Large Normal 231 | Etymologies | Game Over

[Rannygazoo]

I'm aware of the fallacy but from an emotional standpoint there's still some validity there I think. I'm not saying hes scum butonestly I will look for any excuse to bypass Rvs.

Don’t worry I had a feeling that you were really just trying to push me in some sort of way to get a reaction and see if you can figure out my alignment from that. Unfortunately it just won’t be that easy. I’ll try and make it obvious to you this is still my Town self though.

Idk bro your vibe’s kind of off
VOTE: Andres

[Rannygazoo]

Btw if we have a Rolecop they can confirm molla’s claim
Miller is a town-only role so that would be a conftown too

Idk if rolecop gets to know all the modifiers of a role. That’s really powerful if it does.

[Rannygazoo]

You claim in your first post. Period. Your claim can just be a stand alone post with just the claim and literally nothing else. Your claim can contain whatever you wish to reveal; however, what you do not do as the Goddamn Miller is go "oh, hey, yeahhhh... by the waaaay" when you're actually the Miller.

This rigid thinking isn’t helpful. It’s not like the Miller claim was meant to weasel out of something. It was on the first page, immediately after their first post. I’d be suspicious if it seemed like you were trying to push this as an agenda this game, instead of rambling about a preferred meta.

[Rannygazoo]

I realize that I'm scum reading 2 possible 2 scum but Rannys post gives me bad vibes for some reason.

Is it because I’m feeling out the game and not going all in on a scumread? I don’t like to do that until I have more data. Titus scumread me in our last game for that reason.

That’s not to say I don’t think town can make good progress today. If we can stop scum day 1, that’s great. More effective than day 2.

[Rannygazoo]

What do u think of the mini wagon.

5 votes *sounds* like a lot, but it’s E-6.

Most of the votes are meta, and that makes me go meh because it’s impossible to verify or refute (or rather, I’m not going to go back and read their old games). For instance, I think it was EE who said mini’s scum meta is to do very little? That could be a useful insight, or it could be an excuse to push a wagon.

Anyway, it’s not even halfway there, so I’m going to let it play out and see if anything good comes up.

[Rannygazoo]

The wagon is fine. Are you trying to talk me into switching my vote?

[Rannygazoo]

NPOM is unreadable. If any investigative role out there wants to check them tonight, don’t let me stop you.

[Rannygazoo]

Ugh VOTE: binatog

[Rannygazoo]

It’s my first large normal too but you don’t see me refusing to solve

[Rannygazoo]

I’m still reading reluctance to engage as newbscum, not newbtown.

No elim d1 makes sense until you have a good think about the rules and the role list. Nervousness about playing looks like scum who’s not sure how to act.

[Rannygazoo]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

@Goofball what is RB? Like Binatog, I don’t know the role list, but I’ll figure it out as flips come in.

[Rannygazoo]

@Gamma I’m not trying to make anyone conform to any rules. Just thinking back on my past games, newbie scum didn’t do well. They were nervous or they replaced out or both. Newbie town were all over the place.

[Rannygazoo]

Roleblocker. Of course. No, I’m not. Why are you hunting for PRs?

[Rannygazoo]

@Gamma I said noelim day 1 makes sense from a newbie’s perspective. Did you think I said it doesn’t make sense?

[Rannygazoo]

If by “uncovered” you mean “read page 1 and saw”... congrats?

[Rannygazoo]

NPOM is unreadable. If any investigative role out there wants to check them tonight, don’t let me stop you.

Are you crumbing RB?

Help me understand the town motivation behind this post. Even if I am roleblocker and you figured it out, I could be town RB or scum RB. It doesn’t help a doctor decide who to target. It just gives scum more info (or if I’m scum RB, it gives town info that you think I was trying to feed them).

That said, I’m not RB, and if you go into the night thinking I am, you’re going to be disappointed. That claim is final and no take backs.

[Rannygazoo]

Answer the question tho

[Rannygazoo]

I’ve had a game with you and I know you’re inclined to play that way.

But announcing your intentions unprompted that you’re going to “play support” is something else. I feel like binatong is leaning into the clueless thing too hard.

