One Night Stand [Game Over]

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hi Albert hi Pooky hi Kanna hi Infinity hi Nahdia hi Ali hi Hop hi clidd

hii everybody!! (´･ω･`)

VOTE: Jesse

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wow. that's a really good impression of me!

except that i think green is icky, i'd probably use something like this

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oh dear, kanna has stolen the hearts of at least half the playerlist. where does she even find the room to keep all of them ??

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everyone is looking so cute today

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everyone is looking so cute today

Anyone looking... especially cute?

no favourites!! yet

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one favourite

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So can we agree on Alisae town lean but not for the reasons infinity sorted them as town for?

does Ali have a very distinct town/scum meta cause i think Ahsoka called em town confidently and it made me think so

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*flops ears sadly*

(^ω^) yay appeasement!!

i dont think scum alisae could take thread control in this PL. the ego size in this thread is like 6x a normal large theme.

oh no

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It's a good list. I really hope to see a toxic 1v1 between ABR and FL

Morning tweet, if scum, has already sworn in the scum QT multiple times about the amount of heavy angry ATE going to collectively come from any possible town this game.

that's a really good read

well tbh maybe around 3 players i think would be impossible for me to scumread cause theyd have emotional reaction, i think with like ABR/Ahsoka i maybe could manage just siding with one and paranoiaing other cause both are good at scum

Oh Pooky too would be a huge problem for me cause if we're both in endgame itll probably be really emotional and i prolly wouldn't have the energy to fake that

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are we ever gonna learn who your beloved is Jesse or will it remain a mystery forever

looks you need to wait for a player w/ more content b4 u fake ur next townread infinity

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sometimes trying to emulate what you do as town is bad if people are gonna scumread you for it anyway

Or at least that's what I tell myself while i play scum making me end up playing not like my town self

In Royalty when i did that WIFOM message telling u your scumread was wrong, it was slightly true -- i usually fencesit around wagons towards the end of the day in a sudden and intense moment of indecisiveness. but that can look really bad so i maybe dont do that as scum.

Oh by the way i did just do that for WIFOM though your scumread was still correct lol i just wanted to psyche Gloria out

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legitimately -- it could be 0, could be 3, i am hesitant to factor hoods in at all, they're basically just mod WIFOM

pedit: lol same phrasing

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@Kanna idk how Hoppy knew but basically im powerless as scum versus town with strong AtE game and it's possible id have actually sworn about it in mafia chat

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I'm observing. My beloved has ignored me in the hood for most of this game so it is a rather boring hood full of me talking to myself.

so you observed infinity scum but you want us to slow down on his elim because ??

well like if Infinity is Jesses' life timer then it makes sense to me that he'd want us to chill for 0.5 seconds. Somehow i doubt Jesse is positioning to reverse on Infinity so i think the only reason he'd want extra time at this point is to solve, as scum he'd need to like either start a stronger wagon or defend infinity somehow. Solving elsewhere to appear town is pointless for scum jesse

i was thinking it's either 2 scum where town is disadvantaged or 3 scum where scum has disadvantaged players, lovers would make sense for that

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we can townblock after i stop being paranoid about being killed night 1

what?

My loveliness is sometimes so bright that I take a bullet in the head and I would like to avoid that if possible. :3

you tank ur towniness intentionally to avoid N1 deaths? n1 deaths are awesome

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i havent really read but from vibes it looks like Jesse almost couldnt be scum, Ali leaning town from early meta, Hop lean town for being similar to usual and also spearheading infinity if hes scum

UNVOTE:

From what i understand infinity must have rlly fake looking reads aside from just the early Ali townread, something abt a scumread on Flavour, will look at it later but i suppose game state makes me lean towards him being scum off the bat

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I view this as sign of personal growth. What do you think morning tweet?

about your development or the game? i think that it's lovely you've got a confident read so soon!

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You made a potentially momentum swinging vote after I had disappeared after the end of my 1v1, and then didn't even understand who was discrediting, so it showed you didn't actually take the time to look at the posts, or you would know, the only people I had really interacted with was Hopkirk, and Alisae was around a little.

And you don't even know the context of the 1v1 yet chose to push a stance.

I don't care about your reasons. The timing of the vote and your lack of contextual knowledge was just poor and scummy.

I specifically stated that it was the timing of the vote, and the momentum possibility it had when I was away mixed with you not even knowing the context of my posts thus far.

You pushed me like you wanted me to be scum, but you didn't even have accurate representation of the game that was being played.

It's not the fact he has a scum read on me, it's his basis and reasoning is just not there, and he was pushing it, but he didn't even have context about any of my posts, because he didn't even know about my posts towards you, hopkirk, and that was essentially all of my posts at the time.

He was actively making a case on me with reasoning based on my posts, without knowing my posts.

Maybe repeating this enough times will get people to believe it (worked on me at least without reading backwards, it sounded good)

Who was discrediting you?

Hopkirk?

Infinity demonstrates that he knows what you're talking about by asking about Hopkirk specifically. Did you actually believe your own argument here enough to repeat it at least six times and then lolhammer him?

Infinity explained that he took Hopkirk's posts as jokes, which you acknowledge here:

Honestly most of what hopkirk said read as joking to me.

doesn't mean it's not readable

You knew that Infinity knew what you were talking about, and yet you continued to push Infinity largely for "not knowing the context of your posts" as a reason. Why?

This comes up in most of your posts explaining why Infinity is scummy, and it

sounds

pretty convincing. But I don't quite buy that you believed it -- it doesn't make sense, surely you realized that Infinity did not think of Hopkirk's posts as discredits (since, after all, other players can interpret posts differently), so what actually made you push for Infinity so strongly?

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I thought it might work, though maybe I was a bit too hopeful. Like, scum!flavor might see an opportunity to try and pocket me or get me to TR him, and town!flavor might just want to have an honest engagement. I feel like I could possibly tell these apart later, and in any case, the game is much more enjoyable if one of these scenarios occurs.

If I did an analysis of town- and scum-motivation it would be something like:

Town: Flavor thinks hopkirk is scummy and wants to scare him/discourage hopkirk from pushing him. This could also get him good reactions.

Scum: Flavor wants to take control of the narrative and discourage people from pushing him. This could also get him a mislim if he can paint hopkirk's actions badly (assuming hopkirk is town).

I'm not really sure how to logically disentangle these two scenarios, at this point the only thing I have to go on is gut. So I followed my gut and tried to generate more info that I can use to tell them apart.

? this isn't the town motivation i was modelling

you've given your views on FL's side, how about evaluating the Hopkirk side of the toxic 1v1? i find it kind of odd how limited this has been in comparison

I agree with Hopkirk that the town!Flavour theory doesn't really make that much sense, and I can buy Hop thinking it odd Infinity only looked at Flavour

I think in general i buy Hopkirk's progression on Infinity from the early Ali read ping all the way to him feeling pretty confident Infinity flips scum. i get the feeling from Hoppy's surprise at getting an early confident SR, he's like me where that's very rare so i think he'd be less likely to try and fake that confidence as scum

I do like Ahsoka's damage control suspicions on Pooky (stemming from being biased on Infinity!scum) but i doubt that's out of his acting ability (´･ω･`)

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I lean towards Pooky not being scum cause it feels like town Pooky always does something moderately suspicious day one (or at least i suspect him early for whatever reason, so like in Chara's Folly where he spent a ton of time advocating for the Spare route, or Death Curse where he got early heat for i dont remember what). Scum!Pooky also usually tries to grab hold of the game state somehow from my understanding so that didnt happen either. generally i think absentish pooky is +town

If i were scum this game I would post like Kanna. No one in the hood agrees with me but like

so far, i'm agreeing with ali!probtown; i think fun!tells and good faith!tells are the way to go for ali and, maybe i'm a sucker for shameless pocketing. do you have any reads you want to share, ali?

also i'll get mocked, but my pure read this game might be jesse. he has lots of PURE potential; i shall report back once he becomes ranny

uncrowned isn't pocketing me back :c

It's a good list. I really hope to see a toxic 1v1 between ABR and FL

Morning tweet, if scum, has already sworn in the scum QT multiple times about the amount of heavy angry ATE going to collectively come from any possible town this game.

that's a really good read

well tbh maybe around 3 players i think would be impossible for me to scumread cause theyd have emotional reaction, i think with like ABR/Ahsoka i maybe could manage just siding with one and paranoiaing other cause both are good at scum

Oh Pooky too would be a huge problem for me cause if we're both in endgame itll probably be really emotional and i prolly wouldn't have the energy to fake that

don't really understand this, what's the good read, morning?

What is scum!Ali gonna do against a town!Kanna, town!Infinity, and towncrowned if they’re not all partners with me.

thankfully, we are all on the same team mafia team with our glorious moderator, right :>

i think i'm gonna sit on my scumreads for a bit, because everyone is scared of secret scumreads... also i wonder where is clidd

This reads as something i would think to write rather than actually come up with naturally. My attempt at explaining this would be like, it's hitting checkmarks while adding in faces and emotion to look carefree (Give townread -> explain it a bit -> ask for reads -> make joke against self -> do a pretend sad thing etc).

Absolutely no one got what i was talking about though. It is just uncanny to me how Kanna's D1 reminds me of what id have done as scum, complete with the posting frequency and not taking a stance on the main wagon. Maybe throw in a few questions here or there.

