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VOTE: Facebones
FaceBones is the only one I've played with before, should be fun

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getting good town vibes from dk

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dk- townread, seems interested in solving

bugspray- townread, they are poking around in the natural places

andre- townlean for playing peacemaker

cook- he has been quite awkward with his posting, but perhaps that is just how he posts, null for now

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why is anger scummy? why isn't anger scummy? this is a game. why get upset about it?

meh I think it's quite a natural reaction to be frustrated when you get tunneled on

Why do you think a scum is more likely to get angry?

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townlean Jim for the against the grain read on Cook

everyone actively vocal feels null or better tbh

VOTE: Polaris

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kinda wanted to keep it to myself but im actually highkey scumreading jim. was not expecting the townlean there

Really? It seems against his best interest to call Cook town if Jim is scum, unless they are partners of course.

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i think facebone townslipped, annoyingly enough like based on how it was.

btw I don't see the townslip whatsoever

I assume you townread him for that?-

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yeah i townread him for *that*.

its like obvious what it is but like i kinda feel like i should jujst townlock him for it.

I think I see what you mean but

Is that really hard to say as scum, especially after someone else prompted it? I don't really think so personally

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yeah i townread him for *that*.

its like obvious what it is but like i kinda feel like i should jujst townlock him for it.

I think I see what you mean but

Is that really hard to say as scum, especially after someone else prompted it? I don't really think so personally

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Personally, I'm not so interested on a Jim elim. I initially townleaned him because of him going against the grain on his cook read, and I think he's made reasonable rebuttals since then. I can definitely understand him jumping on cook after town reading him being strange, but the explanation of his progression was fine, so meh. Probably controversial, but I don't see what you guys see. Although I will say my top 3 towns being on this wagon gives me a bit of doubt. The scum could easily be one of Cook and Tris tho, so idk.

Cook has been quite awkward as has been pointed out many times. Not sure if that is just how he plays as town, but still a reasonable chance we just hit scum there. This is where my vote is going if it is between Jim and Cook.

I'd like to see Polaris pressured before the end of the day. Same with FB.

Egix, Zuko, tris, and geraintam are nullish to me, but they've felt good enough to where I'm not really interested in them for today. Nopointactingup is similarly in the null territory, but hasn't felt as good, wouldn't be upset at an elim here. I guess that's a scumlean.

So at the moment, I want to take a shot inside of Cook, nopoint, Polaris, or FB.

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I don't buy the scumread on polaris. The slot literally hasn't posted since RVS and is likely to replace. There's no sense in trying to pressure a slot that is unlikely to respond to the pressure before getting force replaced by the game moderator

it's not a scumread, if they get replaced I am also interested in seeing the replacement getting pressured or see whats up with them

against the grain reads are shit scum do to sow chaos and instability lol

seems counterproductive for scum to do that to cook who was being piled on, perhaps you are right, but felt towny to me in that instance anyways

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i don't think it was a particularly risky stance to take

but why push back on a seemingly easy mis elim?

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why nopoint? i think nopoint's alright.

he is the least towny of my nullreads

not a strong conviction

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riveting

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This... this is just awful. Wanna justify this vote for me?

Like I said everyone actively vocal seemed null or better, so pressure the lurker.

IDGI.
Scum can buddy up, scum can bus. I've tried context diving, this needs expanding on. it's also 1am and my mind feels like its being heavily compressed.

Sure, it just felt towny in the scenario. There was traction gaining on Cook and seemed like the scum team could just bury him there, if he is town. Ok it is entirely possible Jim does that as scum, but his intentions felt towny in that spot.

This feels like he's attempting to avoid a read..

If that's what you call avoiding a read fine. I still don't see how you can locktown FB for that.

On another note, I have started to townlean FB for his novel read of Jim and the reason he thinks that people are piling onto him for putting Cook town. If his reasoning is true idk but it seems like a towny thought process.

Btw, you put FB at an 8 without much reasoning. I assume it was the same reason as dk?

OK so lets see your scumlist. Do me a favour and link a post with each slot you're scum reading that you think is relevant.

Cook and nopoint are where I want to elim today. Nopoint hasn't said anything overtly scummy and I really can't be bothered to find something for Cook it has been echoed a hundred times by now. Anyway these are quite low conviction reads.

I'm more confident in the dk, bugspray, and andre towncore. With townleans on FB and Jim. Idm taking a shot anywhere outside of these.

