TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[Almost50]

Hello all

I am glad to see familiar faces (with the exception of hercule & Ythanm

@DGB: I rolled 3P

[Almost50]

Oh, I should also warn you all that I will try to make a good impression early on then lurk it out to eternity

@Titus, the worst & Dunn: We all know you guys voting me is inevitable, so let's get it over with.

[Almost50]

first

yoooo I was really excited for this to start and wrote an intro post this morning while I was hyped up on coffee and a fresh town flip but

now, thanks to an internet service provider who won’t be named (AT&T) i’m having a wifi outage so here I am assembling furniture on a friday night

i’ll vibe in the thread on mobile some but i’m already not really liking the experience so probably will be around more tmro

cheers happy to be here, i’m sure i’ll get a chance to introduce myself more

Hello friends.

2 townies & 1 scum in those 3.

[Almost50]

nice to see you again <3 you'd better be town

Sorry to disappoint you, but I rolled SK. I promise to side by town if you let me live though.

[Almost50]

hi ythan. am I your friend? if not are you offended that I replied? what do you make of hercule being town?

How the quack do you know hercule is town already? Just because AT&T betrayed him doesn't automatically make him a goof guy. AT&T could be early bus'ing

[Almost50]

blacklisting all of the worsts teammates worked beautifully

They're still gonna read and talk to you through him

[Almost50]

blacklisting all of the worsts teammates worked beautifully

confirmed town

confirmed villager (the innocent part I'd have to think about though)

[Almost50]

oh my meme worked Hercule is actually town
yeeet

So is Clouseau, but Sherlock is the best.

[Almost50]

You both drew red.

Who dat? I only know Drew Barrymore

[Almost50]

just dont be

the person

like A50

who posts as they catch up because everyone will want to strangle you even if

ur

he's

a cute

anime girl

white monkey

[Almost50]

VOTE: the worst

O-oh! Civil war down under!

[Almost50]

You're a goof guy

I almost always mistype the 'd' as an 'f' too

[Almost50]

*refuses the power of the inevitable*

Colour me shocked

[Almost50]

Why is me voting you inevitable?

Cuz sooner or later you are going to suspect me... as always.

[Almost50]

I'm sorry but you might actually be a goof

VOTE: Ythan

Found the guy I'm going to tunnel all game

[Almost50]

you're a good guy a50 <3

<3 <3

[Almost50]

Damn, I finished catching up and I'm only the 3rd top poster.

Maybe I should've responded to my own posts too??

[Almost50]

Let's get it poppin.

VOTE: Almost50

Mega empty posting vibes here. The couple of things that are game related are either questions that feel like they won’t go anywhere,

or arbitrary “there is scum and town here” posts without any backing

.

You wouldn't like my reasoning if I told you.

[Almost50]

this just in from Jingle: A50 and ythan are both gut town reads although not particularly strong

Tell him I'm fairly disappointed it's not a string TR when I'm very transparently playing to my town meta.

[Almost50]

how about we wagon theworst too

[Almost50]

IV is town and that wagon is rubbish.

If I was voting IV this wouldn't really change my mind. Any reasoning for the TR?

[Almost50]

A wagon on a slot like A50 is excellent

Good reasoning. Good reasoning indeed!

Now, if you would be so kind as to explain WHERE this "excellency" of a wagon on me stems from I'm sure many would be obliged, myself included.

[Almost50]

That is not an explanation.

Neither was you 532. Pot something kettle something?

[Almost50]

Infinity agrees that AGar is townposting and likes the OMGUS vote on ceph

UNVOTE: AGar
VOTE: A50

Does he also agree to your vote on me? Also -to save some time- how says Ydrasse about it too?

[Almost50]

I think JV is scum!

@A50

Why would you care if I like it? Give the reasoning. You saying that just makes it look like you're worried about how you're being perceived.

You first.

[Almost50]

Ydrasse hasn't said anything about this game yet.

Infinity liked my vote on you when I first did it. He hasn't said anything since saying he liked AGar and that he didn't like Ceph.

Well, please ask him to take a look and return a verdict now (after this little dialogue)

As for why I said there was 1 scum in them 3; it was a half-arsed attempt to stir the pot and get the discussion going. There's also another reason that I'd rather not state, or at least don't wish to bring up at this time

[Almost50]

Your reads were entirely surface level.

Don't use Boon terminology unless you're as good.

[Almost50]

? why not

Because I like your company, dude. And besides; you're not evil enough

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

JV is legitimately scum. Has zero reason to be SRing me here whatsoever.