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Oh yeah as for hoodmates I think Ali is town, Uncrowned i lean on town, Mena/Nahdia undecided, and ABR i was going to lean suspicious on but i dont know if he calls me scum as scum, this is the first im hearing of it ofc

ali is meta and i just like em, Uncrowned is more of a guess cause i dont have experience with him but I'm gueeeesssing the naked sheep on Infinity is town, this is kind of a shit townlean

Clidd isn't a mate but he's last one left i think

By the way, Infinity, why do I have the feeling that you weren't really trying to figure out Ahsoka's alignment in posts 254 and 259?

It seemed to me that you were more concerned with explaining something that made sense than necessarily promoting an interaction where you could get something AI from Ahsoka.

I got the sense Infinity was mostly trying to explain himself, being sort of formal, defensive, etc so i can see this take

beyond that, clidd kinda lost me afterwards so I'll see

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His response to the Infinity flip was "How did this happen?" which is honestly just as bad as Creature posting "How can we solve this game?" I doubt anyone here will get that meme but regardless my point is that I don't really think he's trying to find scum tbh.

i think that reaction was bad in like a blatant way lol, it alone doesnt do much for me but overall I am stunned at how little ABR has played so far compared to what I've seen in the past

Him calling me probably scum was a bit of a curveball, i gotta hear the details on that. what i meant earlier is, i would think scum ABR tries to buddy/pocket me rather than elim me ? Or at least let me be anyway. dont really know what the motivation behind him suspecting me would be.. so i at least want to hear more about why he does

But i am aware Albert doesnt like playing scum too much and maybe it's just a lazy mysterious read. let's see!

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btw MT what do you think of Mena's entrance into the hood?
Is it weird I think its strange or is that just me

There was something i thought that was interesting about it but i want to talk to Mena more first i think

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@Kanna it's not your happiness!! It's more a general sense the post felt constructed rather than genuine -- i admit am letting my own last scum game influence the read, obviously we're not the same person so i dont exactly trust my read more or less on myself transfering to you. That combined with how you weren't around too much, i dont think you said anything on the main wagon, reminded me of myself as scum i guess

Gotta think more about clidd, maybe tomorrow. i do think I'll prolly need more content to decide that though

Kanna, what seems obviously bad about Ahsoka to you (if you're not referring to my post earlier on him anyway)?

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Oh i had a shower thought that maybe scum loverizes people instead of killing them during the night. Cause i assume something happened. That or maybe they're like aliens who only get one kill

I just want to say i called it in case scum forces people to fall for each other as their night action cause i think thatd be an interesting mechanic.

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Half the thread either straight-up sucks or all of my reads are wrong and i suck

ABR, Uncrowned, Ahsoka, WTF? Maybe less so Ahsoka actually cause he seems to tr hop and maybe consider ABR

Ahsoka you didnt answer what i said from what i saw, are you claiming that you just didnt think it was possible Infinity didnt think Hop was discrediting you? You just glossed over that detail while pushing him?

You mentioned that i was misrepping you calling it a quick hammer but it's still what happened and you were still quite sure Infinity was scum based off of the reason i mentioned so that's not really relevant

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Hopkirk is scum for ignoring how Uncrowned has been buddying me

What even is this?

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Menalque or Morning Tweet have scum in them.

I could even see either of them as scum with ABR, if ABR ends up being scum.

ABR called me probably scum during last night phase, unless this isnt related to your "ABR death spiral WIFOM theory" which I admit is sort of plausible cause the self vote and ABR overall probably not thinking about his reads

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My pool is [MT, Alisae, Hopkirk]

this is straight fire

except probably remove ali and replace with pooky because e will be an easy sort later on imo

Literally why, that's like my townbloc

What is up with you this game? Why would you want to speed run an elim

again

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Link to VC

Pooky suddenly becoming the voice of reason today just makes me not want to consider him, i dont even know if that's AI but im going to hope that's a good sign

Ahsoka might not be scum but im not going to count him put till much later

I prefer voting MT today

There is no way you're so sure I'm scum that you refuse to even talk to me. Is there? i desperately want to hear why you keep calling me scum over and over.. where is it?

Why do you scumread morning?

Meta. She's good at looking town you have to look in the details.

WHAT FUCKING META ARE YOU USING MY GUY ?

Looking town and actually providing useful analysis are two different things. im unusually on fire this game with thinking up things to say that aren't summaries of other people's posts, which is typically what I fall back into as scum

You even mentioned later that people usually "Let me win as scum". I'm not good at scum. What fucking scum game of mine is this similar to? i guaran fucking tee I've outlasted myself in every scum game I've played, possibly combined

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i guaran fucking tee I've outlasted myself in every scum game I've played, possibly combined

outposted

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I’ll listen to morning if she wants to talk about how your meta is pointing to town you but frankly for how little you’ve done so far other than yell about being town I struggle to see how you’re outside your scummeta esp considering you normally take the line that your scumgame is basically godlike

i seriously doubt id vote Ali in the near future, will reevaluate later if necessary but i am heavily under the impression this isnt how scum!Ali would play and ive had no issues with eir play thus far

if this becomes more important though ill probably like read scumgame of eirs ig

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<3 MT

<3

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i didnt scumread him, i was townleaning him for being blatantly sheepy and never giving reasons, also the one thing i suspected of his he explained in the PT

his play today comes off as insane to me just like yours does though yeah

im not going to vote until im at my PC and i get my dhit straight, I figure you're not both scum cause this tactic would be really.. surprising

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MT do you think ABR is town?

ABR has a disproptionally high opinion of my play, so it's sort of believable he thinks I'm scum without backing it up with reasons, i guess.

At the same time, he is nothing like Jigsaw mafia and that one schadd game where he would be the town leader with at least mostly sensible reads and charisma

The openwolf play is a new look for me though. Mena mentioned earlier that ABR!scum usually is weak because he cant replicate his town play -- not because he goes insane. So i dont really know what's going on. I've played with scum!ABR in the past, it went pretty well, it was also not like this at all

the justification he gives for his reads is just super unbelievable and i dont get why he felt destructed with the self vote so quickly

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Scum usually replace during the day to at least see what happens with their kill at night so I'm pretty sure Menalque is town. Ahsoka and Alisae seem pretty town. Hopkirk putting a lot of energy so I don't know about him. Meh on kanna and clidd. Pooky is scum and MT likely partner. Uncrowned buddying me and FL seems like scum independently.

wouldn't that imply the replace out is for game reasons? You realize Nahdia never posted, so it's likely irrelevant to the game. That's your strongest TR? Agree with Ali and Hop being higher.

Maybe Pooky being the voice of reason is bad, i dont really know yet. I think his takes during all the fighting were actually down to reality but theres no reason only town could pull that off

Yeah why is Uncrowned doing that though? I thought their play was supposed to be deeper, why is it like this in this game?

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I do like Pooky overall still

i dont think your scumreads are very good ABR, and they definitely dont match how confident you are that everyone else is bad for disagreeing

would still be open to you explaining how my meta points to me being scum, cause saying "Morning is good at scum" does not work as an argument for me being your strongest scum

nothing here really disproves ABR!town so whatever i guess. Will have to check the alleged ABR openwolf in haunted house

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i'm down to kill any of [ABR Ahsoka Uncrowned]

ABR reads exactly the same way as that time he was playing open-wolf in Betrayal.

i skimmed his ISO and he actually gave the impression he was trying in that game. no heavy complaining for other people to join him from what I can see, no self voting defeatism, actually explained his reads (Or more often just seemed to sheep others' reads, but still).

What seems similar to you though, obviously i probably dont have as good a picture

thank u Hectic (´･ω･`) I luv u

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Theory:

ABR is town
ABR has way too high an opinion of my scumgame
ABR gets maybe gut pings on me that he feels are impossible to explain, just a feeling of some kind -- and he uses "Morning is good at scum" for justification as to why I'm mostly not being scumread
ABR has resigned himself to hoping I'm scum so he can be like "Haha you guys suck i was right" after the game and has mostly given up beyond that regarding the read

maybe that explains why he can't/won't explain the read, yet still brings ego into it somehow and calls everyone else terrible

Reason I'm giving thought to this is because haunted house mafia doesn't really seem like this game much and I don't really get what the motivation for scum!ABR to scumread me is

Atm: still want to hear Pooky's explanation of how this ABR reminds him of haunted house ABR

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abr's confidence reminds me of partition so i'm kind of townleaning there now. the "morning just has a townie playstyle and i think she's scum" is actually pretty townie! (don't you think, morning?)

i think it's total garbage reasoning but yeah maybe

@Kanna it's not your happiness!! It's more a general sense the post felt constructed rather than genuine -- i admit am letting my own last scum game influence the read, obviously we're not the same person so i dont exactly trust my read more or less on myself transfering to you. That combined with how you weren't around too much, i dont think you said anything on the main wagon, reminded me of myself as scum i guess

Gotta think more about clidd, maybe tomorrow. i do think I'll prolly need more content to decide that though

Kanna, what seems obviously bad about Ahsoka to you (if you're not referring to my post earlier on him anyway)?

it's okay! even if i don't like getting scumread, i like your read and thought process behind it! two things i'll say is i'm never the top poster in any game and recently i've been liking doing summary posts. also i just wasn't around when that happened; i was kind of scumreading infinity so i didn't feel the need to bat for him earlier, but i also didn't think he would actually be the lim.

so i don't feel like those things are good indicators

ahsoka looks blatantly bad because he blatantly pushed infinity to death. i think that's kind of what you meant as well.

