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Aw, man. I haven't seen you guys since like last year.

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Titus, Nero Cain, DrippingGoofball, Momrangal, NoPowerOverMe, Luca Blight, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald, BB FUCKING Molla, and PlusJOYED. I've missed most of you. Can't wait for Nero to scum read Titus and I (<3), Titus to scum read me because I'm not being a dickhead to her (<3 <3), Goofball and molla to just fucking Goof and moll the shit out of the thread (<3 <3 <3); I could go on, but the other half of the playerlist that I haven't played with before doesn't give a damn.

Hi, I'm chkflip, and like Samuel L. Jackson near the end of cult classic "Pulp Fiction," I'm tryin'

real hard

to be the shepherd, but sometimes I can get... kind of hostile. If I become too aggressive, just lemme know and I'll go do some world building or something and come back. I'm a prick but at least I'm reasonable. For example:

wouldnt be a fun normal without nero cain and dgb

VOTE: samantha97

how dare you try to escape

also I'm a miller

Have you ever fake claimed Miller before

yeah as scum

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

VOTE: BBmolla

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Knowing 16 should be in 15 is mafia 101; forgetting to do so has a heavily negative connotation.

I call it the BBmolla tell.

#TrustTheProcess

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Ugh, triple post. Bee tee dubs,

@mod

and fellow players: at some point during this game I'm going to be moving from Sacramento, CA, to Las Vegas, NV. I will give you a good week or so heads up before it happens. If I am to be alive at such a time, please understand I will be v/la as the tire fire that is life heads East to Sin City.

(Hey molla, this is the type of thing that acceptably forgettable for a follow up post. Not literally your role. Just thought I'd point that out given the opportunity.)

(Hey hey Titus. I would love to hang out one last time before I move if that's a thing you also want to do and we could possibly make possible by plausible chance.)

(Hey hey hey. I'm a fiya stahtah. Twisted fiya stahtah. Mmmmm dodoloodo. HEY. HEY. HEY. If you're too young for that reference, please Google those lyrics and listen to that song. You're welcome.)

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I don't know what rule you're talking about, G Money, but like, also no.

You claim in your first post. Period. Your claim can just be a stand alone post with just the claim and literally nothing else. Your claim can contain whatever you wish to reveal; however, what you do not do as the Goddamn Miller is go "oh, hey, yeahhhh... by the waaaay" when you're actually the Miller.

Like

No.

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bro ily but also ur scum so

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quack?

Why couldn't the two ducks trust each other?

Because they were quack heads.

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bro ily but also ur scum so

you do this every game we play bro lmao

UNVOTE: BBmolla

It's my way of remembering you, BB. :*

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VOTE: Norfolk

13 pings.

I got 99 problems and you not outlining these is definitely one.

Hayker might be scum too.

Stop teasing me.

Maybe NorwegianboyEE too unsure there

TWICE!?

Tickle me one more time for the one more time.

(Name another scum read if one exists? Thank you.)

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VOTE: rannygazoo

YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS

Like Vince McMahon when he gave Stone Cold Steve Austin the speech about the then WWF needing "to see the 'old' Stone Cold," I'm so wildly happy to see this homage to what I used to expect from you.

Give us the old DrippingGoofball. PLEASE?

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moll could ez claim miller as scum and part of me is just like "ok lets lynch that potential headache" but I guess the correct play is to leave him along for now and lynch him b4 lylo if we haven't solved

Nero Cain is town.

Hey NC I know it's not a rule or whatever but please sub eliminate for the other word. I'd sincerely appreciate it man.

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I'm aware of the fallacy but from an emotional standpoint there's still some validity there I think. I'm not saying hes scum butonestly I will look for any excuse to bypass Rvs.

I like this a lot, too.

How many reads do you have?

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VOTE: MiniMegabyte

This is the way.

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Jeez this game moves fast

Skate or die.

Chkflip's references are top class.

You're very generous. Please keep going.

Wait so that was a

troll

?

Well yes, but also no.

Damn, Chkflip came in like a wrecking ball.

Interesting reaction. But what does it mean?

That was a pretty quick conclusion tho.

WhyEE?

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PARA UNO: Yeah but why are you saying "okay guy we get it" instead of "chk makes me feel a feeling"? Why comment that the thing happened instead of voicing your opinion on the thing that happened? Blah blah blah Information Instead of Analysis blah blah fix yourself.

NUMBER B: I assumed it was that your interpretation of "x is town/prob/scum/null/dip" was different than mine. It is. Carry on.

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It isn't.

EE: It's a ping pong paddle and a ball smiling at one another. And it's because Saint Quilford of Olde made it for me. I sometimes switch to other stuff but this goofy little avatar has been a mainstay for longer than you've played mafia. Why are you following up superfluous statements with meaningless questions?

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Vax, I don't believe so, but if we have it wasn't more than once.

To see if it annoys you.

Fascinating, you do have motivations.

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Don't nobody ever push Mama.

I'm against the Mini wagon. I see no reason for it while I can't get a single vote on actual scummy people because after I call them out, they leave the thread.

Which instance of you voting are you stating you've applied enough pressure to make that person so uneasy they stopped posting in thread?

You don't just get to cram words together because they sound good, lawyer, I need the evidence. WHERE ARE THE EXHIBITS!?

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I mean, until you clarified your position, almost every vote on that wagon is blank -- including yours.

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Duty, breach of duty, causation and damages.

Duty to post and be readable and/or scumhunt
Breach of duty - Absence of scumhunting or responding to pressure
Causation - The absence causes the damages below
Damages - Inability to read the slot to determine motivation.

First things firstmostly, this is fun and lawyery and I absolutely asked for it but you completely passed over the initial question.

Which instance of you voting are you stating you've applied enough pressure to make that person so uneasy they stopped posting in thread?

Also, which vote are we discussing?

Samantha just finished rolling scum in Booneytunes. She peaced out rather than play scum again. #angleshoot

That's gross.

Why RVS someone who you always suspect?

Wait why does that matter?

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Oh and I'll either DM or text. We'll do a thing.

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Do your best.

It’s my first large normal too but you don’t see me refusing to solve

Funny joke. Tell another one.

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Do you usually scumread town!Titus?

You'd be fairly hard pressed to find someone who doesn't. The defacto site meta is Titus is scum.

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Gamma, why are you so cantankerous this game?

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Ooooh. There's that Nero beef I know and love. Just be conscious of the energy you're bringing into the game while you each contest you could piss the highest up the rope. And while I appreciate the backup joke, Gamma, it always incites jubilation from within when people make attempts at besmirching my vernacular. But I won't elucidate further.

heybbmolla I know why, but like, why switch votes? Gimme a sentence or two if you would.

Goofball, no. NO. OLD GOOFBALL. NO WORDS, JUST ACTIONS.

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VOTE: andresvmb

Because he can't be town all the time.

WHY YOUR VOTE IS SAME NOW

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Don't see anyone significantly scummy yet.

Last tiime I played in a game where someone rescinded a claim they were scum.

VOTE: BBMolla

So... this is because I instigated you, or...?

