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They're titles based on post count. Lol. Would be pretty pointless if the board spoiled the game for everyone~ (´-ω-`)In post 12, marcistar wrote:muh316
Goon
marcistar
Townie
catboi
Mafia Scum
Paopao
Townie
why are the names like this? are they based on our roles?
He does that every game. It's his standard intro.In post 21, Pickles wrote:So I’m just gonna throw this out there-
One of our SE players is acting Jester instead of helpful.
I’m not sure if that’s normal around here but...?
VOTE: Not_Mafia
1. Maybe 25? Most of them a long time ago here, a few this year. I was pretty bad in most of them. A thousand or so games of chat mafia.In post 22, Pickles wrote:Quick RQS
1. Approximately how many games of FM have you played?
(Here or elsewhere included, rough estimate)
2. What time zone are you from?
(Helpful for coming together as town when needed)
3. What’s your favorite animal?
(This one’s just for fun kek)
In post 33, Chumbo wrote:I was thinking the same thing.In post 32, catboi wrote:I want to believe 12 was a legitimate question from a town player with pure intentions, and not something an inexperienced player would come up with on the spot as a trick to try to get townread.
How do you go from one of these to the other here? This is just blatant opportunism, and I really don't like the reasoning. The idea that a newbie scum player is going to immediately attempt to rolefish is absurd, that's not a strategy most newer scum players are aware of, let alone one that most would attempt to do early. This is ascribing a buzzword wikitell to what is much more likely confused newbie town. Further, I don't really buy seeing a marci/ninetales team at all, newbscum rarely interact the way those two have. Most newbie scum tend to be very cautious about interacting with their partner, and there's none of that in how they speak to each other. I don't like this post at all.In post 70, Chumbo wrote:muh316, I agree with you on marcistar looking like she's rolefishing. I've been trying to figure out whether it's intentional or not. There was also the post she made where she was asking if the titles were the roles, which could easily make a newer player say something about their role. Nice catch with the contradiction.
I see catboi's post as damage prevention. Think about what Ninetails said and you'll see it goes along with your criticism of marci.In post 68, muh316 wrote:It's not helping the town if you're hiding your thoughts.In post 47, catboi wrote:Lol, haha, I get it, probably better not to right now, actually
If I had to call a scumteam right now, I'd call it as marcistar and Ninetails. That's just a guess that's way too early though. I already thought marcistar looked scummy, but then Ninetails mentioning that his vote on marci was just an RVS vote made me think it could be distancing.
This is all very early speculation and I find it hard to believe that both scumplayers would try rolefishing.
I have a soft-town read on catboi, but that's just gut.
Aww, don't be that way! You should never give up, especially early on day 1. There's a lot of time to talk things over and clear things up, you should never feel like getting voted out is inevitable. Always fight back and keep trying to find the mafia.In post 79, marcistar wrote:i really just didnt understand what ninetales was saying, but if me not understanding something and asking about it seems scummy to u guys just vote me out.
Townies appeal to emotion and get defeatist all the time. I find the statements from her far more likely to be defeatist newb-town than scum. You say you've played on MU but never seen a town player act defeatist?In post 88, Ninetales wrote:I have a really hard time seeing this. Too much Appeal to emotion and in a very defeatist way.In post 85, catboi wrote:Anyway, my belief in marci-town is reaffirmed, I absolutely think she's a poor vote.
Based on what? Why vote Marci at all?Paopao wrote:Suses me, but votes marcistarIn post 76, Ninetales wrote:why say this then vote someone else.In post 73, LoneMarkhor wrote:Marcistar is acting like she's never played mafia before,even though she said that she had played it before.
Anyways, I personally don't think Not_Mafia is scum, or atleast is less scummy (idk what theyre doing lol) than Marcistar. I would rather vote someone other then these two, (catboi/ninetales) but I feel like if we vote of Marcistar, it would clear up a lot that has been happening. Though I'm confused why Not_Mafia is voting themselves?
In my opinion, if Marcistar comes up Maf:
Catboi is her partner.