My apologies if you were expecting more. I don't exactly have passion behind my scum reads when to me nobody is really sticking out as scum, I'm more interested in finding town really.

Flea, I was wondering, why do you have andre at a 6 after going on about how you dislike his posts? I expected him to be lower after reading that. Also, why did you dislike him in the first place?

Other than andre and maybe FB, I do like the numbers you gave out. Oh except for me being a 3, quite rude. But overall, pretty reasonable.

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and also what does N6 mean by Cook's name

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RLotus are you consciously voting Flea right now or is that a holdover from pre-replace?

It's a leftover vote my bad

VOTE: Cook

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ngl thats probably one of my top 3 obvtown posts in this thread so cook if cook was tmi'ing as scum- he chose well

Your level of confidence on FB and now Cook is starting to freak me out. I don't think either FB or Cook have acted in a way that is obvtown. To me it seems like you are seeing someone do something towny and jumping the gun and overreacting. Even zuko I'm not sure should warrant that kind of confidence, although with him I can moreso see where you're coming from.

I did think you came out the gate acting really towny but I'm becoming skeptical

On another note, bugspray has started to fall off. What are your updated thoughts?

Also, flea is dripping town

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RLotus are you consciously voting Flea right now or is that a holdover from pre-replace?

It's a leftover vote my bad

VOTE: Cook

why?

Why what exactly?

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guess I should of been specific, why are you voting for cook

Shallow reads, sheeping dk, awkward tone. Also, I thought it would be comical to vote for him after he asked why my vote was still on Flea.

Andres wagon does not look good from my prespective. Egix, cook, tris, and geraintm all have decent chances to be scum imo. Seems like there's a good chance one or possibly two scum are/were on that wagon.

Tris' voting habits are a bit strange to me, not explicitly scummy but yeah

Coming around to nopoint being town. His analysis of cook was good and our prespectives seem to be lining up. Makes me think he has a towny mindset.

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tris/nopoint/jim

you think that's the team?

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Lotus, how do you feel about facebones?

He's a townlean for me. I quited liked his analysis of the Jim/Cook competing wagons.

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Jim very clearly said he couldn't see Cook as scum, but was open to hearing peoples cases. I think people realised they couldn't form a convincing case on Cook based on his unorthodox posting style. They noticed Jim wasn't buying into the potential mislim and scum didn't like people coming up with their own thoughts and opinions. The fact that the very next wagon was on Jim doesn't seem like just a coincidence to me.

This is what I'm referring to.

No, I don't agree, I think Cook very well can be mafia. I think he's a bit paranoid about the people going onto Cook's wagon. But, the idea is so novel that I think it is harder for mafia to fake this and fake the paranoia, so more likely town.

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But, the idea is so novel that I think it is harder for mafia to fake this and fake the paranoia, so more likely town.

maybe

You said earlier something about his analysis was scummy to you. Was it this?

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Here is where I’m at:

Town
{ }
Strong Lean Town
{ }
Lean Town
{Esooa/Tris, bugspray, RLotus}
Slight Lean Town
{Facebones, Polaris/Flea The Magician, Jim Hawkins, nopointactingup}
Neutral
{Prince Zuko, DkKoba}
Slight Lean Scum
{Cook, Egix96, geraintm}
Lean Scum
{ }
Scum
{ }

I'm curious when/why you switched your jim read?

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Was actually me just shooting out a random team read.

The more I'm thinking about I don't know if I buy it. You say the team read of nopoint/tris/jim was random, but you expressed that you think jim and nopoint are both scummy. And I think the association between jim and nopoint is pretty clear. Another strange reaction test thing.

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Was actually me just shooting out a random team read.

The more I'm thinking about I don't know if I buy it. You say the team read of nopoint/tris/jim was random, but you expressed that you think jim and nopoint are both scummy. And I think the association between jim and nopoint is pretty clear. Another strange reaction test thing.

no

what do you mean no

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If me: hottest take is we should not eliminate anyone today.

but isnt your shtick to wait until we have voting information and whatnot before you start trying to sort people

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Not sure what dk is up to over there but it's weirding me out

VOTE: dk

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VOTE: Cook
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why would you fakeclaim when you are like the most likely partner to cook

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HOW AM I MOST LIKELY PARTNER

the way you defended him and your weird progression on him

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koba is clearly town

Two confirmed town is calling him scum so do you mind outlining the reason why you think this is the case?