Passive play does make sense at the beginning of a large, but you don’t have to advertise it. Just do it and people will see.

[Rannygazoo]

The above is @gamma

[Rannygazoo]

Titus angleshooting like that when sam also ditched mbos 10 as town is no bueno

Does it really compare to declining a role PM?

Angleshooting is gross BUT...

[Rannygazoo]

I'm going to put the gazoo cat in the town pile.

Answer the question tho

Don’t think you can get out of this by buddying me. Your PR-hunting feels scum-motivated.

VOTE: Goofball

[Rannygazoo]

I think Goofball’s got the potential to be a great wagon.

Yes. NPOM, vote Goofball.

[Rannygazoo]

Binatog is my boy. All who vote him are scum.

This is just to throw us off when one of them flips scum. Like, it’s so obvious that it can’t be real, but I think it is.

[Rannygazoo]

The site meta is that roleblocker is a bone that the mods throw the scum team to "balance" the game. It's pretty useless for the scum when a game has trackers and PGOs but that how it rolls around here.

Can anyone confirm?

[Rannygazoo]

The site meta is that roleblocker is a bone that the mods throw the scum team to "balance" the game. It's pretty useless for the scum when a game has trackers and PGOs but that how it rolls around here.

So naturally when I saw what looked like a roleblocker crumb, I was on it like white on rice.

Apparently noticing that makes me scum.

I can see this coming from a Townie mindset. I'm not really feeling the wagon on DGB tbh.

The site meta is that roleblocker is a bone that the mods throw the scum team to "balance" the game. It's pretty useless for the scum when a game has trackers and PGOs but that how it rolls around here.

So naturally when I saw what looked like a roleblocker crumb, I was on it like white on rice.

Apparently noticing that makes me scum.

I can see this coming from a Townie mindset. I'm not really feeling the wagon on DGB tbh.

I want to know this is right, but more importantly, I want to know if DGB believes it. It looks like DGB does, so there’s no need to press here.

[Rannygazoo]

I am not sorry for making a mess in the post above. It was awesome and I would do it again.

VOTE: NB1

Either on a scum team with Binatog or trying hard to look like it.

[Rannygazoo]

Leaning scum on CheekyTeeky. I don’t want to co-sign Titus’s angleshoot but I’ll be keeping an eye out.

I’m not feeling the Plus wagon. I don’t know him per se but in the one game I had with him, he caved as town like corn starch caves to water. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s scum on it looking for LHF.

[Rannygazoo]

quack

Ducking questions, I see.

I'm feeling Norway as town right now. The easy breezy vote hops and their demeanour doesn't seem like it's scum operating to me.

I'm also thinking Mini as town right now, purely for her sticking her neck out with scumreads. Mini as scum is cagier than that. Mini - can you put you initial scumreads in order from most scummy to least?

Ranny still gets the big scum ping from me for such lazy LHF voting earlier. I also have tingles from Gamma.

Not every vote is a serious intent to elim, especially this early. I voted your buddy because I wanted them to shape up and post better. If they don’t, I’m fine with moving my vote back there.

It’s like the mini wagon. I wasn’t on it, but I didn’t oppose it. People were saying that lurking is mini’s scum meta. They made a big catch-up and broke the meta. That’s good, but it doesn’t prove anything. Maybe they’re scum trying to shake things up, or maybe they’re town trying to contribute. I can’t get reads from it now, but it’s data that’s good to have for the future. I think the pressure helped.

[Rannygazoo]

I am not sorry for making a mess in the post above. It was awesome and I would do it again.

VOTE: NB1

Either on a scum team with Binatog or trying hard to look like it.

Who is this vote for? Anyone can answer.

You can’t honestly expect me to remember the difference between “Norfolk” and “Norwegian”. I’ll refer to them as NB1 and EE, unless a mod says they don’t understand my votes.

[Rannygazoo]

Lol

[Rannygazoo]

NPOM is unreadable. If any investigative role out there wants to check them tonight, don’t let me stop you.

TITUS: This is the post I thought was a RB crumb.

I disagree on that being an RB crumb. I read it as an invest crumb myself if anything at all. Either that or just straight out asking for it.