If I take this statement at face value and assume it's true; this is exactly how I feel about your SR on me

I don't want to make the game about me; but I would recommend that every player who thinks they know me well enough to state their read on me explicitly so far. Hell; I would even request everyone to consult their team and provide the reads on my slot from each member separately. Granted some players are new to me *(and I to them) and some have a history of not being accurate with reading me, but that should also help.

So,

everybody please ask your team members to provide a read on me individually

. I will not make much noise after this point (once that request had been acknowledged)

[Almost50]

I can't force myself to give a fuck about this pointless back and forth you're so invested in sorry. There's nothing of any value in it for me.

[Almost50]

@a50 - did you have an alt called jarjar (something?)

Nope. My alts are listed in my sig

[Almost50]

@Oka: Are you going to play MAFIA or are you going to criticize ppl's moves and antagonize them? I'd rather you just simply ask your team for individual reads on me and be done with it. I have my own reasons to ask everyone to channel their individual team members reads on me at this point. Thank you

[Almost50]

OK, let me be more explicit:

@Titus: Yours & chenn's reads on me have more weight that MC's. Mystis I don't even know bit it's always nice to learn how I'm being perceived by a total stranger

@IV: The one who claims to know how to read me would be Iconeum, wouldn't it? I am also interested in Gypys' & Sirius' reads (Sirius had more experience with me as a mod I think)

@JV: Yours > TGP > Noraa > Johnny

@Hopkirk: only Hectic knows me from your team

@Xtoxm: Your whole team knows me well, but I'd say FL should already know the colour of my socks if he ISO'd me by now.

@Dann: Jingle knows me better, but Aris & Pone do too. I am wary of a certain something about you if you happened to roll scum here.

@tw: you >> S_S > Datisi > Lillith

@Uncrowned: Ydrasse & Infinity aren't too far ahead of you in terms of knowing me. Kanna I do not recognize

@unwnd: Maria >>> beeboy (or I can just assume she SRs me and move on)

@Hercule: Patapan is the only member of your team who has remotely any experience with me, but THANK YOU for the input

@Oka: I need to know the reads of your team members. ALL of them. (Do I need to explicitly say

including

Nancy?)

@DGB: SC had the most recent experience with me (both as mod and player). Ramcius & Creature "used to" know me well, but it has been some time since I last played either of them

@ABR: I have a feeling you couldn't care less about this , but it would have been improper for me to skip your name. Norwee slightly above you & FB. Tweet talks too much.

@Ceph: I'd say you're the one most familiar with me by a mile, so I guess you can ignore this id so you desire

@Ythan: You are the only one who had NOT played with me before. BBMolla has an advantage over DeasVail/Jake, but not by much

@Dunn: You are also the one most familiar with me in your team, but it won't hurt to know what the others think too

How was that for a filler post??

[Almost50]

am i antagonizing you a50? if so im sorry

When you say it's strange of me to ask for teammates reads on me in TEAM MAFIA then I guess the answer is yes, it's frustrating. The whole tournament is based on a team to be playing the games the members are involved in. It's the only event where you can actually talk about an ongoing game to someone who is not playing in it (in your team PT/discord). How can you even tell if <insert name> is posting their own thoughts and not channeling their teammate's thoughts?

My request is simple: My ISO isn't even that big -at least not yet- so ask Pooky, Nancy & DkK to take a look at it and give you a preliminary read to convey to me and that would be it. Thank you

[Almost50]

Hey so why'd you leave me off that list? You @'d every other player in the game for reads from their teammates and gave some specific delineations. Wanna expand on the omission?

Honest mistake!

I thought I went through everyone

In your team I'd say tsq is the one

least

familuar with me. Both xRECK & Cheetory "claim" to have a way to read me. Entertain me if you will

[Almost50]

@ABR: Thank you

FWIW, my reads are volatile and keep changing rapidly, so I will provide a preliminary read list (or something that resembles one) once I've decided on a number of slots So far I only have 2 solid TRs

@Oka: I said there was a

reason

for me to ask. And yes, I feel that I gave been very transparently town indeed, but only those who know me well enough will be able to realize it. There is also a reason why I am playing like this, but that's another story.

[Almost50]

thoughts on Titus, Ythan, Cephrir and the worst?

