Mini 2186: Pokemon Battles [GAME OVER]

[Infinity Zero]

Hi!

VOTE: raya I'm scared of your scumgame now >.>

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

If they evade the attack, they can dodge the attack completely if the roll a number that is higher then what you are attacking with for attack however if the evade fails, you will take a lot of damage. So if you attacked for 3 and they evaded for 3 or anything below that, they will take 3 damage, but if you evade for anything above 3, you will dodge the attack entirely.

This is a gnarled mess of pronouns
-Protocol (Gamma head)

[Infinity Zero]

I will not mistake Firebringer for a player in this game
I will not mistake Firebringer for a player in this game
I will not mistake Firebringer for a player in this game
I will not mistake Firebringer for a player in this game
I will not mistake Firebringer for a player in this game
I will not mistake Firebringer for a player in this game
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I'm already pocketed by red.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

You have nothing to worry about. If I got scum again I would have simply passed away

So being alive is a towntell for you, got it. Any others I should know about?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

we're just one big pile of spooky it seems
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Hmm

*looks at raya*
*checks notes*
*looks at raya*

UNVOTE:

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

visibly scumhunting

You think?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Town

Explain, this feels a bit easy

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

this is becoming quite foolish
I didn't expect to be playing with a creepypasta and a lolcat this game
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: chara you could've waited a few more posts and your take would've been fine!

Seriously though, that feels a bit pockety.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Sure, I'm just a fan of 75 from an aesthetic/gimmick perspective not necessarily a gameplay one.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Hi nancy, protocol is gamma emerald. Noraa isn't in this game. Why do you think you'll have difficulty reading me?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

It might be helpful in seeing how nancy approaches reading our slot, then I can see later in the game if she actually followed up.

-Inf

PEdit: I don't agree

[Infinity Zero]

Why? Do you think my reads are bad? Why the heavy handed discredit?

Emotional reaction here feels town

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Random take: I like mist for town because she's here but not pretending to have reads in a difficult-to-read gamestate.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

this is becoming quite foolish
I didn't expect to be playing with a creepypasta and a lolcat this game
-Protocol

Is this Noraa?

NO this is Gamma Emerald
our heads are in the OP
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

i dont see how the coward part is negative utility

why didn't you just claim ascetic?

Later on, people can be killed in battles. I can't be killed this way unless someone has a way around that.

why would you out this? It's a weaker bulletproof in a sense
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Why were my short sentences a problem but Perfume posting nothing but hard to decipher anime not?

Pedit: You can guess but I won't confirm just in case there's a hidden scum mechanic.

Because I feel like I can read you.

I can't read strange anime crap.

And so you're voting one of the slots not doing that why?
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

If there's something AI in those two posts, you'll have to explain it to me.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Bob, uh, you think we're scummy for an interaction with S&M? You think I should've pointed out things that were scummy about 96/97? What things and why? I feel like you should be pushing me on this more.

Also, we're a quarter of the way through the deadline and barely out of RVS, it's not great for town.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Bob you seem to be very interested in not making posts you don't find incredibly useful for advancing the game for someone who made 134.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I don't really feel the need to follow up on the vote, my vibes are still there and I would've expected town to push back more on my vote since it wasn't logical and mostly gut.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I didn't expect you to interrogate it, I expected you to be annoyed/confused by it. Sometimes townies don't have the emotional reactions I expect, but it's certainly not a reason to unvote.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

i guess, that's fair enough actually re: not unvoting. but given the gamestate and your opinion on the deadline i would think you'd have reason to press on what seems to be at least some kind of scumread.
do you have a read on bob?

I would like to push on the vote more, but the only thing I could do is repeat "I'm getting scumvibes from chara" every few posts which doesn't really seem effective.

I don't really have a read on bob, if I had to choose I'd say he's a scumlean but it's probably just a weird playstyle.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I don't really feel the need to follow up on the vote, my vibes are still there and I would've expected town to push back more on my vote since it wasn't logical and mostly gut.

-Inf

Why would you expect town to push back on a gutvote you haven't really expanded on at all?

Usually when I have gut reads that I can't articulate well, I try to articulate them and then if it's on town the person goes "wtf that makes no sense" because it doesn't, really. Scum tend to subconsciously treat suspicions on them as more valid, I think.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Chara is scum, let's wagon chara

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Because it's similar enough to something it would say as town, is the most likely reason

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Chara is scum, let's wagon chara

-Inf

Ehh, has anything they've said since you voted them pinged you?

A few things, yeah. I think it's been trying to look town without a ton of substance

[Infinity Zero]

Are you ready to elim me now? Cause if so I don't really get the thought progression from 134

PEdit: I was kinda waiting for you to follow up on your own

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

At what point since 134 did you become ready to eliminate me and why?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Being transparent in your thought processes as town tends to elicit more townreads, increasing town's winrate by virtue of process of elimination.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: wellermanbob
I don't think his suspicions of us + S&M are very fleshed out or genuine rn, he's been insistent we're scum with no substance to the read all game
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Raya, do you have a read on us?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: Infinity Zero

Lets try this

This vote feels a little oddly placed. We have all the early game nonsense going on and of all the slots weller decides to vote ours? It doesn't make sense why he singled us out and he never explains it.

Okay goodnight

Don't like the tone of this either.

Hi nancy, protocol is gamma emerald. Noraa isn't in this game. Why do you think you'll have difficulty reading me?

-Inf

Are you actually going to do anything with this information or are you just asking to fill the airwaves though?

That wasn't me asking the question but what's wrong with it? Maybe it'll just end up being noise but you can't tell if you don't ask (at least for that one). Though I do think it would be nice if Nancy defined why she thinks Infinity will be hard to sort, as well as possibly why she mistook me for Noraa.

Not liking bob perfume and vax but that list contains at most 1 scum due to

voting theory.

go on

I get the sense just ignoring Titus will be best for the game regardless of their alignment

This just seems overblown. In further posts weller takes issue with Titus' current approach, so why this comment that seems like he's writing her off for the entire game. In a certain sense it feels like he's discrediting her, which I think scum generally would be invested in doing with how she plays.

Do you think my reads are bad?

I think they're indistinguishable from throwing darts at a board at the moment because you've offered up reasoning that doesn't seem relevant AND you're publicly explaining them all which combines for a nasty distraction in my opinion

I can see how the reads seem like throwing darts, but I feel like it's a bit of a style thing with Titus where she tends to prefer those data-based reads (what with how she focuses on VCA aand doesn't like d1s). So it's pretty much the way she works that is being picked at. In addition it seems like OMGUS driven shade given him being in that suspect pool he responded to saying he'd ignore her, and 138 kinda affirms my sense that he reflexively shaded Titus there in response to her sussing him in particular.

