Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[Mistyx]

[Mistyx]

i was on a streak of like five scum games coming into this one y'all don't know how happy i was to get town

[Mistyx]

hello everyone!
and it's nice to see you again, kitty. also Pooky. :>

hello!

hi uh do you mind changing your signature so that it doesnt use my old pronouns anymore even though its quoted directly i still feel kinda weird about it

[Mistyx]

Red is both visibly scumhunting

?

[Mistyx]

uh

i can use words still right

okay just checking

[Mistyx]

okay

[Mistyx]

why’d you decide to open by claiming?

[Mistyx]

i dont see how the coward part is negative utility

why didn't you just claim ascetic?

[Mistyx]

i dont see how the coward part is negative utility

why didn't you just claim ascetic?

Later on, people can be killed in battles. I can't be killed this way unless someone has a way around that.

i thought the coward part was your choice?

[Mistyx]

hey Titus bet I can guess your full flavor

[Mistyx]

hey Titus bet I can guess your full flavor

this was a question as to whether you were okay with that fwiw

[Mistyx]

alright thats fair

abra / magic guard / teleport

[Mistyx]

Why were my short sentences a problem but Perfume posting nothing but hard to decipher anime not?

Pedit: You can guess but I won't confirm just in case there's a hidden scum mechanic.

Because I feel like I can read you.

I can't read strange anime crap.

So what's your read on Titus?

kinda tempted to vote this

[Mistyx]

i know

i just dont feel like voting rn

but if i did i would be voting there

[Mistyx]

actually it’s more productive to reading into your own thought process

[Mistyx]

Misty, if it wasn't clear i was asking why you wanted to vote catboi.

the response questioning vax felt kinda like it was just there to be there and wasn't actually solving, plus nothing else in their ISO had stuck out to me by that point

[Mistyx]

Y'all can T v T. Meanwhile Perfume has been dodging this thread since we got out of RVS.

i will accept this read but i dislike the way it was presented

[Mistyx]

i'm very behind sorry gimme a bit to catch up

[Mistyx]

i've caught up and have no additional thoughts

thanks brain

[Mistyx]

guess i don't really like vax coming in not having read and dropping a vote on lead wagon anyway

titus flip from raya to a+m felt weird but not bad

[Mistyx]

VOTE: catboi

im feeling nice so sure

[Mistyx]

Misty's specifically i guess. you don't like Vax but here's a catboi vote. no thoughts on the Twins wagon?

nope

[Mistyx]

i trust my earlier read more than my current one because it felt more like i was trying to force something out for the sake of it now

[Mistyx]

VOTE: catboi

im feeling nice so sure

VOTE: Mystix

You also comment on finding Titus’ vote on a slot you claim to have no thoughts on “weird” but you vote CB, not Vax or Titus, who you don’t even bother to comment on.

i literally did talk about catboi

[Mistyx]

Misty, if it wasn't clear i was asking why you wanted to vote catboi.

the response questioning vax felt kinda like it was just there to be there and wasn't actually solving, plus nothing else in their ISO had stuck out to me by that point

here

[Mistyx]

Misty the biggest thing I want to ask you is

Where are you right now? You said you loved being town yeah? Catboi already pointed this out but you can't start a game saying 'oh well thank god im town' then end up slanking. Is there something that's stopping you? You say things with such ennui. Your reads seem like they could flip at any second and you seem unsure. I don't know what troubles you're having getting into this game.

i would say that's not abnormal for me in general

[Mistyx]

i didn't dislike that vax voted A+M i said i disliked how it was handled

there is a distinct difference

[Mistyx]

that's a slakoth btw

[Mistyx]

kinda dislike jjh's reentrance

goes "oops i haven't been productive at all" and then starts fluffposting exclusively

[Mistyx]

kinda dislike jjh's reentrance

goes "oops i haven't been productive at all" and then starts fluffposting exclusively

This game isn't getting very much of my brainpower till I clock off

and when will that be

we're running on a bit of a tight schedule here

[Mistyx]

cool

see ya then

[Mistyx]

serious mode

i don't really like the a+m wagon i thought some of their reasoning pinged townie

[Mistyx]

i remember getting good vibes from raya but don't really have anything to substantiate it

i'm not confident on locking titus town but i feel good enough about her overall approach to today to not want to kill there for a good bit

[Mistyx]

hey infinity

how much have you talked about this game with gamma

[Mistyx]

this game has taught me that the best way to restore my motivation is to talk about pokemon with me

fun

[Mistyx]

chara feels like a slot i'm going to have as light town at eod and then come into tomorrow scumreading

no this is not a read

[Mistyx]

can someone explain unwnd's progression on me to be because i do not understand it

[Mistyx]

Perfume is a thing

not anymore since they got replaced

[Mistyx]

From what I can understand, a lot of people think (JJH, A+M, Vax, Misty) are scummy or contain scum.

so what are your individual reads on this group

[Mistyx]

I don't wanna end up compromising on someone like Misty, but I will do it and my vote is there to say 'Misty, show up and be town or just die'.

did you read any of my serious mode posts

[Mistyx]

Misty, if it wasn't clear i was asking why you wanted to vote catboi.

the response questioning vax felt kinda like it was just there to be there and wasn't actually solving, plus nothing else in their ISO had stuck out to me by that point

here

He was trying to get Vax to clarify his Titus’ read. That’s how it looked to me.

i thought it wasn't really a worthwhile question

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Mistyx

Preemptive

I was gonna say something about catboi being a pyroar, mystyx being a stranger who gives children candy and kidnaps them and being excited about a new friend but I don't think I can do a string of cute posts.

