One Night Stand [Game Over]

[clidd]

VOTE: Infinity 324

[clidd]

I'm feeling some townpings of Alisae, Hopkirk and Ahsoka.

It's strange to see ABR being friendly, but I am open to new experiences.

The way Infinity approached and expressed himself about Ahsoka, without contextualizing his opinion about the discussion between Ahsoka x Hopkirk in a more organic way, as I would like from town!Infinity, reflected me as a negative ping.

Everyone else is null.

[clidd]

It is also a hemorrhagic pleasure to be here.

I see some familiar faces and some less so. Anyways, I hope to enjoy the time I'll spend here.

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By the way, Infinity, why do I have the feeling that you weren't really trying to figure out Ahsoka's alignment in posts 254 and 259?

It seemed to me that you were more concerned with explaining something that made sense than necessarily promoting an interaction where you could get something AI from Ahsoka.

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The reason why I voted flavor to begin with is because he seemed to be trying to control the narrative a bit, and I felt that he was trying to look town. Instead of just waiting to see how hopkirk would react to his posting, he made sure to say "Look guys, I'm watching to see how hopkirk reacts to this!" Ali pointed out a similar thing in 131.

But you are aware of how FL is approaching his playstyle at this alt and how you can approach his slot to extract something AI.

It seems to me that the instance you are taking is of someone who is seeing this for the first time and generally pushing for reasons that you should know are not necessarily scum!Ahsoka trying to control the narrative.

I imagine it would make more sense for town!Infinity to evaluate the context of the discussion involving Ahsoka earlier, what would that imply in the scenarios scum!Ahsoka and town!Ahsoka and only after this process takes a side, am I wrong?

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I mean, it does not seem to me that you are really evaluating both sides of the coin and your decision to take one side was not congruent as a reflection on the scenarios that could explain what Ahsoka's line of action would suggest in AI terms.

In other words, there is a lack of analysis on your part in relation to Ahsoka. The impression I have of town!you is someone impartial when evaluating a slot and the way you approached the scum!Ahsoka side more than town!Ahsoka didn't seem organic.

[clidd]

Ah, I was out of the forum for a while and came back only last month. My English is not coming so fluent rn, so if something is not understandable you should tell me.

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Ok, but you know that it wouldn't work for you to get something AI from him doing that, considering that you already knew about his play in this account, so why promote something that, theoretically, you know that it would not work? and I was talking about a short analysis, or rather, an impression of how both the town and scum scenarios would explain his actions - you had the context of the discussion on the last few pages as material.

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It wasn't exactly the way I was imagining it, but that's ok. I understand what you mean, thanks.

I need a good night's sleep to think about it.

[clidd]

Reading soon (actually not soon, but close to soon).

[clidd]

Ok, my distribution looks like this:

{Menalque | Ahsoka | Morning}

{Hopkirk}

{Alisae}

{ABR | Kanna}

{Uncrowned | Pooky}

I believe that the entry of Menalque and the way he expressed himself in the game was towny. I remember doing extensive research (private) on his meta to learn more about scumplay/townplay and I am convinced that I can clearly distinguish when I see scum!Menalque. In general, I feel that he has acted in good faith, which is a characteristic that I associate with town!Menalque and that scum!Menalque has some problems when he tries to emulate imo. It is not a read that I can consider as a lock at the moment, but I will eventually see if I am right or wrong. Regarding Ahsoka and Morning, I have personal reasons to believe that Ahsoka is town, not much related to this game, while Morning reflected me as genuine when I observed her analysis on some posts and I also believe that her frequency/fluency pbp is occurring in a very organic way. I didn't produce much substantial content for analysis, but I would like to see Morning's impressions about me, because in our last game together she interpreted my attitudes very well and I expect an instance similar here.

Hopkirk has not reflected me as scummy in any of his posts since the beginning of the current day stage, maintaining the positive impression I got from D1, primarily in the interactions between him and Ahsoka and the positioning in relation to Infinity. But considering the fact that he didn't produce any towny signals for me today, he is below the top three that I mentioned.

Alisae is a slot that I had a good impression on during D1, but when entering D2 I was unable to capture signals that would sustain or evolve my read from D1. There was a decline, but not in the scummy sense, but in the absence of a more towny presence (from my perspective). I don't know exactly how to read em, so although em dropped to null, I believe the slot is still above ABR/Kanna.

