Misty) are scummy or contain scum.

so what are your individual reads on this group

Vax was a bit weird in my catchup. I'm not ready to call it scum though, just a bit of pings. Why did he call Titus prob town just for like, two posts worth of content. The feeling I got initially from Vax purely from a tonal level is that there a was strange amount of showiness? Showiness in the sense that, they say things like 'Heh, got what I wanted' but it's like cmon you didn't really do anything. It all begs the question what exactly saying these things really mean to Vax. He had another uh, weird vote where he showed up and voted A+M out of the blue in #422.

A+M pinged me a bit more, where I noted her energy (!!!) in her posts, which turned into a scathing amount of words towards people. Lot of this is bad, doesn't like this, writhing negativity. If the danger presents to yourself so obvious, then why are you not doing something? That's something I told myself and then she makes connections like #388 with Red/Catboi for ??? reasons. Just seemed like fake confidence to me. I wonder where she's at and if those inferences were true why she isn't pushing them.

JJH I have literally no read on. He's null. He's said nothing of importance.

Activity isn't my main tell, it's just a way for me to prioritize my reads and look at a certain view of the game. Right now I'm not really sold on just limming the lurkers, because I don't really feel like the team is just sitting on their ass and being lazy. If we were crunching numbers, I'd assume like..maybe one in the lurkers? My vote on Misty doesn't reflect that I think her activity is scummy, it's that I want her to start focusing and putting more effort into the game.

From what I can understand, a lot of people think (JJH, A+M, Vax, Misty) are scummy or contain scum. There is varying degrees of scum but all of them have been in a position to be wagoned. I personally am skeptical towards this and while nobody has sat here and made a herosolve (thank god), I have to ask myself why. Or even, why people are content with this? D1 is always an awkward place but not so much where people just go 'jee the game is inactive let's just lim the lesser actives' as if scum isn't just paying attention or something? ....In this PList? This is all a bit vague but the point I'm trying to make is that I'm not really feeling like scum are too worried about how this day goes down. Even if Jjh ended up being scum, I don't think it really changes anything. There was a split moment further back where I thought a few people were willing to take more risks and had more compelling votes, but this Jjh wagon is extremely boring.

Well, then who are you pointing at, exactly?

I don't think it happens even if I say it. This is not a confidence thing, it's just that I know it would be a fucking headache. Consider everything that I've spouted out to really get others to think and react to. If we're going in the 4 listed I would go Misty > Vax > A+M > JJH in that order.

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I don't know what else there is to say but plurality deadlines mean days upon days of this

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I guess I can try to come up with more memes

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We cannot rush this

The game is plurality that doesn't have hammer

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Flips are based on plurality. This means the day will not end when someone reaches a majority. Whoever has the most votes at the end of teh day dies.

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Please vote who you think is scum independent of whether you would like to hammer them or not.

We have 3 days and 16 hours and cannot hammer

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Oh boy I do love the prospect of going round in circles for the next 3 irl days

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Misty is town

She is not obvious scum

For those of you who feel she is obvious scum, if she was both obvious scum and actually aligned with the scum, I would have reached that conclusion long before you in a similar manner to how I voteparked Vax for most of day 1, OR, in the referenced CoD with the referenced D&D

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I think right now I'll take Chara and Titus.

I don't think you can just give the things Titus has said a pass on the whole misguided town thing. It doesn't work. The things she has been saying are motivated by alignment

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Misty is town

She is not obvious scum

For those of you who feel she is obvious scum, if she was both obvious scum and actually aligned with the scum, I would have reached that conclusion long before you in a similar manner to how I voteparked Vax for most of day 1, OR, in the referenced CoD with the referenced D&D

this is such a great post, in that i hate that jjh was able to make it but i also can't figure out a way to disagree with it

jjh didn’t have perfect reads in Post Apocalypse, so that doesn’t affect my opinion. In last year’s TM mini normal, paragon RC couldn’t tell what was beyond super obvious to Ari and me, that duckling was bleeding obvtown in that game.