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Idk if the rescind is legit but if it is I think BBMolla should get voted out at some point because that sort of WIFOMy behavior is not something I’m gonna condone

L M to the fucking A O

Chill. Do you not remember To Boon?

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Okay I checked and I flaked very early that game. Very likely missed whatever you’re referring to.

Ah, I forgot about that part.

I claimed miller as a town pr for literally no reason whatsoever.

Sure, why not?

Because they completely fucking contradict one another?

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I was gonna be mad, but at least I'm not whomever the fuck rainyCat is I guess.

my past 4-5 town games, I don't think there's a single player who was correctly able to town-read me. I spent whole games being on the defensive day after day praying to get that delicious link to the dead thread in my mailbox. It looks like this is going to be yet another one of those games but this time I really want to earn that scum read.

You're easy peasy until you get paranoid and just start calling everyone scum. I had you as town in our last one, but you railroaded me into the ground. And got town read for it. So this bit is silly even for you.

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I ISO'd NPOM for funsies and realized his RVS vote was still active. Finding that odd some 400 posts later, I say something about it

VOTE: andresvmb

Because he can't be town all the time.

WHY YOUR VOTE IS SAME NOW

and then he straight faced says to me

Don't see anyone significantly scummy yet.

which is quite literally the opposite of

Last tiime I played in a game where someone rescinded a claim they were scum.

VOTE: BBMolla

in a span of less than 10 minutes.

But you don't understand the problem with that?

UNVOTE: MiniMegabyte
VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

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I was mostly kidding, you're not the first/last to call me that.

Eyyy chk

I don't think you've even seen me under this acct before. Where you at this game

wym fam I've definitely played with this account before. To the more important point here WHO THE FUCK ELSE ARE YOU!?

I've given both town and scum reads pretty openly. Is there a specific opinion you're looking for?

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Vote tag?

I think my vote on DBG is wrong but I don't wanna remove it.

Not liking gamma

Elaborate on both. You and Titus are both like "I dislike _name_!" but aren't giving me anything in regards to why.

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To be fair, your demise was inevitable due to your interaction with scum!Iecerint.

Mmm, no, my demise was inevitable because you propagandized even yourself by coloring my name red in your VCA. Bad Goof. But I appreciate you pointing out that I've had incorrect reads before. It'll be helpful later when you get cranky at me for having incorrect reads.

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Is cheeky hawker gamma plus quiet

Is this your batting order?

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Ah right you're a pool girl, my bad. I forgot.

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VOTE: cheekyteeky

Sorry guys for the mass spam I don't have much time but that should be enough stirring until my return xx

This is a scum approach

*sees post number* Nice.

Just do the gamestate a favor and just start from the beginning.

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So you follow Nero on molla, but not NPOM?

Nero, please tell me your molla/NPOM theory.

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I see Molla as possible scum and have NPOM as town. I don't see why the two must be linked.

They mustn't be. I was just poking.

I’ve been considering re-reading but still fuck you.

You misunderstand. I meant elaborate so people understand where you're coming from (which is why I quoted your vote).

heybbmolla better you than me, buddy

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Uhhhhhh yeah tells are tells for a reason.

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LMAO my votes on the right slot.

Have I "missed" anything? Anybody has queries para moi?

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Hm.

UNVOTE: Bypasser Catcher

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Can one of you please

fucking nevermind

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There it is.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

Fuck that noise.

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I'm ftr good with 40p D1. We have information.

Oh hi btw don't openly discuss night actions or even the possibility of having them. Stop doing mafias job for them. Thaaaaaanks

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What exactly changed your mind about that slot? Is there any meta element to that change, either connected to NM or not?

I didn't care for your case on precious players in the slot, but this one is just being obnoxious. I'm good on that.

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Okay
How does NM compare to IKS in Guitarists?

S'pose it's similar, sure, the difference here being that I was vehemently wrong as the replacement who didn't like that wagon instead of being the guy that didn't have interest in the wagon's reason or purpose until an unbearablyyyyyfun player took up the slot.

Ask a more direct question next time, please, because that's a weighted and pointed question. Don't think I don't see you.

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Wait so we're going from voting scum to voting a lurkfuck because they can... be "cleared" (?)... in two night phases?

You uh

You're fucking kidding me right now, right?

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Sure, sure it could. I mean absolutely, right? Self resolving. I mean the claim basically kills itself, yeah? So we can just sit on our hands because it's just a night phase.

An even one, which I know may be a tough cookie to crumble but what that AIN'T is TONIGHTS NIGHT PHASE. So while yes, technically, wooooooow, it really does only take a phase, we're waiting for two.

Because thats how even nights work.

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I thought “even night” was on “neighborizer”, not “weak”

Everything in me wants to yell how fake this reads as lamist or an attempted town tell, but I've had a long week and I don't think I've been as close to the pulse of this game as I'd like.

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VOTE: Rannygazoo

LET'S FUCKING GO MOM I GOTCHU

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Ranny can absolutely be shot to the sun, like, now.

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Your current behavior with regards to something that was at-best antitown to mention at all doesn't really sit well with me.

Also yaaaaaay hella people are claiming D1 again. Good job, guys. You're really doing the job well here. [/sarcasm]

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You can disagree with me about your newly shown antitown behavior, but that doesn't actually make it less antitown. Assuming scum saw, read, and discussed the claim actually gives me a whole hell of a lot less incentive to unvote you for what should be an obvious reason. But we can keep not talking about the thing you shouldn't have mentioned to begin with if that makes you feel better.

heybbmolla who hurt you

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That is 100% what I'm fucking saying.

I dont like this slot at all and believe it should be eliminated early so it doesnt complicate things later in the game

VOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Not_Mafia one of my scum reads

Noting to self: remember these in the event Hayker is flipped and is red. Timing, slot presense, and wagon standings at this particular point could be telling.

Could be.

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Imagine making sure you make a note about something that, looking at the gamestate, is rather likely to happen save a cop clear on Hayker... only to be accused of fence sitting.

Shut the fuck up.

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Check my ISO, big money.

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I think I'm doing just fine, thank you.

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Good. Now ask the other half of the game if I have nearly almost ever gone "oh you want an entire reads list of things I've already said because reading comprehension are just big words? Well shucks, friend."? See how that goes for you.

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I find myself commonly in the position of having to correct other players that I've yet to play with that no, I didn't sign up to this game to hold your hand through comversations with me, and I don't have to play the game how you feel it is played optimally (we will refer to this in later instances as "protown") by any means of their definition.

That's pretty commonplace, yes.

Then what may happen is a vote, or oh me oh my a whole ass train, but do I often get eliminated D1?

Hahahahahahaha

Aaaaahahaha

Hahah

No.

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I'm disappointed u declined to question me about it and just instead went straight for the shade.

but I will say your reasoning and logic is notably weak. Are you perhaps bluffing and hoping to get a reaction out of me?

*whistles tune to "One of These Things is Not Like the Other"*

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VOTE: PlusJOYED

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I'm conflicted bc the people I don't think are town are agreeing with me.

