TM 2021 Large Normal: OEIS Mafia (Part Two Is Out)

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: danfloor

Found scum!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, I should also warn you all that I will try to make a good impression early on then lurk it out to eternity

@Titus, the worst & Dunn: We all know you guys voting me is inevitable, so let's get it over with.

*refuses the power of the inevitable*

*looks at ABR*

*doubles down on that*

Yes, you mention me, what's up? Long time haha...

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're a goof guy

I almost always mistype the 'd' as an 'f' too

[Albert B. Rampage]

How do you vibe with someone's whose only points are that I'm a) nervous (i'm not) and b) lying about being bored?? LMAO like get out of here with that

I've known dgb for twelve years.

I've known her for 14 years, why you gotta write out the number like that to make yourself seem more serious? lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB going super saiyaan

[Albert B. Rampage]

innocentvillager (4): unwnd, Dunnstral, Dannflor, OkaPoka

This is a travesty

[Albert B. Rampage]

innocentvillager (4): unwnd, Dunnstral, Dannflor, OkaPoka

This is a travesty

is the travesty too many on IV or not enough on your scumread (presumably Dann)

and why not weigh in on DGB while you're here, it's pretty fun

Too much

DGB is probably scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: AGar

[Albert B. Rampage]

never thought id die voting side by side with a Titus

[Albert B. Rampage]

The ABR vote and feelers were specifically to maybe hopefully coax something out of ABR considering he's been the quietest person in this thread wrt what is few posts actually say.

I've learned how to play without taking over the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Jackson

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, do you get the feeling scum Agar just wants us to turn on each other?

Yes

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: AGar

VOTE: agar

VOTE: agar

There's almost 100% scum in this three

Why?

Speedwagons are almost never purely Town

Useless thing to say

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: AGar

FOS: Jackson

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: AGar

VOTE: agar

VOTE: agar

There's almost 100% scum in this three

Why?

Speedwagons are almost never purely Town

Useless thing to say

They asked a question and I responded to it as to why. So no it wasn't useless

Scum love threes, I don't know why, it doesn't matter how large the game. The "one scum in these three" lie always rears its ugly head. One of them probably is your scumbuddy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I guess when they group 2 town and 1 scum in their weak POE they subconsciously think it gives them a 66% advantage. The chances of flipping scum is 33% regardless so rationally it changes nothing. Scum just tend to do it. IGMEOY.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xtoxm tell auro to focus on his own game he has no clue what he's talking about

[Albert B. Rampage]

What's your thought process on AGar?

The more he posts the less town he looks.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My top 3 are Jackson AGar and DGB in that order

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB is just copying my reads which is not normal for her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

AGar and IV

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote AGar Hopkirk we'll come around to JV

[Albert B. Rampage]

You play nice when everybody has a gun.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who are you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What makes you think I put any effort in being consistent from post to post, let alone between games? If you knew exactly how I played and what I suspected, couldn't you simply counterplay me easily based on meta?

The only rules I follow are in this article: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Large_Game

I vote for pressure, press for claim, make a decision to end or extend the day, and then identify what strategy makes sense for scum. It's a recipe that works well for me, and is general enough that it can't be counterplayed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The specifics of why I vote don't matter and is chosen from a hat, the important thing is exerting pressure.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The difference between us Uncrowned is that you look for a reason to vote, and I vote, push, hammer, repeat, and then at the end I will put together the evidence to support a theory to solve the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert can you elaborate on your FOS on Agar? Or at a minimum the reasoning behind your desire to pressure them?

pedit: lol what do you mean your vote is chosen from a hat? if you don't reveal any of your thought process how do you expect to be read? do you think it's >50 rand that Agar is scum? what do you make of his reaction if it's solely for pressure?