ABR has demonstrated a behavior that I have never seen before from him. But the impression I have of the past in relation to him is a strong duel player, who manages to perform well in both alignments. I remember that in the partition game he was a prominent element for the town victory (and my scum defeat), and in zoey mafia he was very competent as scum. I have difficulty seeing his posts beneficial for a scum!ABR scenario, so I consider he null at the moment until I can understand both sides of the coin. Regarding Kanna, I believe that it is fair, because of our historical context together, that she speculates about scum!Clidd above town!Clidd based on what I have shown so far, but although she attributed a description to the impression she had of my sequence of posts during my interaction with Infinity, she used the "clidd not obvtown = probably scum" argument, which more recently scum players have used to formalize a suspicion about me, something that GuiltyLion did in forest fire and that Menalque and Morning probably remember. For me it would be more organic if she took on a questioning instance, as Menalque and Morning did, but the current instance suggests that she is convinced of what she is talking about, even without enough information to make this kind of inference. But even though I have this negative impression about her, I see both town!Kanna mistake or malicious scum position!Kanna, which is why she is null to me and not necessarily in the pool next to scum.

Regarding the last two, I feel that both are approaching the game with a more empty playstyle, in which I have not been able to absorb much in the AI ​​sense. I don't have any games with Uncrowned or Pooky, so I would appreciate help to read them. I can't differentiate between low energy, LHF or playstyle context.

pedit: Hallo.

[clidd]

And, well, I'm not sure in an uncrowned elimination.

Would like to talk more before voting.

[clidd]

Talk about uncrowned playing like that as scum.

It seems to me that he is intentionally playing as LHF.

And about Pooky, who have given me scumpings.

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I don't think the exact motivation for why ABR had that thought of you, Morning, is necessary if we establish that scum!ABR would have no advantage in playing the way he is playing rn. I am interested to see how he will approach the rest of the game, which is why I have no interest in eliminating him today.

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And while I'm unsure about Uncrowned, he still has to try to play the game more substantially.

In other words, show that he is town. He can start by sharing his reads about the game.

[clidd]

Hum.

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VOTE: Kanna

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Ok, we're listening.

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Ok, and does that change anything in your read on me, Kanna?

[clidd]

I see no reason to not vote, since Uncrowned was showing that he was willing to fight for a living.

My vote is not always guided by my ratings.

[clidd]

And it was apparently effective, since you were resurrected.

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Hum.

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So you have no impressions about my reads or the point I made about you, Kanna.

[clidd]

Fencesitty, really?

[clidd]

I was transparent in what I said.

Both scenarios are being considered, which is why you're null.

[clidd]

Ok, I'll take a break too.

I need to re-analyze the game to avoid confbias.

[clidd]

Actually, VOTE: Pooky

For now.

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Idk, but Mena isn't scum.

So you can ignore it.

[clidd]

You're townreading scum, which is why you can't see it.

[clidd]

Pooky is one.

I still need to figure out the rest.

[clidd]

It's ironic how alisae is coming as more and more towny to me, even with er fos on menalque/me.

Not trying to pocket, just saying facts.

[clidd]

And Kanna is reflecting me as someone with confbias on her scumread about me, which I have problems seeing from scum!Kanna on a projection level.

[clidd]

Uncrowed is the only one that didn't convince me, although I don't necessarily think he's scummy because of that.

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I mean he didn't plan to be eliminated without a fight, which means he is capable of producing reads/content/etc, he's not a lhf, but that doesn't make him towny.

[clidd]

Yes, I needed to see something from Kanna.

My slot positioning base helps me to visualize the game, but it does not necessarily decide where my vote goes, as I update some impressions in real time.

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Like now, as Alisae and Kanna are going up, but Uncrow didn't move.

[clidd]

It is difficult to explain, but it is what it is.

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And I'm not saying that I think that Uncrow is scum, but by PoE he didn't townspew imo to go higher.

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The way I saw Kanna and Uncrow was different.

I did not vote for Uncrow because of internal doubt as to whether he was LHF or was acting like one. I never played with him.

I voted for Kanna because she was taking too long to reappear on the topic and had found her instance dishonest in relation to me. I played with her already.

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And it was a superficial accusation imo, so I didn't pay much attention.

I am convinced that Kanna is under the influence of confbias, so I don't see her instance as dishonest anymore.

[clidd]

But, well, she's right about some sad pings on me.

I'm trying to regain my spirits, and little by little, I feel like I'm succeeding.