I think smoke and mirrors and infinity something are the two most significant slots to place at the moment.

Which may or may not include purging with extreme passion

I think this post is disingenuous for two reasons. First, he suggests placing us and S&M quickly, but I don't really see anything actually

engaging

with our slots, all he's doing is pushing us with no reasoning set out at all for it. It's a shallow attempt to look like he's sorting but his words don't match his actions in any way. The second issue is his mention of purging us with "burning passion". That doesn't really harmonize with how he's pushed us, yes he's pushed us a lot but it feels like he doesn't really care about it, it's not his goal to push us. And if it's not his goal, then it's a step to some other goal, presumably pushing town and driving a scum agenda. To expand on how he doesn't have real passion in his push, in 144, his response to Vaxkiller voting us is just to pat Vax on the back for doing it. It doesn't read like he's really caring to put in a full try on pushing us.

I am explaining my reads

You're explaining reads but they are not useful because you are applying a book on draughts to a game of canasta

I'm pretty concerned with how weller is dealing with explaining reads. Further down in 208 he says he doesn't feel like explaining his reads makes it easier to track his thought process (or I presume that's what he was saying). Well, why? You have people like Titus and Chara who are actually explaining themselves pretty effectively, and people can actual engage and potentially agree on those explanations, which a) helps build trust since they can see where the other person is coming from (and even if they don't agree the thought process is still out there which can be determined as sensible or not), and b) if someone agrees on a scumread they'll vote with you. weller has been pushing us without giving any real logic, which can gain interest from some but rarely carries weight in actually limming someone. This could be a massive playstyle issue but weller isn't interested in putting up the needed effort to work with the town it seems, which as I'll get into later seems scummy in spots.

No I meant 96/97 whoops

weller keeps picking at that interaction as why we and S&M are scummy, but here's the thing, those posts didn't exist when he dropped his vote onto us. He's trying to retroactively justify his read, if there is a thing he saw before then it's impossible to tell because he's not explaining it, which is why explaining reads is so crucial.

There's evil afoot between Infinity and Smoke and Mirrors I can smell it.

Thar she blows

This doesn't look like a real thought. It seems like someone tried to draw a beautiful sunrise and just created a bunch of spots of color on a page, there's no emotional substance in how weller expresses himself here. With his previous assertion that he wanted to lim us with a burning passion, it seems like he's trying to fake a solving drive that doesn't exist.

I would argue the current gamestate is fine for town.

Why do you think it's bad?

The current gamestate is not very easy to form real reads in. With so many people doing their own nonsense thing, it's hard to actually engage with anyone and have it mean anything. So trying to move out of that makes it easier to form reads, which is pro-town. While I'd say progress has been made we're still not really anywhere near where we should be rn. weller's play has done nothing to really improve gamestate and kinda feels like he's exploiting it to an extent, with his lack of visible logic working into the inscrutable nonsense of the game.

This is always such a silly line of questioning.

Do you think they have a greater chance of being scum than other players in the game? If so, why do you need my reasons?

If no, will me writing some reasons down be a genuine way of you reevaluating? Or is just rereading them yourself enough?

This happens again later, but weller is kinda dodging explaining his own reads by asking a bunch of questions to deflect the point. As has been asserted multiple times, the intent was to sort weller's thought process vs. trying to interpret us. But it seems like weller can't really put out a logic for how he came to scumread us and so strongly, so he has to ask deflecting questions in order to put off the demands to explain himself.

I'm not calling a scumteam with no flips. Merely that those two players have pinged.

This does not click with him saying us and S&M are up to no good. Why are you saying things like that if you're not okay forming associative reads rn?

we are, which is why i conceded i got a read out of it, but getting information out of you is like pulling teeth, and it doesn't need to be that way. for example, it wasn't clear until just now that you weren't calling them teamed, because that is how it sounded to me.

Read infinity's ISO then and tell me what you think. I'll respond!

As I pointed out before, weller is dodging having to explain his read on us, this time by suggesting someone read us and give their own read, "and then he'll respond". This puts burden of proof on others so he can say "oh yeah that what I was thinking" without having to actually make to effort to find reasons himself. Again, he has no logic of his own because he rushed into a read as scum, so he now has to get others to find reasons that he can then call his own.

we are, which is why i conceded i got a read out of it, but getting information out of you is like pulling teeth, and it doesn't need to be that way. for example, it wasn't clear until just now that you weren't calling them teamed, because that is how it sounded to me.

Read infinity's ISO then and tell me what you think. I'll respond!

i think Infinity hasn't really towntold so far. they're asking a lot of questions and i haven't seen much direction from the slot, as well. i would have expected some follow up from the vote on me. my vote's still there, in any case.

Yeah largely agree. There's also the part where it took them a long time to figure out the correct way to approach me voting them/wanting them dead/being townread by other people

As called earlier, weller's response to chara was to claim he agrees.
Also, a question for weller: how new do you think we are to this game?

I've been ready to eliminate you. That's how the game works yaknow

Really? Because it's not evident at all that you have any real care towards getting us limmed from your posts.

-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

both sorta
it would help but something of that degree isn't what's needed from you, you just need to actually call out what you're seeing, where you're seeing it, and why

[Infinity Zero]

On this site people generally expect you to explain the reasons for reads when asked, unless there's a specific reason why you want to keep them hidden.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

@bob You can believe whatever you want with regards to what is helpful when finding scum, but stubbornly sticking to your play when you play on a new site and not expecting to playstyle clash is not going to work out well for you.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Interesting, why

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

jjh, any other reads?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Nancy does your tone tend to differ based on your alignment?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Gamma hasn't talked about you yet. I mostly feel like you sound a lot different from shape of water and much more similar to PyP, like you had a more confident tone in shape of water. I'll see if gamma agrees with me there. It's obvious enough that you're pretty likely to have changed it if there was a real difference, since you seem pretty good at scum. Maybe I'll do a quick meta look though.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

First dung beetle game reads like this game to me, second one read more like shape of water. (Secret alt game probably not relevant here). Probably NAI

Also I didn't SR you in shape of water I just didn't townlock you but w/e

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

The fact that she linked it, or what

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Chara just feels smug to me. It's exactly how DGB felt in yellowstone.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

has pooky posted yet?
also I do wanna know why you thought I was noraa, nancy
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I think being smug in the way I perceive you is scum-indicative, yeah. Or maybe smug is the wrong word. Idk. Maybe it's that you feel overly comfortable with the gamestate in a way I don't think town would be? I'm not good at this part.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I coudn't read that post because I got distracted blaring red scum alarms going off in my head. It's showy and fabricated and it feels so dispassionate about the bob wagon that I don't believe it really TRs bob. I need to talk to gamma because I'm not seeing chara and bob as scum together but chara needs to die

VOTE: chara

-Inf

PEdit: that was at 330

[Infinity Zero]

Yeah we have, I reread the game where you claimed traitor to me recently, that was fun

I mostly just don't believe that there are real feelings behind your words no matter how you're presenting them

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Sorry, the game wasn't recent but the reread was

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

The bolded was probably the only thing I disliked because if you’re scumreading a slot, you should never not read that player’s post but other than that I’m not really sure what you’re referring to but I’ll re-ISO them. Gamma definitely needs to post more because I think I can better read him > Infinity.