Yeah Ahsoka pretty much closed his eyes and ignored everything Infinity said that explained why his push was wrong, even though he clearly replied to the posts Infinity made so he should have known.

At least definitely regarding the "missing the context of my posts" point -- it is incredibly odd to me that Ahsoka emphasized that bit so hard. My theory is he did that because it sounded really good so he wanted to push the elim, even if, had he thought more about it, it didn't really hold up. So my question to the hood was: does town!FL willingly ignore stuff that goes counter to his case and just push it as hard as possible? Answer i got was "probably" from Mena

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Uhhhh idk

I had questions for Uncrowned i didnt get to and i dont remember what they were

i need to hear Pooky's explanation for saying you're similar to haunted house

I just want Ahsoka to COMMENT on my interpretation of his Infinity push beyond "Why are you accusing me of quickhammering?!". Like i expect him to say, like, "No I wholeheartedly believed in the case" but whatever

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Wait you're probably not talking to me anyway are you

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^ Thats what i was thinking yeah (pedit: Yeah i agree w/ both of you on ABR)

I didn't produce much substantial content for analysis, but I would like to see Morning's impressions about me, because in our last game together she interpreted my attitudes very well and I expect an instance similar here.

i didnt get far in my read of you from D1 -- you were a huge part of early game in Forest Fire, here i think you only had one or two chances to check in before the day got cut

At the moment i do kind of dig your read post, more that I like it rather than necessarily agree with everything on it. I think your bottom two could probably very well contain scum. Mena/Ahsoka are slots that I'm not willing to have as much confidence are town as you -- and your post mostly says you've got insider info on them so eh. I think Hop/Ali are better high towns. Your analysis of ABR is fair.

Lemme read Kanna's case on you start of today cause i didnt do it earlier

my strongest scumread right now is clidd

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I'm feeling some townpings of Alisae, Hopkirk and Ahsoka.

It's strange to see ABR being friendly, but I am open to new experiences.

The way Infinity approached and expressed himself about Ahsoka, without contextualizing his opinion about the discussion between Ahsoka x Hopkirk in a more organic way, as I would like from town!Infinity, reflected me as a negative ping.

Everyone else is null.

By the way, Infinity, why do I have the feeling that you weren't really trying to figure out Ahsoka's alignment in posts 254 and 259?

It seemed to me that you were more concerned with explaining something that made sense than necessarily promoting an interaction where you could get something AI from Ahsoka.

The reason why I voted flavor to begin with is because he seemed to be trying to control the narrative a bit, and I felt that he was trying to look town. Instead of just waiting to see how hopkirk would react to his posting, he made sure to say "Look guys, I'm watching to see how hopkirk reacts to this!" Ali pointed out a similar thing in 131.

But you are aware of how FL is approaching his playstyle at this alt and how you can approach his slot to extract something AI.

It seems to me that the instance you are taking is of someone who is seeing this for the first time and generally pushing for reasons that you should know are not necessarily scum!Ahsoka trying to control the narrative.

I imagine it would make more sense for town!Infinity to evaluate the context of the discussion involving Ahsoka earlier, what would that imply in the scenarios scum!Ahsoka and town!Ahsoka and only after this process takes a side, am I wrong?

I mean, it does not seem to me that you are really evaluating both sides of the coin and your decision to take one side was not congruent as a reflection on the scenarios that could explain what Ahsoka's line of action would suggest in AI terms.

In other words, there is a lack of analysis on your part in relation to Ahsoka. The impression I have of town!you is someone impartial when evaluating a slot and the way you approached the scum!Ahsoka side more than town!Ahsoka didn't seem organic.

Ok, but you know that it wouldn't work for you to get something AI from him doing that, considering that you already knew about his play in this account, so why promote something that, theoretically, you know that it would not work? and I was talking about a short analysis, or rather, an impression of how both the town and scum scenarios would explain his actions - you had the context of the discussion on the last few pages as material.

there's a bit of repeatition and showy-ness in these posts as clidd seems to reiterate his point again and again to infinity. also i know clidd can obvtown, but he doesn't feel invested in this game. i feel hints of sadness

Yeah i dont know about this one, Infinity specifically asked for clidd to reiterate his point so i'm not terribly surprised he does.

Regarding Kanna, I believe that it is fair, because of our historical context together, that she speculates about scum!Clidd above town!Clidd based on what I have shown so far, but although she attributed a description to the impression she had of my sequence of posts during my interaction with Infinity, she used the "clidd not obvtown = probably scum" argument, which more recently scum players have used to formalize a suspicion about me, something that GuiltyLion did in forest fire and that Menalque and Morning probably remember. For me it would be more organic if she took on a questioning instance, as Menalque and Morning did, but the current instance suggests that she is convinced of what she is talking about, even without enough information to make this kind of inference. But even though I have this negative impression about her, I see both town!Kanna mistake or malicious scum position!Kanna, which is why she is null to me and not necessarily in the pool next to scum.

It is surprising to me that Kanna has you as a stronger SR than Uncrowned and Ahsoka from that reasoning

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Uncrowned reminds me of this one Porkens scumgame I read where i think he basically was just like "Yup!" and voted along with everything the whole game and it worked. at least i think thats what happened lol

Not even like a reason to scumread Uncrowned either, I think that Porkens game was an anomaly, how does that even happen?

Skimming uncrowneds threads i dont know if he's ever played scum so that's great then. What were those questions I was going to ask?

My pool is [MT, Alisae, Hopkirk]

this is straight fire

except probably remove ali and replace with pooky because e will be an easy sort later on imo

That pool is straight ass

The substitution is fair i guess though

That's all I got idk

OH no my question to Uncrowned is: What made you so sure ABR was town earlier today? you never actually got around to explaining that from what I can see (this is something that happened in the hood). Initially I was interpreting that as a tad unbelievable that you were so sure, but i'd like to hear any kind of reasoning maybe?

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Hi Uncrowned

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Do you have a scumgame Uncrowned cause i missed it

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Like a completed scum game i mean

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isn't that basically what e is implying by saying e caught you fairly easily there

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Uncrowned it feels like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, you're saying Ali conveniently didn't mention you've never played like this as town OR scum -- but you're also expecting people to townread you for this playstyle which you've never done before

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that being said I don't actually think you're terribly scummy atm -- but I think your read on Ali isn't correct

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VOTE: Kanna

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That pool is straight ass

Your language, young lady.

oops! sorry

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X-1

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VOTE: Kanna

btw bad vote from clidd who had me at a higher tier than uncrowned

p-edit: thank you

Why's that make it a bad vote in your opinion?

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Why's that make it a bad vote in your opinion?

i just said: clidd had me in a tier above uncrowned when he made his readlist just before; said he'd give uncrowned some space, but the same courtesy was not stretched to me. if he thinks i could be town, why not?

but yes, more time please, i would like a proper chance to say what i want to say and stuff. that's only fair

ah i see now, i just needed more elaboration

Alright, clidd, why put Kanna to X-1 up front but not Uncrowned?

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Oh to explain more, I chose Kanna over clidd because I started getting the feeling Uncrowned may be town. I guess the way he's been conducting himself both overall as LHF/not caring combined with how he's snapping on Ali/Kanna for their reads on him now feel more likely to be self-oriented town to me.

Additionally Kanna didn't put my other scumread low on her list so it looked bad, and I was getting the feeling clidd might be town. And finally, I didn't really get where Kanna's confidence on clidd!scum came from.

so like, Uncrowned's current crusade against Ali/Kanna/whoever is making me think he's town but is not the reason I'm voting Kanna

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What's your current opinion on Uncrowned's alignment, Kanna? Still on the table or nah?

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Pooky I think

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VOTE: Pooky

ill do it for you

I felt like there were a number of defenses clidd could have taken against Kanna's accusation of him being a liar -- and overall what she's accusing him of lying about doesn't really have obvious scum motivation to lie about (Beyond just clidd mixing up reads/motivations as scum and therefore being inconsistent).

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Is this game 12 players because there's only 2 scum and multiple lover pairs or some bullshit?
That would make sense to me.

it's either that or 3 scum who are also screwed in some way

I would love for it to be just two, though. Also considering we already had one pair of players who got wiped, maybe theres a good possibility of that happening

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Ahsoka ABR and Uncrowned all open-wolfing now

Flavor Leaf must've spiked the punch in the scum room.

i'm down to kill any of [ABR Ahsoka Uncrowned]

ABR reads exactly the same way as that time he was playing open-wolf in Betrayal.

I mean this pool is awfully convenient for Pooky!scum combined with how ABR doesn't read like that Betrayal game

I got trapped by townreading Polarbears so I PoE'd Toog

also in this case i dont think Pooky lacks charisma, i think he was largely pretty rational and objectively right during that span where we were suspecting ABR -- Like Unc and ABR were scummy in blatant ways but now that we're really thinking about it i dont think either are scum

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was that even you who scumread Toogeloo
either way the fact people scumread that slot made no sense to me

I flip flopped between Toog and Spiffeh like mad

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i agree though that Pooky's D1 had reason for me to TR there so I'm not convinced yet in any case, I mainly want to engage with him on the ABR read someday

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oh btw weird question

is it normal for anyone who replaced into the game to go into a 5p hood and be like
"Yo 5P scumteam, nice! btw who are we killing?"

What I found interesting about Mena's entrance, which i mentioned earlier but didnt go anywhere with, was that he mostly spent his time shooting down townreads. I can recall him suspecting or contesting townreads on at least four players -- whereas he didn't offer too much in the way of townreads

Which, as i recall, in Forest Fire and why gun??, Mena and I both engaged pretty heavily in early town blocking.