[clidd]

Is there any chance you would be able to elaborate further on your Mena or Ahsoka townreads, by the way? I find these two really interesting because they're your most confident ones, and yet, it seems like you might not be able to explain the Ahsoka one and the Mena one is just your own private investigation. no big deal if you can't but they do interest me

Maybe, I do need to think about it.

There are many things I want to filter.

[clidd]

{Menalque | Alisae | Morning}

{Ahsoka | Kanna}

{ABR | Hopkirk}

{Uncrowned}
{Pooky}

Btw, the new picture in my head ^

[clidd]

I don't wanna think rn, but maybe Menalque and Ahsoka are some kind of ccs to each other, so I'm trying to study a scenario where both are town and see if that fits the PoE I have in mind.

[clidd]

Actually, a more accurate PoE while I didn't figure it out lower slots is:

{Alisae | Morning}

{Kanna}

{Menalque x Ahsoka}

{ABR | Hopkirk}

{Uncrowned}
{Pooky}

[clidd]

Yes, perfect. That's it.

Now I'll get some sleep, see you guys tomorrow.

[clidd]

Wait, not perfect enough:

Town
{Alisae | Morning}

{Kanna}

Paranoia

{Menalque | Ahsoka}

Null
{ABR}
{Hopkirk}
{Uncrowned}

Scum

{Pooky}

I think Menalque is town, but I'll need to recheck this each night. I also need to see how he interacts with the latest events that have occurred. Ahsoka too. I shouldn't consider them ccs.

[clidd]

Ok, now I'll sleep for real.

[clidd]

Well, I already said that you're townreading scum, Alisae.

[clidd]

I don't wanna think rn, but maybe Menalque and Ahsoka are some kind of ccs to each other, so I'm trying to study a scenario where both are town and see if that fits the PoE I have in mind.

How are we some kind of CC to each other at all?

I felt a disturbance in my poe when I tried to put you two as town together. But I intend to evaluate both of you individually, so just ignore that.

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Actually, Kanna isn't towny because of her reaction to wagon/pressure.

She's towny imo because of her unconscious confbias on me. Her mentioning the relationship of my vote with the poe I showed, accusing me of being a liar, interpreting my reads as fabricated to simulate genuine and association with scum!Clidd that she experienced are indications of a line of confbias.

I have a hard time seeing scum!Kanna projecting this organically.

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

You still scum, Pooky.

[clidd]

Hopkirk townspew already, he's going up.

[clidd]

what about uncrowned. i'll vote them instead of you if you vote them Clidd. you scumread them right?

I'm not sure with uncrowned flipping scum. Need to sort him better.

Pooky has a bigger % of flipping scum imo.

[clidd]

Well, this is the third time I'm saying that you're townreading scum.

[clidd]

My role is town 1-shot neighborizer neighbor.

I can target someone at night once per game to form a neighborhood with that person.

[clidd]

No.

But I already started with a neighborhood with Ahsoka.

[clidd]

I'm ok if we flip me for more info.

[clidd]

No.

But I already started with a neighborhood with Ahsoka.

has ahsoka's hood content been good?

It was good D1, but meh D2.

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clidd why didn't you act on n1?

I wanted you, Hopkirk or Menalque (that replaced in), but wasn't sure.

I needed another day.

I didn't target Ahsoka, Pooky. She was already with me in a hood by default.

[clidd]

My role is town 1-shot neighborizer neighbor.

I can target someone at night once per game to form a neighborhood with that person.

is that joining your hood or a new one? this probably doesn't matter

what info do we get from flipping you?

My slot has suspicious interactions and is somewhat scummy in general. Perhaps it will help to lighten the PoE with the information that I am town.

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It is the truth.

And I would probably have more motivation to form a target someone as scum on N1, considering that my goal would be to influence other slots.

[clidd]

Ignore the "form" word.

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Whats your flavor clidd?

You want my pm?

[clidd]

that may not exactly be your playstyle tho and you may feel like you would want to use it to secure a safe place to work with someone you trust.

Yes, it is exactly what you described.

[clidd]

off the top of my head:

Albert B. Rampage - Null/Scum - I didn't like how ABR said MT was scum and then refused to give any example games to show how her tone was similar to her scum games, I'd think if that was a genuine thought in his head, he would've had to have been thinking about an actual game where she is similar and be able to provide such an example quite easily when asked for. Instead he responded with "no I'm too lazy for that" when it would've been much faster to just type out the name of the game. Laziness implies that he is too lazy to look through her games for an example, hence he is not actually thinking of a specific game but was just throwing that out there to keep POE larger. I also do not like the way he provides little to no reasoning for his votes.

