TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[Winter Flakes]

Hi. Uncrowned here.

Ythan is Town.

ABR is probably Town.

Dunnstral is probably Town.

Hopkirk's reasoning on JV's intro is reasonable, but I believe it is NAI for JV given the history between them, myself and The Worst.

I don't think a teammate reading the game is indicative of anything, but I guess I get the sentiment?

I don't think The Worst has been that awkward, I think that's just how he be sometimes.

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Let's get it poppin.

VOTE: Almost50

Mega empty posting vibes here. The couple of things that are game related are either questions that feel like they won’t go anywhere, or arbitrary “there is scum and town here” posts without any backing.

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can you expand on what you mean about the opening? my issue shouldn't be history dependent unless you have an in joke you're talking about

I rolled scum in JV and I's first game on site. The Worst replaced in and it came down to us three in ELo and I won. Since then they've had like a revenge thing where they want to roll scum together in a game against me. Good times.

As for why I townlean ABR at the moment: He voted Dannflor immediately after Dann voted Ythan, which is exactly what I would have done had I been active at that point in the game. That was my initial reaction.

The flaw with this is that ABR may not have been voting Dann for that exact reason, but I'm happy to assume it unless he says otherwise.

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It strikes me a bit odd that you ask about those two things but not the one where I'm practically hard accusing someone of having a scummy opening to the game?

+Partner Equity for Hopkirk and Almost50, everyone.

Not that I particularly think Hop is being scummy at the moment, but ye.

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I feel like you'd be inclined to take a stance on that or at least ask for examples or something.

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Dunnstral mega town off of this interaction.

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it feels off since we just finished a game where you didn't TR ABR (definitely not early?) that you have a hard(?) read early.

Not hard.

And that's implying that I'm approaching this game the same way I did that game and implying that ABR did the exact same thing that game, which he didn't.

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My only hard TRs as of right now are Ythan and Dunn.

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It's not about whether or not you got vibes off him?

It feels like you'd rather just not engage with me on the topic of him possibly being scum?

Given the style you showed last game and how you started this game, I expected at least some interaction there, or some questioning along the lines of "elaborate on this" but instead you throw a softball about ABR that doesn't make a lot of sense in the first place?

Weird.

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Because you've commented on a bunch of stuff but when something actually spicy came up, you decided to ignore it entirely. I don't know you well but that doesn't seem your style from the impression I've gotten.

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The chances you just didn't find it worth talking about are decent, so I'm not opposed to just dropping it as a talking point for now.

If he flips red though you are getting tunneled.

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How so?

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He dropped a vote that I 100% would have made had I been online when Dannflor made that post voting Ythan.

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1: It's a vanity.

2: I haven't commented on any of the others slots that have really been under pressure this game yet (Hercule, Innocent)

3: No-one else has called much attention to the slot yet.

I think with these facts alone, it's at least a reasonable assumption to think you'd take SOME interest in it, is it not?

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On ABR? I think I was town on him for most of the game until the end kinda.

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228 is about A50 by the way, not ABR.

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I'm sensing that there's a disconnect between us that might be boiled down to more of a miscommunication than anything.

Do you have any thoughts on A50 as of right now, or no?

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I don't think I was? I'd have to look back. I vividly remember making a post in the neighborhood about ABR being "town af" so that might be clouding the rest of what happened that game. I wasn't very engaged in it unless I was being directly pushed.

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A vanity is when one person is voting away from the current main wagons.

It's a bit of a stretch for me to call it a "vanity" but given where most of the attention is being centered in the game at the moment prior to our interaction, I don't think it's the worst description.

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FWIW I think it's worth mentioning that that game isn't a great representation of my town-game, at least in my opinion.

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So just looking back through my ISO of that game, I was actually hard TRing ABR for most of it.

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In fact, I was TRing him so hard that he thought I was attempting to buddy him, and thus he put a SR on me for it.