None of them is in my 2 confident TRs if that's what you're asking. In fact, all are in the "unresolved" spots. Only Ythan has even tried to tackle me, and he's the one who does NOT know me of the 4, so that's a bit worrying. Also tw stating he has a "dead null" read on me is doubly worrying, but there are 3 possible reasons I can think of for that: A) He forgot how to read me early on, B) He's trying to keep me alive longer, C) He's outright scum and wants to keep his options wide open.

Obviously A is NAI, B is a town motive, and C is.. well SCUM motivated. I say this regarding tw in particular because as far as I remember he used to be super interested in sorting my alignment early on. This "later into the game" bit is new to me (from tw) but he "could" have finally digested the idea of leaving me alone on D1 and trying to sort me on D2 onwards (which is something I always preach to people who play with me regularly and many have come to accept it as a rule of the thumb).

[Almost50]

A) He forgot how to read me early on, B) He's trying to keep me alive longer, C) He's outright scum and wants to keep his options wide open.

did you read my assessment of my ability to read you?

Sh-sh-sh-sh. We shouldn't be interacting much in the main thread. Less associatives that way.

[Almost50]

@O50
my own read on you is solid town, mainly for 737 and 859

FABULOUS. I say that about

the reasoning

(because -frankly- you were one of the slots I wouldn't be happy if they TR'd me off the gate, for fear of "pocketing").

I now have 4 solid TRs, 2 Town leans and one null-town

[Almost50]

@ABR: Thank you

FWIW, my reads are volatile and keep changing rapidly, so I will provide a preliminary read list (or something that resembles one) once I've decided on a number of slots So far I only have 2 solid TRs

@Oka: I said there was a

reason

for me to ask. And yes, I feel that I gave been very transparently town indeed, but only those who know me well enough will be able to realize it. There is also a reason why I am playing like this, but that's another story.

Whew boy this post

stinks

.

My bad. I stuffed into the washing machine and forgot to add the detergent.

[Almost50]

congrats A50 gypyx thinks you’re town

Nice. Keep them TRs coming.

@AGar: How's THAT for a "stinking" post/response?

[Almost50]

@Dunn: You are also the one most familiar with me in your team, but it won't hurt to know what the others think too

I don't really have a read on you though. I feel that asking my team what they think of you is a waste of team-resources; especially since this is pretty out of the blue. I'm unlikely to vote for you on day 1.

A bit disappointing, but I like the honest/sincere tone.

[Almost50]

Ythan
Almost50
Cephrir
innocentvillager
Hopkirk
Dannflor
hercule
OkaPoka
Dunnstral

townreads in no specific order. i'll sort through all the isos on saturday

Why Ceph & Ythan? (Sell me these and I may have a solve)

[Almost50]

hello a50 can we take a peak at what you have so far

In my next post

[Almost50]

I know most of you are waiting on needles for my wise views with extraordinary accuracy.

Here's where I'm at:

Titus / iv / AGar / Hopkirk / Xtoxm / hercule / Oka / ABR / Dunn

JacksonVirgo / Dannflor

Winter Flakes ← Null

Ythan

unwnd / Cephrir

the worst
DrippingGoofball

I will vote any of those under the null line, but would rather one if the bottom 2

Also, don't ask me for cases. I am not going to so the extra work looking back for specifics

VOTE: DGB

[Almost50]

also winterflakes seems to have an ABR townread

I do too

[Almost50]

You have 9 people as strong townreads and it feels fake

I've been town hunting mostly. And besides these are not "strong" TRs. Just TRs.

Town reads

Town leans

Null

Confused (either scum or I dislike the playstyle.. not sure)

Scum leans

Scum reads (Yes, I SR DGB a bit more than tw)

[Almost50]

also winterflakes seems to have an ABR townread

I do too

Why?

don't ask me for cases. I am not going to so the extra work looking back for specifics

Let's just say <reasons>

[Almost50]

@a50 I think you know me well enough to hate cases, just let me inside your head. Wtf are you seeing with ABR? & Same for DGB I guess but I'm a bit less interested

Feelings, nothing more than feelings

But seriously, you're asking about my TR on ABR and my SR on DGB and you're not concerned I'm SRing YOU??

[Almost50]

why are you town on xtoxm? at least why is he so hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh

Top line is.. people I won't consider voting in the foreseen future. That's all.

[Almost50]

can u give general categories / criterion

I did (unless you're not talking to me)

[Almost50]

A50 pls don't ignore me. I see you ignoring me monkey pal. you're my fav distant species relative.

I'm ignoring you? I thought you were ignoring me.. until now.