As an RB, he couldn't determine who to block based on their results/target.

What might I be asking for?

[Rannygazoo]

I’m starting to understand Binatog’s posting pattern. The game can be hard to break into, and there’s lots of little threads that lead nowhere.

Quiet’s defense of mini by asking for references and notarized forms feels like sealioning.

[Rannygazoo]

I’m starting to understand Binatog’s posting pattern. The game can be hard to break into, and there’s lots of little threads that lead nowhere.

Quiet’s defense of mini by asking for references and notarized forms feels like sealioning.

What?
Can you explain in more detail everything you just said?

Can you ask in more detail?

I assume that some silly off-site term?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

It felt like Quiet was trying to bury the push on mini with unreasonable requests rather than actually refuting it.

[Rannygazoo]

you're not scumhunting you're just trying to look like you are

Genuine question, now applied to both cheeky and mini

Is this really scummy? Like can someone give me a game or three where scum did this? It gets read as scummy, but to me it seems really bad for that exact reason.

Ah so we are still in RVS then after all. Vote first questions later got it. I’ll fall in line.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cheeky

So now that I did the thing, can someone answer my question? Seems like a fair trade. Link me any examples where scum actually behaved like either a) “I need to take a vacation, throw shade, see you later” or b) filler content, such as asking lots of questions, “not actually scumhunting”, etc. I want to see some of it in action. My bad pet theory is that reports of such scummy behavior by actual scum are grossly overstated.

Like, bro, I’m not your paralegal

[Rannygazoo]

*bypasses*

[Rannygazoo]

I know that “scummy” does not equal “scum”, but today I am not buying any arguments along the lines of “that’s so scummy, it has to be coming from town”.

However, the DGB subplot has been explored to my satisfaction for now.

[Rannygazoo]

For reference, in my last normal game, the scum team acted out with “too obvious” scummy things like quickhammering and voting together in a bloc. I don’t intend to let anyone get away with that unexamined in this game.

[Rannygazoo]

VOTE: Cheeky given up?

[Rannygazoo]

For reference, in my last normal game, the scum team acted out with “too obvious” scummy things like quickhammering and voting together in a bloc. I don’t intend to let anyone get away with that unexamined in this game.

Andres, you were in that game.

[Rannygazoo]

You were nightkilled early because your reads were right.

[Rannygazoo]

Do you think scum would quickhammer after I say that anyone who does it is lockscum?

[Rannygazoo]

But anyway the point being - Flavor has a certain philosophy about how Scum should play. They’re not in this game. So I don’t think it’s particularly relevant.

Fine, I won’t ask for your reads on Flavor this game. But try to understand how that game informed my playing now.

[Rannygazoo]

I think Andre is making a good point, and it doesn’t seem like the planned kind of bad, but more like a "i’m just genuinely asking a question" vibe.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how harmful was it of be to vote DBG and put him on E-10 until I got a satisfactory explanation?

[Rannygazoo]

Leaning scum on CheekyTeeky. I don’t want to co-sign Titus’s angleshoot but I’ll be keeping an eye out.

I’m not feeling the Plus wagon. I don’t know him per se but in the one game I had with him, he caved as town like corn starch caves to water. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s scum on it looking for LHF.

I don't like how every time a low-content slot is pushed recently, someone will inevitably bring out the term 'LHF'. There is absolutely nothing from Plus' ISO that suggests they are Town. These are exactly the sort of slots that need sorting D1.

That’s a fair point. In my last game with him, we were both town but I led the push on him because he was useless. I guess now I’m feeling sorry for him/trying not to put him in a position where he feels like being useless. But I do think it was ultimately good for that game.

[Rannygazoo]

I'm aware of the fallacy but from an emotional standpoint there's still some validity there I think. I'm not saying hes scum butonestly I will look for any excuse to bypass Rvs.

Don’t worry I had a feeling that you were really just trying to push me in some sort of way to get a reaction and see if you can figure out my alignment from that. Unfortunately it just won’t be that easy. I’ll try and make it obvious to you this is still my Town self though.