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Towards the end of the game my opinion was definitely swaying on him though, which is more representative of that tossing and turning mentality you were talking about.

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Is your JV thing based purely off the intro?

What are your thoughts on TW? Or are they all in your ISO?

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...SPEEDRUN?

Can we do this on A50 instead?

Welp, until you all see the light...

VOTE: AGar

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JV you SLing me here is a very bad look. Want to explain that?

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1: A wagon on a slot like A50 is excellent. AGar isn't a bad option either though.

2: A50 has had the scummiest opening portion of posts in comparison to the rest of this plist in my opinion.

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That is not an explanation.

Page 1-10 also includes Me/Hopkirk interaction, does it not? Why no mention of anything there?

I'm not accepting that as a good explanation for a weak SL on me.

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Forcing a read off an intro post when I later go on to explain most of this stuff makes it look like you're just tossing a read on me because you feel like you have to given our history.

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So did you read Hopkirk and I and just think nothing of it, or did your read end at the start of P10?

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Ayyy the first instance of us three back to back posting just happened.

What a momentous occasion. I am honoured to be playing with you both.

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Did you read my original vote on A50?

And I think you're missing the point. I'm not taking issue with the fact they're not talking about something I did, it's the fact that they're cherrypicking things that make no sense if you just read a few posts forward. There's a difference.

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If you made a post detailing your reads or you had an interaction that you feel was more alignment telling for you and another slot, but then I ignored all that and went "Hey here's some random post that is meh and doesn't really tell you anything about anyones alignment" I'd bet you'd feel or at least think in a similar way to how I am now

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Like JV probably knows I'm easier to read off of interactions as well so that's why it weirds me out that they'd pick *that* post to talk about of all things.

PEdit: I have not played with A50 before, I believe.

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Do you think that's scum indicative for Dann, Duck?

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Infinity agrees that AGar is townposting and likes the OMGUS vote on ceph

UNVOTE: AGar
VOTE: A50

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I think JV is scum!

@A50

Why would you care if I like it? Give the reasoning. You saying that just makes it look like you're worried about how you're being perceived.

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Oh Duck you didn't know it was me? Big sad.

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Also yes I am approaching the game from a Scum!A50 standpoint because that is my view. Why would I approach it otherwise? Seems counter-intuitive to me.

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Ydrasse hasn't said anything about this game yet.

Infinity liked my vote on you when I first did it. He hasn't said anything since saying he liked AGar and that he didn't like Ceph.

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That is not an explanation.

Neither was you 532. Pot something kettle something?

I interacted with the slot.

Your reads were entirely surface level.

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JV is legitimately scum. Has zero reason to be SRing me here whatsoever.

This and A50 guys. Let's get it going.

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This entrance is a bit meh tbh from what I remember from duckys PYP. They're usually the type of player to fully explain everything, at least from memory.

@JV

Because this feels fabricated.

Did you expect me to go full analysis mode and drop paragraphs on people in my first post? The reads I made there ended up getting explained mere posts later that you apparently didn't read? It's like you came in here either

A): Wanting to scum read me.

or

B): With a low-effort mindset and not wanting to attach to much thought to your initial reads.

If it's B then eh not much I can do. It's still slight +scum but I'm not gonna scumbin you for it.

If that was a real read though and you had read all my posting on P10 before making that? Then yeah we got issues.

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What's your thought process on AGar?

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I think DGB has been relatively townie thus far. Could you elaborate on that a bit?

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can you talk more about the discussion you two had? i don't follow how (you scumread AGar)+(Infinity says they TR agar)>this. i want more details on the conversation?

Where did you gather that I SR AGar? Wagon vote?

I like wagons.

@DGB

I SR both A50 and JV. I will vote either one of them. Whichever one is more likely to be elimmed.

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So when me/hectic said we didn't like their opening how come you didn't agree or comment on it when we were doing our 1v1? i think your 1v1 was the one where someone brought up 'hopkirk isn't commenting on my comments on A50' so i don't fully get why you wouldn't have commented on my thoughts on agar when i was saying we were paying attention to them?