VOTE: mystic

preemtive

?????

[Mistyx]

i could go for this

VOTE: Chara

[Mistyx]

serious mode

i don't really like the a+m wagon i thought some of their reasoning pinged townie

Finally a post of yours I don’t dislike. Can you elaborate on this because you’re voting the player who already said this - Catboi.

sure

their series of posts from 385 to 390 seems like legitimate reasoning that comes from a townie calling out something they see as bs

[Mistyx]

chara feels like a slot i'm going to have as light town at eod and then come into tomorrow scumreading

no this is not a read

Back to not liking your posting. :/

good for you

[Mistyx]

you realize there's no majority right

[Mistyx]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 12

• Vaxkiller
  ------------ 6 ( jjh927, Catboi, Raya36, unwnd, Infinity Zero, Twins Akari and Mara )
  
  Twins Akari and Mara
  - 3 ( Chara, Titus, Wellermanbob )
  
  Chara
  ---------------- 1 ( Mistyx )
  
  jjh927
  --------------- 1 ( Vaxkiller )
  
  Mistyx
  --------------- 1 ( Smoke and Mirrors )
  
  Wellermanbob
  --------- 1 ( Red )
  
  Catboi
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Red
  ------------------ 0 ( No One )
  
  Titus
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Infinity Zero
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Raya36
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  unwnd
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Smoke and Mirrors
  ---- 0 ( No One )
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ----------- 0 ( No One )

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-11 20:01:00)

Vax is at E -1.

And Mistyx and Vax have the worst votes.

and yet no comment on the actual earlier jjh/chara wagons

okay

[Mistyx]

hello

i should be around until deadline

[Mistyx]

Okay I'll level with you guys I took a nap and the alarn didn't snooze

thank you user j j h nine two seven

[Mistyx]

catboi jjh twins town off of spew

can cite posts if necessary

[Mistyx]

Why are we offing ona wagon?

VOTE: twins

If Mistyx is scum here, Vax is probably her buddy.

Seems like a stretch to me honestly. Vax has been weird but I'm not settled on what it all means.

I’m less sure on him but Mistix scumread CB for pushing Vax on his Titus’ read and now she makes it a point of saying that she dislikes his vote - on a slot she claimed to have 0 thoughts about - but she votes CB.

Why did Mistyx react that strongly to CB pushing Vax on his Titus’s read and why does she make it a point of saying she dislikes Vax’s vote on a slot she has no read on? I just find her positioning around Vax strange. It’s possible he could be town but if she’s scum, it wouldn’t at all shock me if Vax is her buddy based on that.

Id vote mystix.

I'm in a weird spot. I did a driveby yesterday because why not? But actually reading, I don't get the push on the twins. HOWEVER, I'm with good company on this wagon. I could toatally vote catboi, but, most of the people on that wagon I don't feel great about either, so it's pretty meh.

VOTE: mystix

this is the Twins stuff

[Mistyx]

I was actually just asking you about this. I don't see how this makes the twins town

don't think they pop in to keep momentum going on twins if twins is their partner

[Mistyx]

Why were my short sentences a problem but Perfume posting nothing but hard to decipher anime not?

Pedit: You can guess but I won't confirm just in case there's a hidden scum mechanic.

Because I feel like I can read you.

I can't read strange anime crap.

So what's your read on Titus?

Wanna know my thoughts on you?

Mmf.

VOTE: Mistyx

lol you sound upset to find me as town?

this was the catboi/vax stuff

jjh stuff soon my face is yelling at me

[Mistyx]

Mistyx, why did you neve vote vax?

-Inf

that's not really a question i can directly answer

[Mistyx]

Titus
Catboi
Raya36
Smoke and Mirrors
Red
Jjh927
Infinity Zero
Twins Akari and Mara

removed self, dead players, chara/wellerman

removing titus/catboi/jjh/twins gives us

raya/s&m/red/infinity

i like that list tbh

[Mistyx]

i think like

infinity > raya > red > s&m is how i'd order my list from earlier from best to worst

but im probably omgusing at least a little

[Mistyx]

I was looking for the 5 recent scumgames you referenced and couldn’t find them. Would you mind please linking/quoting them for me.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Hydra-Mash (hydra as Kyukon)
https://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/v ... 7&t=113277
https://www.mafiacolosseum.com/threads/ ... -over.525/
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... 1%21%21%29 (alted as Rue)

i may have exaggerated slightly when i said 5 but it felt like it

[Mistyx]

I find it interesting no one is talking about red

I still feel like chara is >rand scum but I have nothing to really back this up
Yeah it could've said that it was oblivious to be "cleared" but if it ended up having to claim before bob does then it's kinda screwed

VOTE: mistyx gamma SRs this slot and she's in my PoE. Titus feels town from the last few pages. Old meta on titus says her making sense is a scumtell, I'm not sure whether it still holds up but somehow I doubt it completely flipped.