That part was rhetoric, I read the post.

I don't scumread confidence and I'm not sure where you're getting that. Yes different emotional states are AI or NAI for different players but I strongly believe this one doesn't feel right from town.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Me and gamma both lean town on akara.

Whoever said that mistyx is not doing a good job at showing she's happy about rolling town is looking prophetic.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Hopefully you'll come around eventually. I guess one problem I had with its response to gamma re:bob is the worry about missing "obvscum" bob who refuses to explain his reads. I'm not sure why this was one of the first things that popped into chara's head, or at least one of the strongest emotional pictures I got from that post. If he's really bad at scum, he shouldn't be too difficult to catch later, given that he's active. People tend to weight their most likely scenarios most highly in their head, so I'm not sure why this is such a big concern for chara. It felt more like it was trying to look unsure about bob's alignment.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Nancy, I skimmed cards of destiny and another chara game and the feeling around its posts is quite different.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Catboi, uh, what's stopping akara from also just being town that disagrees with you?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

imagine you are Inifinit and you are being pushed by some person completely new to your site

Bob seems to be new to the site, and yeah I agree that he mostly just has a different playstyle. Personally I lean town on him

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: catboi

Their takes have been pretty safe, but I'm mostly just voting here because I don't like any of the other wagons. I'm also getting townvibes from raya, who's playing the polar opposite of a strategy that worked well for her as scum (lots of effort and nuance and aggression)

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Nancy going through all this playstyle translation to try and sort bob is ++town

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Questioning vax on "got what I wanted" post, questioning me about the chara scumread, akara vote

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Do you have a vote to spare on this fine evening?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I'd recommend reading at least a bit to get a sense for who you want to vote before deadline

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

There are some little things that make me like catboi, I was also townpinged by 471 and townreading that post shows a bit of towny perception I think. I can't really justify voting off a wagon rn though. The other people I'm willing to wagon are red, jjh, and chara, and I guess unwnd though I'd feel bad about limming the guy who replaced in with less than a day left in deadline. I'm probably wrong on a townread or two, since there are so many low-activity slots in there, but I do think scum are relatively likely to be contributing less in this gamestate.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I will post more soon (just got my new PC set up which should allow more intensive activity on hydra games) but gotta get to bed soon
but for now please get off the akara hydra, they're probably my most comfortable TR
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Your scumreads are mostly just low-profile players. I think a common mistake being made as of late is that scum isn't paying attention or don't want to.

Why do you think scum are active? I think this game has been pretty slow for how fast the deadlines are

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Inf, something I noted in my catchup is that you made a huuge response to wellermanbob in #247 then just went lol vote Red. Why? Seemed like you were prepared to bury bob in your words then picked gimmick account Red instead. Yes Red is being a gimmick but you're either lead to believe that he's playing up the gimmick for scummy reasons (which you did not clarify) or it's the easiest vote to make in the entire game lol

I assume you mean 277 here, but we never voted red, and we voted bob in 271.

[Infinity Zero]

I'm getting vague scumvibes from unwnd

We need a VC

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

hey infinity

how much have you talked about this game with gamma

Not too much, we mostly just argued about bob and I checked in with him before I voted catboi

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

can someone explain unwnd's progression on me to be because i do not understand it

Looks like he's scumreading you and was arguing with nancy since he didn't think vax was particularly likely to be your scum buddy

Also: psst if you think you're gonna scumread someone later that means they're probably scum

VOTE: jjh like this better than catboi

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I think bob is town and gamma is ok not voting bob rn

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Yeah point still stands even if it was late and I really shouldn't be mafiaposting while late and inebriated. You definitely had Bob right where you wanted him in that instance, yet you chose to vote to chara instead. The only thing I could gather from a wall of that magnitude is that you felt compelled to 'sit down' Bob for some reason lol

This is mostly a question of hydra dissonance, I never scumread bob much to begin with and gamma was ok with the chara vote when I made it. I was gonna let gamma push the bob vote for a bit but he hasn't been here too much. He might also have something to say relevant to this.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I don't feel it's been slow, and even if you believe this how does it affect your reads? Are you comfortable with the people who have been posting more?

I have quite a few townleans on active people. I think because this is a slow game, it benefits scum to post less so that they don't inadvertently get the game moving, increasing townies' motivations and generating more content with which they can be caught. Not all scum think like this, so it's kind of a weak thing, but it makes me a bit more comfortable to have less active players in my PoE.

I also think there's a problem of like, if the scum are in the more active players, they haven't been scummy enough to get caught yet, so it's hard to tell which ones. I think arguing that a specific active player is scummy would be more helpful than just saying that limming in the lurkers is a bad idea. I think chara has been very scummy but not many people agree with me, so I'm ok just voting people who haven't towntold yet.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Go with this thought? I wasn't merely offering my thoughts in a way that seemed like biting criticism. I don't disagree with your assumption made in regards of what scum could possibly be doing, and it's something I've noted. I do however think that purely at a meta level this PList again has a ton of people like (Misty) who love being town and I'd really expect a hell of a lot more. I keep exclusively mentioning her which actually kinda annoys me because I don't wanna end up compromising on someone like Misty, but I will do it and my vote is there to say 'Misty, show up and be town or just die'. I have one or two reads I'm keeping to myself for now besides that.

I've been having trouble articulating my chara scumread, but 399 is the closest I came to talking about something scum-indicative it did, I think. Mostly I feel like "what can I do to look town?" is the motivating question behind its posts rather than "what do I think about this game?"

It's funny because one of the things I find most towny about mistyx is that she isn't forcing content when she doesn't need to. I'm not sure why, but her tone kinda convinces me that the reason she isn't really producing content is that she hasn't thought of much to say rather than it's against her win condition. I also doubt she rolled scum for the 6th time in a row or whatever, knowing she wouldn't be able to keep up her WIM, and wrote 12, but I guess there's a lot of wine there.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I'm willing to entertain your thoughts and would be on a Chara wagon with you. Is there anything else besides of that instance that you did not like, and how have you been reading others in relation to your (Chara) thought?

Nothing else on chara that I can articulate, no. I've mostly been getting back townreads with little explanation, which I haven't really pressed people on because I wouldn't know what to do with an explanation if I got one. It might be helpful to commit people to their reasoning at least, but maybe not now with so little time left in deadline.

