DBZ: Cell Games [Over]

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Hello. I'll catch up soon, saw this in sign ups, and didn't have the energy to join, but replacing in seemed fun.

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Is there a harm in claiming then?

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Cuz check out my wolf fang fist, I'm vanilla.

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Just like my wolf fang fist

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mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage

I'm going to start here considering I just did a quick skim, and none of these were in the 5 that I got any town pings from with the exception of maybe Battle Mage, but haven't read enough to consider my full thoughts there.

I saw the Titus shot, I don't necessarily think that was the best usage of it if you town read Mastina and liked their reads, it put a bullet to them. It could have put a bullet to a more inactive null slot, but I guess Mastina dying means the conf town + reads was always going to be enough to kill here, so this mixed in with Mastina's reads are likely somewhat correct. It was the beginning, so I believe that Mastina wasn't fully correct, but I feel she was on the right path.

Good comment by Sugar Cain. Bell is also someone I'm leaning scum on here within the 12 ish pages I've read. I'll keep doing my catchup, and let you guys know what I think later.

Fair warning, I'm not 100% understanding the mechanics, when I try to read it, it goes right over my head, ha. I imagine eventually it'll all just click, and I'll be like, got it. hoo ha.

Okay, I take back what I said about the Titus shot, I guess. It's a mechanics thing, I was looking at it from face value.


First comment I read by Oil - I saw Dunnstral was being pushed by Mastina, that's interesting. I thought that I would probably agree, but going further back, I actually specifically think Dunnstral is town, and I think this could be indicative of OilScum who saw that Dunnstral was townie, and decided to take that side of the fight. First real scum read.

Oil

.

BATTLE MAGE. Finral is a support mage who assists literal Battlemages in fights. Mixed in with this post by Battle Mage, I am soul reading BM as town here. This fits in exactly how I believe Battle Mage town would act here. While I don't like the pronoun comment, I think the slot itself is town.

For what it's worth, I do town read Flea as well. I liked the way they interacted with me on my replace in, and from reading backwards, I am slightly town reading them.

I kind of also want to say "obviously, Super Bowl is scum", but I'm actually not confident in that read. I think it

makes sense

for them to be scum based on their positioning in the game during the Mastina wagon alongside not necessarily agreeing with their pushes, however, I feel there's a chance they are town. I will look more into this. Note that I do want to say they are scum, but I know that could be wrong.


I generally want to town read Firebringer, but there's something about the way they're talking with Bell that makes me get associative pings from them. I'll go into this later on, unless I see more, but I've felt it a couple times. I was thinking originally FB/Mastina fight was just personal, and I believe it is personal, but I don't think that means they're necessarily the same alignment. There are certain things FB has done that I feel has appeared townie rather than is townie, like the revoting of Flea, which I don't think is at all impossible as scum. I don't think I would push here first today, though, never before pushing Bell either.

Guillo vs FB is interesting. I can see it being TvS. This is a note to myself to look deeper into both these slots. I've been indifferent with Guillo thus far.


OOoooooh. Another Oil post I don't like here Flea makes a comment, then Oil makes a comment moving from the current topic. Either way, I think this is Oil who likes the town push of Flea to Noraa as Noraa's partner, or Oil who dislikes the town push from Flea to Noraa, and wants to change subjects, and offer alternatives.

I'm most likely doing whatever the voting equivalent is to Oil because I believe they are scum here.

Would someone walk me through the phases/mechanics of this game?

I need it in a way where I don't space out while reading it.

Parts of me think Kookiemonster/Guillo is fake, but I'll put a tinfoil hat on this one.

this. Everything Oil does is like "do this for me, push here for me." they're staying out of the spotlight, but actively effecting the game with posts like these.

If I had to take a shot in the dark guess of where I'm feeling right now, it would be

Oil, Kookiemonster, Firebringer

as the scum team. Guillo, Bell, and Superbowl are the 3 I want to look into more, and could probably replace into that likely incorrect full solve.

I don't think Oil is town here ever, though.

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mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage

Bell, Oil, Super probably have 2 scum in them. This would mean my solve in my last post needs to be replaced with one of my outliers.

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kookie monster is just not scum.

Nice attempt there.

Good analysis incorrect conclusions. I willl townread u.

Well, then that likely makes you scum then, no?

I think I'm going to trust my read over yours here for now.

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As the official scum ambassador

This is exactly why I would believe you in that sense, and could see you doing this exact line of push as scum with townKookie.

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Explain why you think kookie is town based on posts that aren't just personality because I believe they're the type to get town read because of posts that are really just NAI.

As are you.

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btw i like ur avatar where is it from?

Black Clover. Starts off seeming like it's not going to be good, but it really turns into something special. It's shounen, and I know not everybody likes that, though.

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Your read on Flea is bad and we are laughing at u in the PT.

Why? I just replaced into the game.

You have no reason to even think I won't immediately switch reads, Firebringer. Ruff ruff.

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Yeah, I could be dead wrong.

Maybe it's Flea, Bell, and Guillo.

I think I'm going to let Superbowl pocket me if they are scum because something there is poking at me to just accept that they're town and go from there despite my common sense wanting to push them as scum.

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Your read on Flea is bad and we are laughing at u in the PT.

Why? I just replaced into the game.

You have no reason to even think I won't immediately switch reads, Firebringer. Ruff ruff.

I just don't like people reading Flea as town. Means I got to do more work on my bussing to get the towncred on their flip.

Why is your read more accurate than someone town reading them? Why aren't you the one in the position to have the inverse reads?

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No, I think Bell is town too.

I'm not expecting to have a full solve right now. I'm trying to get a lay of the land.

This is helping. I don't know if I should trust your reads or not, but it is helping.

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I don't think bell would point out something his scum team did (in other words the whole post about cancelling actions that was used to frame me).

That's fair.

When I start interacting with players, my reads will update.

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I personally think I have a strong Flea read.

Even if it's wrong, it won't stay wrong forever if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, I think it'll stay correct.

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Why is your read more accurate than someone town reading them? Why aren't you the one in the position to have the inverse reads?

I think i am more right than others given i think i see their actions better understood for what they are then everyone else.

Everyone townreading Flea hasn't given me good reason to doubt it.

but is that indicative of ScumFlea or scum knowing Flea is town but can't explain why, they're doing it for survival reasons?

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Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

and trust me I've wiped out enough Cell Jr's.

I'm locked on my BM vote for the time being but I can get with BM vs SB.

I'm warm for a BM vote if firebringer shows me something good. He seems a hell of a lot more measured than what I'm used to from Battle town.

I could see Flea/Oil.

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Sorry about that. You are a good fae.

OK gloves off, persona off, lets go raw.

Provide evidence of me using AtE to guilt people off voting for me.

My account of what your case is, is exactly that. My account. You haven't provided much else that I've seen and others have also commented as such.

My own behavior is my own behavior. While people see fluff and nonsense, I post my thoughts as I go. I'm here to have fun as well as socialise.

Yes, other players do have experience with me, and they're welcome to vote me and form opinions on my play style as they like. I will prod and poke back as appropriate. As far as today is concerned, you're my elimination of choice.

This isn't scum in any sort of world.

Spoiler:

VOTE: flea

no point self-voting really, we get 2 votes

Noraa, for the record, this is why I hate being town. Because as town you can see people posting obvious postures like the above and you can jump up and down but no one listens to you.

Or worse yet people can post stuff like this and still be town??? But the condescending way that battle Mage is treating me currently is just not the approach he takes as town in any worlds at all

Because the other head comes along and decides to interact with the same post, but this one is kinda looking busy.

Bell has been in most of my games since I've been back, approximately 3. In all of those games, Bell was an easy early townread for most people. In this game, one of his first posts is him talking about how he doesn't really get town until a couple scumflips occur, which flies in the face of my experience with him.

This seems TMI-ish maybe? Why would this even be a consideration? It's creating an elimination pool and forcing a 1vs1 between two fighters.

If I create a game with a central mechanic it makes sense for me to include roles that can interact with that mechanic. Those were a couple things that I thought might be possible.

This seems off. Literally yeeting a vote at someone for the sake of yeeting a vote. RVS was undone prematurely IMO and this is terrible. There's just a vote, a null reason and nothing to follow it up?