Idk bro your vibe’s kind of off
VOTE: Andres

I agree with this.
It seems like an overly quick conclusion for such an dubious claim to believe it and nit only that but call it: "the towniest miller claim"
Not the strongest case but i like it as my first wagon.
VOTE: Andresvmb

It’s also somewhat towny how Ranny calls out and votes someone that called them town.
Screw it.
VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Norwee, I think it’s weird that I’m not higher in your townreads considering that you were sheeping me for a bit.

(None of these were captured in the vote counts. Nice going.)

[Rannygazoo]

Hey Ranny, what do you think about two slots going hard about the fact that they are newbs this gsme

Uh, I feel like I’ve already addressed them individually? I caught some flak for the pressure vote on Binatog, but people are coming around to the idea that the slot might not be acting in good faith, and my pressure didn’t really change anything. I’d be willing to elim if it went that way.

As for quiet, I thought his request for citations in triplicate was an attempt to slow down the wagon on mini or cheeky, or at the very least, have an excuse for not joining them. It’s not actually going to stop anyone, though. Null on this slot for now.

[Rannygazoo]

Quiet, your posts are so hard to read. My eyes just roll off them like water on wax.

[Rannygazoo]

I'd be surprised if Not_Mafia wasn't scum, given the history of the slot more than anything. I could see scum distancing themselves from it, or even actively bussing it.

Really? You think Scum would actively bus a rather hard to read slot that everybody expects will be around for a while?

We absolutely do not expect this.

They’re easy to dismiss as annoying, and not having much of a clue or reading properly. Hell, I could be making a complete fool out of myself defending them right now.

In my gut I just

know

it’s wrong. I just didn’t see a strong incentive for Town to just finish the day right then and there.

Because we’re almost at page 50 and we’ve reached the point where we’re deciding between making the obvious play or taking the remaining time for its own sake and forgetting what’s right in front of us.

[Rannygazoo]

the only alternate to NM I might accept rn is Hayker

How is Hayker any different from plusJOYED

[Rannygazoo]

I am not voting N_M for play style, I want this to be very clear.

I actually enjoy his devil-may-care lightweight attitude.

But in this game, he rolled scum and I do not understand the itch that so players have to yeet someone else.

+1

NM is fine! They just didn’t roll town.

[Rannygazoo]

Which read lists do you think are real?

[Rannygazoo]

So... you agree NM is scum?

[Rannygazoo]

Ok, let’s take a look at the opposition besides Andres. Quiet tried to shift onto another wagon or two. I’ve never rolled scum here but that’s essentially what I would no as newbie scum. Not really go to bat and defend a partner, but try to shift the attention elsewhere. Worth looking at if NM flips scum.

As for the others, I think a few lurkers showed up and cast votes elsewhere. I don’t really have time to look into it now.

[Rannygazoo]

No, I’m just thinking, if I were scum and NM was my partner, how would I put brakes on the wagon?

[Rannygazoo]

I

t

's a no

r

m

a

l role, so it's

c

ertainly possible, I

k

ould be an

E

ven Night Weak Neighbourise

r

VOTE: Hayker

@chkflip: “weak” can be cleared in one night, I believe

[Rannygazoo]

So what are we going to do if the claim is proven false and then NM is like “LOL I TROL U, lemme make up another claim real quick”

[Rannygazoo]

I thought “even night” was on “neighborizer”, not “weak”

[Rannygazoo]

I thought “even night” was on “neighborizer”, not “weak”

Both modifiers would apply to the Neighborizer. Weak isn’t a role by itself I don’t think.

Let me clarify. The claim weak on odd nights, or no?

My understanding of weak is that they die if visited, correct?

[Rannygazoo]

Oh. That’s kind of powerful.

[Rannygazoo]

I honestly don’t get what makes Hayker stick out from any other lurker.

[Rannygazoo]

Since we’re discussing NM’s claim in detail, what do you make of the tracker soft?

[Rannygazoo]

VOTE: Rannygazoo

Ok buddy, you were just saying earlier that the Even Night Weak etc claim being false was grounds for execution.

[Rannygazoo]

So what are we going to do if the claim is proven false and then NM is like “LOL I TROL U, lemme make up another claim real quick”

You execute them.