S&M super obvious town

-Inf

can you ask gamma to talk me through his read on me

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Red

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Red

Why?

everyone seems to be okay with the slot dying but no one is actively pushing it

makes it >rand scum imo

[Mistyx]

VOTE: Red

Why?

everyone seems to be okay with the slot dying but no one is actively pushing it

makes it >rand scum imo

you sure about that bud? have a look at 1066

dont do this to me

[Mistyx]

UNVOTE: Red

temporarily

[Mistyx]

Do you still think I'm wrong about chara given 1079?

-Inf

let's not discuss this more until chara comes back and claims

[Mistyx]

I was looking for the 5 recent scumgames you referenced and couldn’t find them. Would you mind please linking/quoting them for me.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Hydra-Mash (hydra as Kyukon)
https://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/v ... 7&t=113277
https://www.mafiacolosseum.com/threads/ ... -over.525/
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... 1%21%21%29 (alted as Rue)

i may have exaggerated slightly when i said 5 but it felt like it

Thanks, I’ll check those out.

One of my issues with you this game is that you tend to have pretty decent reads when you’re town like if you recall Vengeful Ghosts, Marked for Death and that Coalition game where scum!RC won (can’t recall the name?) but your PoE is really off here.

...huh

i'll take the compliment i suppose

[Mistyx]

bruh

[Mistyx]

I was looking for the 5 recent scumgames you referenced and couldn’t find them. Would you mind please linking/quoting them for me.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Hydra-Mash (hydra as Kyukon)
https://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/v ... 7&t=113277
https://www.mafiacolosseum.com/threads/ ... -over.525/
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... 1%21%21%29 (alted as Rue)

i may have exaggerated slightly when i said 5 but it felt like it

Thanks, I’ll check those out.

One of my issues with you this game is that you tend to have pretty decent reads when you’re town like if you recall Vengeful Ghosts, Marked for Death and that Coalition game where scum!RC won (can’t recall the name?) but your PoE is really off here.

...huh

i'll take the compliment i suppose

Oh God, none of these are MS games, which would explain why I couldn’t find them. How do you have us and Infinty in your PoE and it’s looking like Red may be some kind of cop which if so, would definitely explain a lot.

i believe i already explained all of my townreads?

[Mistyx]

Mistyx, why do you TR titus? The reasons you were townbinning people didn't feel like they were strong enough for this point in the game, but idk. Also did you ever find the stuff that made you TR jjh?

-Inf

vax posts towards jjh felt like "why am i being wagoned over this very scummy townie"

titus thing soon tm

[Mistyx]

Titus
Catboi
Raya36
Smoke and Mirrors
Red
Jjh927
Infinity Zero
Twins Akari and Mara

removed self, dead players, chara/wellerman

removing titus/catboi/jjh/twins gives us

raya/s&m/red/infinity

i like that list tbh

If Red actually has some kind of cop guilty on Chara, I could then see a Vax/Chara/Mistyx team here.

so yesterday you call me scum for pushing chara

now i'm scum with chara

ok.jpg

[Mistyx]

Now if Chara is scum I'll admit I'm bad at this game LOl

Chara is apparently very good at scum, so you shouldn’t feel bad but I may have gotten 2/3 right, since I sr Vax and Misty and Titus is obviously town albeit very wrong on her reads this game, since I think jjh and Raya look extremely good from that VCA as do the twins.

I only briefly thought she was because of that ridiculous jump on me but she sounds like wrong town wrt jjh/Raya/twins and now apparently Chara as well like she was in TBoNTB where she kept insisting that scum!Joan was town doc and that VC very clearly pointed to Nips (who was already cleared by A50) being scum in that. We had to massively fight her on that to realize that she had to be wrong on him. She also wrongly dt flaming obvtown!Fonz.

Sometimes she nails it like in last year’s TM and Doubles but this doesn’t look like one of those games.

okay so like

why can titus be wrong town but not me

[Mistyx]

what towngames have you played with me

i can't think of any off the top of my head

[Mistyx]

what towngames have you played with me

i can't think of any off the top of my head

I already mentioned a few. There were two I was scum: MfD (you were bleeding obvtown in that) and Undertale, that game where Titus deathtunnelled BEF and got setup by scum!RC, the game on MU where I wrongly sr you plus games that I played yoi under different accounts. And in all of the games you were town, you had pretty decent reads and your tone was completely different.

oh i remember the MU game and undertale

those are pretty old though iirc right

[Mistyx]

also the only anime game i remember being scum in i was a hydra

and it was also old

unless i forgot one

[Mistyx]

oh that was uh

gameshow?

that was also really old

also the only anime game i remember being scum in i was a hydra

and it was also old

unless i forgot one

Yeah you were, I can’t remember who with. It was the game where Katsuki lost us the game by innoing scum!LLD and then she janitored him.

yee it was me and eragon

[Mistyx]

anyway

i think your meta on me is pretty outdated tbh

but i do want to see if i can work backwards from this

[Mistyx]

Titus
Chara
Wellermanbob
Catboi
Raya36
Smoke and Mirrors
Red
Jjh927
Infinity Zero
Twins Akari and Mara

okay let's say my entire PoE is wrong

Titus
Chara
Wellermanbob
Catboi
Jjh927
Twins Akari and Mara

this is what's left

i still feel very strongly about catboi/twins/jjh town so if we remove those it's titus/bob/chara as options

i guess it could be bob/chara but i'm not sure bob comes into today trying to hardclear chara like that