Didn't see it.

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so Ydrasse hasn't said anything about me?

Unfortunately not.

As of right now the only thoughts are from Infinity who thinks

-You are engaging me in good faith.
-Dunn is Town.
-He likes my votes on A50.
-He also agrees JV is being weird in regards to their interactions with me.
-Ceph could be scum.

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Infinity elaborated on AGar by saying that while OMGUS isn't a straight up scum or towntell, with the context of AGar going after Ceph when many people were likely to take Ceph's side over his, that it was more likely to come from town and wasn't faked

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So you agree that A50 early posting was bad and that JV is a viable vote but you're SRing me for... reasons?

Like have you explained why you don't like me this game yet? I'm still not really seeing it?

Or are you not SRing me at the moment?

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second too votes i'm less happy with, this one moreso than the other one

This is kind of frustrating.

So you misremembered that I TR ABR very early in our last game together, and tried to shade me with that. You were incorrect.

Now this vote is something I specifically did last game, and you're saying you don't like it.

Obviously it can come from either alignment, but it really feels to me like you're picking and choosing here. Do you see where I'm coming from?

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Like anyone can cherrypick stuff that happened from one game and try to use it to their argument, but if you're going to play it that way then you have to provide reasoning as to why it's giving you bad vibes. How do you think that vote on AGar compares to my one on Infinity last game, if you have the time to look back at that?

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Ydrasse thinks you're town.

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Hey, ABR.

In Guns and Roses V, you and DGB were both happy to sheep each other at various points of D1. You townread DGB that game.

What's different this game? Why is it pinging you as scum this time around?

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Well, that's not true. You were happy to make bold reads on other people that game, including myself.

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Uncrowned!

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Let me put that in my signature.

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i don't really get what you mean/see what you're comparing to last game? can you clarify

I'm referring to when I joined the Infinity wagon that ended up being the elim of D1. I feel there's similarities between that and my vote on AGar.

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do you think this is closer to your usual town style?

Yeah, this is more my style when I'm taking things a bit more seriously, I'd say.

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What makes you think I put any effort in being consistent from post to post, let alone between games? If you knew exactly how I played and what I suspected, couldn't you simply counterplay me easily based on meta?

I feel like that's not really what I'm asking about though?

It's not about putting in effort to be consistent, it's that you're outright calling the same thing town in one game, and scum in the other, with no context put into it? You were town last game when you called it town, and now I don't know you're alignment and you're calling it scummy. I just want to understand the thought process behind it, or if it's different in some way I'm not understanding.

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Hectic played Trust Fall and Assassin's In The Palace with me but they were very casual games.

I can't remember if he's played or co-modded other games I've been in outside of the last one you and I played, but it's possible he's seen me around.

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I'm confused as to why Peta is scumreading me @Hercule

Duck, read my ISO real quick. You'll figure out within maybe half of it that it's entirely nuts that JV is tossing this zero effort SR on me. The plus is you'll also figure out I'm town so, ye.

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VOTE: JV

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Hey Unwnd, what is your read on me and why?

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Individual.

My team have some reads on you which I'll give after you answer.

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The biggest attribution of your play right now to me outside of specific instances is that your posts are very attentive. You say things like, for example 'you'll figure out I'm town anyways' which just feel an accessory to what should come naturally to you.

I just have a big ego depending on my mood.

Plus Duck is pretty well-versed in my towngame so I'm kind of banking on him talking some sense into some people.

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Oh, right. Reads.

Infinity and Kanna both TR you.

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Although Duck I lowkey get the feeling you aren't really scumhunting at the moment. What gives?

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Oh, right. Reads.

Infinity and Kanna both TR you.

This was for Unwnd.

Also sidenote: Someone mistaking Unwnd for me as Uncrowned with some letters missing is absolutely GOATed.

