Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

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Hey everyone...

VOTE: clarkbar

You just made me think about breaking my diet with candy.

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Hello. This is my first game on this site.

How to play as Mafia Goon? What it do?

You're lovely...

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Greetings Comrades.

There is simply only room in here for 1 person with numbers in their name and it shall be I.

VOTE: safebet222

OMGUS

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A couple of questions for everyone...

What's your experience with mafia?
Why do you like to play mafia in general and forum mafia specifically?

This is my 5th forum game, third one in the last few months. I also have played some chat mafia. I think Mafia is fascinating and suspenseful and I like the fact that its mainly people younger than myself that play. I prefer forum mafia over chat mafia because my mind doesn't work so fast and I naturally am careful with what I write.

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So there is forum mafia... Real life mafia, chat mafia and video mafia. I'm asking why do you like playing mafia, whatever kind of Mafia it is...and why you like forum mafia compared to other kinds of mafia.

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VOTE: flow trap

This is at least a partially serious vote. Don't want to discuss why right now.

So how can you have a serious vote of 3 people haven't even checked in?

Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhy

OMGUS?

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No... He's voting you because you voted him. Thats what it refers to.

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Ok... If you say so.

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New meta to counter Not_Mafia players.

Count like he is on E-1 but actually that's E-2.

What did he do? Lolhammer someone?

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Not_Mafia is a person who plays on this site..

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Not_Mafia is a person who plays on this site..

And he lolhammers.

I don't want this scenario to repeat.

Eh... I didn't see his name on the player list...

VOTE: flow trap

That's E-1. My theory is nobody's dumb enough to hammer.

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VOTE: safebet222

Random Fact about Iceland: Iceland has gone to war 3 times over cod from 1958 to 1976.

See... Told you no one would hammer.

UNVOTE: flow trap

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yeah i am 100% suspicious of safebet after that

Why? Like what motivation do I have to do that as scum?

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VOTE: safebet222

Random Fact about Iceland: Iceland has gone to war 3 times over cod from 1958 to 1976.

See... Told you no one would hammer.

UNVOTE: flow trap

You want to continue to risk someone hammering by replacing your vote?

Nah... I think I made my point.

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yeah i am 100% suspicious of safebet after that

Why? Like what motivation do I have to do that as scum?

Where's your motivation to do that as town? There's no positives from dancing around flow traps wagon like this.

Reactions... Gotta have reactions to start getting somewhere.

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So what were you going to do? Twiddle your thumbs until sxum raise their hand and say, "Its me!"

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So what were you going to do? Twiddle your thumbs until sxum raise their hand and say, "Its me!"

What are you gonna do, risk having potential harmful effects on town and make yourself look like a wolf?
There's plenty of different ways to reaction test, putting someone on e-1 doesn't achieve anything.

I beg to differ.

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VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

Starting a day off with a vote for one of my SRs

Elaborate please.

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You see, Fred's reaction to my vote struck me as more legit than some of the others.

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What did you think of EZ's reaction? It seemed a bit forced and exaggerated.

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yeah i am 100% suspicious of safebet after that

Why? Like what motivation do I have to do that as scum?

If anyone/your scum partner hammered at that point, it would definitely benefit the team mafia cause

(i)

if you are the mafia then you know

flow trap

is a town, so a miselimination would occur and,

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the day would over without discussing anything, the town would stay behind.
Can't find any town motivation from your E-1 vote.

Then you're not thinking hard enough

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yeah i am 100% suspicious of safebet after that

Why? Like what motivation do I have to do that as scum?

Where's your motivation to do that as town? There's no positives from dancing around flow traps wagon like this.

Reactions... Gotta have reactions to start getting somewhere.

Okay, fair enough...

Sorry Sal... I missed this.

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So right now, for me, FoS is pointing at EZ and Spartan.

EZ for an unnatural response to my flow vote and Spartan for voting there when he did. Easy to slip by sandwiched between votes on a flash wagon.

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I disagree with slipping in sandwiched between votes, I had intended with my vote to give the pressure to create the conversation that ultimately ended up being created by your vote, I had not imagined we would go to L-1 so soon after, I did not think there would be enough pressure with only 2 votes on to incite the conversation I wanted, I thought putting it at L-2 would suffice.

Noted.

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VOTE: esotericzoomer

Another wagon anybody?

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And you'd perfer to still bebtalking about the finer points of vanilla mafia?

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Hi my name is safebet. I am scum. Let's put someone at E-1 for 18 minutes. That seems like a great scum strat...

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EZ, would you agree that mafia doesn't want attention?

No not at all. Being the loudest voice in the room can help you control town or at the very least blend in.
Depends on how anxious the player is.

Players who intentionally fly under the radar are going to be noticed and come under fire.

That is bass ackwards...

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So Fred... What do you think of the reactions so far? Do you still think I am deserving of your vote?

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EZ, would you agree that mafia doesn't want attention?

No not at all. Being the loudest voice in the room can help you control town or at the very least blend in.
Depends on how anxious the player is.

Players who intentionally fly under the radar are going to be noticed and come under fire.

So town would fly under the radar more?

