Newbie 2051: Iceland! - End!

[Enchant]

Hello. This is my first game on this site.

How to play as Mafia Goon? What it do?

[Enchant]

Salsa.

Can you change your color, please? It hurts.

[Enchant]

Yes, it's better.

[Enchant]

It's my third game on the forum.

I more like chat mafia, because it fast placed.
At general, i don't know why i love. Vanilla mafia (like this one) is not type i like.

[Enchant]

Vanilla Mafia i calling is boring setups like "Just townies and maybe doctor/cop/SK".

[Enchant]

Ye, like 15 or such people, and everyone have powerole.

[Enchant]

Yeeaaah.

So i'm not good at game, where main source of info is people yelling on each other.

[Enchant]

Yeeaaah.

So i'm not good at game, where main source of info is people yelling on each other.

Dude, you won Newbie 2046 by fooling the town perfectly! If you are not good, don't know who can be!!

It's easy to explain.

I was Mafia and i didn't need info at all, just lie and pretend like i search for info. In Newbie 2048 i failed as Town Jailkeeper. We won though, but that's not because me certanly.

Pretenting easier than doing actually.

[Enchant]

It's time.

VOTE: flow trap

[Enchant]

You did that cause I could defend myself

Maybe.

[Enchant]

Then don't die.

[Enchant]

Thx :/

No problem.

are these still rvs votes or nah

No.


Also that's E-2, so don't place new votes. Hammer allways risk.

[Enchant]

New meta to counter Not_Mafia players.

Count like he is on E-1 but actually that's E-2.

[Enchant]

Not_Mafia is a person who plays on this site..

And he lolhammers.

I don't want this scenario to repeat.

[Enchant]

We should start from something.

[Enchant]

I could explain a bit later.

[Enchant]

That's something interesting.

Your theory sadly wrong, newbie can place final vote and after probably die 2d because of that. Or even get away with that. Depends. Result same: Minus unclaimed townie so he can't claim and save self.

It's just not worth it. I like your risk though. Mafia would just follow.

[Enchant]

What SR means?

[Enchant]

What you have to say about me? Just wondering.

I voted you as well.

[Enchant]

Found this sus to even insinuate it is somewhat serious a vote this early on with such little discussion, unless ofc this is to obtain a reaction and read responses.

Right, as I explained I said it was "partially serious" to avoid seeming scummy / too random.

I probably ask something nonsense, but really want.

Why you think placing votes suspicious? Do you really care how suspicious are you?

Of course explaining votes is good, but doing that and claiming you did that just to don't seem suspicious for that is really something strange.

Town supposed to push suspicious people, you know.

[Enchant]

Probably he meant, mafia want get gold midway.

Not so loud, not so silent. Of course, it depends on situation.

[Enchant]

All this new meta stuff might just be a ploy aimed at Salsa. Enchant, did you draw mafia again?

Yes, oh wait i mean no.

[Enchant]

About hammers. This site is first where i see it exists. Really.

Early i just played with system "Vote for someone, and after this, everyone vote should execute him or no", so mafia just can't place final vote and get scotfree. They need to lie/decieve, not just abuse fast fingers and online.


I want minimalise possibility of some mafia/townie placing final vote and claiming "Oh sorry didn't saw that", and save self from thinking, did he on purpose or no. Also it saves possible PR and actually costs nothing.

[Enchant]

Btw, what is the difference between hammer and lolhammer?

hammer intended by most, and this is collective decision.
lolhammer is just because voter wanted to.

[Enchant]

Btw, what is the difference between hammer and lolhammer?

hammer intended by most, and this is collective decision.
lolhammer is just because voter wanted to.

Hmm... so the person who knows a word like lolhammer but don't know what SR indicates, seems like a LAMIST (Look At Me, I'm So Town) thing to me.

I know what lolhammer means, because i did it with you.

SR is new term for me. I prefer "Suspicious"

[Enchant]

Btw, what is the difference between hammer and lolhammer?

hammer intended by most, and this is collective decision.
lolhammer is just because voter wanted to.