It's not my responsibility to help you read me. My style is aggressive. Yes I think AGar should be pushed and I will make my decision later. His posts speak for itself, what more can I say about them that you can't think about for yourself?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR I think you're town

You can burn me later, your vote on AGar is pure and Ceph is townie as well

This can be your redemption to what you did to me in Fake Peoples

I took that game to heart and changed my play after. Hopkirk and Uncrowned can attest to me not taking center stage anymore and allowing the game to flow without me picking it apart and prodding at it insistently. We won our last game as town quite nicely.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Link: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=85481

[Albert B. Rampage]

and was it effective?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I wrote the town booklet and you weren't in it

[Albert B. Rampage]

im interested in the worst calling AGar a bad wagon, the others i havent given much thought to yet

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR: I have a feeling you couldn't care less about this , but it would have been improper for me to skip your name. Norwee slightly above you & FB. Tweet talks too much.

Norwee says you're town and I'm content with that.

ABR's later posting has acquitted him well. Mea culpa on that one, didn't like his early game posting (or, more accurately, lack thereof). Apparently this is a true change of heart from how he behaves, so I'm liking the minimalistic engagements we've gotten since I voted.

Fair enough.

VOTE: The worst

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR: Thank you

FWIW, my reads are volatile and keep changing rapidly, so I will provide a preliminary read list (or something that resembles one) once I've decided on a number of slots So far I only have 2 solid TRs

@Oka: I said there was a

reason

for me to ask. And yes, I feel that I gave been very transparently town indeed, but only those who know me well enough will be able to realize it. There is also a reason why I am playing like this, but that's another story.

thoughts on Titus, Ythan, Cephrir and the worst?

[Albert B. Rampage]

its a culture war between boomer and zoomer energies

only one thing unites both cultures and that is cute anime girl

I am on team zoomer energy

[Albert B. Rampage]

thats a lot of work to say you dont have a read on me guys

[Albert B. Rampage]

your posting is pretty uninspiring

I've toned it down to let some sun shine on the youngins

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pre-2010.

Ythan, Xtoxm, DGB, AGar, Cephrir...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Those are the vets... everyone else is a spring chicken

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why don't you put your vote on the worst and we'll get this wagon heated up in time for dinner

[Albert B. Rampage]

Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!

[Albert B. Rampage]

If it quacks like a duck, it's going to taste like a duck.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cephrir if you had my vote who would you want me to place it on

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hopkirk if you had my vote who would you want me to vote

[Albert B. Rampage]

Firebringer thinks Dan and Ythan are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My main scumhunting comes from looking at how players react to pressure and after AGar I feel like scum have been controlling the game state and keeping us from consolidating. My POE is large. Who wants my vote?

[Albert B. Rampage]

if you think scum control the game state id expect you to post more and do more leading

rather than offer your vote to others?

That strategy comes with its own problems. I hope that I don't need to explain.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okapoka what's your top 3?

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: xtoxm

[Albert B. Rampage]

FB gave an explanation for dann and Ythan but I don't understand it very well so I'm sort of ignoring it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I lose interest when people start using words like deepwolf, LHF and LAMIST. Anyways can we flip Xtoxm?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Need 2 more votes to end the day

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't particularly want the day to end yet

Naval gazing seems to be a speciality of yours.

[Albert B. Rampage]

abr, why is xtoxm scum

and for brownie points why is he a better flip than any other flip

As far as I'm concerned he's done little and less to help the town. Spending most of the day not voting is innacptable, and his iso is sparse and underwhelming. Not a slot I'd be sorry to see go.

[Albert B. Rampage]

abr, why is xtoxm scum

and for brownie points why is he a better flip than any other flip

As far as I'm concerned he's done little and less to help the town. Spending most of the day not voting is innacptable, and his iso is sparse and underwhelming. Not a slot I'd be sorry to see go.

which slots would you be sorry to see go

Innocentvillager and Hopkirk.

[Albert B. Rampage]

how am i meant to decide between eliminating xtoxm, eliminating abr, and policying hercule
this game is impossible

It's easy, one is at L-2 and the other two aren't.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@a50 I think you know me well enough to hate cases, just let me inside your head. Wtf are you seeing with ABR? & Same for DGB I guess but I'm a bit less interested

When did you go from this post to I'm scum and DGB is town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm interested in an elaboration on this theory.

