DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

[Guillotina]

I've played with 6 players here before so this is gonna be a monumental game!

VOTE: Superbowl i wanted you to be scum last time but you crashed my dream. Are you scum in this one?

[Guillotina]

Its time to get real,

I am going to take you all down in that ring. There aint gonna be a need for a second round, I can beat you all with one hand tied behind my back at the same time! You fools don't know the first thing about the martial arts.

points at Dunnstral

Hey you, punk. Think you are tough enough to take on the peoples champion?!?! Or you going to cower and go home to mommy instead of me wiping the floor of this arena with your butt.

gestures at superbowl9

I bet this guy thinks he is hot stuff. But he has never had to face a real challenger like me!

I can lift a hundred scrawny hims with one finger.

looks at Bell

and who invited this clown to this tournament? I thought this was a martial arts tournament, not a weakest human show. Can you even throw a punch pal?

This is gonna be a short tournament and I hope you all don't blink cause you might just miss the whole thing.

VOTE: Battle Mage

There are hot chicks everywhere Master Roshi!

[Guillotina]

Ego

Oh I need an ego too

So the hydra can play as separate heads here if they want to?

[Guillotina]

is firebringer scum too, or are you just buddying him?

Whats wrong with a good buddying

*slides up to BM and boops*

What are you seeing that I don't

power up with me, ready?


HUAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

Good god.

[Guillotina]

No, it's just an ego out of hydra post before they post in game. Ego because they're projecting their individual egos before fusing into a kookiemonster.

Grats on the title Noraa.

Got cha. Have we played before? Your name rings a bell.

[Guillotina]

It is very unfortunate but I'll have to start learning self control per unwnd's terribly unreasonable requests.
I'll start by trying out a wall post.
*AHEM*
*smoothes down my floating static-y ass hair*
Here I gooooooooo~

Ill give you one thing, coming after the champion with your first swing wasn't a bad move. But you gonna need to get this whole playerlist to go at me at same time to even stand a chance bahahahahaha

Oh yeah?
*gets my boxing gloves*

VOTE: firebringer

bring me some fire

You swing as hard as your grandmother

*adopts battle stance*

HUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVOTE: BATTLEMAGEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Tune in next week for our dramatic conclusion!

AH :O
I was just reminded of why I LOVE flea!

Woah this started early.

I want to see some obvtown-y doggo posts soon :>
Im thinking 2 per hour isn't too mean of me?

is firebringer scum too, or are you just buddying him?

Whats wrong with a good buddying

*slides up to BM and boops*

What are you seeing that I don't

power up with me, ready?


HUAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Im jealous. Flea talk to me

No, it's just an ego out of hydra post before they post in game. Ego because they're projecting their individual egos before fusing into a kookiemonster.

Grats on the title Noraa.

Thanks! I'm very grateful for such a beautiful title
(I has a medium sized ego)

No, it's just an ego out of hydra post before they post in game. Ego because they're projecting their individual egos before fusing into a kookiemonster.

Grats on the title Noraa.

Got cha. Have we played before? Your name rings a bell.

Nothing like something really cringey to wake u up

-nornornorbearbearbear

It's not cringe, it's a pun. Smh

[Guillotina]

kookiemonster town

BM I think you have become very intelligent :O
Not sure how you TR me this early but its correct!!

I demand that Noraa be town this game so that I can work with her for once.

I am town. Obvtown for me and I will work with you <3

Seriously tho if I got scum for the like twenty billionth time this month, I would've gotten so mad.

-happygreenapplenornor

What you mean with “seriously though”?, that what you said previous to that was a joke? Are you not town?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

Yah i can see that you are really looking to work with them. I second the hydra, how exactly you townread them this early?

VOTE: Bell

[Guillotina]

They sound like they're exasperated with how much they rolled scum and that they didn't roll scum here.

In other words, it has the *ring* of truth. Which I'm not disinclined to ignore. You can push them I guess, but to me you missed the context or the tone of the post in exchange for a more or less, less detailed analysis of her post. What you seem to see as a slip up, isn't.

Such emotion can be elaborated. WIFOM exists.

In my years of experience scum slip up in the first five pages of the game but gets disregarded as just fooling around because who would slip up during RVP? Maybe they slip up here and maybe they were just too careless but it looked weird to me.

[Guillotina]

...I'm inclined to think they're town because they sound like they're telling the truth. Is what I meant to say.

So it's a gut feeling? and you are willing to buddy them up based on a gut feeling, correct?

[Guillotina]

its 3am, this is a shitpost. Kinda (/^▽^)/ Been a weird day.

Wonder why I'm a scum read :3

Nornor we can dance later if you like <3 I heard the FUSION dance is pretty cool, would have to be post game though.

Guillotina I'm sure I remember you proclaiming you don't do meta...

I try not to. It does not mean i will never do so.

[Guillotina]

I have BM, Bell, Guillotina, and kookiemonster as town rn
VOTE: Dunnstral
I wanna push this for that FB vote on the first page, what was up with the fake multi-vote crap?

That is a lot of townreads in three hours.

Why do you have me as town?

[Guillotina]

And guillotina hopefully we can get along better than last time

If you are town we will. If you are not, i can't wait to yeet you.

[Guillotina]

And guillotina hopefully we can get along better than last time

If you are town we will. If you are not, i can't wait to yeet you.

Will ignoring you again make you mad/tilt? Because I thought it was the best thing to do last time but I think that just makes people more mad/tunnel me harder

You called that ignoring me in that game? you advocated for policy yeeting me and I learnt that your town meta was being methodical, practical, cold blooded and calculative, like a robot. Suddenly here you wanna get along and even throw in a smile? Do you change your meta at will like I do or is this your scum game?

[Guillotina]

I have BM, Bell, Guillotina, and kookiemonster as town rn
VOTE: Dunnstral
I wanna push this for that FB vote on the first page, what was up with the fake multi-vote crap?

That is a lot of townreads in three hours.

Why do you have me as town?

How many townreads did you have around this point? How many do you think is reasonable?

None and none. It's too early for townreads.

I have BM, Bell, Guillotina, and kookiemonster as town rn
VOTE: Dunnstral
I wanna push this for that FB vote on the first page, what was up with the fake multi-vote crap?

That is a lot of townreads in three hours.

Why do you have me as town?

How many townreads did you have around this point? How many do you think is reasonable?

I think asking why other people have you as town is a common scum tell

Then i've been scum in every game for 17 years.

I don't trust easy townread giveaways

[Guillotina]

So it sounds like we have voting phase where we select the two scummiest players and then they duke it out in the arena and with the power of friendship one wins while the other loses?

That's an option. The other thing that I was thinking about was putting in a universal townie vs the scummiest player (since I think the mechanic is a bit scumside) but with this playerlist I think playing true to the intent of the mechanic is the most fun.

I don't like putting a universal townie in with a scummy player. It sets up a situation where a scummy looking townie claims a role we really need and we're up shit's creek without a paddle.

I think we should be spontaneous about whom to nominate for the duel. I played a similar game where i was scum and town let us took control of the mechanic. The only two times where town caught one of us was when two FPSers ignored the concensus and went with their gut. Mind you it was a faster game but control of the duel mechanic was detrimental to win it.

[Guillotina]

Dunnstral - Can be town
ManWithNoName - Shitty ISO, great vote to shake things up
VOTE: ManWithNoName
Battle Mage - Town
Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8) - Bad Vibes but it's RVS practically, so I want to see if it's just my breakfast leading to my gut here.
Gamma Emerald - No memory of his posts
Bell - Town
Superbowl9 - Waited with baited breath
Firebringer - Weak town, needs to scumclaim
kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa) - Need more posts to sort
Titus - Dead and Alive town
Flea The Magician - Reluctant to call a read here yet
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain) - Weak town
Guillotina - Conflicted about their Bell push. Confident town or scum desperate for content

What are you conflicted about my Bell push? I'm town. But confident? Hmmmm give me time.

[Guillotina]

@Guillotina, I think Bell is town, so I am trying to sort whether you are wrong town or a noise machine.

Your post since then have been a vague mechanics post, and a question about my read on you.

Do you have any other thoughts?

@Noraa, you have your right to be wrong. You'll see it later or not. I don't mind having someone being wrong about me, as long as it's not too many someones.

My posts since Bell have been a vague mechanic post and a question about your read only?

Are you blind or purposely misrepresenting my contributions?

I dont have any more thoughts as of now, if i did i would have posted them already. Im not shy.

[Guillotina]

@Guillotina, I think Bell is town, so I am trying to sort whether you are wrong town or a noise machine.

Your post since then have been a vague mechanics post, and a question about my read on you.

Do you have any other thoughts?

@Noraa, you have your right to be wrong. You'll see it later or not. I don't mind having someone being wrong about me, as long as it's not too many someones.

My posts since Bell have been a vague mechanic post and a question about your read only?

Are you blind or purposely misrepresenting my contributions?

I dont have any more thoughts as of now, if i did i would have posted them already. Im not shy.

I edited my post wrong. That should have read since my read wall. I don't like your content thus far, and I'm not shy about saying it either.

I expect more from you.

I'll give more when im ready not when you expect me to.

[Guillotina]

Get ready for the solve

Spoiler: Definitely the solve, not the DK Rap

This gives me flashbacks from the Xenoblade game.

Do you post DK raps as either alignment?

[Guillotina]

@Guillotina, I think Bell is town, so I am trying to sort whether you are wrong town or a noise machine.

Your post since then have been a vague mechanics post, and a question about my read on you.

Do you have any other thoughts?

@Noraa, you have your right to be wrong. You'll see it later or not. I don't mind having someone being wrong about me, as long as it's not too many someones.

My posts since Bell have been a vague mechanic post and a question about your read only?

Are you blind or purposely misrepresenting my contributions?

I dont have any more thoughts as of now, if i did i would have posted them already. Im not shy.

I edited my post wrong. That should have read since my read wall. I don't like your content thus far, and I'm not shy about saying it either.

I expect more from you.

I'll give more when im ready not when you expect me to.

Great, then you can stay in my scumleans until you do.

Hmm i like it.

[Guillotina]

Anime is not dumb but DBZ is. Ironically DBZ is the only dumb anime i like.

[Guillotina]

this is a fallacy

He's lying when he says that I have no reads or content. Why would town lie like that?

also in a game that punishes us for posting more should he really be asking for more posts?

I don't really care what you say here. I just know superb gets run up day 1 often and he will be obvtown as fuck by tomorrow if he's town. Also his reads are fucking bomb.

-nornorthepotahto

What reads of his are fucking bomb exactly?

[Guillotina]

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

What? where? What are you serving? I only drink Vodka.

[Guillotina]

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

What? where? What are you serving? I only drink Vodka.

You're a psychopath.

Guilty as charged. Gotta love them fermented potatoes!

[Guillotina]

What reads of his are fucking bomb exactly?

Last game we were in together, he nailed the whole scum team in the dead thread cuz you dumbos wagoned him day 1.

-nornorbear

Anyone can make great reads after they are dead, with extra clues. I nailed the scum team in my read list while i was alive and drew the nk by softing PR in that same game, saving the real town PR.

The question is how does that matter in this game? I thought you meant his reads in this game were bomb which I havent seen any? Also, don't you see the difference between his play in that game where he was town and this one or am I been stupidly paranoid?

[Guillotina]

You softed pr because you were about to become the day 1 lim.

-nornorisblunt

That's a lie. I softed PR because that is what vanilla's do, take the shots that otherwise would be aimed at PRs.

[Guillotina]

None and none. It's too early for townreads.

Why? I personally will try and form reads early on to generate content. I could be compared to mastina in that regard. It’s a bit of a new practice for me tho, and it’s not an exact copy of her early game

Reads just to generate content. Ok. I’ll bite. Has your tactic rendered satisfying results?

[Guillotina]

None and none. It's too early for townreads.

Why? I personally will try and form reads early on to generate content. I could be compared to mastina in that regard. It’s a bit of a new practice for me tho, and it’s not an exact copy of her early game

Reads just to generate content. Ok. I’ll bite. Has your tactic rendered satisfying results?

Oh and Why? Because I’m relatively new here, because during RVP everyone is joking around which is totally NAI, and because i disagree on early town reads based on meta which what most people do here.
So when players throw town reads around that early in the game, I get paranoid cause you might be scum with TMI.

[Guillotina]

Also i got town leans but i cant explain them cause of forum rules.

[Guillotina]

Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

then vote SB.

that false bravado is scummy as fuck.

Last time superb was run up day 1 he was town. we are not going to have a repeat of that here.

-nornorsaysNONONO

this is a fallacy

He's lying when he says that I have no reads or content. Why would town lie like that?

also in a game that punishes us for posting more should he really be asking for more posts?

I didn't say you had no reads. Can you tell me what content you have? And wdym punishing us for more posts?

reads

ARE

content. My job is to find the scum and I don't need to comment on things that seem useless to me to do that. And it's not like the first 5-9 pages were super important. I'm not that kind of player that needs to be prodded for content and a guy with experience with me should know that. The only thing I could have maybe done a better job on is my gut Bell scum read.

Also

Super-Posting (Special Mechanic)

Each player uses Ki by posting. A player will achieve Super-Posting by making more than 60% of the posts after 20 Pages. Super-posting is a debuff that will limit your actions both in-thread and during the night phase. Your actions in NAR will be less prioritized (including beneficiaries done to you) and you may receive a MOD VOTE if you continue posting. After 24 hours your Super-posting will go down by 10%, allowing you to post again. If you are one of the two in Nomination Phase, this mechanic will not be in effect, just don't abuse it. Ki will reset each following dayphase.

That rule is a great tool for scum to use against us. It punishes content generation and game solving and gives scum a perfect excuse to keep quiet.

[Guillotina]

That rule is a great tool for scum to use against us. It punishes content generation and game solving and gives scum a perfect excuse to keep quiet.

sure man, but who is exactly guilty of that?

It seems like a load of horsepucky to me. No one is even near that.

Duh!!! Because of the rule!

[Guillotina]

That rule is a great tool for scum to use against us. It punishes content generation and game solving and gives scum a perfect excuse to keep quiet.

sure man, but who is exactly guilty of that?

It seems like a load of horsepucky to me. No one is even near that.

Duh!!! Because of the rule!

Would you be breaking that rule if not imposed?

What kind of question is that? How can it be a rule if not imposed?

Would I be posting more if the rule didn't exist? Yes! In fact, I wouldn't have signed up for this game if I knew that such rule existed in the first place.

This rule heavily punishes town, why?

Because town PRs have to watch what they post or they won't be able to use their powers!

But hey! vanillas have no powers so they can do the scum hunting and game solving while town PRs keep a low profile, problem solved!

No so fast! IF there are Vanillas, they get muted if they post over the limit too and...that strategy is faulty too because then scum can identify the town PRs amongst the low posters.

But that's not all! This great rule prevents scum fluff-ers from posting garbage that we can identify and build a case on. Instead, they got an excuse to keep a low profile and look like town PRs because you know... PRs need to conserve their Ki.

So mr King Guillo! What do you propose?

Well, I got a few suggestions! we all vote to get the super poster rule revoked to even the field against scum and hope that the host cares about the will of the people! VOTE: Remove Super Poster Rule

or

We all super post and vanillaized and mute ourselves and let the host think the ridiculous rule over (and get banned for angleshooting).

or

We don't post at all and solve this game mechanically.

or

We all post looooong walls! without spoiler tags. Just gotta be patient while we gather all the material and ideas to create that wall post.

If someone can bring forward reasons why this rule benefits town. I'm open ears, perhaps I'm looking at this from a very narrow minded place.

[Guillotina]

What is "NAR"?

[Guillotina]

Night Actions Resolution?