Hmm... so the person who knows a word like lolhammer but don't know what SR indicates, seems like a LAMIST (Look At Me, I'm So Town) thing to me.

I know what lolhammer means, because i did it with you.

SR is new term for me. I prefer "Suspicious"

I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt you know, really do.... but I was burned once, really don't want to get burned again.

With same reason Mini tried vote me out 1d, and she was mafia. I hope you doesh't abuse this excuse?

[Enchant]

Btw, what is the difference between hammer and lolhammer?

hammer intended by most, and this is collective decision.
lolhammer is just because voter wanted to.

Hmm... so the person who knows a word like lolhammer but don't know what SR indicates, seems like a LAMIST (Look At Me, I'm So Town) thing to me.

I know what lolhammer means, because i did it with you.

SR is new term for me. I prefer "Suspicious"

I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt you know, really do.... but I was burned once, really don't want to get burned again.

With same reason Mini tried vote me out 1d, and she was mafia. I hope you doesh't abuse this excuse?

Well, I just find out you asked the same question about SR in Newbie 2042 (post 193) and got the answer from the immediate next post (post 194). Also, I don't understand this sentence:

I hope you doesh't abuse this excuse?

Oh no, you catched me.


Actually gonna admit, yes, i asked this allready. This term never used after (All used "Scum read" instead) so i forgot about it.

[Enchant]

Can you put the long quotes in a spoiler?

Sure.

[Enchant]

Other than esotericzoomer and me, who gave negative attention to safebet222 for his E-1 vote on you?

That's a loaded question

1. To a normal person, what safe did is blatantly scummy
2. Scum does not want to act scummy
3. Town does not care about acting scummy
3. Therefore mostly town would do this

Mafia know this too, and can imitate dumb thoughs.

[Enchant]

Mafia know this too, and can imitate dumb thoughs

Then it would be a mafia thing then it wouldn't be a mafia thing because mafia wouldn't act like mafia and then it would be because it's no longer a mafia thing to do which would make it a mafia thing

Yes.

[Enchant]

Spoiler:

Mafia know this too, and can imitate dumb thoughs

Then it would be a mafia thing then it wouldn't be a mafia thing because mafia wouldn't act like mafia and then it would be because it's no longer a mafia thing to do which would make it a mafia thing

Yes.

...since it is a mafia thing mafia won't want to do it, if mafia are expected to not do it then they would, which means they wouldn't and I could go in circles forever

Yes.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Just putting some heat here

Thanks, it's cold here.


Really, if you annonce "THIS VOTE IS FOR PRESSURE" then i know this vote is for pressure and theorically give you nothing, so maybe you give something?

[Enchant]

I got why he voted me.

Looking will be my partner try rescue me? Well. Good idea, but very badly made.

[Enchant]

Here's my pair analysis, yellow is unlikely

I don't get this. Can you/anyone explain me with words?

Sigh.

Unlikely pairs:

Salsa+Enchant
Salsa+Safe
Salsa+Spartan

Enchant+Salsa
Enchant+Floo

Floo+Enchant
Floo+Spartan

Safe+Salsa
Safe+Zoomer

Zoomer+Safe
Zoomer+Spartan

Spartan+Salsa
Spartan+Floo
Spartan+Zoomer
Spartan+FaC

FaC+Spartan

[Enchant]

Reminder: I exist.

What if you lying and not existing actually?

Hello. This is my first game on this site.

How to play as Mafia Goon? What it do?

Enchant has played Newbie 2046 before according to Sal (44); it's a pure joke. But Enchant has not posted anything else that relates to this or is a pure joke. It looks unnatural/forced.

Also, you still haven't made any productive comments about your flow trap vote. What did you learn from the pressure you put on flow trap, and in retrospect was it a good idea?

I didn't have any yet. Need to look better.

[Enchant]

Mafia would say that.

[Enchant]

Mafia would say that.

What is that supposed to refer to?

Something.

What you think about Floo answer?

[Enchant]

We can execute on random. 2/9 chance to kill mafia you know.

Even if we execute townie, mafia will be scared and surrender.