I feel like there's scum in DGB/the worst. Nobody's interested in bandwagonning them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm interested in an elaboration on this theory.

I feel like there's scum in DGB/the worst. Nobody's interested in bandwagonning them.

Spoiler:

And I think that's absolutely intentional and I'm scrapping with motherfuckers. Biased but whatever. That's why I'm not really interested in xtoxm lim because it doesn't personally benefit me.

What did I just read?

[Albert B. Rampage]

And that's where preflip comes in

Your reason for suspecting me is because you don't like the townreads on me, and apparently unspecified members of that group are scum, so that makes me scum

DGB putting you in a special category for low hanging fruit was weird.

[Albert B. Rampage]

She said it was revenge for what I said about her.

what about her buddying of you after that?

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: the worst

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spoiler: For ABR

gamestate/sanity check

for 42 pages, wagon movement has been awfully slow hasn't it?

To be blunt, there's a lot of launchbait in this game. Or at least people I fall into a habit of wanting to elim

ABR, DGB, A50, JacksonVirgo, and recently Titus

I don't think anybody has brought up eliminating me (the opposite in fact), so putting me in a separate category by myself is silly and unfounded

It's founded on petty revenge for you calling me yeet bait!

She said it was revenge for what I said about her.

what about her buddying of you after that?

What are you referring to?

OK I missed that. DGB was asking you to vote xtoxm before.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Playing this feels like im pumping the brakes and pushing the gas at the same time with my team backseat driving and the radio to the max

[Albert B. Rampage]

My team want me to push their reads "but with your aggressive energy". Its not how that works.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MASTINA !! HOW DARE YOU SHOW YOUR FACE AFTER YOU TURN THE INVITATION TO OUR TEAM DOWN!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastina is everything this game needed. Just looking at her reads list I am excited.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I could have predicted with near 100% certainty that Martina was going to scumread me and I am annoyed that I have to play with her as I have been avoiding it for some time now.

this is going to be a long game for you then

[Albert B. Rampage]

New sheriff in town boys

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB is scummy like a skinny chef.

VOTE: DGB

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've seen so many of these end with a townflip.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Choo choo

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't get why an ABR wagon sprang up.

Vibes

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: ABR

This one is disappointing

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xtoxm at l-1 with intent to hammer, im just gonna call out the chances of him flipping town are much higher than the worst / oka / ceph vote block seem to think

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sometimes I'm the only one to be right against the entire group. It happens.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sometimes I'm the only one to be right against the entire group. It happens.

mm now I don't really understand though, do you think xtoxm is town or do you think they're scum? you were keen on the wagon earlier that's indisputable

I don't feel like digging through old games but day 1 xtoxm town flip feels uncomfortably familiar.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xtoxm at l-1 with intent to hammer, im just gonna call out the chances of him flipping town are much higher than the worst / oka / ceph vote block seem to think

*snore*

is there a reason you're still playing page 5 of a mafia game on page 80whatever?

This isn't my show. I'm gonna grab some popcorn and watch yall do these things you do lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Catching up, looks like a lot happened, TL:DR me please!

Big egos come out in Team Mafia.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've barely read this game, I'm not emotionally invested, and I've got nothing for ya. Luckily I also don't care if I get flipped for the same reason.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The worst spamming has been a big reason so killing him would be helpful to the game state. Xtoxm can still be scum I'll probably vote there before my teammates jump on me for not doing so. DGB feels like scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Im very surprised Hopkirk jumped on me to be honest. If i wasnt on the verge of dying id vote him over dgb and xtoxm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: xtoxm

Saving myself lol. If it flips town dont look at me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm just going to outsiurce my vote to mastin for the rest of day 1.

VOTE: hercules

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

I'm just going to outsiurce my vote to mastin for the rest of day 1.

