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[NorwegianboyEE]

Hello familiar and new faces.

Luca how is your return to Mafia Scum treating you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we can’t trust a miller claim then what is there left for us to believe.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A coin flip is 50% scum/town probability

If we assume this game has like 4 scum or 5 then it’s closer to 25% likely any slot would be mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well he’s still right it’s faulty thinking.

If i roll town 10 times in a row that doesn’t make it somehow more likely that i roll scum if the chance of being mafia is always lower than the chance of being town.
It’s like assuming that because i didn’t get a rare drop from Gacha in the first 50 pulls then i’ll get it nect time, even if the chance to get a rare drop is perhaps as low as 0.06%

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is it an serious claim?
Sometimes there are joke claims for miller in RVS so just want to be sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Have you ever fake claimed Miller before

yeah as scum

Could you please provide the game for reference.

We Didn't Playtest This

I just had a laugh seeing that after months of playing everybody lost in that game. Like how does that even happen? Hilarious.

It’s what happens when you don’t playtest your game obvs

[NorwegianboyEE]

NPOM is pretty basic and superficial with his scum hunting as usual.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So basically BBMolla claims mason every day of the week?
How am i supposed to take your claim in this game seriously?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Miller*
Not mason

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn, Chkflip came in like a wrecking ball.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero Cain is town.

Maybe.
That was a pretty quick conclusion tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus is just mad i rekd them so bad in that newbie and now they want

revenge

.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm aware of the fallacy but from an emotional standpoint there's still some validity there I think. I'm not saying hes scum butonestly I will look for any excuse to bypass Rvs.

Don’t worry I had a feeling that you were really just trying to push me in some sort of way to get a reaction and see if you can figure out my alignment from that. Unfortunately it just won’t be that easy. I’ll try and make it obvious to you this is still my Town self though.

Idk bro your vibe’s kind of off
VOTE: Andres

I agree with this.
It seems like an overly quick conclusion for such an dubious claim to believe it and nit only that but call it: "the towniest miller claim"
Not the strongest case but i like it as my first wagon.
VOTE: Andresvmb

[NorwegianboyEE]

They haven’t posted yet?
Ouch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh they have.
But after looking at the ISO they might as well not have.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn, Chkflip came in like a wrecking ball.

Interesting reaction. But what does it mean?

That was a pretty quick conclusion tho.

WhyEE?

For question 1:
It means you came in with a surprisingly big thread presence and a large voice so i just commented on that. Nothing more to it.

For question 2:
While i could see getting some townpings from Nero based on their initial posts maybe, coming to the conclusion he is town is a bit hasty to me. I'm not sold yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you a tennis racket?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you following up superfluous statements with meaningless questions?

To see if it annoys you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You jumping so quickly on such a crappy argument could be argued to be Scummy. We’ll see.

Either it’s scummy or it’s not m8.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh are you a tryhard Andre.
Maybe ur town then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Someone that puts a lot of effort into the game and acts all serious.
They are usually town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: MiniMegabyte
Mini, i distinctly remember your meta as scum is to do literally nothing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You guys have reasons?

My reason is: "Oh cool, a wagon!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

For a 20 player game it's pretty tame so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cheerio, guv'nah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: MiniMegabyte
Mini, i distinctly remember your meta as scum is to do literally nothing.

Well that was a very long time ago Im not scum here haha

Very long time ago? Isn't it just like 1 month since the end of Newbie 2037?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm sure he'll say yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m just trying to think if the behavior is Scum trying to figure out how to enter the game (and thinks that making a comment about the pace will make them look Townie?), or Town that hasn’t found the time to read what’s going on yet and is just putting that out there.

Why not wait to see instead of just throwing out what we might all be thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andre do you have any reads you'd like to share right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bina really be milking that newbie card for all it’s worth, but i don’t think it’s scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The Mini wagon seems decent in general actually. Norwegian is the only one I'm not particularly getting town vibes from.

Why though?
And why is the wagon decent otherwise in your opinion?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No strong reactions to the Mini wagon makes me feel they could be town.
I don't really have a strong read on them otherwise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Rannygazoo

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not voting someone else because i care what Luca thinks about my vote. I just wanted to see how the gamestate would look if i voted there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t like some of Gazoo’s posts. They ping me.
Like the one where he told investigatives he wouldn’t stop them from targetting a player.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No strong reactions to the Mini wagon makes me feel they could be town.
I don't really have a strong read on them otherwise.