Rude.

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VOTE: Hawker

For NorwEE

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chkflip is town to you?

i mean i would just keep them out of a townblock for the sole reason i think their reads would be bad tbh LOL just keep them at the top of the PoE if u really think so. im not sure on their alignment rn.

Harsh, but fair. My winrate is dogshit.

This is about the reads list thing, isn't it?

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Oh, I see. You weren't just being rude in the fashionable sense, you actually think I'm bad at the game. I read the room incorrectly there.

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haha dick state

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Don't talk about ongoing mafia award nominations.

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Oh we're claiming MORE SHIT

thank you very cool

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I mean you're not wrong but it's a super awkward time to claim mason for no reason whatsoever.

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Why would I assume it's literally anything else except something mason-like?

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OH FUCK WHAT

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Do we really want to have enough day phase to try and push that through or is that more like a wait for tomorrow type of read, eh Glamma Amberhold?

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I'm obviously all for new avenues, but at this stage of the phase you're going to have to show why it isn't just another standalone vote.

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Any of the standalone votes, honestly, but I brought it up because of yours (unless someone else was voting Nero?).

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How the fuck did I

Okay. Your discrepancy lies in the way he replied to you, I get that, but why Nero over either leading wagon? If there's more prior to his reply you don't like then feel free to refresh me.

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VOTE: Nero Cain

I'll give you my vote for now.

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Gamma was right, there were two other Nero votes. We're at five rn if I counted correctly.

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Yeah NorwEE and uhh someone else. Unless they moved their votes. We're due a vote count here soon I'm sure.

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.yeahnahcarryonbuckoIscrewedthepoochonthatone

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there's scum sitting on me and eliminating in Gamma/CHK is prob a good idea anyways.

There he is. <3 <3

But you always scum read me, so like, it's unhelpful.

But I called it. <3 <3

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while not impossible, for my wagon to be scum free 3 of the 4 scum would have to be in

Rannygazoo
Norfolk Boy1
Binatog13
PlusJOYED
Hayker

and eh

ranny sure but the others eh

i remain convinced that there's scum in quiet, bypass and luca

Where are these names coming from, out of all the people not voting for you? Your scum reads, or...?

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Okay. And out of all of them, we went with Hayker because survival?

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You feel like that a lot, dude, so that doesn't mean anything to me. Also, cherry picking isn't saying "hey, remember in my opening post when I said I can't wait for you to scum read me? there it is," so no. Especially considering I followed up in the same post with how it isn't alignment indicative. But you go ahead and continue buzzword shading. I know it's a healthy passtime of yours.

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y r u voting me?

y do u feel u should be town read for voting town?

I gave Gamma my vote as his reason for your wagon resonated with me. The day was dragging and this has undoubtedly produced worthwhile content on many slots both with regard to and regardless of your alignment, so that's reason number B for the sheep. And Idk man... I'm not getting that town Nero vibe I got from before the Zelda game closed. It's more from the time you were scum and pushed my elimination through.

I've never asked, didn't ask, and won't ask anyone to travel down that golden WIFOM road, guy, and I genuinely feel like you know better than to say that I of all people would assume townreads from people. I think you're equating me saying "there's that Nero charm" with "how dare you not think I'm town" when that couldn't be further from what I actually said.

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im just asking that when I flip town why do you think you should be town read.

Ah, apologies. Misunderstood the statement.

No.

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Wait, are we angling that agreeing is scummy?

What the actual fuck, Nero?

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I'm kinda just fuckin' with you because, as much as I want to see town!Nero, I'm just... not. And while agreeing isn't scummy and I pretty clearly exaggerated, to what end do you think Bypass has deepwolfed so much that they could re-skin budding with saying "yeah that" a lot? I am trying very desperately here not to look at this and say "OMGUS." It isn't there yet but you're gonna pull your hams with all this stretching you're doing.

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re-skin buddying with*

fucking proofread your posts when it's Important Words Time, kids.

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Is Hayker being replaced?

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Get back to me with the "spare 85p of reading blah blah" rhetoric when he's actually being replaced. Thanks.

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Opinion noted and discarded

It's when people say they don't care that I know they really do. <3

But for serious, we bare fucking minimum need JOYED (who has floated on this long becaaaaause...?), DGB, MiniMeg, and Hayker to come in here with some Goddamn content before day's end. Not ignoring, of course, the potential to just eliminate Hayker if he doesn't show back up and we're collectively not good with a Nero elimination.

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just humor me, what would that look like with a Nero town flip?

Why, regardless of alignment, do you so heavily rely on this WIFOM angle like it's the only leg you stand on?

C'mon, Nero. Give me some fucking thunder. Cast a vote that isn't just survivalist.

(mermermeriscumreadhayker) THEN GIVE ME SUBSTANCE. Give me and seven other people a reason to go "Y'know what? That Neros something else but maybe we were right with Hayker." It doesn't even have to be Hayker since you've got a handful and a half of scum reads, leans, and nulls.

If YoUrE tOwN (I'm sorry I just... loathe that angle.) then all I'm asking you to do is go back to scum hunting. I'm not saying, insinuating, or implying that you haven't done so this game so miss me with that my guy. You on the defensive isn't doing you any favors if we're ultimately as wrong as you're so emphatically insisting we are.

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LIKE WHY ARE YOU FUCKING QUITTING RIGHT NOW





I'm gonna go world build. This is frustrating.

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He said he's chicken. He can't vote Nero.

He said he's sute somebody else will do it.

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I said JOYED but Vax is a good shout as well, yes.

Thanks RainyCat.

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this is y i want to flip already so I don't have to play with a shitlord like u

This is childish and I'm here for it but also stop.

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everyone out of the wagon

At this point? Not gonna happen.

You're extending the inevitable (which I'm oddly comfortable with atm bc I want certain voices to enter or reenter the foray) and demanding we all champion you as our leader out of nowhere is grossly overconfident of you.

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Fair shout.

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Yo Titus, isn't Mathblade your brother or am I fucking up usernames again?

I'm going to claim and use my 1-shot Gelatinous Cube ability, hereby absorbing all of Nero Cain's reads and portraying them as my own moving forward.

VOTE: Titus

Because Titus is always scum, even when Nero is scum.

But for serious I'm curious what she's got for me.

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I'm pushing Titus to push off the Nero wagon.

Don't question results.

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Ahhh I see where I fucked up. No, guys, relax.

Titus is the VCA Queen. So I'm waiting for her to come in, the results being what we can do together when we start yipping back and forth about it.

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I DON'T.

VOTE: Norfolk Boy1

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I'm following Titus and I feel like Nero would follow a guilty track. Otherwise I'm uncertain what you mean. (Titus and I will surely VCA later, don't you worry.)

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I dont understand, you voted titus and your following titus?

Also nero flipped VT. Nero follows guilty track? huh?

ARE YOU BEING PURPOSEFULLY OBTUSE, BOY!?

Ahem. As I was.