VOTE: hercules

this person clearly has not read the game, I should sheep them while I'm being wagoned, this elim will definitely go through and save me!

Such is the nature of mafia. You voted me because oka and hopkirk told you to

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin where are you in your catchup?

Exact same spot as before: page 14.

I can't simultaneously read the earlier pages AND read the current pages when the current pages are being created so rapidly. Given that I'm forced to choose, the current takes priority over the past.

When people start to slow down on the current posting, I'll go back to the past posting.

FML.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You have one point which is potentially right--I don't really see why ABR would sheep me, because I would expect him to lack that respect in my capabilities, for him to not think I really have a good read on the state of the game. But even in that one point, ABR with me is the type of player who I seem to recall actually has done this before with me, when he was town, in spite of that general mindset towards me. So even in that potential point, I think it's not right.

Beggars can't be choosers

Anyways I shouldn't have garnered so much attention. The only people this helps is scum. I'll let things die down and try not to stop the show. I made 1 post about xtoxm you guys disagree with and the entire posse jumped on me. I'm town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

"Xtoxm said Titus townreading someone scumreading her was townish before that someone scumread her"

"ABR is trying to stop town from lynching xtoxm and he has no reads"

Those are the cases on the table right now

[Albert B. Rampage]

"Xtoxm said Titus townreading someone scumreading her was townish before that someone scumread her"

"ABR is trying to stop town from lynching xtoxm and he has no reads"

Those are the cases on the table right now

[Albert B. Rampage]

86 pages gave us these gems

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I get invested early on I can be more proactive but inspiration eludes me and I've gotten lazier. Don't expect me to change later in the game, I probably won't.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Stfu and gtfo dann

[Albert B. Rampage]

Abr why did you go from supporting xtoxm wagon to saying it will probably flip town when intent was placed?

Because it's what I think

[Albert B. Rampage]

The level of certainty that xtoxm is scum is obnoxious to me. Same with the wagon on me. It's hard to play some good mafia with this herd mentality.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm starting to have some fun now! I'll finish this tomorrow if I'm still alive. Don't lynch me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

WINTER FLAKES WAS UNCROWNED ALL ALONG???

Look who's not reading. This was mentioned early in the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok there was too much resistance and oka and crew couldn't get me over the threshold so we are back at the designated lurker lynch of the day. You guys are bad.

[Albert B. Rampage]

100 pages and we are just going to lynch a lurker, we could have done this a week and 80 pages ago. Xtoxm is lynchbait. I don't understand why you guys think you're good, you just write words and push submit then pat yourselves on the back. There's no scumhunting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

100 pages and we are just going to lynch a lurker, we could have done this a week and 80 pages ago. Xtoxm is lynchbait. I don't understand why you guys think you're good, you just write words and push submit then pat yourselves on the back. There's no scumhunting.

OK

Who's the scum?

HOW THE FUCK CAN I ANSWER WHEN THE WAGONS HAVE BEEN ON TOWN ALL DAY

[Albert B. Rampage]

AGAR WAS INSTANTLY AT L-2 AND HE WAS TOWN
XTOXM AT L-1
ME AT 8 VOTES

THERE IS NO LEGIT BANDWAGON TO TEST REACTIONS ITS JUST THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE ALL VOTING TOGETHER FOR TOWN AND THEN ASKING ME WHOS SCUM

YOU ARE SCUM

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB. YOU ARE

[Albert B. Rampage]

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE COUNTERWAGON TO ANY OF US NOT AGAR OR XTOXM OR ME WHY IS THAT? BLIND TRUST AND SHEEP THATS WHY

[Albert B. Rampage]

WITH SCUM NOT MAKING ANY EFFORT

GO ALONG TO GET ALONG WITH THESE FOOLS WHO ALL VOTE THE SAME WAY WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS

[Albert B. Rampage]

DrippingGoofball. Hercules. You Hopkirk. I have very little influence in this game because the ones running the show decide where the action is and I'm relegated to the sidelines like a crazy homeless person. It's not up to me to change the course of the game, it's up to those that everyone townreads and follows to wake up and make better bandwagons. My entire scumhunting technique is to run people up and look at their reactions. Xtoxm is ineffective because he's doesn't do jack shit. AGar I've assessed is town. Now we need to keep going. KEEP PUSHING.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't suspect Uncrowned where did you get that Hopkirk??

