Newbie 2047: Eggskalon - Game Over

[muh316]

First

[muh316]

VOTE: Not_Mafia, it's always the ones that deny it.

[muh316]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Given this entry, I'll stay firm on my RVS vote.

Although, let's be careful not to put Not_Mafia at E-1. We don't want an accidental elim.

[muh316]

Quick RQS

1. Approximately how many games of FM have you played?
(Here or elsewhere included, rough estimate)

2. What time zone are you from?
(Helpful for coming together as town when needed)

3. What’s your favorite animal?
(This one’s just for fun kek)

1. Around 20+ games all at MafiaScum. However I've played these over the span of 11 years so I'm not as experienced as you may think.
2. Central US
3. Cats

[muh316]

Why not vote paopao if his line seemed overly self aware to you?

Besides being a scum, there's is another possibility.

Seems like rolefishing here

the only thing i can possibly think of is role stuff maybe... but it hasnt been night phase yet... i think they're just on a different level then me

its okay ninetails i trust

you'll do the townie thing.

More possible rolefishing here. Could also be scum pocketing here calling Ninetails a townie.

VOTE: Marcistar
It's still early in the day but there's some things that seem suspicious here. First of all there's this contradiction

1. i've played a couple of mafia games, though i only remember using an actual forum once before and i sucked at it i got voted out for lurking

i usually like to talk a lot because then i have more posts from forcing other people to talk to me that i could use to judge them on,

How were you voted out for lurking if you also talk a lot?

Then there's three posts in the span of 30 minutes 48 49 59 all giving off the newbie vibe which could either be genuine or acting as newbtown.

Lol, haha, I get it, probably better not to right now, actually

It's not helping the town if you're hiding your thoughts.

[muh316]

i really just didnt understand what ninetales was saying, but if me not understanding something and asking about it seems scummy to u guys just vote me out.

If you're town, your goal is to to help the town by not getting eliminated and instead push other players. Asking players to vote you out isn't helping us.

[muh316]

Not_Mafia is really pro-town.Everyone should trust him.
VOTE: Not_mafia

Sarcasm or RVS?

[muh316]

How do you go from one of these to the other here? This is just blatant opportunism, and I really don't like the reasoning. The idea that a newbie scum player is going to immediately attempt to rolefish is absurd, that's not a strategy most newer scum players are aware of, let alone one that most would attempt to do early. This is ascribing a buzzword wikitell to what is much more likely confused newbie town. Further, I don't really buy seeing a marci/ninetales team at all, newbscum rarely interact the way those two have. Most newbie scum tend to be very cautious about interacting with their partner, and there's none of that in how they speak to each other. I don't like this post at all.

VOTE: Chumbo

Getting a town vibe from this post, especially the last part about newbie scum partners which seems accurate.

@muh & LoneMarkhor: no response to 78 addressing your concern with the apparent contradiction?

It's an excuse that I can't verify the validity of. However, she finally has a substantive post with good reads in it which I like.

I'll UNVOTE: Marcistar for now. The recent post is adding townie points for her and I don't want someone at E-1 this early in the day.

[muh316]

VOTE: Not_Mafia Given that you're the SE, you've only been coming on here once a day with no real substance. After your initial post I thought we would see something, but have yet to see it. Seems like prod dodging to me at this point.

Fyi: This is

E-1

, however one of the votes on Not_Mafia is a self-vote which I expect should be unvoted soon

[muh316]

This feels extremely fake and try hard for page 5. If this is normal here, feel free to ignore me but I have never seen such detailed reads on page 5 and just a single glance at them makes me feel like they are forced.

Reads aren't a bad thing.

Well if reads lists are normal around here then it feels like Ninetales wanted to shade me and devalue my read that they’re scum. Does anybody else feel like that’s what happened?
VOTE: Ninetales

That's a bit of a reach to me. It could be coming from being new to this site though. Also, why didn't you vote ninetales initially even though they are your top scumread? You voted after Ninetales' reaction to your read list.