I voted Titus because I was hoping she'd come in and we could dive into it. I've not scum read Titus. It was pressure to get 'em to come in punching. Then Not_Maf came back with the guilty so that bit is on hold. I *will* revisit it, now just isn't the time for it.

Nero following anything was just my homage to the silly cube claim I just made. I feel like Nero would persue this avenue so I'm putting my name on that wagon ezpz.

Are we all caught up now?

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cuz ur method of reading sux at reading me

This attitude is unhelpful.

Pedit: Ope, carry on.

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I am also not on this reads list?

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WAIT WHY IS MATH LOWER LMAO

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look out heybbmolla

here comes heyandres

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FUCK THAT, DOUBLE DOWN. HIS IDEA IS STUPIDER.

DON'T BE FUCKIN' TIMID.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

Y'all didn't give any fucks about yesterday being fast when we thought we had a guilty. We actually HAVE a guilty now but oh wait let's talk about it? Where the fuck was that energy D2?

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So, what's up, guys?

Anybody diving into the cess pool that is N_M's ISO because it breaks on my phone halfway through the song from Shrek. I can still barely load the page that post is on.

I guess I'll start VCA'ing without Titus.

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My head hurts, I don't do things for games during night phase most of the time and this was no different. So I'll look at the night kills and snap decide

VOTE: Titus

You do look really bad but this is more placeholder "let's do this VCA shit hey" then a definitive "this is where I think D4 should go."

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Why is that relevant?

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The ones that caught my eye the most from D1

Spoiler: forlateryes

re-

word-forming element meaning "back to the original place; again, anew, once more," also with a sense of "undoing," c. 1200, from Old French and directly from Latin

re-

"again, back, anew, against," "Latin combining form conceivably from Indo-European

*wret-

, metathetical variant of

*wert-

"to turn" [Watkins]. Often merely intensive, and in many of the older borrowings from French and Latin the precise sense of

re-

is lost in secondary senses or weakened beyond recognition. OED writes that it is "impossible to attempt a complete record of all the forms resulting from its use," and adds that "The number of these is practically infinite ...." The Latin prefix became

red-

before vowels and

h-

, as in

redact

,

redeem

,

redolent

,

redundant

.

Official Votecount 1.10

Not_Mafia (6): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, Rannygazoo

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PlusJOYED (5): Luca Blight, DrippingGoofball, Titus, Andresvmb, Bypasser Catcher
MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
DrippingGoofball (1): MiniMegabyte
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (3): Hayker*, Binatog13, chkflip

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

place (n.)

c. 1200, "space, dimensional extent, room, area," from Old French

place

"place, spot" (12c.) and directly from Medieval Latin

placea

"place, spot," from Latin

platea

"courtyard, open space; broad way, avenue," from Greek

plateia (hodos)

"broad (way)," fem. of

platys

"broad," from PIE root

*plat-

"to spread."

Replaced Old English

stow

and

stede

. From mid-13c. as "particular part of space, extent, definite location, spot, site;" from early 14c. as "position or place occupied by custom, etc.; precedence, priority in rank or dignity; social status, position on some social scale;" from late 14c. as "inhabited place, town, country," also "place on the surface of something, portion of something, part." Meaning "a situation, appointment, or employment" is by 1550s. Meaning "group of houses in a town" is from 1580s.

Also from the same Latin source are Italian

piazza

, Catalan

plassa

, Spanish

plaza

, Middle Dutch

plaetse

, Dutch

plaats

, German

Platz

, Danish

plads

, Norwegian

plass

. The word appears via the Bible in Old English (Old Northumbrian

plaece, plaetse

"an open place in a city"), but the modern word is a reborrowing.

Sense of "a mansion with its adjoining grounds" is from mid-14c.; that of "building or part of a building set apart for some purpose is by late 15c. (in

place of worship

). Meaning "a broad way, square, or open space in a city or town," often having some particular use or character (

Park Place, Waverly Place,Rillington Place

) is by 1690s, from a sense in French. Its wide application in English covers meanings that in French require three words:

place, lieu

, and

endroit

. Cognate Italian

piazza

and Spanish

plaza

retain more of the etymological sense.

To

take place

"happen, come to pass, be accomplished" (mid-15c., earlier

have place

, late 14c.), translates French

avoir lieu

. To

know (one's) place

"know how to behave in a manner befitting one's rank, situation, etc." is from c. 1600, from the "social status" sense; hence the figurative expression

put (someone) in his or her place

(1855). In i

n the first place

, etc., it has the sense of "point or degree in order of proceeding" (1630s).

Out of place

"not properly adjusted or placed in relation to other things" is by 1520s.

All over the place

"in disorder" is attested from 1923.

Official Votecount 1.11

Not_Mafia (8): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, quiet, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, Rannygazoo, chkflip, DrippingGoofball

[E-3]

PlusJOYED (4): Luca Blight, Titus, Andresvmb, Bypasser Catcher
MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
DrippingGoofball (1): MiniMegabyte
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (2): Hayker*, Binatog13

*

Hayker may be voting BBMolla, waiting on confirmation that is what they meant.

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

@Not_Mafia

Was 'Gastric Bypass' intended to be a serious vote on someone or not?

-ment

common suffix of Latin origin forming nouns, originally from French and representing Latin

-mentum

, which was added to verb stems to make nouns indicating the result or product of the action of the verb or the means or instrument of the action. In Vulgar Latin and Old French it came to be used as a formative in nouns of action. French inserts an

-e-

between the verbal root and the suffix (as in

commenc-e-ment

from

commenc-er

; with verbs in

ir

,

-i-

is inserted instead (as in

sent-i-ment

from

sentir

).

Used with English verb stems from 16c. (for example

amazement

,

betterment

,

merriment

, the last of which also illustrates the habit of turning

-y

to

-i-

before this suffix).

The stems to which

-ment

is normally appended are those of verbs; freaks like

oddment

&

funniment

should not be made a precedent of; they are themselves due to misconception of

merriment

, which is not from the adjective, but from an obsolete verb

merry

to rejoice. [Fowler]

Official Votecount 1.12

Not_Mafia (7): Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, Rannygazoo, chkflip, DrippingGoofball

[E-4]

MiniMegabyte (2): BBMolla, Vaxkiller
PlusJOYED (2): Titus, Luca Blight
Hayker (2): Andresvmb, quiet
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
quiet (1): Bypasser Catcher
DrippingGoofball (1): MiniMegabyte
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (2): Binatog13, Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

twenty (adj., n.)

"1 more than nineteen, twice ten; the number which is one more than nineteen; a symbol representing this number;" Old English

twentig

"group of twenty," from

twegen

"two" (from PIE root

*dwo-

"two") +

-tig

"group of ten" (see

-ty

(1)). Cognate with Old Saxon

twentig

, Old Frisian

twintich

, Dutch

twintig

, Old High German

zweinzug

, German

zwanzig

. Gothic

twai tigjus

is even more transparent: literally "two tens."

The card game

twenty-one

(1790) is from French

vingt-et-un

(1781).

Twenty-twenty hindsight

is first recorded 1962, a figurative use of the Snellen fraction for normal visual acuity, expressed in feet. The guessing game of

twenty questions

is recorded from 1786 (a late 19c. parlor variation on it was called

clumps

).