This seems a little premature.

If Mini were scum, what reactions would you expect following that wagon?

More than indifference.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Their insistence on Binatog being likely newb!scum than anything was also pretty meh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NPOM is unreadable. If any investigative role out there wants to check them tonight, don’t let me stop you.

Are you crumbing RB?

Are you role fishing?

Would scum blatantly rolefish like this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So because i’m not 100% doubling down on pushing a slot on early day 1 that’s barely posted when there are 20 slots to get reads on.
Cheeky claims i’m "tmi-ing"
Fucking lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't really get why norway unvoted mini after stating that this is/was mini's scum meta.

They did this as scum in a game but that doesn’t really mean it’s their scum meta? Tbf i don’t know if they play like this when town as well. I’m not overly familiar with the difference between their town/scum play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are there any particular votes onto the wagon that you dislike?

I can’t think of any.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure why, if you’re going to argue with the line that i fall to peer pressure, why i didn’t just keep voting on the Mini wagon and argue that it’s the best wagon created in all time and cheer for Mini’s destruction rather than questioning it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m referring to your line: "give in to peer pressure".

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not gonna explain my vote again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know what's going on

I'm townreading Titus

That's gotta be a first (I'm not counting fake townreading her like I did last time I rolled scum).

Do you usually scumread town!Titus?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you usually scumread town!Titus?

You'd be fairly hard pressed to find someone who doesn't. The defacto site meta is Titus is scum.

Is that so? What i meant was if they usually only scumread Titus as town so far or if they always scumread Titus as both allignments,

[NorwegianboyEE]

Binatog, can you make a constructive comment that's not just complaining about the amount of posts or people?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bad vote

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think your read on those not me are bad tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bad vote

Tell me why

I haven’t been scummy at all in regards to my interaction with your wagon and i think that if you are town then you should be able to see that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually think DGB has been somewhat shady as well, so seeing Ranny vote there does give me second thoughts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s also somewhat towny how Ranny calls out and votes someone that called them town.
Screw it.
VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i’m finally starting to get out of RVS and get decent reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i should have sorta explained that it was more a callback to their scum behaviour in the newbie we had and not actually their "scum" scum meta i was getting at.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I did.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh i think Minis been somewhat townie these recent pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, why on earth is it scummy to say 3 scumreads in a 20 player game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oops I meant to post this in my scum PT.

U joking about being scum makes me wanna vote you harder.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamma, why are you so cantankerous this game?

Why are you so Kafkaesque about your terminology?

Just type like a normal person!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero it’s day 1.
You don’t need to powersolve and get all scum in one go. How about just making sure we get 1 today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

imagine getting pissed about someone using a single big word

I’m not pissed in the slightest.
I’m joking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How is it you want to play exactly?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Goofball’s got the potential to be a great wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NPOM as scum would be evident at some point i feel.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk the meta here.

You literally said the exact same thing in your previous post.
Can you please just give us a reads list or something.
If you’re just popping in to say "lol idk anything guys" then you might as well just not post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, with the debacle with NPOM I could see BBMolla claiming and retracting Miller as a WIFOM “why would scum do that” play

Or they’re just trolling.
I find it completely NAI.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree with Titus in that NPOM is playing townie, Cheeky has just been shading every single player so far so not really a fan of them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Call me Norwee for short. EE sounds so impersonal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Any more reads you wanna share?

Titus, Nero Cain, Minimegabyte, NPOM, Binatog13, BBmolla, Andresvmb, Chkflip are town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

heybbmolla heybbmolla heybbmolla

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's a nice townie entry.
++

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Nero Cain
How willing would you be to tag team a wagon on Cheeky.
I think you're wrong about Mini.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game needs an actual good push to get some good discussion going.

[NorwegianboyEE]

nero's bad reads probably make him town tbh

and this is pssible TMI. How does he know the alignments of 5 other players? If not why are my reads "bad"?

lmfao

not helping

your fucking logic is ridiculous here nero do I actually need to explain why it's ridiculous

yes

Lol this is town!Nero.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@norweigianEE, how do you propose to give the game a push?