-Inf

PEdit: lol we can try VOTE: chara

[Infinity Zero]

Well you were getting scumpings from me and now we're on a wagon together which is

Funny in hindsight

I wonder if my scumpings were from you kinda feeling out the gamestate and playing reactively, which is what scum tend to do especially on replacing in. It would be weird to try to pocket a hydra, but I guess that could be what's happening too.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: vax

Catboi, I don't think we're going to get an elim if we're too concerned about the "way the wagon forms"

[Infinity Zero]

Why?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Gamma really thinks A&M are town, and I townread them too. Yes we are avoiding voting there.

Nancy, can you gather some more thoughts on chara over the night phase?

Fair enough catboi

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

A&M

akara*

Y'all have got me using the objectively worse abbreviation

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Sure but but there’s nothing about her ISO that has pinged me. In fact, the converse, so I don’t understand what you’re seeing as scum indicative from her. I know you’ve explained but I’m not seeing it.

I'm gonna try to articulate my chara scumpings when I can, but you have to tell me why exactly you think chara is town. I think you're town and you seem to townread us so coming to an agreement about chara would be helpful.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

709 is an up-to-date VC

unwnd, what were you hoping to get out of your engagement of bob on the last page?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: Raya

Was Raya an actual SR or just an attempt for an alternative wagon?

i don't think Cards of Destiny is a

great

metric for my play, because i was definitely phoning it in for large swathes of that game. but i get what you're saying re: bob and Infinity.

i assumed bob was from another site, but his comment about not knowing me makes me wonder if he's an alt. i guess it doesn't really matter.

I'm guessing you were Kaname Date in that game?

VOTE: A and M

Finally a vote that's not trash.

You're wrong on that.

-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Don't like the tone of this either.

You are all completely right! Giving super compelling obviously factual statements like this in the form of cases is very valuable discussion and definitely helps. I'm learning so much here

congratulations! you found the least relevant part of the wall as a part to actually engage with. Could it be you're afraid to actually approach the wall in a manner that actually dignifies it, and are merely resorting to shade and shallow engagement?

a weak part of a different case

I think my point is I don't think there was a single thing in the "case" that wasn't similarly pointless and not evidence. So while I'm taking some easy comedy there is actually a point about Infinity's play hidden here somewhere. I'm having trouble working the other people who were like "I don't like bob lets vote bob" because it feels like it's not game related and simply disagreements with who I am.

But to get back to the relevant part - imagine you are Inifinit and you are being pushed by some person completely new to your site, they don't really offer reasons and you don't know what to do. Over a day and a hundred or so posts after dancing around the subject you gradually get to a public scumread. And then right after declaring you want to justify it to be different (and because it feels a bit awkward with the whole timing of scumreading someone scumreading you thing) and you feel like it's a bit awkward, so you want to have a case. Only, there's nothing real, so you post that waste of a wall.

Is that kind of "hey I need to do something to respond to this" feeling more likely to come from town or scum?

I'm not sure if this got through to you, but we're a hydra, which means there's two people interacting with you. Most of the content is from Infinity I'd say, but I (Gamma/Protocol) have some spots of posting as well. When you look at my posting exclusively (since I'm pretty diligent about tagging, and so is Infinity, it shouldn't be hard to puzzle that out), you'll see I came in and started to SR you without much established build-up. While that's potentially suspect, I don't think your appraisal of what motivated the case wall is entirely faithful to the things that happened on our end.
And I'll be clear that while the case was written pretty confidently, I'm in no way certain you're scum weller, I just wanted to put out a strong face and see how people handled that. I think Infinity may have stated this already, but Chara's response was kinda bad because there was holes in the case but I feel like rather than take it down, Chara wanted me to double down on it.

I think I just don't like Bob's playstyle. Not so much that I think he's scum. I honestly feel like scum would be a little more careful about their appearance. I'm going to back away from this slot for now

That seems sensible, but the degree to which weller has been obstinate about providing comprehensive positions feel like it could be deliberate in order to come across as stubborn town and/or implement a scum tactic of using his ornery personality as an excuse to not justify any of his reads. It's not certain rn but I don't want to write it off.

I put some explanation in my last post. I'm not one for quoting peoples post and writing words - I think the motivation behind several stances and posts has been that of scum, and I'd encourage you to reread some of their earlier posting

I coudn't read that post because I got distracted blaring red scum alarms going off in my head

. It's showy and fabricated and it feels so dispassionate about the bob wagon that I don't believe it really TRs bob. I need to talk to gamma because I'm not seeing chara and bob as scum together but chara needs to die

VOTE: chara

-Inf

PEdit: that was at 330

The bolded was probably the only thing I disliked because if you’re scumreading a slot, you should never not read that player’s post but other than that I’m not really sure what you’re referring to but I’ll re-ISO them. Gamma definitely needs to post more because I think I can better read him > Infinity.

I don't believe in NAI tbh

Why? This seems like an interesting point of conversation, and I feel like you engaging me on this might be worthwhile both to sort you and understand you on a deeper level.

-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I ISOed Vax and his ISO is decent, don't see why he got wagoned
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I would be down to cfd Chara
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: chara
Infinity doesn't have much faith in the Vax redflip and I feel like his sense on that sort of thing is good
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I was gonna say that the scumflip makes me more confident that a bunch of people on that wagon were town, but 827 is a good point. I'm not sure how scum bus d1, but I don't think raya and catboi are likely scum on the wagon. Raya because she was pretty widely townread, and earlier in the day I had voted catboi with the fact that raya was on the wagon as a major reason. It doesn't make a ton of sense to bus in that situation when you can use your towncred to push a miselim without a ton of accountability. Catboi looks good because 700 is kind of a townslip. Catboi was already voting vax at the time, and I'd think scum would remember if their vote was on a scum buddy, especially at that point in the game. Both me and gamma also strongly TR S&M on play. I think the soft is +town for chara, although it's sort of an odd time for town to soft. I'll talk to gamma about who we think is scum.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

How was 700 a townslip though?

Just that they were already voting vax and I'd expect a scumbuddy to remember that

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

once again pls back off of twins
I’m kinda drunk and might start going ballistic if y’all don’t stop pushing them

Btw I read through page 20 during night and will try to relay my thoughts on that soon
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I kinda want to FoS jjh if history repeats itself.

In the Booney large theme that just finished, Vaxkiller was voting a partner who was also on his wagon. This was even with another partner. There was also a separate scum on his wagon early.

So jjh/catboi (not both) and/or one of Raya/The Twins (not both).

Having one scum off entirely is not out of the question.

Based on votes alone, I would speculate jjh and the twins with catboi in a close second.