Joking aside. I gladly anonce, that... I'm not found anything. Only Flow somewhat suspicious for me, because of that excuse, but that's probably not enough.

Maybe you should give some ways/ask me questions, and my head start working, otherwise i will just blindly walk here.

[Enchant]

Maybe you should give some ways/ask me questions, and my head start working, otherwise i will just blindly walk here.

What do you think of Salsa+Zoomer interactions?

Well, they kinda fine with each other.

Only times when they interact is explaining terms and agreeing that Flow is suspicious.

Though only Zoomer placed vote, when all i want is answers. Maybe they are trying distance, but not so obvious and so he coach her on public.

But... Aren't mafia then suppose to imitate different thoughs, to give expression like they dislike each other or think in opposite direction? Push from both mafia can bite later.


So i may bet, they are most likely not both mafia.

[Enchant]

... i messed up with message? So you see spoiler?

[Enchant]

Who said there's any?

I don't know. You looking like more likely mafia than him though. Your picks like suspection of people for changing mind is like you search for excuses for accuse.

Also, while you agreed and not voted, he agreed and voted. May be agressive maf, but... Eh. Too early to decide.

[Enchant]

Yes. I said exactly that, not "They probably not maf both, but one of them surely there".

[Enchant]

Fine Salsa.

Do you changed your suspects from last time?

[Enchant]

VOTE: Fredrick

Hey, i won mafiatest, and got -11, while he got -5.

Why you not pushing me, but instead change mind soo easy.

[Enchant]

English not my native language as well, so probably should explain this one.


Salsa asked, who i think mafia in Salsa+Zoomer, while i wondered where someone said like there's one for sure. This is answer, because i said "They probably not both mafia" and I DID NOT said "They probably not both mafia, but there's one mafia for sure".

I never said like i think there's 100% mafia in this pair, because i'm not sure in this.

I hope i explained it.

[Enchant]

You will hate me for this.

I will hammer anyone, if i see him at E-1.

Don't put people on E-1 unless you surely decide you want them dead. Ask for claims on E-2, so mafia can't trade self on some Cop claim with instant punch.

I decided on it, so don't argue.

[Enchant]

I'm a big fan of realtime interactions, which in my experience are a lot harder for scum to fake. I'll be around for awhile. If anyone wants to talk to me about a read of mine or yours, let me know.

What you think about Salsa?

[Enchant]

Going through your ISO Enchant it's not clear to me what your thoughts are on her. You've spent a lot of time responding to her interrogations regarding terminology/which ones you should know.

Where are you at on her?

Has anything changed since 395 where you didn't have any scumreads, just the initial ping on flow? I'm curious about Frederick/safebet.

I find her somewhat suspicious for trying changing meaning of what i say and picks on mind change, but i can't really notice difference from game where i played with her.

She not using purple color for text now.

[Enchant]

Frederick jumped on Floo, when i asked question for him.

Too harsh and impatient. I think he is townie.


I have nothing to say about safebet.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Fredrick

Hey, i won mafiatest, and got -11, while he got -5.

Why you not pushing me, but instead change mind soo easy.

Because people are more content voting fredrick than they are you.

Aren't you supposed to argue with that, not just agree to execute person, who you find as less likely a mafia?

[Enchant]

Also you’re trying to discredit me by making me seem incompetent rather than countering any of the points I brought up in my wall. Only making me more confident in my read here lol

Yes.

[Enchant]

cool scumclaim

Thanks.

[Enchant]

Zoomer, on what i not responded?

[Enchant]

Well, you think i'm mafia, because of my manner of though and because i trying prevent any probality of harmful hammer.

It's not like i need counter this, as it are accuse of me being me.

[Enchant]

Yes. And what with that?

You say like i not answered, but you want me dead, not ask question, and you allready assumed like "Team is Enchant+Fred". So good luck with flips.

I agree with you about joke though. It's obvious, dunno why people get it serius.

[Enchant]

Well, you think i'm mafia, because of my manner of though and because i trying prevent any probality of harmful hammer.

It's not like i need counter this, as it are accuse of me being me.

I kinda explained why.