If Marcistar comes up town:
Catboi and Ninetales are together. (I personally belive those two are the most scummy)
But I'm not certain on this yet, I feel like they're most likely the scum team if Marcistar isn't mafia
VOTE: Marcistar
Why am I scummy to you? You literally haven't explained this. Apparently if marci is scum I'm her patner, but if she's town...I'm still scum? And somehow voting her is supposed to "clear things up" when you're going to blame me either way?In post 94, Paopao wrote:Based on what? (answering)
If marcistar does end up coming up as scum, I believe that you are the most likely her partner, as you are the only person hard defending her, or really defending her in general. There is no one, from what I have read that has defended marcistar other than you.
My thoughts on Ninetales will change if Marcistar does end up coming scum, as they were the first person to vote her. (Though it could be a big brain mafia move, and they voted their partner to remove sus off themselves if Marcistar does end up coming up as scum, but it's not likely. Because why bring attention to your partner?)
Then Chumbo, Muh316, and LoneMarkhor come in and bring in reasoning on why Marcistar is scum and vote her.
Those people I mentioned I doubt are scum, as they provided some reasoning onto why they are lynching Marcistar. Unlike you, who has only defended marcistar. If marcistar comes up scum, it's most likely going to be you, as you are the only one that is defending her right now! (unless marcistar's partner decided to throw marcistar under the bus and vote her off. But I doubt that possibility.)
Why vote Marci at all? (answering)
What I said above, and like I said in my previous post "but I feel like if we vote off Marcistar, it would clear up a lot that has been happening."
(also if marcistar does come up as town, I feel like Ninetales would be the most scummy out of everyone. My opinion on you might change, as you were the only person that defended her, but Idk I just see you so scummy rn )
Well, I know you love to hammer. Any scum reads so far?Not_Mafia wrote:Why would I ever do such a thing?In post 92, catboi wrote:That's E-1 on marci btw, please, no one hammer (looking at you, Not_Mafia)
Your post seemed to imply that I was scummy regardless of what marcistar flips. In 89 you wrote:In post 100, Paopao wrote:It is because you are hard defending her?? I have kept restating that in my first paragraph so many times? How is that not explained? I'm not trying to throw away your explanation, but mafia tend to defend their partners, and if she ends up being town, my thoughts will most likely change towards you (sorry I didn't notice I didn't put that in my paragraph), as I believe Ninetales is the most scummiest player right now from my previous posts. I would rather vote for them, but I don't feel like the others will switch their votes onto Ninetales. Ninetales doesn't bother trying to help town out (u can read my previous post on why.) and the way they respond just doesn't seem like a town player.
Even though I know how marcistar usually plays, I am not going to bring in her past games that we played together. I don't want to use Meta, as the reason why I stopped playing discord mafia was due to meta gameplay.
. This seemed to imply some reason for scumreading me independent of marcistar. If it's based solely on the possibility of her being scum, okay. I'm willing to take the blame if she is scum, but right now I see that as fairly unlikely.If Marcistar comes up town:
Catboi and Ninetales are together. (I personally belive those two are the most scummy)
Like I said: do you like the reasoning they gave for voting her? Do you agree with it or not?In post 97, catboi wrote:I've provided plenty of reasoning for why I'm defending marcistar as well, but you seem to be ignoring that. Are all those people just supposed to be town just for providing reasoning? Scum can fake reasoning too, the game would be incredibly easy if only people who voted without reasoning were mafia. Do you agree with all of their reasoning? What about marcistar's response to their arguments? You two seem to have some familiarity with each other, is her own self-description of how she plays accurate? Are people being unfair or is she legitimately suspicious?
Not true in my experience whatsoever. It's certainly possible but the attitude she's showing is town a strong majority of the time.In post 103, Ninetales wrote:I have but I find for newbies, scum do this more.In post 91, catboi wrote:Townies appeal to emotion and get defeatist all the time. I find the statements from her far more likely to be defeatist newb-town than scum. You say you've played on MU but never seen a town player act defeatist?
I don't have any particular thoughts on ninetales right now.In post 108, Chumbo wrote:I read your first post quoted here as you being skeptical. "I want to believe" translated to me as you will be looking more closely at her in the future. I didn't think you meant you meant that you're just going to accept post 12 as definite newbtown. I apparently misunderstood you.
You do make a good point about new players probably not using rolefishing right away though. I still think that newer players might be hyper-aware of how much they talk to their partner though and that that could result in either not talking at all or overtalking.