For a hydra dated 2013 I'd expect some sort of prodding or poking more than the idle vote drop.

I vote people based off gut fairly regularly, and don't think it's an unreasonable approach on page 4. I'd rather be voting someone for thin reasons rather than no reasons at all, hence why I transitioned from RVS to firebringer.

On what exactly?

...clued me in to me being scum.
Because I like being scum but I'm not behaving as if I was scum.
Get it?

Why is that

I like bread and threatened scum.

???

This isn't how this interaction typically turns out.

Interaction is interaction though, what's bad here?

I didn't understand that Titus was crumbing something here, for one.
For two, I wasn't criticizing Titus's interaction with me, I was pointing out that

usually

scum!Nacho got away with mislynching town!Titus which ran contrary to what she pointed out here.

Surely that someone who should be capable of soulreading you isn't even to tell its you would tell you that your game is off?

If someone knows me well enough to meta read me, my expectation would be that they understand my style well enough to figure out when I'm posting - a couple mistakes here and there are understandable, but not seeing me in like 8 posts or whatever is not.

OK this was my first "Hmmmm...." moment. This reminds me of Titus in Death Curse. We've had almost no interaction and both this and the previous one look like attempts to get on the same side. We can also assume the drunk posting was starting here.

Why do you think that it's more likely that I'm scum saddling up to you as opposed to town who also found Battle Mage scummy?
What do you think my approaches to you would look like as town vs scum?

Why is you getting wagonned good for me as scum?

Especially as this seems out of place, I don't even know what this is in reply to

That was part of an ongoing conversation I was having with Titus.

Why not flea?

Not very likely I follow BM's top scumread when I had a significant scumread on him at that point.

BM being a sassyass aside, why not say this intitially?

I usually don't have to. I asked Bell what his read on you was and I expect in response that he'll probably just elaborate instead of brush me aside because he actually believes in his read and isn't pushing it for an agenda alone.

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

go back and read my posts

I was hoping you could make up something better if I asked you a second time.

Your first attempt seemed like something you were reading off a teleprompter.

that sounds like some real bad faith shit

"i was hoping you could make up something"

yeah, you and Flea can contest it today.

Yes the post is tinged with a bit of liquid courage but pretty sure the point I'm making doesn't need to be spelled out.

BM: You're acting in bad faith!
OT: I'm fissed as a part!

Good answer.

I asked BM to elaborate on his read of you twice. The first time, he told me to read his posts instead of attempting to explain his read on you. The second time, he picked up on the aggressive tone of posting (which likely wouldn't have been *as* aggressive if I wasn't drinking) and dismissed it again.

But you've expressed nothing on me aside from I'm a good fae.

The "good fae" thoughts bubbled up more firmly after your #372 - Battle Mage badgering you to a bit of a breaking point seemed like a pretty genuine progression to me. I didn't expect this would be a breaking point for you if you were scum since Battle Mage's push on you wasn't really gaining a lot of traction/wasn't a post with a bit of substance. I also didn't really expect Battle Mage's first significant move as scum would be pushing his partner, especially when his push read as much like forcing a square peg into a round hole as it did.

Maybe, but it is the posting of someone prodding a potential hole or contradiction they've found.

He's prodding at potential holes and contradictions, sure. But contradictions don't make people more likely to be scum, and Battle Mage knows this.

Some of the posts between Oil/Flea. I'm essentially quoting all of them here for the first half of their ISO. That spoiler is one post.

Yeah, I could see Oil/Flea, but like I can see OilScum TownFlea here, but not the reverse.

Honestly, Oil is obvious scum, and I don't know why there isn't more pressure there.

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Sorry about that. You are a good fae.

OK gloves off, persona off, lets go raw.

Provide evidence of me using AtE to guilt people off voting for me.

My account of what your case is, is exactly that. My account. You haven't provided much else that I've seen and others have also commented as such.

My own behavior is my own behavior. While people see fluff and nonsense, I post my thoughts as I go. I'm here to have fun as well as socialise.

Yes, other players do have experience with me, and they're welcome to vote me and form opinions on my play style as they like. I will prod and poke back as appropriate. As far as today is concerned, you're my elimination of choice.

This isn't scum in any sort of world.

Spoiler:

VOTE: flea

no point self-voting really, we get 2 votes

Noraa, for the record, this is why I hate being town. Because as town you can see people posting obvious postures like the above and you can jump up and down but no one listens to you.

Or worse yet people can post stuff like this and still be town??? But the condescending way that battle Mage is treating me currently is just not the approach he takes as town in any worlds at all

Because the other head comes along and decides to interact with the same post, but this one is kinda looking busy.

Bell has been in most of my games since I've been back, approximately 3. In all of those games, Bell was an easy early townread for most people. In this game, one of his first posts is him talking about how he doesn't really get town until a couple scumflips occur, which flies in the face of my experience with him.

This seems TMI-ish maybe? Why would this even be a consideration? It's creating an elimination pool and forcing a 1vs1 between two fighters.

If I create a game with a central mechanic it makes sense for me to include roles that can interact with that mechanic. Those were a couple things that I thought might be possible.

This seems off. Literally yeeting a vote at someone for the sake of yeeting a vote. RVS was undone prematurely IMO and this is terrible. There's just a vote, a null reason and nothing to follow it up?

For a hydra dated 2013 I'd expect some sort of prodding or poking more than the idle vote drop.

I vote people based off gut fairly regularly, and don't think it's an unreasonable approach on page 4. I'd rather be voting someone for thin reasons rather than no reasons at all, hence why I transitioned from RVS to firebringer.

On what exactly?

...clued me in to me being scum.
Because I like being scum but I'm not behaving as if I was scum.
Get it?

Why is that

I like bread and threatened scum.

???

This isn't how this interaction typically turns out.

Interaction is interaction though, what's bad here?

I didn't understand that Titus was crumbing something here, for one.
For two, I wasn't criticizing Titus's interaction with me, I was pointing out that

usually

scum!Nacho got away with mislynching town!Titus which ran contrary to what she pointed out here.

Surely that someone who should be capable of soulreading you isn't even to tell its you would tell you that your game is off?

If someone knows me well enough to meta read me, my expectation would be that they understand my style well enough to figure out when I'm posting - a couple mistakes here and there are understandable, but not seeing me in like 8 posts or whatever is not.

OK this was my first "Hmmmm...." moment. This reminds me of Titus in Death Curse. We've had almost no interaction and both this and the previous one look like attempts to get on the same side. We can also assume the drunk posting was starting here.

Why do you think that it's more likely that I'm scum saddling up to you as opposed to town who also found Battle Mage scummy?
What do you think my approaches to you would look like as town vs scum?

Why is you getting wagonned good for me as scum?

Especially as this seems out of place, I don't even know what this is in reply to

That was part of an ongoing conversation I was having with Titus.

Why not flea?

Not very likely I follow BM's top scumread when I had a significant scumread on him at that point.

BM being a sassyass aside, why not say this intitially?

I usually don't have to. I asked Bell what his read on you was and I expect in response that he'll probably just elaborate instead of brush me aside because he actually believes in his read and isn't pushing it for an agenda alone.

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

go back and read my posts

I was hoping you could make up something better if I asked you a second time.

Your first attempt seemed like something you were reading off a teleprompter.

that sounds like some real bad faith shit

"i was hoping you could make up something"

yeah, you and Flea can contest it today.

Yes the post is tinged with a bit of liquid courage but pretty sure the point I'm making doesn't need to be spelled out.

BM: You're acting in bad faith!
OT: I'm fissed as a part!

Good answer.

I asked BM to elaborate on his read of you twice. The first time, he told me to read his posts instead of attempting to explain his read on you. The second time, he picked up on the aggressive tone of posting (which likely wouldn't have been *as* aggressive if I wasn't drinking) and dismissed it again.

But you've expressed nothing on me aside from I'm a good fae.

The "good fae" thoughts bubbled up more firmly after your #372 - Battle Mage badgering you to a bit of a breaking point seemed like a pretty genuine progression to me. I didn't expect this would be a breaking point for you if you were scum since Battle Mage's push on you wasn't really gaining a lot of traction/wasn't a post with a bit of substance. I also didn't really expect Battle Mage's first significant move as scum would be pushing his partner, especially when his push read as much like forcing a square peg into a round hole as it did.