@gamma cheeky could be scummy, but not with the info I have. If you have a better read I’m happy to hear it. Otherwise, it feels better to push there in a day or two from my perspective. I’m not discrediting the suspicion, just don’t like that wagon rn.

It’s my understanding that it’s good to push productive wagons, especially this early in the day? But maybe I’m missing something. Is cheeky your most scummy read?

Yeah she is, and you say Cheeky isn’t scummy rn, but the key elements of her play seems to be shading others and useless commentary. That’s not what I expect from Cheeky nor what I expect from town. And her post announcing her leaving is a sign that she’s meeting some nebulous quota of content and then buggering off. Scum do that so they are seen as giving content but also have more wanted from them, keeping themselves just beyond the threshold of being voted by seeming useful.

VOTE: cheekyteeky

Sorry guys for the mass spam I don't have much time but that should be enough stirring until my return xx

This is a scum approach

*sees post number* Nice.

Just do the gamestate a favor and just start from the beginning.

I’ve been considering re-reading but still fuck you.

Basically what i’ve been wanting to say about Cheekys slot from the beginning, but you put it much nicer. Thank you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Cheekyteeki
Let’s gooo~

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game needs an actual good push to get some good discussion going.

How do you suggest we do this?

Well for starters. You could vote Cheekibreeki.
Consolidation onto a scummy slot is always a great way to gain consensus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quiet you. (lol)
Let’s vote first and ask questions later.
Remember we need 11 votes to actually even get an elimination. If any of these wagons so far have been on scum i doubt they’ve felt threatened.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it can happen relative often. I think i’ve done it myself in many scum games where i’m not motivated.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can see reactions of people around and they will come back eventually.
I don’t see why it’s illegal to wagon a slot just because they’re not here yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like, they’re afk ok.
But all their content so far has been scummy.
Are we going to leave it aline just because they dip?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game needs an actual good push to get some good discussion going.

I've actually found this game to be quite refreshing so far, with decent discussion with minimal shit posting. Do you just not like any of the current wagons?

Actually i like this.
Competing wagons between Cheeky/Mini makes the game much easier for me to read in terms of finding scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game needs an actual good push to get some good discussion going.

I've actually found this game to be quite refreshing so far, with decent discussion with minimal shit posting. Do you just not like any of the current wagons?

Actually i like this.
Competing wagons between Cheeky/Mini makes the game much easier for me to read in terms of finding scum.

There have been other wagons...

Did none of them ping you?

Idk what you mean.
I haven’t found them as compelling if that’s what you’re asking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually that does sound really weird.
Slipping that their scumread on Mini isn’t real?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meaning I could vote for either. Mini talks about cheeky being a scum read, but never votes that way, and questions people about their cheeky read.

The reason I want mini more is because it gives 2 decent town clears.

Ok. But reading your initial comment it came across as: "I will vote Mini now, but am going to vote Cheeky instead later", as in you was only really fine with Cheeky.
Which town clears btw?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m starting to understand Binatog’s posting pattern. The game can be hard to break into, and there’s lots of little threads that lead nowhere.

Quiet’s defense of mini by asking for references and notarized forms feels like sealioning.

What?
Can you explain in more detail everything you just said?

[NorwegianboyEE]

We are 26 pages in no reason to get too serious about reads yet.

Why should page counts of all things decide how serious we are?

[NorwegianboyEE]

We are 26 pages in no reason to get too serious about reads yet.

Why should page counts of all things decide how serious we are?

Are you okay Norway?

Um yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm just saying how sure can you be that someone is scum at this point?

I don’t see the point in this wishy washy nonsense when we’re trying to garner support for the elimination of a slot.
How are we supposed to get decent reads otherwise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hate him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really do hate him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

U'd be mad too if every game with him he pushes your slot for shit reasons and makes town lose the game and he doesn't even feel bad about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

U'd be mad too if every game with him he pushes your slot for shit reasons and makes town lose the game and he doesn't even feel bad about it.

I'm not Not_Mafia.