No? Town would commit, create reads, and not cause confusion.

I created no confusion... I comitted to geting this game moving...and it worked. Plus, I didn't like enchant trying to impose some new fangled meta on us.

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If I didn't know any better, I'd think that enchant is trying to pocket Salsa. She was quick hammered by Not_Mafia and enchant in Newbie 2042 during D2 and they passed that shit off as a lolhammer that enchant rode into F3 and won for mafia.

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All this new meta stuff might just be a ploy aimed at Salsa. Enchant, did you draw mafia again?

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All this new meta stuff might just be a ploy aimed at Salsa. Enchant, did you draw mafia again?

Yes, oh wait i mean no.

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So Fred... What do you think of the reactions so far? Do you still think I am deserving of your vote?

You are worthy of my vote. Hence, my vote is on you.

I mean can you at least tell me why? Please?

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@mod... I think you missed my vote on post 144.

fixed! ~f

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It is common practice to announce intent to hammer as a way of confirming consensus and allowing time for the target of the hammer to claim. When the hammer happens without the claim of intent, whether by accident or design, they call it a lolhammer.

What happened to you my dear Salsabil in 2042 was a quickhammer, when scum coordinate on a hammer without consent from the town. It is most often used in ELo.

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Analysing for pairs just aint it chief

UNVOTE: EZ

Yep. You hit the nail on the head.

Plus, I think Prism is probably right. If you were called out on being disingenuous with your outrage, you'd have probably found something else to shift your attention to.

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I do what works

It's a gateway to getting stuck in confbias
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VOTE: safebet

That's ironic coming from you considering that the only real thing you've done so far is scumread me and defend your actions to anyone who cares to differ. Talk about skirting on conf bias.

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But you're not wrong.

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What's the difference?

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@safe @EZ since you guys are about what do you think of Fredrick so far?

Other than finding his response to my vote as being genuine, he's been rather cryptic and aloof. Not sure if it AI or not.

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Just finished reading the thread up to now.

Some players have found my vote switch to flow trap suspicious because I didn't want to attract suspicion (Enchant in 150 comes to mind). If I don't want to be voted out, I don't see why I shouldn't take the effort not to seem overly scummy.

Will post other thoughts soon.

Oh boy, so yeah, sometimes the best you can do as town is not get in the crosshairs of the daily elimination, but not always because it's often what scum do. In my experience, inexperienced scum like to do this often. I've heard it called the sweet spot. Others have said similar things in this game I believe.

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I won't be around much tonight but I do think there's enough here for a reads list, which I plan to get to before anything else. Keep in mind that we have 8 days to come to a decision and we should probably make a concerted effort to consolidate on a wagon in the next 3 or 4 so there is enoigh time for claims and counter claims before deadline.

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Just a note, I started this this morning and there has been a ton of activity. I read through it and it hasn't changed my reads much. Also, I've been a bit busy the last 36 hours and looks like the weekend will also be busy for me.

These are my current reads...

Enchant - I think both his wish to impose new "meta" inconjunction with voting flow trap and not genuinely interacting with him despite flow having the most activity by far is cause for concern. Put that together with his ingenuine attempts at endearing himself to others. He is a current scum read.

Salsabil - Although I think Salsabil could start using the Mafiascum wiki a bit more to learn some of the abbreviations and terminology (I still look at it all the time to decipher some of these people on this site), I think she has been a solid contributor to the game. Her lines of questioning seem genuine and she seems to have a healthy skepticism of certain play styles while keeping an open mind to possibilities and associations. Current town read.

Prism- Looks like he posts less but tries to make them all count. I can relate, I am trying something different this game but I'm not sure I really want to anymore. I tend toward this style myself. So far I like what (he, she,they??) have brought to the game. I especially like how they are trying to pull flow traps ear for being a clown. I fully realize that helpful SE can be scum also, but overall, town read for now.

floo - So far a little lurky but when he is around has brought up some good points, seems to be putting enough effort into the game. I would like to see more reads on folks not named Flow Trap or Esotericzoomer. Town lean.

Spartan - Gonna put Spartan in the group of players that are putting decent effort into trying to sort folks out and bounce ideas off others. I like that they announced their feeling that flow trap vs Salsa was S v. Tand then went about trying to sort flow. So far, leaning town.

Frederick - Besides seeing his response to my vote as genuine, he hasn't done squat. He's been aloof and cryptic. Fred, please contribute something more then this crap, I know you're capable. Null

EsotericZoomer - I just went over your iso and caught post 153... It is offensive... posting hate symbols should be an immediate policy elim. See https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/souther ... d=42419782 I am too angry about that to properly read him right now.

Flow Trap - Fake as hell. Zero reaction to being put on E-1, elusive, aloof, clownish at times. Anti-town at best, scum trying to flood the thread with fluff at worst. The scum pair table is a joke.

VOTE: flow trap

We might have gotten lucky with the first flash wagon.

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I plan on elaborating more on my vote, my intentions and what I have learned in the next 24 hours, but I need to cool off. I'm pretty livid and want to give EZ a chance to retract.

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jfc

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