[Hectic]

Link to VC

also idunno who said nahdia's replacing out at the start of n1 is likely town indicative but i mean the player was generally inactive so anything is possible I don't see how its strictly a town rep out but maybe i just don't get it and I'm some stupid washed delusional player that never has correct reads and actually doesn't know anything about the game at all honestly like its honestly fine

That was ABR and I told him basically that exact same thing -- Nahdia wouldn't stay to watch the night as scum, there's no reason to believe they had ever started playing

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What did you mean when you said that Uncrowned had shown he was willing to fight for a living, clidd?

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did that factor into your voting / not voting of Uncrowned/Kanna?

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See I noticed that after you made your "I'm unsure whether or not to vote Uncrowned" post, he did start fighting -- which I assume is why you didn't vote him in that time frame.

But what I was wondering was why you didn't vote Uncrowned up front

before

he had started making the content, whereas you did with Kanna. This is essentially what Kanna is claiming is pretty sus of you, and you didn't really end up responding to it.

Personally, I'm split because I don't see obvious scum motivation for treating the two of you different, so I'm confused as to why Kanna views it as very suspicious. On the other hand, you didn't really respond with an explanation to that accusation, instead switching the topic to Kanna not commenting on your read of her.

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Is there any chance you would be able to elaborate further on your Mena or Ahsoka townreads, by the way? I find these two really interesting because they're your most confident ones, and yet, it seems like you might not be able to explain the Ahsoka one and the Mena one is just your own private investigation. no big deal if you can't but they do interest me

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Ahsoka you didnt answer what i said from what i saw, are you claiming that you just didnt think it was possible Infinity didnt think Hop was discrediting you? You just glossed over that detail while pushing him?

You mentioned that i was misrepping you calling it a quick hammer but it's still what happened and you were still quite sure Infinity was scum based off of the reason i mentioned so that's not really relevant

I didn't read your posts fully, not gonna lie, I was actually talking about Menalque's quickhammer comments.

My progression on Infinity is there, and everything was thought about. I was actively trying to have them work with me if they were town, but they kept being weird about things.

ya i realized you werent talking to me way later sorry about that

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@Tweet if you read the section of Betrayal Mafia where ABR openwolf pushes my slot it's like pretty flagrant and obvious.

oki will do

I would say ABR voting all over the place and sheeping people is a similarity these games have.

the part where he sticks onto Fun and Games reminds you of ABR pushing who this game?

Like ABR this game isn't even trying to explain why he suspects people -- In betrayal, at least he gave reasons for F&G being scummy and interacted with them a bunch. so like, he had a guise of scumhunting, at least.

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MT tone is the opposite of my tone, so if you townread her and scumread me, it's most likely based on communication style, tone, and agreeableness.

you don't get to instruct people how to read me !!

The fact the wagon grew fast on kanna doesn't make kanna town.

yeah, Uncrowned went fast too, so I think that’s just the game being played right now.

Agree that it doesn't mean anything

Actually, Kanna isn't towny because of her reaction to wagon/pressure.

She's towny imo because of her unconscious confbias on me. Her mentioning the relationship of my vote with the poe I showed, accusing me of being a liar, interpreting my reads as fabricated to simulate genuine and association with scum!Clidd that she experienced are indications of a line of confbias.

I have a hard time seeing scum!Kanna projecting this organically.

Yeah atm I'm wrestling with whether or not scum!Kanna comes up with that. At the same time, though, i fail to see why she would find you very suspicious for treating her and Uncrowned differently especially when she didn't have a strong opinion on Unc.

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To take 434 as a good faith thought you had, you have some games in mind where you saw Tweetie!Scum behave similarly and win through this style of play

when challenged on it, you say refuse, which implies you were not actually thinking of any games.

It's similar to the brazen manner you pushed with noraa on my slot and refused to engage in any logical discussion whatsoever.

There are no scum games where i play like this so he cant do that

MT confirmed what I said though so you can take her word for it

i confirmed wot now?

I don't really know if my tone changes or not as scum, playing scum makes me anxious so my post frequency goes down and I will usually run out of steam on things to say after a while. My scumhunting definitely changes

I read many MT games and her tone is always like this. The tone doesn't change it's only the scumhunting that does.

why are you scumreading me in this game then?! This is nothing like i've ever done as scum and at the very best it still doesn't even resemble it much so there's no reason i should be your top scumread

@Pooky

opinion on my ABR theory?

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The probability of Kanna scum = 0

Literally why

specifically my read on Kanna is from this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85019

My Kanna is beautiful - pure and true. I would be beyond devastated if she were scum, and in affairs of the heart I am almost never wrong.

first she doesnt say anything in the first 7 posts, makes setup comments, keeps talking about the setup even when voting (i assume this is a pretty mechanically heavy thing), she says she's town, then it looks like she's sad about your death.. more mechanical play

What'd you get from that game? Since it's Kanna's setup she mostly talks about it the whole way thru. Kanna this game isn't even similar imo

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Albert B. Rampage - Null/Scum - I didn't like how ABR said MT was scum and then refused to give any example games to show how her tone was similar to her scum games, I'd think if that was a genuine thought in his head, he would've had to have been thinking about an actual game where she is similar and be able to provide such an example quite easily when asked for. Instead he responded with "no I'm too lazy for that" when it would've been much faster to just type out the name of the game. Laziness implies that he is too lazy to look through her games for an example, hence he is not actually thinking of a specific game but was just throwing that out there to keep POE larger. I also do not like the way he provides little to no reasoning for his votes.

Bullshit he has any games he can provide, he's just guessing im scum while being mysterious so if i actually flip scum he can rub it in everyone else's faces

That or he's scum being intentionally LHF, I guess. I just haven't seen him play like this before

Morning Tweet - I think she's in her town meta, her thoughts flow a lot more easily, she also has a town-tell that Hectic explained to me a while ago, she knows of this town-tell so I'm not sure how reliable it is or whether she can replicate it in her scum games. Tonally she feels very town. The latest tack she's taken to attack me feels like something I don't think scum!tweet does because it's easier for her to pocket me I guess?

HE TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT?

i am going to get hectic for that later

Kanna - I'm not sure words will do justice to how strong my town-read is here. This world is crazy and mean and we're all looking for some kind of connection to fill what has been missing. I don't always soul-read people but when I do I am almost never wrong.

This game isn't?? even similar?? to dark twisted bloodline???

I guess I wouldn't get a soulread, but still

Uncrowned - Trying to steal my beloved Kanna from me, bad intentions? Feels like he's going the polar opposite of his play in Dark Waltz II where he was scum and I modded/Kanna played.

Do you draw any conclusions from Uncrowned taking on this new playstyle? i wish i were more familiar with him

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:/

His point is completely moot to me. Lying =/= scum. Lazy =/= scum. I'm not trying to "keep more people in the lynch pool" by being the only person in the game suspecting MT lol

Yeah though i agree you're not automatically scum but you totally aren't lazy cause if you were actually convinced there is some weird nuance to my play only u could notice, you'd be all over explaining that. it'd look really impressive after i flip scum

I know for a fact there isn't anything special in the details

On one hand, we could just
let him prove he's a neighborizer and he can hood me
on the otherhand
his justification for not acting n1 is weird

Yeah i dont really think there's any incentive for scum!Clidd to lie about having a neighbourizer shot so he gets caught automatically the next day. lotta power roles that don't do that

It is the truth.

And I would probably have more motivation to form a target someone as scum on N1, considering that my goal would be to influence other slots.

Thats kinda a good point although it's a bit weakened cause you were aware of that fact

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Morning, it's kind of hard to read your posts.

The division of quotes and comments creates a visually tiring format.

sorry, just didn't want to clog the thread too much with 100 posts while responding

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i don't really think it's likely scum is motivated to scumread you because you suspect them, Uncrowned

Maybe scum keeps you in their pool because you're LHF, though, which i have found plausible so far. Gotta keep options open and rn it's not super hot to townread Uncrowned yet.

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The only read I feel really good about is Ali town because now e is(was) running into a similar situation to myself where e ran out of people to scumread and went to Mena which is something i was tempted to do a few times lol

pedit: I'm the one who theorized maybe scum makes us fall in love instead of kill lol

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i have no idea i said it back before most ppl had posted so i thought maybe there'd be an alert, maybe not

I'm not changing the way i play as a result of it so it doesnt really matter much

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You're certain Hop is scum because he called you scum after you voted him? (pedit @Uncrowned)

MT and Uncrowned ywall should actually apologize for coming up with such an awful idea
we don't need to encourage people to replace the factional night kill

You know what
I got a better theory honestly
I'm not sure how much value I should put into it and if its real my ahsoka read might actually need to be a bit weaker

hell no scum forcing people to fall in love could work. i want it to! Probably not this game though because i'd expect it to be public info.. probably

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hell no scum forcing people to fall in love could work. i want it to! Probably not this game though because i'd expect it to be public info.. probably

JUST GIVE THEM A NIGHTKILL

MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE LIKE, ONE KILL. OR MAYBE THEY JUST LOVERIZE ON THE FIRST NIGHT I DUNNO

reason i theorized it is because i assume scum was doing

something

last night

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HEY I DIDNT COME UP WITH IT

I was under the influence of a very charming pet that kinda reminds me of a sable and now I really want a sable again

THOSE ARE REALLY CUTE WOW

LIKE WHATS THE POINT YOU FUCKING BAT

THERE'S NO POINT TO IT
YOU'RE BETTER OFF GIVING SCUM A NIGHT KILL

BUT THAT'S NOT AS ENTERTAINING AS MAKING PPL FALL IN LOVE IS IT

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ON A SCALE OF RODENTS (1) TO BATS (10) ID GIVE THEM SOMEWHERE AROUND FOXES (8)

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entertaining doesn't mean playable

IT WAS JUST AN IDEA BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A KILLLLLLLLLLLLL

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i wonder if Mena and Pooky putting an oddly high emphasis on themselves being NKed are possibly faked townslips since scum probably knew no one would die

Would explain why they brought up the N1 kill sort of abruptly

Idk Mena brought it up because he felt clidd might fear him enough to NK him immediately, maybe that's true i wouldnt really know

And Pooky just does that for some reason. I cant find the part in Chara but he got worried he'd be nightkilled on like D3/D4 for no reason

eeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh

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I guess I wouldn't get a soulread, but still

morning, i don't think you know how to read me then; there's tone/ways in which i type/some things i can never say as scum because it's impossible for me to without feeling massively guilty, so when i'm posting from my heart, i'm town. pooky gets me and that's a soulread

i will never understand why being scum causes people to have a guilty conscience!