[Guillotina]

These

leans

are based partly on meta and partly on things that have happened in this game so far.

Town

Flea

: Based on Meta from a game that just ended, they are behaving exactly like their town game there. Confrontational, mocking, satirical, totally careless about what other people may say about them, just carefree, too scummy to be scum once again.

Cookies

: Purely meta read, I think she town based on her behavior in the Yellowstone game that is kind of similar to her style in this one. Would love to read more from the other head though.

Titus

: I could be wrong but it felt like he was trying to communicate with me on a deeper level when he pushed me, sort of like here I am, I'm the kind of player that don't give easy townreads early game.

Null

BattleMage

: I agree with titus that these two could be town/town specially because I played a game with Flea where I tunneled them and our feud lasted until I got eliminated and this looks exactly the same, but I've seen BattleMage playing tunneler as scum in another game too, so I'm keeping an eye on BM for now (I still remember that epic thunderdome with DoubtingThomas where you convinced me you were town).

Oil

: I haven't looked into him deep yet.

Dunnstral

: Strikes me for the kind of player that has a defined blueprint of how an alignment should act. I didn't like it that he tried to discredit me and paint me as scum for asking players why they townread me as if pocketing didn't exist.

Firebringer

: This dude is just unreadable so far. He is too weird. Will keep an eye on.

Scum

Gamma

: Based on past games, Gamma is the kind of player that is very vocal about his thoughts and reads. In essence, Gamma is like Flea minus the satirical side when he is town. When he's randed scum he tends to shy down and avoid me as much as possible. In this game he is doing that and he also added an early game townread as a bonus.

Bell

: He seemed like he was looking for a reason to buddy up/pocket kookiemonster. When I question him about it and I asked him why he townread Noraa (which he didn't, it was a trap), he didn't deny the townread and confirmed he was townreading the hydra based on a hunch, a hunch caused by something that can be easily fabricated such as exasperation "with how much they rolled scum and that they didn't roll scum here". Maybe he knows their alignment.

Superbowl

: I think I already explained it in previous posts. This SB feels like he's been trying to be appeasing to me. Maybe he learnt the lesson and he is trying a different approach but there is something that tell me he is scum.

Sugar Cain

: Nero Cain is a scum hunter by nature, I haven't seen that here. I've yet to see his scum game but I have seen his town game and so far that town!Nero is not here.

ManWithNoName slot

: He used DK videos in Xenoblade to look carefree and meme-ing. I still remember "oh hell yah, I get to use my DK vids and not get sus for using them" in our discord scum chat from that game.

[Guillotina]

These

leans

are based partly on meta and partly on things that have happened in this game so far.

Town

Flea

: Based on Meta from a game that just ended, they are behaving exactly like their town game there. Confrontational, mocking, satirical, totally careless about what other people may say about them, just carefree, too scummy to be scum once again.

Cookies

: Purely meta read, I think she town based on her behavior in the Yellowstone game that is kind of similar to her style in this one. Would love to read more from the other head though.

Titus

: I could be wrong but it felt like he was trying to communicate with me on a deeper level when he pushed me, sort of like here I am, I'm the kind of player that don't give easy townreads early game.

Null

BattleMage

: I agree with titus that these two could be town/town specially because I played a game with Flea where I tunneled them and our feud lasted until I got eliminated and this looks exactly the same, but I've seen BattleMage playing tunneler as scum in another game too, so I'm keeping an eye on BM for now (I still remember that epic thunderdome with DoubtingThomas where you convinced me you were town).

Oil

: I haven't looked into him deep yet.

Dunnstral

: Strikes me for the kind of player that has a defined blueprint of how an alignment should act. I didn't like it that he tried to discredit me and paint me as scum for asking players why they townread me as if pocketing didn't exist.

Firebringer

: This dude is just unreadable so far. He is too weird. Will keep an eye on.

Scum

Gamma

: Based on past games, Gamma is the kind of player that is very vocal about his thoughts and reads. In essence, Gamma is like Flea minus the satirical side when he is town. When he's randed scum he tends to shy down and avoid me as much as possible. In this game he is doing that and he also added an early game townread as a bonus.

Bell

: He seemed like he was looking for a reason to buddy up/pocket kookiemonster. When I question him about it and I asked him why he townread Noraa (which he didn't, it was a trap), he didn't deny the townread and confirmed he was townreading the hydra based on a hunch, a hunch caused by something that can be easily fabricated such as exasperation "with how much they rolled scum and that they didn't roll scum here". Maybe he knows their alignment.

Superbowl

: I think I already explained it in previous posts. This SB feels like he's been trying to be appeasing to me. Maybe he learnt the lesson and he is trying a different approach but there is something that tell me he is scum.

Sugar Cain

: Nero Cain is a scum hunter by nature, I haven't seen that here. I've yet to see his scum game but I have seen his town game and so far that town!Nero is not here.

ManWithNoName slot

: He used DK videos in Xenoblade to look carefree and meme-ing. I still remember "oh hell yah, I get to use my DK vids and not get sus for using them" in our discord scum chat from that game.

Yeah ok I haven't even read the reasons. one look at the names and the categories and im like "EEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW"

Its official. I hate that reads list.

-nornorbearbearhatereadslist

Ok. What do you hate that readlist about?

[Guillotina]

Ok. What do you hate that readlist about?

I dont agree with any of it.

-nornorbearbearnoagreeee

With any of it? At all?

Ok. Why do you think Bell is not scum? Why do you think Flea is not town?

[Guillotina]

I mean the problem is you put all of the people with really good town games in ur scum pile and that's kinda ... dumb.

-nornorbearber

I've seen their really good town games and so far this is not it. Well, im talking about Nero, Superbowl and Gamma specifically.

[Guillotina]

I mean the problem is you put all of the people with really good town games in ur scum pile and that's kinda ... dumb.

-nornorbearber

I've seen their really good town games and so far this is not it. Well, im talking about Nero, Superbowl and Gamma specifically.

its page 20 what do you expect?

-nornorbeario

A lot more than this? They gave more than this in 20 pages in other games.

[Guillotina]

reads on everyone except the guy with most votes?

im not convinced these are good reads anyway

I'm on limited time. Oil won't go unnoticed, no worries.

[Guillotina]

ok, get on this wagon with me brother

Why should I?

[Guillotina]

A lot more than this? They gave more than this in 20 pages in other games.

eh I dont believe u.

-

This is gonna be a long game... >_>

[Guillotina]

the old folks here can't keep up with you (myself)

Meanwhile I am a youngster here, at least in this arc.

im dat obvtown?!

As a matter of fact: yes.

Its official. I hate that reads list.

Then you should be more than happy to sheep me as I am voting to eliminate both Oil and Guillotina.

For the record, I do think that this is Nero's towngame. He looks like town doing his best in spite of the posting restriction, rather than scum using the posting restriction to be lackluster.

So:

kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa)
Dunnstral
Bell
Titus
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain)

Gamma Emerald
Flea The Magician

Battle Mage
Firebringer

Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8)

Guillotina
Superbowl9

Locktown, town, town-but-with-the-caveat-that-I-can't-read-them-worth-shit, guessing-poe-scum, scumread.

Am now caught up, so I'd like to say:
This is very obviously Noraa as town--painfully obviously so.
This looks like both Dunnstral's and Bell's towngames. Dunnstral is giving off identical energy to PookyVFL, whereas Bell's doing the polar opposite of what he did in both that game and Among Us. Both of them are pretty damn solidly in their town metas.

Titus's reads here aligning with my own is an INCREDIBLY good sign. Her entrance is rather strong and, overall, seems to be precisely what she should be giving if she is town here; there's nothing that looks scum at all.

While I'm worried about Momrangal's lack of content, Nero's posting looks like his normal town self slightly nerfed by the posting mechanic, rather than scum using it as an excuse to avoid being his normal self.

Gamma is a weaker townread off of Gut.
Flea is also a townread off of gut, and me thinking that Flea v BM is townVtown, and Flea feeling different to me than fae were in Among Us.

Battle Mage and Firebringer both look town to me, but I admit that I can't read either of them worth a damn.

Oil Tycoons, I'd expect to have a townread on Nacho, but I just...don't. I can maybe maybe maybe see them as town genuinely suspicious of BM, but it doesn't feel sincere. It feels like scum making content to look town rather than content that actually comes from town.

Guillotina radiates obvscum to me but I admit a lack of familiarity.
superbowl9's pushes have been bad and sb9 normally radiates town--but that town energy is utterly absent from this game where he feels stunted, stilted, forced, and fake. It doesn't feel like even remotely the same sb9 as MBOS10.

Fuck your obvscum read, I'm town. I get mixed feelings from you here. I agree that something is off with SB but I don't like being at the bottom of the list with him, specially after you admitting not having meta of me but still scum reading me based on meta you don't have, because all your reads so far have been based off meta, so tell me why do you scum read me?

I disagree with your Bell and Gamma placements, see my read list to see why. And Nero, let's talk about Nero, granted I've only played one game with him, he has not displayed the level of scum hunting here that he showed in that game I was with him! It looks like you and I know two complete Town!Nero versions or you are bullshitting us! You don't get to use the post limiter mechanic to excuse that hydra either, I almost got modkilled trying to clear that up, none of us are anywhere near to reach super poster status, so Sugar Cain can get the hell in here and contribute!

[Guillotina]

I’m not avoiding anything
Just heckin busy

Ok. This thread is not going anywhere and I'll be here.

When you comeback, tell me what you think of Sugar Cain, Kookies and Superbowl so far please.

[Guillotina]

Oh Mastina replaced the DK videos guy!

Yah I scum read your slot and looking forward to this.

[Guillotina]

So it sounds like we have voting phase where we select the two scummiest players and then they duke it out in the arena and with the power of friendship one wins while the other loses?

Oh my god, Fire taking the spirit of Mr. Satan and running with it is just the best. FB is obv town. Even if their role pm is red. <3 <3 <3.

Okay, nevermind, Bell's town. (I suppose this is one reason to not tag me in too soon. As good as a backup to the town I can be, I can make conclusions too rapidly. But I trust I'll have the guidance of my tutors on the future pages. <3)

I've played with 6 players here before so this is gonna be a monumental game!
VOTE: Superbowl i wanted you to be scum last time but you crashed my dream. Are you scum in this one?

Fortunately, I have a substitute for Bell on the readslist since my initial guess on Guillotina was, in my current opinion, wrong.

And I already think kookiemonster is town, too.

VOTE: Guillotina
I was gonna say "I'm waiting for a votecount before casting a vote", but then I realized I was being a moron.

Why is Bell town here. Help me understand your brain.

I think kookiemonster is town but I may be biased because we finished a game very recently where she and I were town and I tunneled the hell out of Noraa.
You townread her, why?

[Guillotina]

I like G's response to mastina, even if I may not agree with it.

what do you disagree on?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: mastina

Comfortable leaving this here for the night.

Now I'm gonna get me some Zzzzz, working long hours tomorrow.

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

because all your reads so far have been based off meta, so tell me why do you scum read me?

Because I use meta to augment the evidence in the thread.

Meta is a tool, not the end all be all of scumhunting.

And your posts look like scum

, even without meta;

superbowl's posts look like scum, especially given meta.

I disagree with your Bell and Gamma placements, see my read list to see why.

Oh I read your piece of shit readslist but I was at the time too polite to call it a piece of shit readslist, but if you insist on bringing it up...

Null

Dunnstral

: Strikes me for the kind of player that has a defined blueprint of how an alignment should act. I didn't like it that he tried to discredit me and paint me as scum for asking players why they townread me as if pocketing didn't exist.

Scum

Gamma

: Based on past games, Gamma is the kind of player that is very vocal about his thoughts and reads. In essence, Gamma is like Flea minus the satirical side when he is town. When he's randed scum he tends to shy down and avoid me as much as possible. In this game he is doing that and he also added an early game townread as a bonus.

Bell

: He seemed like he was looking for a reason to buddy up/pocket kookiemonster. When I question him about it and I asked him why he townread Noraa (which he didn't, it was a trap), he didn't deny the townread and confirmed he was townreading the hydra based on a hunch, a hunch caused by something that can be easily fabricated such as exasperation "with how much they rolled scum and that they didn't roll scum here". Maybe he knows their alignment.

Superbowl

: I think I already explained it in previous posts. This SB feels like he's been trying to be appeasing to me. Maybe he learnt the lesson and he is trying a different approach but there is something that tell me he is scum.

Sugar Cain

: Nero Cain is a scum hunter by nature, I haven't seen that here. I've yet to see his scum game but I have seen his town game and so far that town!Nero is not here.

ManWithNoName slot

: He used DK videos in Xenoblade to look carefree and meme-ing. I still remember "oh hell yah, I get to use my DK vids and not get sus for using them" in our discord scum chat from that game.

While your townreads are fine and most of your null reads are okay and the superbowl scumread is fine,
1:

You had three townreads. This game has ten town.

2:

You have five scumreads and four null reads. This game has three scum.

3:

Your read on Dunnstral being null is terrible because this is Dunnstral's towngame rather obviously.

4:

I have seen Bell TWICE in TWO recent scumgames, and can tell that this isn't the Bell of either of them, and that this is the same Bell I first saw in MBOS 10.

5: Your thoughts on Gamma do not actually match his total play this game; he is overall doing exactly what you'd say he'd do if he was town, which I agree with as being town from him.
6:

You were scumreading my slot when I know it to be a town one.

7: Nero Cain absolutely has been scumhunting here and I have seen it. Speaking of which...

And Nero, let's talk about Nero, granted I've only played one game with him

You're saying this to the player who has probably played more games with Nero Cain than literally any other scummer onsite. I genuinely think that I've been in ~60% of his games, and I've played with him in literally dozens of games, upwards of 30-50 games with him.

I am seeing the exact markers I look for when Nero is town, in this game.
Are they present in the amount I would like? No. But are they present and growing stronger with time? Yes.

You townread her, why?

Because I literally just saw the best scumgame Noraa's had in her career and she wasn't as town there as she is here; here she radiates townness through to the very core, whereas in that game she was struggling hard. Having seen Noraa as scum playing her best, I can tell that this is outside of her scumrange altogether.

For the first bolded text colored in red.

What evidence?

Because I don't see any of it here.

I don't care how spiteful you wanna be about my readlists, my readlists are usually pieces of shit from a scum perspective, so thank you. Also, why were you being polite and why aren't you now?

As for your numbered pieces of evidence.

You scum read me because...

1) You expect me to figure out the entire town roster by now (by the way, how do you know there are ten town and three scum?)
2) I didn't find all scum in Day 1 and instead I posted who i found as scum suspects and a modest list of nulls that I need to sort out.
3) Dunnstral is obvious town for you, not for me, how is that alignment indicative? You make it sound like every player who don't have the exact reads that you got are scum. How arrogant can you be?!
4) I don't have meta about Bell, so I'm going based on interaction with him here, how is that evidence that I'm scum?
5) No! Gamma is not playing to his town range in this game or at least not to the town range I have of him. When he towns up he'll be promoted to my better lists if not...I'll use all the power of my vote to yeet him!
6) I still do scumread you. Just because you say so, it does not mean you are, you have to prove it to us.
7) So? If you randed scum and Nero is your scum buddy, you are gonna use all those years of knowledge to mislead us won't you? If you are town, your years of experience are gonna be valuable to us for sure but I got no reason to believe you are as of now.

Let me ask again.

How is this evidence that I'm scum?!!

Good night!

[Guillotina]

@mastina

I don't know if you are intentionally misconstruing what I say or you are having a hard time comprehending what im saying or it's me who is failing to deliver my message to you in a way you can understand it.

In 554 i asked you why do you scum read me. I assumed your your next post was to address that. You said I asked you why to point out why my readlist was so bad, I NEVER DID. I asked to refer to my “piece of shit readlist” as you called it to see why i suspect Bell and Gamma of being scum.