1) So this was a lie? You want to let NM get away with any and everything?
2) It wasn’t a secret. I saw it. You saw it.

[Rannygazoo]

I wanted to discuss it because it contradicts the current claim. There’s no harm in mentioning it because everyone can see it.

[Rannygazoo]

So what are we going to do if the claim is proven false and then NM is like “LOL I TROL U, lemme make up another claim real quick”

You execute them.

1) So this was a lie? You want to let NM get away with any and everything?
2) It wasn’t a secret. I saw it. You saw it.

If they softed Tracker, you didn’t think they would come out with a result tomorrow then?

So it WAS a lie. Okay. I feel like we’re starting to understand each other.

[Rannygazoo]

wait, what's up ranny?

What Andres SAID was that we’re going to elim NM if his claim is false without any need for further discussion, but what Andres MEANT was that he expects the claim might be fake and NM is also allowed to claim tracker.

[Rannygazoo]

What are the odds that only you and me and no one on a scum team saw it?

[Rannygazoo]

Better than letting NM dodge a well-deserved elim.

I still don’t think the slot is town but I’m willing to let the claim play out. I want to clamp down on the BS when we’re dealing with a second claim.

You said you did too, but it seems you were lying about that.

[Rannygazoo]

Let both claims play out?

[Rannygazoo]

Let both claims play out?

Only one of them can be the truth. Either way, Not_Mafia would have at most 2 Days if not 1 to prove that they’re not full of shit. That’s job well done. So unless you think there’s only 1 Scum in the game, what exactly are you doing?

I don’t understand you said about one scum in the game. If one scum notices the claim, all scum notice it, putting town at a disadvantage with information. (Assuming there’s one scum team.) The claim was obvious, so odds are one scum noticed it. Now town knows it to. Level playing field.

I really don’t understand what your plan was for dealing with NM. Wait one day to see if he’s a tracker, then another day to see if it’s a neighborizer? That’s too much shenanigans for me.

[Rannygazoo]

I’m not focused on Not_Mafia. I’m focused on you lying about how you approach the neighborizer claim.

I brought up the soft claim because I didn’t know what to make of it contradicting the other claim, and I wanted other’s opinions on it. And boy did I get it.

[Rannygazoo]

Ranny can absolutely be shot to the sun, like, now.

Ok, why?

[Rannygazoo]

So what are we going to do if the claim is proven false and then NM is like “LOL I TROL U, lemme make up another claim real quick”

You execute them.

Implying that if the neighborizer claim is false, you’re not going to put up with more BS.

I honestly just assumed Tracker was the actual claim,

Oh oh! Things are not what they seem!

[Rannygazoo]

I think I’m done discussing it.

VOTE: Binatog

VOTE: bbmolla

@DBG sell me on one of these.

[Rannygazoo]

@chkflip I don’t think it’s anti-town to want to nail down a claim from someone who dodged an elim by claiming. I also think the tracker soft was obvious and if NM is town, scum was benefiting from it more because they can tell each other. If you want to talk about it more, we can, but I don’t think either of us wants that.

[Rannygazoo]

Except you have no way of knowing as Town if either Claim is true, but you know as Scum that one of them has to be true, if Not_Mafia is Town. So, how exactly would your position change if the Claim was narrowed down? Do you want to explain that?

Andres, maybe you know the other players here better than I do, but I don’t trust town to not let NM get away with switching claims unless I make noise about it.

[Rannygazoo]

I don’t have a master plan. I didn’t know what to make of it. That’s why I asked an exploratory question. I wanted to discuss what it meant and how to proceed.

Since we’re discussing NM’s claim in detail, what do you make of the tracker soft?

[Rannygazoo]

I don’t have a master plan. I didn’t know what to make of it. That’s why I asked an exploratory question. I wanted to discuss what it meant and how to proceed.

Since we’re discussing NM’s claim in detail, what do you make of the tracker soft?

You are still avoiding giving me a straight answer. Just sit down and think about it.

Sorry, I thought you were asking about my motive for bringing it up. You were asking for something completely different.