It is very rare that I have perfect reads, however if you are going to call someone obvious scum and I am against voting them then it's probably not the case

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Sure but if they're not obvious scum then you need to talk hard details

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Misty doesn't have that bad a take on the game

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As a bonus, scum!Misty here would benefit a lot more from fitting in with the commonplace worldview

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It's on Titus, Misty
You're wrong on Titus

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Anyway, I think the whole Chara-Red thing is pretty cool and all, but also we're probably gonna hear more about the guilty by the end of the day phase

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Scum!Titus has a way more distant vibe than town!Titus now that I think about it

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I'm at that place right now. I've come round on Infinity and think they're probably town after all

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Okay, I will relent on the voteparking
VOTE: Chara

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I think you're reading too much into it

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It is a hard guilty and Red doesn't want to make the specifics known
That's okay

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I think it's a reaction to a lost scumgame

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I'm happy taking out Chara here because of the guilty but I am under absolutely no circumstances going to let Titus out of my sights here

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14 hours! Looks like it's gonna be a tight one at deadline

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I did not lose my battle

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My name is Slakoth. I'm as old as Gen 3. My turf is in the northeast section of Petalburg Woods, where all the bug catchers are, and I am not married. I do not work, and I spend all of my time at home. I don't smoke or drink. I'm in bed for most of the day, and make sure I get 20 hours of sleep, no matter what. After eating 3 leaves before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a working adult, I wake up with fatigue and stress in the morning, but I then continue to sleep until the evening. I was told they hope to see me again at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

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Gonna go to bed

Looking forward to seeing the flip when I wake up

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VOTE: Titus

Anyone for massclaim?

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I'm pretty confident I have gone this entire game without voting town

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I mean full massclaim though

I want to live vicariously through everyone else's exciting role PMs

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In my case, my ability, Truant, means that I cannot battle, learn moves, or evolve, and in contradiction to the mechanics post I do not know any moves

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Also, lie detecting roleclaims is one of my strongest quantifiable skills in mafia

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Naturally, I am particularly interested in the details of Titus' claim

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One mystery is why did Vax claim the roleblock attached to his scumbuddy rather than his actual role
More on this later

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Vax didn't need to fakeclaim at all

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I have a line of speculation that I will return to after more claims

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You aren't missing my flavour

I've been very up front about it

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There can be no finer flavourclaim in this game

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Titus, what's the ability called and what's the justification?

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I don't see how either of Azuril's main abilities would do that

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Wait yeah huge power is what would double your damage

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HMMMM

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Huge power doubles your attack

Bounce is obviously the commute move

but the second 'ability' does not line up with huge power at all

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You don't get two abilities

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You get one ability that might do more than one thing

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I guess that's possible considering it would make the other pokemon's attack miss and bounce hits on the second turn so nothing happens in a 1 round combat

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Yeah I was trying to logic it out

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Why did you claim activated neg util as though it was just neg util though

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Since gen 3?

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Don't get too caught up in the purpose of the mechanics. Ali designs games to be fun

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I mean maybe a little

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I got the laziest possible role PM

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I bet Ali was leaving mine till later in the design and was planning some fancy ass shit with the slakoth - vigoroth - slaking evolution chain and then couldn't think of it and gave up

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Claiming ascetic makes you less likely to be shot

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Yeah can we go back to how Titus' main contribution to day 1 was defending Chara

[jjh927]

You can always growl at me
I can't battle so I don't need attack

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This IS massclaim

Leaving details out is poor form

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Go growl at a scumread then

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That isn't neg util that is straight up a tool where you target your scumreads, get a PT with them, and if you decide they aren't scum after all you go for someone else with your reevaluated reads

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That is a solid gold scumhunting tool

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On another note, I don't necessarily think we need to get rid of Titus today any more

I've been having second thoughts and with this claim it might be mechanically best if Titus got growled at while commuting. Scum!Titus should not be able to perform the factional kill while commuting. If scum!Titus does not commute in order to make a kill, Catboi will either be able to confirm that a PT was created, or be dead, which would mean Titus would also be dead. If both roles have been presented accurately this would lock down scum!Titus while preserving town!Titus.