[Albert B. Rampage]

Im very surprised Hopkirk jumped on me to be honest. If i wasnt on the verge of dying id vote him over dgb and xtoxm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You not having influence is entirely your own volition. You have still yet to explain why someone else is scum and should be voted.

I don't want influence. All I do is run people up and look at reactions. People who follow me subscribe to the same method of scumhunting. It doesn't ways work, sometimes it wastes time, and it will often out PRs who claim too early or sometimes result in a quickhammer on unclaimed PR. There's a fucking reason I am standing back and observing the wagons. 99% of this thread is NAI, people spouting off opinions IDGAF about and posturing like they have a clue because "Day 1".

[Albert B. Rampage]

What about it surprised you?

You should know I'm town. We think alike. Your vote on me was opportunistic and you swaying the way the wind was blowing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I haven't seen your scumgame before.

Links in my wiki and post history for more recent ones.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR what's your take on mastina or Ythan? I would vote either. I've made that clear as well. I'm not even sure who you are classifying as "running the show"

Mastin town Ythan dont know

[Albert B. Rampage]

I also run people up and look for reactions but also i understand that you need to set a bar and if the reaction fails you dont let go. Xtoxm cant clear the bar, hes either scum who hopes he can go too scummy to be scum or hes town that refuses to play, in team mafia. Either way rewarding that isnt correct.

I'm with you up to a certain point. Xtoxms behavior is isolated

[Albert B. Rampage]

This game is like a pack of hyenas trying to jam a lynch through without critical thinking and we are lucky we haven't mislynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I haven't seen your scumgame before.

Links in my wiki and post history for more recent ones.

so what i'm saying
I voted you because hectic said how you react to wagons as scum.
I saw vaguely how you respond to pressure as town last game. you haven't really been pressured this game and are in a lot of the poes i've seen
what's your issue with my vote that i know isn't going to lead to a lethal in the context of your other reads?

OK. If you're not making it up then what did Hectic think I would do if pushed as scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

let's say we run up ythan

or winter flakes or literally anyone else that is ABR approved

what's to stop them doing the exact same thing xtoxm is doing now and oh well I guess they must be town time to go wagon everyone else for 8 days

Xtoxm behavior is isolated. People came to compete and play not to be fucking lurker in Team Mafia, whats the glory in dragging everybody down or winning that way?

flail basically. ABR is quieter than he used to be. if he's scum he's likely to effortpost more if he gets wagoned. hard to sort before then.

roughly the sentiment

Ok your vote makes more sense then.

[Albert B. Rampage]

what i don't understand is that you've said i play 'like you' defined that as 'wagon people to see how they react' then seem surprised i was happy to wagon you (while you were in my poe).
why didn't you have an issue with me while you were in my poe? why only now

(@abr)

I gave my gut reaction, but you are correct obviously. Doesn't take out the sting of the feeling of a backstab.

[Albert B. Rampage]

let's say we run up ythan

or winter flakes or literally anyone else that is ABR approved

what's to stop them doing the exact same thing xtoxm is doing now and oh well I guess they must be town time to go wagon everyone else for 8 days

not only this but if we drop xtoxm and i go around trying to build a wagon on ythan because ythan isn't really playing the game, everyone will be like well xtoxm is playing it less why we are moving? I'll have to respond either with some bullshit or the truth, pressure ythan and hope that he plays.

if ythan is scum or even town, understandably he is not actually under any pressure because at the end of the day he can ignore us and realize the wagon will collapse and we will regroup on xtoxm.

pressure can't exist for the sake of pressure, there must be a realistic chance that they can die. its why so often people misread scum for not flinching under pressure from early day wagons, because scum know that town are too scared to end days early and will dissolve for new things.