[Enchant]

No, i did.

All your accusations is for my not serius behavior and also trying to make hammers less harmful.

Well, too bad, if you think my behavior is against town condition, you are wrong.

[Enchant]

What post? I'm not getting.

[Enchant]

Yes. I ignore, because:

No, i did.

All your accusations is for my not serius behavior and also trying to make hammers less harmful.

Well, too bad, if you think my behavior is against town condition, you are wrong.

I don't want waste time on your wall. Kinda pointless.

[Enchant]

Why not voting me then.

[Enchant]

At your service.

[Enchant]

I said I scumread Enchant because of no explanations, and I get a "VOTE ME!" instead of an explanation...

You think i'm mafia and not voting me.

Classic.

[Enchant]

Quickly read through Fredrick and Salsabil's ISOs once. Didn't find anything scummy that stood out to me. I don't want to hold up the game by forcing myself to make detailed reads.

VOTE: Enchant with your permission, of course

I allow you.

[Enchant]

Then why not voting.

[Enchant]

Then why not voting.

Lot's of reasons

What reasons?

If i'm main mafia there, but you have some reasons to not execute me, why you don't speak about them.

[Enchant]

If i'm main mafia there, but you have some reasons to not execute me, why you don't speak about them.

Because the sky is red

Sure.

[Enchant]

Ok, my TRs at this time are Prism & Floo

Could you explain your scumreads and why they are your scrum reads?

They not calling them scum, they calling them town.

I think.

[Enchant]

I have actually failed to finish reading the thread. Will someone explain their case against me?

They think you are my mafia partner.

[Enchant]

I have actually failed to finish reading the thread. Will someone explain their case against me?

They think you are my mafia partner.

Why do they think so? (Someone other than Enchant may answer)

You should check Zoomer post with reads, it explains bitta everything.

[Enchant]

Post 444.

[Enchant]

You are too talkative for quiet person, quiet. Welcome.

About Prism. I want to think he is town for now. There's reasons stated before.
But 10 years of experience is something. So, he can hide well. I will think he is townie, but watch his steps.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

[Enchant]

Oh sorry, i dind't saw this is on E-1.

[Enchant]

I was real mafia goon btw. Outplayed myself.

GG town.

[Enchant]

Oh no.

UNVOTE:

[Enchant]

My life is useless, because i'm VM aka "Village Meatshield".

So i find my exe is more preferably, because i have feeling mafia will push me later. My death not harmful right now, but if i survive for near majority, it will hurt town gradually. So i trying act like jester.

P.S. No, my intent is not gamethrow.

[Enchant]

Well if you want talk, go ahead. I will hammer self when you want to.

[Enchant]

I somehow can't act like townie as townie, and not like my scumhunting skills good, so yes, i find my death benifiting town.

No. Again, even if i save myself now, i hardly believe in ability to clean self later, where my death can decide game.

[Enchant]

Also, if you don'g want for me to selfhammer, why place vote?

[Enchant]

That's not gamethrow, my death benifits town.

[Enchant]

Call me a vigilante cause I killed chat

I CC Vigilante.

[Enchant]

Call me a vigilante cause I killed chat

I CC Vigilante.

I CC Enchant, I'm the real Enchant

I CC CC.

[Enchant]

Call me a vigilante cause I killed chat

I CC Vigilante.

I CC Enchant, I'm the real Enchant

I CC CC.

I CC the use of spaces

You won this one.

[Enchant]

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

[Enchant]

I was real mafia goon btw. Outplayed myself.

GG town.

What the hell just happened!!!

I claimed Mafia Goon.

[Enchant]

Spoiler:

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

Kinda reason why i selfvoted.

[Enchant]

Spoiler:

Okay, i bored.

I'm not Mafia, because:

1. I'm drowning and would just claim some PR to get Counterclaimed/Get freeaway ticket for now. Easy trade of my life for PR, while with just execute, mafia would get no benefit.
2. Killing self is not in mafia interest.
3. I'm town.
4. I forgot this thing will remember later.
5. I really though i was in E-1 but sadly no. There's zero point for Mafia!Me claim mafia, because it's looking i really murder self as mafia member (which is not in mafia interest).