Official Votecount 1.14

Hayker (6): quiet, NorwegianboyEE, Rannygazoo, Andresvmb, BBMolla, Bypasser Catcher

[E-5]

Not_Mafia (5): Nero Cain, Norfolk Boy1, MiniMegabyte, Binatog13, DrippingGoofball
PlusJOYED (2): Titus, Luca Blight
Titus (1): PlusJOYE
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller
Bypasser Catcher (1): Gamma Emerald
Rannygazoo (1): chkflip
NorwegianboyEE (1): Not_Mafia
Andresvmb (1): Momrangal

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-01-16 23:15:00).

death (n.)

Old English

deaþ

"total cessation of life, act or fact of dying, state of being dead; cause of death," in plural, "ghosts," from Proto-Germanic

*dauthuz

(source also of Old Saxon

doth

, Old Frisian

dath

, Dutch

dood

, Old High German

tod

, German

Tod

, Old Norse

dauði

, Danish

død

, Swedish

död

, Gothic

dauus

"death"), from verbal stem

*dau-

, which is perhaps from PIE root

*dheu-

(3) "to die" (see

die

(v.)). With Proto-Germanic

*-thuz

suffix indicating "act, process, condition."

I would not that death should take me asleep. I would not have him meerly seise me, and onely declare me to be dead, but win me, and overcome me. When I must shipwrack, I would do it in a sea, where mine impotencie might have some excuse; not in a sullen weedy lake, where I could not have so much as exercise for my swimming. [John Donne, letter to Sir Henry Goodere, Sept. 1608]

Of inanimate things, "cessation, end," late 14c. From late 12c. as "death personified, a skeleton as the figure of mortality." As "a plague, a great mortality," late 14c. (in reference to the first outbreak of bubonic plague; compare

Black Death

).

Death's-head

, a symbol of mortality, is from 1590s.

Death's door

"the near approach of death" is from 1540s.

As a verbal intensifier "to death, mortally" (as in

hate (something) to death

) 1610s; earlier

to dead

(early 14c.). Slang

be death on

"be very good at" is from 1839. To

be the death

of "be the cause or occasion of death" is in Shakespeare (1596). Expression

a fate worse than death

is from 1810 though the idea is ancient.

Death row

"part of a prison exclusively for those condemned to capital execution" is by 1912.

Death knell

is attested from 1814;

death penalty

"capital punishment" is from 1844;

death rate

from 1859.

Death-throes

"struggle which in some cases accompanies death" is from c. 1300.

Official Votecount 1.END

Nero Cain (11): NorwegianboyEE, chkflip, quiet, Bypasser Catcher, Luca Blight, Momrangal, Norfolk Boy1, Binatog13, Nero Cain, BBMolla, Not_Mafia

[E-0]

Hayker (5): Rannygazoo, Titus, Andresvmb, Gamma Emerald
Not_Mafia (2): MiniMegabyte, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller

Not Voting (1): Hayker

With 20 players alive, an elimination has been achieved.

Now Goofball we don't color names red if we don't have a red flip.

PINKY SWEAR YOU WON'T I DON'T TRUST YOU

[chkflip]

Oh you bitch

[chkflip]

Why is that relevant?

Is this to me?

Yes.

[chkflip]

Wait?

@MOD:

It obviously wasn't purposeful, you nipped it. Its not my call but I don't think it needs to go up the chain. Just personal opinion.

[chkflip]

Ooh that's a really good catch actually, Andres.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Still always want more from Titus but I trust she'll get her time in soon. Definitely good with pressure here as well.

[chkflip]

Tbh I kind of just want this day to end so I can do my night action

VOTE: Hayker

VOTE: Nero Cain

I think Nero is town but I want day to end so whatever

E-1

Eh, yeah, fuckin maybe?

I don't mean to fence sit but fuck if I have anything than a hip "That's NAI" sorry.

[chkflip]

You're gonna have to walk the peanut gallery through how this works, exactly, because there's no way we were like a handful of votes away (several times) from eliminating two different scums and still only got one by D4 because Not_Mafia, is there?

[chkflip]

I feel like I've only played one or two games with Luca and, as much as that is usually enough to have a gauge... I don't at all remember the games. Just acknowledging the @everyone question to say I'll look. What's his connection with Not_Mafia?

[chkflip]

Chkflips reaction to the Mini death was terrible.

Unless I'm mistaken, I've not played with Math previously and the only mention I can think of to the name is the time Titus, their brother (All I remembered was it was SOMETHINGblade), and I drove to San Fran to play board games with a handful of scummers. Was a good time. Curious to know how my reaction was bad?

[chkflip]

Yo Titus, isn't Mathblade your brother or am I fucking up usernames again?

I'm going to claim and use my 1-shot Gelatinous Cube ability, hereby absorbing all of Nero Cain's reads and portraying them as my own moving forward.

VOTE: Titus

Because Titus is always scum, even when Nero is scum.

But for serious I'm curious what she's got for me.

heybbmolla elaborate

[chkflip]

What's most funny about DGB citing all the salty AtE is by God you better not scum read her lest you want the wrath of the ocean-saltiest AtE you've ever read.

So there's that.

[chkflip]

FTR DGB I'm not quick to jump on that because, contextually, at the time, I remember feeling (but not verbalizing) the same way by the end of D1. Especially when all I was looking for was for Nero to just not quit.

[chkflip]

Can I ask a question? Is Rolecop mafia or can be town too? Thanks!

VOTE: Norwegian

Looks suspicious. Norwegian is town. (Unless my definition about a role is wrong).

Wait, what are you claiming here?

NorwEE, care to chime in?

Was just looking back and we glossed right the fuck past this didn't we? By we I mean me. I glossed right the fuck past it.

Matter of fact: what does anyone think about this?

Titus' assertion that Hayker is implicated via VCA?

Beuller?

[chkflip]

I don't think that's what's being claimed.

[chkflip]

If he's claiming NorwEE was role copped, I'd like to know a) when, b) previous targets, and only tangentially c) why NorwEE?

I think we can reverse engineer this somehow, we just need all the puzzle pieces.

[chkflip]

Mmmm I'd like there to be some ambiguity so we're not handing the keys off so to speak. As long as Bin can confirm role cop -> NorwEE on night X is all that's really needed to start. Or no?

[chkflip]

Like yes Bin confirming probably some convoluted version of a voyeur would ease any doubt, but I don't think it's required is what I mean. As long as the information is confirmed, that's the important part. Unless you think I'm getting too noodly?

[chkflip]

Nero Cain (11): NorwegianboyEE, chkflip, quiet, Bypasser Catcher, Luca Blight, Momrangal, Norfolk Boy1, Binatog13, Nero Cain, BBMolla, Not_Mafia [E-0]
Hayker (5): Rannygazoo, Titus, Andresvmb, Gamma Emerald
Not_Mafia (2): MiniMegabyte, DrippingGoofball
Titus (1): PlusJOYED
MiniMegabyte (1): Vaxkiller
Not Voting (1): Hayker

I'm still waiting for the "pay dirt" from a Hayker flip, Titus?