[Almost50]

I think dgb is dripping town, I'm kind of cruising

When was your last game with DGB? Cuz I think I played with her thrice in the past few months

[Almost50]

can u give general categories / criterion

I did (unless you're not talking to me)

i mean like:

i townread okapoka because he is cute, charming, and handsome

i scumread the_worst because he is a duck that goes quack quack

but more serious than that

No can do. Some of my TRs are based on crumbs. I can't explain the read without outing the crumb, and I don't want to open the door for that line of "PR hunting" (Why do you think I have NINE reads at the top line?) *Sigh*

[Almost50]

@Oka: I can try to explain tw just for you. Look at whom he's been voting of late. Titus and Xtoxm?? And he TRs DGB??? And has been avoiding me and yet says

I

was avoiding him, when I literally included him in my very first post??

Before that he was voting JV, but is now objecting a FoS on JV. If he knew JV was busy IRL why did he vote him earlier??

Well, that's the most you're gonna get from me, and it had been done as a favour to you.

[Almost50]

You have 9 people as strong townreads and it feels fake

i also can't fathom how anyone could get to a townread on several of them

I'm a GENIUS. Did you forget??

[Almost50]

Ignore my TRs. Do you agree DGB this isn't Town!DGB who played in the most recent Baker's game or not?

[Almost50]

first game ever, what extra knowledge does your meta wisdom impart?

Exhibit 1 (Large Theme) [Started mid September 2020)

Exhibit 2 (Mini Normal) [Started late October 2020]

Exhibit 3 (Large Theme) [Started late June 2020)

Have a good read

[Almost50]

I am town

Oh, I believe you. Because you wouldn't lie to me. Right? And certainly not in a MAFIA GAME.

[Almost50]

@A50, I feel that I can check things out for your reads with time or maybe I will just go bananas. I partially think that you might be detecting things that don't exist but then I go to the bakery and change my mind.

If I'm detecting things that don't exist it will become apparent overnight.

[Almost50]

Firebringer thinks Dan and Ythan are scum.

Why Dann, if I may ask?

[Almost50]

My main scumhunting comes from looking at how players react to pressure and after AGar I feel like scum have been controlling the game state and keeping us from consolidating. My POE is large. Who wants my vote?

Someone asked why I TR ABR. Here's an example. ABR is not a passive player as either alignment. Once he knows (or thinks he knows) what he wants he's a shark. Does anybody thing Scum!ABR doesn't yet know where he wants to attack? I personally don't think so, so this is Town!ABR

[Almost50]

If people were wondering why I was townreading ABR it is the post above as I am completely in agreement lol

Hmmm... can you tell me why I'm not confident about you though? Why are you still in my PoE? (Strange question, I know.. but it's the MONKEY you're dealing with)

[Almost50]

I think Hopkirk is really scum and the more people keep calling him town the more it brings me to action

Why don't you try harder to make us all see the light?

[Almost50]

Xtoxm (8): OkaPoka, hercule,

the worst

,

DrippingGoofball

, Dunnstral,

Cephrir

, Albert B. Rampage, Titus

Literally my top 3 SRs are on the wagon. Sorry, but I won't be touching this wagon.

P.S. Xtoxm is indeed LHF as either alignment. He's a low poster. HOWEVER, check his signature. Don't you think there would be at least some resistance to his wagon if he had a team? I don't even see anyone @ L-7 when he is @ L-2 already

[Almost50]

FB gave an explanation for dann and Ythan but I don't understand it very well so I'm sort of ignoring it.

How did he know I was gonna ask before I do it?

[Almost50]

I feel like there's scum in DGB/the worst. Nobody's interested in bandwagonning them.

Check my read list. Also see where my vote is. Thanks

[Almost50]

Vote Count 1.14

Xtoxm

(7): OkaPoka, hercule, the worst, DrippingGoofball, Dunnstral, Cephrir, Titus

AGar

(2): Dannflor, Ythan

Titus

(2): AGar, innocentvillager

DrippingGoofball

(2): Almost50, unwnd

mastina

(1): Winter Flakes

hercule

(1): mastina

unwnd

(1): Hopkirk

the worst

(1): Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting

(1): Xtoxm

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for January 29, 5:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2021-01-29 21:00:00).

mastina replaces JacksonVirgo.

@ABR: You proposed Scum in DGB/tw and didn't state a preference. How come you oprwd ro vote the one of the two that had no votes on them?

Also: Hello, mastina.

[Almost50]

Absolutely don't like DGB or Titus.

I won't hold it against you if you brought DGB to L-7

[Almost50]

Look at this monkey owning the thread and claiming it as his own personal PT.