Disregarding than, i still want to get eluminated, because how my life is dangerous.

Now you're being a pain in the ***

Kinda reason why i selfvoted.

Yes, I saw that too.... but still don't understand why you claimed to be a scum if you're a town??
Btw, how many votes you have on you at the moment?

Why not. Only mafia knows i'm not mafia, so they would act different and i will reveal as Townie anyway. You allready saw how i slipped in 2042, when asked if you are Cop/Tracker? Well.

[Enchant]

I townread myself, is i'm suspicious now?

[Enchant]

Spoiler:

Last post for a bit sorry for all the spam.

Spartan vs EZ is now the most interesting thing in this thread for me. Reading further, my first impression is town v town, but I want to revisit this and see if there’s anything to pick up. I’m walking back my immediate suspicion of Spartan a bit, but there’s something there. Also:

fyi I'm not paying attention to you (flow) as whatever alignment you are, you are anti town...

Huh. I’m breaking my word. This is an open question for anyone:

Do you think that flow trap’s play is anti-town? I’m curious where people stand. I don’t think it qualifies/am not convinced that it is, but I think hearing people’s current takes on this would be useful.

I'm not fully understand. If this is "Bad townie" then no, i can't see where he openly acting against town, and don't know why you call him that.

All play in ability they have. Playing badly is not enough to get called bad townie.

[Enchant]

Also, i appreciate efforts to townread me, it's kinda pointless, because here reasons to kill me regardless. I played badly and kinda deserved it. Whole you can think i doing this to get away, it's simple not true.

Just assume for a bit, what you will do if i flip Town, so you will not be catched out guard, when 99.9999999% mafia will reveal as Town.

I will hammer self when E-1 vote will posted, after i will say about my reads. Don't hammer me, ok?

[Enchant]

Heya enchant, can you give a full read list for posterity? Just everyone’s name and how you lean on them, though explanations are also appreciated!

Will try to get back on late tonight.

Sure. It's night time for me though so maybe later.

[Enchant]

Honestly, i dislike making these, but if you wish.

ALERT: I using my sense, not common sense what most people have, so some reasons can be insane for you to understand.

Spoiler:

Salsabil Faria - Null.

I hardly can see difference. She acted same as town when i played with her and somehow she not pushing me, which is strange. I dunno.

flow trap - Town?

He wastes time on something, what i find mafia too lazy to do. While i may disagree with pairs tablet what he done, he done it and it deserved.

Enchant - Jester

No comments.

floo - Null.

Eh. I dunno again. He unvoted me, when there is danger of my selfhammer. Would mafia do that or sit and wait before i suicide? Hmm.

quiet - Mafia?

"OH NO ENCHANT DON'T SELFHAMMER but i place vote on you, so you could do that in first place BUT PLEASE DON'T!"

... Nah, really. It's looking strange for me, especially reason why you voted me. I'm scummy? Damn, yes, but if you don't want me to selfhammer, then don't allow me.

esotericzoomer - Null.

He really think as self like mafia hunter, who catched two mafia on first day? Huh-huh, then you will disappointed. I would read this as Town, but his explaining of why he vote not main suspicious person is something i not like.

Spartan117 (SE) - Town?

E-e-eh. I know i'm town. Mafia know this as well, so it may be just some bad placed white knight. Mafia probably have some benefit if they can save me from execution, but that's plain dumb decision. I want believe this is town.

Prism (SE) - Town?

Kinda obvious why. I like game overall, but again, expireince is key here, so please, don't just blindly trust in Prism and watch steps.

Fredrick A Campbell (SE) - Town?

He hardly read game at all. I made some strange tests and can say he is probably town. Probably.

So i want believe, that's Quite and some of nulls. Or maybe i screwed this, then i really doing town favor by dying.

[Enchant]

Why you yell at each other, i'm not understand.

[Enchant]

Killing me when?