I would have less of a gut feeling that NM is setting up to dodge an elim with a claim for a second time.

[Rannygazoo]

So what's the deal with aeroplane food?

The Seinfeld-like observational comedians that were popular in the 90s and 2000s just spoke about things in their experience, and as they because successful, they traveled more and had to deal with airplanes more than the average person, so they always had something to say about airplane food. Nowadays airlines don’t serve meals as often, and airplane food has become a meta-joke.

[Rannygazoo]

Not_Mafia, how do you do the rainbow colors in your posts? I must know. Is there a github?

[Rannygazoo]

Not_Mafia, how do you do the rainbow colors in your posts? I must know. Is there a github?

https://www.stuffbydavid.com/textcolorizer

Thank you, I promise not to use this for evil

[Rannygazoo]

Galaxy brain: different browsers for different accounts

[Rannygazoo]

Lots of shiny wagons. I like this in the long term.

In the short term, I'm conflicted bc the people I don't think are town are agreeing with me.

And who might that be.

Norwat, Ranny, BBMolla

I didn’t realize I was your scumread, but I’m mostly curious what I said that you agree with.

[Rannygazoo]

im gonna point out what reads i find a bit egregious, or rather I have massive pings on wrt how im viewing the game atm vs ur explainations. yellow = mild red=major

Look, I find quiet’s read list to be without substance too, but I don’t think putting it through the wringer (ringer?) is going to help at this stage. With day 1, 20 players, and a lot of junk without a flip, asking someone to have really sophisticated reads right now is asking a lot.

Quiet’s list might be useful going forward because we can watch if there’s a natural progression going forward, but I don’t think it’s useful now.

[Rannygazoo]

Hawker vote

Ok, I missed NM claiming. What was it?

Uh, this is pretty lazy. I voted Hawker because NM claimed and I was sheeping others to get off that wagon. I even said later that I don’t know what makes Hawker stand out from other lurkers. Is lazy the new Titus meta?

[Rannygazoo]

Ok, I thought you were about to tear into it

[Rannygazoo]

BC’s play is so different from NPOM’s play. I never would have guessed it’s the same slot.

[Rannygazoo]

I'm waiting for something of substance to happen like an elim

This kind of thing pings me coming from you plus. I have you as a rather cheery Town that likes to go into the weeds of things and try to surmise big picture what’s happening. You’ve paid this game so little attention, I have to think there’s something else going on. I’m not even sure it’s game related.

I don’t know that Scum comes on and posts this sort of nonsense - it’s like too obviously bad.

I want to see this plus you’re talking about. The plus we have now is EXACTLY the one from Mini Theme 2172.

[Rannygazoo]

Ranny actually I’m also thinking is Town, to be totally honest. Would be quite surprised if it flipped Scum.

yeah i played with them in a newbie game and sorta could feel the same energy here. subconscious tells me theyre town here. we kinda butted heads back then but i think they have a potential to be really good

Ranny just seems like the kinda guy that takes no shit from nobody and i'm digging it.

<3

[Rannygazoo]

At this point I want to be Scum just so that I don’t have that pressure to not be completely terrible with my reads. I get embarrassed reading back in some games and seeing that I was trying and that I was completely off. Though it hasn’t happened on this forum yet! Maybe this game, who knows.

Maybe this game what?

[Rannygazoo]

Can’t leave you guys alone for a minute without someone doing scum’s work for them

[Rannygazoo]

Is it site meta for people to switch claims all the time for no reason?

[Rannygazoo]

Is it site meta for people to switch claims all the time for no reason?

You’re confusing Not_Mafia and Bypasser.

I’m not, but I don’t want to get into it after what happened last time.

[Rannygazoo]

I feel like there’s not much towncred to be gained by defending you.

[Rannygazoo]

To clarify what I mean, Hayker, Nero, and Mom all kind of blend together as lurky slots and I’d be fine with an elim on either of them today.

[Rannygazoo]

Who said that?

[Rannygazoo]

Congrats on the life! I just don’t have a good sense of who you are in this game, or the value in keeping you around.