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@A50

Infinity said that you bringing attention to yourself feels town

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I kinda figured you were gonna mindset dump more than you actually did

Are you restraining yourself?

Uhm... no?

Infinity gave me a read list with you near the top of it.

Kanna pretty much just popped it and said you're town to her.

They didn't give me anything else?

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Odd question considering I've given lots of my and my teams reads in detail? Why would you think I'm hiding something from you in particular?

That feels more "showy" than anything I've done lmao

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where do you draw the distinction between "not present" and "not scumhunting", my dear hatless friend?

Because you've been relatively active? I definitely wouldn't say you haven't been present.

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I singled you out because you said I'd be a good secondary wagon but you had given no trajectory on me prior to that very moment. Read as very fake to me and just a by-product of the current gamestate.

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That's not true at all.

If I had said nothing about you all game and then said "Unwnd would be a good wagon!" it wouldn't matter at all about whether you were in danger or not. You'd be confused as to why this slot with zero trajectory on you is all of a sudden saying you'd be a good wagon and question it.

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@TW

I want to figure out if you're just not high effort right now or if there's more to it. Feels like you're going through the motions atm.

@Unwnd

I don't really TR you given what I said about you being happy with a wagon on me having no prior backing and again, just feeling like a product of how the game is going at the moment. If you're scum it's a very low effort setup to position yourself on a future wagon.

My team does TR relatively hard though which I will take into consideration.

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JV is a bigger SR at the moment given Infinity is kind of liking A50 right now and the general view seems to be that I just don't know how they play.

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Also I should probably elaborate that a big part of my generating of reads is how people approach me. I know my alignment. I gather the most off of how people interact with me.

For instance: Hopkirk actually looked like he wanted to work out my alignment.

You? I'm not so sure about right now.

This is @Unwnd

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A50 hasn't ignored me? I don't think?

Oh was that for JV lol

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Careful with you?

How so?

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If anything I think it's the other way round. You said you'd like a wagon on me as a secondary option and I've called you out on that seeming shifty and you're trying to turn it back on me? I don't get it?

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Well if anything that's +town for A50 lol

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I typically don't care if I upset people I can be pretty aggressive but I try to do it within reason

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Hint: You are wrong.

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And I didn't ask about your AGar vote. Don't care for it.

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Hint: You are wrong.

am I? I felt like that was quite a good assessment.

That was toward Unwnd.

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@JV

I think you're ignoring the fact that I'm not the type of player who delves into deep reasoning for all my reads. You acting like this is a qualifier for me being town is just plain wrong. Towncrowned can 100% be blunt like that and I've done that multiple times since coming back from my hiatus.Yhe reasoning behind this SR is still bad.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say I feel more of a need to justify my reads and go in depth as scum than I would as town, but sure. Apparently I'm a mega analytical player in every game which multiple people in this plist and on other teams should be able to vouch that I most definitely am not anyone who played in Guns and Roses V & in One Night Stand should at least be somewhat aware of this.

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And even if you're basing this entirely off PYP I don't think my play this game has been *that* far off how I played there. Sure, in that game I was a bit more analytical but that's also a given as I hadn't played Mafia for almost a year. As I'm quite a few games in now since coming back, the style is bound to change and I have been experimenting with being more aggressive/blunt.

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It is super weird being referred to as Flake lmao I was not prepared for this

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TW what's the rundown on Titus

also Ythan was v town to me early but I completely forgot about them since like page 8 which is probably a bad thing? Idk.

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gonna be level with you i don't think scum look scummy this game.

infinity has said much the same

my team is very confused by this game i think

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Trying to keep up. Been caught up in a lot of shit the last couple days.