Did you intent to piss me off by calling my readlist piece of shit? This is a legit question.

I ask because it is a common scum tactic to upset the target so they answer emotionally with a foggy head and exploit that mistake to turn what they said against them.

I assumed your 561 post was to address why you scumread me, which contains a numbered list of things i thought you scumread me for.
To which i replied in post 562.
—————————————————————

Now that that is out of the way i'm gonna proceed with why you actually scum read me.

Post 29 was rvs and a way of me saying, “I'm here and i got recent meta of you.”

Post 33, how did that feel forced? I've never been a hydra before and i'm still new to the ways MS play this game, i was legit confused to see them post separately after seeing them in the p-list as a hydra.

47 - It was not forced but it was not real either, it was a trap. After reading Bell post in 43 which felt like a pocket/buddy up attempt, I thought it was a good idea to test him out. I get why setting up traps can look scummy but I FPS a lot as town.

“For someone ‪allegedly specializing in earlygame interactions”. I never said I specialize in anything, i said that i got years of experience playing the game where I've seen scum tells early game being disregarded as fooling around during RVP. ‬

55 why does it give you scum vibes? Do you know the context behind that reply? I'm sure you don't. Flea and I just finished a game together and in that game i chose to play without meta and i told every one that i believed meta is garbage, so scum knew i was going to judge them for their actions in the game and not for what they've done in past games (and i failed miserably). That creates a sense of baffle-ness in people who rely too much on meta, specially scum, similar to what you are feeling right now.

Since you actually don't have meta of me, if you were scum you'd try to get rid of me as soon as possible, because a player with no meta is a player that can't be controlled. So Flea asked me if i was gonna play that way again, to which i replied, maybe or maybe not.

72 I genuinely asked why Gamma was so willing to give away town reads in less than 5 posts he's made at the time. So your feelings are misguided.

76/82 - Ok this is why i suspect SB, because in the other game i played with him, he was a petty scummy town and here suddenly, he wanna be friends and his interactions with me here feel like what you pointed out, feels like if he flipped scum then I would get yeeted by associations or suspected for these exact interactions.
You confirming my gut by associating me with him as scum/scum furthers my read on SB and gives you a few town points.

140 i dont see it. Oil feels he could be town. That hydra and I actually mindmelded on a few things but pre-justifying his potential bad reads because he may or may not be drunk felt shady, that is why he is in my null, but besides that, i like that slot better than the rest of the nulls.

About your 170 post observation, i didn't brush off anything. I interpreted it like he thought i could be an over confident town which I havent felt lately after i majorly fucked up by FPSing in another game here, or a scum guy desperate for content which is hilarious because i easily create content as either alignment, but i kinda saw where he could be coming from so I suggested to give it time.

179 i was not responding to Titus pressure? In fact Titus was interacting with Oil and I chipped in ideas on how to better manage the duel mechanic? What pressure are you talking about here?

213 for the record i try not to use meta, but i will if i want to. I'm not going to let you or anyone to cage me in to a playstyle by turning my words against me. I try not to use meta, but i will use meta if i want to and in this game i chose to.

451 not fake at all, let's say that there are more chances that i townread someone after i thunderdome with them than someone who magically townreads me. I understand that there are people with that talent but they are gonna have to show me why they townread me regardless, or scumread me like in your case.

and 453 this is not fake at all, by this point i town leaned Noraa and Flea but i could not explain why because the meta i needed to refer to was in a game that was still ongoing!

“Is this reasoning actually accurate? I don't have meta on you so I don't know.”

No excuse, this is my first time playing with you and I already looked you up for meta. You don't get to sit in your god complex throne and not do the same and instead expect everyone to take your misguided reads as true because you didn't bother to do your research.

[Guillotina]

Norra can u tone down the energy level.

the old folks here can't keep up with you (myself)

As an old folk, boo hiss to you! Let the kids have their fun! °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°

Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, I am a bit of a geeky nerd and am glad to be here. <3

Whoo! Was hoping to play with you more <3 When you can, give us your thoughts on whats happened so far in this saga o(^▽^)o

Tune in next week for our dramatic conclusion!

Town-but-I-admit-bias-to-loving-Flea's-personality-and-playstyle-in-saying-this-so-strongly. <3

OK wasn't expecting that so soon I'll take it!
Also I love when people say this <3 makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

*Offers Mastina a Mocha made by faer own fair hand*

because all your reads so far have been based off meta, so tell me why do you scum read me?

Because I use meta to augment the evidence in the thread. Meta is a tool, not the end all be all of scumhunting.

And your posts look like scum, even without meta;

superbowl's posts look like scum, especially given meta.

I disagree with your Bell and Gamma placements, see my read list to see why.

Oh I read your piece of shit readslist but I was at the time too polite to call it a piece of shit readslist, but if you insist on bringing it up...

*blinks, makes a caramel cortado and grabs the popcorn*

This gon' be guuuud.

I wasn't disappointed. Mastina can join me and nornor in the town picnic party. Happy giving Guillotina a conditional invitation, Oil has pinged me so amma do my thing.

A conditional invitation only? Im insulted! After everything we've been through?

[Guillotina]

Then you should be more than happy to sheep me as I am voting to eliminate both Oil and Guillotina.

Im not really ok with Guillo being first either. I always tend to SR him. He's not someone I ever want in lylo - he too scummy for that. But I do think I want to try to sort him instead of just shoving day 1 rope into his mouth and being like byeeeeeeeeeeee

-nornorbear

Ooh ouch, so, even if you town read me, since i dont deserve to be in lylo, what you'd do then. Policy yeet me?

[Guillotina]

How is this evidence that I'm scum?!!

Ok I feel comfortable calling guillo scum here. This took a lot of courage as I will feel super bad if guillo is town here but I have a read on him that im approximately 99.99% sure is right. Its the DK tell. If they aren't acting arrogant as hell and radiating hardcore "its my birthday everyday" energy, they're scum. If they are calmly trying to explain things and actually feeling reasonable and nice(for them), they are just scum.

Guillo is definitely more toned down than DK is in the birthday party energy but I think its the same tell honestly.

Im a bit overconfident about this but this is one of the tells that has actually worked for me in the past - I caught scum!DK really really fast in student council.

My soul reads ..... tbh are generally absolute shit. But there are certain tells that have worked for me. I think there are certain people/pstyles that are just easier for me to soul read. I dont know why but I do think that I feel good saying guillo is scum here.

I'll be retracting my mastina SR because that didnt feel like scum theatre to me + I think mastina should be able to start obvtowning soon enough if she's town.

-noraaaaaabearrrrrrrrrrrr

Then you are once again wrong or that you want to be wrong.

The ironic part is that i actually town lean you, which is the result of multiple games we've played together and you more than anyone have seen my scum game and my town games to have enough meta of me to determine that im town. I think you are letting Matina's seniority cloud your judgement but whatever.

[Guillotina]

Guillotina's "Nero isn't scum hunting" is chock full of shit. I'd be ok if we gladiate them. Dunno y ppl think Bell is town though.

That's the nero spark, don't shy down. Give it to me scum!

[Guillotina]

A word of advice mastina: you are arguing with a brick wall in guillotina. I still kinda want to just policy the guy because everything he spews out is basically NAI, but everytime I float a policy I get killed

We are not arguing. We are solving each other, big difference. You couldn't policy yeet me last time and you won't this time, although i must admit that sounds like the town!superbowl i know. The question is...is it real or are you faking it?

[Guillotina]

They’re just scummy man can we vote em already

VOTE: Sugarcain

obvscum
no mom = scum

-nonro

I'll sheep this for now.

VOTE: Sugar Cain

[Guillotina]

Did you intent to piss me off by calling my readlist piece of shit? This is a legit question.

Oh, nah, I was actually saying that in a fairly tongue in cheek sort of way. I could use a bunch of other words there. Crappy readslist, readslist is crap, shitty readslist, readslist is trash, trashy readslist, readslist is a piece of junk, junky readslist, readslist was bad, readslist was poor, and a dozen more. In the moment tho, it felt most apt/tongue-in-cheek to just go with piece of shit, because it just felt like the delivery that'd be most humorous while conveying my point.

I do apologize for that, tho--piece of shit is, as far as ways to call readslists bad, kinda the 'nuclear' option of sort and while in the moment it felt the most apt word to use to convey my humor, in hindsight I realize it was something that was too harsh/drastic a tone shift. (The tone shift was part of what the humor was meant to be, but it was, in hindsight, too extreme.) My bad on that wording.

Sentiment of the readslist being incredibly poor remains tho. [/quote]

LOL yah i think that with the first two synonyms i would have got the point. Apology accepted, it did feel offensive because invest time playing the game, so when i do reads to the best of my abilities and someone calls them piece of shit, i throw a metaphorical boulder on their head. If it was meant to be humorous i obviously didnt catch it but I’ll accept it.

[Guillotina]

Breaking up quotes on mobile is a pain in the ass!

[Guillotina]

I'll sheep this for now.

VOTE: Sugar Cain

My SR on you just disappeared ^^

UNVOTE: Guillo

-happynornor

That easily? Now that's weird!

[Guillotina]

I'll sheep this for now.

VOTE: Sugar Cain

My SR on you just disappeared ^^

UNVOTE: Guillo

-happynornor

That easily? Now that's weird!

Not really. I just want you to vote with me to lim my biggest SR.

-nornorbear

I love honesty. More town points for you.

[Guillotina]

When it’s a scumread that’s valid
But why would you avoid engaging with townreads, since they can help you with other reads if needed? Tbh the answer’s prob obvious but may as well ask

cause them being town doesn't mean i get anything out of engaging with them.
their reads could be shit, what do i have to gain by talking to them about their possible shit reads

its actually more valuable to engage with scumreads cause it helps either build a case or disafirm a bad read.
the only reason to read a townie is if u think ur possibly wrong about said townie.

but sometimes i don't want to engage with scumreads either.

I tend to ignore my townreads too unless they don't town read me back in which case i engage with them to try to clear doubts. Or unless those townreads raise red flags that make me question my reads on them.
But other than that i believe we are on the same boat on this mindset.

[Guillotina]

I'm gonna head out to chill and get ready to sleep. I worked 12 hours today, i gotta work 12 hours tomorrow.

Good night guys

[Guillotina]

Did you just go from SRing me to sheeping me in 3 posts get this guy outta here VOTE: guillotina

No. Im sheeping Noraa not you. If it was up to me you and Sugar would go in the arena right now. But for some weird reason you are town read so im voting Sugar Cain.

If you are town you should sheep me.

[Guillotina]

I'll sheep this for now.

VOTE: Sugar Cain

My SR on you just disappeared ^^

UNVOTE: Guillo

-happynornor

Nora, you're doing that thing where if people agree with you, they move higher up in your readslist.

How about this. Is everyone fine with sending Oily and Sugar Cain in?
The battle of the hydras.
Please express ur opinion on these two and also realize that there is going to be a shit ton of people that need to compromise for us to not fuck over day 1.

I think most people can agree that the arena possibilities are {BM, Flea, Sugar Cain, Oily, Guillo}

Out of those 5, who are your top two(scummiest) and who are you willing to compromise on(you don't SR them that hard but are ok with voting them into arena)?
We need to start working together otherwise a few extra scum votes on someone is going to throw that person into arena instead of a scum potentially.

-noraaaabear

I think if you replace me and Flea out with Superbowl and Mastina i'd be really happy.

If those are subbed in. Im ok with Superbowl/Sugar Cain , Sugar Cain/Mastina, Superbowl/Mastina

If superbowl and mastina are still out of the question.

Then Sugar Cain/Oil, Sugar Cain/BM or Oil/BM. I'm not eliminating Flea today.

[Guillotina]

Curious why BM is a scumread for you rn

BM is still null for me. I've already mentioned why in my piece of shit readlist (im not letting that one go Mastina) and nothing has changed since then. BM would be my last option but still an option.

[Guillotina]

like Noraa, if you're town tunneling me over Mom being absent then you (and Gamma) are just horrible and need to stop but I think you could easily just be scum here so...

Im not tunneling you over Mom being absent, im tunneling you over this not being town!you at all. Where is that condescending, arrogant, discrediting, tunneler, mocking, pricky scummy townie that i learnt to love in our game together where i FPS and fucked up. You are not scum hunting, you are not taking control of the thread, you are not even attempting to thunderdome with me. Or is it that you are fed up of me from the past game that you don't have the energy to face me here once again?

Do you know why i townread Noraa, because she is not afraid to confront me which is a good indicative that she is town because I would know if she'd try to fake it by now. Im a scummy town and it's natural that i get scum read and so are you Nero but that scummy town that i know is not here. That means you are either playing Townie scum or you refuse to acknowledge my presence here which quite frankly is insulting!

[Guillotina]

like Noraa,

if you're town

tunneling me over Mom being absent then you (and Gamma) are just horrible and need to stop but I think you could easily just be scum here so...

I assumed you were referring to me.

[Guillotina]

awww someone told you my tell on you

I have to say that this tell is not accurate. If the plist isnt one that I am a fan of, it doesn't matter what alignment I get. Im not gonna be happy.

-norbearbear

If you say so <3

Curious why BM is a scumread for you rn

BM is still null for me. I've already mentioned why in my piece of shit readlist (im not letting that one go Mastina) and nothing has changed since then. BM would be my last option but still an option.

Ooof the salt is real.

I'm so salty about that one that the ocean can borrow some from me.

[Guillotina]

anime is dumb

also VOTE: Bell

That must be Mom posting. Because Nerocain would never vote me,
right?

How did i miss your Bell scum hunting in P5! This is the epitome of what a great scum hunter should be!

[Guillotina]

u assumed a post that starts with "like noraa" and was clearly directed at her was addressed to you?

Well i townread noraa and you said “like Noraa, if you were town” and I had posted my willingness to send you to the arena, i thought you were referring to me yes! I mean i think you are s um so you should know that im town.

[Guillotina]

but the point is I WAS doing it as opposed to u claiming that I wasn't.

You was doing what? Scum hunting? Sorry but i don't see it. If that was, try harder or get the guillotine (pun intended)

[Guillotina]

My scum read on Bell was b/c I didn't like his opening. I mean I did go back and reread it and it wasn't as bad as I first thought but still it was kinda meh...

like 24 just seems scummy like he's been caught off guard that this started.

28, 48 are just empty hops. He's pushing Flea as scum but it just seems like flea to me so I'm not understanding this "Flea is so different this game!" Also, he didn't vote there until BM did which was sus.

Didn't really like his reaction 114 but most ppl have shit reactions anyway.

We should definitely nom FB first just because that WOULD be the most fun.

Why would it be fun?

He's also kinda

ate

ing and trying to excuse himself if Flea flips town.

If they are town, I am bad at mafia.

I am bad at mafia btw.

Ok i stand corrected, you did SOME scum hunting. I expect more from you.

[Guillotina]

but the point is I WAS doing it as opposed to u claiming that I wasn't.

You was doing what? Scum hunting? Sorry but i don't see it. If that was, try harder or get the guillotine (pun intended)

could you explain how that was different from my LG230 intro?

I dont remember the LG230 intro, i remember my experience with town!you there.

[Guillotina]

I are also changing the reason for scumreading me for "not hunting" to "not being the same" as mastina pointed out I was very much hunting and playing albeit maybe not as forcefully and with less words and I think someone in your scum pt pointed out that your "nero isn't hunting" doesn't pass the sniff test and so you changed your story. You're just scum with a fake push

You mean in the PT where the host forgot to add me where you, superbowl and mastina are?