[Mistyx]

looking back from a neutral perspective

catboi/twins/jjh town
titus townlean - think the way she's been bouncing around on reads feels very genuine
haven't seen enough from gamma to comfortably call infinity town
letting red/chara resolve itself after chara shows up
wellerman, s&m, raya - need more on (not from just on)

[Mistyx]

Titus
Chara
Wellermanbob
Catboi
Raya36
Smoke and Mirrors
Red
Jjh927
Infinity Zero
Twins Akari and Mara

okay let's say my entire PoE is wrong

Titus
Chara
Wellermanbob
Catboi
Jjh927
Twins Akari and Mara

this is what's left

i still feel very strongly about catboi/twins/jjh town so if we remove those it's titus/bob/chara as options

i guess it could be bob/chara but i'm not sure bob comes into today trying to hardclear chara like that

Titus and bob are town.

so like

if you think that, and i stick with my catboi/twins/jjh clears

from your perspective that leaves chara/raya/red/infinity

my PoE was that but with you in place of chara

who am i wrong on

[Mistyx]

alright good talk

[Mistyx]

Do you think raya kills unwnd when she's his strongest TR? I feel like that's not a very wine-susceptible argument since people focus more on the SRs of the dead player and not the TRs

-Inf

oh is that a thing

possible? wouldn't say it's super likely so you do have a point

[Mistyx]

?????

Vax has already been flipped and it looks like Red has a guilty on Chara, so that would only leave one scum left. If it’s really not you, then I have to look at the VC again. Infinity in addition to being super obvtown here is never scum with Chara. I think interactions with Vax spew both jjh and Raya town, so maybe one of your clears?

I still think it’s you but if not, one scum probably bussed.

Vax’s ISO probably left clues.

i mean i don't think "you're scum because your poe is bad, and your poe is bad because you're the last scum" is really something i can argue against

[Mistyx]

mawile good pokemon

that is all i have to add at the current time

[Mistyx]

i would rather red come back and claim the specific nature of their check

inclined to believe them over chara at the current time but not 100%

[Mistyx]

Gamma can you talk with me about your read on me

[Mistyx]

people keep shortening the names of games and i have no clue what they're talking about

[Mistyx]

ah so i am yet again being held to a vague standard of motivation or tone that i'm not meeting for ??? reasons

cool

[Mistyx]

one i am not a he

second i'm not really disengaged? i was for part of d1 but i think i've been relatively engaged today

who do you think i townread incorrectly?

[Mistyx]

why raya, and why not titus?

i had titus as town because the way she handled her claim felt pro-town, plus her push on perfume felt internally consistent

i also liked her vote on vax

[Mistyx]

You realize him voting you was what made me jump off you, right? I could've just stayed on you and kept the momentum there for deadline.

I was looking for bussers but I think jjh, raya, and the twins are all more or less town based off interactions with vax. Don't love infinity hopping off at the last minute but they got me back on vax in the first place, so, meh. Smoke and Mirrors spent a lot of time trying to tie misty to vax.

Is mara supposed to give you friend points for this...???

Also, like. Ms, titus hasn't been making any sense all game, and is tying all kinds of weird stuff to people.

Ms. Titus is refusing to see things logically despite being a logic player and mara thinks that may be alignment indicative

Pedit: mystix is Bipolarchemist?

out of curiosity do you have signatures turned off

[Mistyx]

also i want the record to show that i'm currently fourth in postcount

so anyone saying i'm lurking is just wrong

[Mistyx]

okay treating that as a direct cc

catboi/titus/jjh/twins town - feel more confident on the latter two
{red/chara} has one
last is in {infinity/s&m/raya/bob}

cool

[Mistyx]

who is that in reference to

[Mistyx]

i mean

the part of this situation that's stupid is that i don't think it's smart for either one to play this as they did as scum

[Mistyx]

Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.

clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket red

Spoiler:

agreed tbh

[Mistyx]

why raya, and why not titus?

i had titus as town because the way she handled her claim felt pro-town, plus her push on perfume felt internally consistent

i also liked her vote on vax

Tbf I had Titus in my lower TR tier
But I felt like townbinning her was too much atp
Meanwhile Raya’s Vax vote was one Infinity quickly pegged as town and I felt good about her contributions from what I read. So if you liked Titus’ vote you should have liked Raya’s too. Nancy was calling out Titus for playing in a way that suggested she needed to push specific miselims but I think your PoE was too wide and that suggests you’re trying to leave more miselim options open.
-Protocol

i've been burned by players by raya a lot before so i don't think the level of contribution is something clearing

so who are the mislims i'm trying to keep available then

[Mistyx]

also titus was literally in my lower TRs as well

1118

[Mistyx]

Tbh i think the reason today was wild is it's TvT and scum are salivating in thread about chained executions

So I would prefer if Red used actual words to claim his information so at the very least I can accuse him of gamethrowing later

this is the spice i needed

i had the same thought but i didn't want to say it for fear of sounding like an idiot

[Mistyx]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?

[Mistyx]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

Ya but we shouldn't have to execute them both to find out we are in that world lol thats just bad manners.