[Rannygazoo]

There’s enough time, but I’d like to see an argument that’s not based on meta before I move my vote. There’s nothing I can say about meta.

[Rannygazoo]

I’m not voting Nero. You can elim him, but you do it without me.

The latest pivot to self-voting and self-pity is annoying but it’s not scum-indicative. What it IS, however, is an excuse to get rid of him. At this point, scum can easily mis-elim him and wash their hands of the blame because Nero brought it on himself. He’s literally asking for it. It’s also easy for town that’s exhausted with this day to vote on the slot that’s caving and just get it over with. Still, it wouldn’t surprise me if a good chunk of the scum team is on the Nero wagon right now.

I don’t want to flip town but I don’t want to encourage Nero’s behavior either. So how’s this plan: we elim Hayker, Nero replaces out since he’s sick of this game, and whatever happens at night happens.

[Rannygazoo]

It doesn’t tell us nothing. We’ve seen who’s willing to vote on it and who wants to pivot away from it.

[Rannygazoo]

If Hayker flips scum, that’s plenty to work with for day 2.

[Rannygazoo]

Going for a short walk to destress then I'll be posting an updated VC and dealing with prod timers

Did it work?

[Rannygazoo]

@Nero can you explain your scumread on me? I feel like I’m being set up. If you flip scum, I’ll look bad for sticking up for you and it will look like you were trying to bus me.

[Rannygazoo]

Shoot chkflip

[Rannygazoo]

Shoot chkflip

Oh wait this isn’t the scum pt

Oh wait this isn’t night phase

Finish the wagon on Hayker and end the day already

[Rannygazoo]

Let’s spare a replacement from having to read 82 pages and just elim Hayker’s slot

[Rannygazoo]

Not yet, just prodded

[Rannygazoo]

Opinion noted and discarded

[Rannygazoo]

Titus, does this feel like that other game to you, where all the town PRs just gave up and voted themselves?

[Rannygazoo]

Titus, does this feel like that other game to you, where all the town PRs just gave up and voted themselves?

you've seen people claim PRs early before.

Lel

In my last game with Titus, a town PR put themselves on E-1 and got hammered on day 1 and day 2.

[Rannygazoo]

Im starting to agree with chkflip that the day shouldn’t end without DGB and Hayker and Vaxkiller getting back in here.

Surely one of them will have no problem quickhammering

[Rannygazoo]

wheres the andres who voted outside of a 1v1 in a lylo situation?

I’m not afraid to hammer. It’s not that. I just think this is a mistake.

I vibe with this

[Rannygazoo]

Hayker, Luca, chkflip scum team

You can accolade me later

[Rannygazoo]

Who else knows Mathblade here?

I will be meta-diving to see if you already know the answer to that one.

I agree the kill was definitely because of MathBlade, not because of Mini. BUT it’s too WIFOMy. Maybe someone close to MathBlade killed him.

Or maybe that’s what they want you to think!!!

If I were scum and someone floated the idea of killing him in the pt, I might prepare for my role of slowly, gently building up to accuse Titus like you did.

I played a game with them recently so maybe I have some insight here, and I don’t think Titus is *afraid* of MathBlade. They were both town, and MathBlade definitely wanted Titus to be scum. So the motive is there, but... it’s just too much WIFOM to be sure.

I like this much better.
VOTE: NB1

[Rannygazoo]

I will be meta-diving to see if you already know the answer to that one.

What on earth does this mean?

It looks like you’re trying to fake a build-up to accusing Titus, or you’re planting seeds so someone else will do it for you.

[Rannygazoo]

ok sorry im flooding the game with this dumb discussion.

im gonna just step back and let shit happen im just annoyed in general at this game cuz i was hoping at least some1 on hayker wagon would die so id feel confirmed that that was the right path.

I was hoping we’d hit scum d1 but you can’t always get what you want.

I stand by what I said about Hayker, Luca, and chkflip being the solve. Hayker was in hot water and those two bailed him out. Norfolk fits in the mix just fine, which implicates Binatog as a possible fifth.

[Rannygazoo]

I’m thinking Titus/Ranny
This accusation that i’m building up seeds or whatever is really shoddy.