Morning Tweet - I think she's in her town meta, her thoughts flow a lot more easily, she also has a town-tell that Hectic explained to me a while ago, she knows of this town-tell so I'm not sure how reliable it is or whether she can replicate it in her scum games. Tonally she feels very town. The latest tack she's taken to attack me feels like something I don't think scum!tweet does because it's easier for her to pocket me I guess?

Kanna - I'm not sure words will do justice to how strong my town-read is here. This world is crazy and mean and we're all looking for some kind of connection to fill what has been missing. I don't always soul-read people but when I do I am almost never wrong.

Menalque - His opening feels like town!him - conviction is there, emotions read true. if his posting falls off I will re-evaluate.

Alisae - The only way this slot would make sense as scum is if its scum with Flavor Leaf and FL told Alisae that he was going to run the table and put on a fucking show and just to munch popcorn. Indignation with Mena reads as true-ish?

Ahsoka - I will need to spend more time on this.

Hopkirk - Feels townie, hilarious posts. I'd be fine losing to Hop-scum because at least it will be entertaining.

Uncrowned - Trying to steal my beloved Kanna from me, bad intentions? Feels like he's going the polar opposite of his play in Dark Waltz II where he was scum and I modded/Kanna played.

clidd - Never played with him, not sure why he's voting me / putting me at the bottom of his readslist, I skimmed his posts and didn't even find anything worth addressing.

This is good, but why you don't have an impression me?

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Actually, not good enough.

My vote isn't moving rn.

[clidd]

I'll take a break and re-think about the game once again.

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This is good, but why you don't have an impression me?

because I've never played with you before.

which I said

in that thing you are quoting.

I don't know why you think I'm scum. You are free to tell me about it.

Nothing you posted had reflected me as towny, at least until the recent readlist you posted, which I liked, but still didn't give me the strong feeling that you are town.

And I'm not saying that you posted stuff without substance, but it was things that I couldn't interpret as lightly/strongly towny, from my point of view. If I take Uncrow, for example, I felt a very small towny particle during his sequence of posts with Alisae that I didn't comment on, but that gave me more security for me to put him above you.

I can be wrong, of course, but I am trying to be true to my impressions. In particular, I think you seem to be someone with a pleasant personality and that I would like to play more, but I am separating that from my read. If you're town, I'll know eventually.

And I know you added the explanation of not having played with me in that post before, but I just found it curious that you didn't understand why I was suspicious of you. I, for example, can understand when someone has reason to be suspicious of me, whether by tone, suspicious attitude, positioning, etc, so I figured you would also have some idea about why I was fosing you here.

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I am interested to see what Menalque thinks about what has happened so far.

[clidd]

Morning, she doesn't know what she's doing because of the confbias.

At least not consciously, but it also depends on how she will act in the next posts.

[clidd]

Morning, it's kind of hard to read your posts.

The division of quotes and comments creates a visually tiring format.

[clidd]

What is your theory, Alisae?

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Nothing suggestive comes to mind about NK, if that's what you guys are talking about.

[clidd]

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You're overthinking.

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Link to VC

So I'm right, you have confbias on your read.

But we are not going to talk about it now. Besides me, what are your takes in the game?

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Just a summary of your impressions about the game, Kanna.

It does not need to be detailed.

[clidd]

Just a summary of your impressions about the game, Kanna.

It does not need to be detailed.

i feel like i express the thoughts i get and i summarise what i think of the game as a whole with a readlist. is there any particular read you want?

Ok, you can do a readlist then.

I was interested in the opinions that you feel most convinced about, or that you feel it is important to comment on (besides me, ofc).

[clidd]

Thanks, Kanna.

Now, can you expand your opinion on Pooky/Morning/Uncrow?

[clidd]

Ok, very good. Thanks again Kanna.

pedit: Meh solve.

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I'm waiting Menalque to post something.

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They are the ones I imagined that you could have a quality read (and that I needed).

And as it comes from you, I already know that it is coming from a town perspective.

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Don't worry, you will have the elimination that you wish for. I'll give that to you after 4 days.

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Or you can hammer me, and well, I won't be able to give my updated reads or getting better ones.

Although I don't think my opinion is much valuable.

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Spoiler:

Town
{Kanna}
{Morning}
{Alisae}

Paranoia

{Menalque}

Null
{Pooky | Hopkirk}
{Uncrowned | ABR}

Scumlean
Ahsoka

In case a hammer occurs while I'm resting, this is my white format, with no explanation added at the moment. It is just to give an idea where my head is at.