Red doesn't have a posting restriction right its just a gimmick
??

well how else do you propose we solve that

also i believe so yes

[Mistyx]

this is nancy right

why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange

[Mistyx]

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

[Mistyx]

okay treating that as a direct cc

catboi/titus/jjh/twins town - feel more confident on the latter two
{red/chara} has one
last is in {infinity/s&m/raya/bob}

cool

This PoE is why I 100% agree with IZ.

so which of my townreads do you disagree with

[Mistyx]

Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.

clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket red

Spoiler:

agreed tbh

No.

nice

[Mistyx]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?

1147 was referring to scum!Chara. I feel like town!Chara would have more to say than just a claim if they were wrongly guiltied. It feels like scum!Chara claimed and left it at just that to avoid giving more info or further incriminating themselves.

so if you think scum!chara would react differently to being guiltied...

why are you voting them?

[Mistyx]

they said they didn't have time to play tonight and i'm inclined to take that at face value

[Mistyx]

to clarify i'm not against killing chara but i don't understand your logic on this push

[Mistyx]

why raya, and why not titus?

i had titus as town because the way she handled her claim felt pro-town, plus her push on perfume felt internally consistent

i also liked her vote on vax

Tbf I had Titus in my lower TR tier
But I felt like townbinning her was too much atp
Meanwhile Raya’s Vax vote was one Infinity quickly pegged as town and I felt good about her contributions from what I read. So if you liked Titus’ vote you should have liked Raya’s too. Nancy was calling out Titus for playing in a way that suggested she needed to push specific miselims but I think your PoE was too wide and that suggests you’re trying to leave more miselim options open.
-Protocol

i've been burned by players by raya a lot before so i don't think the level of contribution is something clearing

so who are the mislims i'm trying to keep available then

You are seriously arguing that scum!Raya NKs the player who has her as his strongest tr?

i think that argument applies more strongly to scum who might be substantially pushed the next day

raya wasn't in a bad enough thread position to need unwnd defending her

[Mistyx]

also titus was literally in my lower TRs as well

1118

This is very similar to what you did on D1 - shaded multiple players without much context to have it make much sense.

i was literally stating my townreads

[Mistyx]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

[Mistyx]

unless for the sake of my other partner

i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing

[Mistyx]

primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question

if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why

because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how

[Mistyx]

if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed

which is inf/raya/s+m

i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually

i want to talk about 1147/1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?

How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.

You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*

it's a hypothetical that bob brought up literally in the post before me

[Mistyx]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart

if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red

if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something

[Mistyx]

maybe its just red/chara both scum

[Mistyx]

unless for the sake of my other partner

i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing

Ok then if you're only point against me is that I NKed Unwnd for the sake of my partner then by that logic Unwnd was strongly scumreading my supposed partner right? So who's my partner I was so desperate to save by NKing the person who townreads me the most. Also if that's your only point against me then couldn't that apply to literally anyone..

it's not a point against you

it's me arguing how that point isn't in your favor

[Mistyx]

because of the vax flip d1 i found it easier to clear people than feel strongly about killing them this game so i've been playing this game from the top down

you're in my PoE because i don't have a strong reason to clear you

[Mistyx]

this is nancy right

why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange

Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.

Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.

then for the fifth time who am i wrong on

[Mistyx]

is it catboi? is it twins? is it jjh?

you've called pretty much everyone else town

so if i'm town here who should i be scumreading, according to you?

[Mistyx]

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

In what world can they possibly be t/t?

ask bob

[Mistyx]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart

if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red

if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something

No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative though

why do they want to contradict

that just ensures they die either today or after red

[Mistyx]

because of the vax flip d1 i found it easier to clear people than feel strongly about killing them this game so i've been playing this game from the top down

you're in my PoE because i don't have a strong reason to clear you

Alright, benefit of the doubt it's just because of my pov but I feel my push against Vax should be enough

okay

i'll read into it, i have not actually read your iso closely

[Mistyx]

okay treating that as a direct cc

catboi/titus/jjh/twins town - feel more confident on the latter two
{red/chara} has one
last is in {infinity/s&m/raya/bob}

cool

This PoE is why I 100% agree with IZ.

so which of my townreads do you disagree with

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

How does town!you seriously ever contemplate Chara/Red being t/t?

because neither of their claims make any sense coming from scum

[Mistyx]

it's entirely possible and i would say likely that one of them just made a misplay as scum

but i think it's worth considering that that didn't happen

[Mistyx]

Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim

it directly contradicts red's result

how does that make them look like less of a threat

Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart

if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red

if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something

No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative though

why do they want to contradict

that just ensures they die either today or after red

Chara is getting elimed either way. Contradicting gives them a better chance to not be eliminated first in my opinion. There's almost no chance Chara/Red is tvt. So whatever order we eliminate, Chara gets eliminated.

i think if chara were to claim some sort of vigilante they could get out of an elimination

i think it's possible they didn't consider this, but i find it unlikely given previous experience

[Mistyx]

Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.

clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket red

Spoiler:

agreed tbh

No.

nice

You actually had some posts earlier that were actually making me question my scumread on you but your recent posts are pretty much proving Gamma right and I don’t recall a single game ever where town!you had such inexplicable takes.