[Almost50]

How come you oprwd ro vote the one of the two that had no votes on them?

Can you translate this for this old woman?

"how come you opted to vote the worst instead of dgb seeing as the worst had no votes while dgb had two?"

You speak monki (monki is the official language of the Kingdom of Monkeys)

[Almost50]

Btw I believe Almost50 is town

Why? (I rarely ask people to explain their TR on me, but you are the author of the first "How To Read A50" brochure, so I'm interested in how that worked out for you)

[Almost50]

SS is rereading parts of this game rather than sleeping and just remarked like 5 minutes ago about how bad xtoxm's Titus read was

That's part of my argument though. If it's sloppy then it's probably not scum driven. Xtoxm is a

good

scum player in my book.

[Almost50]

I mostly like refuting A50 from time to time because I don't want him to feel too in control

I am rarely ever in control, unless I am a Scum PR. Even as a Town Cop I am used to being ignored and sometimes FoS'd too.

[Almost50]

it's definitely low toxicity which is pretty awesome

I can work on the toxicity levels if you want me to, but I need your assurance I won't get reprimanded (or even banned) for it. Van you pull some strings for me?

[Almost50]

A50 - ???????????????????????

I'm honoured I get a special read that's unlike any other read.

[Almost50]

This is me, pointing out that mastina has read the first 14 pages, then turboskipped to engaging with the current events of the thread starting with page 76, is wholly uninformed on huge chunks of the gamestate, and yet is handing out "locktown-townblock" and "lockscum" reads while continuing to engage in the ongoing discussion in a central way, thereby centering herself in the discussion, generating more conversation and current discussion to get into (which right now is arguing in circles because it's more convenient to deliberately get into a shitspat with Oka) and further delaying her actually going back, continuing to get caught up, and rounding out her reads.

A

fter replacing into a JV slot that disengaged in what was an almost deliberate manner, reread Pages 1-10 like three fucking times and kept giving reads on those on page like fucking

50

, and was generally shifty and dodgy.

WHAT?? Don't tell me you are not familiar with mastina play. If anything this is TOWN!her trying. Scum!her

would

have buried herself in the past and probably never getting to the meantime.

I also appreciate my string presence in your unconsciousness.

[Almost50]

you know what instead of interacting with mastina

raise your hand if you agree with mastina's interpretation of time and events, if you raise your hand I'll interact with you instead

You did me a favour (explaining my gibberish typing to Titus) so I'm going to try and return the favour: mastina is saying what Titus said can be translated into {I am aware if the fact IV voted me, but I have not read the posts between here and where he actually did", which is a valid interpretation if you ask me.

[Almost50]

no matter who the mafia are, A50 is the chaotic evil villain of this game

N-Woo

Saspa

[Almost50]

If you find the interpretation being proffered by mastina valid, why did you not voice this until it was said by mastina?

It is not my job to explain Titus' behaviour/statements. She is well capable of doing that herself.

I only explained what mastina was saying to Oka because he asked for help.

[Almost50]

Meta is trash. Stop giving scum an excuse.

Btw, I strongly disagree with this. I do not necessarily use meta as my

primary

scum hunting tool (THAT I agree is a bad practice), but meta is as good a tool as tone and gut reads are.

[Almost50]

@ABR what's your take on mastina or Ythan? I would vote either. I've made that clear as well. I'm not even sure who you are classifying as "running the show"

Mastin town Ythan dont know

ok well if you want to vote outside of Xtoxm, you can have my vote on Ythan. Other than that I'm not really sure what you are expecting as far as having people push outside, that's kind of a nebulous request. You're not relegated to the sidelines, you're just suggesting to make better bandwagons without giving any targets or reasons

Why Ythan over any of DGB, rw or Cephrir. In other words: What town points do you have for any of them 3?

[Almost50]

I had a quick look at the major wagons at or around their peak. Jere are some interesting thoughts:

Oka Poka was on each and every single one of them. He voted IV, AGar, Titus, Xtoxm, ABR, back to Xtoxm (Xtoxm had dissipated in favour of ABR and them got rebuilt) and then he hopped on Winter Flakes.

I'm having difficulty seeing Oka SRing all top wagons at the time of then being the hot topic, so I am relegating Oka down to just below null

Also Cephrir has been on all but Titus' wagon, but he also joined Winter Flakes; wagon upon the rebuilding of Xtoxm's. I honestly dunno what to make of that but I already have Cephrir below my null line anyway

tw, Dann & Titus appear on 3 of the 6 wagons, and -again- I am not jumping to conclusions there yet.