I'm not changing reasons, I've been saying that town!you scum hunts and takes control of the thread unlike you here who has been avoiding the thread as much as possible and you would still be if kookies and I didn't push you.

I'm gonna give you time to town up though, I wanna tunnel superbowl now, is that ok with you?

VOTE: Superbowl

[Guillotina]

And how would you know if I was avoiding the thread? You are just saying strongly worded bullshit.

Because you are here now, after I really pushed you.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: guliotina

What took you do long if you have been scum reading me? Why now? Why exactly i voted against superbowl?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: guliotina

What took you do long if you have been scum reading me? Why now? Why exactly i voted against superbowl?

Why exactly AFTER i voted against superbowl? *correction*

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

I'll sheep this for now.

VOTE: Sugar Cain

My SR on you just disappeared ^^

UNVOTE: Guillo

-happynornor

Nora, you're doing that thing where if people agree with you, they move higher up in your readslist.

How about this. Is everyone fine with sending Oily and Sugar Cain in?
The battle of the hydras.
Please express ur opinion on these two and also realize that there is going to be a shit ton of people that need to compromise for us to not fuck over day 1.

I think most people can agree that the arena possibilities are {BM, Flea, Sugar Cain, Oily, Guillo}

Out of those 5, who are your top two(scummiest) and who are you willing to compromise on(you don't SR them that hard but are ok with voting them into arena)?
We need to start working together otherwise a few extra scum votes on someone is going to throw that person into arena instead of a scum potentially.

-noraaaabear

I think if you replace me and Flea out with Superbowl and Mastina i'd be really happy.

If those are subbed in. Im ok with Superbowl/Sugar Cain , Sugar Cain/Mastina, Superbowl/Mastina

If superbowl and mastina are still out of the question.

Then Sugar Cain/Oil, Sugar Cain/BM or Oil/BM. I'm not eliminating Flea today.

pfft dont stick me in there with sugar cain.

I'll take Oil on.[/quote]

Why not Sugar?

[Guillotina]

Spoiler: Next week....

I reckon OT's thoroughly tried pocketing me in their drunken state.
I'm SL'ing here, but BM more so currently. I'm happy seeing either flip rn.

you needed to review every single one of their posts individually to realise that Oil had been pocketting you? Don't believe it

I mean given you don't like me at all, I'm surprised you bothered to comment.

and I realised, it just didn't fully click as I had bigger fish to fry. You know, like you and the rude one.

i dont have any personal dislike for you Flea. I just think you are mafia, in a game of mafia.

this personal shit (from everybody) is dull. it's a game for goodness sake, and not a game of who can kiss the most ass.

I'm pocketed by this post.

[Guillotina]

guillotina is an anagram of "guilt an oil"

maybe stick them together, since Guillotina talks so big

I'm not pocketed by this post.

[Guillotina]

fire's vote on me is BS policy/rage voting.

i ain't mad at u? or policy u. I scumread u.

also what is a "fae"

Fair. Your vote looked like OOG rage/policy.

Do you scum read those that advocate for policy yeets?

[Guillotina]

fire's vote on me is BS policy/rage voting.

i ain't mad at u? or policy u. I scumread u.

also what is a "fae"

Fair. Your vote looked like OOG rage/policy.

Do you scum read those that advocate for policy yeets?

Nope but if I'm being policied I'm returning the favour

Flea is not scum here. This feels like a natural, untroubled answer. Scum would be very careful about their wording in topics like this one.

I return the favor to policy yeeters too.

[Guillotina]

I think the eliminations today from favorite to least for me look like this:
Oily
Guillo
BM
Firebringer
Titus
Sugar Cain
Mastina
Flea The Magician
Superbowl9

Are these people even in the game?????? - Gamma Emerald, Bell, Dunnstral

-noraabearrrrrr

I dont like my placement in your list at all.

My list looks like this.

Superbowl
Mastina
Bell
Sugar Cain
Dunnstral
Oil
BM
Gamma
Firebringer
Flea
Kookies
Titus

[Guillotina]

Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

then vote SB.

that false bravado is scummy as fuck.

Last time superb was run up day 1 he was town. we are not going to have a repeat of that here.

-nornorsaysNONONO

Yeah not doing another early SuperBase wagon. That's bit me twice now.

-John the proclaimer

It's just a tradition that I'm scumread every D1 until I obvtown and become consensus D2

I won't let you die day 1. Obvtown and u can be my top TR day 2 and on
Also U-U it's always fun when you solve the whole game for me.

-nornorislazybear

Nornor please don't meta read people already It aways ends badly.

worst case scenario superb is scum but so? we still have plenty of time to catch him.

-nnornornornornornrnornrroro

I don't want superb in the 1v1 today because superb will be obvious town/scum sooner or later. There is no need to put his life at risk today.

-nornorbear

Ok. Let me get this straight. The reason you are town reading superbowl is because you are afraid he might be town and be responsible for their yeet? There is no other reason other than guilt for killing hin day 1 when he was town even though he has not displayed any signs that he could be town here?

[Guillotina]

Dunnstral - Can be town
ManWithNoName - Shitty ISO, great vote to shake things up
VOTE: ManWithNoName
Battle Mage - Town
Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8) - Bad Vibes but it's RVS practically, so I want to see if it's just my breakfast leading to my gut here.
Gamma Emerald - No memory of his posts
Bell - Town
Superbowl9 - Waited with baited breath
Firebringer - Weak town, needs to scumclaim
kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa) - Need more posts to sort
Titus - Dead and Alive town
Flea The Magician - Reluctant to call a read here yet
Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain) - Weak town
Guillotina - Conflicted about their Bell push. Confident town or scum desperate for content

O_O yeah Titus is scum this game isn't she?
Titus/Oil/___

Ok I've posted a shitton more posts. No excuse to not sort now.



-nornorthebigtimescumhunterbear

Why did you scum read Titus here?

[Guillotina]

I think the eliminations today from favorite to least for me look like this:
Oily
Guillo
BM
Firebringer
Titus
Sugar Cain
Mastina
Flea The Magician
Superbowl9

Are these people even in the game?????? - Gamma Emerald, Bell, Dunnstral

-noraabearrrrrr

I dont like my placement in your list at all.

My list looks like this.

Superbowl
Mastina
Bell
Sugar Cain
Dunnstral
Oil
BM
Gamma
Firebringer
Flea
Kookies
Titus

How did I get townier than noraa? Or am I reading this backwards?

I am having second thoughts about the hydra that put them right bellow you.

Upon looking into their ISO they have never explained their town read on SB and their scum read on you, which is weird because they have given detailed reads about other people. Also town!nora would know this is my town game but for weird reasons she scum reads me, im ok with no free town reads but when i show obvious signs that im town and she fails to notice them, but clears superbowl based on fear from past games, then i see a problem.

[Guillotina]

Ok. Let me get this straight. The reason you are town reading superbowl is because you are afraid he might be town and be responsible for their yeet? There is no other reason other than guilt for killing hin day 1 when he was town even though he has not displayed any signs that he could be town here?

No. Johnny worded it well. Its not out of guilt. Its that the current game state looks exactly like all of the superb!town game states and he has done nothing even remotely out of his town meta.

Dont shade me G.

-norbearbear

You know i hate that word because i don't shade. Are you trying to provoke me?

You know what i realized?

That i'm a hypocrite. I'm having a problem with you townreading superbowl based on fear and guilt, while im doing the same thing with you. I've tunneled you so hard in past games where you have turned out to be town than im afraid of reading you wrong once again so i convinced myself that this has to be your town game.
But i'm looking at your ISO and i asked myself, “if Noraa was not town, would she be scum buddies with superbowl and Mastina?” and the answer to that question from my gut is, yes, she most likely would.

So i really need to know why you scum read titus, because you scum read ever since he voted for the Mastina slot and you never turned back and I neec to inow why you townread Superbowl other than “past game gamestate similarities” bullshit.

[Guillotina]

I am having second thoughts about the hydra that put them right bellow you.

Upon looking into their ISO they have never explained their town read on SB and their scum read on you, which is weird because they have given detailed reads about other people. Also town!nora would know this is my town game but for weird reasons she scum reads me, im ok with no free town reads but when i show obvious signs that im town and she fails to notice them, but clears superbowl based on fear from past games, then i see a problem.

-_________________________-
I sincerely hope you flip scum cuz ur not acting like town!you at all.
Again, im going to say it one more time, its the DK tell. If they aren't been absolutely difficult and obtuse, they aren't town.
I caught DK in student council with this tell and im fairly certain I caught you here with this same tell.
In other words, you are being too nice and trying way too hard to make us like you. You are so much more toned down than town!you.
Idc that ur taking ur TR on me back cuz it always looks bad TRing someone that SRs you hard and you aren't exactly playing against ur own wincon so I have no complaints.

-tsutsu

I change my meta in every game, ive told you in every game this. I also have reasons to be less hostile and try to make it easy to get townread as opposed to the other games where i had nothing to lose. I'm important.

[Guillotina]

That i'm a hypocrite. I'm having a problem with you townreading superbowl based on fear and guilt, while im doing the same thing with you. I've tunneled you so hard in past games where you have turned out to be town than im afraid of reading you wrong once again so i convinced myself that this has to be your town game.
But i'm looking at your ISO and i asked myself, “if Noraa was not town, would she be scum buddies with superbowl and Mastina?” and the answer to that question from my gut is, yes, she most likely would.

Good place to turn my read around.
Yes genius guillo here just solved the game. Mastina/Noraa/Superb.
*APPLAUSE*
Yes yes I love straight up WKing my partner for shitty reasons cuz that's just a wonderful idea.
wtf?????

-norbearbear

So you acknowledge that your reasons are shitty then?

[Guillotina]

Guilltonia is another anon alt, great.

No. Im not an alt. Funny thing everyone has said that when they meet me.
In one game i was scumread because i seemed to experienced for a noob. I'm a noob here but i've been playing this for almost two decades.

[Guillotina]

I also have reasons to be less hostile and try to make it easy to get townread as opposed to the other games where i had nothing to lose. I'm important.

SCUM CLAIM.

When I accused DK of this, they told me "Noraa have you ever considered character development" and I immediately replied "No"
You see if you were town, you wouldn't make up excuses and agree with my meta tell cuz you hold a green role pm and you know I am bullshitting.
But scum would be like "well the reason for that difference is _____"
Oil you are off the hook. I want to secure guillo a VIP spot in the arena.

VOTE: Guillotina

-tsutsu

@EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS GAME.

I don't care if you ignore all of my posts but you cannot ignore this one. I am reaching extreme certainty levels just like I did with DK and these two play styles are VERY similar.

Listen to me. Super Bowl, Mastina, and Momrangal are people that WILL town up if town and should be obvtown by tomorrow if town. They are not urgent slots to sort but Guillo is caught scum.

Think about it. If you are town and someone is like "YOU ARE SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM BECAUSE BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHMETABLAHMETABLAHBLAH"
You're reply is gonna be like "fuck off bitch"
But when you are scum and you know she is obvtown and you want to switch that read around, you calmly tell her "yeah, ik im different but that's because blah"
TOWN NEVER AGREES TO THOSE META TELLS. NEVER.

DK's reply to me was "character development" Guillos reply is that he has a different less hostile approach to this game.

TOWN NEVER REPLIES LIKE THAT. N E V E R.
This definitely isn't completely accurate but for play styles that have the "im town, you peasants" energy as town, those will never admit there is anything even remotely scummy about them.

-nornor

I'm town and replied like that! There you are wrong! Like you are wrong town reading superbowl for shitty reasons!

Did i hit a nerve? Are you and superbowl partners?

I WILL NEVER GET YEETED

[Guillotina]

Guilltonia is another anon alt, great.

No. Im not an alt. Funny thing everyone has said that when they meet me.
In one game i was scumread because i seemed to experienced for a noob. I'm a noob here but i've been playing this for almost two decades.

He's avoiding me. This is crucial. The moment someone starts tunneling a play style like this, if they are town, they will constantly refute.

But as scum, they are more cautious.

I got into a huge mess with guillo in Yellowstone cuz he kept replying to absolutely everything I said. He would prioritize my posts and replies to them because he WANTED TO WIN THAT FIGHT.

THIS IS NOT TOWN GUILLO.

-nornor

Go to hell! You scum read me in that game for those reasons and now you wanna say you townread me for those reasons too? You cant have it both ways! You are the scum here! Your reads change if someone is not doing your bidding, if anyone thinks differently than you they gotta be scum, if anyone agrees with you then they gotta be town.

You are easily pocketed for this reason and this is why make us lose games at lylo!

[Guillotina]

I think it's cute that noraa is calling Guil scum now but its something i knew 20 pages ago.

Look at the opportunistic jump!

[Guillotina]

but ima help her bus G here.

If noraa and i are partners, how come i didnt get added to her chat with superbowl?

Oh wait! I must be a lone wolf, nvm.

[Guillotina]

I may be wrong but I'm hard-townreading Guillotina here. Definitely not in the 1v1 today.

Oil + Flea could work

You are not wrong Hard-townreading me but you might wrong about Flea, they are behaving very similarly to their town game in Yellowstone.

Im going to wait for Guillo to flip but after he flips scum, im going to be looking hard into these defenders.

-norberabear

Aren't you the tyrant now? What will happen when I flip town then? If we go by your logic, should everyone look hard into you?

Flea is not going into the arena today.

-iwillneverallowthatbecuaseithinkfleaistownhereandimprettysurejohnnyagreesto

I agree on this!

Claims can come later. get people in the 1vs1.

oil vs guillo, lets go.

Give me a strong reason why you want me getting yeeted Flea. You've seen my town game, Noraa has too, how come you guys are not seeing that this is town me??

Stop. Guillo in Yellowstone was town and I tunneled him. We took up a straight up like twenty pages with our bickering. Here look at him. He's lurking out and hoping this dies down. I don't care what excuses he comes back and gives but I know that town!guillo is way too prideful to ever back down from a 1v1. I can only see a scum!guillo backing down for self preservation.

Todays arena is Guillo v Oily. Both are scum so vote whoever the fuck u wanna cuz we are hitting scum today.

-norbearbear

FFS I'm working 12 hour shifts now Noraa, I don't have the same amount of time I did in past games! There are 11 other players that I want to play with and sort out! Sorry I'm not sorry for not dedicating 20 more pages bickering back and forth with you but I just don't have the time! I'm almost a V/LA where I can spend just a few hours here, so you can't expect me to just focus on you so you won't scum read me! Come on now! Different game, different circumstances.

Now, why do you town read superbowl and why do you scum read Titus?

[Guillotina]

This derailing of Guillo's wagon is terrible but I also realize that oil's wagon has been stalling a shit ton too.
Both are going into that arena today and if this doesn't happen, we are doing heavy vca tomorrow to see who let their scum buddies go.
Vote guillo with me and I will vote oil right after guillo is thrown into the arena.

-letsstrikeadeal

You are not gonna negotiate my elimination like I'm some sort of peasant with no voice! I must remind you that I softed and you are going after a PR, you got more hostile when I softed a PR! You are scumming up!

noraa, we nearly had an actual majority on Oil, before you bailed for no reason.

If you won't vote guillo with me, I don't have to vote oil with you.

-norbearbear

I don't like Oil as an option either but I'd send him out of self-preservation.

oh and Guillo, you're welcome for the hard-defend.

Thank you very much! I hope this is not a wolf pocket.

Yeah, I was voting oil but I have a much much stronger SR on guillo than Oil. And with all this defense on guillo, I actually think oil might be town in a setup where guillo is scum.

-tsutsu

Oh great! Let's town read everyone that opposes my wagon because busers don't exist at all and let's scum read everyone that defends me because your deathtunnel gotta be right!

honestly, I rather do you and oil b/c your derailing the oil wagon for shit all reason. "i have a higher scum read on guil." FINE! guils going in the fucking arena but we should just finish oil ff and u r just adding unessisary spam by trying to prolong the no phase

Nope, I'm not going into the fucking arena today!