you realize the quoted post was sarcasm correct

[Mistyx]

nancy you quoted my post asking you to explain which of my townreads you think i'm wrong on but didn't answer

[Mistyx]

Personally, if Chara claimed vig I would've voted right away too. This also all depends on what result Red actually got. If Red got a guilty and the weapon of mass destruction is just his personal flavour then this argument is pointless because the guilty no longer alludes to a gun. If Red got only that Chara has a weapon then the vig claim could work because both scum and vig could fit into that guilty claim.

okay but i'd like to point out that chara wouldn't know the nature of red's check

so they'd be more likely to claim something that fits with like

any investigative

instead of this

[Mistyx]

im going to scream

nancy you have not even considered trying to understand my point of view

and you are taking every possible opportunity to paint everything i do in a bad light

i don't know if you're doing it on purpose but you're blatantly spinning everything i do to fit with the narrative of your scumread on me

[Mistyx]

also titus was literally in my lower TRs as well

1118

Titus
Catboi
Raya36
Smoke and Mirrors
Red
Jjh927
Infinity Zero
Twins Akari and Mara

removed self, dead players, chara/wellerman

removing titus/catboi/jjh/twins gives us

raya/s&m/red/infinity

i like that list tbh

This was the PoE I took issue with
If you just failed to make it clear Titus wasn’t as strong a TR as the other that would make things better ime
-Protocol

okay

question goes to you too

who am i wrong on in my townreads

[Mistyx]

Personally, if Chara claimed vig I would've voted right away too. This also all depends on what result Red actually got. If Red got a guilty and the weapon of mass destruction is just his personal flavour then this argument is pointless because the guilty no longer alludes to a gun. If Red got only that Chara has a weapon then the vig claim could work because both scum and vig could fit into that guilty claim.

okay but i'd like to point out that chara wouldn't know the nature of red's check

so they'd be more likely to claim something that fits with like

any investigative

instead of this

Maybe they have reason to believe that Red's claim is just flavour. That's what I assumed at a first read. The guilty is very similar format to a couple of his other posts in terms of the gimmick

that's plausible

[Mistyx]

also titus was literally in my lower TRs as well

1118

This is very similar to what you did on D1 - shaded multiple players without much context to have it make much sense.

i was literally stating my townreads

How is your PoE consist almost entirely of obvtown?

[Mistyx]

Which would make claiming a vig role very risky because what if Red's next posts says the weapon thing was just gimmick. Then suddenly Chara's claim "coincidentally" lined up with the gimmick

yeah that makes sense

okay i get your logic now

[Mistyx]

unless for the sake of my other partner

i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing

Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.


*Waits for Mistyx to argue it was actually a bus*.

it was actually a bus

are you happy now

[Mistyx]

this was the mistake of plurality tbh

[Mistyx]

primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question

if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why

because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how

For starters, having both Chara and Red as town makes no freaking sense.

okay so i'll brush that hypothetical aside for now

catboi, titus, jjh, and twins are my townreads

if we take the assumption that there's one scum in chara and red, and you think my entire PoE (raya, you, infinity) plus bob are town, there has to be one scum outside of that

who in that list is it? assume i'm town for the sake of this exercise

[Mistyx]

also i'm not expecting reactions to this read yet but i have determined raya is town and i probably should have had her in my clears from the start

oops

[Mistyx]

While I can’t speak for myself in an objective sense, Nancy is obvtown, I can see how she reads me as obvtown, and Raya is obvtown. That leaves Red as the only possible scum in your PoE and I highly doubt the living team is red/chara because why guilty your partner when town are the main pushes besides maybe fancy play syndrome?
And like, to be more clear I have no problem with the TRs on Titus/catboi/jjh/twins rn, but the chara/weller removal doesn’t really click with me.
-Protocol

i removed chara and weller because weller was claiming to be essentially masons with chara at daystart

[Mistyx]

if red/chara is t/t red is exactly a loyal role i think 9 times out of 10

i think that's a plausible enough explanation to justify the amount of consideration i put into it

i maintain the situation is silly regardless

[Mistyx]

maybe its just red/chara both scum

Why would Red bus his buddy with a fakeclaim, especially a player that prior to the guilty claim, almost everyone was townreading?

haha fps go brrr

[Mistyx]

Does scum!Mistyx clear me when their PoE is already small?

don't think this is a question worth answering

everyone who doesn't have meta on me will have this colored by their established reads and i don't think anyone who does have meta has seen me in a position like this as scum

[Mistyx]

Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense

news to me

well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads

[Mistyx]

this is nancy right

why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange

Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.

Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.

then for the fifth time who am i wrong on

I’ve already answered that but you continue to ignore it.

humor me and answer it again please

[Mistyx]

fair enough

[Mistyx]

then i'm not going to bother responding to you if you won't bother considering my point of view

[Mistyx]

okay well

we still do have a mafia game to play

if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?