Ok, i wasn't going to bother responding to you at all.
But since you claim to not be him i'll engage you in good faith.
Why are you voting me. Also are you scumreading Nero?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You know, if I saw several votes on me after being away for a while, I’d feel rather pressured.

You know what, I concede the point entirely. I’m coming out of newbie setup with 9 players, where wagons build a lot faster-I’d be less happy with quicker pushes for VLA people there. In a larger game, it’s totally reasonable. These wagons need a lot of inertia to get moving.

You should have seen the 50 player large that was running at some point.
We needed 26 votes for majority.
It was hell.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok.
Go for it.
Shoot someone.
#Yolo

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should join the pressure vote Norfolk.
Vanity wagons are of the devil.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When you vanity wagon you are voting with HITLER!

[This slogan brought to you by the US political warfare department, 1944]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who is the resident senile senior citizen?
Why are you predisposed to not liking me? What does that mean?
What is space Hydra?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I honestly think all claims so far are just jokes or BS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Momrangal is prob town too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hayker. PlusJOYED. Cheeky.

I want to eliminate one of these slots as things stand.

I wouldn't be against an lim on either of these.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Slots that i wish were more vocal -> Andresvmb, Nero Cain

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norfolk Boy1
What makes you believe there are "easy targets"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also in my brain, if this is such an obvious scumtell, why wouldn’t scum just...not do it?

When you are town you don't know who the mafia are, you will benaturally inquisitive and curious. Questioning, active.
As scum you know who the town and scum already are, which makes solving impossible because you don't want to point town to the right direction and thusly you can only fake solve, which takes a lot more effort.
That is why.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Take a look at the burst of activity from Cheeky, it was a classic scum way of dialoguing.
They didn't come to any conclusions, they didn't seem to actually work towards a solve. They just said some random slot was town and then proceeded to shade a bunch of slots for their text. And since then they haven't done much else.
I fail to see the town motivation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually they didn't even post a townread now that i look over their ISO. Just did a bunch of scummy shading.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It doesn't really matter what you think is optimal. People play different, it's just how we are.
Sometimes scum are lurkey and don't do much, sometimes they powerplay and are some of the more active slots, sometimes they are middle of the range. You just have to work it out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry, but i had to make this meme.

Spoiler:

Y do scum scumtell?


Y don't they just... not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still find your slots reads cringeworthy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think Rannygazoo is particurarly townie for what it's worth.
Did Luca explain why he found Gazoo townie for their push there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mini has been dropping from my reads with how they haven't showed up since that one time they came back on, so a Mini wagon may not be as bad as i thought, but i'd still like to keep voting Cheeky for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also they seem to be avoiding this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Andre is making a good point, and it doesn’t seem like the planned kind of bad, but more like a "i’m just genuinely asking a question" vibe.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you going there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Humor me Mini, why am i a scumread of yours at this point?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bypasser you haven't read the game. Your reads suck.
Be better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Momrangal is prob town too.

Why?
Btw would you say you are outside of your scum range atp?

I sensed no scum motivation from their interaction with me earlier. It just pinged me as town.
If i'm outside of my scum range? Well i'm not gonna tell you what to think. I want to hear what other people have to say. I'm not gonna perform some self-evaluation like i'm on a job interview.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bypasser you haven't read the game. Your reads suck.
Be better.

Interesting take. Anything useful to say though?

Everything i've said is useful.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Humor me Mini, why am i a scumread of yours at this point?

I just feel you are playing differently than you did in a game we last played and you were town and its mostly paranoia that it could be you being scum or I am probably just over thinking it completely but I have this feeling I am going to drop the scum read on you and then you will turn out to be scum... just a feeling I have

Which game was that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian, what was your read on NPOM?

I thought they were likely just town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you link some scumgames where you posted a lot?

Uhhhh...
Tbh i don't think i have any.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It depends on your definition of "posting a lot"
There are no or extremely few scum games where i consistently have this level of engagement all the way.
There might be some where i have a lot of posts from bursts of engagement or because i fight players 1v1 and spam a lot of attacks. But i usually have longer periods of breaks even in those.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh.
I think i know ur main now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No alts can hide from me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do alts even work?

You create a new account, type your main in the designated box while registrating so admins know it's you and then sign up to a game.
It's easy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

After reading #858 i suspected it was you.
After further cross-examination i realized it was 100% you.
Won't spoil tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you link some scumgames where you posted a lot?