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morning is quite bold in this game and it keeps throwing me off, but i have to keep reminding myself it's probably town-indicative

im currently on break, so i have more time to play, but i am only in this one game.. got lots of time to read. I don't like pushing things without having a decent picture of the game and i require a lot of reading to get there which i dont get to in a lot of games

pedit: not feeling guilt doesn't make me good at scum, just makes me not feel bad about lying!

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Hood, not really what he’s said, but

he’s using it as like a private PT

, and it does look town spewwy, but I did go through a decent amount of this day thinking he could be scum, and I told him in the PT

I tinfoiled him as scum with ABR early in the day, then I just told him a few hours ago actually that I was suspicious of him.

He’s almost posting too much in the neighborhood.

I don’t understand how he was able to do so much in this game, I’m struggling to get reads.

this is probably the most scummy thing to come out in relation to you, clidd. if i know you, this is exactly what scum!clidd does here -- fabricate a bunch of analysis and wallposts to get your neighbour to townread you for effort, don't you agree? also something interesting is that scum always post more in their neighbourhoods to pocket > town according to lunacy. i tried looking for that post and couldn't find it, but at least morning was in that game so she can verify that fact

For sure, i think scum has extra incentive to use the hoods to solve. I did it in 2132 to get on Hectic's good side and ABR worked Porkens in Zoey's mafia pretty well using a hood

i also abused the hood this game though cause i felt like i missed out on most of the first day phase. Clidd wasn't really around much for it, either, so could see that being why.

Kanna, are you soulreading Pooky back or is it a one-way lane at the moment where he's certain you're town but you're not quite sure yet?

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You guys and your flippin morality tells

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I will accept that Kanna probably isn't scum if Pooky is town though

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there should be scum in {Ahsoka/Hopkirk/Menalque} prolly

tbh any and all of my reads there are just gone from not seeing them in so long. Hop I still think had a good D1. Mena I can't tell if I'm just falling into a PoE trap by townreading too many ppl or if he is actually just scum

Ahsoka i haven't really gone anywhere with but theres for me there's been no strong reason he's town beyond possibly the clidd business (?) They both claimed to be sure the other is town

I feel like we are letting clidd and kanna off the hook too easily though

I have reasons to believe Clidd is town.

Regarding Ahsoka and Morning, I have personal reasons to believe that Ahsoka is town, not much related to this game

is this just hood stuff or is there more?

Ahsoka has been kinda wavering on clidd!town a bit recently but still doesnt want him elimed so idk

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i am curious if anyone can agree with me on Uncrowned being town, i think it's more likely they do a random low effort new strategy in a town game than a scum one. I believe how they're basing all their reads off of others reads on them in a sort of overly self centered way which i see from town a lot.. idk. I guess i am betting that they'd have played at least a bit more seriously as scum and i think their reads are real

Ali still my strongest town

ABR I could buy being scum but still lean this gameplay tactic being town. It sucks that im gonna lean town on both Uncrowned and ABR for this but oh well. i do put a lot of stock in my theory on why he reads me the way he does

Hop i skimmed over and still like so EH

so i'm probably at like

{Ali}
{Uncrowned, Hopkirk}
{Kanna}
{ABR}
-
{Ahsoka, Pooky, clidd, Mena}

Less people in the game than i thought there were!

pedit: Kanna probably is just town huh

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I'll maybe sheep Kanna on Pooky then actuallly

2 of Clidd/Ahsoka/Mena dream solve

Unless there's three scum oh no

Agh I also have an issue with clidd/Ahsoka being scum together. Ahsoka protesting to ABR that he isn't confscum if clidd isn't scum (957/960) felt more like something you'd do to intentionally seem like you're scum with clidd than actually defend yourself from Ahsoka/clidd accusations. maybe thats too wifomy though

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i honestly don't see myself voting anything else other than that or mena today tbh :/

me

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omg you're so cute !!!!!

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i can't with you, clidd...

UNVOTE:

beginning to wonder if it's something ridonkulous like {hopkirk, ahsoka, mena}; i'll think bout it tomorrow

yeh somewhere around there

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MT is my second favorite person ever now

wooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

I will accept that Kanna probably isn't scum if Pooky is town though

you think Kanna is more likely to flip scum if Pooky does? I don't

i think if Pooky is town he's reading her right

Well if they're both scum, then neither of them has to feel guilty about pocketing each other x3 Although sure it's not likely either. i kinda ended up deciding Kanna is prolly town

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Morning Tweet can you do some hard ATE so that I feel guilty about the paranoia I've got that you're pocketing me?

you..

*sniff*

suspect me, Hop? whyyyy (ノ﹏ヽ)

Also i haven't focused on you barely at all why do you feel like you're being pocketed?

oh yeah the day 1 wagon. that's a good point MT, thanks

what abt it

Oh you mean like, as a reason for TRing you? yeah i thought you came off looking better than Ahsoka/clidd for their contributions cause i felt it was uncharacteristic for you to be so confident in a way you would be unlikely to fake as scum

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what

why would I feel guilty about pocketing Kanna

You tell me! i dont get it

morning is quite bold in this game and it keeps throwing me off, but i have to keep reminding myself it's probably town-indicative

im currently on break, so i have more time to play, but i am only in this one game.. got lots of time to read. I don't like pushing things without having a decent picture of the game and i require a lot of reading to get there which i dont get to in a lot of games

pedit: not feeling guilt doesn't make me good at scum, just makes me not feel bad about lying!

i would feel bad about soultowntelling, and i know pooky is the same way. his post was so beautiful, it's hard to imagine people are that evil to do it for personal benefit !

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ok then

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wat

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Me apparently

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I mean me as a partner with her, Ahsoka suggested it

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I could see Ahsoka being town if Mena is scum with a townread that most of the game has wrong

pedit: Do you mean "not scum with"?

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I never said partners.

well who's your best guess then

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nevermind

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do i have to aggressively take charge to get people to vote mena?
I don't care if he's on V/LA honestly, How people are reaching the conclusion that this slot is town just doesn't make sense.

No id vote him in a heartbeat but then the game probably pauses cause it's not exactly a controversial vote at this point and he's not around

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Also there's the trap of trusting my townreads too much so automatically assuming it's the player(s) with least content

I'm only decently confident on Alisae being town, following by Uncrowned/Kanna TBH at this point. Throw in some Hopkirk/ABR and idk maybe sheep Kanna on Pooky

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hopkirk honeslty seems like scum given my townreads on a lot of other players are just stronger

yea but feels like recency bias cause everytime I review i still like Hopkirk

whatcha townreading uncrowned for?

lemme grab

i am curious if anyone can agree with me on Uncrowned being town, i think it's more likely they do a random low effort new strategy in a town game than a scum one. I believe how they're basing all their reads off of others reads on them in a sort of overly self centered way which i see from town a lot.. idk. I guess i am betting that they'd have played at least a bit more seriously as scum and i think their reads are real

ya i dont expect that to get agreed with for a long while even if im right which i think i am but maybe not for right reasons

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honestly i liked Kanna's attack on clidd

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there are multiple worlds where we're all town.

Yeh i suck more in those worlds

for you/Mena to both be town that means im screwing up multiple townreads probably which is totally plausible but still

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Cause they were loverizing people instead

...no, but I think still scum probably did something other than submit "No kill". A lot of times Hectic's setups do something weird on N1 or on an early night, although it's usually public knowledge the next day so mmm ?

I know this is Ydrasse's setup but she's been in multiple silent stars and might have worked with Hectic on this game or at least drawn inspiration. I know she likes the series

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WE KNOW

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why the HECK does Hop think im trying to pocket him? Hop why??

That's all I got to say rn i wanna watch my movie ok later

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i think ive had more interactions with you asking why you think im pocketing you than ive had any other type of interaction combined

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pretend im voting mena ill get to this soon enough

Ahsokas role claim is fuckin bonkers wow

Stop trying to put me as scum w/ clidd even though clidd is in my bottom reads yet i voted Pooky/Kanna over him nevermind i see why youre doing that

How anyone can think Ali is anything other than town is beyond me. theres my real pocket attempt hop

Kanna goes up in my reads honestly dont think that flips scum ever, Ahsoka v. clidd was exhausting. like maybe Ahsoka plays harder if this was a scum game of his but like he always self metas in every game so whatever id rather decide his alignment with the role claim and his reads

Clidd is also a really good scum player. i was a bit surprised that clidds scumread on Ahsoka transcended Ali's momentary innocent on Ahsoka (although i still haven't really gotten to the meat of the 1v1)

So I'm sure on Ali/Kanna town now, i think i could stand to find a third

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hi NSG!