What do you think of Ninetails?
In post 124, Pickles wrote:Well if reads lists are normal around here then it feels like Ninetales wanted to shade me and devalue my read that they’re scum. Does anybody else feel like that’s what happened?
VOTE: Ninetales
I think when someone outs a read list and says they're doing ISOs on page 5, there's always going to be a question as to whether they're doing it performatively. I don't personally have a huge issue with your reads, scumreads feel a bit strained but it's still early. Do you often do early read lists in the games you play?In post 130, Pickles wrote:I’m this high effort wherever I play, I have no idea how it is here.
Would you like me to link you to my other forum?
My goodness, there's no need to get so worked up. It's a newbie game so people are going to not be used to each other and have unfamiliar styles, but it's going to be fine, just need to work things out. You're doing fine. It's just one person who doubts you, I just wanted to verify that this was something you usually do.In post 136, Pickles wrote:The reads list was the only way I knew how to condense my thoughts about each player.
I’m used to playing a more fast paced game style where I’m from.
Day one alone could have well over 20 pages of posts.
And days only last 72 hours on average (3 days IRL) with nights lasting 24 hours.
Whereas here on MS, it’s slow paced, Day one only has 6 pages so far and extremely long days.
Since people were posting serious content, I felt like diving every ISO.
And the fact that it’s easy to ISO read here was enjoyable to me.
Maybe I’m not made to play on this site and I should stick to where I’m from.
I’m town, so I hope you don’t kill me based on me trying too hard.
I wanted to make the best early reads that I could.
I explained my thought process and gave valid reasons for my reads.
I’m aware it’s early game so my reads are probably wrong.
But that doesn’t make them fake or forced.
Nobody asked me for reads, there’s no reason for them to be forced.
And the effort put in shows they’re not fake.
We should move on I guess, if nobody agreed with the reads, that’s okay.
I'm not expecting him to react to a vote. I don't think anything he's done is inherently scummy. It's frustrating, but to spin it in the absolute best possible light, sometimes you have to read around a player that doesn't say much. How other people react to him, and your reads on them are more important. Focus on reading other people first.In post 142, muh316 wrote:I have a vote on Not_Mafia so I obviously am scumleaning. However, it seems like my vote hasn't done anything to produce results. I looked into Not_Mafia's meta and it all seems like one liners and the same overall theme that we're seeing in this game. I'm guessing we're not getting much of that slot even if we pressure them.In post 138, LoneMarkhor wrote:So nobody else thinks not_mafia is scum?
MOD: Is there some kind of rule that one scum is always SE or is it completely random?
The explanation didn't do much for much. I like 148, though. It's possible to change tactics between games but it felt like a very honest admission and given he did all right in his previous game I don't see the need to fake not having reads.In post 149, Chumbo wrote:I do have actually have a townread on pickles and paopao.
@catboi: you don't have any feelings about ninetails. You think marci is town and you may still think I'm scum even though I explained our misunderstanding. Do you have any reads on anyone other than me and marci?
lurking can be a strategy, or people can do it because they don't know what to say. It's definitely true that on the whole scum tend to post less but some people just post less as their playstyle so you can't always win by voting the people with the lowest postcount.In post 153, marcistar wrote:do scum usually do that here?In post 150, LoneMarkhor wrote:Scum might be throwing this game into inactivity.
FWIW this game is unusually slow, even for a newbie game. Games in other queues move faster. Ill try to post more though.In post 167, Pickles wrote:Yeah it’s doubtful I’m gonna remember I’m playing this game.
It’s just so slow on this site.
How is any of that stuff supposed to be scummy?In post 171, Ninetales wrote:1) They have a lot of useless and contentless posts also excess amount of emojis(not sure if this actually means anything but I thought I'd mention it). I couldn't post this post because it went over the maximum number of emojis. I had to delete half of them and half of them were these : . This ties in to point 4) a little bit.
2) They have a lot of confusion that feels over. They seem so confused that I feel the confusion is fake. (I didn't include the confusion at the beginning about votes and titles but I also felt those were a little over but they seemed not terrible since Marcistar is new)
3) slight pocketing. they do this to nearly everyone.
4) They keep saying "just vote me"
I think of this as a form of guilt tripping.