Only updates thus far is Infinity really likes Unwnd whereas I'm not that sure

the worst is interesting i think he's been less townie than usual but i also wouldn't say he's been particularly scummy and i'm intrigued by what reasons people may have

idk if JV has been active since I lowkey disappeared but it's another case where my team likes them but i don't really. do agree that activity isn't really a tell for them i don't think though?

gonna try catch up now

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also winterflakes seems to have an ABR townread

this is true

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Winter Flakes: What do they mean by 1242? I don't think this game is that confusing.

confusing in the sense that we're struggling to come up with SRs that aren't overturned shortly after some interactions (this has happened for my team with JV, A50, Ceph, Hop) and so we're kinda in a weird spot atm

i do still have some slots i don't particularly love but my team disagrees with my reads so i'm a bit lost and my read accuracy my last few games has been kinda ass so i'm inclined to put faith in them

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so is it likely that AGar is town based on wagon movement? has that been discussed yet?

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i think hopkirk/dgb/dunn are all strongly town this game

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Yeah, Hopkirk is scum a fair while before unwnd.

big disagree

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IV also mega town but through my skims i think that's a shared perspective

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anyone saying unwnd/hopkirk has unwnd coming out as more townie after that interaction is nuts

Hopkirk ++town for that

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that screams of frustrated townie who is like "wtf is this terrible push plz eat deez nuts"

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if it's scum it's probably the deepwolf (or maybe like, hercule in a bad scenario, or

uncrowned in the worst case scenario

)

you have me intrigued bc i am not a super hard elim right now i don't think

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AGar, talk to me in real time. I'm not as disagreeable as you perceive and I don't want to just condemn your slot if the disconnect is based on misunderstanding

unwnd why did you extend this olive branch to AGar and not to myself or Hop out of interest

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(This post is utterly null to me btw--the reads/reasons all are good/solid imo but the way they are given looks like it very

holy shit someone actually has a good take on this post it's... it's incredible

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(For the record Winter Flakes's tone feels very very fake, very very artificial.

just how i am depending on the mood but i can see that

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so why is the Titus wagon worse than the AGar wagon besides just saying it is?

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can't find the post to quote atm but i found it earlier on my phone and it was hop asking if i'm buddying him

no offense but i don't think you're important enough for me to buddy especially knowing that you've probably got a conf!bias scum lean at a minimum on me but i TR you so i don't really care

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no, please do tell ~~
or is this wiki level VCA?

are you accusing me of being wiki level? because you'd be correct

but nah idk i assumed that the whole rush of votes on AGar and then how they slowed down and it eventually went out with a whimper was probs slightly town indicative? i dont really recall how we went from that to Titus becoming a CW to that but my assumption was people were just targeting the less active presences? i don't recall there being a whole lot of fight against the wagon either but i've been a haze the last few days so i mighta missed it

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not sure why ABR is being wagoned

Infinity and I both think he's pre townie

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UNVOTE: Mastina

idk where to put this atm i need to catch up

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i've been TRing ABR for pretty much the whole game please dont' try that with me

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anyways

Ceph/Dann votes on ABR are bad

i looked at the start of the quick wagon on him and the reasoning makes no sense

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I'm kinda partial to Hopkirk atm (might be conf!bias but i'm just pretty sure he's town here) so his vote, while I don't like it, is something I'm willing to look by

infinity thinks dann is scummy and that vote definitely adds to that for me

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@Mastina

out of interest, how do you propose I try to stop the elim?

Most of the stuff I've said has been ignored anyway outside of The Worst and maybe DGB acknowledging it lmao

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VOTE: Dann

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winter flakes continues to be scum, surprising no one

ok scum

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Empty voting at this point is a big wtf moment, is it not?

I don't see how ABR's comment is actually all that bad? It's just an observation. It feels like a terrible excuse to wagon him, a slot who has been more vulnerable than average in comparison to the rest of the slots in this games. What benefit does scum!ABR get out of making that post? Does it give him any towncred? No. I don't think it does. It doesn't make sense to post. I think it's just a legitimate observation on the situation

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i've been TRing ABR for pretty much the whole game please dont' try that with me

but whyyyyy

he's being SR for reasons that i don't think make that much sense. He's playing similarly to how he did in the last two games I've had with him where he was both town. He was blunt. He wanted wagons on people. He made observations that people didn't necessarily like and didn't care. He made comments that didn't really make sense coming from a scum perspective, like the one on the xtoxm wagon that I just mentioned.