Uhhhh...
Tbh i don't think i have any.

You do ...

Which games are you thinking about?
I, like you. Wasn't very active in the newbie we had.
So where did you gain the info that i can also be active as scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm town on Bypasser Catcher as well, and i think i understand what their mindset so far has been.

[NorwegianboyEE]

These are my reads right now.

Town

- Nero Cain
- Titus
- Vaxkiller
- DrippingGoofball
- Momrangal
- quiet
- Bypasser Catcher
- Luca Blight
- Norfolk Boy1
- Gamma Emerald
- BBMolla
- chkflip
- Andresvmb

Suspicious

- MiniMegabyte
- Rannygazoo
- Binatog13

Scummy

- CheekyTeeky
- PlusJOYED
- Hayker

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey fam, I've got some time to catch up today 30 pages is fine...reading now.

CheekyTeeky still hasn't posted since this btw.
Pretty much a scum claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Live feed from Cheeky caught scumming on their computer:

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm sure you might know more about that Norwegian

Are you trying to provoke me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you link some scumgames where you posted a lot?

Uhhhh...
Tbh i don't think i have any.

You do ...

Which games are you thinking about?
I, like you. Wasn't very active in the newbie we had.
So where did you gain the info that i can also be active as scum?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=84696 you had the most posts in the game

I actually genuinely didn't realize that. I thought i had less LOL.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess that probably sufficient proof that Bypasser Catcher and Not_Mafia are not the same player?

Yeah, but i already knew that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was going to post "They are here to troll the game" to ruin their intro, but i thought of it too late.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you please not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Where did DK come from

Dkkoba alt slipping.

@Mizzy
Can you please clean up those spamposts and give a warning to both players.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, I think it’s weird that I’m not higher in your townreads considering that you were sheeping me for a bit.

I just didn't like your push on Norfolk Boy. But you're more null than scummy to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

you and your Nor this and Nor that how about you XOR out of here huh

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mom I’ll tell you,

I didn't realize your mother was in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This isn’t helping us solve the game.
I’m still scumreading NM/Cheeky slot for previous behaviour.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mini is a she btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Reason for replacement aside.
Their slot was scummy, was given a chance to prove they were town and didn’t.
Then NM started trolling.

They still haven’t towntold whatsoever and i think it would be a good elimination for today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which townreads are wrong?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quiet just seemed very town to me for their entrance.
But i suppose you have a fair point that they can’t be completely trusted yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is Not_Mafia even readable?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm trying to keep the scope of my attention today mostly to visible wagons (mini, cheeky, plus, etc), people that stand out for some reason (the aggressive Bypasser, high-frequency-king Norwegian), or reactions/responses to me as it helps keep it manageable.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero you were obvtown by this point in our last game, why are you so toned down here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is this a omgus or do you actually have real reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is Not_Mafia just trolling Scum? Because yeah their response about Nero was clearly made in jest, but I don’t think the overall list is.

For example, I can understand some of the skepticism thrown Norwegian’s way. Norwegian if I have it right, you’ve jumped on 3 different wagons (Mini, DGB, Cheeky/Not_Mafia) just when they appeared to be gathering momentum.

I've voted Mini and DGB because i wanted a wagon to spur discussion but they weren't strong scumreads by any means at those points. Cheeky/Not Mafia is one of the first wagons i genuinely believe in.
So to say i "jumped" on 3 different wagons is a bit wrong because it's an really one-dimensional way of thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gamestate just declared not_mafia town. The fact hes at hammer distance this fast with no real cooperation between townies shows it.
Town are just voting bc of playstyle dislike and scum are piling on.

Tbh i could see it. As has been said, Hayker popped out of nowhere.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now let's eliminate scum Norweegaboo

Like you're either scum or an absolute idiot. There's no middle ground.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is Not_Mafia just trolling Scum? Because yeah their response about Nero was clearly made in jest, but I don’t think the overall list is.

For example, I can understand some of the skepticism thrown Norwegian’s way. Norwegian if I have it right, you’ve jumped on 3 different wagons (Mini, DGB, Cheeky/Not_Mafia) just when they appeared to be gathering momentum.