*them

here are some things that make me townread them.

the fight with esooa was at least very in character for town koba.
207 gives me the sense that cook knew that they were both town.
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the mason fakeclaim i think is more likely to come from town.
and, generally, their progression on cook seems authentic.

I don’t have any sense as to why you seem to think that the switch onto Cook is authentic. It happened when momentum was clearly moving against Cook. There’s a very clear self-interest there to avoid looking like you were against a Scum execution the whole time. If anything, I think Town!Koba probably persists with that Read until the end of the day, instead of flipping at a convenient time.

I like the explanation in 947

It was just something I found interesting. I'm sure we'll find out if it's relevant or not in due time.

you can always just get a personal pt from the mod and then quote all these little things there so it doesnt clog up your iso

I wasn't exactly sure how to get myself a notes PT, thanks for the advice. Should make life a bit easier

actually, how is this a townslip at all?

thats what I been trying to say lmao

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woops only meant to quote 1188

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The reason I thought DK was scum yesterday was their weird reaction test remarks and the fact that I think they had a level of confidence on FB and Cook that they shouldn't have. And their unresponsiveness to the little push I made on them.

Now today, DK declares themself "obvtown" even though multiple people yesterday said they were suspicious of DK to some degree. On top of that, they tried to roleswap with Andre, who put them null in his readslist. How does one assume they are obvtown in this circumstance? Also, they seemed bewildered when I said that they are the most likely partner to Cook, even though the association between dk and cook is pretty clear, whether you read dk scum or town.

It is clear to me that Dk's perception of themself is removed from how they are actually perceived in the thread. This, along with their "obvtown" reads of FB and Cook, makes me think that their pov isn't lining up with how I'd expect them to view the game. Ultimately, that and their association with Cook is why I think dk is scum.

VOTE: dk

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how do u expect me to view the game?

For one I would have expected you to know that you would be in the hot seat today, or at least under discussion.

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no no no how would u expect me to view the game from my pov as of that post that makes u scumread me.

guess you didn't see the other posts that were shading you

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what is that even supposed to mean

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im asking u to ellaborate what the vague parts of ur post mean so i can see if u are just saying things to say them (:


so why do u think town!koba is more aware than scum me somehow of how ppl view me?

dont u think that scum me would be much more paranoid of how ppl are viewing me?

Well it is true that a town can very well have a misperception of themselves in the game. It is just consistent with my read on you from yesterday, where I wasn't quite understanding your pov, it fits with you being scum.

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that doesnt answer the question of what u perceive as town!koba pov.

idk having reads that make sense, understanding your spot in the game, consistent progression on your reads

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your pov isn't lining up in my view, if that makes sense to you

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It is clear to me that Dk's perception of themself is removed from how they are actually perceived in the thread.

If anything I would say that's a town tell tho.

It seemed scummy to me, why exactly do you think that?

To me, being disconnected from the game reads as a mafia trying to fabricate their reads/perspective. Where as a town should be aware of themself, who are their allies, who are calling them scum etc. in order to piece together the game.

I fully admit that a town can be unaware of how they are perceived, but it doesn't read that way to me. You and tris are starting to make me doubt my read

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oh, i forgot to mention this earlier. the fact that cook wouldn't vote for facebones even after my prompting even though he was his only expressed scumread at the time that wasn't just sheeping someone could be a scum indication.

Is this the point you were referring to?
If I was his scum buddy, surely he would've tried harder to make sure his play more consistent, especially on D1. I think I was his main or only scum read? And he still didn't vote me, even after some gentle persuasion?
These inconsistencies just make it seem like I was an afterthought when he had somewhat accepted his fate- one last ditch attempt to try and line up a mis-elimination.

What are your reads currently?

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didn't you say a bit ago that dk is town? what changed?

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didn't you say a bit ago that dk is town? what changed?

hm no looking back you didnt say you think their town but were more on the fence

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locknull

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I'm confident the slot is town still, but I need to reconfirm.

You think the slot needs to go but are confident that it is town?

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ohh i totally misread that "yeah I want that slot gone" part

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Egix feels pretty good to me today. The way he was critical of dk at the beginning of the day before deciding they townread them seemed natural.

Tris is a slot I keep flip flopping on. The way she jumped to the conclusion that "dk is clearly town" was strange to me, seemed unnatural. If dk flips town I think there's a chance tris is mafia, since it seems harder to believe she would defend her partner like that. On the other hand, she does seem to be trying to solve and gerain and FB are natural places to look if she does indeed think dk is town. Pretty unsure about this slot.