Maybe, but it is the posting of someone prodding a potential hole or contradiction they've found.

He's prodding at potential holes and contradictions, sure. But contradictions don't make people more likely to be scum, and Battle Mage knows this.

Some of the posts between Oil/Flea. I'm essentially quoting all of them here for the first half of their ISO. That spoiler is one post.

Yeah, I could see Oil/Flea, but like I can see OilScum TownFlea here, but not the reverse.

Honestly, Oil is obvious scum, and I don't know why there isn't more pressure there.

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so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

VOTE: Oil

Battle Mage, sheep me with your town ass.

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so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

Don't make me have you help me push a mass claim.

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Noraa - certainly talks a lot. Not AI for her. Seemed happy at the start of the early game, not sure if she can fake that as scum now. Didn't like the doublevoting thing. Reminds me of Death Scroll fuckery.

dude, firebringer...it's like completely Oil/Noraa here. Noraa's just literally been playing you lot here.

Maybe I'm tunneling there, and accept that I am aware I might tunnel her.

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so Gamma was scum after all. damn WP.

VOTE: Finral

not a credible town open.

I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.

VOTE: Oil

Battle Mage, sheep me with your town ass.

ok I'll help you bus Oil, but you're tomorrow.

Down, but I have a mean wolf fang fist.

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[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12473247]SUPER-POSTING (SPECIAL MECHANIC)
Each player uses Ki by posting. A player will achieve Super-Posting by making more than 60% of the posts after 20 Pages. Super-posting is a debuff that will limit your actions both in-thread and during the night phase. Your actions in NAR will be less prioritized (including beneficiaries done to you) and you may receive a MOD VOTE if you continue posting. After 24 hours your Super-posting will go down by 10%, allowing you to post again.
cial Mechanic)Each player uses Ki by posting. A player will achieve Super-Posting by making more than 60% of the posts after 20 Pages. Super-posting is a debuff that will limit your actions both in-thread and during the night phase. Your actions in NAR will be less prioritized (including beneficiaries done to you) and you may receive a MOD VOTE if you continue posting. After 24 hours your Super-posting will go down by 10%, allowing you to post again.[/quote]

Not that I will, but I think I can make being debuffed work.

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Inconsistent reads

inconsistent reads aren't scummy. Scum make sure to be consistent.

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I was just spewing, and mentioning what I saw in real time in the hopes people would interact with it.

I don't even agree I was inconsistent, to be fair, my reads just changed within the same post after reading more of the game.

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I went back and forth with Superbowl, calling Superbowl likely scum, but then wanting to town read them.

I fencesat with Bell.

I called Firebringer town, but put them in my scum list.

I'm incredibly aware of what you think was inconsistent about it.

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You also assumed that just because I was saying players were coming across as townie/scummy that meant that I thought they were town/scum. Most of my comments were merely observational.

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@Finral can you please expand on this?

Guillo vs FB is interesting. I can see it being TvS. This is a note to myself to look deeper into both these slots. I've been indifferent with Guillo thus far.

Parts of me think Kookiemonster/Guillo is fake, but I'll put a tinfoil hat on this one.

If I had to take a shot in the dark guess of where I'm feeling right now, it would be

Oil, Kookiemonster, Firebringer

as the scum team.

Guillo, Bell, and Superbowl are the 3 I want to look into more, and could probably replace into that likely incorrect full solve.

Light Blue

: Considering you said you want to town read FB and that you are indifferent with me. Who pinged you as scum in that TvS and why?

Green

: What interactions seemed fake to you? I'm aggravated by the thought that someone would consider "fake" my reactions to Noraa's death tunneling, or how she seems to be convinced that I'm scum. I'm not scum, but I believe she is convinced of it and I don't believe those emotions can be faked by someone like Noraa, so, what seemed fake?

Red

: In what world is Kookiemonster scum? She is pretty much consensus town read.

I'll answer this stuff later, but I think I'm sold on Kookiemonster town now.

But this confirms scum is town reading Kookie also, so looking into people actively town reading Kookie.

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Also, Guillo essentially outed themselves as scum calling me blind based solely on the Kookie read, because they didn't talk about Oil at all which means they're likely trying to discredit me to weaken my push on Oil but not bring up Oil.

Classic hatchet.

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Oil, Guillo, Flea?

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Also, people need to stop using consensus town read as a reason for someone to be town.

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@Flea - I'm okay thinking you're town. See my reads aren't lining up with the general consensus which means I feel you guys have been getting taken on a ride somewhere. I'm much more sold on Oil/Guillo rather than you, but you would fit as a 3rd, but I can see you being town here.

I also got a lot more out of scum reading Kookie and seeing how people would respond to it, so I didn't care too much.

I'm kind of tired of people not town casing her, though.

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;P gotcha, Oil.

Take me if you need to. I got him.

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@Bell - I need to talk to you.

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Rein your ego in will ya. I got better things to deal with.

how is me saying im being framed by u ego?

I am more willing to accept Fire town right now, but there's a reason Fire was on my scum list and continues to be in my POE. If you are town, I agree you are being setup somewhere, probably not just by Flea.

I will fade Flea before I fade Firebringer here, though.

My preferred eliminating order is Oil --> Flea --> Guillo.

If Flea is town, Fire after Guillo.

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if there is any options like investigations, I'd say solving within Flea/Fire is probably the right play.

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are*

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flea objectively has the most reason to want me gone than anyone here i think? i mean if we are talking about scum wanting to get rid of people suspecting them. if we talking just framing people to get rid of townies than it could just be anyone.

I think there is a chance you both are town here after thinking about it, and I think if that is the case, giving it a day is fine.

I think we solve in Oil/Me first. Oil's last post is an obvious "I have to challenge Finral" move.

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I will be sad faced if nacho wanted to frame me

I doubt it was intentional even if Flea is doing it.

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Kookie is consensus townread because everyone is townreading Kookie.
Therefore scum is townreading Kookie.
I should look into people townreading Kookie, as some will be scum.

^I'm not sure this line of enquiry is going to help much

Does it matter though if I stated I was happy with Kookie town?

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mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage

This was me coming in with 14 hours left or something and placing down a vote, following bell and also mastina looked to be making stuff up on their read on me

I still don't know why the rest followed onto mastina

Don't worry, Dunn, I see that you're town. I took you and Battle Mage off of that for who I think scum is.

Oil is like confirmed scum from my pov anyways. I'm trying to figure out if Bell is a partner there or not.

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@Flea - can you sheep me onto Oil? I feel like there's a potential you're trying to distract with this Firebringer thing.

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Also, Guillo essentially outed themselves as scum calling me blind based solely on the Kookie read, because they didn't talk about Oil at all which means they're likely trying to discredit me to weaken my push on Oil but not bring up Oil.

Classic hatchet.

I... I scum read guillo but like, this reeks of misrepping a statement.

Nah, I just thought they were saying something else. Don't make it something it isn't.

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It's pretty clear scum felt threatened by my solve. I'm getting discredited left and right here.

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I'm incredibly torn on the oil slot and my read there is bouncing back and forth like a metronome on 208BPM and I want to see the reaction there to this push.

aka wait til Guillo comes back to push me to avoid taking a stance.

Yeah, it's Oil, Guillo, and Flea.

Locked in.

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Like here's the thing, I'm just a vanilla, I'm fine taking the elim if I have to.

I have 2+ in my solve correct. If you don't follow it after, that's on you guys.

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Gohan as a universal back up and Vegeta as a desperado is very on point tho.

Also Yamcha as Vanilla

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Any other options?

Yeah, I gave a POE of 6 earlier.

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Why do you keep focusing on my posts like my other posts don't exist? You did that with kookie as well.

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Why do you keep focusing on my posts like my other posts don't exist? You did that with kookie as well.

my posts about Kookie *

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we townread Noraa for independent reasons or at least I do

what are these reasons?

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yet having seen the reads of Finral shift as they have there's literally no progression there...

throwing the noodles at the wall, seeing if they stick

[Finral]

Kind of okay with Bell right now.