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This does raise the question of who is scum if not Titus, which I have yet to be able to answer and am not wholly convinced there is an answer at all, though I eagerly await Infinity Zero's claim

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On another note, I don't necessarily think we need to get rid of Titus today any more

I've been having second thoughts and with this claim it might be mechanically best if Titus got growled at while commuting. Scum!Titus should not be able to perform the factional kill while commuting. If scum!Titus does not commute in order to make a kill, Catboi will either be able to confirm that a PT was created, or be dead, which would mean Titus would also be dead. If both roles have been presented accurately this would lock down scum!Titus while preserving town!Titus.

But...if we're both town then we just die. That doesn't help anything.


Looking back at Chara's ISO I think there's a decent chance it is Titus, anyway.

No, if you're both town then Titus can commute and thus does not get growled and therefore would not die if you got killed

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You're the only one who can start a battle with their starting moveset

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If it's not Titus I think it might be twins? But I'm back to thinking it's just Titus after all

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I didnt target the first night but last night I targeted Titus and it failed. This means he either targeted me or commuted as he claimed to have.

I just find it really odd that I target him to battle and he just happens to have the only role where he can say no to a battle. He might know I targeted him and said that to cover up? Which would still not make full sense because he said he commuted. Not refused the battle.

Presumably the commute meant your action failed. If it succeedes there would be a battle topic, but Titus would use bounce and nothing would be rolled.

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The main reason I'm back to thinking it's Titus is because I think Titus' current play is that of defeated scum who don't want to draw this game out for ages. Town Titus should probably have jumped on the plan involving catboi

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The main reason I'm back to thinking it's very likely to be Titus is because I think Titus' current play is that of defeated scum who don't want to draw this game out for ages. Town Titus should probably have jumped on the plan involving catboi

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I think mafiascum crashed while I was submitting a post

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I feel like I lose some credibility there when you can see me correcting my level of certainty lmao

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Anyway, I am now considerably more confident that if it is not Titus, it is Twins. I floated Twins scum there on the basis that Twins professed a TR on Titus without giving any alternative. They explicitly stated they did not get why Titus was scumreading me. It reads like scum who knows Titus will flip town but does not want to do anything about the Titus lynch other than potentially gain some towncred out of not being on wagon.

Only when I state that they're probably the scum if it's not Titus do they actually vote me

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I'm okay with you guys voting me if you're willing to follow through on my mechanical plan

[jjh927]

Specifically, Catboi should growl at Titus who should commute
Vote twins off tomorrow if there is a kill and Catboi verifies that Titus commuted through the lack of PT

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otherwise I'm just gonna sit in the dead thread calling you all fools

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Catboi is capable of resolving Titus alone

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Also Raya, Titus' battle refusal is A MOVE
it is not a refusal of battle, it is effectively fleeing before anything is rolled

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Believing Titus' claim has never had anything to do with whether or not she is scum fwiw

But if you do believe it then optimal play is to have catboi growl at her while she commutes

Scenario 1: Scum!Titus commutes. No kill occurs.
Scenario 2: Scum!Titus does not commute. A kill on anyone other than Catboi occurs. Catboi now has a PT with Titus, verifying that Titus did not commute.
Scanerio 3. Scum!Titus does not commute. A kill on Catboi occurs. Titus dies as well.
Scenario 4. Town!Titus commutes. No kill occurs. In this scenario, scum are no-killing to pretend it was Titus!Scum. This does not help scum win, as you can continue to vote off people who aren't close to conftown by combination of role/play.
Scenario 5. Town!Titus commutes. Kill occurs. Titus is now clear.