[Enchant]

1. I'm suspicious and claimed. Mafia will not target me, so primary use of VT as meatshield is destroyed.
2. I'm suspicious and mafia can after just gain legal excuse to execute me, when my death will really matter. Only thing could save this is Cop check, and Cop have more important thing to do or doesh't exist in game. And no, it's actually not my guilt, because i only started playing suspicious on intent, when i was allready main target of elumination.

I have expireince and this happens with me very often and it's common for me get away for first days, but get targeted by mafia accusations after and costing town game. It's not what way i want go.

3. No, 2/8 is not real.
You have almost same chance (or 1/8 in some cases) to reveal Town PR. And of course mafia would just reveal self as PR to trade self with them, i even don't say about how hard to pinpoint mafia at first day. I would suggest No Elumination, but i kinda did that in last game and survived only because i was PR as well, so it's not like i want break meta right now.

While you eluminate me, you not eluminating less suspicious townie (no, i hardly believe in chance to pinpoint mafia) or not revealing PR, which could save game. So i find myself not harmful target.

4. I'm not insulting my gamestyle, it's just really different and i acknowledge that and calling it bad, and i somehow can't act in other way. I just wanna tell, i'm not gamethrower. Please don't call me that.


You will figure it out, when i flip. That's all.

[Enchant]

Why would you self hammer instead of letting us have the info of someone else hammering instead

I didn't think this about it well, i was somewhat obsessed with getting myself killed and when i was though i'm on E-1, hammered. After i reread posts and noticed i'm not dead and added "Ok i'm mafia" to ensure i will get executed. Yes, i not hammered because Quiet asked that.

About Fred. Yes. I don't know why i townread him. You probably remember about that vote he done on flow, which is unlikely for mafia to do, even if somewhat off (like really he acting like calm person but puts vote on instant because of question. It would seen as Mafia action for mafia, so i have feeling they wouldn't do that in first place.


Also you still say i'm troll, which is really untrue and why i explaining this is to prevent your pissed commentary about me when i flip and to prove that elumination of me is not harmful or even benefits town.

[Enchant]

Not you, it's just harder to quote.

I answered that to Quiet.

[Enchant]

Yes, i realisated that when i writed "Oh sorry didn't notice this is E-1.

Well, framing self kinda easy.

[Enchant]

Nope.

I still want die and wait before you will do that. Nothing changed.
And i expect you to vote me out, and will against any elumination outside me, unless you find someone who looking like confirmed mafia. And you will not find him so early.

[Enchant]

Thanks.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

Punch this when you ready.

[Enchant]

No. Bad. No self votes.

If five members of this town can’t decide to vote for you, then you shouldn’t die. That’s my strong take.

If you absolutely had no choice but to vote for another player, just on instinct, who are you voting for Enchant?

I'm member of this town as well. And i have reason to selfvote. You may think that's are not good reason, but actually you will thank me later, because it's far worse situation where i live another day, just to get executed again.


I would vote anyone for any reason.
But if "instant question" i would choose Frederick. Paradox, but i really wish how he would react on this vote.
Elumination is another case. I probably would fine with anyone who i not this as town.

If you ask why not quiet. Explaination kinda have sense, and it's not like mafia could admit

[Enchant]

I writed wrong.

"Anyone who i think as town"

[Enchant]

Your vote isn't necessary for you to be shot here

Oh, well. Then why you wait.

UNVOTE:

[Enchant]

I was negative from start and it's kinda not my guilt. You will surprised how often it happens with me, with almost same result. So i know about what i talk.

It's not loser mentality, i just played badly. Admitting i played badly doesn't means i'm loser. I just understand how horrible things will later if you leave me. I die no matters what, and later is worse in this case.


P.S. Hammer me.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

[Enchant]

Well. That was interesting.

[Enchant]

Also, don't lose.

I want save my 100% winrate on this site.

[Enchant]

Never selfvote as town unless you gain a concrete mechanical advantage for doing so. Never think of yourself as valueless or “bound to be voted later.”

I had concrete mechanical advantage for doing so.

[Enchant]

Enchant, did you follow the game? Do you feel like your elimination day1 made things easier or harder for town?

Easier.