Still think I'm on the money with Oil, Flea, Guillo. I could be wrong on one of Flea/Guillo, I don't think I'm wrong in both. Flea is skirting around the situation and was fence sitting Oil, and all their posts have been indirectly helping Oil, like the "reads of Finral shift as they have no progression" which is actually factually incorrect because I had my POE 6 earlier, and they haven't really changed. I start to move pieces around in the team, sure, but it almost seems like "he nailed all of us but he's just blowing smoke!"

Guillo is trying hard to discredit my reads rather than try to show me they are town.

Oil speaks for itself with the way they're coming after me. They're the 3 trying to take me down right now. Everyone else is completely just like "what's happening, waaaaah? meh finral could be right. Might as well." and that's townie to me because they really don't know.

The list of players I think are included in that are Firebringer, Battle Mage, Superbowl, and now Bell. I believe all 4 of them to be town for those reasons.

Dunnstral I've explained why I think is town, I actually liked how they were in Day 1 when Mastina was calling them scummy. Mastina had a list of players she thought was scum, Oil, Dunnstral, and someone else, I'll go check in a minute, but I don't believe Mastina wasn't right somewhere. If all her reads were wrong, it wouldn't matter to kill her still because she could just be killed later after she would misfade.


Guillo is pushing a bunch of "hey, go do this for me!" questions, and they're all defending Guillo indirectly. They stuck on my push of Kookie, which I was happy to call Kookie town after a while, I saw they were a consensus town read, and that's why I got pinged there initially, amongst not reading their posts as AI, just personality. After diving into it more, Kookie was townie to me. I read more.

Flea saying my reads have no progression doesn't make sense, because I feel I was pretty clear about going from scumreading Kookie to town reading them, and I like the reasoning of everyone town reading, the people who were actively town reading not passively have scum in them because yes, scum are obviously going to town read Nornor.

Guillo 2157 This seems like you're mad that I replaced into a slot you had setup to be a miselim, and ruined your plans because I'm town reading the players you are trying to keep in the miselim.

Also, I believe I'm only doing this with Superbowl, so I don't understand the exaggeration. Superbowl is in my POE as well, so this is a major overreaction, either alignment. I don't know if it's on purpose, it seems somewhat genuine, but it could be genuine no matter what.

[Finral]

I have two more pages to read, but I am relatively in shock that anybody could read me as scum ever this game.

Also, scum reads out of line with majority -> Higher chance of being town ->Higher chance of being miseliminated for having against the grain reads.

I would like Finral to lay out why he thinks I'm scum this game.

Mastina wagon and POE, mixed in with my catchup not liking some of your posts. You became in the POE because of it, and really it was just that. That's why I'm decently okay to town read you, and if we ever get the chance to talk directly, I feel like I would be able to figure it out. Anyways, you're like 4th-5th on the POE totem pole is all, and really, it's a positioning thing. I don't expect all the scum to have been positioned in a way where they were on the same side the whole game. This goes out the window a bit because if I'm right with Oil, Flea, and Guillo, then they have to turn and discredit me.

You haven't tried to do this and actively are here to want my reasonings rather than push "Finral no progression! Finral blind!"

[Finral]

After diving into it more, Kookie was townie to me

I also misread hydra posts early on which confused me.

[Finral]

Rereading the beginning of the game, I mostly skimmed over it, Guillo early is OMGUS'ing Bell, and really doing that question thing to the max. It's very much "do this for me you townie peasant".

It's page 3 and they are pushing Bell for trusting a gut feeling. On page 3. Battle Mage came in and said the same thing. This was a disruption post.



Dunnstral post is an early game gut ping vote on Guillo.

Ahhhh Oil is also disrupting the town read on Noraa. This could explain why Guillo is so gung ho about the consensus town read. They tried to disrupt early, but then swung momentum towards it. This was early early game, though, so I won't use this against Oil too much, this is more of a case for ScumGuillo after Oil flips scum.


Titus and Mastina both pushed some suspicion towards Oil at times. This is very good to see.

First post to give me pause against Oil being scum.

Thing is, if Oil was town, I feel like they'd have gotten more votes on them.

I still like Flea-Oil atm

Awesome.

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

Why flea?

More awesome. Oil quoting a post with potentially both scum members, and commenting on one. This saves Guillo from having to comment towards BM at face value.

yeah this feels like flea-scum. very self-conscious and inward-looking analysis; big post mostly fluff

This post in particular.
What about his posting is self-conscious, inward looking analysis?

Doesn't mesh with what he's actually posted.

Followed by more defense of Flea. This is when Flea is pushing BM as well, and actively discredits BM and halts momentum. It seems like they've been halting momentum from the very beginning of the game.

yo Guillotina, join the Flea-party with me

What? where? What are you serving? I only drink Vodka.

"I need to respond, but not make any stances on Flea through this post."

I'm really happy with the solve right now.

[Finral]

Oil's essentially been daddyscum to Guillo/Flea all game, and like that's the best reason to see they're the scum team.

[Finral]

And if I'm just dead wrong

[Finral]

I don't believe I've caused any chaos. Just was giving my reads and thought process.

[Finral]

If anything I gave the game more order.

[Finral]

Then you say I'm mad because you replaced in as if i got a vendetta or an agenda against your slot.

I'm not saying you're like going "DAMN CURSE EVERYTHING LIFE IS OVER SCREW FINRAL" mad, it's more of a "well, that sucks"

[Finral]

Can you talk to me about Oil, Guillo?

[Finral]

Can you talk to me about Oil, Guillo?

Oil's been the main slot I've been talking about, and you really haven't brought them up at all, and instead focusing on the slot I've already started to town read anyways.

[Finral]

Hmm, I'm wrong somewhere.

[Finral]

Don't think it's Oil, so I'll go there. Possibility for Sugar chainsaw, and Guillo just town with way off reads, I guess.

[Finral]

Maybe GuilloTown correctly called out Sugar white knighting them.

[Finral]

you voting Oil is a weird partner move because it's momentum swinging.

[Finral]

I'm never moving off of Oil this day phase, just so that's aware. Put me up against him if you have to.

[Finral]

Who's the scum?

Guillotina and sugar cain.

-Noraa

I could see this Noridory.

Oil/Guillo has been my main push for a while now. I have a lingering feeling Guillo could just be town, but that might just be guilt for the possibility because I don't want to misfade.

I think Oil is pretty lock scum here.

[Finral]

Yeah maybe noobish is the wrong word? Gives me guillotina vibes, like surface level almost? Not sure how to say it in a non-dick way

It's only surface level if you look at it from a surface level.

[Finral]

I completely became a focal point of the game, exactly what I intended. I became a black hole and moved the momentum around in the game so I could see where stances would take which helped me since I wasn't here for the majority of the game, and now, I've found scum on the replace in.

[Finral]

I mean you really haven't. The game just kinda died, partly due to team mafia I think

Nah, I have. I had like 3 votes on me dude. What you talking about?

[Finral]

and honestly, I'm in a lot of pain and spent most of the last couple days just staring into the void otherwise I'd be bapping more people.

And I'm like your last defense at living, to be honest.

If I say go Flea, this day phase is over.

[Finral]

So enough with the discredit attempts.

Like constantly. It's getting rather boring. Flea/Oil/Guillo/Sugar, gotta find the town here. If it's Flea, and they keep posting like that, they're going to be the cause of their misfade.

Actually, if they're scum posting like that, they're going to be the cause of their misfade.

[Finral]

Wow someone really thinks big of themselves

I dare you.

I know big of myself

[Finral]

I am a support Mage after all.

[Finral]

(NOW I'm intentionally instigating lol)

But yeah, lets do this.

Everyone on flea, as soon as finral justifies it and why their read on me shifted so drastically.

side note, don't call me dude.

not calling you dude, it's like saying, yo at the end of a sentence. Has absolutely nothing to do with gender, so my bad if that came off like that.

[Finral]

I am a support Mage after all.

Shame, you're a support mage, I'm a mid-boss - with status effects.

WindWaltz<3/Confuse

Strongest Support Mage in the game. Untouchable basically.

[Finral]

Sweetie I've asked you nicely not to call me dude, I don't like being called it. Don't justify and dismiss it. Apologise and move on. <3

I already stopped and apologize, like I get you're upset, but don't turn this on me this way. Like I said, I never called you dude, and I only said it once, so you saying you've nicely asked me implying I haven't stopped upsets me because I am super supportive of that, and you're attacking me for the way I speak.