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hello morning tweet! would you like to do a "fun" thing?

im all about fun things!

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alright! without going back to reference or fact-check and in as much or as little detail as you want, can you summarize the events of this game as you remember them?

that does sound pretty fun and for added fun ill do it in between tabbing in and out of league

Only one interesting thing happend in RVS: Infinity called Alisae town too quickly for Hopkirk's taste. Day one downwards spiraled from there. Hopkirk and Ahsoka tag-teamed the fuck out of him where i think Hop's was decently genuine looking and Ahsokas was more forced (although not necessarily scummy) in comparison. Additionally, Ali seemed pretty town on tht day. Ahsoka quick hammered Infinity and onto D2

I abused the hec out of my neighbourhood chat overnight to review. I cannot remember any conclusions i made though as they are not really that important now. uhhhh I guess the above actually were a result of that review cause i was gone d1. the other suspicions are outdated (mainly pooky/kanna)

Today! ABR and Uncrowned took early heat for being weird until most people decided ABR wouldnt be like this as scum. Uncrowned remains controversial although is mostly not talked about too much as of late but is either high or low on lists

Kanna vs. Clidd was a huge thing where first we put heat on Kanna then clidd. Pooky locktowned Kanna which some sheep, although some just read her as high town. Generally she came off good from her casing on clidd. Clidd is less good remaining low on some lists but still he too had the heat removed in favour of Mena. And now Ahsoka

Uhh i wasnt here for last 15 pages. Essentially ahsoka and clidd had a fallling out. They are hood mates and generally clidd produced a lot of content whereas ahsoka not as much in the PT (this has caused some to believe clidd is scummier, some ahsoka i guess). They used to townread each other pretty hard but now they're MORTAL ENEMIES. I only skimmed it in bed this morning so cant really summarize it well. I do know Ahsoka did a batshit crazy claim of sorts that Pooky/Kanna do NOT believe. I personally think its sort of convienent sounding he's a convuluted delayed ic but whatever

theres the most important events i can remember

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Pooky locktowned Kanna which some sheep, although some just read her as high town.

i mean townread her independently thats what i was going for

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if you guys are arguing whether mena's rep in posts were scumslips, they weren't they were definitely jokes

Maybe sort of awkward, maybe. generally i just think Mena is +scum cause PoE. However, i recognize that i get biased once i have a bunch of townreads so enh

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well not arguing but talking about it anyway

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uh, no? granted, i lack context, but menalque is, i'm decently sure, both a fairly good scum player and not stupid. i don't imagine that he would just randomly actually scumslip upon entering a 5 person neighborhood.

is there something i'm missing?

I mean he busses so ya he’s dumb
But I don’t think its a scumslip. I think he just doesnt have scum pt access. What do you think of my theory?

oh i see what you're saying but yeah i dont think so imo

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oh are you saying its like a traitor crumb god i think im still missing the idea lol

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Clidd, why did you think Ahsoka was strongly town earlier in the game ? (as he thought of you)

you probably mentioned but i forget

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any thoughts on this, miss tweety?

I think its unlikely that there happenes to be a traitor in the setup that crumbed it in their first post

i suppose giving the traitor a hood ?? would kind of make sense if their teammate is in it i guess? Overall i just think it was a joke without deeper meaning

Regardless of that though I still give mena higher than rand scum % with my current evaluation. i'm going to do another one later after reading though. At the moment the only things im sure of is Ali/Kanna town -- I know there are townreads i have that are faulty even if mena is scum (although itd help if he is)

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I can't think of a reason he as town claims that when he does but it makes sense if he's scum who cracked under the pressure?

Yeah bottom line dont really see where that claim comes from

i am a little worried he just gets frustrated as town super easily ?? but that play really doesnt make a lot of sense as town versus as scum. Also, it's literally a delayed IC right?

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i guess "i need to find my one true loooove" makes sense for the setup

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i guess "i need to find my one true loooove" makes sense for the setup

but also like having it so you suddenly become an IC afterwards is just convenient

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i am very sorry if this post ends up being long but i missed last 20ish pages

like I don't think his posts actually come from scum and like if he's scum like what is his plan to help scum get through this day

Fair point regarding Pooky, if we're actually on scum's trail then he did not much to stop us or change the game at all for the main part

pooky gives me paranoia because he's not as overtly jumping out as a townread as he has before to me every time i've played with him
normally when he gets in any kind of 1v1 (eg Taylor in death curse/Isis in matrix/technically me i guess in silent star 3) i start thinking he's obvtown. i don't get the obvtown vibes and i'm not confident putting him as town just because he's giving me town vibes

Yeh he hasn't done any of that kinda obvtown stuff yet sure

i won't vote it until you change ur avatar back to something better and not as offputting

same

what is WRONG with you people? it's cute!!

ABR being scum makes sense if {Kanna, Uncrowned, Clidd} are all town

If i have to yeet an extra slot down the line id yeet ABR b4 Uncrowned probably, dont know about clidd yet. Like i mean if theres scum we still need to find, then I can buy scum!ABR just feeling like being lazy and nodding his head at most elims i guess

I had a support karma that decided they were going to just try to steal my jungle camps and do nothing else.
They even flashed to try to steal red from me

what a villain

what movie are you watching tweetie?

Die hard! watched it with my mate

what's even worse is that it's like a fake attempt at meta

at least with kanna and ali there was some thought behind why im playing this way and some level of benefit of the doubt

you're just making assertions with zero backing and now you're going to try force a meaning out of a line that i called out for being bullshit. you probably thought I'd let it slip so you were comfortable making a throwaway read like that but nahhhh I got my sable instincts going off right now fam. nothing slipping by your boi

speaking of kanna

my sweet, the fact that you've posted so little is mildly concerning

How do ppl not read this as town this is town i think

why the HECK does Hop think im trying to pocket him? Hop why??

That's all I got to say rn i wanna watch my movie ok later

so uh... i may have reread the times you've mentioned me just now and realized that my concerns 'MT feels like they're TRing me in how they're interacting with me harder than they're saying' are just wrong since you had me as a top townread during at least the height of the paranoia.

I was thinking that it felt like you were interacting me as though I was a strongtownread while you had me as neutral. That uh... doesn't seem to be based on anything

Idk wht had you paranoid but i had you as a high townread during my nighttime review, then it decayed as the day went on leading me to believe you at least had some chances of being a deepwolf so you went down a bit

I read the bit where Ahsoka and clidd squabble again and I cannot tell for the life of me why the two think the other is scum LOL. Ahsoka believes Clidd is setting him up and should be townreading him correctly by this point. Ahsoka of course brings up that if he was scum, he wouldn't be in this position.. okay. I see that Ahsoka mentions clidd positioning on him a lot but apparently clidd was positioning on him in the private neighbourhood thread (??) so what does that mean. Guess i can't really ask now

It's fine. I have a way to IC myself this game, so if I don't become conf town, the game can fade me Day 4.

It's fine. I have a way to IC myself this game, so if I don't become conf town, the game can fade me Day 4.

Nevermind, this is a 12 player game. I keep thinking it's a large.

these posts are 39 seconds apart, they do seem kinda fake. more importantly I am

deeply

curious why Ahsoka brings this up in reponse to just clidd voting him

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Your reasoning for scum!clidd is meh.

I'm voting you rn because I think you're scum, period.

Then I'm done with this conversation.

I target a player at night, and if I hit a specific player, I become Lovers with them, and I gain the Innocent Child ability.

Uncrowned is not my lover.

wait on this for a sec, ill get back to the claim later prolly

You also specifically paired me up with Menalque in a way that doesn't really have anything backing it up.

Menalque can just be town, but he's gotten hard screwed over by me before, so I can see Menalque as town pushing there.

Let me check where clidd supposedly does this. I am noticing a pattern where Ahsoka repeats the same thing over and over again -- he likes to reiterate why he finds someone scummy many times, just like the Infinity ordeal D1

Ok, the only thing left now is Ahsoka/Menalque to actually play the game.

lol if it's this

No wait, Flavour is talking about how clidd would always put Mena/him in a "Paranoia" tier I think. anyway

Even if you end up being town, I stand by it looks like you were setting me up, it doesn't magically change. Your trajectory doesn't make sense to me, your accusation of me being low info is plain incorrect, and you putting Menalque/Me in a 1v1 looks like scum carefully positioning.

I don't care if you end up being town here, post game, this is 100% a solid reason for me to believe you are scum, and you have also continuously acted like I had no reason to scum read you, when I have multiple reasons, all that I've stated, but you're grouping it in like I have 1 single reason.

I had also stated this towards you before, and you chose to wait to push me until after I decided to push you.

Why should I town read you?

You went from town read, to null, to null with Menalque/Me having 1 scum, to slight scum, to waiting until after I pushed you as possible scum to vote me.

What part of this doesn't make sense?

I feel like scum!FL felt like he was justified in his suspicions of town!clidd, and also felt like clidd was ignoring how that theoretically town!FL is correct to suspect his behaviour, so he got super frustrated. like town!clidd doesn't buy that FL suspects him, and scum!FL feels like there is totally enough reason to suspect clidd. I wonder if that's something that gets on Flavour's nerves as scum?