And what did you mean earlier when you were talking about the night kills fucking with that?

Do you think -maybe- this alleged role cop might have something to do with that?

My VCA opinion (good shout quiet, I did kinda not do this didn't I): Gamma Emerald flipping red here would heavily implicate a bus. I heavily doubt DGB busses D1 and doesn't help hem up Nero instead. I also don't see but can understand the perception that molla alley-ooped N_M for the hammer.

GAMMA BABY TALK TO ME

[chkflip]

Oh you're hella behind. Hurry up ho.

Where's Joy or Hayker? How has neither amassed more than a single prod between them? That's fucking wild.

[chkflip]

Tickle my asshole while you're at it buddy damn.

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay, well you've been more right then me (technically). What do you think of Titus claiming Hayker is the way to go instead?

[chkflip]

Stole the words right out of my mouth.

[chkflip]

please let me die

I thought you were waiting for an Elim? There's been 3 already, as well as 3 NK's.

If you don't want to play then replace-out.

100% this. We have already had a suicidal townie this game, please don't be another. If you are that frustrated with the game, rather then devastate it for everyone please do the responsible thing and place out. This is a bit of a town tell, based on personal experience. Some of which played out in this game.

I missed Luca doing this so I'll say it to both of you: NOT A GOOD LOOK, BOB. ASKING SOMEONE TO REPLACE IS AGAINST SITE RULES. I know y'all didn't mean it maliciously, but just so you're aware this kind of talk is heavily frowned upon.

No matter how right you may or may not be.

[chkflip]

Wait. See I saw "Watcher" and thought, y'know, Watcher.

MathBlade

has been found dead. He was a

Town Role Watcher.

MathBlade - Town Role Watcher

You are a

Town Role Watcher

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Each night you may attempt to visit a player to watch them. You will learn the roles (but not alignments) of all other players who visit them. At the end of the night you will be informed "TARGETNAME was visited by

ROLENAME(s)

", "TARGETNAME was visited by

no one

", or "You got

no result

from watching TARGETNAME".

You win when all threats to the town are dead and at least 1 member of the town is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

How is this different from what Bin is claiming to have?

[chkflip]

VOTE: plusJOYED

[chkflip]

Yeah I thought that was kinda fever dreamy but I did completely overlook a claim, so. I think Mom just needs a couple me days or something likely. Seems it was a misinterpretation. I wouldn't take it to heart, quiet.

[chkflip]

That was me and you D1 about oh hahaha Not_Mafia's claim, go figure. It's D4. If Bin has info, it's too late -- he claimed so he really needs to share. Though I'm getting more and more wary because I see no difference in what Bin claimed v what we already have flipped from N1 unless my interpretation of what happened is way off the wall.

The difference between the discussion of D1 claims and D4 claims should be there but I'll be happy to reiterate if I'm at all confusing here.

[chkflip]

Re-read the Role Watcher that flipped and tell me Bin is claiming something different.

[chkflip]

Knowing 16 should be in 15 is mafia 101; forgetting to do so has a heavily negative connotation.

I call it the BBmolla tell.

#TrustTheProcess

Don't steal my schtick, bitch.

[chkflip]

Idk how to even process this right now. I had to search and find what lazy meant, that's a first for me. But like... that's the same role. There were 2 voyeurs!?

I am the confusion.

Role Watcher (fucking voyeur)
Odd Rolestop (doc variant?)
These are the pr flips

We now "know" (?) from someone claiming the same role as Math there's a Lazy Roleblocker and a Role Cop. Lazy implicitly means town from what I read?

[chkflip]

That's an incredibly circumstancial stance, don't you think?

Just because lazy implies the roleblocker is town doesn't mean I think they should claim either.

[chkflip]

DGB I think you and I have... universal... thinking here, right?

[chkflip]

Right, but you're assuming said cop has discernable information. So what if he could clear Mom? What protection does he have? A lazy potshot in the dark? I don't think it'd be wise for a town cop to claim here. If it were a cut/dry innocent/guilty cop then yes absolutely.

But someone saying "Mom is vanilla" then fucking dying tonight is not the pro strat. You're thinking far too linearly. We don't know how many of said cop's investigations are even alive or worthwhile for solving. Just IMO that'd be 100% up to that player. If people disagree I'm glad to just stfu with my antiqued way of viewing things.

[chkflip]

And what I'm telling you, Luca, is that you should be re-assessing the game anyway. Constantly. Reads are only so much, tells only so circumstantial, NKA and VCA only so leading or helpful, etc. Roles have their part when it is optimal, but not as a fail safe for your paticular reads. I hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you -- like I said when I introduced myself, I'm a reforming asshole -- I just couldn't disagree with you more if it weren't more than light evidence that doesn't help us further the current gamestate in a way that absolutely solves it. If said role cop could double clear bina and even one more that's been dangling for a while (like JOYED or Hayker, for example) but if that isn't the case then only clearing Mom isn't really +solve enough for me.

[chkflip]

All that being said I am definitely of the opinion that the roleblocker and the role cop aren't the same alignment. And although lazy IMPLIES the role blocker is town, it isn't (unless I missed something) outside the realm of possibility that lazy couldn't have been modified to mean one town pr or less so that it could apply to a scum role. Unless that's outside the confines of mafia scum normal I can't exactly dismiss the idea from my head.

[chkflip]

DGB I think you and I have... universal... thinking here, right?

Ahem.

[chkflip]

Be cool about it next time Goofy, fuck. >_> <_<

I was trying to go Secret Squirrel and you went Rocky and Bullwinkle come on

[chkflip]

Makes me think quiet might be scum given similar rationale was used on Nero why not try it again?

GIRL

BBmolla, Hayker, PlusJOYED, quiet

WHERE ARE WE GOING

Fucking disregard, then. Good.

[chkflip]

She's not talking about the slot, she's talking about the angle of attack.

Would you like to buy this shovel? It's only lightly used by BBmolla.

[chkflip]

and now doubly confused that Titus is referencing it

Okay.

Titus isn't saying you're sus because you suspect Mom. You don't. We've established that, we're good there. What Titus is saying is that "chk isn't playing the way I'd like" sounds an awful lot like "Nero isn't playing the way I'd like" and is correllating the mindset of the two with the fact that it worked in flipping Nero.

@Titus did I use the lawyery word right? I watched tons of Law and Order working up to this moment.

[chkflip]

Correlation, Titus. Goddamn it. I'm obv having too good a time I'll go take my blunt elsewhere.

[chkflip]

He's fine if he's quoting the uh whatchamacallit

quiet, I don't really think questioning anyone's D2/3 play is particularly worthwhile given the circumstance, but I'll concede the same as you. Like I said earlier, I didn't voice it but I was sure as hell just as bored as molla was with the day. So... that's fair? I definitely won't ever have a solve until it's too late (I've only called a proper scum team as town, like, once, Titus and DGB were in that game and it was for a super noodly reason) but I'd be remiss if I said a lack of desire to play against certain conditions was a scum tell while simultaneously refusing to vote BBmolla.