5) They have no clear stances. mostly just "think person could be scum"
re-looking at this. I don't really agree with your reasons for scumreading LoneMarkhor, I don't think calling someone likely town is TMI, and I don't see any talk from him about role fishing? However, I think the way he pushed not_mafia is potentially scummy because scum would see him as a good target, and the way he moved onto chumbo wasn't great reasoning, his whole thing about wanting to eliminate in SEs makes no sense to me. It's not overtly scummy but I wouldn't call him a townread.In post 112, Pickles wrote:Last Two Reads
- They joked around a lot early game, possibly nervous, possibly meming. The first post that felt real was 82 which felt like another townie trying to keep discussion alive longer than a couple IRL days for day one. Post 105and106 felt kind of strange and off putting with them saying in the first post that NotMaf is scum with marc ignoring that fact so they’re partners. Then in the same post saying marc and pao are more likely partners for reasons they also don’t know. Then in the next post they backtrack and say marc is likely newb town which could be as a fallback for when she flips town. Possible TMI. Then claims if you’re town you would know what Ninetales was hinting and that you shouldn’t press the matter. Then goes on to describe it had to do with roll fishing. Now, I’ve played a lot of games off site and I had NO IDEA it started as a roll fishing situation because no town power roles were even mentioned. Just town/scum. I was as confused about what Nine was implying as marc and pao were, I just wasn’t here to comment on it. I don’t like these vibes right now so I’m gonna go with gut here.LoneMarkhor
- The progression they don’t have really hurts my head. They seem to be all over the place as soon as they arrive. Very chaotic. They SR pao and think marc is NAI, but vote marc saying it’s a RVS vote. Then as things progress, they’re vote becomes a legit one with SR on marc for unknown reasons? Then they backtrack on the SR for pao and claim they never said they actually SR them just made observation. The whole ISO is very fence sitting, can’t actually make any true opinions. I haven’t seen anything that indicates town from their posts. I’ll go as far as to say this is my highest SR currently.Ninetales
._. I feel bad, because I don't want the game to be boring, I want it to beIn post 182, Pickles wrote:All I can say is that I’m not used to the slow speed of the game, it kills my wim.
Nothing has happened to change my reads, so I’m not sure how to progress.
There’s 6 days and 3 hours left in the day, I’m gonna reread the whole thread.
Probably not right now, but when I’ve got some extra time.
I’ll re-assess all of my reads and see if they come out any differently.
It’s unlikely I’ll post them like I did the first time, instead I’ll just quick explain.
Hopefully something stands out during that because I have no idea what else to do.
Otherwise if nothing new stands out, I’ll likely cast vote between {Nine/Lone/NotMaf}.
I also noticed a few comments/questions for me when I was reading.
But I don’t have time to go back and find them now so I’ll answer in next post later.
The term is Too Much Information, yes, the idea being that mafia are coming from an informed perspective and know who is town and so the reads they give will be influenced by that. I don't use it that much but pickles did so I felt the need to bring it up in the response. I essence I don't see calling someone likely town is necessarily scummy, players get town reads all the time, and all markhor actually said was marcistar "might be town" which hardly sounds like a read mafia might give.In post 183, Chumbo wrote:What exactly does TMI mean? I've seen this several times on the forum, but "too much information" doesn't seem to fit it.
I would strongly rule outany possibility of ninetales/pao as a team, and needless to say I disagree with the former. What makes you only consider those possibilities?In post 186, LoneMarkhor wrote:I think the scumteam is {marci, catboi} or from {ninetails, not_mafia/pao}.Though the interaction between ninetails and pao earlier does make it rather unlikely but its still possible. Now that I know what TMI means I understand pickles read on me. Only reason why I thought marci was scum was that I thought she was faking newbie town which was based on the thing that she didn't appear to understand the 'other' possibility that I understood and shouldn't be hard for newbies to get but I thought about the matter again and ruled it out because its a newbie game after all. If pickles ye still think I am scum then I can't do much about it.
Am I scum hard-defending my partner on Day 1, or am I white knighting? Why did you dodge answering my question?In post 200, donkihott wrote:Your issues with paopao don't concern me, I cannot answer for whatever paopao thought or said. I am wondering why are so WKing so hard.