[Finral]

Sweetie I've asked you nicely not to call me dude, I don't like being called it. Don't justify and dismiss it. Apologise and move on. <3

I already stopped and apologize, like I get you're upset, but don't turn this on me this way. Like I said, I never called you dude, and I only said it once, so you saying you've nicely asked me implying I haven't stopped upsets me because I am super supportive of that, and you're attacking me for the way I speak.

Like I'm obviously not going to call you that again, and my post was me literally apologizing and explaining the miscommunication and how it went over my head that you could take it in a different way.

[Finral]

So please don't attack me for the way I speak especially after I already apologized. We had the moment.

[Finral]

I know you're not going to call it me again, i just get pissy when I get overexplained to about something I'm well aware of. <3

if you're aware of it, you'd know I wasn't calling you that, and it makes me pissy when I get called out for the way I speak. I specifically know your pronouns and wouldn't call you that.

[Finral]

No, I'm actually really annoyed now, not just with that, that was almost like a final straw type thing here, though.

[Finral]

Oil is blatantly scum here, so I have nothing else really to say because the rest is super circular WIFOM, and we need to move on from this day phase.

I'm wrong somewhere, and I'm not going to figure it out until more flips.

[Finral]

People don't seem to care about cases, so really I'm just going to tunnel instead. I'll play the villain, I don't care.

[Finral]

Oil, Sugar Cain, Flea, Guillo, maybe Superbowl.

Contain all scum. Bell, Dunnstral, battle mage are town on the Mastina wagon.

[Finral]

Combatants

Battle Mage (1): Dunnstral
Oil Tycoons (1):

Titus

Superbowl9 (2): Guillotina,

mastina

Firebringer (1): Oil Tycoons
kookiemonster (1): MOD VOTE
Flea The Magician (4): Bell, Firebringer,

Gamma Emerald,

Battle Mage

Guillotina (4): superbowl9, Kookiemonster, Flea The Magician, Sugar Cain

If Flea is scum, Oil is chainsawing Firebringer here. If Flea is town, Bell is scum here. Superbowl being town highly would indicate Guillotina being scum, and vice verse.

Combatants

Battle Mage (1): Dunnstral
Oil Tycoons (1): Battle Mage

Gamma Emerald (4):

Oil Tycoons,

Titus

, Guillotina, Flea The Magician
Superbowl9 (2):

mastina

kookiemonster (1): MOD VOTE
Flea The Magician (3): Bell, Firebringer,

Gamma Emerald

Guillotina (2): superbowl9, Sugar Cain

Not Voting (0): Kookiemonster

Oil, Guillo, Flea 100% have scum in them, alongside one on Flea or Guillo.

Honestly, I am starting to think Flea is town here, and Firebringer/Flea is TvT.

This would mean the team is either Oil, Bell, Guillo or if that's not exactly the solve, Sugarcain takes the spot somewhere in there.

[Finral]

I'm gonna stop talking to Flea, I'm from the bay area, that's not how that word works here, and I already apologized so I'm moving on. I already specifically mentioned it was my bad for having that go over my head that not everyone sees that word that way.

[Finral]

Wait not BM is in this game + this new guy reminds me of Flavorleaf.
Go to ego level 1 and I won't vote you out.

-Noraa

For you

Spoiler:

[Finral]

*sigh*

Ok my out of game text colour is being used now. You called me dude, you used it as a standard turn of phrase. Fine it happens, apologise and move on. When I get over-explained at and get given a non-apology (sorry IF that's how it came across - distancing from the action) I get annoyed. What I have implied and what you have inferred are two very different things.

I asked for something not to be done respectfully, got an over-explaination and a non-apology then accused of attacking based on someones language choices because I have acted defensively, that is a matter for concern and an act of aggression against me. I will not be silent. I've taken too much shit in life to deal with it from some random on a game message board.

Further misgendering of me will be elevated appropriately, I've had enough.

This is the end of the matter. Am I quite clear?

Flea doesn't have to fucking apologize here. You have no right to misgender someone and be snappy about it. Flea has every right to be upset.

-Noraa

Never said Flea needs to, I also didn't misgender, and I apologized for it. Why do we have to keep this going? Like I literally write a diary from the perspective of a gender neutral child obviously from myself, I do have a right to be upset about it.

[Finral]

Oil, I'm town here. I understand my tunnel on you has a possibility to be incorrect.

[Finral]

It’s better to drop it and not litigate this further from both sides.
Or if u wish to talk about it wait till post game to have more civil conversation about it.

This. I will talk about it post game, if it must, but I'm incredibly passionate about the subject, and I believe that's been shown around before. Yes, it was a mistake of me to see the oversight that some people don't see the word that way.

I immediately apologized. I was never going to do it again here, so please don't keep making comments like "I will bring up to authorities if it keeps happening".

It wouldn't.

And I would fight anyone who damn would actively push that line further negatively. If someone continued to say stuff like that, I will personally let them know, in person, on thread, I don't care where. I will make sure people don't misgender people like that or move past it. That's why it upsets me when it's pushed at me like that when I have actively apologized, acknowledged it as my bad. Like I get it, but you're making me feel even worse for it, and you keep bringing it up.

Let's move past this subject and talk about it post game if we must.

[Finral]

Like I literally write a diary from the perspective of a gender neutral child obviously from myself, I do have a right to be upset about it.

It's not an apology if you don't acknowledge that you did something wrong. Being a writer who writes about minorities doesn't add you any additional authority on them; should make you more sensitive to them but clearly that didn't work. Usually enjoy you as a person but this is a grave misstep.

I am Non Binary half of the time, so like, fuck off.

[Finral]

It's not an apology if you don't acknowledge that you did something wrong.

I fucking did acknowledge it multiple times.

[Finral]

Like I actively don't have any pronouns on any of my accounts for a reason.

Don't fucking @ me.

[Finral]

Has absolutely nothing to do with gender, so my bad if that came off like that.

I actively was making aware of the mistake I had here.

[Finral]

It's not an apology if you don't acknowledge that you did something wrong.

I fucking did acknowledge it multiple times.

Drop the attitude then.

-Noraa

I have an attitude in all my posts, regardless if I'm happy or sad.

Right now, you guys made me sad and make me feel left out.

[Finral]

Like seriously, I fucking really hate people sometimes.

[Finral]

FL wasnt rude Noraa - i get that you think you're coming to Flea's defence, but it looks to me just like a misunderstanding. I am confident FL meant absolutely zero harm.

I was in the wrong at the time, and I admit that. It was my oversight.

But I don't appreciate continually being pushed away like I was being rude on the actively misgendering side of things. I got rude afterwards.

[Finral]

I'm sorry. I get touchy on the subject because of my own stuff I got going on.

[Finral]

I sincerely apologize, Flea. It was my oversight.

This will be my last post on the subject, and I will be willing to apologize more post game if this doesn't suffice.

[Finral]

@Firebringer - Let's case Oil some more. What are your main reasons for scum reading Oil?

[Finral]

Oil, I'm town here. I understand my tunnel on you has a possibility to be incorrect.

Yeah, you're probably town here, which is useful.
There are more pleasant ways to generate info than creating a dumpster fire.

I disagree that it was a dumpster fire.

I have a happy town block coming from it, and I gave the entire game a multitude of posts to analyze me from.

[Finral]

You're just the unfortunate soul here who feels the Third Degree Boon.

I can see myself stuck on incorrectly reading you based on play style, I suppose.

[Finral]

@Firebringer - Let's case Oil some more. What are your main reasons for scum reading Oil?

Poor solving
Bad interactions
Angle pushing don’t seem genuine

Yeah, that's where I'm at.

I'm at like a 75% they're scum, 25% I'm tunneling.

[Finral]

Now that I'm outed, unfortunate, because I absolutely wasn't going to out, but I got lazy and didn't feel like keeping up with a different playstyle, I can explain my Firebringer and Battle Mage town reads more.

Battle Mage got happy when they found out it was me, and Firebringer always sheeps me when they are town, and I think they knew it was me for a while too.