I already told you to go talk to mom if ur town. if ur not town, then by all means, lim the IC. Yes, I do think im the towniest player in this game and the closest person to an IC here.

-norbearbear

What is "IC"?

[Guillotina]

FFS I'm working 12 hour shifts now Noraa, I don't have the same amount of time I did in past games! There are 11 other players that I want to play with and sort out! Sorry I'm not sorry for not dedicating 20 more pages bickering back and forth with you but I just don't have the time! I'm almost a V/LA where I can spend just a few hours here, so you can't expect me to just focus on you so you won't scum read me! Come on now! Different game, different circumstances.

????

You scum read nora do you not?

I'm mixed in the feelings on this regard. I think there is the likeliness that if supebowl is scum, Kookies could be his partner. They are hard defending superbowl for no apparent reason other than fear they would miseliminate him. Also their scum read on titus has no progression and that is a little suspicious and well, Noraa has seen my town games and I can't understand why she is failing to notice this is my town game.

[Guillotina]

Guillotina, you're hardclaiming PR at several points now and "[youre] important".

you also say that you do this as VT to draw the night kill...

Why claim so quickly under no pressure and why do so to avoid votes? Why not prod and poke the votes on you, gather information, throw out that information while building cases and pushing your scumreads to give town something to work with?

I'm not doing so to avoid votes, I've been getting votes since way before I softed. I'm softing because I'm aware that my role could be important and by the way I read the thread there is an imminent threat that I could get miseliminated, or maybe I'm just Vanilla but I wanna keep playing. Who knows? I'm a creative person.

[Guillotina]

My break is almost up. I gotta get ready. Talk laters.

[Guillotina]

Ok. Good evening, I have an hour before i go to sleep. I'm super tired so, bare with me.

"I change my meta every game."

"They've seen my town games! Why can't they see this is my town game?!"


Pick one please Guillotina.

Why do I have to pick?

I change my meta at will but there are certain traits that I display involuntarily when I town regardless of the meta I portray, such as:

1) I protect my townreads but I'm not afraid to re-evaluate and push them if they raise a red flag.
2) My aggressive sugarcoat-less tongue.
3) I do not coward when I'm pushed, no matter who is doing the pushing and no matter the repercussions I may suffer for posing such resistance, specially against consensus town read players.
4) I question everything that seems odd even if it's not odd for everyone else.
5) I rarely sheep anyone, if I place a vote, it's because I believe in it. This is both a quality and a defect because it's hard for me to agree on a consensus vote I don't believe in.
6) I'm not afraid to OMGUS.
7) I tunnel

Now here are all my town games here

(I think I'm forgetting one but can't be arse to look for it now)

Large Normal 230

Open 800 - Donner Party

Yellowstone

Here are my scum games here and at MU

Xenoblade - I left this one early because I was busy and I couldn't be arsed to read 500 posts when I came back from work.

High Noon this is the one with a similar duelist mechanic as this one. We won this game as scum.

Pantheon Mash - We won this game as scum

Everyone's JOATED - I randed scum here, I tried to mimic my town game but it was obvious how forced it was. We lost this game.

Here I was a third party

Bastard Fiesta

[Guillotina]

G, I need your response as well. Is a conftown G good or bad for the game?

I don't understand the question. Can you ask in simpler terms please?

[Guillotina]

Hmph. You whippersnappers talk a lot.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

excuse me?

Hi. Why do you townread Battle Mage? Why do you scumread Sugar Kain? Do you have any other reads you'd like to share?

BM seems pretty active and earnest so far, this isn't like his scumgame against me where he played UtR
Sugar Cain (Nero Cain head to be specific) seems a bit similar to when I played as scum with him in Micro 887
for other I think kookiemonster is town, Flea seems scummy but I'm not really sold on that atp, Bell I thought town early but has fallen off it seems (based on activity overview), Titus and mastina both seem towny, guilo I had a turnaround on iirc where I thought him town but now think he's scum

Why do you think I'm scum? I ask because I think you might be scum.

I'll case you tomorrow but you and Superbowl are oddly different than when I played with town you in Donnor's Party.

[Guillotina]

Mastina help me case Guillo. You are far better at casing and convincing people than me. Plsssssssssss *puppy eyes*

There's a problem with that:
Casing people requires me to actually be sure they're scum, and while I know people tend to think that when I latch onto a scumread, I don't let it go...I actually DO end up sometimes actually getting such strong doubts that I can't make the strong push on them anymore.

In this game particularly, I'm struggling to get a reasonable solve or even a consistent townbloc.

To wit,

Spoiler: compare these reads I have zero-to-minimal doubt on...

kookiemonster (JohnnyFarrar and Noraa)
^This is Noraa's towngame through and through. Their everything is town. This is well beyond Noraa's scumrange because she can't perform this well and even Johnny is looking town in the few posts he makes. Noraa is actively scumhunting here rather than just blanket-OMGUSing and she's actively trying to reach out to others and convince them that she's right and is actually sorting people with good reasoning and actual basis behind her pushes and her reads. It is a level beyond what she's ever shown as scum and as I said previously, she radiates a town aura of being happy, when she loathes scum and is thoroughly burned out from multiple repeated scum PMs in a short duration.

Dunnstral
^While Dunnstral is slightly less active than my preference, I still think that this is solidly Dunn as town. He is one of the only slots I have no doubt on. This is a, reasonably active, Dunnstral who is pretty solvey in his posts and pushes and is being his normal reasonable town self.

Bell
^While I am not as intimately familiar with Bell as I'd prefer to be, this is a fairly active Bell who seems to have full confidence in his townness (a la MBOS10 (contrast superbowl9 who does not give that same energy from that game at all). He is being reasonably active and his contributions are reasonably good. Having seen him as scum twice, I can say this looks like neither of his scumgames.

...To those I DO have doubt on:

Battle Mage
^While my thought is that Battle Mage's fights are town, even TvT, I know I can't read him, and there is paranoia that his pushes come from scum. I can see the conviction behind them being from him as town, but I also know he will make posts that have conviction as scum. And, someone needs to be scum, so it could be him. But, my instinct does say town because the pushes he is making, though not all good, all seem to be sincere which makes me think more town than scum.

Oil Tycoons (Syryana and Nachomamma8)
^While I am far from alone in thinking the content of the hydra sucks ass, there are a couple of things making me doubt that they're scum. Notably,
1: I believe that I'm basically the closest thing the slot has to an ally? Is literally everyone suspicious of them? It certainly seems that way; I may be remembering incorrectly, but I don't remember so much as a single slot defending them and a ton of slots attacking them. Meaning, either they're town or scum are willing to bus them.
2: the push with their intervention in BM v Flea felt incredibly out of place if they're scum--it doesn't make sense with any combination of Flea/BM's alignments with Oil Tycoons. Not scum-BM, not scum-Flea, not town-both, and certainly not scum-both. That intervention does nothing for Oil Tycoons in any of those combinations.
3: The reachouts made to slots like me. I realize it's not impossible for scum to make reachouts like that, but the reachouts instantly made me doubt my scumread there and think town.

Gamma Emerald
^While I liked Gamma's early content and to some extent still like it now, he's far from locktown and my defense of him from Guillotina was exaggerated. Tho I genuinely did see the things in him I said I did, I'm not as sure about them as I appeared; there was doubt in my mind, and

someone

needs to be scum. So he's a candidate for that.

Firebringer
^I can say that I've liked everything Firebringer has done content-wise, but I can't read him worth shit. I'll say that I do like his chosen gimmick for this game tho; it does put a smile on my face and is genuinely entertaining and amusing. (The abrasiveness towards others, less so, but I cannot blame him for it.)

Titus
^I really, really liked Titus's content, but while everything she's said has resonated with me, one thing is keeping her from being in the town group: by gut, something tonally feels 'off' about Titus. The things she's said are good! Her reads are solid, her reasoning is great, and her stances are good. She's being fairly reasonable and doing things that do look town. But gut-wise, something tonally seems off about her, and I can't place it beyond a feeling of something there being artificial.

Flea The Magician
^Flea is a slot that I townread because faer content does look town to me. I've liked faer tone, I've liked faer reasoning, I've liked faer pushes, I'm liking everything fae is putting forward. But I admit there is a lack of familiarity, and yes, I do see the similarities between this game and Among Us that Battle Mage is pushing fae for. However, it also seems subtly different. Are the differences just due to being a different scumgame? Possible, but overall I do lean towards the slight differences being due to Flea being town. It's not a locktown read tho.

Sugar Cain (Momrangal and Nero Cain)
^When Nero posted, I mentally noted in my list of Nero-tells that this looked like Nero as town. But every time I reviewed prior Nero games, I came to doubt it. Yet when reading his iso here, I came to see it again. Overall, Nero's less active here than he should be; Nero's content seems to be slightly lacking in some things that could indicate scum; Momrangal while present now was largely absent, in a way similar to the previous Sugar Cain scumgame where Mom was largely absent and Nero did most of the posting.

However, while some aspects of Nero's posting seems flat in the way typical of his scumgame, other aspects of his play still resonate with me as town. The indignance I'd expect from Nero as town, though more subdued, is still present. So while I am slightly conflicted, I still think that, overall, this is Sugar Cain as town, because I still think that I am seeing the right things for Nero being town.

Guillotina
^Guillotina's a slot I was strongly scumreading, by both gut and also through their lackluster content on multiple levels. Their posting felt forced and faked, and I hated how their readslist had inverse proportion to reads as it should--it had three town when it should've had three scum, and five scum when it should've had five town. I disliked the reads and the reasoning within at the time and Guillotina's response to pressure is terrible.

Furthermore, Guillotina's shown multiple inconsistencies, such as "I try not to use meta" when using a bunch of meta, and saying that their game is constantly being changed up, while resembling a past game of theirs. There's numerous such inconsistencies throughout their iso and I can see exactly why they look like scum from these trends.

So why the doubt?

For a start--while Guillotina's hyper-aggro towards me when pointing this out wasn't town, Guillotina did raise a good point: Guillotina did in fact risk getting mod-replaced/modkilled in that one area with the, what's the best term to use? Loophole abuse? Angleshooting? Guillotina genuinely went out of their way to get mod clarification on the rules, in a way that scum did have no reason to do and I can see town having reason to.

More than that, the way Guillotina handled my slot seemed genuine as well, where Guillotina by the end was reaching out to me, and the way Guillotina was handling things seemed hugely town. Guillotina's content since then has also had huge shades of townness, from the general handling of the game and stances taken that feel sincere, genuine, and based at least a little in fact.

Plus, in hindsight: I don't actually disagree with Guillotina's readslist as much as I thought,

and

, I am, currently, ironically: in a state where my own reads due to being in disarray, are actually similar to the very thing I attacked Guillotina for, in not having enough town, being too incoherent, being too uncohesive, etc. So I can not hold that against Guillotina.

(Not included: Superbowl9, as a read that I see as unambiguously scum)

I'll try to put these thoughts into a readslist next post.

I like this post. I'll refer to it tomorrow when I have more time. (I tried to put the quoted text inside a spoiler but it didn't work for some reason).

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Oil
I dunno why people SR this but practically everyone has so I'm okay sheeping

Why are you doing this Gamma? You've been Echoing Kookies' votes and reads like a slave?
Town!you don't do this.

[Guillotina]

There's a problem with that:
Casing people requires me to actually be sure they're scum, and while I know people tend to think that when I latch onto a scumread, I don't let it go...I actually DO end up sometimes actually getting such strong doubts that I can't make the strong push on them anymore.

In this game particularly, I'm struggling to get a reasonable solve or even a consistent townbloc.

YAY you do SR guillo! Awesome!
as for town block, its just {Mastina, Noraa}

done!

-happynornor

She actually does not scum read me unless I interpreted it wrong, she nulls me. Which is more than I could have hoped for for someone that has never played with me. She actually took the time to case me.

[Guillotina]

Can I trade roles with BM or Flea please?

This post is weird. How do you know they have roles? did they claim?

[Guillotina]

I think im gonna pull a titus and play from like a few pages back each day

Im trying so damn hard to save ur scummy ass. Please stop being dumb like this. You're on the chopping block cuz of dumb stuff like this -________-

1) you better be town otherwise im going to be mad
2) you better get into the game

-hmphydoodles

OMG there is hope, she is starting to see it.

[Guillotina]

You know the guy sitting in the car with the lady pounding on the window meme? Can someone make that with me and mastina’s heads

The hell is this post. So you barely have time post anything because you are on vacation but you have time to post crap like this?

[Guillotina]

Can I trade roles with BM or Flea please?

This post is weird. How do you know they have roles? did they claim?

Is there an answer to this pair of questions that is both productive and beneficial to the town?

It looked weird to me. It's probably nothing.

[Guillotina]

Oil Dunn Superbowl9 Gamma...who is with me?

I'm down for Superbowl and Gamma out of that list.

[Guillotina]

Town: Noraa, Johnny, Mastina, Superb, Oily

This list has zero scum. Im calling it.

-norbearbear

Baah. Really? Superb?

[Guillotina]

The thing that made me zero in on him though? His interaction with you, Noraa. Starting at 713 and ending with 729, he followed you around like a lost puppy. Actually, more like a parrot, since he unvoted as soon as you went "well i'm not actually scumreading Firebringer tho" in 728. His posting this game is completely soulless and directionless, which heavily contradicts both games I've seen him play town (Xenoblade, and Smoke Filled Antechamber).

Also of note; he's active lurking. He posts in little spurts every few hours or so, off and on, but he certainly was johnny on the spot when I came in and voted him. In fact, that vote was the first time I got any hint of emotion from him this entire game.

Oil sees things that I see. I like it.

(I'm sorry for your loss)

[Guillotina]

Ok. I'm off to sleep. Good night

[Guillotina]

Not before I do this

VOTE: Gamma

[Guillotina]

Is there a reason to vote them

I mean I was voting them b/c his

"nero isn't scumhunting"

was a lie from the bottom pits of hell and then he changed his reasoning to

"nero isn't being the same"

He's trying to argue that they are one in the same but I disagree. He's saying that my blankRVS looking vote on Bell wasn't scumhunting but when I pointed out that I had a similar opening in LG230 he "forgot" so mypov he's scum that got caught sheeping dumb town SB and noraa is trying desperately to bus.

What do u like about him?

Gamma

: Based on past games, Gamma is the kind of player that is very vocal about his thoughts and reads. In essence, Gamma is like Flea minus the satirical side when he is town. When he's randed scum he tends to shy down and avoid me as much as possible. In this game he is doing that and he also added an early game townread as a bonus.

Bell

: He seemed like he was looking for a reason to buddy up/pocket kookiemonster. When I question him about it and I asked him why he townread Noraa (which he didn't, it was a trap), he didn't deny the townread and confirmed he was townreading the hydra based on a hunch, a hunch caused by something that can be easily fabricated such as exasperation "with how much they rolled scum and that they didn't roll scum here". Maybe he knows their alignment.

Superbowl

: I think I already explained it in previous posts. This SB feels like he's been trying to be appeasing to me. Maybe he learnt the lesson and he is trying a different approach but there is something that tell me he is scum.

Sugar Cain

:

Nero Cain is a scum hunter by nature, I haven't seen that here.

I've yet to see his scum game but I have seen his town game and so far that town!Nero is not here.

ManWithNoName slot

: He used DK videos in Xenoblade to look carefree and meme-ing. I still remember "oh hell yah, I get to use my DK vids and not get sus for using them" in our discord scum chat from that game.