I'll talk with Ahsoka in the PT about the red impression, so there is no need to talk in public rn.

[clidd]

UNVOTE: Pooky

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Menalque is an "ok" vote, Alisae.

But keep in mind that you will need to deal sooner or later with the fact that you're townreading scum. I don't have enough material for a scumcase, but I am convinced that there are two scums in the null pool. Menalque and Ahsoka only have max 1 between them and I have confidence in the three townreads.

Assuming there are three scums, of course.

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His alignment should be more evident depending on his observations about the latest events in the game imo.

[clidd]

Uncrow, do you have any scum game that you would like to share here?

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i don't think you adressed what MT said about why you were posting a lot in the QT but not in the thread? that's what i was most interested in hearing about from you atm tbh

It is a particularity of the way I decided to approach the game. It has no hidden meaning or anything like that.

As Ahsoka commented earlier, I am using the hood as my personal PT, considering that she has posted very little since the transition between D1-D2 and I found it interesting to make use of the available space.

I imagine there is an impression that I might be trying to persuade Ahsoka to trust me, but I don't think Ahsoka really feels like that, although she did not verbalize it here yet.

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@Clidd- what flipped your read on Pooky? I don't think you responded to any of my posting yesterday

I've been reevaluating him for a while and trying to see if I found any past games to have reference to how he plays in both alignments. Kanna's opinion also influenced this process.

And he is not necessarily a tl/tr, but has moved up in my null pool.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=81174 - Prior to Hiatus. First game on site.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85282 - Second "proper" scum game, much more recent.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=85206 - Assassins in the Palace. Kind of a meme game.

Thanks, btw.

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Ok, the only thing left now is Ahsoka/Menalque to actually play the game.

[clidd]

Am ill, sorry, VLA pls mods

It's ok, I hope you get better soon.

[clidd]

Abr, I'm waiting for you to engage with me.

You aren't making much sense this game.

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I don't know if you're town, Hopkirk, but if you need some help, I feel confident that MT is town for what she has shown so far.

And I would not recommend putting Ahsoka in your townblock. It is a tricky slot to read rn.

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VOTE: Ahsoka

[clidd]

Ok, cross vote with me then.

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Ahsoka, I'm waiting for you to cross with me.

[clidd]

I'm not really buy that you think I'm setting you up.

[clidd]

I don't buy that you don't buy that I'm scumreading you here.

[clidd]

If I was scum, you would buy it.

Meh, no.

You won as scum against me, Ahsoka, you know that I'm more aware of your scumgame now.

[clidd]

I still think Ahsoka is scum.

[clidd]

I'll answer you eventually, don't worry, Hopkirk.

[clidd]

Ok, and?

[clidd]

So as scum you would have more control of gamestate, which means you're town. Is that it?

[clidd]

I am scumreading you individually, for the reasons that I made explicit on the hood, so you aren't going to make me townread you bc of gamestate.

[clidd]

Your "clidd is setting me up" doesn't make sense, but you know that.

[clidd]

It still doesn't make sense for you to think it's "clidd is setting me up".

I would have articulated it in public if I really wanted you eliminated. My explanation was in good faith, but you are overreacting rn.

And it's bold for scum!clidd to set you up, you're annoying to 1v1. So yeah, it's more likely scum!you reasoning imo.

[clidd]

Ok, and how my "set you up" will work here?

[clidd]

Your reasoning for scum!clidd is meh.

I'm voting you rn because I think you're scum, period.

[clidd]

My read progression on you remains perfectly aligned with my perception of the game and was presented in good faith, so the "setting you up" doesn't really exist.

And I don't understand your role.

[clidd]

The "paired" thing was a speculation, nothing extraordinary.

pedit: I don't think you scumread my reasons to scumread you as town here.

[clidd]

I'm still meh to me, you can fake that as scum too.

The reasons you're pushing aren't really strong to infer scum!clidd when you saw how town!clidd thinks in names on the list.

I need to take a second look on the things you're typing, however.

[clidd]

It's*

[clidd]

Actually, no. I still think you wouldn't consider the stuff you're saying as scum! Clidd. Just doesn't make sense to me.

I would have to have a very elaborate plan for this to work and I believe you are overreacting to my speculations.

[clidd]

It's like "oh, clidd is operating on webs and will make me get eliminated, help"

I just don't buy.

[clidd]

Even if you don't think I'm town, it doesn't make sense to think I'm scum spamming my thoughts and developing my speculations/solve in a genuine way on the hood.