I thought I was going to scumread Firebringer based on the Mastina/Firebringer because initially I thought it was legit TvS on top of it being a genuine personal issue, but the more I went into it, I just couldn't see myself scumreading Firebringer. They just haven't really done anything to push a scum agenda, and this is the exact Firebringer I semi trolled in last year's Team Mafia.

I also correctly town read Firebringer in Xenoblade, and frankly, Fire and I have indirectly seen each other around for like 6 years almost now.

We've got in like 1 big toxic fight in those times, and I was scum, but other than that, I've always felt pretty good about reading them, and I really don't think they try to pocket me as scum, which is inherently what they would have to be doing right now.

Superbowl has been subtly chopping my momentum down, but I could see them doing it as town, but it's something I definitely noted and didn't want to bring up more because I didn't plan on ever legitimately outing.

[Finral]

Wowzers y'all.

VOTE: oil

Where my Gamma voters at? Can I get updated thoughts on that slot?

-j

Johnny, I'm Gamma slot, and have been pushing Oil slot for a while.

[Finral]

I still think the Kookie read is too high personally, but I'm not like scum reading them. I'm just not counting out there scum game completely.

I've only seen a handful of games from both of them, though, so I'd rather not meta them.

[Finral]

Lets just VOTE: Finral then.

If Johnny had a SR on your predecessor, I am more than happy to see you faded.

-Noraa

Go for it.

I'm a pretty high town read, though. Even Oil just said I was probably town.

[Finral]

Lets just VOTE: Finral then.

If Johnny had a SR on your predecessor, I am more than happy to see you faded.

-Noraa

Go for it.

I'm a pretty high town read, though. Even Oil just said I was probably town.

Oh if we want to brag about being TRed, I think I can as well.

-Noraa

why would you brag about being town read? That's just asking to be night killed or used by scum.

[Finral]

I always get misfaded as town now. Scum are afraid of me, and townies are afraid of being fooled by me. The way the world works. :shrug:

I remember when I went years without being misfaded or losing scum games. Those days will never be again.

[Finral]

Lets just VOTE: Finral then.

If Johnny had a SR on your predecessor, I am more than happy to see you faded.

-Noraa

And you just still need to learn how to town read me so like, makes sense.

[Finral]

Norra seems to have some personal issue with u

Yeah, I criticized her play in another game, she came after me in the way Nancy used to if I pushed Nancy as scum, and I went to town calling out my issues with her play.

I was blunt, as per usual, but she thinks it was personal.

[Finral]

scared flea, oil, and Nero off case?

Nah, Oil and Nero came at me. Flea was even willing to for a bit.

I thought I was going to go down.

Nero pushes me incorrectly as town, though, in a way I've learned to respect.

[Finral]

I always get misfaded as town now. Scum are afraid of me, and townies are afraid of being fooled by me. The way the world works. :shrug:

I remember when I went years without being misfaded or losing scum games. Those days will never be again.

The truth is that you're for some reason afraid to admit that you've made a mistake or that you've played poorly. You have an over emphasis on being accurate when accuracy is a small piece of the pie and you split towns down the center thus creating a silly dumpster fire like we're dealing with now.

I just talk. I even specifically stated I'm not all that sure. I'm one of the biggest flip floppers on site, but I've also solved more games than most in both individual fashion and high team synergy fashion.

If I think I played poorly, I'll say it.

[Finral]

Yeah she reminds me Nancy in some ways

I grew to love Nancy, so who knows what'll happen. I was never that harsh with Nancy, though, and now I'm afraid of Nancy when I'm scum.

[Finral]

I always get misfaded as town now. Scum are afraid of me, and townies are afraid of being fooled by me. The way the world works. :shrug:

I remember when I went years without being misfaded or losing scum games. Those days will never be again.

The truth is that you're for some reason afraid to admit that you've made a mistake or that you've played poorly. You have an over emphasis on being accurate when accuracy is a small piece of the pie and you split towns down the center thus creating a silly dumpster fire like we're dealing with now.

This is also more of a recent thing. Past 4-6 months. 2020 was my Heel year. 2019 was my hero year. Still deciding on 2021, but I'm much more apathetic in general nowadays.

I have an odd mixture of insane dry sass, bluntness, but overexcited antsyness.

8 scum games in a row after I didn't ever think I'd have to deal with that type of thing ever again will do that to ya.

I was a hoot and a half about a year and a half - 3 years ago.

[Finral]

This level of obnoxiousness, which tends to torpedo Flavor Leaf's chances of survival, tends to strongly imply town from him.

It's a personality trait not AI.

-Noraa

I don't think so.

In order to have a competent scum game you have to learn to play nice to some degree, and Flavor Leaf is certainly capable of that. This approach isn't that.

Well last time I saw scum flavor, he personally attacked me for 20 pages straight. Shoved his join date up in my face and told me he was superior and shit like that. I consider that extremely obnoxious and rude.

-Noraa

It was actually my response to you being rude, even if you couldn't tell, and frankly, I think it's helped your play.

[Finral]

The game flavo's referring to where they pissed Noraa off they were scum, fyi. In the event you're town I'd throw that tell in the trash.

exactly. that tell is bullshit and shameless personal attack-y behavior is not outside of his scum range.

-Noraa

To be fair, I'm insane: nothing's out of my scum range. That doesn't mean I'm not readable.

I'm pretty obviously town here, and Oil sees this, and I can't tell if he's doing it to get me to move off of him (my flip still would hurt scum them, and my flip would really hurt town them) so I get it either way.

[Finral]

Welcome to the bed you've helped create.

Umm what am I doing that made this bed?

You've also just been a straight up antagonist since Flavor Leaf joined.

You did the "hey let's back off and all be friends" for a second then immediately took potshots at Noraa, thus stirring the pot more.

What potshot did i take at norra
Also don’t think this is true about me being antagonistic here

I will say, even though I think Oil's posts here definitely can have a major scum agenda, he does come across extremely genuine with it. I even want to town read them when I know they are objectively scummy, and don't agree with what they're saying.

What are your thoughts on Guillo, Oil?

[Finral]

It was actually my response to you being rude, even if you couldn't tell, and frankly, I think it's helped your play.

Uh huh. At least I know my shortcomings.

-Noraa

See, you think I don't know my shortcomings. I simply just stopped caring.

[Finral]

I appreciate that I'm the measuring stick for delusion and ego.

[Finral]

To be fair, I'm insane: nothing's out of my scum range. That doesn't mean I'm not readable.

I'm pretty obviously town here, and Oil sees this, and I can't tell if he's doing it to get me to move off of him (my flip still would hurt scum them, and my flip would really hurt town them) so I get it either way.

Pfft. You're telling me ur SR thinks ur town, so I should think ur town, scum!flavor?

-Noraa

You can scumread me, I don't care. If anything, I'm happy to have a game on record that proves you'd tunnel town me

[Finral]

You aren't pocketing me, are you Firebringer?

[Finral]

Pissing one person off is different than pissing everyone off.

Behavior like this is not AI for him and he pissed everyone off in that normal.

-Noraa

Yeah, you're pushing a NAI push that means, which is why your case is weak.

If you wanna scum push me, you could push my inconsistent flip flopping reads, but I'll counter that with self meta, which you can brush off, but I'll keep you stuck in that circular WIFOM situation.

You could push me for controlling the game, but I will go post quotes of Flea specifically stating I'm not controlling the game.

I have a defense for everything either alignment. It's really become something I don't really need to think about at this point.

Really unfortunate I spend most of my time on my computer for work stuff, and mafscum is here.

To be fair, I got plans with Mafia to be work related, but that's future me showing up now.

[Finral]

I’ve really been trying not to be overly rude and mean cause I’ve been pretty annoyed by quite a few players here. So when someone tells me I am causing issues. I would appreciate if they told me what posts and or what I’m doing that is causing issues.

But if someone wants to tell me I am delusional who can’t see. I don’t know what else I can do to keep peace. So I will take my leave and see u all tomorrow.

Gonna go spend time with the family, cya

I try so hard not to be, but it happens so much lately. Untrod Tripod must hate me because I tell him every single time I think I cross a line.

[Finral]

And you wonder why I gave you those "personal attacks" with this next level play of yours.

[Finral]

And you wonder why I gave you those "personal attacks" with this next level play of yours.