[muh316]

VOTE: muh316

OMGUS I'm assuming. Care to add any more substance?

[muh316]

So nobody else thinks not_mafia is scum?

MOD: Is there some kind of rule that one scum is always SE or is it completely random?

I have a vote on Not_Mafia so I obviously am scumleaning. However, it seems like my vote hasn't done anything to produce results. I looked into Not_Mafia's meta and it all seems like one liners and the same overall theme that we're seeing in this game. I'm guessing we're not getting much of that slot even if we pressure them.

[muh316]

Sorry for the inactivity, I have a lot less time on the weekdays because of work. I'm probably going to have to do a re-read here so I can get some reads and bring up the activity. I'll also work on a reads list either today or tomorrow.

Mod, any prods? I see a couple of folks here over the 36 hour threshold.

[muh316]

I don't know how scum would act on here, but isnt inactives usually seen as more sus? I don't think both scum would be doing super inactive style.. one would have to talk a bit more in able blend in..

Lurkers could have scum. So far we have Not_Mafia as the prime lurker in this game.

[muh316]

VOTE: Marcistar

My scum read on Marcistar is the strongest. Here are my reasons:

1) They have a lot of useless and contentless posts also excess amount of emojis(not sure if this actually means anything but I thought I'd mention it). I couldn't post this post because it went over the maximum number of emojis. I had to delete half of them and half of them were these : . This ties in to point 4) a little bit.
2) They have a lot of confusion that feels over. They seem so confused that I feel the confusion is fake. (I didn't include the confusion at the beginning about votes and titles but I also felt those were a little over but they seemed not terrible since Marcistar is new)
3) slight pocketing. they do this to nearly everyone.
4) They keep saying "just vote me"
I think of this as a form of guilt tripping.
5) They have no clear stances. mostly just "think person could be scum"

I don't think 1 is alignment indicative and seems more like a personality trait to me. It's hard to confirm since she has no Meta in this game. But the rest of the points are valid.

How is any of that stuff supposed to be scummy?

VOTE: Ninetales

This doesn't make sense to me. Seems like whiteknighting or pocketing. I understand OMGUS if you're voted, but an OMGUS vote because somebody voted a player you feel is towny just doesn't feel right to me.

If she's the scum then her partner would be catboi as the reason why I think he's town is that if he was scum he would have have rather hammered her to seem town but instead defended her.

This is WIFOM so your town reasoning for catboi doesn't really make sense here. Also, a quick hammer on D1 regardless of who it is is always considered suspicious.

VOTE: donkihott

I had issues/lingering suspicion of paopao already but what a gross entry. What about her AtE is "cringe" and why is it vote-worthy?

And another whiteknight/pocket vote. I'm quoting these as I read the game, and I was genuinely surprised to see catboi do another one of these OMGUS votes in favor of marci.

I like not-mafia's playstyle so far ahah I wish he is town and survives as long as possible to see how he plays.

I disagree

[muh316]

I don't really like muh316's 26, mostly because I don't see how the selfvote on page 1 is supposed to be scummy.

I didn't mean to call the selfvote scummy, I wanted to quote the large rainbow text but felt that everyone would have to see that eyesore again so I left it out.

I don't like muh promising to work on a reads list in 158 and not delivering.

It's New Years, I needed some time off, but now I have a chance to get in some activity.

I know there's a bunch of other things in 189, but not much for me to respond to there.

[muh316]

I would have townread this if you didn't do something similar in the last game too. Claiming was an accident last time but I'm skeptical if it was again. What is it with you and masons?

Could you elaborate what you mean by this?

[muh316]

Reads, they aren't in a particular order

Towny: Chumbo, Pickles
Nuetral: Not_Mafia, Ninetales, donkihott
Scum Lean: Catboi, Marci, LoneMarkhor

Marci for obvious reasons.
Catboi for even more obvious reasons.
LoneMarkhor for the confusion in reads and WIFOM. Seems like an attempt to confuse the town with the back and forth switching and I sense some urgency here to get an elimination.