[chkflip]

I keep seeing my name. What I'm not seeing is reason, Luca. Causation. How do you look to engage me if all you're saying is my name? Just... curious. NorwEE, don't think this doesn't also apply to you.

[chkflip]

I look forward to it.

Mom, Mini wasn't Koba but fair points.

[chkflip]

Or rather Koba wasn't... Mini was... YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN WRONG SLOT

[chkflip]

PlusJOYED has more scum equity than BBmolla

PROVE ME WRONG

[chkflip]

Last time we played, I could understand your POV. And you seemed more careful. Here you aren’t really being careful. I mean, you threw out a completely emotional reason to begin questioning my slot (based on literally faulty logic), and your focus seems overly narrow.

Whatever, just an early take. Some folks are already trying to sideline you by calling your approach superficial and what not. There’s probably something there, but you haven’t questioned it much.

andres putting more effort at the start here to make up for last game or because he's scum?

VOTE: Plusjoyed

Actually I want to see something from this slot.

you will not

If i could vote both Hayker and Plusjoyed at the same time i probably would.

ur pfp is cute and cultured go hayker

no one else scumreads titus huh

Scum equity posting.

[chkflip]

I really prefer to only focus on associating to flips I know, not the hundred "what-ifs" assigned to my assertation. Are you disputing the equity here, or...?

[chkflip]

I do want to know where Titus is getting "Plus!town = Andres!scum" exactly (I think I see it?) but it isn't usually a conversation I find myself getting heavily involved in. I don't solve with long lists of potential scum teams. It honestly boils down to something I have always and will always follow. If the conversation holds more WIFOM bullshit in it than fact, miss me on that one.

If I had a scum team's worth of associatives to Not_Mafia I'd say so. But would that be my solve? Fuck no, that's preposterous.

Pedit: With PlusJOYED? Yes, absolutely. VCA (sheep Titus), showed examples of an unwillingness to play the game they signed up for or replaced into or what the hell ever (I have meta as all alignments being against this shit), and it's fucking D4. If you aren't helping further the game then you need to go away, period.

[chkflip]

Eh. Plus' 296 adds some credence to that tangentially.

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED
VOTE: PlusJOYED

Does this bother you, Titus?

[chkflip]

Sorry, 294. It's like four posts up I just quoted it.

[chkflip]

Don't be petty.

That actually applies to both of you.

[chkflip]

I get it but it also skirts that "replace out" "play against your wincon" mentality. I'm being cheeky, mostly. Eight days is a good amount of time. From VC to now, we're currently at: BBmolla or PlusJOYED. Small wagon on Luca needs to get louder if it wants to be taken more seriously. There shouldn't be three people with their vote out of use at this stage.

[chkflip]

It isn't suicidal. It's refusing to play which, again, for those taking notes, has been exhibited TWICE throughout the game. Completely different argument.

[chkflip]

BBMolla is being rightly pressured for calling the votes on Cheeky boring

You think E-2 is good for being bored D1?

That's really what you're saying to me right now?

[chkflip]

Vote Plus.

[chkflip]

No. The angle of attack on their wagons is similar.

[chkflip]

Elaborate.

[chkflip]

Wdym
Don’t think it passes me that you said that and then BBMolla jacked up the AtE

The angle of attack has been steadily the same all phase, so molla throwing a fit has little to do with me. It isn't even the first mention as Titus pointed out to quiet about his angle on me. And if you see a reaction to "the thing," surely you have some idea of what's being talked about.

[chkflip]

I’m being shaded as a result of wagon analysis that seems bogus

To my understanding, you're only being shaded in the event JOYED flips town and I'm not entirely certain I (or anyone for that matter) follows that train of thought precisely as Titus currently is. Do you think JOYED flips town here?

[chkflip]

Stuff like this is why I SR you, Chkflip.

And?

You take this stance while completely ignoring all the reasoning I've given behind BBMolla being scum, and why the game-state points to plusJOYED more likely being Town.

Flase. I've stated my read. I've stood by said read since the beginning of the game. Is it possible my BBmolla read is wrong? Of course it is. But do I think I'm wrong? You've given me no reason to believe as much.

Your scum tells are superfluous and innaccurate.

Your reasons are either weak or NAI for BBmolla IME w him.

PlusJOYED has two instances in which they've denoted they ARE NOT playing.

PlusJOYED has tied voting pattern aligned to flipped scum. That's probably the most important part here, no?

THE GAMESTATE. Heh. The gamestate is what it is because one scum traded themselves for... little to no reason, it seems, other than some sort of distraction maybe? Maf was a sinking ship I guess?

Your read is your read. Mine is mine. To say I've ignored you is fallacious and misleading, don't you think?

In general your posts haven't been that bad (although not that great either) but you're guilty by association with BBMolla and Titus from where I'm standing.

Everything before but is about as good as I aim for, so, like, I understand this isn't meant to be complimentary... but thank you?

As far as everything after the but goes, well, I currently town read both of those slots. So being associated with them isn't so bad from my point of view as it stands.

[chkflip]

Here’s what’s going to happen:

"Plus flips town"
Titus: My god, a totally not active slot flipped town who could have seen this coming? Good thing my trusty VCA™ confirms Andres as scum now, whew. Who could have seen that one coming?

And what do you expect town's reaction to be, exactly?

"Town: Aw, geez. It's okay, Titus! Let's go!"?

Don't be goofy, Nor. I think Titus' current theory re: PlusJOYED is sound. That's what I'm following.

[chkflip]

You asked me why I SR you, remember?

Ha! I clearly don't. That's my bad.

Nah, you did ignore my points and you're still ignoring/dismissing them even now.

Ignoring means I've seen and have not responded to them, right? Because I feel like I've done the opposite of that. I've engaged you with your read, I've given my opinion, and I've discussed it further with others.

That's hardly ignoring.

Now, dismissing? That's far more accurate but not in the "I'm right, you're wrong, get used to it" sort of way. It's just the nature of the beast when we have such polar opposite opinions. There's less than nothing I can do about that.

I'd like to know more about your reads in general. I feel as though you've kept your cards quite close to your chest in this regard.

Read lists help scum. I'll participate eventually but for the most part I keep to a small unit of trustees that'll change with reads. Titus, molla, and DGB are in my most likely for sures right now and looking at that group of names now it's probably more because I've played with them enough that I feel like I can read them. My reads on them aren't entirely meta but it certainly helped a lot.

It isn't that I'm opposed to discussing reads, obviously, but everyone giving full-on battle strats and setting up "if/then" scenarios and so on and so forth... Idk. Its never really been the part or the game I focused on.

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We have so many elims we need to go through :/

This is where the ghost of Bypasser Catcher floats in, flailing madly about, trying desperately to grab attention toward their posts about *checks notes* oh right a townbloc.

For real though if the first vote count of the day says anything at all, it tells us that we're way too fucking divided for this not to be a long game.