In what world can they possibly be t/t?

ask bob

Answer this, stop deflecting.

red is a loyal role that got roleblocked
red is town who's reaction testing
red is an investigative who got their action manipulated
red misunderstood his role or result

possibilities

[Mistyx]

Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.

clearly, gamma is scum trying to pocket red

Spoiler:

agreed tbh

No.

nice

You actually had some posts earlier that were actually making me question my scumread on you but your recent posts are pretty much proving Gamma right and I don’t recall a single game ever where town!you had such inexplicable takes.

you realize the quoted post was sarcasm correct

Other than that not making you any townier, your point is?

my point is that you are calling my slot obvscum for something that is blatantly a joke

you are twisting everything you can to make me look bad

[Mistyx]

nancy you quoted my post asking you to explain which of my townreads you think i'm wrong on but didn't answer

YOU

me.

[Mistyx]

this isn't worthwhile and i don't know why i'm pretending it is

[Mistyx]

unless for the sake of my other partner

i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing

Except for the obvious fact that she pretty much hardpushed Vax.


*Waits for Mistyx to argue it was actually a bus*.

it was actually a bus

are you happy now

Who did the bussing? No one in MY PoE.

i feel like i should clarify that that was also sarcasm

[Mistyx]

VOTE: jjh

If we're offering up our pet random wagons before we all have to converge later today then here is mine

I'm against a jj elimination.

I'm also against a twins elimination

I'm not happy with the jj or twins wagon. I'd be willing to go back to cat but I don't feel as bad as I did before with this slot.

I'm not sure if this is still a viable wagon or not but I'm not liking Vax. I didn't like the Titus vote. Titus has felt town to me and it felt opportunistic as well. The unvoting for simply posting more is bad too. He next places his vote on Infinity, another slot I light townread and another opportunistic vote. Later he voted the twins as the 5th vote which is again opportunistic. He also gave no reasoning for this vote and seemingly hadn't been caught up. When he switches votes again later he says he doesn't even understand the twins wagon but he'd still be willing to go back to it? The it's Mistyx without any reasoning which again already had a wagon forming and opportunistic. He mentions how little time we have then proceeds with fluffy posts. Then joins the jj wagon, who I light townread, without any reasoning given again.

VOTE: Vax

okay

if you think my clear on raya was convenience, here is the exact series of posts that made me clear raya while ISOing her

i think on its own the vote on vax is not clearing but actively shutting down the jjh/twins wagons is incredibly towny, especially if both are town

i also like how she factored her own reads into her analysis of vax which makes it feel genuine

[Mistyx]

Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense

news to me

well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads

Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?

i'm still not sure what mfd is

[Mistyx]

Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense

news to me

well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads

Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?

i'm still not sure what mfd is

Marked for Death, you were super obvious town in that.

oh the game i voted wrong in f3

right

[Mistyx]

Is all this arguing accomplishing anything? You're not going to convince misty she's scum so I'm not sure what you're trying to do. It's just creating a lot of noise for the rest of us. (。-ω-)zzz

hello

do you have anything further to add then

[Mistyx]

Town!Mistyx usually has reads that are grounded in logic and make sense

news to me

well maybe not but i don't think i've ever been good at articulating my reads

Should I link MfD where you were bleeding obvtown because your reads made so much sense or Gameshow, while being wrongly sr, your reads still made logical sense or pretty much any of your towngames for that matter?

i'm still not sure what mfd is

Marked for Death, you were super obvious town in that.

oh the game i voted wrong in f3

right

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=32465

ah a game from literally more than a year ago

[Mistyx]

maybe its just red/chara both scum

Why would Red bus his buddy with a fakeclaim, especially a player that prior to the guilty claim, almost everyone was townreading?

haha fps go brrr

I already mentioned that, nice try pal
-Protocol

doesn't make it any less of a valid answer

[Mistyx]

tbf it wouldn't be the first time i've seen it happened

[Mistyx]

that

is not proper grammar

im going to bed

[Mistyx]

I haven't played a pokemon game through since the original game boy ones, which one should I play

depends on what you're looking for

[Mistyx]

VOTE: chara

[Mistyx]

I haven't played a pokemon game through since the original game boy ones, which one should I play

depends on what you're looking for

generally emerald and platinum are considered to be some of the strongest in terms of gameplay
x and y are good if you want something easy
black/white and the sequels are good if you want to play something with a strong story

[Mistyx]

People play these things for story?

im a mystery dungeon main so

[Mistyx]

Nothing that mistyx is doing is making me SR her, but I don't get why as town she is only putting in effort when 1 scum is down and another is guiltied. If she's scum she really believes that she's caught for the wrong reasons, which I'd agree with.

Mistyx, idk if it's helpful for you for me to answer this, but I think there's a reasonable chance you're wrong on jjh or twins. Like yeah, there are things that are kinda townspewy that vax said about them but it's not really enough to clear them imo. Especially compared to someone like S&M, who I can't really articulate my read on but who I think is bleeding town. The way she's approaching this read on you, I can't see a world where she doesn't believe it, and earlier in the game she was putting in a lot of effort to try and sort bob despite really not getting his playstyle, which felt super towny to me and gamma. I'm not sure who the last scum is, but yeah I don't think it's S&M or red (assuming chara is scum) cause it's unlikely that he bussed his only partner. You don't even have to respond to this if you don't find it helpful, but those are my thoughts on why you're PoE wasn't the best from my perspective and maybe from others'.