So, the main issue is Oka Poka being on 6 different people at the time of their relative wagons being at their peak. Is Oka just scum or does he believe ANY random elimination on D1 is a good elimination?

@Oka: can you address this issue, please?

[Almost50]

This game is like a pack of hyenas trying to jam a lynch through without critical thinking and we are lucky we haven't mislynched.

+1

[Almost50]

VOTE: xtoxm

feel like this is distracting im going sit here a while

VOTE: xtoxm

feel like this is distracting im going sit here a while

you sure i can't interest you in a quick Winter Flakes pivot?

VOTE: winter flakes

I'll let things happen for a day i guess and jump around, but i also feel like if xtoxm/abr holds scum we are playing right into their hands with this ensuing chaos and confusion that is happening. most people are not going to want to read these pages and fall behind.

3 min 49 sec is the definition of "a while" in chicken wolrd?

[Almost50]

Xtoxm, ABR, Winter Flakes are my top three scumreads as it stands.

Let's say that's true. Why vote WF over Xtoxm? And more precisely, why hop off the larger wagon and join the smaller one if you SR them both?

[Almost50]

VOTE: ythan

ill indulge abr for a bit

going to peace out from the thread for a bit so i wont be here to unvote if this wagon does form up

Geez, man! This one does not appear in the mod's ISO either. Who the fuck are you NOT willing to vote today?

[Almost50]

why is the worst being randomly thrown into people's scum lists

He's not even reading the game, dude.

[Almost50]

I really really REALLY need someone to town!case Cephrir for me. Help me see the light.

[Almost50]

Do you have a problem with me moving my votes around?

Yes. It feels inauthentic, and gives me the creeps

[Almost50]

I get your point, but this site needs more Camn and FATE levels of bloodlust.

Maybe in general, but not in Team Mafia. We need more analytical deduction and less random and/or emotional voting

[Almost50]

Tell me who you want me to vote because I'm resisting voting myself as hard as I can.

Spoiler: ABR be like

[Almost50]

@Dann: I could vote implosion. His posts contain absolutely no analysis and he certainly didn't state a single read on anyone.

[Almost50]

I object to eliminating Xtoxm. I also object to eliminating ABR.

In fact, I still object to eliminating outside of DGB/tw/Cephrir today

[Almost50]

vibe check on implosion?

He's definitely hiding something I tell you. I get the feeling he knows much much more than he's letting show.

[Almost50]

My updated read list:

Hopkirk / ABR ← Off the table for good

Titus / iv / AGar / Xtoxm / hercule / Dunn / mastina ← Off the table for today

Dannflor ← Town Lean for now

Winter Flakes / unwnd ← Null

Ythan / Oka ← Mixed feekings

Cephrir / the worst / DrippingGoofball ← Scummiest 3 slots of the game

[Almost50]

I object to eliminating Xtoxm. I also object to eliminating ABR.

In fact, I still object to eliminating outside of DGB/tw/Cephrir today

this isn't a real thing you're going to get unless you start convincing a lot of people

I don't care much about convincing anyone. My goal is to get a couple of comments post-game that look something like this:

Haha yep.

Turns out A50 is a bit of a twat, but a sharp player. Might read a few of his games.

He makes me pissed the fuck off a good bit but he's a badass scumhunter. Points for that lol

[Almost50]

One question: How the freak are you all counting Titus' activity separately from JV's? Titus replaced JV, so her posts and his should be added together. I mean, if I replaced into a game on D3 I'd have less posts than anyone who got eliminated on D1 still simply because I was not there to begin with.

[Almost50]

we aren't gonna vibe this game are we monkey?

Not until you prove me wrong by being a shining beacon of towniness

[Almost50]

One question: How the freak are you all counting Titus' activity separately from JV's? Titus replaced JV, so her posts and his should be added together. I mean, if I replaced into a game on D3 I'd have less posts than anyone who got eliminated on D1 still simply because I was not there to begin with.

mastina replaced JV.

I replaced Alisae pregame.

My activity level comes from RL and being overgamed. Speaking of which I VLA Saturdays.

I stand corrected.

[Almost50]

current favorite wagon

Xtoxm

My would-wagons today are

Agar Cepheus winter dannflor titus (?)