I've voted Mini and DGB because i wanted a wagon to spur discussion but they weren't strong scumreads by any means at those points. Cheeky/Not Mafia is one of the first wagons i genuinely believe in.
So to say i "jumped" on 3 different wagons is a bit wrong because it's an really one-dimensional way of thinking.

It took you this long to say this?

It was asked before?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can we at least consolidate onto the PlusJOYED wagon to breathe some life back into this day? It feels atm like we're going through the motions and Not_Mafia's elim is inevitable.

Fair enough to me. I've got PlusJoyed/Not_Mafia/Hayker all in my PoE and could switch my vote to any if there is desire for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is Not_Mafia just trolling Scum? Because yeah their response about Nero was clearly made in jest, but I don’t think the overall list is.

For example, I can understand some of the skepticism thrown Norwegian’s way. Norwegian if I have it right, you’ve jumped on 3 different wagons (Mini, DGB, Cheeky/Not_Mafia) just when they appeared to be gathering momentum.

I've voted Mini and DGB because i wanted a wagon to spur discussion but they weren't strong scumreads by any means at those points. Cheeky/Not Mafia is one of the first wagons i genuinely believe in.
So to say i "jumped" on 3 different wagons is a bit wrong because it's an really one-dimensional way of thinking.

It took you this long to say this?

It was asked before?

No I just mean you seemed to be around, except when I put my thoughts out there and some votes for Not_Mafia came out and you just appeared to completely avoid the thread until it was obvious Not_Mafia wasn’t going to be executed and you had to respond. That’s what I mean.

I don't know what you mean, i was watching youtube videos so i wasn't "around".

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a really dumb point you're making.
So if i go to take a dump then i'm "avoiding the thread", yeah right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Want me to post my search history. I think i've got an log stating i was rapidly switching between youtube videos ahahaha.
Plz kill me if mafia games end up like this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like i've stated earlier.
Tryhards are usually town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I tend to be scumread as town a lot by players because of my playstyle just saying.
Is there anything you think is scummy about me that's not just playstyle choice Andresvmb?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not Mafia what's your read on Hayker/Plusjoyed?

[NorwegianboyEE]

They're both in my accepted limlist today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is going on with ur reads NM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In post 1054, Luca Blight wrote:
Can we at least consolidate onto the PlusJOYED wagon to breathe some life back into this day? It feels atm like we're going through the motions and Not_Mafia's elim is inevitable.

Fair enough to me. I've got PlusJoyed/Not_Mafia/Hayker all in my PoE and could switch my vote to any if there is desire for it.

Could we do Hawker instead?
They’re here right now, and more scummy to me than plus atm.

VOTE: Hayker

I personally still feel comfortable with NM today, but that’s strictly holding the line the fact that I know I won’t be able to read NM and thought cheeky was scummy.

But I liked my nickname. PrimeFighter. It’s probably an insult that I don’t understand but it was nice anyway.

PrimeFighter is the slot you replaced into. They never posted.

Uh oh now I have to redo my readslist

Also i'm not sure i understand this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: PlusJoyed
Idk wtf NM is doing so i'll put their slot aside for a bit and support Luca with this wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i could vote both Hayker and Plusjoyed at the same time i probably would.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is going on with ur reads NM.

He's obvscum and for some reason

quiet

is distracting from this.

If NM is obvscum the why not just let him. It's not a slot i see surviving for very long either way if they keep playing like this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Competing wagons are usually pretty good for the game in my experience.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The alt is Dkkoba.
As they alt slipped earlier i feel no obligation to stay quiet about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's the VC right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

(Just realized a VC was listed last page)
I honestly like most people that has been on the N_M wagon so i'm not really seeing this "lack of town co-operation and scum are just piling on" narrative that BC is telling us either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am not voting N_M for play style, I want this to be very clear.

I actually enjoy his devil-may-care lightweight attitude.

Same (only the first part, i dislike his playstyle immensely), if N_M had played like this from the start i probably wouldn't have cared. But their previous slot's owner was sufficiently scummy to justify an continued wagon on N_M as they replaced in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NM isn't even explaining his reads.
If he were, perhaps i'd take them somewhat seriously.