You may even find it inconsistent how I'm thinking as town, but you would hardly accept my line of reasoning as malicious, especially on the topic of you/Menalque.

[clidd]

And I said more than once that I was giving you space because I was considering your cognitive fatigue from being in many games, but I do have limits on how far I can be empathetic.

pedit: I'll take a look.

[clidd]

Hum.

I need a break to think, back later.

[clidd]

I'm back.

The context of the game you mentioned, Ahsoka, is outside the current game's hood scenario and reevaluating your reasons for suspecting me, I can't identify town!You convinced that both the line of reasoning that I expanded on the hood and the evolution of my read about you, would create the inference scum!clidd. Even putting myself in your place and disregarding the external influence of meta to assess unknown!Clidd I was unable to classify my motives/progression as coming from a scum mentality, min null-towny, max null-unusual-towny, but nothing too intense, which gives more substance for the impression that you are inflating your negative perception of me.

[clidd]

So yes, you're more likely scum than not.

[clidd]

I am repeating it because my analysis is correct.

[clidd]

I don't believe townYou would think that's the best way to go up against scumMe, frankly.

As you say...

I don't buy it.

I'm not paying much attention to how I'm going to push you.

I am more interested in evolving towards the accuracy of read, which in this case, points to you being scum, which is the reason for my vote. Simple.

[clidd]

Actually no, Ahsoka, you're scum and I got you in your false reasoning to think I'm scum.

[clidd]

Selfmeta is the same thing you did on names on the list as scum.

"I wouldn't do x as scum, scum!me would do y, and etc etc"

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I'm pushing you because your reasoning to think I'm scum setting you up doesn't make any sense for town!you to think.

I reevaluated the reasons and came to the same conclusion.

[clidd]

Meh.

[clidd]

I do respect you, but I still think you're scum here.

[clidd]

Ok, but I can't see your pm.

I can only visualize what you are showing me, that is, what is visible.

And what is visible, in this case, points out that you are probably scum from my pov.

[clidd]

If you think that I'm scum, that's fine, but don't expect it to change my opinion.

[clidd]

No, implies that there is a scenario in which you are town playing scummy.

[clidd]

Ok, and what I'm doing to make the setup happen?

I don't think I'm necessarily being persuasive here.

[clidd]

You are digging your own grave, I am doing nothing.

I’ve already explained the reasons for suspecting you, more than once, but I’m not expanding at all in public as I could have.

My scumgame is nothing compared to yours, so I don't know what the purpose was to quote that old game from your alt.

And I don't care about appearances, unlike you who are spamming in public as if you want to show that you're being towny.

[clidd]

I have a guess, but it's ogi, so no.

[clidd]

I still want to see him posting before any votes on him.

[clidd]

Btw, Alisae, what is your take on Ahsoka?

[clidd]

Ahsoka is scum, just vote her.

We can deal with Menalque when he's back.

[clidd]

It is not yet possible to resolve by association imo, so I'm not sure about Hopkirk and I believe that his last sequence of posts was slightly towny (I still have to answer his questions).

I'm more sure on Ahsoka, individually.

[clidd]

Probably pm, Hopkirk, unless she added me pre-game.

[clidd]

I still want Ahsoka, so we can hit scum.

Menalque is meh, because it's basically a coinflip, he didn't post much for us to see if he's town or scum.

[clidd]

I understand that he's afk and he's scummy to you, but that kind of elimination is not very reliable.

The reasoning used here can be widely used by both town and scum, so there will be no accountability in a flip town.

[clidd]

If we hit scum, ok, good, but nothing he did or said is actually scummy to me.

And I do understand about Menalque's play as scum.

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

I still scumreading Ahsoka.

[clidd]

No, this isn't true.

[clidd]

Only scum!you would think that, Ahsoka.

[clidd]

I think Alisae is fakeclaiming, I have strong impression that Ahsoka is scum.

[clidd]

No, this isn't true.

What would you like me to do, Clidd? You’re literally just tunneled on me when there’s multiple reasons to see that I’m town.

How would you like me to show you I am town?

''multiple reasons''?

You could have show me when you assessed how I was approaching the hood and my progression on you.

I reevaluated your reasons for thinking I am scum three times and came to the same conclusion, that you purposely inflated your perception of me to reach the inference of scum!Clidd, which you would be motivated to do if you were scum.

The ''clidd is setting Ahsoka/Menalque'' is ridiculous coming from town!you.