Pressure always exists for the sake of pressure, this is mafia, human behavior is unpredictable and the chance of it going through always exists.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There must be debate. You can't just have me nominating someone and then 8 votes come swinging like you've done the past 3 wagons. The point is in the taking sides, if we all agree then either the entire scum team is bussing or they are laughing at us for both voting wrong and also keeping their hands completely clean effortlessly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've rolled scum at times and had wagons build on me and I could play it cool because I knew they weren't actually going to kill me. And then I got townread for it. I've "bussed" teammates in situations that would've lost me the game and gotten townread for it, because I knew it wouldn't follow through. Pressure is not pressure unless you are willing to pull the trigger. I think xtoxm is gambling on us dissolving on him with how he is playing this one out

You might be right on that. I've never seen anything spectacular from xtoxm either way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ok, what do you want to debate?

You're not going to be able to lynch me buddy. I will eat your soul.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Ythan

Reason: he's voting AGar and dropping in to make trivia comments in the middle of this shitstorm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm fucking trying to have a dialogue with you here

You jumped on my bandwagon the first chance you saw, don't play games

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd be willing to put pressure on ythan if not for the fact that I've already undermined my ability to put pressure on ythan while xtoxm is alive.

Good.

[Albert B. Rampage]

AGAR WAS INSTANTLY AT L-2 AND HE WAS TOWN
XTOXM AT L-1
ME AT 8 VOTES

How would you know 2 of these are town? The rest of us don't know your alignment.

I think they are. I'm speaking from my perspective.

[Albert B. Rampage]

THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE COUNTERWAGON TO ANY OF US NOT AGAR OR XTOXM OR ME WHY IS THAT? BLIND TRUST AND SHEEP THATS WHY

You could say all these are counterwagons to each other.

The wagons never existed at the same time to compete with each other.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good. I'll take it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

idk and im feeling a little crappy today

Use your vote to help us vote Ythan, don't be a useless xtoxm

[Albert B. Rampage]

DrippingGoofball. Hercules. You Hopkirk. I have very little influence in this game because the ones running the show decide where the action is and I'm relegated to the sidelines like a crazy homeless person....

How am I running the show? I'm not running no show.

Neither are Hercule and Hopkirk. Regardless of alignment, they are contributing to the discussion in positive way.

You're not running the show you're cheerleading overconfidence and incompetence.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's chock-full you gonk

[Albert B. Rampage]

You goof. Vote Ythan with us

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR

I have to decide whether to sheep you or vote you.

Conferring with team mates rn.

Fair.

[Albert B. Rampage]

xtoxm what does lurker mean to you

[Albert B. Rampage]

i kinda stopped caring and made that clear
pb/fl are busy anyway

can you get your team to care? FL and Pink Ball are quite strong players.

[Albert B. Rampage]

you're too cocky Oka, that's your downfall

[Albert B. Rampage]

that means you won't kill me? be a little cowardly to kill me and not try and elim me abr

I don't think scum are afraid of you, you're not that impressive.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin come back.

[Albert B. Rampage]

why is the worst being randomly thrown into people's scum lists

this is why i suggested abr explain his mystery scumread on me like a thousand pages ago. lol.
i don't think most of this list has had a go at trying to read my alignment

look tbh i need to go outside and i'm annoyed people are entertaining this dude playing in pretty poor faith. i could vote ythan. i could vote flakes. i appreciate i have no idea what abr's alignment is but that is because he is explicitly not doing anything to solve the game so i'm completely comfortable leaving a policy vote on him while i'm still grumpy.

I already explained this. I pushed you for a reaction not because I'm convinced you're scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

i apologize a50
VOTE: abr

I'm going to look up some ms.net players to embody for the rest of the day, any suggestions

Welcome back, regular.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I townread xtoxm, agar and mastin.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You can lynch me but I'm a VT.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR if I hammer you who's next?