Wouldn’t oppose but probably wouldn’t join are

Ythan DGB dunnstral mastina

Would oppose

A50, the worst, Hopkins, Hercules, okapoka, unwnd, YBR

is very roughly where I’m at

VOTE: Cephrir

ABR is on it. You are OK with it. mastina & Titus has them in their SRs. Even tw had Ceph as a null read. I think this is doable 9and very much acceptable by me)

[Almost50]

So my thing is that the entire xtoxm wagon sprung up based on the interpretation that Oka had that mastina was arguing against. So you just decided to keep your mouth shut about it? Or did you not read it that way?

?? I'm in a bit of a loss. What does Xtoxm has to do with an argument about Titus between Oka and mastina?????

[Almost50]

nodody wants to interact when i'm drunk beyond the point i can lie? woahhhh

Well, I don't know if you're still around, but I currently have you as my top TR anyway, so..

[Almost50]

Hot take DGB might be scum.

I've been saying this for the whole day now

[Almost50]

You're joking, right? The core of the wagon growing on Xtoxm centers around an interpretation of Titus's post supposedly made by Xtoxm being defended by mastina, very much opposite of how Oka (and others) interpreted that post, to the point of most suspecting Xtoxm making up a TR of Titus.

Oh boy! *Sigh*

We are talking about 2 different issues here:

1- Oka not understanding what mastina was saying

2- The alignment of Xtoxm (or rather how >I< perceive Xtoxm's play)

Response to (1): I was explaining.. to Oka.. what mastina was saying. Period. It does not mean I agree (nor does it mean I disagree) with mastina. I just stated that it was a "valid" interpretation, but I didn't say it's the "only" one.

Response to (2): I independently TR Xtoxm regardless and have never voted him, FoS'd him or hinted otherwise. I had him in my TRs since the first complete read list I posted. I didn't need (or care about) reasons others were providing to SR/TR him because I di have my own solid opinion about a player I claim to know well enough, and have seen his Town play AND his Scum play numerous times (I was even Scum with him once or twice).

Now a THIRD issue that you may (or may not) be hinting is: Why am I not defending Xtoxm hard enough, and my explanation is simple. I am not a Town leader and people do not tend to listen to me that often, so it'd be a waste of time and breath. ALSO I have clearly stated who I was to eliminate today, and people were still pushing my TRs instead (Xtoxm, ABR, you, and -to a lesser extent- Titus). Inly lately do some people realize Cephrir and DGB are scum. And even those who do (mastina) have hercule (another one of my TRs) as her top SR.

So, basically I would have been redirecting the wagon off a TR and unto another TR, which is not ideal from my PoV. I don't want Xtoxm gone, and I don't want ABR gone either. I don't want you eliminated and I don't want Titus/hercule eliminated just the same. Now if a wagon build up on any of you I won't be threatening to invade Granada over it, but I won't be touching that wagon with a barge pole.

Do you still have an issue with me? Do you still find it difficult to see things my way? Uf you do, feel free to ask again. I have nothing better to do (except restating Ceph & DGB are SRs to me. I also SR tw stil, but that's not happening today and many of you seem quite confident he is town, so let's get one of Ceph/DGB today as we can only eliminate one at a time anyway)

[Almost50]

I agree with AGar. If we're not going to vote scum today, then we'll get rid of dead weight today and resume this tomorrow.

VOTE: xtoxm

Please get back on Ceph. The wagon is building up slowly, but we're getting there. It's not like we have less than 24 hrs and need to consolidate to achieve an elim yet.

[Almost50]

ythan - he had one post that pinged me 728

Btw, about this: Which of you has 700 posts in their team PT? In fact, which of you is even using the PT over discord???

The guys is saying post 728 by

ythan

pinged him, and seeing as post 728 is indeed by Ythan I believe it was either a typo Xtoxm made or a glitch in the ssytem.

Want more proof? Check this out:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12395493 < This is where Xtoxm link is
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12510537 < This is the thread's opening post (post 0)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12501542 < You know what that is? That's the opening post of the

Team Mafia 2021 Information

thread

So I traced some games and found these two adjacent posts:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12395485
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12395498

Both were made on Dec 6, and that's the date of the post Xtoxm's link redirects tom as the number clearly shows (12395498 > 12395493 > 12395485)

Now here's a question for you all: Did I really have to do all the work to show this post is not from Xtoxm's team PT, nor is it from the Scum PT?? Couldn't ANY of you have checked for themselves???

Now, in light if this I want you to reevaluate the slots using THIS to vote Xtoxm. THANK YOU

[Almost50]

nah i don't believe xtoxm asked team to proofread reads in the team PT when they supposedly don't care about this game

Doesn't need to be asking team to proofread.