Bugspray I had townlean all day yesterday and gets some towncred for their early strong push on cook. But, they kinda fell off activity wise, I'd like to see fuller thoughts from them. I'll say a faint townlean for now.

Gerain has just been painfully neutral all game. The nullest player I ever saw. He probably needs to be flipped at some point unless something changes, since the pressure on him doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Andre I'll have a hard time ever seeing scum because of his persistance on Cook.

The way Jim and Cook pushed each other makes him look towny and plus I like his analysis of dk.

I felt Flea was towny yesterday, but has since dropped off especially because of their association with cook and dk. They seems to be wishy washy on dk, so the possibility of them being partners shouldn't be ruled out. In fact, this is where I want to go tomorrow if dk flips scum.

I haven't seen much AI stuff that FB has said since the cook/jim analysis from yesterday. If dk flips town, I do think his vote was the most oppurtunistic, given how sudden the switch from unsure about dk to scumreading them was. Probably the best place to go if dk is town. Very unlikely that he is partners with dk or tris.

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a nullslip ahaha

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nopoint- mason

andre- I already thought he was town for pressuring cook in day 1, but in hindsight knowing dk and essoa were town him playing peacemaker between them makes it hard to believe he is mafia.

bugspray- I give him light towncred for his very early push on cook. He did fall off on day 2 in my eyes, but again he comes out of the whole dk and essoa argument looking good knowing they were both town. Specifically, when he was trying to draw information out of essoa instead of sitting back and watching the shit throwing between the two of them.

Jim- I think he is very likely town because he had a sizable competing wagon to Cook mid day 1. Seems unlikely that town gets momentum on 2 different scum without the scum team diverting one of the wagons onto someone who is town.

If I am wrong in my town block, bugspray is my least confident read. So, that leaves FB, Flea, Egix, and geraintm which probably contain the scum.

I want to say that Egix is the towniest of these. His apprehension of dk leading to a town read felt very natural. Also, he is unlikely a partner to FB because the wagon FB lead on him in opposition to the Cook wagon.

It's hard to point at something outright scummy that gerain, flea, or FB did, because all of them were low posters to some degree. Geraintm was especially null, riding the neutral line, not giving many opinions. I am very interested to see him give a full analysis now there is information to work with.

Flea I don't really have a lot to say about. If I'm not mistaken they were one of the people that were calling Cook very towny, so I guess those are points off. Eh, kinda null for me. Possible scum.

FB I think has to the highest possibility to be scum. For one, he is the only one in my lim pool that were off the cook wagon and on the dk wagon. He also outright defended Cook mid day 1. When I look for scum in the dk wagon, his vote was seemingly the most sudden read of dk. He didn't have a lot to say about dk and suddenly scum read them after they were being run up. Finally, a minor point, tris' major push was on FB and it does make sense that a team with FB would want to nk her. In fairness, the nk can't be solely attributed to FB since she did come out of the day looking good having hard defended dk, but it does fit.

VOTE: FB

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Do you think Cook was the only mafia member trying to divert one of the wagons onto Jim?

I think Andre and probably bugspray are town, so probably just Cook yeah.

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Theres a claimed roleblock action?

There is a dead roleblocker

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Though to be fair, the biggest problem with this maybe and something to think about, is that Tris is Null and was shot, and flipped Vanilla. Scum maybe would want to avoid that, and perhaps shoot amongst the more obvious Town. Then again, I do believe I understand why nopoint wasn’t fired at.

I figured it was going to be you or nopoint getting nk, but I do think it makes sense he would leave alive nopoint as I believe nopoint had been calling him town and tris was calling him scum.

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And egix has been calling you scum so maybe you aren't as obvtown as a I perceive.

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To be clear, I very much read you town. My point was I don't think the rest of the thread sees you as obvtown as I do.

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If Andre did vote with DkKobra for Essoa, and the wagon built and she flipped town, Andre knew there would absolutely be questions asked of him so from a scum!pov it would be best to not touch her with a 50 foot pole.

But, why would he interject instead of letting town fight and vote each other?

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If Andre did vote with DkKobra for Essoa, and the wagon built and she flipped town, Andre knew there would absolutely be questions asked of him so from a scum!pov it would be best to not touch her with a 50 foot pole.

But, why would he interject instead of letting town fight and vote each other?

Is it outside the realms of possibility that when scum see 2 townies going at each others throats they'd have one egg them on and another try to calm them down?

