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[Esooa]

first VOTE: esooa

u wanna die?

[Esooa]

forgot I even fucking signed up for this koba baited me into doing it I have to read the rules again

[Esooa]

is this game closed? yes I am forcing a dumb tell

is there anything else about it?

[Esooa]

crumbing my gated investigative role here

are you a simple rolecop?

SIMPle rolecop got em

[Esooa]

bugspray

[Esooa]

I literally didn't say that for any reason I'm kinda just being a spaz rn lol sorry

[Esooa]

[Esooa]

esooa confirmed pervert

hard claiming

[Esooa]

just btw if koba town reads me I'm probably scum and if they scum read me I'm probably town

[Esooa]

i can read ppl better in games where there are actual nightkills

lmfao wait koba both the games we played there weren't night kills I just realized

[Esooa]

I can't see the picture

[Esooa]

no I'M only playing because of koba

[Esooa]

I never would have even looked in the sign up thread if koba didn't tell me to join this game

[Esooa]

this is JUST like animal farm

[Esooa]

wait andres i just realized u never got nommed for rising star for 2020. actually makes me sad.

i am 12 and this is funny

Is it bad that I also thought that was funny? I don’t know what that says about me.

Buddying noted.

was this relevant

[Esooa]

hi

[Esooa]

VOTE: geraintm

[Esooa]

if u claim a pr now my vote gets frozen here

I claim pr

[Esooa]

VOTE: geraintm

Have you played with geraintm before?

no

[Esooa]

Alright Cook fine I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

Let’s try something else.

VOTE: Esooa

I call bullshit on the PR claim.

it's true. I'm a wolf role cop

[Esooa]

VOTE: geraintm

Have you played with geraintm before?

was there a reason for this question btw

[Esooa]

btw unless Andres gives some really good content starting now I'm pretty sure they're scum

[Esooa]

nopoint reads are really bad this player is >rand town by a decent amount rn

[Esooa]

andres is a slow start player relax

their lack of content isn't why I'm scum reading them I'm just saying they're gonna need to do a decent amount to change my mind

[Esooa]

andres is a slow start player relax

their lack of content isn't why I'm scum reading them I'm just saying they're gonna need to do a decent amount to change my mind

ok i think ur wrong on how youre reading them so far since ive seen nothing readable from them unless you've played with andres before lol

dkkoba day 1 reads like

this is sarcastic btw sorry

[Esooa]

andres is a slow start player relax

their lack of content isn't why I'm scum reading them I'm just saying they're gonna need to do a decent amount to change my mind

Pfft okay.

[Esooa]

andres is a slow start player relax

their lack of content isn't why I'm scum reading them I'm just saying they're gonna need to do a decent amount to change my mind

ok i think ur wrong on how youre reading them so far since ive seen nothing readable from them unless you've played with andres before lol

dkkoba day 1 reads like

this is sarcastic btw sorry

ok so why do you scumread andres

idk?? I wanna see what happens if I do

[Esooa]

esooa, what is your read on Cook so far and their reaction to being wagoned early?

wall post entry was weird, nopoint vote decently bad

reaction? I don't really know. didn't stand out to me at all. which is probably town but eh idk

[Esooa]

cook/esooa prob partnered if cook flips scum.

so true

[Esooa]

re: Esooa's post or Cook's, sorry?

I thought your wording was funny.

Look, if you had said something like (and I’ve done this myself actually with players I know will constantly misread me) if this player SRs me, you know I’m Town. Then sure, that’s fine. But if they TR you... why would that all of a sudden point to you as Scum? Either you’re Scum or you’re not.

trying to understand this paragraph about my 100% joke post is making my brain twist itself into knots

[Esooa]

Well esooa why did you include the part about me TRing you, when we only have 2 games together, one where i DID end up with the right read on you in the end mind you.

do you actually want me to engage with pedantic criticism about a joke post which includes contradictory statements

[Esooa]

I don't understand the point at all, if someone misreads you as scum when you're town that still doesn't change the fact you ARE town. So I funny get at all the reason to point out, if someone town reads me as scum I still would be scum. It's literally the same statement butt reversed and one of the statements is okay but not the other when the progress in both is identical. What am I supposed to say about this?