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Probably scum, the only thing that bothers me is that my spidey senses sense it might be RL trouble.

Last I played with them, they subbed out as my scum partner because of (correct me if I'm wrong, Gamma) toxicity in the thread? RL might be a factor but the two posts that blatantly say "I'm not playing this game" tell me to promptly fucking ignore that noise.

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By my count you have approximately six hours until a replacement is sought out for PlusJOYED. Vax saying they'll vote Plus is weird but understandable given the nature of their stance. E-2, wants more content, etc. But it's sitting weird in my lasagna.

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I for one appreciate Binatog's formal approach.

It's miles off base in this instance but I appreciate it.

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I just woke up! The audacity. I have information but it isn't the type of information that is particularly useful unless I do this thing where I go "sure, I'll claim, but not until after Mom and DGB claim" in some sort of headstrong move where I could mechanically corner them if they answer incorrectly.

Role Cop is definitely scum atp holy shit these flips.

p.s. Nor "This VCA seems like bullshit X is town by play" is the exact reason VCA is helpful. It doesn't always hit, but town by play/tone people have been caught and flipped by it.

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Ah, good. Remember how I told you that yesterday?

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It's not that exciting, DGB has a 50% chance of guessing her way out if trouble if there were any. I don't think there is, but, y'know.

It's possible.

I'm being super vague on purpose btw. I hope people understand.

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You wouldn't like it if I claimed to the tee.

You can't lie to me, woman.

Speaking of fabricating role claims, well it seems almost out of character for you not to claim... doesn't it?

Vanilla or not vanilla would suffice in all honesty.

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How very vanilla of you, Titus.

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That's... crazy detailed. Exactly why I use it (and I trust you to regardless of alignment give me a jumping point). But technically that post is IIoA. Heh.

Pedit: you're being very persnickety for someone who was counter offered.

I know whether Titus, Mom, quiet, and you are vanilla or not. In that order. My reads have followed that train if you'd like to go back and check. No crumbs, but before I knew there was whatever the fuck a Doctor Tracker is flip TOWN I'm very much in the camp that the Role Cop is scum.

I did say Mom was vanilla before she claimed it, though.

I said that at some point yesterday.

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That is correct. There's a modifier but if you don't mind I'd rather I kept it to myself, tyvm.

Can you not see the reason I might be non-specific?

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There's my work. It's now date night. TTYL.

He'd better treat you right. <3
Have a good time.

That's how you respond to that, not like a dick.

Give it a try next time.

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Lazy Roleblocker does double dip, but there's a lot of that in this setup. The Lazy bit could POSSIBLY be a misnomer (which would be an easy thing for me to latch on because GOOFBALL IS BEING VERY UNPLEASANT WITH ME) but the Rolestopper was gated, I've got a modifier, Goof has a modifier, the Voyeur was weird, etc etc. I wouldn't put too much stock in a "town is too strong" rhetoric until I see more red flips.

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How does Vanilla cop help town, just claim everything, who the fuck cares about the modifier? What are your targets?

How does Voyeur help town? It's a piece of the overall puzzle. If there's a way to game this I'd love to hear it.

I gave my targets. Are you paying attention, Vax?

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Chkflip's ISO shows at certain points that he is trying to force any role cops to claim.

This is actually the opposite of what I was doing, so it's super fucking weird to me that this is your narrative. Especially since wasn't it you who was pushing for "if the Role Cop doesn't claim, Mom is cleared and they're scum" if I recall?

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Meanwhile, chkflip is keeping a low profile.

This is the stuff I was talking about last game. You get yourself in this position where you think you're right and fuck absolutely everything else. It's uncomfortable ("YeH cUz U sCuM" no bitch I was town last time this happened, pay attention) and I've little reason to continue on with you if you aren't going to remain reasonable and have a conversation with me.

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Now, to go back and reply to the things that piqued my interest WHILE I WAS FUCKING ASLEEP.

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Mm, Goof. I get a little snippy below and now I feel a little bad but the sentiment remains regardless of colorful language.

Titus/Chkflip are super likely based on Chkflips defense of Titus and calling them Vanilla here. It's probably a fake result on their buddy.

How have I defended Titus, precisely?

> I gave VCA a chance yesterday because, believe it or not, it *CAN* and *HAS* worked in games ad nauseum (why else would it exist if it didn't work for towns?).

As a point of fact, there's an outlier from yesterday's VCA that flew under the radar to the point where they didn't even get votes. We'll call back to this shortly.

> I've been very vocal about how I didn't SEE or BELIEVE that Andres could be scum from a Plus town flip via Titus' VCA. I'd go so far as to say this isn't what defending an alleged partner looks like, hm?

I have town read Titus, not defended them. Significant difference.

How about I legit am right?

I think you may have been, but we ignored it.

VOTE: momrangle

What the fuck?

• He claimed vanilla cop, a role that is a
  subset
  of rolecop.
  
• He won't name his modifier and refuses to explain why.
  
• I have not noticed a list of all his night choices. Did I miss it?

• I don't believe I was specific.
  
• I haven't named it, correct. Saying I refused is blatantly exaggerating. Again.
  
• And that's not even fucking true, bud. Shocking.

Chkflip is cleared by my VCA.

Verbiage. I'm not confirmed anything, please don't push the narrative otherwise.

But hey, let's fix this.

VOTE: Hayker

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Happy birthday, moderator. <3

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Vaxkiller i see you online periodically. Can you help me understand what you’re up to.

Surely I hope you know "they're online but not posting" is not a tell, correct? I'm saying neither that's your implication here, nor would I be opposed to it from a certain PoE, but only that it isn't exactly a fair shake to say anything about someone's presense online until they've become a point of contention in an active lurk way that swooped way under everyone.

Oh, speaking of Hayker.

Why haven't we eliminated there?

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Like

Post stamps. Time of wagon D1. Voting pattern. Bus vote. It was PlusJOYED/Hayker and we went the wrong way, guys. There's no way this lurksack shit isn't intentional.

Whomever is town casing Hayker: fucking WHY? Talk to me.

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It's cute to me because neither of you have done much at all in the way of actually engaging me. Just zOMG cop claim, eliminate the cop? The logic train seems to have left the station.

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Am I supposed to be moved here, Goofball?

Because one of us has a chain of night actions that actually makes sense for my role and alignment, whereas you... are a Goofball.

And here I've seen zero defense for Hayker because it's fucking indefensible. So can we stop pointing fingers at one another and eliminate scum?

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That's a lot of words for "I don't like the way you interacted with Goofball," but I appreciate the effort. Your opinion of how I conduct myself means very little to me, excuse me, and the only line with actual merit (and the only reason I've not absolutely volcanically exploded) is the last line of the post. Something we both know I've literally no way of refuting without Bina confirming my role's existence and even Nero Cain knows that isn't going to be a profitable plan.

Goofball herself said she thought I was setting up to claim her role, so you'll have to bring more to the table if you think a small handful of posts where I'm mostly being cheeky while simultaneously being rung up, all while playing ball mind you, is some sort of indication that I'm some mastermind here trying to puppeteer you to your death.