You can make drafts for posts in a PT with no need for the team to preview;
You can craft a post using a PT without posting it in the PT and after crafting it in the PT post it to the game thread.

The PT slip is grasping at straws.

Using my own skewed logic THIS is proof mastina is TOWN. Period.

[Almost50]

ythan lets play a game

why is xtoxm town

I want to play too.

Because SCUM are abgle0shooting in a bid to lim him today. Xtoxm is easy to push early game and his reaction is almost always like this, so this is an easy mis-lim that won't probably have any negative side effects on them.

Now let me ask you what you think is SCUMMY from him. I do get that he's lurking and you don't like that. Fine. But what feels like him pushing any kind of

scum agenda

? Because I do assure you, Scum!Xtoxm will certainly have one.

[Almost50]

I feel like bumping up Ythan a notch up for his defence of tom

[Almost50]

fine ill drop the PT thing

Whether it came from Team PT or Scum PT doesn't matter. It's still copy that he tried to pass as his own.

And now, another player is writing AtE for him. Not scum hunting, because that's effort and can be challenged by OkaPoka J Chicken, Esq. Just AtE.

And this is why DGB is overly scummy. I don't believe for ONE BLOODY SECOND that she doesn't check the url herself to verify WHEN the post linked was made.

[Almost50]

And I fucking do realize my argument (about DGB) is falling on deaf ears, so I'm just making it for MY OWN SAKE (post-game I get to brag about it)

[Almost50]

he's also telling me to claim; we are a tracker.

Damned if I didn't expect you to be a PR by play. (No, I'm not bragging and I wasn't even confident as I noticed no crumbs from X. It's just me be familiar of the way he plays overall, I had him down as 60-70% a TPR, and I sure as he; couldn't have used "I think he's a TPR" to explain the TR).

[Almost50]

I don't believe for ONE BLOODY SECOND that she doesn't check the url herself to verify WHEN the post linked was made.

Teach me, gov. Where's the date.

Code: Select all

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12395493#p12395493

Going out of my way to respond to this: reread my post where I gave evidence of the proximity of timeline the linked post was made in.

[Almost50]

specifically because scum will almost always claim a PR at this point imo, that plus Xtoxm’s indifference to getting wagoned up and fakegammered made me feel like they were more likely to be VT or scum

So you think SCUM don't care about being wagoned??

[Almost50]

can you stop calling every second thing i say "weird"? lol

What a weird thing to ask

[Almost50]

the important thing to consider about a tracker claim is the +ev is very very low. on average its not going to be helpful especially in a large.

This is so short-sighted it hurt when I read it. I think you're only talking about "direct guilties", as in "I tracked this person to the dead person". But how about "I'm a VT" -> "No, you're not. I saw you visit this player"? Or "I visited A50 on N1, Oka on N2" -> "That's a lie. I was on you on N2 and you didn't go anywhere"? Trackers are

strong

informative roles. the +ev is never "very very low"

[Almost50]

Let's see if you're good at this.

Do you think I'm a PR by play?

Silly question, really. The short answer is I don't know you as well as I know Tom.

A more "sassy" one would be: If I thought you were a TOWN PR why would I be pushing you?

[Almost50]

specifically because scum will almost always claim a PR at this point imo, that plus Xtoxm’s indifference to getting wagoned up and fakegammered made me feel like they were more likely to be VT or scum

So you think SCUM don't care about being wagoned??

they do but imo it's different

as a TPR or scum you really don't want to die (more than VT), but:

as scum there are a variety of responses you can use to wifom out of it, one of which could be intentionally ignoring the thread/not caring

as a TPR, i wouldn't expect TPR to ever try and wifom out of the elim by like intentionally not posting and pretending to not care.

so my explanation here for tpr!xtoxm is that he genuinely just didn't care, which is plausible ig?

Sorry to report that Xtoxm goes more quiet when he does roll a PR than when he does a VT. I guess he doesn't much like the burden of responsibility bestowed upon him. In other words, he acts more freely as a VT which makes him look townier than he does as a TPR.

But I get what you're saying as a general observation. Scum AND TPRs have more tendency to fight to survive than your average VT.

[Almost50]

A50, SS wanted me to say that if someone links to a post number which is greater than the number of posts in a thread, the link will revert to the op

Noted. So it still couldn't have been the Scum PT because this game and all it's PTs were not created on Dec 6. It could have been the Team PT as IV noted though (ours was created on Dec 9)