[clidd]

u must be just so delusional and full of yourself that you think Ahsoka is still scum even when there's evidence out there to suggest that he could be town

I'm just being true to my analysis.

If you confirmed that your was true, I would probably apologize and change the instance, because I would have a mechanical reason antagonistic to my read.

[clidd]

And, well, if you guys wanna do Menalque, it's ok, go ahead.

I don't control any vote other than mine.

[clidd]

Honestly, I’m not gonna play anymore. Derps just pushing me to push me because they don’t want me to get away as scum. It’s effectively a policy push, but one is coming from scum.

It isn't a policy push and you know that.

[clidd]

[clidd]

Correction: If you confirmed that your claim was true*

[clidd]

Ok, but you are being ignorant, Ahsoka.

I had a huge progression of information on you on the hood (and that you can see) until reaching the current read.

You're acting like my push is randomly based on me wanting you to be scum, when it's not the truth.

[clidd]

And you are projecting your frustration on me wanting me to feel bad for pushing you.

[clidd]

I still not buying the AtE.

[clidd]

I mean, she can be frustrated as a scum too, so it's not entirely unrealistic if the feelings are real.

Frustration in the sense of being caught for the wrong reasons (although I specified the impressions that led me to the scumread).

So I remove the premise of 1615.

[clidd]

She is scum individually, ABR.

[clidd]

No, he's a conflip.

Nahdia disappeared from the forum and Menalque became ill, it is difficult to measure these factors.

[clidd]

Well, it's basically my town pool of Kanna/Ali/you ^

Although you consider me a townread, I would suggest Pooky as a third to your pov, if you aren't sure.

[clidd]

Correction: Although you don't consider me a townread*

[clidd]

Regarding my scumread vs a possible contrary mechanical proof, I confess that the claim made me stop to think for a few minutes, but I had difficulty swallowing that my whole case and impressions were wrong.

If she confirmed, however, I would probably apologize and be more collaborative, taking this game as a reference later to review my post-game mistakes.

[clidd]

But as it did not happen, I maintain the same instance regarding my scumread on Ahsoka.

Just as I keep thinking that Menalque's flip is a coinflip and not necessarily scum.

[clidd]

And I understand what Alisae suggested regarding the elimination of Menalque, and also that not everyone sees Ahsoka as I am seeing it, but it's not like I'm inciting a state of chaos in the game, which is essentially what was implied in the insults that Alisae directed at me.

I'm just saying that I want to eliminate a scumread, it's simple.

[clidd]

At this point, I don't know exactly which side of the coin Menalque can be, but I'm not confident that it will be scum.

I can speculate but meh, I would have to enter the territory of "what would Menalque think about this situation", which is stressful.

[clidd]

It isn't enough, Abr. Otherwise, we would all have a read on him.

[clidd]

Well, I don't intend to enter the speculative field much, but if you consider that he entered the game with a push on Alisae/Ahsoka, people that would be problematic slots for scum!Mena to deal, as well as the strange post on the hood and the sudden disappearance, it's hard to imagine that scum!Mena would remain in the game without being aware that he would be damaging the slot and harming his teammates. If he has scumpartners, he would feel the duty to make room for someone else, hoping to save the slot because he would not be able to continue. The VLA means that he intends to stay in the game, which suggests independence of thought, he doesn't care if the slot is going to be scummy, nor does he feel connected to something or someone to give satisfaction, which is making me imagine that he's potentially a town that hasn't had such a good game and is ill.

[clidd]

Anyways, it's a meh thing to consider valid, as I don't read minds and I cannot project the thoughts that Menalque would have in this situation.

Which is why I still consider it a coinflip.

[clidd]

I agree with Pooky, Alisae, MT and Kanna as town. Not sure on Hopkirk.

Ironically, Kanna is my strongest townread because of her case on me, it seemed very difficult for her to manufacture as scum.

pedit: Hallo, Miss Kanna.

[clidd]

I want Ahsoka, but I also want to talk to the substitute a bit before that.

[clidd]

Ok, since Ahsoka didn't answer me and is not here anymore, I'll say: in her last post in the hood she said that, for future reference, she only lost once in seven years where she was the first scum dead.

No idea if it's a scumclaim or some indirect insulting message for me, but well, I just wanted to post here.

[clidd]

wonderful.

clidd, if i may ask a favour, can you neighbourise me tonight?

If everyone is fine with that, yes.

And you don't know how refreshing it is for me that we are very likely in the same alignment for the first time.

I would probably express my joy in more details if I weren't on mobile rn.