I think most of these suspects you’re listing are town if not all
Also I think the NK kinda incriminates you
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I was actually just asking you about this. I don't see how this makes the twins town

don't think they pop in to keep momentum going on twins if twins is their partner

It's an easy way to distance

At the time, there was a very real possibility that akara would get limmed I think

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Mistyx, why did you neve vote vax?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Do you agree that jjh and catboi are not scum together? Same for Raya and the twins?

Raya and the twins I guess, though I hard TR both of them
jjh and catboi maybe? I haven’t really dived into associatives outside of chara/weller
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

this was the catboi/vax stuff

That looks quite solid imo
‘specially how Vax called out catboi seeming disappointed to find Vax town
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

When Chara confirms obvious we are basically masons and you can trust thay when one of us flips since we get full role PM flips

I don't get why scum couldn't fakeclaim this?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Scum did fake claim oblivious and got it wrong

I mean, vax clearly didn't have a fakeclaim prepared, and didn't have time to be coached on it, if that's what you mean

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

What I'm saying is that vax didn't have time to ask for help.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Wouldn't Unwnd's death incriminate the Twins and Mistyx?
I thought someone said Titus but I'm not seeing that

My thinking is someone who had sizable experwince with town!unwnd is scum here
Which from an objective viewpoint would point to me (Gamma) and Titus, and from my POV that kinda leaves Titus as prime suspect (unless Vaxkiller left a strong argument for killing unwnd in the scum PT before getting limmed)
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

He was also very busy with work at the time

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

it would be right there to read in the PT

Mods don't always put all the role pms in the PT. It's very possible that fakeclaims were PMed to the individual scum members, and they didn't feel the need to share them with each other in advance, and vax didn't use his because he wanted to claim a more powerful role or something.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I think the only other major suspect I can find for scum based on the unwnd NK is Mistyx kinda
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

it would be right there to read in the PT

Mods don't always put all the role pms in the PT. It's very possible that fakeclaims were PMed to the individual scum members, and they didn't feel the need to share them with each other in advance, and vax didn't use his because he wanted to claim a more powerful role or something.

-Inf

Okay well counterpoint I'm not a moron and always post my role pm in the PT

And yet you’re a brick wall any time you’re asked to explain a read
zzzzzzzzzz
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Honestly I'd find it odd that vax would claim oblivious without any of his teammates roles or fakeclaims having oblivious. It's a weird thing to pull out of nowhere. It's possible that he knew one of his teammates had an oblivious fakeclaim but not what it did, or he decided to claim that oblivious did something different for whatever reason, not knowing there were other oblivious users in the game.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Brick walls are strong

Pedit lmfao

strong pain in the ass, more like it
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE COUNT 2 . 16

• Smoke and Mirrors
  ---- 2 ( Catboi, Twins Akari and Mara )
  
  Twins Akari and Mara
  - 1 ( Titus )
  
  Chara
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Wellermanbob
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Mistyx
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Titus
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Catboi
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Raya36
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Red
  ------------------ 0 ( No One )
  
  jjh927
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Infinity Zero
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ----------- 8 ( Mistyx, Chara, Wellermanbob, Smoke and Mirrors, Red, Jjh927, Infinity Zero, Raya36 )

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-17 20:01:00)

Cool, insane people are votung us. Insane meaning specifically people with crazy reads. I’m looking forward to the explanation for this read.

OH HELL NO.

VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors
-Gamma Emerald. I take personal issue with this post, so I’m tagging with my username vs. my flavor tag.

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: chara
Infinity doesn't have much faith in the Vax redflip and I feel like his sense on that sort of thing is good
-Protocol

What's the point in switching to Chara when there's 3 minutes left?

this does seem like a really weird thing to do that close to deadline. i'd assume Gamma knew at this point about plurality, too.

Yeah I was aware of plurality. Were I not I would have worked to ensure hammer on Vax. I wanted a different person to flip, not no one to flip at all.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I don’t make this post as scum. I was also down with Vax.

Help me reconcile that post with Cards of Destiny. I recall I said very similar things that game towards you, and you chewed me up and spit me out. I don’t think you’re clueless or hypocritical enough to use an argument that would piss you off if it was used against you, so I think you’re scum.
-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

Where’s the disconnect, then?
I’m not hard locked on Nancy being scum but I’d like the alternate explanation for what I’m seeing.
-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

i feel like i can see exactly where the misunderstanding is here but i don't think it's bad to let you two discuss it a little.

That’s cool, and I’m open to that
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I lean on it being Gamma/NM now. I scum read FL because I found a lot of evidence of him either wanting to or talking about utilizing quick hammers as scum.
With minimal evidence of him wanting to do it as town, when I should have found 3x as many instances of town him doing it.

But his role made him want to be on the wagon so I sorta get it?

This is why we’re dying tonight because Gamma doesn’t want us to reveal the most likely positive result we’re likely to get on him.

I’m only saying if game doesn’t end. I only think FL could be scum here if game doesn’t end after NM/Gamma flips. Can you unvote please? Auro will probably give his thought tomorrow. He can’t today, :/

Please someone - anyone unvote?

Thanks.

~M

Maybe don’t jump to fucking conclusions because it looks like the past 5 pages is you screaming about me being partnered with NM (after having reasoned D&D wouldn’t have positioned their buddy like they did with me btw), the reason I’m “floundering” is because I honestly don’t know how to not look tied to NM at this stage of the game. Investigate me, fuck it! At least then I won’t have to deal with you acting like it’s this obvious thing when it’s really not.
Also, if NM is scum, either after I’m cleared or after you vote me off D3 because

VMP died to frame me,

look into jjh and BEF, and any others who tried to pin me to NM, they should not be trusted imo.

Say what? Did you literally just accuse me of “dying to frame you”? Um like hello, I don’t actually die unless scum freaking tries to you know, actually KILL me and protectives don’t save me. Is this an actual scumclaim here? You’re defacto CONFIRMING that I will be tonight’s scum kill? Lolwut?

How ‘bout it @FL, do you think this might qualify for post of the year or what? Lmfaoooo

~Mars

Are you stupid? Now that you’ve put this massive target here do you think scum won’t try to frame me by killing you? You’re the one who is confirming that you’re the kill with this nonsense.

@Nancy

I fail to see a substantial difference between this post and the one I reacted to when I voted you, beyond the fact mine was directly at one person alone and yours was at a group.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Okay, just lost my townread on you.

Uh huh. Oh really.