-Inf

this is actually pretty helpful thank you

[Mistyx]

i'm in a position where everyone seems to agree that the game only makes sense if i'm scum

and i'm not so

this game doesn't make sense

[Mistyx]

i do think if i am misclearing it's not on jjh or twins, i would say it's on catboi or titus

maybe bob but idk

[Mistyx]

It's on Titus, Misty
You're wrong on Titus

acknowledged

[Mistyx]

i do think that is actually plausible

ughhhhh my brain hurts

[Mistyx]

i think it's exactly two in {red/chara/titus/infinity}

would

probably

pick chara/titus out of those?

[Mistyx]

Personal attacks are not ok, regardless of alignment. I just want to say that.

Scum is still jjh.

i think vax's reaction to being wagoned over jjh is hardclearing for jjh

[Mistyx]

That's right. JJ can go to town as well

i would also clear twins out of your null list

i think the way vax jumped onto the wagon was not a bus

[Mistyx]

That's right. JJ can go to town as well

i would also clear twins out of your null list

i think the way vax jumped onto the wagon was not a bus

Couldn't it have been distancing with the way Vax left the wagon after they got back?

i think he just jumped off because he got backlash for the vote and couldn't justify it further

[Mistyx]

i also think twins have been individually towny

so

[Mistyx]

i generally prefer the original Hoenn games to the remakes, but the remakes have Mega Mawile, which makes it very hard to decide.

yeah the main draw of the remakes to me was the soar mechanic (because if you couldn't guess latias and latios are some of my favorite pokemon) and mega evolutions, plus some of the new music

with that said i haven't actually played the originals

[Mistyx]

can we get a unanimous wagon

[Mistyx]

i dont think titus being offwagon is particularly indicative of anything

tomorrow i do need to check if she did vote chara or not at any point, if she did then switched to jjh after arguing with him it might be >rand town

[Mistyx]

So did anyone lose their Pokémon battle

I mean I didn’t win

[Mistyx]

Hm what about altaria, gardevoir, arceus, or absol?

this is a very good list of pokemon

[Mistyx]

apparently jirachi and shaymin can also get serene grace but i get the feeling those aren't accessible

[Mistyx]

Hm what about altaria, gardevoir, arceus, or absol?

this is a very good list of pokemon

Arceus was the best though

nah absol is the best

sorry

[Mistyx]

Arceus is more angelic

counterpoint

mega absol

also arceus isn’t an angel it’s literally god

[Mistyx]

hello

[Mistyx]

not surprising

think my four kills would be titus > infinity > like, bob and catboi in some order idk

this game is either very easy or very hard and i have no clue which

give me a bit

[Mistyx]

d1 chara wagon was unwnd, infinity, me, twins in that order

good look for inf

[Mistyx]

I passively lower the defense of anyone I battle for that battle, and can either make my attack unevadeable or boost my own and someone else's attack by 2 for their next battle

[Mistyx]

Hm what about altaria, gardevoir, arceus, or absol?

this is a very good list of pokemon

Arceus was the best though

nah absol is the best

sorry

also i softed my flavor yesterday look at me wow

[Mistyx]

Hm what about altaria, gardevoir, arceus, or absol?

this is a very good list of pokemon

Arceus was the best though

nah absol is the best

sorry

also i softed my flavor yesterday look at me wow

Wow, I really set you up for that

m-hm!

Is anyone opposed to me waiting for the mod's response to multitasking before I claim?

nope

[Mistyx]

Flipped scum roles dont make any sense to me so far? Maybe they had evolutions that gave abilities? Or have factional abilities

mawile isn't a pokemon that can evolve

inkay can, and malamar is much stronger than inkay, so that's possible

[Mistyx]

wait since when does azurill get huge power what lol

[Mistyx]

Ability: Intimidate
During Battle: During Battle, the opponent loses -1 ATK.

hmm

[Mistyx]

also that's

not what cute charm does

why haven't you targeted anyone so far?

[Mistyx]

meh

i think vax posting towards jjh looks a lot better than jjh posting towards vax and shouldn't be discounted

544, 569, 584, 741

[Mistyx]

i dont think its twins

something in my gut is telling me it might be catboi but i dont have much to substantiate that

[Mistyx]

Specifically, Catboi should growl at Titus who should commute
Vote twins off tomorrow if there is a kill and Catboi verifies that Titus commuted through the lack of PT

if we replace twins with "whoever we decide on who isn't catboi/titus"

i am some degree of okay with this

[Mistyx]

actually that reminded me that i dont think i claimed my flavor

do i need to do that

[Mistyx]

okay hi i skipped the last 5 pages

whats up

[Mistyx]

Raya, you should fight someone who has claimed the names of their moves, since the names of moves are revealed in the combat

night slash and swords dance for me

there

[Mistyx]

i will also absolutely die if battled though

[Mistyx]

i will also absolutely die if battled though

Why? You lower defense, have unevadable attacks and an attack boost?

i also have the worst luck ever

this is why every absol i use has super luck

[Mistyx]

oh

[Mistyx]

at no point during this game did i have any clue what was going on

and that is ok

[Mistyx]

i dont get the point of lying about the flavor you got

anyway i want the record to show that i got the worst possible outcome of my n1 battle by living at 1 HP and not killing the enemy because my luck was literally just that bad

[Mistyx]

my second pick was shinx and my third was misdreavus

honestly think the third would've been the most interesting option but i was happy with what i got