I kinda think you're town, and if I'm wrong then silly me and I need to reevaluate and stop being so uncomfortable

Please don't follow anything I say or give any credit to any of my fake scumreads I've no idea.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Political correctness is a tool of the 1%. Freedom of speech motherfucker

[Albert B. Rampage]

You not having influence is entirely your own volition. You have still yet to explain why someone else is scum and should be voted.

I don't want influence. All I do is run people up and look at reactions. People who follow me subscribe to the same method of scumhunting. It doesn't ways work, sometimes it wastes time, and it will often out PRs who claim too early or sometimes result in a quickhammer on unclaimed PR. There's a fucking reason I am standing back and observing the wagons. 99% of this thread is NAI, people spouting off opinions IDGAF about and posturing like they have a clue because "Day 1".

[Albert B. Rampage]

You not having influence is entirely your own volition. You have still yet to explain why someone else is scum and should be voted.

I don't want influence. All I do is run people up and look at reactions. People who follow me subscribe to the same method of scumhunting. It doesn't ways work, sometimes it wastes time, and it will often out PRs who claim too early or sometimes result in a quickhammer on unclaimed PR. There's a fucking reason I am standing back and observing the wagons. 99% of this thread is NAI, people spouting off opinions IDGAF about and posturing like they have a clue because "Day 1".

[Albert B. Rampage]

I already claimed vote me if you need to so I can focus on my team's games. With Titus who rep in I was never going to be a dominant force anyway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've got 3 votes on me and 4 with Titus who is like a permavote on me in every game I roll town in with her. Did my best to not be a distraction today, didn't work.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I only develop reads after I see someone under pressure. The rest is just posturing and doesn't make any difference.

[Albert B. Rampage]

At the end of the day the well liked players who post content people agree with live on, and that's all this is. I gotta bite the bullet in some games, this is a waste of our collective time as I predicted a long time ago.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're muddying the waters. I started yelling when I had 3 votes on me dude, everyone had moved on. Look at the VC.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This hail mary to save myself narrative is complete BS.

I only started getting mad after everyone had already unvoted me, I claimed vt with only 2 votes on me. This is me being tired town and giving up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: cephrir

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tell me who you want me to vote because I'm resisting voting myself as hard as I can.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The blockheads are just people who tried very hard to lynch xtoxm agar and me for 115 pages despite some of us being townread by a50 mastina and uncrowned. There, I saved you a wall.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We would easily work together if we focused on common threats but Oka thinks in terms of allies and enemies with xtoxm agar as the dividing line.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If we pressure more people we will have better reads and form more visible connections. It's stubbornness and self-preservation that will make us mislynch at this point.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We would easily work together if we focused on common threats but Oka thinks in terms of allies and enemies with xtoxm agar as the dividing line.

if you read my post you'd realize what im saying is that both sides have a wolf in them and the last thing we want to do is try and compromise on someone people feel meh on because that's the most susceptible path to manipulation

I got bored around the middle, it was too long. No more colors.

Fine well how about Cephrir???

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why do you think the decision to flip someone solely lies in whether or not ***you*** think they are scum? You are a small part in a big wagon. The risk is outside voters jump on, and it will go through, not that you will keep your vote or not. We will detect the people who are loudly protesting and wanting to keep the pool small. This will be evidence. I don't understand your style of scumhunting of pulling apart day 1 posts and looking whoever is lurking, active lurking, saying manipulative things, or whatever it is. In my experience that isn't effective.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have asked my team. One game is locked and maybe I can get some help with your style of scumhunting from norwee morningtweet or firebringer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

distribution in my head probably looks like 1 1 1 1 or 1 0 2 1 or 1 1 2 0 or 0 1 2 1

I agree the scum are split in the different groups you made, and there's 0-2 scum in each group. I need your help because beating up on xtoxm and Agar doesn't look like it's getting us anywhere.