Obviously that could also just be explained by FL being town lol but I get the sense that FL is upset with clidd suspecting him for reasons that he doesnt feel are right

As for the reasons themselves, enh -- I feel like i'm missing out on a huge part of the story by not seeing the PT. Flavour thinks that clidd in particular has a faulty progression on him and I just can't read the progression well enough to decide. Like I recognize that clidd strongly felt Ahsoka was town, and it went downwards into him having Mena/FL towards the bottom (don't see how this is tying Ahsoka to Mena though beyond them being on same tier), and now to this. I see that. Ahsoka pointing it out doesn't tell me how it's faulty or why scum!clidd is motivated to do so.

And it's bold for scum!clidd to set you up, you're annoying to 1v1.

This is why you have to set me up.

Well beyond this anyway I guess

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Even if you don't think I'm town, it doesn't make sense to think I'm scum spamming my thoughts and developing my speculations/solve in a genuine way on the hood.

You may even find it inconsistent how I'm thinking as town, but you would hardly accept my line of reasoning as malicious, especially on the topic of you/Menalque.

Yeah man I want to know exactly what the point of this is for clidd!scum and why it makes Ahsoka interpret clidd's progression as scummy. Obviously I can't now, but yeah

I'll maybe sheep Kanna on Pooky then actuallly

2 of Clidd/Ahsoka/Mena dream solve

Unless there's three scum oh no

Agh I also have an issue with clidd/Ahsoka being scum together. Ahsoka protesting to ABR that he isn't confscum if clidd isn't scum (957/960) felt more like something you'd do to intentionally seem like you're scum with clidd than actually defend yourself from Ahsoka/clidd accusations. maybe thats too wifomy though

they're doing the same thing clidd is doing with Me/Menalque.

I see that the Ahsoka/Mena point was just meaningless cause i literally have done nothing to stick Ahsoka to Mena other than suspect both of them simultaneously, even in the post he's quoting here

Everything after clidd leaves just looks like FL trying to actually take control and do something to push for clidd being scum, like how does me suspecting both Ahsoka/Mena simultaneously mean anything? Even if he thinks clidd is scum doing it, why does that imply that I would be more likely do it too, as scum, and as clidd's partner?

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Bullshit I'm second scummiest for suspecting Ahsoka and Mena simultaneously because apparently thats something scummy clidd is doing. I'm gonna stop making useless comments towards Ahsoka now. Below Pooky and Mena! Well not entirely useless comments but still

I've barely read your posts in the neighborhood.

WHY NOT?

Im done doing that now i got it out of my system

however I thought the scummy progression I was missing was largely in the neighbourhood that you apparently weren't reading so what ?! Did clidd make up Ahsoka saying that the neighbourhood showed scummy positioning or?

Spoiler: these

It still doesn't make sense for you to think it's "clidd is setting me up".

I would have articulated it in public if I really wanted you eliminated. My explanation was in good faith, but you are overreacting rn.

And it's bold for scum!clidd to set you up, you're annoying to 1v1. So yeah, it's more likely scum!you reasoning imo.

Even if you don't think I'm town, it doesn't make sense to think I'm scum spamming my thoughts and developing my speculations/solve in a genuine way on the hood.

You may even find it inconsistent how I'm thinking as town, but you would hardly accept my line of reasoning as malicious, especially on the topic of you/Menalque.

Nope that is what Ahsoka was talking about:

How? You've been in the neighborhood lowering me for days now.

Your trajectory showed that you were looking to push me, and you tied me together with Menalque for reasons I still don't know.

so that's just a lol i guess idk. So Ahsoka has come to the conclusion that clidd is strongly scum based off of him positioning to vote him that he meticulously set up in their private neighbourhood where he goes from hard townreading -> suspecting FL and mind you Ahsoka has barely read the posts throughout this whole way so basically Ahsoka must be really damn good at reading clidd or else that doesn't make a lick of sense

Am I missing anything here? Clidd switching Ahsoka down to scum in the hood is scummy positioning, Clidd putting Ahsoka on the same tier as Mena is sus (AND IT IS FOR ME TOO ?), and Clidd saying Ahsoka is low info is sus. That's it.

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Actually no, Ahsoka, you're scum and I got you in your false reasoning to think I'm scum.

maybe. and i haven't even given any thought to the claim yet, I'm just going off of Ahsoka vs. clidd rn!

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ok.

now I'm pretty sure you are like a good mechanical player.

Why does it make any sense to target a informed townie who knows of your innocence with a loverizer ability? If he's town, you are just decreasing town EV and giving the scum an extra cycle since we went into night on evens.

If he's actually informed of your innocence - then it makes no sense to target him since the benefit of a successful link (you becoming IC) is um, kind of pointless? He's already informed of your innocence, wouldn't it be easier to just ask him to claim ?

I don't even know if who I'm searching for is town or scum, but I was going to target. Not targeting is just kind of lame, and in theory, Ydrasse should have made it compulsive.

Like you understand I have a lot of respect for you as a player right? You are mechanically very strong and I think you understand how to think through each role.

The reason I am really doubting you here is because I think you made this up and didn't think it through. If this is your actual role I expect you to be weighing the benefits of actually linking and deciding mechanically it would be quite stupid to actually link because like there is almost nothing to gain and a lot of downside.

What's the purpose behind an Innocent Child targetting another town player then being revealed as an IC thereby getting the two of them killed? That's actually awful and i refuse to believe it's possible no designer would notice that giving them an IC ability literally makes the least sense out of any reward for finding somebody you're about to LOVERIZE with

So yeah, the only way this works is if he's searching for scum. Now he is claiming to have not realized that here and to have not really thought about it. Now I am mechanically pretty weak (for example I did not realize that Supersaint Enabler is just something you should claim immediately since there's no downside and only upside). I am not really sure if i would have realized it's a bad idea to target -- I probably would have believed in the setup designer to not make my role have me actively hurt my team if I choose to use it. Obviously that's kind of an excuse FL uses but yea

Oh also I think it might be worth noting if FL is making this up, he definitely didnt do so on the spot cause he had those Uncrowned "signalling" posts ready FAST

I think you think I put more effort into the mechanical side of things than I do.

I'm actually the type that sees crazy mechanics in games, then click away.

That's a major reason I don't play many Open games. I'm like almost strictly Large Theme games that are relatively normal Mafia. My games I mod show this. I can do large setups and wacky roles, and balance them.

I'm good with setup specs, and late game I can solve using mechanical stuff, but generally, I only think about that type of stuff when I'm scum.

Maybe I'm just terrible with mech but there is a good chance i would not really have though about it beyond assuming designers want me to have fun. So whatever, not gonna factor this in too much. Especially when i dont know flavour really so idk if this is true for him as well or not

pooky 1468 - it is fair that if Flavour felt that Uncrowned was town that knew he was town, it makes no sense to target him at all. Also Pooky's point that FL would have interpreted Pooky's very first post about trying to find his true love just kind of makes way more sense as a signal than Unc having Ahsoka as a townread

FL mentions that his intention was never to find lover crumbs. FL definitely says that it piqued his interest that Uncrowned has a way-too-early townread on him

They literally said nice to see you rolled town, and I'm a roll that's searching for someone to target to be able to confirm myself as town.

Do you think I had done anything by that point that would evoke that strong a town read that never wavered?

So FL was more interested in noticing someone who seemed too sure that he was town than he was in someone trying to signal they're looking for a lover. Ughhh I wish i could say he's scum from this but I straight up might not pay that much attention to my role. would FL not pay that much attention ? I dont know

Awesome that i'm not even finding Ahsoka like strongly scummy for the same reasons as Pooky does for this mech stuff, though. The combination just makes him look way worse. In an ideal world, FL thinking it okay to target someone who might be informed he's town makes no sense, missing the pooky crumb in post #1 makes no sense, but whatever I can cut slack for stuff like that cause I am bad with that

Him having a suspiciously designed role that again, is literally a delayed IC (isn't that like a meme fakeclaim?), along with having been too lazy/inactive/not wanting to play to use it optimally, along with this clidd stuff just doesnt come off great. And maybe !! My nighttime analysis of the Infinity wagon !! he was willfully ignoring what made Infinity town like i thought !! The question wasn't whether he did that, it was more would he do it as town though

Is this all outdated, we decided Ahsoka isn't scum in last 10 pages, we're going after Mena instead, so this is pointless? Please stop me rn if so

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you can tell my mood by the amounts of punctuation i use

I have a tell that is probably like this but Hectic will not tell me what it is so it's always probably going to be accurate, why do you get to be aware of your posting habits and i dont? (ノ_<)

guys we can't vote the V/LA player even if everyone else is just way more townie
he's on V/LA
We need more from him even tho everyone else is just town

ITS NOT HARD TO BE TOWNIER THASN A V/LA PLAYER NOW IS IT

i actually kind of mean that in an unironic way, at least 85% of the game usually ends up higher in my reads than the inactive slots and that does not mean the inactive slots are scum every game. Maybe youre better at me at getting all those townreads but even still, just one *maybe two* wrong reads is really all it would take

you content doesn't really move me one way or another tbh. you'll null + pooky = strong town

i have transcended beyond sheeping Pooky i actually just think Kanna is town

No, this isn't true.

Only scum!you would think that, Ahsoka.