[Esooa]

omg I hate typing about this on phones cause now I typoed and it's just confusing

[Esooa]

bruh I can't type

[Esooa]

Well esooa why did you include the part about me TRing you, when we only have 2 games together, one where i DID end up with the right read on you in the end mind you.

i just wanna understand your thought process

because I was giving other players a metric by which to read me this game: if you read me as town, other players should assume I'm scum. If you read me as scum, other players should assume I'm town

[Esooa]

Oh so now its serious?
Wasn't it a joke 5 minutes ago?

yes koba my metric is completely serious every player in this game should seriously read me by sheeping the opposite of your read

[Esooa]

No, you said it was a joke - now you're implying there's some seriousness to it - which is it?

how about the fact there's no seriousness implied anywhere

[Esooa]

Well esooa why did you include the part about me TRing you, when we only have 2 games together, one where i DID end up with the right read on you in the end mind you.

do you actually want me to engage with pedantic criticism about a joke post which includes contradictory statements

[Esooa]

So you're choosing to not directly answer the question - understood.

yeah I'm not going to answer a loaded question

how about you answer a real question

where did I imply it was serious

[Esooa]

Koba are you getting anything useful out of this conversation?

ok tbh probably not but i am thorough

there's nothing thorough about demanding explanation for things which need none it's just a waste of time

[Esooa]

nopoint reads are really bad this player is >rand town by a decent amount rn

I’m curious about this statement actually. What makes you so certain of this?

they don't care what people think about them at all, they naked voted twice to put out what they need to. Nothing artificial, nothing faked to put on a show and tell us theyre town. But at the same time they're not doing nothing, they're voting. It's pretty towny if u ask me. Dunno how to explain it all but yeah, this kinda behavior is just towny

[Esooa]

nopoint reads are really bad this player is >rand town by a decent amount rn

I’m curious about this statement actually. What makes you so certain of this?

As in, for one, how do you nopoint’s reads are actually bad?

I meant it as in the nopoint reads are bad. The people scum reading them have bad reasons

[Esooa]

So you're choosing to not directly answer the question - understood.

yeah I'm not going to answer a loaded question

how about you answer a real question

where did I imply it was serious

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Your lack of direct answer here is duly noted.

you fishing for bullshit to call people scummy with is duly noted

[Esooa]

I’m not going to disagree with you that putting votes out there and just seeing what happens can absolutely be Towny behavior. Totally on-board with that. But it’s not just the behavior - you said the actual votes are bad. nopoint voted Polaris and Cook. Are you saying you are sure both Polaris and Cook are Town?

I meant it as the nopoint reads are bad, I said this in response to agrix and cook scum reading and voting nopoint

[Esooa]

what if everyone talking rn was town and mafia thought they'd get an easy attempt to get town infighting to happen here

yeah good luck convincing me of that

[Esooa]

I’m not going to disagree with you that putting votes out there and just seeing what happens can absolutely be Towny behavior. Totally on-board with that. But it’s not just the behavior - you said the actual votes are bad. nopoint voted Polaris and Cook. Are you saying you are sure both Polaris and Cook are Town?

I meant it as the nopoint reads are bad, I said this in response to agrix and cook scum reading and voting nopoint

Okay but then you’re expressing a fair amount of certainty that nopoint is Town based on two naked votes and not a single word of content. It seems like a stretch to me.

call it a stretch if you want that's what I do to make reads. I called someone lock scum in a game koba and I finished on this site just barely based on their entry post. And they were scum

[Esooa]

I seriously do not need advice regarding this I only use confidence to try and make people town read me and sheep me more

[Esooa]

idk why people get so hung up on that

[Esooa]

I’m sorry but I’m not going to sheep you. Even if I thought you were Town. And that’s only because I trust my process more than I trust this random track record you are pointing to.

ok I wasn't asking you to?

[Esooa]

andres can u sheep me and vote andres thnx

[Esooa]

normally I'd call koba scum because getting in the way of people and questioning them incessantly with no real goal is scummy but unfortunately they just do that

[Esooa]

like demanding I answer about a joke post immediately after I vote andres is basically asking me to turbo koba then andres if koba is scum but we'll see

[Esooa]

but I think andres did come off as towny in the previous few pages

[Esooa]

esooa if u keep just saying things and then refusing to answer ur just gonna tank ur credibility even if ur right. like relax and actually realize that u know some of us here don't know the alignment of ur role PM and are reasonably paranoid of u and need proof and cant just take u on face value.

I'll talk to people but I don't think your way of doing it is very useful and it's annoying more than anything so I didn't answer

I explained to andres about my nopoint read though and that was cool and fun and productive imo

[Esooa]

so you don't want me to be able to sort you?

it's not really my primary concern no

but ok I'm bored now what do you need to ask

[Esooa]

no

[Esooa]

so you don't want me to be able to sort you?

it's not really my primary concern no

but ok I'm bored now what do you need to ask

god ur playstyle is so antitown

you're literally just wrong

[Esooa]

hey koba how did you feel when you say your pm told you you were scum this game? pls answer it's important

[Esooa]

saw your pm*

[Esooa]

hey koba how did you feel when you say your pm told you you were scum this game? pls answer it's important

You’re not helping the game state.