You pushes on me were shit yesterday and they’re shit today.

Norwee’s all like “Guys, does MathBlade know anyone? I don’t want to be the one to say it, but since he didn’t get a chance to post, someone must not have wanted him to post. Who could that be? Does he have a sister in the game?” Just hoping someone gets the hint.

[Rannygazoo]

It’s a progression. I should have used past tense, but I used present tense because I was catching up.

[Rannygazoo]

@NM why did you pick norboy1?

[Rannygazoo]

Your attitude of having a solve not involving me, and yet trying to implicate me as scum is not consistent.

It’s day 2 in a

20

18 player game. I don’t *actually* have it solved. Every post gets me closer, though.

[Rannygazoo]

norwee, dont get worked up abt ranny fosing u - theyre wroking from an uninformed perspective and are paranoid of u

ranny - norwee foses u bc ur playstyle naturally atttracts foses the way norwee reads. dont take it personally just like try to engage them honestly

Thank you for saying so. Norwee, I’m not mad at you. Sorry if I gave you that impression.

[Rannygazoo]

So how does Norwee read?

[Rannygazoo]

Who else knows Mathblade here?

I find it hard to believe that this is an earnest question.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12246533

Norwee was posting all through this game with MathBlade and Titus together.

[Rannygazoo]

oh lel nice guilty

also intent to hammer on Norfolkboy please claim

I know you mean that for Not_Mafia, but I’m going to pretend it’s for me finding proof that Norwee was asking leading questions that he knew the answer to.

[Rannygazoo]

Why would scum!luca push mini and then kill the slot?

[Rannygazoo]

Also, am I the only one that did not believe Bypasser’s Mason claim?

“Softing protective” is basically VT begging for a NK. Don’t know what the Mason claim was in there for. Maybe to make the protective claim more believable.

Andres, you’ve made convincing arguments for why NM should be the elim. Do you actually believe he’s scum, though?

[Rannygazoo]

I'll be doing my analysis later today. I get I look real bad here if NM flips scum.

That being said, what happens if a checker checks someone without an action?

I didn’t understand this when I first read it, and it pinged me that you’re hyperaware of looking scummy. Why would it make you look bad?

[Rannygazoo]

And you didn’t claim Tracker as a “reaction test”, you claimed it the day before in a soft, and then weaponized it against Norfolk. No chance in hell you’re not dying today.

Yes cos I was planning to use the tracker soft if my check ever failed

Then what was the deal with the first claim?

NM said they claimed even night something to avoid the night kill.

So why not claim even night tracker?

[Rannygazoo]

@Andres Titus NM please answer my questions and I’ll post my thoughts when I can.

@mod V/LA until Tuesday

[Rannygazoo]

UNVOTE:

I want a good, long day.

i don't

Let’s let the prod timers do their thing at the very least

[Rannygazoo]

I'm town, does anyone have any credible counterarguments to my reasons for my claims?

Are you asking for ccs to your 3 claims?

Can someone explain what a loyalty checker or whatever is? I don’t have time to look it up.

[Rannygazoo]

Of course there’s scum motivation for how you claimed. Scum!you was hoping to dodge an elim or two by being confusing. (It worked day 1.)

So why do you think your check failed?

[Rannygazoo]

Bruh the day 2 elim was entirely because of you

[Rannygazoo]

Idk about the doctor noises. Norfolk’s lazy lists of post numbers felt like flailing scum, but still, he was set up to fail.

“Bypass” is something surgeons do. Not meaningful when there’s a player with that as a name.

Doctors will “read charts”. So do stockbrokers.

I know that’s weak, but it’s not *impossible* that scum picked up on a doctor soft that I didn’t notice, and tried to push him for it.

[Rannygazoo]

NO BODY IS GOING TO STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE A PLAYER NM IS AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR HIS ALIGNMENT UNTIL HES DEAD

Why was BC killed?

[Rannygazoo]

Lmao if not for the rolestop I woulda been “Hey there’s a commuting SK”
I think Norway lucked out there

Was rooting for you in the end.

Possibly just “non-consecutive commuter”, if SK is an alignment.

Not that it matters since you died the same night.