-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Tbh I don’t even know why we’re fussing about whether I knew plurality is a thing because

all that’s really been said on it is “it’s weird”

. And either way, I tried to get people to switch off the Vax wagon for chara. Does my knowledge of plurality really affect the optics of that?
But in all seriousness, I saw the post about plurality, in the post preview window iirc. Why do I attempt to deliberately prevent a majority lim as scum there, tbh? In Among Us mafia I hard pressed two scum for their hammer sitting D1. There’s no way scum!me expects to prevent a maj lim D1 and get away with it.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Yeah my vote’s not moving. I gave a window of opportunity and Nancy opted to sprint into the wall right next to it. When I tried to confer with her about my misgivings she ignored me in favor of getting into shut fights with others. Revoking townreads because someone suspects you is not okay, and she’s continuing to make arguments I don’t believe town!her ever makes.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Tbh I don’t even know why we’re fussing about whether I knew plurality is a thing because

all that’s really been said on it is “it’s weird”

. And either way, I tried to get people to switch off the Vax wagon for chara. Does my knowledge of plurality really affect the optics of that?
But in all seriousness, I saw the post about plurality, in the post preview window iirc. Why do I attempt to deliberately prevent a majority lim as scum there, tbh? In Among Us mafia I hard pressed two scum for their hammer sitting D1. There’s no way scum!me expects to prevent a maj lim D1 and get away with it.
-Protocol

i don't know if this is directed at me, but i'm not fussing about plurality. my point remains largely the same whether you knew or not.

Okay. What is your point?
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

You are attacking people’s intelligence because they are calling you scum Nancy. If someone did that to you you’d be on them like butter on toast. Until you can progress past that and acknowledge your wrongdoing there’s no reconciliation possible here imo.
-Gamma

[Infinity Zero]

You are attacking people’s intelligence because they are calling you scum Nancy. If someone did that to you you’d be on them like butter on toast. Until you can progress past that and acknowledge your wrongdoing there’s no reconciliation possible here imo.
-Gamma

Yes, it’s not very nice because I’m pissed, so maybe I deserve it but no way in hell does that ever make me scum and you of all people should know that. So, I guess you’ve got me back for CoD now. I hope this ends it.

VOTE: Titus
While I’m not entirely satisfied with this response, it’s enough to show you’re cognizant of my issue, so now it can be talked over post-game.
I feel like your Vax/Titus/Mistyx theory actually holds a good amount of weight rn, with how out of place it was when Mistyx townbinned Titus.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.

This just doesn’t sound right
This is 100% a position scum can exploit to craft a narrative
And rn Titus seems like the scum doing just that
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

If Vax acts the same way, his wagon makeup is the same. That means an early busser who did next to nothing like Bell.

This just doesn’t sound right
This is 100% a position scum can exploit to craft a narrative
And rn Titus seems like the scum doing just that
-Protocol

VCA is all about crafting a narrative.

#facepalm

There’s plenty going into how someone reacts. They can also deliberately react in a certain way to throw people off if they try to do what you’re doing. Your VCA doesn’t have this much lack of nuance. This feels nothing like you in Cinder Blocks.

[Infinity Zero]

No. I voted you for toxicity.

Tbf I did the same (though I did misread the toxicity as scum-indicative at first)
But I tried to find a way to work past it whilst you are blathering on about it.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

He’d probably deathtunel me if it weren’t for Gamma.

Please stop this, my personal reasons to TR you are in the thread and you're holding a grudge

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Oblivious doesn't do what Vax said in the games either, which is what i was referring to. i expected that nothing would be 1 to 1 but i found it odd when my own role pm is accurate to the games. i was vague about it because i wanted to see if Vax would correct, i think.

In the games, oblivious makes a pokemon immune to attraction, and attraction probably isn't in this game.

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

I find it interesting no one is talking about red

I still feel like chara is >rand scum but I have nothing to really back this up
Yeah it could've said that it was oblivious to be "cleared" but if it ended up having to claim before bob does then it's kinda screwed

VOTE: mistyx gamma SRs this slot and she's in my PoE. Titus feels town from the last few pages. Old meta on titus says her making sense is a scumtell, I'm not sure whether it still holds up but somehow I doubt it completely flipped.

S&M super obvious town

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Do you still think I'm wrong about chara given 1079?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Despite my gloating, I agree with mistyx that we shouldn't discuss this until chara claims

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Mistyx, why do you TR titus? The reasons you were townbinning people didn't feel like they were strong enough for this point in the game, but idk. Also did you ever find the stuff that made you TR jjh?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Do you think raya kills unwnd when she's his strongest TR? I feel like that's not a very wine-susceptible argument since people focus more on the SRs of the dead player and not the TRs

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Why is jjh obvtown?

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

VOTE: chara

[Infinity Zero]

No I wasn't in that game

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

*shrug*

Same thing just happened in Open 802. Caught scum, people said I was wrong. Said scum won.

It's probably just jjh and the twins.

After I flip town, jjh will go after gamma.
The twins will lurk.

I think I may have possibly voted Titus because she really hurt my feelings and I try not to let that influence my vote.

IZ is super obvious town btw. So, this makes me question my Titus scumread.

Infinity thinks Mistyx is more likely scum than Titus and apparently Chara was guiltied so Titus might be town, but I feel like she handled you very differently to how I did.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

JJH is trying to eliminate two loud town posters here in addition to shade my work and reads.

Infinity is loud sure, but after your asectic claim you're largely a non-presence.

I locked myself out of this account for a good Portion of d1 but when I logged in, I was far more influential than you are so I have no clue to how you get off at calling me a lurker. I didn't egen get a sense that you scum-read my slot until I became a viable wagon at deadline, and now that I was once one maybe I will be one today?

I feel like that is where you may be going with current line of reason.

Further more, while you're accusing jjh of doing that's you're trying to knock Nancy down a peg because she dares to voice her opinions and is one of the more influential people of today?

I’m assuming this is Akarin
Who are your strong TRs rn?
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I really hope Mistyx is town because Nancy's being toxic.

Being scum against her would be a cakewalk.

I honestly don’t know if I can even play anymore because of this. :/

This tracks w/ what happened in CoD, one of my comments there was the exact thing in the second line of Titus’ post
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Cards of Destiny
yeah it can get confusing and I apologize for that, but it’s much easier to use shorthand with how much meta I use at times
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Gamma can you talk with me about your read on me

About this, while I’m here, Inf commented to me you don’t seem as excited to have rolled town as you state you are, and I agree with that, and despite the amount of flaking on you I’ve done I think our hydra attempts have shown you are more driven as town than as scum
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I don't recall that game.

That’s because you weren’t in it
The people here who were in it are me, Nancy+Pooky, jjh, and Chara (if I’ve interpreted right)
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

I find it interesting no one is talking about red

I still feel like chara is >rand scum but I have nothing to really back this up
Yeah it could've said that it was oblivious to be "cleared" but if it ended up having to claim before bob does then it's kinda screwed

VOTE: mistyx gamma SRs this slot and she's in my PoE. Titus feels town from the last few pages. Old meta on titus says her making sense is a scumtell, I'm not sure whether it still holds up but somehow I doubt it completely flipped.