I thought he was scummy too in the first game I played with him and I was wrong. I sincerely think this is just his playstyle

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@Ceph

Dannflor feels passive and fake sorty imo hence my vote

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to expand on ABR and paraphrasing Infinity a bit as well which is a shared viewpoint of ours

I'd say it's relatively common for townies to express doubt on a wagon that is close to elim, especially when it's one that they clearly weren't that invested in/didn't want in favour of other ones, which ABR has done multiple times this game. He's already not a super influential slot in this plist. Him making that comment about seeing wagons like this flip town often is so... inoffensive. It's not gonna save Xtoxm, but it's not gonna make ABR himself look better either. Like wtf is the point of making that post from a scum perspective?

The votes here just don't make sense to me at all

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also all of this "townblocking" or "strong TRs" on D1 of a large where I don't think a huge amount of people have actually obvtowned all that hard and there's more just a bunch of people who are being relatively townie but not out of their scumrange is going to be our downfall and is a massive mistake to make

the PoEs of a lot of people are kinda garbage imo

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sorry if that's hostile but i genuinely think it's a big mistake

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@Ceph

Dannflor feels passive and fake sorty imo hence my vote

iso dann and ctrl+f "spoiler"

you mean the one where he ignores the guy he apparently is fine with killing on wagon who he has displayed no trajectory on the entire game but decides to drop reads on everyone else

yeah i mean it's fine but i don't think it's unfakeable and i'm more interested in why he's down to murk xtoxm when from what i can see in the ISO there's practically no progression on that slot... and in the one post you can argue where you'd expect to see that progression all you get is

"oh yeah they're at the bottom of my read list and i like the wagon"

it's so jarring

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I think we need to nolife at the same time some night because I don't think we're reading the same game

I've probably read it less than you but I really don't see a world where Scum!ABR would care to make that post about Xtoxm, and the fact he's being wagoned for it is both ridiculous and a bad look on everyone who has voted it, imo.

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Like if we're playing that game just wagon me because I'm calling him town when he's the leading wagon. What's the difference, exactly?

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There's at minimum a scum who quick voted him and I'd be willing to bet there is 2.

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aren't "passive" and "fake sorty" kind of opposites? i guess he isn't driving wagons? i thought his reads wall looked like pretty real solving, but i know he is a charming devil

Depends on playstyle, I guess? But I don't think so.

I think you can make passive comments that are mostly neutral and inoffensive to make it look like you're trying to sort, for sure. I don't think they're two exclusive things.

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No I’m not gonna spend my readslist talking about xtoxm because he’s a very boring slot and the reasons to vote him are self evident,

Yes I will spend time talking about every other slot because those are the slots where spending time sorting will actually be productive

Nuh uh. You said something along the lines of "we're killing Xtoxm which I'm happy with"

the fact you don't even put a sentence on the slot other than that when you can drop paragraphs on others just doesn't sit right

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but... the whole point was that he did seem to want it...

...did he?

I recall him wanting Xtoxm gone at one point but I thought he'd switched over to a couple other people? And I thought I read a post where he was actively complaining about putting his vote on Xtoxm and that he didn't want anyone to complain when it flipped town? This is prior to him making the post where he said "I've seen wagons like this flip town" or whatever it was

unless I really have just been reading a different game

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this is an easy thing to check!

yeah i'm just lazy and am unaccustomed to games with this many players so i'm getting lost

in regards to you saying you had said some stuff about xtoxm, i'm not really seeing it other than asking why particular people SR them and other little bits? what were you referring to exactly? i'm not seeing anything about you actually having a reason for SRing them or wanting them gone?