Proof that I never changed from green to blue as if I was changing my reason to scum read you, I literally said both things at the same time. You are not the same because you are not scum hunting the way I've seen you scum hunting. Stop misconstruing my words to scum read me back.
You submitted proof that you did some scumhunting hence why I let go of your leash a little bit, but you are still at the bottom 6 of my list, or top 6 in the death row list.

[Guillotina]

I think im gonna pull a titus and play from like a few pages back each day

Im trying so damn hard to save ur scummy ass. Please stop being dumb like this. You're on the chopping block cuz of dumb stuff like this -________-

1) you better be town otherwise im going to be mad
2) you better get into the game

-hmphydoodles

OMG there is hope, she is starting to see it.

This is a stretch.

Meaning?

[Guillotina]

Oh, I dunno what you expect from me in rvs. I’m basically gunna read people for whatever’s available.
Part of it is just to generate discussion.

It’s not like she’s town forever because I thought she was town at the beginning. Reads are fluid. Did you think my reads wouldn’t change later? I don’t see your reason for umbridge/suspicion for an early read.

No, my reads on you have changed, that post was for Sugar Cain because they accuse me on doubling down to find reason to scum read him back then when it was not the case.

[Guillotina]

That she’s starting to “see it” or anything really. Asking for activity isn’t really an indication of mind changing.

Her post was not referring to activity, but about Superbowl "dumb" (fluff) posts, that have been predominant in his play so far, or at least that is how I interpreted it.

[Guillotina]

Break is over. Be back later.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Mastina

Normally I wouldn't justify a vote like this face first so to speak. But I also don't think pressure is the correct way to engage with Mastina.
In general I think their reads and opinions are very straightforward and easy to understand this game. There is an emphasis on being understood.
In the other games I've played with Mastina they were utterly domineering, generating their own opinions almost in a bubble. There was less emphasis in being clear and communicative than here, or maybe I should say her communication style is decidedly different.

I think her most recent post is strange, off or mildly difficult to be believable. Spending 30 minutes to check if they really ever have misread Nacho seems like a tremendous waste of time. Her emphasis on explaining her process over the result is also strange. I am well aware Mastina wall posts that they are usually not concise, but usually it's packed with opinion and meaning in a way that these posts aren't, they're less dense.

Yeah, I know. I really am just singling her out because she's posting different. Which sucks and isn't a great way to vote folk. But I also, I guess in the simplest terms, think she is off. Is the best way to describe it.

Also:
VOTE: superbowl9

As memey as it'd be to send Firebringer into the arena, I'd prefer scum candidate vs scum candidate in the arena, when Firebringer isn't one to me.

VOTE: Superbowl9

I agree with you on Superbowl9, but I can’t read Firebringer and maybe you can help me with that. Why is Firebringer town?

[Guillotina]

@Bell You if i understand correctly. Mastina is usually opinionated with her read and you think she is off because she is not here?
Town!Mastina can’t legitimately be hesitant about her reads?

[Guillotina]

I think however that her reads make a lot of sense. Almost too much sense, I find myself nodding along to their reads, while recognizing that she's pretty much pushing at lurkers and not having genuine scum reads.
I find nothing or little to object to with her reasoning or opinions. To the point, it's actually strange in itself.

I am not articulating myself well here.

Could it be that you have expectation on how Mastina plays and she is not meeting them here and that’s why you think she is off?

[Guillotina]

Nora is town, flea is town, bell is probably town, I'm inclined to mastina and titus town this game. Mastina entrance and how she posts is town. Iirc she has a complete inability to play that was as scum, and I don't see titus flaunting around her potential PR in the way that she is as scum.

That leaves Dunn, FB, SB, BM, Oil, guillo, and gamma

This is the last thing I wrote before thread lock.

In what world I'm scum and I'm scum-reading and pushing gamma and superbowl to the arena, whom you scum read too?

I'll wait.

[Guillotina]

Do we have Superbowl as a scum read?

I have no opinion on that slot yet, and Nero didn't convey such a read to me.

What makes you think the left-overs= scum?

I don't. I specifically said Gamma-Superbowl

Nero has been pushing SB as scum and you guys nominated Gamma to go to the arena.

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: Superbowl

I need to reevaluate

[Guillotina]

Nero has been pushing SB as scum and you guys nominated Gamma to go to the arena.

Aye he did, it was lost in the flurry of posts that I didn't respond to. The way SB positioned himself against us was shady as hell.

To answer your question though, the world of WIFOM. considering the fact that the votes don't lead to lynches right away we could be wrong in one of our pushes and

you could still be scum with our other pick.

Is it possible? Yes.
Is it probable? No.

Why would I push a scum buddy since early Day 1, drag him all the way to nomination phase and throw him into the arena, when I could easily do something else and avoid losing a partner? What you are implying here is that in your world, I'm scum playing against my wincon. I don't game-throw. (Ok... I have, Nero and Gamma know the story but I was arrogant and thought that FPSing would help town get the win but I promised I'd never FPS again until i knew the community more).
If you look into my ISO you will see that I picked up Gamma and Superbowl since early in the game and they instead of towning up, they have been performing unremarkably in relation to their town-play from other games.

I understand that SB is V/LA but the times he has posted here, he's posted scummy-fluffy shit. I honestly don't understand why Kookies townread him besides not wanting to do so because they have run him up in other games where he flipped town, if they got rid of that guilt and objectively read his posts and the intention behind those posts, they'd be voting him now. So I think that the reason the hydra is not voting is because I'm voting him and they dont wanna vote with me.
The question is how about everyone else? What are they seeing that I'm not?

It's not like I'm tunneling them either. I scum read Mastina slot (previously occupied by MWNN) and she came in all aggro on me and we thunderdomed and ever since, she's been towning up IMO. I'm aware that I'm new on this site and that she is a legendary player here and she could fool me, but I don't think that's the case here. Her posts are well elaborated (besides the piece of shit read-list part) and explained her points that from my opinion come from a town mindset (she is hesitant but so are we, otherwise there would be two players in the arena already). Bell says it cannot, I'm sure he knows Mastina more than I do, but skeptical me will only believe in my gut for now so I townread her. She and I also mindmeld on not being able to sort FB and scum reading SB, not to mention that she got Noraa (along with BlackMage) off my back for a bit allowing me to breath and enjoy the game with the limited time I have to play it, if she is scum, I'm hard pocketed.

I scum read Bell for something I interpreted as a pocket/buddy up attempt on Noraa and tunneled him for that for a while, but his interactions with others and the way he drives the thread does not feel it is ill intended. He scum hunts, asks informative questions and assists me in reading others while does not pressure me into town reading his town reads which I appreciate.

And then there are you guys. I scum read you too, partly because Nero didn't seem to be playing a town game the way I saw them play on L230, mainly the aggressive scumhunting part that I know him for, he pointed out that he indeed has, I admitted that I was wrong and backed off, but not to the point to call you town, you are still at the bottom but not the bottom where you are in danger of getting nominated to clash against Gamma in the arena.

If I had to decide now who goes against Gamma, it would be VOTE: Superbowl and unless something happens that motivates me to change my mind, I think I will park it.

Good night.

[Guillotina]

I understand that SB is V/LA but the times he has posted here, he's posted scummy-fluffy shit. I honestly don't understand why Kookies townread him besides not wanting to do so because they have run him up in other games where he flipped town, if they got rid of that guilt and objectively read his posts and the intention behind those posts, they'd be voting him now. So I think that the reason the hydra is not voting is because I'm voting him and they dont wanna vote with me.
The question is how about everyone else? What are they seeing that I'm not?

He acts like this regardless of alignment

I don't even townread him, I'm just absolutely unwilling to lose another d1 to it. ESPECIALLY since he's been away. I'll fight on this.



-j

eh what? You don't townread him but you are willing to fight on this... Ok, I believe you. I'm not afraid to fight on this but I'm still drained from our last encountered at Yellowstone, I dont want another YS here.

If not superbowl and me (I'm not voting with you to eliminate myself), then let's do Sugar Cain, I like Superbowl less than that pair, but they are a better option than anyone else. I'm willing to un-park my vote and send Sugar Cain to the arena with you.

UNVOTE: Superbowl in good faith.

[Guillotina]

Scrath anyone else, i literally forgot about Dunnstral. I'm willing to go there too, I don't town read or scumread that slot, but I'm willing to sort it in the arena.

[Guillotina]

Sugar Cain is scum.
Guillo is scum.
y'all dumbos are going to throw some townies into the pit instead of the two whole entire scum I caught. like BRUH

If you caught scum in that list, it's not me! IT'S NOT ME!

When you came back from your small break from the game. What did you do? Have you caught up? Of did you just didn't bother to catch up to keep tunneling me?

How about actual reads about everyone else? I wanna know where your mind is about the current game state?

[Guillotina]

Y'all are really only gonna see it once they are guiltied?
tsk tsk.
smh.

-nornor

I'm not gonna get guiltied

I know you want me to be scum so bad but your dreams were crashed the moment the game started.

[Guillotina]

Guills sass is coming out again...

<popcorn.gifv>

Are you a fan?

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

THis person agrees too much mastina, and agreed alot with my early postings. That makes them doubly suspicious. This is my ace in the hole scum case.

VOTE: Firebringer

Elaborate because your post is too vague and I can't understand why agreeing with people's points is suspicious.

[Guillotina]

Whoever is town out there, VOTE: Guillotina with me

-bearbear

I'm ignoring you from this point forward and I don't give a crap if you vote me for the rest of the game. Your tunnel is not fun and I play to have fun! Adios!

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Guillotina

THis person agrees too much mastina, and agreed alot with my early postings. That makes them doubly suspicious. This is my ace in the hole scum case.

VOTE: Firebringer

Elaborate because your post is too vague and I can't understand why agreeing with people's points is suspicious.

buddying/mind melding with both of us is just weird imo. in the same game is weirder.

How is it weird?

[Guillotina]

How is it weird that I happen to mind meld with Mastina, and where have I mindmelded with you, if I have I've forgotten. And no, I'm buddying up anyone.

[Guillotina]

I'm not buddying anyone* geezus

[Guillotina]

I'm ignoring you from this point forward and I don't give a crap if you vote me for the rest of the game. Your tunnel is not fun and I play to have fun! Adios!

that escalated quickly? I tried looking through ur iso to see if this was a build up overtime but idek. I see u kind of being annoyed earlier.

U know this is weird.
I don't read us as a player with high neuroticism. But you are acting with high neruoticism.

No I am, but ive been busy working 12 hours a day so I'm try to play as much as I can and chilling with it because my work is stressful enough. My experience with Noraa has always been draining and quite honestly I've had enough.

[Guillotina]

How is it weird that I happen to mind meld with Mastina, and where have I mindmelded with you, if I have I've forgotten. And no, I'm buddying up anyone.

ohh me and mastina are mortal enemies.

sometimes i assume people know this.

also ur voting something i want btw. I want to be in the arena.

Mastina hinted something about that here but no, I don't know what's going on between you too.

So you are saying that you wanted a reactionary vote just to go to the arena?

[Guillotina]

Noraa has made a case for both of them being scum.

I actually can see it as being shade or trying to push at them for humility. It wasn't the intended the effect, or rather the effect was to see how they'd respond to it so I could try to understand them, but from a presentation perspective where others are watching the accusation is not unfair.

It is in the context it was you who said it. I don't think I've seen you say a mean word to anyone since I've been back. But at any rate.

Guillo bothers me. I like his confidence, but am I giving him town points for personality?

I think what bothers me about Guillo is he spends so much time arguing with people about why he isn't scum as opposed to ignoring them like several (including myself)

have suggested and just figuring out the game.

Guillo, could you give a readslist? I'd just like a grouped together list of who you think is where. Doesn't need reasons.

Ok first, that is not true, I've engaged with different people and I've pursued my reads. As far as spending time arguing, I've been trying! I understand people tunnel, I tunnel! But when I'm tunneled I hate it and my blood boils! I know it sounds hypocritical but *shrug*

Where I'm at from town to scum.

Titus
Mastina
Bell
Kookies
BattleMage
Oil
Flea

Firebringer
Dunnstral
Sugar Cain

Gamma
Superbowl

[Guillotina]

Guillo u answer for me how accurate u think this assessment of ur iso.
WHen i read ur iso u tend to be commenting on current thoughts happening that exists, u usually tend to agree with what thoughts people expressing and adding on ur 5 cents.
I don't see extreme divergents to where i would call it independent thoughts or maybe call it controversial takes.

do u agree with this assessment and what would u call it if not buddying?

Ok. In this game when I comeback from work. I read the last page first then I go back to the last page I left off and read from there. I comment on the go on things that catch my attention, whether it is to oppose resistance or to support it, all of this while I'm keeping privates notes with references about how it felt. "Such post was weird" "such post mindmelds", "such post is fluff", "such post in scummy" etc. I think to "agree with posts and add my 5 cents" is an oversimplification but yah, I'm sometimes guilty of that, but when i disagree I contest it too and I'm vocal about it. I've been less vocal here cause I've been working a lot and I'm exhausted so I got less energy to fight, so to speak.

I think you and I have different definitions of what buddying and pocketing is.

Pocketing someone to me is agreeing with people's posts regardless of logic just to gain the favor from the target.

Buddying up to someone is a player that fakes synergy with a team mate in the thread.

I'm not doing either. If I reach a point where I'm agreeing with someone is because I've done my own due process and reach it there on my own. You get me?

I hope this clear things up for you.

[Guillotina]

Never unvote me.

I don't know if this is some high reverse psychology level or you really wanna go to the arena.

Why do you wanna go to the arena?

[Guillotina]

Never unvote me.

I don't know if this is some high reverse psychology level or you really wanna go to the arena.

Why do you wanna go to the arena?

Its reverse psychology.

Ok then. UNVOTE: Firebringer

Why do you wanna go to the arena?

[Guillotina]

Guill all you're going to get is either joke answers, in character answers or WIFOM. He wishes to be in the arena, lets see him 1vs1 gamma.

I wanna try to understand him. His style fills me with perplexity which is both annoying and fascinating.

[Guillotina]

FB is town

why?

[Guillotina]

Nah, I meant you not noticing it is a town slip that I have to wifom myself into knots without ever getting closer to you.

I'm pretty sure FB flavor claimed Mr. satan.
and when the no active skills started the flavor text explicitly pointed toward Mr. Satan.

That's pretty much my scum case on FB RN.
They've been pretty chill and towny but scum often are.

Where did FB claimed Mr. Satan, quote it please.

[Guillotina]

Mafia weren't afraid of a doctor, and a doctor didn't target mastina

Also their role is backup, but backup for what.

Back ups always inherit the first role that goes down.

[Guillotina]

Is an area of effect mass cancelation ability like that, that does not stop the scum team from performing a night kill a scum role or a town role usually?

In my experience hosting games, actives refer to active roles as there are passives as well. Factional kills never count as active roles.

[Guillotina]

Was Mr. Satan a fighter in the anime?
I thought his character was a loser posing as fighter no?

[Guillotina]

Also not sure how that gamma wagon happened, sure he's not obvtowning but his posting has been good so far

He replaced out. He just had life stuff but his inactivity got pushed pretty hard.

I still scum read that slot but im willing to re-evaluate based on this information. Did Gamma mentioned this in thread somewhere? I missed it.

[Guillotina]

Mafia weren't afraid of a doctor, and a doctor didn't target mastina

Also their role is backup, but backup for what.

Back ups always inherit the first role that goes down.

That's universal backup

Which the flip may have been

What i meant is that back up inherits the first role that goes down in their respective faction.

[Guillotina]

By the way

VOTE: Superbowl

Mastina scum read you and I agree. Now she is dead! A little convenient don't you think?

[Guillotina]

Man, I'm exhausted.