S&M super obvious town

-Inf

can you ask gamma to talk me through his read on me

To dive a bit deeper:
When I read through page 20 overnight I had you in my weaker SR tier for the aforementioned reasons. Then today Mistyx posted a read list I felt made no sense and townbinned the wrong people. I’ll admit I’ve made mispushes over TRs I’ve perceived as uncalled for, but a) Mistyx isn’t Akarin (the person I pushed in the past over that) and isn’t known to me as having an ability to TR limbait effectively and b) there’s the previous issue of seeming disengaged when imo he shouldn’t be.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Wow I'm gonna have to go and reread day 1 for evolving reads none of this today content feels relevant lmao

This feels valid
A good chunk of today is emotionally-driven conflict
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

one i am not a he

second i'm not really disengaged? i was for part of d1 but i think i've been relatively engaged today

who do you think i townread incorrectly?

Sorry, it’s hard because I was close to you when you used the Chemist account and so I’m stuck on your old pronouns
You seem a little more active today but I feel like weighting the early pings over the later ones might be the smart thing here for me personally
I think you townblocked Titus out-of-turn, while raya who I felt like was a valid townblock choice was in your limpool
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Again, old titus meta tells me that not making sense is a towntell for her. Not sure how up to date that is, but I doubt it completely flipped around

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

Titus
Catboi
Raya36
Smoke and Mirrors
Red
Jjh927
Infinity Zero
Twins Akari and Mara

removed self, dead players, chara/wellerman

removing titus/catboi/jjh/twins gives us

raya/s&m/red/infinity

i like that list tbh

If Red actually has some kind of cop guilty on Chara, I could then see a Vax/Chara/Mistyx team here.

Chara and Mistyx were my lowest reads after I did my N1 reading so them being scum would make me happy
-Protocol
@Mara, no, she was Chemist1422

[Infinity Zero]

We just let it resolve anyway, if Red doesn't retract then either Chara is mafia or he is.

This is what I’m thinking
Unless Red speaks up to the effect of Chara’s claim making the guilty moot or smth I’m fine staying on Chara
-Protocol
PEdit: okay then

[Infinity Zero]

@mod, probably silly question but do scum have fake claims?

No.

Wow, then that claim is super impressive. Chara’s lack of an emotional reaction to Red’s guilty is interesting. If someone were to ever fake a guilty on me - has only ever happened on MU before - I will definitely make them regret it but I’m obviously not Chara but in that specific MU game, I pretty much gave the scum who tried to push through a fake guilty on me no choice but to completely retract it.

However, as Raya says, I think Red’s guilty is probably legit, plus Chara seems much too chill for a townie with a fake guilty on them.

Yeah
Town!Chara should have at least pressed for more info first imo
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Ugh, I don't want to read up.

Red claimed a guilty on Chara?

Red had his bullshit push on me.

Strongly in favor of a Red lim by play.

I know strategically never eliminate the guilter before the guilty though.

While I am like 99.9% sure jjh is scum, it should be asked though...any chance of S v S?

I don’t think SvS likely for Red and Chara
The lim was settling between you and Mistyx when Red outed the guilty
-Protocol
Btw can I just state I love how the creepypasta gimmick makes the guilty look? Like DAMN, Red NAILED his aesthetic.

[Infinity Zero]

why raya, and why not titus?

i had titus as town because the way she handled her claim felt pro-town, plus her push on perfume felt internally consistent

i also liked her vote on vax

Tbf I had Titus in my lower TR tier
But I felt like townbinning her was too much atp
Meanwhile Raya’s Vax vote was one Infinity quickly pegged as town and I felt good about her contributions from what I read. So if you liked Titus’ vote you should have liked Raya’s too. Nancy was calling out Titus for playing in a way that suggested she needed to push specific miselims but I think your PoE was too wide and that suggests you’re trying to leave more miselim options open.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

also i want the record to show that i'm currently fourth in postcount

so anyone saying i'm lurking is just wrong

Never said that.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

also titus was literally in my lower TRs as well

1118

Titus
Catboi
Raya36
Smoke and Mirrors
Red
Jjh927
Infinity Zero
Twins Akari and Mara

removed self, dead players, chara/wellerman

removing titus/catboi/jjh/twins gives us

raya/s&m/red/infinity

i like that list tbh

This was the PoE I took issue with
If you just failed to make it clear Titus wasn’t as strong a TR as the other that would make things better ime
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

who am i wrong on in my townreads

I don’t think your TR’s are wrong
Doesn’t make you not scum though
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

While I can’t speak for myself in an objective sense, Nancy is obvtown, I can see how she reads me as obvtown, and Raya is obvtown. That leaves Red as the only possible scum in your PoE and I highly doubt the living team is red/chara because why guilty your partner when town are the main pushes besides maybe fancy play syndrome?
And like, to be more clear I have no problem with the TRs on Titus/catboi/jjh/twins rn, but the chara/weller removal doesn’t really click with me.
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

maybe its just red/chara both scum

Why would Red bus his buddy with a fakeclaim, especially a player that prior to the guilty claim, almost everyone was townreading?

haha fps go brrr

I already mentioned that, nice try pal
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

It’s reaching imo
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Me and Inf think it’s definitely Chara + one of Mistyx/Titus
Why does Mistyx not being obvscum make her town?
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

How much has Pooky posted so far? @S&M
I don’t think it matters much since you’re already obvtown but he’s feeling a bit invisible like in Betrayal
Though in that game I just legit forgot who the non-skitter person was, here I can’t tell if Pooky is posting at all
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Again, just because someone isn’t obvious scum doesn’t make them town
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Nothing that mistyx is doing is making me SR her, but I don't get why as town she is only putting in effort when 1 scum is down and another is guiltied. If she's scum she really believes that she's caught for the wrong reasons, which I'd agree with.

Mistyx, idk if it's helpful for you for me to answer this, but I think there's a reasonable chance you're wrong on jjh or twins. Like yeah, there are things that are kinda townspewy that vax said about them but it's not really enough to clear them imo. Especially compared to someone like S&M, who I can't really articulate my read on but who I think is bleeding town. The way she's approaching this read on you, I can't see a world where she doesn't believe it, and earlier in the game she was putting in a lot of effort to try and sort bob despite really not getting his playstyle, which felt super towny to me and gamma. I'm not sure who the last scum is, but yeah I don't think it's S&M or red (assuming chara is scum) cause it's unlikely that he bussed his only partner. You don't even have to respond to this if you don't find it helpful, but those are my thoughts on why you're PoE wasn't the best from my perspective and maybe from others'.