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how has winterflakes managed to not talk xtoxm read still

tbh i haven't paid attention to you, titus, AGar or Xtoxm this game. Ythan also fits here to a lesser degree. Dann did as well prior to just now

it's a me thing i'm just not that great at managing this many people i typically play like micros and shit

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that's also why i'm confused as to why people have so many locktowns or whatever but that may just be them being better at coming up with thoughts they're confident in in a list with this many people

like i probably only have 3 or maybe 4 strong TRs

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agar and xtoxm are like really relevant slots to the game state can you try paying attention to them

I will read ISOs and see if that's helpful

lacking context might hurt but i'll probably be able to figure out what's going on

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how does everyone feel on winter flake btw? i want to kill that slot a lot too

"hey guys i'm not sure how this slot is perceived and i dont wanna push him myself buuuuuut if i can get support and not get solely blamed for when he flips green, i'd really appreciate it."

ok BUDDY

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either full send it on me and get these hands or don't say anything at all

and by hands i mean my fingers rapidly slamming these keys

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Given he's been a literal lurker who was soft defended for no reason for like 80 pages my impression of the wagon is "about fucking time oh my god"

have you played with him before

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how does everyone feel on winter flake btw? i want to kill that slot a lot too

"hey guys i'm not sure how this slot is perceived and i dont wanna push him myself buuuuuut if i can get support and not get solely blamed for when he flips green, i'd really appreciate it."

ok BUDDY

are you scumreading okapoka now too?

the omgus quotient is getting a bit high here my man

nah i don't SR oka tbh i haven't read enough from them to have a legit opinion

this is just how i shade people who won't square up

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either full send it on me and get these hands or don't say anything at all

and by hands i mean my fingers rapidly slamming these keys

anecdotally i think scum do this "do your worst" thing more often than town

i'm pretty sure i was once correctly yeeted for it

funnily enough i don't think i've ever done this as scum but i've done it a couple times as town i *think*

meta is trash though so i'd call it NAI i think its well within both ranges

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self-meta wine is trash i should say

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i was pretty much as quiet on xtoxm as i was on AGar and Titus

what do you think being quiet necessarily means for my alignment depending on the flip

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because you can kinda spin it either way no matter what this flips so i'm not sure what you're getting at

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well then that's just a bad read and i can't do much to help you with that

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...how

He’s literally *the* top poster

just hasn't grabbed my attention

there's a lot of slots like this atm

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if this flips green this is a terrible look for some people on wagon but we'll have to look back to figure out who

same with AGar actually

i don't think it's a coincidence that the least active slots were targeted this game. i'll need to look at their brief ISOs but i think it's weird that people decided to settle on this and seems like a passive play on towns behalf and a great environment for scum to get in on the wagon

the fact i wasn't wagoned hard whne i've apparently been scummy to so many slots just shows you that scum didn't want to target a slot that would actively defend themselves

we getting to the bottom of this D2 squad

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if red then disregard i guess and i'm a trash player but oh well

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no i just looked at post count

the only other thing i think i paid attention to was mastina's defense of them at one point

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i will i'm just trying to interact more real time atm because i can be pretty terrible at keeping my thoughts unjumbled when reading through a bunch of stuff that i've missed lmao

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I wanna be chaotic );

that's good advice oka I will try to do this during the night

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first ever alt slip woo

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A SHOCK I KNOW

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hey hopkirk

remember when you complained post game about how I was close minded or something

yeah. feels like you're doing the same thing here lmao. nice.

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yknow

I actually think I town read Uncrowned now

I mean it's obvious by the way all these slots have tip toed around me for so long. hopkirk himself basically gave it away. all these lowkey fence sitters can't all be town.

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@hopkirk

in future if youre gonna critique someone's play maybe try to work on that problem yourself as well so you don't come off as a hypocrite. just a thought.

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FTR guys I still TR him he's just bad and hasn't realized that he's literally town cased me lmao

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watching the PPV today and got other stuff lined up so my presence is gonna be limited ):

my goal by end of today is to have read up on Titus agar and xtoxm