I was answering kobas "how is questioning bad" with this

[Esooa]

No, you said it was a joke - now you're implying there's some seriousness to it - which is it?

No, you said it was a joke - now you're implying there's some seriousness to it - which is it?

how about the fact there's no seriousness implied anywhere

So you're choosing to not directly answer the question - understood.

here's why I stopped answering/engaging koba

they're putting intention that isn't anywhere in my posts and when I say as much they try and imply rejecting a loaded questions premise is scummy

no interest in this

[Esooa]

but you literally did imply there was seriousness to it

??

[Esooa]

Well esooa why did you include the part about me TRing you, when we only have 2 games together, one where i DID end up with the right read on you in the end mind you.

i just wanna understand your thought process

because I was giving other players a metric by which to read me this game: if you read me as town, other players should assume I'm scum. If you read me as scum, other players should assume I'm town

there's no way koba reads this and things I'm ACTUALLY wanting people to read me like this

where have I said anyone should?

I am literally answering their question about the content of the joke

[Esooa]

"Well esooa why did you include the part about me TRing you"

I am answering why something is in a *joke* post

the content of which, is a joke

I explained, as was asked, the content of it

[Esooa]

where have I said anyone should?

i never said you said that. i've repeatedly said that you

implied

it and now you're just twisting my words

giving other players a metric

i really have never seen someone use this kind of more technical phrasing when trying to justify a joke in good faith

the solution to the second part is not demand answers about an nai joke

which btw "being thorough" is a bad excuse because there are other things to ask about

also, Kobas assumption when they read an implication, and someone says no that implication isn't there, should be there's a misunderstanding and not that I am literally trying to gaslight koba by saying the implication wasn't there. Especially over something so minor.

About the first quote. Sure, I wouldn't need to say it exactly. But do you think I ever intended for people to actually read me based on the opposite of what koba reads me as?

[Esooa]

by the way I hope you can see why I wanted to say "stop asking people about jokes because this is stupid" four pages ago

considering what the last 4 pages have brought

[Esooa]

also, Kobas assumption when they read an implication, and someone says no that implication isn't there, should be there's a misunderstanding and not that I am literally trying to gaslight koba by saying the implication wasn't there. Especially over something so minor.

so after i point out you twisting my words (specifically wrt the word imply) you then just write this thing about gaslighting?
like is this deadass?

yes because my response was to say, okay, I know that I wouldn't need to have actually literally said it

like, y'know, agreeing that maybe the specific thing I said there was off base

as is normal

[Esooa]

too lazy to ms paint this but you get the general idea

I like how you post this when I'm trying to actually explain to bugspray what I say

this is why I tell you to fuck off instead of explaining to you

I'll explain to bugspray though

[Esooa]

esooa ur doing a bad job in convincing me ur not just playing towards a scum wincon here.

you're the last person I want to convince cause you're way too dense irt any of it so yeah

I don't really care?

[Esooa]

u literally don't know how to read people who push on you esooa. stand down.

I'm not trying to read you I'm telling you answering your questions gets about as far as not answering them

[Esooa]

Maybe that will get you to shut up and start playing instead of whining that people want you to engage them.

I did engage with bugspray. I'm cool with talking to other people too. But you don't even try which I'm not trying to read you over because I'm pretty sure it's nai for you

[Esooa]

Can you quote where I didn't try to?

I explained on the previous page

doing things like assuming my intentions in a post as being serious when that makes sense, assuming when I tell you that was never my intention that I'm just straight up gaslighting you, unless you think the calling my joke serious was a slip, in which case my joke must've in some way been serious which is absurd

just generally your behavior regarding the conservation is to unfairly assume malicious intent. Which okay, it's mafia. But I'm not going to engage with someone who does that because engaging with them will lead to nothing productive. So if that's your preogative maybe understand I'm not going to engage with your mindset?

[Esooa]

makes zero sense* oops guess my typo was a slip

[Esooa]

like you understand that there is no avenue in which you can think I actually was meaning what I said seriously

there is none, if I'm scum orif I'm town. Yet when I answer your question in a completely normal way (what? is it not possible to seriously explain the content of something not serious?) you jump to that conclusion for no reason

[Esooa]

there's literally nothing contradictory in my original post. The best you can say is that it's tonally off, like bugspray did

[Esooa]

bugspray says my language was too technical for the justification of a joke. This is what you wanted to get hung up on? Like okay

[Esooa]

I've called you scum about zero times this conversation, I'm saying what you're doing is nai, but I'm not going to say that I said things I didn't just cause you feel like hounding me on it