Mr. Satan was the world champion of the (earth) martial arts tournament goku and company usually fight at he is actually quite strong and is a martial artist, but by the time DBZ rolls around everybody else is bullshit and can destroy the planet with their thumb.
Mr. Satan can break rocks with his fist.
He's a bit of a conman and coward/poser. But he is a fighter and he does fight at the tournament as well.
The ability as written in the flavor text points directly to Mr. Satan having used it.

Oh ok, never mind then.

[Guillotina]

BM's town, bell's town, nora's town (and if not I won't be able to see it anyways). Flea/guillotina lock it in

Wanna explain these reads?

[Guillotina]

What you mean by lock it in?

[Guillotina]

What is IC?

[Guillotina]

Mastina is dead cuz she is IC

like wtf are you doing?

Also, wtf are there specs on whether titus's role is town or scum? Titus is dead.

It's late, but SBvGuillo seems TvS and I need to see which nero thinks is more likely scum. I'm partial to guillo

~sugar

Titus is dead, not her legacy! What's the point?!

In what world do I benefit from killing Mastina? She town read me more and more in every readlist!

[Guillotina]

Yooooo my boy was born today. (Technically yesterday) so I'll be spotty. That said I'm in support of all the same shit I said yesterday. I was already townreading mastina and taking her reads into consideration. I think the kill was entirely because she was IC, not necessarily because of the veracity of her reads

Or both! he's back from vacation, he can defend himself.

(Congratulations about the baby )

[Guillotina]

it is very likely that the person who nullified all actions could display a message to town and is using that to frame me. it is also likely that the person is scum given the fact it stops doc actions.

So now that we know both those things. Who would want to frame poor old innocent firebringer? Probably Flea me thinks.

It gotta be a scum role because who would roleblock the entire playerlist, including protection roles and cop checks right after Mastina was locked town clear with Titus action?

If it was a town role that player is throwing!

[Guillotina]

@Finral can you please expand on this?

Guillo vs FB is interesting. I can see it being TvS. This is a note to myself to look deeper into both these slots. I've been indifferent with Guillo thus far.

Parts of me think Kookiemonster/Guillo is fake, but I'll put a tinfoil hat on this one.

If I had to take a shot in the dark guess of where I'm feeling right now, it would be

Oil, Kookiemonster, Firebringer

as the scum team.

Guillo, Bell, and Superbowl are the 3 I want to look into more, and could probably replace into that likely incorrect full solve.

Light Blue

: Considering you said you want to town read FB and that you are indifferent with me. Who pinged you as scum in that TvS and why?

Green

: What interactions seemed fake to you? I'm aggravated by the thought that someone would consider "fake" my reactions to Noraa's death tunneling, or how she seems to be convinced that I'm scum. I'm not scum, but I believe she is convinced of it and I don't believe those emotions can be faked by someone like Noraa, so, what seemed fake?

Red

: In what world is Kookiemonster scum? She is pretty much consensus town read.

[Guillotina]

What is IC?

With all your experience in mafia and you don't know what an innocent child is?

I don't buy it

I know what innocent child is, but I'm bad with abbreviations.

[Guillotina]

I don't think abilities can be activated during twilight?

Finally we agree on something. Too bad it's a mechanical subject only.

There are day actions and night actions. I've never seen twilight actions, then again I'm new here.

[Guillotina]

I think I'm going to let Superbowl pocket me if they are scum because something there is poking at me to just accept that they're town and go from there despite my common sense wanting to push them as scum.

This guy's smart

He looks smart but he is BLIND.

[Guillotina]

Also, Guillo essentially outed themselves as scum calling me blind based solely on the Kookie read, because they didn't talk about Oil at all which means they're likely trying to discredit me to weaken my push on Oil but not bring up Oil.

Classic hatchet.

I didnt call you blind for the kookie read, im calling you blind for your read on superbowl whom i scum read.

I also scum read your predecessor.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Finral

[Guillotina]

Also, Guillo essentially outed themselves as scum calling me blind based solely on the Kookie read, because they didn't talk about Oil at all which means they're likely trying to discredit me to weaken my push on Oil but not bring up Oil.

Classic hatchet.

I... I scum read guillo but like, this reeks of misrepping a statement.

Aren't you my white knight in shiny armor?

How about some scum hunting?

[Guillotina]

Ok, I'm off work. Let's do this.

Oil, Guillo, Flea?

I don't like it. I'm town, Flea is on top of my list and Oil is higher than Firebringer, You, Dunnstral, Sugar Cain and Superbowl in my PoE.

Any other options?

Also, people need to stop using consensus town read as a reason for someone to be town.

Why? What's wrong with a group of players coming to an agreement that a player must be town? Bias? Can't be, we townread Noraa for independent reasons or at least I do.
So what is it? are you threatened by consensus?

[Guillotina]

mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage

This was me coming in with 14 hours left or something and placing down a vote, following bell and also mastina looked to be making stuff up on their read on me

I still don't know why the rest followed onto mastina

Let's ask them.

@Oil @superbowl @Battle Mage

Why did you?

[Guillotina]

Oh lord oil is actually bad live

Why? Give me something other than vague commentary for once.

[Guillotina]

I'm incredibly torn on the oil slot and my read there is bouncing back and forth like a metronome on 208BPM and I want to see the reaction there to this push.

aka wait til Guillo comes back to push me to avoid taking a stance.

Yeah, it's Oil, Guillo, and Flea.

Locked in.

Ha! I had missed this! What the hell is this! I almost begged Gamma to town up and he never did! You had the opportunity to sub in and town up for him and what you did? You tried to push my top reads and paint them as scum painting me as their scum partner and you townread those in my PoE! And now you are saying that I'm pushing you to avoid taking a stance? What stance is that?

I work 12 hour shifts but if I'm not online, leave your posts here. I'll get to them.

[Guillotina]

Why do you keep focusing on my posts like my other posts don't exist? You did that with kookie as well.

What other posts? Why should i not focus on the posts that give me bad vibes? What posts of yours do you recommend focusing on and why?

[Guillotina]

we townread Noraa for independent reasons or at least I do

what are these reasons?

My reasons is that in my experiences with town!noraa, she is not afraid of being confrontational, tunneling and annoying people and displaying joy while doing it. While wolf!noraa she hates randing wolf and that shows in the thread, she is also more selective in what battles to pick. That wolf noraa is not here.

[Guillotina]

Kind of okay with Bell right now.

Still think I'm on the money with Oil, Flea, Guillo. I could be wrong on one of Flea/Guillo, I don't think I'm wrong in both. Flea is skirting around the situation and was fence sitting Oil, and all their posts have been indirectly helping Oil, like the "reads of Finral shift as they have no progression" which is actually factually incorrect because I had my POE 6 earlier, and they haven't really changed. I start to move pieces around in the team, sure, but it almost seems like "he nailed all of us but he's just blowing smoke!"

Guillo is trying hard to discredit my reads rather than try to show me they are town.

Oil speaks for itself with the way they're coming after me. They're the 3 trying to take me down right now. Everyone else is completely just like "what's happening, waaaaah? meh finral could be right. Might as well." and that's townie to me because they really don't know.

The list of players I think are included in that are Firebringer, Battle Mage, Superbowl, and now Bell. I believe all 4 of them to be town for those reasons.

Dunnstral I've explained why I think is town, I actually liked how they were in Day 1 when Mastina was calling them scummy. Mastina had a list of players she thought was scum, Oil, Dunnstral, and someone else, I'll go check in a minute, but I don't believe Mastina wasn't right somewhere. If all her reads were wrong, it wouldn't matter to kill her still because she could just be killed later after she would misfade.

Guillo is pushing a bunch of "hey, go do this for me!" questions, and they're all defending Guillo indirectly. They stuck on my push of Kookie, which I was happy to call Kookie town after a while, I saw they were a consensus town read, and that's why I got pinged there initially, amongst not reading their posts as AI, just personality. After diving into it more, Kookie was townie to me. I read more.

Flea saying my reads have no progression doesn't make sense, because I feel I was pretty clear about going from scumreading Kookie to town reading them, and I like the reasoning of everyone town reading, the people who were actively town reading not passively have scum in them because yes, scum are obviously going to town read Nornor.

Guillo 2157

This seems like you're mad that I replaced into a slot you had setup to be a miselim, and ruined your plans because I'm town reading the players you are trying to keep in the miselim.

Also, I believe I'm only doing this with Superbowl, so I don't understand the exaggeration. Superbowl is in my POE as well, so this is a major overreaction, either alignment. I don't know if it's on purpose, it seems somewhat genuine, but it could be genuine no matter what.

You paint me as discrediting when im just questioning you. You are the one trying to paint me as wolf discrediting my engagement with you. Sort of like if this guy does not agree with my reads, then he must be a wolf.

You keep bringing up kookies into this and accusing me of getting stack on them and your reads about them, but you keep bringing them up and you are trying to build a case around me for this, when you are the initiator and you keep it as your focus to scum read me. I think you came into the thread throwing noodles at the wall and see what sticks but in a very malicious manner, i think you wanted to push kookies but when you saw resistance you backed off and accepted they were town because you know they were town?
I think all these accusations to players in my top list is you trying to sabotage our reads we got from people, stir up chaos! A scum strategy i have used in other games with high success.

Then you say I'm mad because you replaced in as if i got a vendetta or an agenda against your slot. You are grasping at straws here, i scum read you, im not mad! Im excited! Because your behavior matches up with one from a wolf. Bell had said the other day (correct me if im wrong) that Gamma was having a difficult time in life (paraphrasing), so it made me consider that i might be wrong about your slot.

But seeing how you came in trying to stir chaos, accusing me of things you can't possibly know as getting mad for your replacement, trying to call me a wolf for focusing on certain posts of yours while i don't others. Scum reading my town reads and town reading my scum reads, it gives me the feeling i was right all along!

Keep them coming. Off to work

[Guillotina]

Can you talk to me about Oil, Guillo?

Oil's been the main slot I've been talking about, and you really haven't brought them up at all, and instead focusing on the slot I've already started to town read anyways.

I ignore my town reads not in the way that if they interact with me i ignore them no, but if they give townie vibes i leave them alone.
I'm feeling good about Oil. The way i go about things is that i push the red flags, they haven't raised one for me yet. It helps him that my scum reads are trying to push him too.
If they are scum, i don't think it's me who is gonna figure it out anyway.

[Guillotina]

Then you say I'm mad because you replaced in as if i got a vendetta or an agenda against your slot.

I'm not saying you're like going "DAMN CURSE EVERYTHING LIFE IS OVER SCREW FINRAL" mad, it's more of a "well, that sucks"

Nah, it sucks for you cause i think you subbed in to a wolf slot that was already getting scum read.

[Guillotina]

Flea versus Guillo is alright with me.

-Noraa

Kookies, why is Flea ok with you? I understand why I'm your selection although i disagree with it but you two have been covering each other backs since early Day 1 like a good pair of masons. What has changed?

I am obvtown but why would my opinion be important here? It wasn't important when I was fucking PRESENT AND ACTIVE. Now that I'm literally dead on the inside for this game, y'all decide to not brush away what I say?

God my luck is just always shit.

-Noraa

When you are finally getting it your way, you question why. Sort of like this is too good to be true.

I town read you even more now.

[Guillotina]

Who's the scum?

Guillotina and sugar cain.

-Noraa

I could see this Noridory.

Oil/Guillo has been my main push for a while now. I have a lingering feeling Guillo could just be town, but that might just be guilt for the possibility because I don't want to misfade.

I think Oil is pretty lock scum here.

Could be? I am town!

Not misfading me is highly appreciated. Thank you! So touching!

I completely became a focal point of the game, exactly what I intended. I became a black hole and moved the momentum around in the game so I could see where stances would take which helped me since I wasn't here for the majority of the game, and now, I've found scum on the replace in.

and honestly, I'm in a lot of pain and spent most of the last couple days just staring into the void otherwise I'd be bapping more people.

And I'm like your last defense at living, to be honest.

If I say go Flea, this day phase is over.

Wow someone really thinks big of themselves

I dare you.

I know big of myself

Hmmm... your personality reminds me of someone i played with in L230, he was so arrogant that i thought it was just a persona, just like my “God of Mafia” persona. I tend to townread people like you for the simple fact that you are not afraid of looking scummy.

Sucks you are still pushing my top reads and you are yet to show substantial indication you could be town. I expect and demand more!

[Guillotina]

Oil, Sugar Cain, Flea, Guillo, maybe Superbowl.

Contain all scum. Bell, Dunnstral, battle mage are town on the Mastina wagon.

I like this! Remove me and Oil from that scum read and I can see us agreeing to something.

Dunnstral has been underperforming this game in my opinion, why do you town read that slot?

[Guillotina]

Combatants

Battle Mage (1): Dunnstral
Oil Tycoons (1):

Titus

Superbowl9 (2): Guillotina,

mastina

Firebringer (1): Oil Tycoons
kookiemonster (1): MOD VOTE
Flea The Magician (4): Bell, Firebringer,

Gamma Emerald,

Battle Mage

Guillotina (4): superbowl9, Kookiemonster, Flea The Magician, Sugar Cain

If Flea is scum,

Oil is chainsawing Firebringer here

. If Flea is town, Bell is scum here.

Superbowl being town highly would indicate Guillotina being scum

, and vice verse.

Combatants

Battle Mage (1): Dunnstral
Oil Tycoons (1): Battle Mage

Gamma Emerald (4):

Oil Tycoons,

Titus

, Guillotina, Flea The Magician
Superbowl9 (2):

mastina

kookiemonster (1): MOD VOTE
Flea The Magician (3): Bell, Firebringer,

Gamma Emerald

Guillotina (2): superbowl9, Sugar Cain

Not Voting (0): Kookiemonster

Oil, Guillo, Flea 100% have scum in them, alongside one on Flea or Guillo.

Honestly, I am starting to think Flea is town here, and Firebringer/Flea is TvT.

This would mean the team is either Oil, Bell, Guillo or if that's not exactly the solve,

Sugarcain takes the spot somewhere in there

.

Bolds

1) What is chainsawing in this case?

2) Now we are talking.

3) Did you scum read us at this point just for having votes on your predecessor? If so, would you have town read gamma if you had not replaced gamma?

4) I had my suspicions about Sugar Cain but im not so convinced anymore. If you looked into my ISO you'll see why i suspected the slot, but they catching you misrepping my post to paint me as a wolf when a wolf would ignore it to see my head rolling is a good indicative that he could be town, unless you both are wolves and SB and you are playing some high level WIFOM. i'm aware that he could be trying to pocket me, but i think wolf!nero would rather see my head rolling than efforting to pocket me, i took it negatively back then but i see it slightly better with a non tunneling mind.

[Guillotina]

@Firebringer - Let's case Oil some more. What are your main reasons for scum reading Oil?

Poor solving
Bad interactions
Angle pushing don’t seem genuine

Care to provide examples of each of those points please?

[Guillotina]

I always get misfaded as town now. Scum are afraid of me, and townies are afraid of being fooled by me. The way the world works. :shrug:

I remember when I went years without being misfaded or losing scum games. Those days will never be again.

I take it you are one of the seniors here then? I knew you had to be an alt.

Are you by any chance Pretentious? You are probably not i never saw him ever again since that game, but wanna know anyways.

[Guillotina]

Yeah, the majority of the managers I've had in real life even have let me do whatever I want, even in like corporations. I'm not really manageable, I'm more of the leader type trying to hype up and form an all star team synergy.

And if I don't have the urge to lead, I become like how I have been for the past few months; dry, washed up, and way too on the money.

Never mind

[Guillotina]

See flavor we think exactly alike

Im off for the night.