There are no other scenarios given the assumptions that:
Catboi and Titus have both told the truth about their roles
Catboi and Titus both agree to do the things

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Yes but you should decide on Twins

[jjh927]

If you decide on someone who isn't Twins and you're wrong then I don't care if I am also wrong, I will still judge you harshly for it

[jjh927]

Mistyx - All other things aside, Misty is town based on pushes by Vax and Chara, but Misty has been town for other reasons for most of the game
Titus - Either the last scum or town that has been wrong about pretty much everything in the game
Wellermanbob - Vig claim probably makes town tbh. There are 3 scum; giving scum what is functionally an N4 vig in a game that has not appeared to have a lot of town power floating around would be questionable, so pending verification of the vig bob is town.
Catboi - That is a very town roleclaim which I believe fully. Catboi not realising how this could be used aggressively is +town as scum would be using this very aggressively.
Raya36 - I no longer have a confident read on Raya
Smoke and Mirrors - Probably town for a few things, but not 100%.
Jjh927 - You'll see shortly at this rate
Infinity Zero - Very much leaning town
Twins Akari and Mara - The scum if it's not Titus

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Also Raya, Titus' battle refusal is A MOVE
it is not a refusal of battle, it is effectively fleeing before anything is rolled

I see, so it's passive

AAAAAAAAAAAH

No

[jjh927]

I have literally never had a battle in this game and I can follow this

[jjh927]

Here is the order of events

Night action success - challenges Titus to a battle
Battle starts in the dawn following the night
Moves get submitted
If Titus submits the move 'Bounce', then the battle ends without any attacks occuring
Titus does not have to use the move 'Bounce', but it is an option

[jjh927]

If you were to challenge me then nothing would happen at all because I'm too lazy to battle
Although I do have stats for whatever reason

[jjh927]

Depends on the phrasing of your move

[jjh927]

Does it say your attacks cannot be evaded by any means or just refers to the conventional way of evading

[jjh927]

If Ali has intended for the interaction in design there will be a hint of that in the wording

[jjh927]

Any other mechanics it would be a good idea to clear up while I'm still alive?

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Oh, I forgot infinity is probably clear due to nuzzle. Seems unlikely scum would have a means of inflicting paralysis AND a straight roleblock

[jjh927]

I am Pikachu!!! (Surprise Surprise!)




My power is that whoever visits me at night has a 50% chance of becoming paralyzed!

Some evil person visited me last night and took away 3 HP points and I am ready to THUNDERBOLT them whenever I can.

but I haven't learned thunderbolt yet

Did any of the claims answer what caused this?

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My biggest remaining question is:

What does tackle do?

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VOTE: Twins

I've reached a conclusion

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If any move is just gonna do some damage to someone in the night phase, it's tackle
If Twins tackled Smoke and Mirrors, it would stand to reason that if Twins are town then they scumread Smoke and Mirrors
Twins' early day 3 does not support that they scumread Smoke and Mirrors

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You did

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Yeah I think Twins is just mechanically scum wow that took me way too long to reach that conclusion

[jjh927]

It's tackle

[jjh927]

Nobody has lied

[jjh927]

Why did they just say tackle and not explain?

[jjh927]

Considering that tackle is a very basic move, it is unlikely to have an in-battle effect. It should have an in-game effect in some regard, which leaves only potential for it to be a night action

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Nobody asked them about it

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Scumplay is not necessarily methodical
Why did Vax claim his scumbuddy's roleblocker? He still got eliminated and then it got his scumbuddy caught

[jjh927]

I can't think of anything else that tackle would do

[jjh927]

The only scenario that makes sense is right there
If scum had to make a mistake to reach this gamestate, then they did. In fact, they've made many

[jjh927]

Is that alignment indicative?

[jjh927]

It's a Sunday evening when I've got nothing better to do, and I wanted to make sure we were still gonna win the game if I got eliminated

I think I might have missed that Titus is close to mechanically clear already

[jjh927]

Also, isn't it super silly to assume the bad guys can only kill if I'm left alive?

In that pretend scenario, if I was put away early the bad guys would have no way to win

?