Hi scum! How's it feel to be scum?

-Noraa

I love being scum, just not 8 times in a row.

[Finral]

Ur pretty obvscum here with the same play as that normal.

-Noraa

well that's more a testament to how amazing I am at replicating my town meta.

[Finral]

Also, that was one of the worst scum game I've played in my mafia career anyways. Just finished 3 simultaneous scum games at the time, was gonna replace out, but just sat and did nothing, lol

[Finral]

until I had to, of course, but even then.

[Finral]

I really want to town read Bell, but I just can't find any reason to.

[Finral]

Oil, you're getting put up to fight this phase, probably should claim and give full reads list.

[Finral]

I could see it. I'd be down to put Oil vs Dunnstral up, see what happens.

[Finral]

yeah, I could see Dunn/Flea.

I think I need to see more Sugar Cain.

[Finral]

I really want to town read Bell, but I just can't find any reason to.

I'm sure you could if you tried.
Like, even a little.

not when we haven't been here at the same time.

but you right

[Finral]

join the town block

[Finral]

honestly, might let Oil in too, not sure if I think this is an act or genuine. I do think they're capable of genuineness as scum here, and it does push something I believe ScumOil would push, but it does make sense coming from a townOil.

So that's where I'm at regards to that slot.

In a world where Bell/Firebringer/Oil/Battle Mage are town, that leaves Kookie, Superbowl, Cain, Flea, Guillo, Dunn...that's 6 people outside the town block.

I'm leaning town on Kookie, but I could be wrong. It makes sense they loltunnel here as town. Cain actually is probably going up on my scum reads. Man, I'm starting to think Guillo is town too, I just think they're push is bad, but I scum read them in Xenoblade also.

Cain, Flea, Dunn
Superbowl, Cain, Dunn
Cain, Flea, Superbowl

Starting to think one of these are the solve.

[Finral]

Or I'm just right before. I'm gonna sit on it for a bit.

[Finral]

Oil, Guillo, Flea makes so much sense, though, even with Flea voting Oil. The unvote looks really rough right after I said that was what was starting to push me away from the solve. They did revote, but I think Oil's in a spot where scum would bus. And if Oil is town, they're the slot I believe is most likely to be scum on the wagon.

[Finral]

I notice Finral didn't actually take up my offer of getting the player list to yeet me into the arena.

Nah, I might be getting there, but I do things on my time.

[Finral]

That's just flavor, he's very aware that his tone and style give off an arrogant impression.

Yup. I'm the shit. But I'm still just shit.

[Finral]

This seems pretty typical of him FB.

i am not seeing it is atypical. I am saying flavor needs to slow down cause he is moving too fast and its making him lose focus methinks. I think he is considering so many possibilities its messing with his ability to focus on a few good reads.

@Bell/Oil - this is what Bell did for me in Ilicit Substances. Both of us were town.

[Finral]

This seems pretty typical of him FB.

i am not seeing it is atypical. I am saying flavor needs to slow down cause he is moving too fast and its making him lose focus methinks. I think he is considering so many possibilities its messing with his ability to focus on a few good reads.

I'm not sure he gets anymore accurate if he focuses tho.
And his accuracy is 100% if he accuses everyone of being scum at least once. His current strategy is fool proof.

facts.

To be fair, I did lead the push on scum Day 2, and then made the call to rally everyone who was scum reading and casing Midwaybear and called Remelia the last scum, and was removed from the 2 misfades, so I was on 3 scum fades in a row there.

I think that's gotta matter for something.

[Finral]

Reads shmeeds, as long as we end up in the right place, I just make sure every avenue is searched through.

SUPPORT MAGE

[Finral]

Yeah, the majority of the managers I've had in real life even have let me do whatever I want, even in like corporations. I'm not really manageable, I'm more of the leader type trying to hype up and form an all star team synergy.

And if I don't have the urge to lead, I become like how I have been for the past few months; dry, washed up, and way too on the money.

[Finral]

yeah, I'm just actively choosing to read her as town tbh, johnny helps because johnny's townie, but she's scummy or town not helping. Either way, I'm gonna hit her with the wolf fang fist.

[Finral]

I always get misfaded as town now. Scum are afraid of me, and townies are afraid of being fooled by me. The way the world works. :shrug:

I remember when I went years without being misfaded or losing scum games. Those days will never be again.

I take it you are one of the seniors here then? I knew you had to be an alt.

Are you by any chance Pretentious? You are probably not i never saw him ever again since that game, but wanna know anyways.

Yeah, I'm also Pretentious.

[Finral]

Boonskiies was the first account of mine here.

[Finral]

Also, yeah, I only replace out if I'm about to get beyond toxic because of stupidity.

I used to have it be said "Flavor Leaf never replaces out". If I replace out, it means I'm done with a game and I don't trust myself not to absolutely let someone have it.

[Finral]

And Noraa doesn't know how to play Mafia well, she just exists, so I don't care about anything she says.

[Finral]

Stop doing this.

There's no reason to be mean to one another.

If I feel like he's gonna try to be extremely mean to me just like in that game, I'm gonna fucking stand up for myself. He has no right doing the shit that he does to me. It is rude and offensive as hell.

-Noraa

I've not even been talking to you really.

But I will tell you, nothing you say phases me at all. I have pretty thick skin about that stuff, and delusion for days yo

[Finral]

Plus, the way you do it shows your level of play anyways, so it does the same thing as if I brought it up to you anyways.

You're also much more effected by words than I am.

You also don't know how to accurately read.

You don't know how to case.

You don't know how to get out of a tunnel.

You put personal issues before the game.

So your level of experience speaks for itself.

At least I know the past 3 months, I've been phoning it in not giving a fuck, what's your excuse? I guess new. That's a decent excuse, but it's getting tiring to see it.

So if you wanna keep going @ me, Noraa, I'll fight. I don't care. But I'll still keep it game related, something you have no idea how to do.

[Finral]

3) Did you scum read us at this point just for having votes on your predecessor? If so, would you have town read gamma if you had not replaced gamma?

No, I always scum read Gamma when he's town.

[Finral]

Chainsawing is when Player Y (town) pushes Player X scum, then Player Z scum partner pushes Player Y back.

[Finral]

Sucks you are still pushing my top reads and you are yet to show substantial indication you could be town. I expect and demand more!

well, you're like one of three that don't town read me, so I'm not really worried about giving you more indication.

If anything, that's your job to give me indication you are town, which you have been doing, and it isn't going unnoticed.

[Finral]

Also, yeah, I only replace out if I'm about to get beyond toxic because of stupidity.

On a personal level, I don't believe I've ever replaced out of a game if it wasn't a personal thing.

Past few months, damn, really effected me. Happens when I roll 8 scum games in a row, and people start to policy because "he too good as scum, he can do this as scum, he can do anything as scum, oh me think he scum me dont know how to read people"

[Finral]

Stop doing this.

There's no reason to be mean to one another.

If I feel like he's gonna try to be extremely mean to me just like in that game, I'm gonna fucking stand up for myself. He has no right doing the shit that he does to me. It is rude and offensive as hell.

-Noraa

Like I've been essentially ignoring you, like get over it. Every single time you give something to me, I will just Magic Cylinder that shit right back at you with a +3, but the difference is I have a 7 year track record of game solves and scum wins where I know anything playstyle wise you push at me has already been said. You still are incapable of playing a game without letting it effect your game.

If anything, you're playing anti wincon now.

So like, Noraa, I literally don't care what you say, it really means absolutely nothing to me.

[Finral]

See flavor we think exactly alike

Except you aren't as big a saltfuck as I am lately.

[Finral]

Also, the replacement comment at me is flawed just like everything else you try to push. I specifically stated and immediately join a new game. I actively waited days.

[Finral]

but the difference is I have a 7 year track record of game solves and scum wins

Also, for the "throws join date in my face" comment, it's always just been me explaining why I have confidence in my play, and a plethora of games out there to show my ability, and if I'm fucking up and being obnoxious, I already damn well know it.

[Finral]

Did you scum read us at this point just for having votes on your predecessor? If so, would you have town read gamma if you had not replaced gamma?

More on this, I really didn't know who scum read my predecessor. Gamma gets pushed as town all the time.