[clidd]

oh yeah he did replace out before we almost yeeted him d1 in another game too

As scum?

[clidd]

I agree with Pooky's observation, although I have reasons that go beyond the mechanical aspect to scumread the slot.

[clidd]

1337 is the claim.

[clidd]

No idea.

But finding her motivation is not so important, as it does not change my case or the mechanical implications that Pooky discussed with her during the period in which both discussed the claim.

[clidd]

Perfect then.

I was concerned that something from the emotional sphere was out of his scumrange, but apparently not.

[clidd]

No, Alisae did a fakeclaim.

[clidd]

Menalque is on vla and some people wanted to eliminate him because everyone else was being ''towny''.

[clidd]

Yes, it is.

I want to know what do you think about it.

[clidd]

Wait, give me some minutes to summarize the game.

[clidd]

Ok, D1 was basically a discussion around Infinity that resulted in a double elimination (Jesse was his lover). Of the players who were in the wagon, I believe that I, your slot and Hopkirk had a more expressive motivational context than the others in the wagon to suspect Infinity.

Entering D2, people began to suspect uncrow and Kanna, but Kanna was pushed more expressively almost to E-1, but she didn't claim. During this period I started to be suspected and Kanna came to me, made a case and soon I was at E-1, where I had to claim (town 1-shot neighborizr), afterwards, people started to move away from my wagon and some people started to suspect ABR, but there was no significant push on him (and he's playing weird here). Then I started to suspect Pooky, engaged with him, reevaluated him along with Kanna, and soon I started to see them both as town. Then there was more discussion, Menalque made a sequence of posts, but then he disappeared and said he was sick, going into vla. Then your slot and I started to fight and the discussion went on, he claimed a strange role and then started to say he was frustrated, etc, etc. and left. Recently the push that seems to be universal is in the Menalque slot, which I am against. You have now entered.

Alisae shares a hood with 4 or 5 people, I share a hood with you.

Nahdia replaced out during n1 and there is no NK. No idea why.

I probably forgot something, but that's it.

[clidd]

Meh.

[clidd]

It is part of scum!FL's move to create overreactions when he is accused or when he thinks someone is close to catch him.

He did this to me in our past game and I ended up falling for it.

Here, however, it was probably extreme because, unlike the other game, I didn't back down.

[clidd]

So you didn't look much the hood, nth?

[clidd]

nth, the thing is that FL just played as scum in the hood and in the game.

I need you to engage with me, bc I'm hard scumreading your slot.

[clidd]

Just read the hood and tell me what you think.

It doesn't matter if you think I'm a town or scum, I just want to know your interpretation.

[clidd]

my interpretation of flavor leaf's posts, or just my interpretation of the hood in general?

hood in general.

idk if it will be useful for me to see your take on your own slot, but try to put yourself in FL's position. read my posts and talk about how it sound to you (scummy, towny,etc).

i need to see your vision on the stuff that was going on there.

i still think your slot is very likely scum, but meh, let's try to talk a bit.

[clidd]

Clidd, why did you think Ahsoka was strongly town earlier in the game ? (as he thought of you)

you probably mentioned but i forget

it was a passing impression, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't remember exactly, but there was a period when the game was aligned with another one temporarily, so I was playing with FL in two games.

in the other game (names on the list) I started the game suspecting him, but then I started to trust him a lot and that trust was transmitted to this game.

but by the time that game was over and i found out he was scum, i noticed that a lot of the things i was townreading about him could easily be manufactured.

so I started to be more cautious with my read and started to develop until I could be sure of his alignment.

there were some periods when he commented on things about paranoia, of finding me scummy and there was a moment when he thought me and abr ​​were partners in the hood, but I felt that I was so identical to our past game (in which i was town), that many of these impressions did not sound genuine to me. it was almost as if he was approaching the game in another way so that I couldn't detect scum!he. he knew that i would suspect him if he reciprocated the reads imo, which is why makes soo much sense to much his push of ''oh, clidd is setting me up'' in a scum!FL scenario.

[clidd]

he makes a lot of noise as scum when someone is suspecting him until the person recognizes that it is wrong/reconsider or townread him. it's the same strategy he used to win our past game as scum.

so it's meh to me all the stuff he said about i'm trying to miselim him.

[clidd]

i'm talking about this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85406

[clidd]

Correction: which is why makes soo much sense to me*

[clidd]

alisae, if we eliminate menalque and he flip town, who is the next elim to you D3?

[clidd]

You don't think FL was scummy?