[Guillotina]

I always get misfaded as town now. Scum are afraid of me, and townies are afraid of being fooled by me. The way the world works. :shrug:

I remember when I went years without being misfaded or losing scum games. Those days will never be again.

I take it you are one of the seniors here then? I knew you had to be an alt.

Are you by any chance Pretentious? You are probably not i never saw him ever again since that game, but wanna know anyways.

Yeah, I'm also Pretentious.

Yaah your play here reminds me of your play there minus the FPSing. We almost ruined that game for town.

(OOC: When i made your analysis in that game and the result was town, i meant it but i second guessed and tinfoiled myself into chopping you instead, i feel i was very offensive, humiliating even when i convinced myself you were a wolf regardless of my own analysis and called you out on it. I apologize for that, i didnt want to make you feel “rough” about it. I made many mistakes in that game which i apologized for but i needed to get it out of my chest now that I know Pretentious is you).

3) Did you scum read us at this point just for having votes on your predecessor? If so, would you have town read gamma if you had not replaced gamma?

No, I always scum read Gamma when he's town.

Why do you?

Sucks you are still pushing my top reads and you are yet to show substantial indication you could be town. I expect and demand more!

well, you're like one of three that don't town read me, so I'm not really worried about giving you more indication.

If anything, that's your job to give me indication you are town, which you have been doing, and it isn't going unnoticed.

Cold but feels honest.

Stop doing this.

There's no reason to be mean to one another.

If I feel like he's gonna try to be extremely mean to me just like in that game, I'm gonna fucking stand up for myself. He has no right doing the shit that he does to me. It is rude and offensive as hell.

-Noraa

Like I've been essentially ignoring you, like get over it. Every single time you give something to me, I will just Magic Cylinder that shit right back at you with a +3, but the difference is I have a 7 year track record of game solves and scum wins where I know anything playstyle wise you push at me has already been said. You still are incapable of playing a game without letting it effect your game.

If anything, you're playing anti wincon now.

So like, Noraa, I literally don't care what you say, it really means absolutely nothing to me.

I see you are not the only player that Noraa annoys. I put her on ignore and only reply to her posts that would contribute to game solving.

You're really not, thats the thing... and it annoys me.

Then why are you scum reading me?

*sunglasses at 9 pm*

Because I'm pretty sure you're scum.

Why, what makes you so sure that Bell is scum, details!

[Guillotina]

That is why if i dont remember the pronouns when im in the text editor, i just use their names.

[Guillotina]

@Guillotina

thing is bell while I am sure you're scum, my reasons are horrendous and I'm aware of that.

You've given me no reason to change that read either.

I'm also not pushing you, and don't want you in the arena today.

So ya know, either do something to help me shift my read on you, or just happy that I'd rather have the other 3 in.

What horrendous reasons are those Flea?

[Guillotina]

Sorry, when I say we,
I mean everybody but me.

And me.

So they didn't throw our game but they scum sided, they decided to block Mastina's chances of survival, rendering titus sacrifice to clear her useless as well. It's the same as claiming scum in my opinion.

[Guillotina]

Oil, ur actions speak as though ur scum siding.

also u decided to use ur ability that negatively impacts town the most when we had an IC? Why?

Had to use it eventually in order to win. Figured that getting it out of the way early was the best bet - expected there to be more significant power other than an IC hanging around.

Ok so you are saying that when we had some clarity after a long contested day 1, you guys decided it was better to roleblock all of us? You guys didnt think, “oh crap, mastina would die if we blocked someone trying to protect a locked town clear?” Really?

Nah, you guys chose to survive with scum back then and now that you guys are nominated, you are trying to get in our good graces by coming clean, you should have come clean before getting nominated! Nah! You made your casket now lay in it.

[Guillotina]

This really wasn't the play to get in our good graces.
It really isn't the play from any alignment or role except jester really.
it's confusing.

Town gone get mad at 3p for killing mastina who would have been helpful.
Scum ain't standing up for 3p.
If they're scum, it doesn't alter their fate to claim 3p.

I'm sorry Bell, what is the point you are trying to make here? No we are clear?

[Guillotina]

So we are clear**

[Guillotina]

I'm trying to understand why they would claim this as any alignment under the sun.
I guess it's a question to ask them post game if they wouldn't mind.

TBF, their play perfectly enapsulates third party survivor in that they tried (and I don't really know if I agree with this approach but whatever) to appear slightly scummy, but not TOO scummy.

Syrana and Naho an town it up if they want to.
Like I said they could have shed their own wagon earlier but they didn't.
It would make sense for them not too town it up too hard, while not scumming it up too hard as survivor.


I guess I'm evaluating whether their claim is true and what that means.

I guess the scum team get another day? and nk if we eliminate them.

In other words you are saying that they tried to get null read? Enough not to get yeeted and enough not to get night killed?

If the claim is true, do you think they deserve a second chance? can we trust them? they can win with either party so they will serve whoever is more beneficial to them. If we are in danger of losing, they will aid scum once again to grab a comfortable win. You get what I'm saying?

[Guillotina]

I do get what you're saying.
But I also know we lose ground if they're a 3p because then scum then get to nk essentially for free this day phase.
without losing one of their own.

I think that making some kind of bargain with them if they're third party is a good idea.
But there's no way for us to make them keep their word. So you are correct.

It's up to them to come to the table to make an agreeable arrangement in my opinion.

What sort of agreement would be acceptable for you? Say they come to the table with a blank document, what would you write on it?

[Guillotina]

Pretty much they're not getting out of this phase without cooperating with the town.
But the second they survive, they have no obligation to help us.
Except by telling them if they don't send the ability enhanceer to a pool of the towniest players, we would eliminate them next day phase.

But if we followed through with that we might as well have eliminated them early.

Likewise, there is no benefit for a protective role to help them.
So they are both constrained by us and the scum team's mercy.
Unless they have a bullet proof jacket, which, honestly they might I can't remember if they did in the anime.

I think the positive report enhances all actives, i dont think they have a say in the matter about what actives are enhanced, so if i were to make them agree on something, i'd be to only use that ability late game, when we have killed a wolf or two? The problem is trusting, the problem is that once you break my trust, you don't get it back. I'm very “fool me once it's on you fool me twice it's on me” kind of guy. I tunnel hard and I see myself being paranoid about every move they make and every post they post, i would not stop seeing them as an enemy waiting for the right moment to stab us in the back again.

I know they don't belong our faction but i feel betrayed and well, there is also something i've always believed and is that anyone that is mot town, is scum.

[Guillotina]

The more i think about it, the less a like Bell and Flea's willingness to keep Oil alive, or anyone advocating for giving them a second chance for that matter! They are a 3rd party that have acted anti-town.

The whole strat about letting them use their powers to prove themselves is flawed.

1)We don't know what “enhancing” entails (does it duplicate the targets, does it give more shots etc) and we don't know what powers do scum have, being ok with enhancing everyone's powers when the wolves could have extra killing powers besides the factional is a bad idea.
2) They can say they used it when they didnt, hinting a possible roleblock or jailkeep that we can't prove.
3) There is no way to prove that's all the abilities they got that could affect town.

Other reasons to not keep them alive

1) They roleblocked the entire player list after Mastina got confirmed town.
2) They tried to a frame player for it which is scummy as hell.

Finral makes a good point about Flea backing down on using their power when it's Oil on the line.

VOTE: Flea what if Oil are not 3p but scum? Which in opinion are essentially the same thing.

[Guillotina]

You're genuinely frustrating me.

Oil is a Survivor, oil needs to keep me happy to live. because like balls am I targetting them with my protection tonight. If they want to ensure their survival, they will use their positive power.

If Oil does not, one of us dies. Scums best shot, is oil or me.

Without me, Oil cannot survive.

Oils hand is forced. As is mine.

Let's pretend in fucking fantasy land that you're town for one moment.

1. Why do you believe apparently 100% Oil's claim? They just admitted to killing our IC.

They admitted INDIRECT INVOLVEMENT and gave reason for roleblocking everyone, get the worst one out of the way sooner rather than later.

2.

Why are you afraid of dying whatsoever? You will get copped by bell and show up green, so you are in no danger of being limmed. You will be in no danger of dying during the night since you can self-protect.

Self protecting REMOVES ME FROM THE GAME. I can't just vanish for one night, I have to vanish for multiple phases.

Clearly you want to avoid the arena, which should IC you if you're town and show us whether Oil is required to scumside. Thus you are not town.

Yes, and I wanted to as soon as I saw oils claim because I know I can prevent all NKs tonight. Oil is survivor and I'm their best damn shot at surviving.
Without me, they, cannot, win.

Your logic in your post is also once again wrong. If Oil uses the town-sided action, why would they then turn into scum's best target as a claimed 3P vanilla over an OP protective????? If Oil doesn't use the town-sided action (which they fucking won't because WHY WOULD THEY IT DOESNT HELP THEIR WINCON), scum still does not kill them because the same logic will keep on applying (much less over a god-doc). OR, scum could just shoot the claimed fucking investigative and avoid this shit altogether. This is literally moonlogic that you keep repeating

I don't go in the arena, you do. We Elim you.
I protect Bell.
Oil uses Positive report.
-Nobody dies.
Oil decides "nah fuck this".
-Me or Oil die.

Oil is now fucked. Bell can still investigate someone else, or 2 people if you're ballsy enough.

Ok, I hate to admit it but I agree with SB here.

This sounds too good to be true. If you are what you claim to be, why did you out yourself for trying to save a god damn 3P who

SCUMSIDED and aided scum to kill Mastina!!?

If you are are our protective, you threw our game to save a 3P! Instead of keeping it to yourself

to protect us,

town!

This is ridiculous! You are either throwing the game or your claim is fake and you are trying to bail a partner out! which means that oil is most likely not a 3p after all, he is your scum buddy! Because 3P Survivors are never partnered (as far as I know).

Self hammer, go into the arena and get checked by bell or you both get the axe!

I will never consider giving Oil another chance after this, this is way too fishy!

[Guillotina]

Once again, for the childred present...

We moonshot todays elimination in Sb or Guill.

Oil is forced to use their positive power tonight, I protect Bell.
We keep our investigative.
Scum shoots me, or oil, or bell.
Bell shot is denied regardless.
I die - or - oil dies - or - NOBODY DIES.

this confirms me and oil at this point.

We play from there.

You are delusional.

I will tell you what i think happened.

Oil got nominated and you realized how bad it looked for you, so you offered yourselves to go into the arena with a promise of a double elimination to make us think that you had to be town if you were willing to sacrifice your life to solve oil and yourselves.

When you saw that we actually took your word for it, you realized the magnitude of your mistake and tried to backtrack from it claiming an unbelievable protective set of abilities so we saved you, while bargaining on your alleged power to try to save Oil as well.

What you didn't have into account is that bell would claim to have an ability to confirm you both.

Your case is the typical case of WIFOM gone wrong.

Flea just get checked and clear our doubts. You already outed your super doc role to save a 3p. We must need to know if you were that game throwing or if you are actually scum.

I will be really disappointed if you are town and claimed your real role to save a 3P here.

I will promise you this though, if you are town i will be the first in line to chop SB's head because he's gone out of his way to push you into the arena when he's been non existent the entire game until now. But if you are wolf i will have to re-evaluate because his push would look great.

I'm off for the night. Family is getting too jealous i spend too much time playing mafia than with them and they are right.

[Guillotina]

Once again, for the childred present...

We moonshot todays elimination in Sb or Guill.

Oil is forced to use their positive power tonight, I protect Bell.
We keep our investigative.
Scum shoots me, or oil, or bell.
Bell shot is denied regardless.
I die - or - oil dies - or - NOBODY DIES.

this confirms me and oil at this point.

We play from there.

You are delusional.

I will tell you what i think happened.

Oil got nominated and you realized how bad it looked for you, so you offered yourselves to go into the arena with a promise of a double elimination to make us think that you had to be town if you were willing to sacrifice your life to solve oil and yourselves.

When you saw that we actually took your word for it, you realized the magnitude of your mistake and tried to backtrack from it claiming an unbelievable protective set of abilities so we saved you, while bargaining on your alleged power to try to save Oil as well.

What you didn't have into account is that bell would claim to have an ability to confirm you both.

Your case is the typical case of WIFOM gone wrong.

Flea just get checked and clear our doubts. You already outed your super doc role to save a 3p. We must need to know if you were that game throwing or if you are actually scum.

I will be really disappointed if you are town and claimed your real role to save a 3P here.

I will promise you this though, if you are town i will be the first in line to chop SB's head because he's gone out of his way to push you into the arena when he's been non existent the entire game until now. But if you are wolf i will have to re-evaluate because his push would look great.

I'm off for the night. Family is getting too jealous i spend too much time playing mafia than with them and they are right.

This argument is fine imo.

It's not the best if Flea's town.
But it will do.

VOTE: Flea

Sorry for putting you in this position of if you're town flea. You can push on people for reading you wrong all day once I clear you.

I would advise actually going for guilotine if you're town

. btw. They use too many exclamation marks.

Which is the scummiest scum tell.

Stick to the plan.

Sb comes off as genuine fmpov.
opps if wrong.

Wtf?!! My use of exclamations marks is NAI, it's my writing style!!!! It's how i tell everyone how mad or frustrated i'm feeling!! How the hell is that a scum tell?!!! Huh?

What are we waiting for?

@unwind will you post a vote count please?

[Guillotina]

I know they don't belong our faction but i feel betrayed and well, there is also something i've always believed and is that anyone that is mot town, is scum.

1) Can't have your cake and eat it too.

If you are one of the ones that believe that 3P = scum, why worry about whether we've scumsided or not? There's no way for 3P to townside, according to you - just means that we're scum.

2) Kind of starting to trend on Guillotina town on this rampage wall here.

I felt betrayed because i town read you guys and it sucks to be wrong. I felt betrayed because you made it easy for wolves to kill the person who was townreading me and could help others figure out why i am town as well, titus was the other player who town read me and she suicided to mod clear Mastina, oh and BattleMage. I felt vulnerable being in the middle of players deathtunneling me and the wolves. I had assumed it was a scum ability and made my peace with it and to find out it was you guys, as survivor 3p... yah.

I don't hold your decision against you as part of playing to YOUR wincon, but by doing so, you played AGAINST ours and favored scum's wincon. I think it was a bad decision if you guys are 3p, we outnumber the wolves and if you guys sided with us, we could have used your power of roleblocking when we had built a consensus read on who the wolves might be and hurt them when they were the most vulnerable.

It was a great play if you guys are scum, because you knew Mastina was never gonna get yeeted and she was most likely gonna get protected last night, allowing her to become our town leader today and aggressively and steadily hunt you down.

If i let you live and you screw me over again i am the sucker playing against my wincon. This is why i won't negotiate with you and you'll get the axe from me, unless Flea flips exactly scum and you exactly 3P, i will flip Flea first and if you both are scum well, you go first because there is no way your other ability is positive for town.

Also I'm unmoved on whether you townread me or you scumread me, you are just walking corpses to me.

Back to work

[Guillotina]

HURT: Oil

[Guillotina]

Hi here's the timeline:

Day 1 Titus desperado's Mastina; Titus dies, Mastina is confirmed town

End of Day 1 all passive abilities the following night are disabled (this was the work of the third party survivor who is now elimated). Mastina dies.

Day 2, Flea claims an explosion ability, Bell claims a daycop ability (?). Bell supposedly checks Flea and gets an inno, Flea then retracts the claim right before Fire swoops in and hammers and we canno longer discuss it.

Night 2, it looks like Flea was protected with a weird ability. Finral dies, and was being pushed by certain people. No flip but it can be assumed he was town; flea isn't dead, check first post

Flea was not protected by a weird ability, Fae used their time jumping ability i think, the one fae claim. So, was flea town or what?
What happened to Finral? Did he just vanish?