I love you if you're town, this is a great call. Earlier i thought it was kind of strange you were so confident but that when i just woke up and obviously didnt read into anything you guys were saying

With ABR! And Hop! switching to Mena after Ali cried for help a bit more I am absolutely positive Ahsoka/Mena has scum and we have nothing to fear throwing them out.

Ahsoka's play was sort of like a downwards spiral nothing really seemed to work and they come off really bad and yet most of the thread still would rather coinflip Mena some of which are just claiming to not read (ABR) and also Hop just prefers it because idk

NSG so far has only really debated with Ali on whether or not Mena scumslipped/traitor crumbed instantly upon repping in which is like a nonfactor to me for both Mena and Fl's alignments. Nothing about the role claim at all? can we talk about that?

Clidd, why did you think Ahsoka was strongly town earlier in the game ? (as he thought of you)

you probably mentioned but i forget

it was a passing impression, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't remember exactly, but there was a period when the game was aligned with another one temporarily, so I was playing with FL in two games.

in the other game (names on the list) I started the game suspecting him, but then I started to trust him a lot and that trust was transmitted to this game.

but by the time that game was over and i found out he was scum, i noticed that a lot of the things i was townreading about him could easily be manufactured.

so I started to be more cautious with my read and started to develop until I could be sure of his alignment.

there were some periods when he commented on things about paranoia, of finding me scummy and there was a moment when he thought me and abr ​​were partners in the hood, but I felt that I was so identical to our past game (in which i was town), that many of these impressions did not sound genuine to me. it was almost as if he was approaching the game in another way so that I couldn't detect scum!he. he knew that i would suspect him if he reciprocated the reads imo, which is why makes soo much sense to much his push of ''oh, clidd is setting me up'' in a scum!FL scenario.

I believe you, that makes a lot of sense with how secretive you two's reads of each other being town were

Let's fucking wiinnnnnnnnnnnn what are the votes?

VOTE: Ahsoka/NSG

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The people i think are strongly town are voting Ahsoka whereas all the ones where i know i have a townread wrong seem to prefer Mena

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I'm in such a weird mood and I dont know if that's affecting my confidence in this read but ill see you !! another time good night

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VOTE: ABR

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i have a solid townblock of Kanna/Ashuka/you and would like to add MT to that

What had you so sure Ahsoka was town for the majority of D2, Hop?

I assume this is what also led you to lean Clidd v. Ahsoka being a 50/50 and therefore making Mena a better elim, since Pooky/Kanna/I didn't really see it as a toss-up

i know that you switched to thinking Ahsoka/Mena/Unc down the line, although you still wanted Mena/Uncrowned first and i just never really got why.

maybe it is just (Ahsoka, Mental, Uncrowned) that would make a lot of sense in explaining how they were playing it

I'm also curious what you meant by "how they were playing it" -- i remember Ahsoka/ABR/Uncrowned that were playing funny early D2, so I'm confused what you mean by Mena here

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its v unlikely mena is scum and wanted to PL the most important scum role lol.

I'm assuming the scum know that FL is the recruiter because if they don't even have that piece of information I'm not sure this can be characterized as mafia game.

Fair point that Mena began D2 pushing for Ahsoka so i suppose it would only make sense that down the line he sides with clidd over Ahsoka

ABR has been consistently scummy in hood and prefered Mena of course.

Hopkirk read to me as forcing his vote on Mena a bit -- he characterized clidd v. FL as a 50/50 when in reality everyone on Ahsoka wanted Ahsoka, it wasn't just that we thought it was TvS, we thought it was Ahsoka. I also find it interesting he paranoias me, doesnt townread Kanna outside of Pooky's vouch, and also keeps Uncrowned in his scumpool. Additionally I'm unsure what he feels ties Mena to Ahsoka (Uncrowned is understandable enough i suppose).

Mena might be scum but I felt he was a tad townier than ABR in hood, dunno will have to see.

I do think it's 2 in these 3.

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We don't really want to hit scum too early and let the last scum start nightkilling imo.

I believe i went thru this during night, basically if we hit scum today that means our Xylo has 3 players -- if we hit scum tomorrow instead, then it's a Mylo with 4. So either way it doesn't really matter, i dont believe we lose an elim.

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I think the other 2 scum roles can kill.
If this was a nightless game that was not advertised as nightless I would be very surprised cause for scum to not have a kill and not advertise that honestly that doesn't sound fun to play.

It would be difficult to get players base on premise.

If that were true why wouldn't they kill last night? I do lean that they function the same way as FL since if they can kill that's BS imo considering we have two town lovers. We don't get very many miselims

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i never got the memo on that one

Not that I would ever design a nightless game, i wouldn't wish that on anyone

i dont really see what's stopping Ydrasse/Hectic from designing a secret nightless though especially when it goes so well with the finding lost lover sort of theme

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Surprise mechanic

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Also it's technically not nightless

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Also it's technically not nightless

IF UR SCUM AND U FIND OUT SURPRISE YOU DON'T HAVE A NIGHTKILL UNLESS SCUM DIES, THEN THAT IS NOT FUN TO PLAY. PERIOD. END OF CONVERSATION.

ive played as no nightkill scum before it's not super fun but also i like not knowing what to expect from a setup

Also their mechanic is basically searching each other out which is cool

If scum didn't know that FL was their partner then that puts Mena easily back on table sure

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Also works for me then, Hop!

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Yeah but the other two scum might know each other

And share a neighbourhood together

And just know of FL's existence but not who i suppose

would count as an informed minority although just barely lol considering they don't have the mafia PT, just FL does

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Hahaha I think it'd be fun if I knew FL's identity and had to signal to him somehow, but less fun if I don't know who FL is

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Lol

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Nicely done then, Ali

So this entire time, you've been hard tunnelling Mena and arguing with him every chance you get for that reason

i didn't see it coming

Star-Crossed thing sounds frustrating though. I was under the impression Mena goes "Who we willing?" in hoods as a running joke so i really didnt think it meant anything

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Sorry Hop i just thought your reasoning end of D2 was forced but now I see the claim might have messed w/ it + I got sus since you suspected kanna/me/unc at different points and still to at least some extent

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Your D1 was very town though

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That's kinda amazing actually i rlly just took it as you two suspecting each other from heavily clashing playstyles while ignoring other parts of the game (Aka him ignoring Ali being towny and you basically townreading everyone but Mena which doesnt = mena scum)

Which I guess it was true that it was a result of clashing playstyles

wild

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Sorry Hop i just thought your reasoning end of D2 was forced but now I see the claim might have messed w/ it + I got sus since you suspected kanna/me/unc at different points and still to at least some extent

I never suspected kanna or you that I'm aware of. I might have mentioned I was considering you, but that means I haven't sorted you yet, not that I think you're scum. When I sorted you both you were sorted easily as town.

Ahhh nice I don't think there'd have been many issues then

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i was gonna make that joke

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Scumhunting would be really easy post one scumflip if nobody ever bussed

In my very limited experience it seems difficult to pull off well though

tbh i just want to see a game where all of three scum hard TR each other from d1 and just vouch for each other on meta and get suspicious of people doubting their strong townreads. Now that would mess with my heuristics.

id lose to that lol

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idk i still really like the theme of trying to incorporate love into mechanics

Not having a consistent nightkill is very tragic though, as well as not being able to communicate privately

dont know what id have done differently w/ it tho

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like you could've just responded to mena's joke with a joke about killing someone and really open-wolfed it up :]

this would have worked, at least at first, if Mena then brought up how that's an opening he does all the time and shown the games like he did

Of course after that exact person dies then it might get spicy if it's an odd kill, but still

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Maybe in pregame the mod could let one of the star-crossed lovers pick a mate they know they will mindmeld with? Lul

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well if u had coordinated a kill via secret code or gotten Ahsoka's attention then it wouldve been fun

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i always give Ali the win versus ABR

I probably give Ali the win versus Uncrowned

Probably not Kanna and never clidd

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Ali had me in a deep pocket

Blasted hoods always hurting me in some form or another

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so the lelo would have been a crossvote btw Alisae and MT with Kanna picking.
hey Kanna, who do you think you'd have picked?

That would have been something holy shit

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this is essentially what alisae/me have said the plan would be (unless the last town PR(s) claimed and affected this i guess)

sounds like hell to me

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i love your pfp unc

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dont listen to them

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hey i dont wanna be choosing sides or anything, Kanna can make whatever decisions she chooses and she has my full support no matter wht

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Yeah fr this playerlist was a dream

I am surprised we had masons lmao, i get the feeling the setup was balanced around mafia hammering out a kill or two and finding each other quickly

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aahhHh the memories NnNNNOOOO

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I love the setup actually, so many fuckinm love mechanics packed in omg

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Shiki's crumb analysis was incredible LOL

And im glad i could mindmeld with Murderkitty

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After Mena died, would we learn that the other scum is in the hood and they were trying to communicate or is that part left out

Cause ABR and Uncrowned were definitely not doing that

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Ok makes sense

Thinking back on it i think Ali is the only player to even talk to Mena in there prior to D3. I skipped over every single part where Ali and Mena 1v1'd this game cause i figured it wasn't going to be AI OOPS

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menalque you didnt NK MT day 1 i am shocked by this

I love playing with MT tho I couldn’t do it

no way

you couldn't bring yourself to kill me? >ᴗ< ♡

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Never oh bat-eared one <3

! <3 ! !! ! !

LIKE WHATS THE POINT YOU FUCKING BAT

This is still so funny to me

now that you mention it that has to be my favourite line to come out of this game

That is also hilarious that Ali was TMIing about the setup consistently thruout the entire game