[jjh927]

Tackle is a damaging move that does damage
It is independent of your scumkill

[jjh927]

If you're a bad guy, you lose today and if you're not you won't. Ms. Titus didn't care if she died so why do you? Why are you trying do hard to make this little girl into a bad guy?

Because I'm good at the game and want to increase the odds of victory, and it's generally good practice to develop and give reads if you're gonna flip because that at least maximises the information out of your flip

[jjh927]

So my steel Pikachu won't be helpless when she gets into pokemon battles. Like I said, all she can do is protect herself once

Can you state in explicit terms what you are claiming that tackle does?

[jjh927]

How much damage?

[jjh927]

The magic number

So, in battle, tackle does 3 damage and then you get to roll an attack as normal

[jjh927]

So when I said explain in explicit terms, you should probably have mentioned that it replaces the attack

[jjh927]

All things being said, 3 is still the magic number in that it is the amount of damage that was taken in the night phase by Smoke and Mirrors

[jjh927]

Because you are aligned with the mafia

[jjh927]

The attack on smoke and mirrors is exactly why you have not claimed the night action part of your move

[jjh927]

Do you think wifom is a defence?

[jjh927]

I don't think we really need to continue considering you've already said plenty that pretty much buries you

[jjh927]

Yeah

[jjh927]

Tackle doesn't do anything? Why would tackle do anything, mara is confused

[jjh927]

You don't need to use a move in battle in order to battle

[jjh927]

And your drawn out claim as to what it does in battle is wildly different from doing nothing

[jjh927]

It is a damaging move that does damage.

The missing claim is something that does damage in the night phase.

The glove fits

[jjh927]

> Before the battle starts, you may decide on if you want to use a move.
> After both pokemon have decided to use a move, it is revealed to each individual what the move is and what it does.
> After you have decided on using a move or not, you will roll a six sided die to attack. The amount of damage you do is modified by your attack modifier, so if you have -1 attack and you roll a 3, you will attack for 2. If you roll a 3 and you have +1 attack, you will attack for 4.

[jjh927]

Why not? Fakeclaims can be tough

[jjh927]

They're trueclaiming the in-battle part of tackle and leaving out the out of battle bit

[jjh927]

You have said literally the exact opposite thing

[jjh927]

Rock puppy! Rock puppy so cutecutecute!

Also, maybe the bad guys didn't have any fake-claims, which would explain why it took so long for Vaxman to claim and the bad guys were rushing so it didn't look like it wouldn't take him that long? It makes sense for the bad guys to not want to claim their roles, if they are affecting other people

[jjh927]

Plus, the roleblocker part was from Chara which is why Red got a roleblocker guilty on Chara

[jjh927]

Scum make mistakes

Especially under pressure

[jjh927]

This is all independent of:

@mod, probably silly question but do scum have fake claims?

No.

[jjh927]

And I literally said it right there. If I was scum, I would not be truth claiming

You aren't trueclaiming though. You can hurt people for 3 damage in the night phase

[jjh927]

That's not a trueclaim

[jjh927]

After seeing how that worked out for Vax?

[jjh927]

No, thank you for directing me away from Titus
Again, I somehow missed that she was basically mechanically clear

[jjh927]

Hey Raya, can I just check that you're happy to flip Twins after me?

[jjh927]

I feel like you're probably the one with the highest burden of proof for this right now

[jjh927]

Wait, how am I clear?

Raya targeted you last night and didn't start a combat

This indicates based you were commuting
If you commuted you couldn't kill

[jjh927]

I don't think you claimed commuter over ascetic in order to create this line of reasoning because if you had done that, you would have jumped on it yourself rather than waiting to be eliminated

[jjh927]

You had a minor scuffle with Chara day 1 as far as I recall, and quickly moved away from it
You TRed them D2

[jjh927]

Your vote on vax came when vax had 4 votes and you had 3

[jjh927]

And finally, you only "risked your ass" today when I said it was you if it wasn't Titus, and not a second before

[jjh927]

You most likely reverted on Chara because it's not in your interests to bus both partners on day 2

[jjh927]

Vax and Chara would have taken Misty too