Night is almost to come so we must choose a person to eliminate which means scum get a free kill.

VOTE: LoneMarkhor

[muh316]

I am a goon
I know I was a townread but masons thing made me scummy.

I don't really know what to make of this...
scumslip?

[muh316]

This doesn't make sense to me. Seems like whiteknighting or pocketing. I understand OMGUS if you're voted, but an OMGUS vote because somebody voted a player you feel is towny just doesn't feel right to me.

Because I disagree with the reasoning and think it might be coming from scum? Isn't that, like, the whole point of the game?

The tone I'm getting from your two most recent votes are both reactionary and just seems like you want to go against whoever is targeting Marci.

[muh316]

Well since, you want to pressure people for the deadline, okay. Claim
VOTE: catboi

Id prefer the claim after there’s intent to hammer.

[muh316]

Inmteresting, I'm reading and I see you going on with similar taunting but it's all directed at your partner as distancing.

Who's the partner in this case?

[muh316]

I didn't really see a good reason to claim here. Given that we still have almost 2 full days and a possible Pickles replacement, we still had time to adjust.

[muh316]

Reads are pretty much the same. I'm still hesitant to eliminate you since the biggest case against you is the hard-defending of Marci which I'm still unsure of as a reason to eliminate. However given that you've already claimed, it makes it easier for me to vote you out since you're either VT or Scum.

If you flip town, I would suspect donkihott for the opportunisic vote and Lone (by proccess of elimination).
If you flip scum, there's definitely going to be eyes on Marci, possibly Not_Mafia.

If Lone flips town, I would move on to you for a D2 elim.
If Lone flips scum, I wouldn't necessary have scumreads as I would have townreads on certain people.

[muh316]

Catboi if you vote lone I will declare intent

What's with the last minute change of heart?

[muh316]

What reason was there to expect any sort of adjustment?

A replacement could have given us a fresh perspective on the game. I've seen wagons completely change in the last few hours of a game when a strong case is presented.

[muh316]

Catboi if you vote lone I will declare intent

What's with the last minute change of heart?

I think catboi is town and would prefer a lone elim

I don't remember who he is

So you preferred to eliminate someone who you hadn't even bothered to take a look at during that point in time.

[muh316]

i dont like this muh, dont vt lives matter too? we cant just eliminate every vt we come across because then mafia would have an upper hand. This makes it seem like you wouldn't mind doing that..?

Statistically speaking town does better when there's an elimination rather than a no-elim. It seems counterproductive but there's more info on that here https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... limination

[muh316]

I don't townread catboi like you, so from my point of view, the best case scenario is we catch scum. Worst case scenario is we lose a vanilla role.

Now if catboi had claimed to be something like a cop or jailkeeper, then they're either the most valuable role in the game or scum. That choice is a lot harder to make.

[muh316]

what did you think of the claim

In my opinion, the claim was completely unnecessary. It's WIFOM to me since it could be scumCatboi trying a desperate appeal to emotion before getting eliminated or townCatboi genuinely frustrated. That's why I'm not taking it to be alignment indicative.

[muh316]

you dont want it to be alignment indicative, but dont you think if scum was trying to appeal it would feel dirtier then if town was trying to appeal?

I don't know what you mean by a claim feeling dirtier.

[muh316]

me and catboi have been "scum buddies" according to most people, for a long ass time and lone was also getting attacked by me and pickles (i think its the only big motion thing other then me and catboi??) i thought an se can make better reads? but you're just coasting along right?

Just because my reads align with others doesn't mean I'm coasting. I was away during New Years and that's when the two big wagons of the game developed. What "better reads" did you hope for? What better reads have the other two SE in this game made so far?