-Inf

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It's not that your PoE had specific townreads that were wrong, it's more that I think it needed to go through some iteration, i.e. move S&M and raya up to TRs, then re-evaluate because you have too many TRs. And it's not scummy that you didn't do that necessarily, since you explained your reasoning, but it was why I disagreed with it.

Also, I know you're going to say that you're worried about losing since you think red/chara could be T/T, which is fine, I just think that in general it's +scum to have a lot of WIM in this particular gamestate and not earlier.

-Inf

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How much has Pooky posted so far? @S&M
I don’t think it matters much since you’re already obvtown but he’s feeling a bit invisible like in Betrayal
Though in that game I just legit forgot who the non-skitter person was, here I can’t tell if Pooky is posting at all
-Protocol

He told me he /inned in this game for the gifs and told me if we hydra’d that’s pretty much what he intended to do. He confirmed that to me when I asked him if he was going to do anything but post gifs. I actually expected the game to be about that - similar to Alisae’s meme game. He is helping me out with the mech stuff which I still don’t understand.

I think I’m chill with this
Also thanks Pooky for acknowledging me directly as well
-Protocol

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Misty doesn't have that bad a take on the game

As a bonus, scum!Misty here would benefit a lot more from fitting in with the commonplace worldview

This makes sense to me
But the second post only really applies if Mistyx is right about red/chara TvT
-Protocol

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Nancy, your right to be townread is not, like, constitutionally protected or anything.

-Inf

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Honestly what’s most concerning about Mistyx’s handling of the gamestate is she’s attempting to tie the red and chara slots together
If they’re TvS (which I’m thinking rn) that doesn’t look great imo
-Protocol

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I haven't played a pokemon game through since the original game boy ones, which one should I play

depends on what you're looking for

generally emerald and platinum are considered to be some of the strongest in terms of gameplay
x and y are good if you want something easy
black/white and the sequels are good if you want to play something with a strong story

The Unova games offer a good set of options imo. If you want a fresh experience or a good story, the original Black and White are probably the choice for you. If you want a more comprehensive game or something that calls back to the previous generations a lot, Black 2/White 2 definitely work better.
Beyond that I agree X and Y are good easy options and Emerald/Platinum are good challenging-yet-fulfilling picks, though idk whether you’ve got the systems + potentially the spare cash for those since DS and before Pokemon games aren’t cheap iirc. For an additional rec, if you’ve had experience with the Kanto/Johto/Hoenn region games and want to re-experience them there’s decent options, though the Heartgold and Soulsilver games have serious after-market price increase issues (at least through GameStop)
/rant
-Protocol

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Anyway, I think the whole Chara-Red thing is pretty cool and all, but also we're probably gonna hear more about the guilty by the end of the day phase

I’m hoping so.
-Protocol

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Implying I'm not pirating these things

How dare you.
-PR0T0C0L
(I’m not actually mad, I just wanted to show off a song I like, pretty sure you were joking)

[Infinity Zero]

Pookachu!

-Inf

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^ that brings back memories.

And I'm pretty sure we can't end the day early since it's plurality

-Inf

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^ that brings back memories.

And I'm pretty sure we can't end the day early since it's plurality

-Inf

it's that owner's market blitz again lol
-Protocol

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What does voting JJ do

Keeps my vote on scum fmpov.

My vote is utterly worthless, so I might as well vote jj.

You don’t believe the guilty?
-Protocol

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Hi I don't have much motivation for this game and gamma is busy.

Chara paralyzed us N1 since we lost 2 attack, so that should semi-clear us

So we should probably claim last

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

We're boltund. Our ability is strong jaw (using a move gives us +1 attack). Our move is nuzzle, which can paralyze an enemy pokemon or player. We paralyzed our enemy n1, and I'm an idiot and forgot to submit an action n2.

-Inf

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Hey I wasn't keeping track of things during night phase and lost track of this, what's going on
-Protocol

[Infinity Zero]

Mistyx - Absol, lowers defense, unevadable attacks, attack boost
Titus - Azurill, doubles damage, choose not to fight, commutes
Wellermanbob - Wailmer, vig shot after 3 battles
Catboi - Skitty, opponent loses 1 attack, forms neighborhood
Raya36 - Rockruff, attacks can't be evaded, initiates battle if targeted player isn't targeting Raya
Smoke and Mirrors - Pikachu, 50% chance targeter paralyzed
Jjh927 - Slakoth, Truant ability
Infinity Zero - Boltund, strong jaw, can paralyze a target
Twins Akari and Mara - Togedemaru, tackle, 1-shot bulletproof

oh this works
-Protocol

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Titus/Mistyx was my leaning a while ago, maybe a fresh look will give some new insight
-Protocol

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vax+chara post make me feel like titus could be the partner, chara especially pokes at people calling the titus claim towny while townreading titus
mistyx feels not so much like a chara partner
-Protocol

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Who should I nuzzle tonight? I want to hit someone who we won't lim tomorrow (to give us an extra chance to block a kill) but who is in the limpool

I literally have no idea who scum is

-Inf

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It's a roleblock.

-Inf

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Per NAR, commuting comes before roleblocking.

-Inf

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Though it's not technically a roleblock.

@Mod: Could paralysis stop a theoretical commuting ability that could be in the game?

-Inf

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Me nuzzling someone could complicate the no kill scenarios but that sounds like a plan.

-Inf

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I don't particularly want to elim jjh, but I think gamma would object to voting twins here

I think no matter what scum did a weird bus, but I'm not sure whether scum is more likely on vax or chara d1

-Inf

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VOTE: twins

-Inf

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I think no matter what scum did a weird bus

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Mara I don't really get how you're making this argument while saying jjh kept his vote on his scumbuddy vax since page 6 and vax hardbussed him back.

-Inf

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Chara roleblocked us yeah

-Inf

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I'm thinking it's between JJ/Twins. If not then maybe Mistyx?

Who's clear again? Infinity and I thought I saw that Bob is too?

Well since we were actually attacked wouldn’t that clear us?

How do we know you were attacked? I don't think you're scum by any means, but I don't think you're cleared

-Inf

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Pooky claimed it and jjh referenced that post and apparently connected the dots to the twins doing it.

Theoretically it could be a fakeclaim, but sure.

-Inf

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I'm very confused because we got the notification that we lost 2 attack from chara's roleblock by PM.

-Inf

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I just reqlized something

In theoretical scenario where I'm scum here how do I target pooky and kill red

How does anyone target S&M and kill red?

Are S&M just scum here?

UNVOTE:

-Inf

[Infinity Zero]

You may use all actions you have access to unless stated otherwise

Ok the multitask thing is fine

I'm still confused why nancy can't find a PM

-Inf

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Yeah the game was pretty close to a mech solve no matter what

gg, perfect town win!

-Inf