What about my posts are "hollow", exactly? I'm trying to analyze the game.In post 202, LoneMarkhor wrote:Ah!
Its either {marci, catboi} or {ninetails, donki}. That is not including not_mafia. Donkihott supporting ninetails seems suspicious but catboi recently has been more suspicious with his hollow posts. That looks like he is just waiting for night to come not scumhunting.Plus marcistar's posts also sometimes look like that filled with only emotions an emojis. Night is almost to come so we must choose a person to eliminate which means scum get a free kill.
Why are you answering for him when he wouldn't answer himself? WhatIn post 201, Chumbo wrote:Really? What about marci's AtE isn't cringe? A little is fine, but damn...
So tell me: why is disagreeing with the reads of others scummy? Why can't I be town expressing legitimate disagreement? Why, as mafia, does it benefit me to simply disagree with every scumread someone else expresses? This is nonsensical.In post 201, Chumbo wrote:Most of the posting he does is either answering questions about how the game is played or dismantling other players reads. I think it is coming from a scum viewpoint.
If you think I haven't been trying to figure out who's town, you simply haven't been reading my posts. I think marcistar is town. I've put out more tentative townreads on pickles, lonemarkhor, and even you, after expressing doubt. These reads aren't terribly strong, but they're there.In post 213, Chumbo wrote:As for you, disagreeing with reads is fine but that's all you've been doing. I see it as potentially manipulating town into doubt. I see it benefiting you as a way to post that doesn't require much work, but could potentially make you look townie to people. I don't see much trying to figure out who's town. Also, I feel that your votes are lazy. You voted Ninetails because of her reasoning for thinking marci was scum, which I don't see how you saw as scum-aligned and wasn't a bad post IMO. You also voted donki saying you were suspicious of Paopao, but you never actually stated any suspicions on the slot before then.
How's it similar to someone if you can't tell who? If you feel like he's just mirroring reads you should be able to point out where you think he's taking someone else's. I don't see them as all that similar to anyone else's, in some places he agrees with me and in others I don't see it, it doesn't quite line up anywhere.In post 220, marcistar wrote:i didn't know what to think of these at first, i liked them yeah.. but the more I think about it, the more that I feel like (i hope this isnt offensive, but idk how to explain it other then this) that the reads aren't 100% original.
like they give me thoughts that.. like really similar to somebody elses reads but i cant tell who..
I was looking for where you responded to me, not some other part of your post tucked away in an answer to someone else. So let's see:In post 226, donkihott wrote:I'll use a sentece of your style. If you think I didn't answer your question, you simply haven't read my posts
In post 200, donkihott wrote:I have hard time believing marci's "I'm so new, I don't know what I'm doing" style. She constantly contradicted herself saying she is new, saying she actually played and is familiar with the game, saying she gets killed because she is lurking, saying she talks too much. Do you think asking if the roles of the players are revealed on their profile summary is a question a newbie (anyone) would ask? I don't think so.
Truthfully, I was more or less searching for someone to vote at that point in time, moved to ninetales because even though I didn't have strong reasons, it was better than having a vote down nowhere, and I felt the reasoning behind her attack wasn't good. I don't think tunneling is purely a thing scum does, no, but I felt thatIn post 228, Chumbo wrote:With the ninetails vote, you just dismissed the post she made and said it wasn't good reasoning. I feel like her post was decent. It doesn't look like you actually have any reason to think she's scum other than disagreeing with your opinion. Do you think tunnelling is primarily scum-aligned?
As I said before, I think him mistakenly believing a SE has to be mafia is more likely a genuine mistake than something he'd make up. It's not a strong read, necessarily, but I'm willing to go with it for now.donkihott wrote:@catboi , what makes you townread LoneMarkhor?
How am I playing poorly by disagreeing with you? What a crock.In post 231, Ninetales wrote:I think the entire scum team is just 2 out of Catboi, Marcistar, Lonemarkhor, and donkihott.
If any of my original scum team is wrong, I would maybe say perhaps Marcistar is just that performative even as town. But I think catboi is not new and has no excuse to play this poorly.