[NorwegianboyEE]

he's shuflling his reads like he is playing poker. It's obviously just trolling.
And now we're going into WIFOM. "Would scum play like a dumbass when they want to survive?" I honestly don't care though, because it's N_M and i hate the slot on principle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I could honestly see N_M going for the least optimal play if he rolled scum here, just as a way to troll.
And it might even work because people will second guess his wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is there any reason you'd find the speed of the wagon to be relevant in this instance?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm open to the idea of N_M being town, i just find it very unlikely. And i don't see any other slots i heavily suspect other than those i've listed in my reads so far.
That's also why i'm wagoning someone else even if i still strongly believe N_M is very likely not town. And if they are then tough luck, they've done all the scummy things of the playbook.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm really not interested in defending such a bad slot. But i do find it admirable that you are Andresvmb.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either way, if N_M flips town it would be very informative. I'm not really the type of player that would absolutely insist that we never eliminate a slot because there's the 2% probability that *gasp! they were town!* As even that would be helpful because then we can look at which voters on the wagon were the most suspicous, how was the general positioning around the wagon. Etc, we'd actually get some hard facts. As compared to here where we are effectively on a stalemate with just a bunch of talk with not a whole lot of definitive conclusions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even just a claim from N_M would make me feel a lot better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even just a claim from N_M would make me feel a lot better.

I don’t understand you. If you think the slot is so bad and they’re just a troll, why are you holding out any hope of a good faith claim?

If they are town as you are arguing then why wouldn't they?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, we can test out their claim. Let's move on from their slot, i'm so sick of talking about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Hayker

[NorwegianboyEE]

A claim like that puts the pressure on NM so we'll either get conf!scum down the line or a cleared town. I don't see the issue.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They die if they neighborize scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i have another reason to maybe believe their claim for now, and if he's town then i think hayker should be the next to go.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NM can always claim that whoever he targeted must be town.

Well shouldn't they be able to confirm they were neighborized then?
That's the entire point of their role right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This seems like the kind of game where town just eats itself up by making way too many assumptions based on very little information.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I assumed tracker was the real claim and thought it would be best to just let it play out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's something to be said about the validity of claiming when not at E-1 when so many slots where defending/white knighting and the elimination seemed very uncertain though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So what's the deal with aeroplane food?

The Seinfeld-like observational comedians that were popular in the 90s and 2000s just spoke about things in their experience, and as they because successful, they traveled more and had to deal with airplanes more than the average person, so they always had something to say about airplane food. Nowadays airlines don’t serve meals as often, and airplane food has become a meta-joke.

I think airplane food is unironically exciting. There’s like nothing to look forward to other than the food anyway. The few times i’ve done long haul i read the menu list incessantly and anticipate all of the small dishes and how they’ll be prepared. And the taste is just fine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t want NM anymore for two reasons.

A: We already have more than enough information about which slots are willing and not willing to yeet NM to the moon.
B: They softed PR.

For these reasons i want to explore other slots right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can always move back to NM as need be.
But i don’t want to leave shady slots such as Hayker in the dust.
I found their voting pop in wolfy and could see it as a vote from scum on both town or their scum partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i could vote both Hayker and Plusjoyed at the same time i probably would.

ur pfp is cute and cultured go hayker

Okay

[NorwegianboyEE]

Has any scimum bypassed you recently Koba?

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M wasting his vote on a slot that’s not got any other votes and ignoring the other leading wagon is weird if scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s because you’ve gone so far off the deep end in attempting to be humorous that nobody understands you anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M wasting his vote on a slot that’s not got any other votes and ignoring the other leading wagon is weird if scum.

It doesn't seem rational to be hung up on having one vote on you when the vote count has 2 rolling wagons and traction on a third.

What is it about Not Mafia's vote that's got to you?

I’m not allowed to be curious why someone is voting me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vax and Mom, I think the pings are probably fair.

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M wasting his vote on a slot that’s not got any other votes and ignoring the other leading wagon is weird if scum.

It doesn't seem rational to be hung up on having one vote on you when the vote count has 2 rolling wagons and traction on a third.

What is it about Not Mafia's vote that's got to you?

I’m not allowed to be curious why someone is voting me?

Poor response. Answer, please.

No.