No its not impossible. But surely he should get some credit for that no?

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There's scum on that wagon, just saying.

I think both scum are off of it.

bugspray + flea is certaintly possible tho

So I intend to vote for Rlotus after I go back and look at their actual posts and not just votes.

I am still curious about an update. When I reread before the day started my feeling was Andre and I were the

most

insistent on Cook. I was very gung-ho about dk admittedly, I can definitely see why I lose points for that.

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I'm having second thoughts about FB tbh

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I'd like to point out that Andre and Bugspray are the only remaining players who were onboard the Jim wagon, the alternate wagon to Cook on D1. The other 2 players on the Jim wagon (Tris and DjKobra) both flipped town. I highly doubt Cook was the only mafia member voting for Jim, and incidentally both Andre and Bugspray were also on the DjKobra wagon as well as mine. PoE says one of them must be scum.

Posts like that do give me the impression he is really trying to solve

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Same feeling I had about him on D1

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It bothers me how gerain uses a voting analysis as his major way to read the game, yet pretty much stays out of the way of any wagon. Like, his system is designed to make himself look good. I don't know if that makes him scum necessarily, still want further thoughts than just analysis of votes.

I'll just UNVOTE: for now

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I think one or both scum could kind of coast here expecting the town block to just fall onto FB like what happened with dk. Myself, andre, nopoint, and Jim have all said FB is a fine elim for today so why do they even need to put pressure there if we are going to fall onto that wagon anyway. Flea and geraint are the most obviously doing that, which would imply Flea or Gerain + bugspray/Egix. I suppose it could just be FB + Flea/Gerain. Flea or gerain are the best shots today imo.

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VOTE: geraintm

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I don't get why FB and gerain won't vote each other

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I got fruit night 2

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Can someone please explain the importance and/or relevance of the fruit? I looked it up, but am still confused as to its purpose...

It is pretty much just so that the fruit vendor can confirm himself.

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The way the votes are going the only partner for gerain I really see is egix, unless some bussing is going on. I find it doubtful though because the confirmed town openly wants to elim flea, so why would you bus gerain here. Egix appears quite town, so my vote is probably landing on flea today also, with the most probable solve being Flea + bugspray in my opinion.

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you and gerain*

Spoiler:

But yeah, what I'm thinking is this:

Jim is very likely to be town imo.
I'm also pretty sure that Lotus is town.
That leaves bugspray, geraint, and Flea.
But geraint is unlikely to be scum with bugspray, or with Flea.
Which leaves bugspray and Flea as the scumteam by PoE.

What I am being reminded of here.

yep, precisely
VOTE: flea

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Still think Flea + bugspray is most likely. There is an outside chance of it being Jim like Flea said, that makes sense from their perspective. Not really interested in looking there today.

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What do you think about Egix?

He feels town to me.

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Hum, what reflected you as towny from him?

His approach to dk when dk tried to claim mason was the towniest by far and after dk flipped green that solidified that read on him. Also I've liked his analysis he appears to be solving the game. Yeah that can be faked, but it feels genuine to me anyway.

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Ok, and what makes you think that Flea is scum?

You are psuedo confirmed, Jim and Egix are likely town. That leaves Flea, bugspray, and gerain. Gerain doesn't make sense with flea because flea has been pushing on him since yesterday. Bugspray could be his partner I guess, but came out voting gerain today. So, Flea + bugspray.

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Egix + geraintm is the most sensible team if Flea is really town. Egix scum still doesn't feel right to me tho.

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Egix/gerain makes a lot of sense, but Egix/bugspray is distinctly possible as well. In any case Egix is where I'm looking at for today.

I'm VT btw.

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Egix/gerain makes a lot of sense, but Egix/bugspray is distinctly possible as well. In any case Egix is where I'm looking at for today.

I'm VT btw.

alright, who do you dayvig?

egix

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Yeah I'm pretty much decided

VOTE: Egix

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ggs

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geraintm you had us with your vote analysis

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I mean that's what happens when you claim someone's role

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I have to give props to RLotus. You got everyone to townread you. Plus, You knew both nopoint/Clidd and I were mason, and still let us live. Having masons in the game ended up being against town favor, since it lead to Dk's elim, and ultimately helped set the stage to get me to elim Egix.

I had a lot of fun with this one. Thank you all!

Hey thanks, we got pretty fortunate hitting zuko then finding out the PRs pretty quickly