[Finral]

Awkwardly quoted this in the wrong game at first, but this'll be my last post on the subject of Noraa unless she claps back, but if you wanna see some true hypocrisy here.

Spoiler:

im not gonna give you a free town read.

Do the fucking work and stop complaining.

I don't want a town read from you, King Flavor. you think too highly of urself.

First of all, I am the Queen Jester.

Fuzzy talk to me! Ignore queen jester over here.

shows she saw it.

now play the game

Ok, King Jester.

[Finral]

Some people are just shameless XD.

I see what you did there

;P

[Finral]

So plot twist, Kookie and I are actually masons.

[Finral]

Can't handle the wolf fang fist

[Finral]

Yeah, Bell, I'm not townreading you. =/ Both times I've had to read you, I have town read you strongly with paranoia. Here I'm null reading you, wanting to read you as town because I don't wanna push you.

[Finral]

Oil, Flea, Bell?

Honestly, Guillo started to give me town pings with their last string of posts.

Dunnstral could take a spot there, I guess, or Sugar Cain, but I feel decently confident we're nearing a solve. I think it's time to end the day.

[Finral]

For obvious reasons, protectives, don't protect me tonight even though I'm likely to die regardless of my reads being correct or not.

I bet scum think I'm a PR.

[Finral]

I don't know. Gut. Soul reading.

Is that a bad reason? I genuinely probably can't explain it. I think you always end up being obviously town. You did the game I took on the masons too. You start to second guess thing, or have a "hmm" like sentiment without even saying it.

[Finral]

Yeah, I'm overthinking.

Oil-Flea seems right to me too.

With...spicy take...

Dunnstral.

[Finral]

Oil thinks he's going down, so he's distancing from Dunnstral.

[Finral]

What do you think Firebringer? Oil, Flea, Dunnstral make sense? If you think Bell is scum, and I typically do think Guillo town spewed a bit the last time they were on, I wanna town read Superbowl.

I just think Oil, Flea, Dunnstral makes sense.

[Finral]

wait is dunny scum now?

I'm just thinking over things. I'm pretty happy with Flea-Oil as scum pair. It's the 3rd slot that is giving me trouble, but that's fine, I say we just move past today.

[Finral]

What do you think Firebringer? Oil, Flea, Dunnstral make sense? If you think Bell is scum, and I typically do think Guillo town spewed a bit the last time they were on, I wanna town read Superbowl.

I just think Oil, Flea, Dunnstral makes sense.

I don't think either Oil head is bad enough to vote their scum partner just before they get yeeted into the arena.

Probably not both, but if Oil is town, this is 100% TMI.

If Oil is scum, yes, they would. They have to. Oil is the only wagon, and they cant start a new wagon because that's the scummy part.

Flea's been trying to for a while, but needs to stay in the mindset of Oil is scum for distancings sake in the case he goes down, which is likely.

[Finral]

well you're wrong Flea, and don't just take that from me - plenty of respectable players here (dead and alive) who are telling ya

townie soul post again.

Flea's scum looking for a possible shift. They don't know what to do that their partners getting ran up.

[Finral]

i'll put myself out there and say I'm not interested in trying to run up Dunnstral today. Clearly we'll need to sort them at some point but bigger fish to fry.

Yeah, me neither. For all we know it's just Oil trying to get a misfade.

Sugar CAIN! Forgot about them. They're high possibility for the 3rd

[Finral]

Finral's talking out of their arse, I'll happily vote myself in the arena and give you all the options I have.

Except there's like multiple people who's reads are lining up nearly exactly like mine, so nice discredit.

[Finral]

Flea's vote, then unvote earlier when I said Flea's vote didn't make much sense coming from scum, then when I started getting momentum against me, Flea stopped.

Now Flea took the vote off of Oil to give breathing room so nobody hammered it.

[Finral]

What do you think Firebringer? Oil, Flea, Dunnstral make sense? If you think Bell is scum, and I typically do think Guillo town spewed a bit the last time they were on, I wanna town read Superbowl.

I just think Oil, Flea, Dunnstral makes sense.

I don't think either Oil head is bad enough to vote their scum partner just before they get yeeted into the arena.

Probably not both, but if Oil is town, this is 100% TMI.

If Oil is scum, yes, they would. They have to. Oil is the only wagon, and they cant start a new wagon because that's the scummy part.

Flea's been trying to for a while, but needs to stay in the mindset of Oil is scum for distancings sake in the case he goes down, which is likely.

This reasoning is alien to my mediocre scum hunting mind.

I'm sort of town reading Flea now tho.

Oil is still in neutral land in my mind.

These are contradictions, Bell, but you're doing a solid job defending them.

[Finral]

You have a self proclaimed mediocre scum hunting mind, but then you don't give any reasons other than "this post is town" "eh im town leaning them"

[Finral]

hey Finral, rate my scumhunting acumen here?

high, probably. if im tunneled, we're fucked, though

[Finral]

Nope but the legendary Flavour Leaf and their game of "everyones reads matches mine!" demands it, clearly.

I want people to want to want me to demand it, clearly

[Finral]

Firebringer, what you thinking? I;m thinking Flea might be trying to go down instead of Oil. Thinking of putting Bell up against it, so we all make sure to vote Oil.

[Finral]

Firebringer, what you thinking? I;m thinking Flea might be trying to go down instead of Oil. Thinking of putting Bell up against it, so we all make sure to vote Oil.

Hmm? up against what?

Don't we have to do another person, and then vote between them?

Nobody explained the mechanics to me still, and it's very possible I'm wrong on the mechanics

[Finral]

If Oil is town, Kookie/Bell isn't out of the range of possibility.

[Finral]

I don't get the second part. Why would we hurt/heal

[Finral]

If Oil is town, Kookie/Bell isn't out of the range of possibility.

Pfft regardless of anything, you will always die before me if we get there cuz im obvtown. Don't even think about it.

I'm just going to wolf fang fist tonight on you anyways

[Finral]

so you'll be dead. And I'll be night killed, which means I'm the bigger threat anyways

[Finral]

If Oil is town, Kookie/Bell isn't out of the range of possibility.

Pfft regardless of anything, you will always die before me if we get there cuz im obvtown. Don't even think about it.

I'm just going to wolf fang fist tonight on you anyways

Shows how terrible your play is XD.

How so? I want to hit town you because you're a distraction and are playing anti town.

This is what vig's are for, to hit liabilities.

[Finral]

If it's ever lylo with 1 scum alive, you fade Kookie. Just, yeah.

[Finral]

so you'll be dead. And I'll be night killed, which means I'm the bigger threat anyways

XD. Ok go make a fool of yourself.

Oh, I see, you're still simple minded enough as a player to think that's a bad thing to do. Got it.

[Finral]

Oh, I see, you're still simple minded enough as a player to think that's a bad thing to do. Got it.

I have a couple more braincells than certain players.

Not any that are in this game.

[Finral]

How so? I want to hit town you because you're a distraction and are playing anti town.

This is what vig's are for, to hit liabilities.

How'd you not get vigged every game you were in then? Oh right those vigs were dumb yeah.

Well because I have more solves than possibly any player on site. Look at you lookin all silly without knowing facts hahahaahahahahaahahaah

[Finral]

You know I'm Flavor Leaf, right? LOLOL just figuring that out. Nuff said

[Finral]

Well because I have more solves than possibly any player on site. Look at you lookin all silly without knowing facts hahahaahahahahaahahaah

your "solves" pfft.

lol look at you. Trying to act like you know anything about mafia. cute

[Finral]

Difference is, you do this because you're upset. I have fun responding to you when you're like that.

Words effect you more than they do to me, and you have absolutely no skill in being able to separate the 2 things whereas I can multitask.

I can throw hands, solve, have a fun conversation with Fire, and cook my fancy dinner all without even thinking about it.

[Finral]

Well because I have more solves than possibly any player on site. Look at you lookin all silly without knowing facts hahahaahahahahaahahaah

your "solves" pfft.

lol look at you. Trying to act like you know anything about mafia. cute

It's funny but im pretty sure I know more than you, someone that only knows how to be an asshole to high schoolers.

Not true.

I can be an asshole to anyone.

I can be sweet if I wanted to, I just have no urge to here.