[muh316]

I still want donkihott

I actually agree with you for a change!

I think donkihott's votes have been opportunistic and scummy. For example, let's look at the initial vote on catboi.

Well since, you want to pressure people for the deadline, okay. Claim
VOTE: catboi

This vote came around 2-3 days before the deadline asking for a claim. Donkihott saw a wagon being formed and jumped on it immediately.

Why did you claim without "intent to hammer", as you said you will wait for? You cannot play the newbie card being SE. Being VT makes it easy as well.
Btw the elim order is catboi > idk ahhahahaha

@muh, do your thing

Then there's this asking me to hammer catboi, even though I was in no rush to hammer and would have preferred a Lone elimination.

Then there's the hammer on Lone which I think is scum!Donkihott trying to save himself in a last ditch attempt to clear himself away from his scum partner.

VOTE: LoneMarkhor

And then follow that up with the bussing between Lone and Donkihott at the end of the day, it all just seems like scum trying to distance from each other. Probably Lone trying to clear his scum partner of any accusations before his elimination. I've seen it a lot where scum will hammer their partners in an attempt to seem town since suspicion falls on the one that's off the scum wagon.

The interaction between Lone and Donkihott was just very odd at the end of the day.
There's this vote on Donki by Lone which seemed to have come out of nowhere and just seems like a last ditch attempt of clearing his partner before being eliminated.

VOTE: donki
Due to the reaction between catboi and donki, I feel more like donki is scum while catboi is genuinely frustrated as town.If catboi was scum he'd rather have eliminated me with not_mafia's offer to save his skin.

Therefore, I will VOTE: donkihott

[muh316]

i dont think we should get doni gone, isnt it so obvious? VOTE: ninetales i dont want donki to die

What is your read on donki. You left him out in your reads list that you had in 451

[muh316]

i dont think we should get doni gone, isnt it so obvious? VOTE: ninetales i dont want donki to die

What is your read on donki. You left him out in your reads list that you had in 451

im sorry did i confuse u? i was quoting something someone else said

Oh, I didn't realize you were quoting something. The mixture of quotes and bolding confused me.

However, what's your read on Donki?

[muh316]

Not_Mafia, why do you still have a vote on Donki? Do you not believe the claim?

[muh316]

I'm a mason with paopao

Now this, I find hard to believe.

[muh316]

No-Elim: Donki, Chumbo
Elim: Not_Mafia, Catboi

My biggest scumread was donki because of his interaction with lone on D1. But the claim seems good enough to clear him. By process of elimination I would take N_M or Catboi. Chumbo is a solid townread for me. The other two I'd be fine eliminating D3/D4.

[muh316]

No-elim: Masons
Elim: people who are not you.

sounds legit. Who would you think is the scum and why?

Makes sense that I'd want to eliminate the folks who I'm certain are not town. I would first push for catboi since I've scumread him before, then go for N_M.

[muh316]

What if me or catboi are the other mason?

Masons don't typically bus each other on D1/D2.

[muh316]

Makes sense that I'd want to eliminate the folks who I'm certain are not town. I would first push for catboi since I've scumread him before, then go for N_M.

What do you think of catboi's opening post today about donki being a mason?

What I don't understand is how catboi was so certain that we're in the setup with two mason.

[muh316]

I'm fine with releasing the scumcat

[muh316]

gg everyone. I had pretty much lost hope for the game after the D1 elim.

[muh316]

Pretty erratic votes, but you didn't vote for Muh or Pickles, pickles scumread you and so did muh but muh's looked like a distancing rather than a real read. Muh was pushing for catboi and yet remained on your wagon which makes me think he wanted someone else to hammer catboi and being on your wagon would clear him (if catboi is town), ppl would've voted me on D2 and you on D3 and muh will win solo

It was at this point where I felt like Town had me and Lone figured out completely. I was very surprised to see Ninetails being a wagon on D2. I guess I was just too paranoid.