I literally would not play scum like this, ever. You don't have to believe me but scum partners just don't interact the way I have with marcistar, period. File it in your head when you learn you're wrong.In post 233, LoneMarkhor wrote:I am swayed by the arguments that catboi and marcistar are the scum team. I was suspicious of them but thought they were town masons. That was probably very foolish though. Because I ignored that they could also be scum team watching each other's back
Because I disagree with the reasoning and think it might be coming from scum? Isn't that, like, the whole point of the game?In post 237, muh316 wrote:This doesn't make sense to me. Seems like whiteknighting or pocketing. I understand OMGUS if you're voted, but an OMGUS vote because somebody voted a player you feel is towny just doesn't feel right to me.
Hmm, didn't people in that game tell you not to openly speculate about masons? Why did you do that again?In post 242, LoneMarkhor wrote:First of all I don't think I got town read for that. People were scumreading me for that reason. Secondly I didn't say that for getting reads. I was just saying that this was the thing which some people were saying that I knew too much causing them to be town read by me.
Please answer my 254, I'm trying to figure out my read.In post 261, LoneMarkhor wrote:I too am staying firm on my vote :/
Because I'm town, so obviously you can't be right on me? What the hell kind of question is that?In post 280, Chumbo wrote:Why are these people scummy? Oh yeah, they thought marci was scum, so automatically they are scum. What reason do you think they are scum is more reasonable than why we think you are?
This is a straight up misrepresentation. I never called Pickles scum, I just stated he seems to have abandoned the game. That can happen as either alignment. It does make my read there a lot shakier.In post 280, Chumbo wrote:Here you are again shifting to another player. Trying to reassure marci that pickles is scum even though you had a town read, what changed?.In post 275, catboi wrote:Nah, you don't have to vote me if you don't think I'm scum. I don't know what pickles is doing, looks like he abandoned the game when it finally became active and he had to actually do something.If this happens we take the information from his lynch and the nightkill (if there is one) and we have a better chance of getting scum tomorrow.In post 276, marcistar wrote:everyone whos voting catboi if he ends up town, what would we do next?
I didn't see it.Chumbo wrote:Also, catboi, have you given my reasoning behind why Ninetails is probably town any thought?
LOL, that's supposed to make someone a townread? Prodding people to do stuff and asking for reasons? Give me a break. Anyone can do that sort of stuff, in fact I'd put it in the exact realm of things people do to look pro-town rather than actually help town.In post 201, Chumbo wrote:I've looked at ninetails again, but I really don't think she is scum. The post trying to prod us to do stuff and ask her questions really made me think she was town.
Okay, yes, you think you can solve the game if I flip scum, bu I'm not flipping scum,In post 286, Chumbo wrote:A catboi flip could tell us whether you were defending marci as scum or whether Not_Mafia defended you because you are a scumteam (not sure) also possibly muh, Ninetails would be pretty much cleared if you're scum. Donki as well. At the very least it would tell us a hell of a lot more than Lone. You want to counter this?
I don't townread her for emojis, straight up misrep again. I felt like the question about the titles on page 1 was very likely a townslip, and her atiitude of "just get rid of me if you have to" is overwhelmingly more likely to come from town. You're very obviously not trying to see my side of things or solve me at all.In post 287, Chumbo wrote:Of course you do, because you're scum. I don't need your townread.
You literally townread people because they use emoji's and AtE.
Yes, it's an appeal to emotion. I just find it far more likely to be something a townie says, especially prematurely. That kind of defeatist attitude comes far more often from town than from scum from what I have seen. But it's something that tends to get pushed on, either by scum or inexperienced players. So I found people's pressure there to be suspect.In post 291, Chumbo wrote:OMG, I answered the question for marci, it's reversed, so let me tell you since you can't critically think. If you flip town, marci is much more likely to be town, Not_Mafia is goes to null, Lone and donki are more likely to be scum.
"just get rid of me if you have to" isn't ATE? I don't believe the question onwas that much of a townslip to carry on to page 12. I've tried to look at your side in every way, but I don't see your slot as town at all.P1
Pedit: Lone's VC was all over the place, I don't think it would tell us as much. AND, we already know he claimed VT.
Yeah if I get hammered, get this tomorrowIn post 312, donkihott wrote:In post 310, Not_Mafia wrote:donkihott is obvscum
Ahahahahashahhahahahahaahahahahha just quit this game bro hahahahaah