[Albert B. Rampage]

okay let's dissect this, why do you want my vote if im going to be a small part of a big wagon that will inevitably leave?

It's simply macro strategy, I want everyone to help building bandwagons so we can collect evidence. I haven't been appealing just to you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

well beating up xtoxm made me move you into the scumpile in the sense that i think you are TMI'ng and beating up agar makes me think mastina/agar are antialigned

That's fine. For me xtoxm looks null-town and agar looks town. We can have differences on a tactical level and still work together on macro strategy. I just have not collected enough data to say someoone is scum with a high level of confidence even though I fake it day 1 for pressure's sake.

[Albert B. Rampage]

who else have you been appealing to?

DGB, hercules, cephrir

[Albert B. Rampage]

Phone is dying and I'm going to keep watching the expanse before dinner time. Earth must come first OkaPoka.

[Albert B. Rampage]

how have you appealed to dgb, hercules, cephrir in flipping cephrir? (especially cephrir im so confused

I tried to wagon Ythan earlier.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i think day 1's have diminishing returns without seeing flips, i believe scum are better than town at making a situation good for them the longer the day goes after a certain point, i believe that there is an instrinsic value to cutting days short when the are exhausting to preserve town sanity, and i believe we have enough information to make an informed enough decision as it can be for day 1.

The diminishing return is in going back to covered ground again and again. Which confuses the hell out of me because I see the three of us completely differently from you.

That's all I have for now. Earth must come first.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree with AGar. If we're not going to vote scum today, then we'll get rid of dead weight today and resume this tomorrow.

VOTE: xtoxm

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I don't think he's going to play or be replaced. Voting him now is better than later.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He hasn't even voted anyone all day. If anyone deserves the yeet, it's him, we at least keep the players who want to play in the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm curious to what FL will have to say.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And now, another player is writing AtE for him. Not scum hunting, because that's effort and can be challenged by OkaPoka J Chicken, Esq. Just AtE.

I agree.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not sure I believe it especially if FL told him to claim. Also why wouldn't he have claimed before when he was at L-1? We wasted significant time with him today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This vote on me is bullshit and you all know it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's yeet the worst. AGar, Hopkirk are down. DGB let's go.

VOTE: the worst

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes. He's been worming his way into a ML of me all day long. The worst gets a spartan kick to the face and airlocked the fuck out of this ship.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My reads are as follows:

Town:
Oka
innocentvillager
AGar
hercules
Hopkirk
unwnd

Null:
Almost50
Uncrowned
Ythan
Dunstral
Dannflor
Titus

Lynch pool:
DGB
Xtoxm
Cephrir
the worst

[Albert B. Rampage]

mastina town

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've played with everyone here except Dannflor and you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No it's really not.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In what way Al?

You tell me. What's wrong with you this game? You're not doing anything or helping anyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The question is why you're suggesting this is out of character when it isn't.

You should help.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't believe the investigative claim in a recent game and yeeted sircakez who ended exactly what he said he was despite me being also a similar investigative. Had we given him time, instead of being full of ourselves, we would have won. Voting xtoxm is stupid at this point. If he's scum I'll laugh.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll give xtoxm one night.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is our chance to yeet the worst. AGAR. Wake the fuck up samurai, we have a city to burn.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think xtoxm is still scum.

If we're giving him a day for claim then we're not getting abr in the meantime

Your reads please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We've got like a week left, cards on the table everyone. Who's down to yeet the worst?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're happy with any mislynch but I'm clearly the bigger threat to you and yours. You don't want to NK a VT so you're back trying to form your coalition against me again with ceph and dany.

[Albert B. Rampage]

nobody, lol.

for the record we explicitly want to know what part of it seems fake. it felt like, extremely natural to us and you've been a point of contention in our dialogue for a long ass time - what part of my read on you makes you just go "bullshit" carte blanche?

You've been angling for me for quite some time and waiting for your opportunity. You come at the king you best not miss.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR
SS is less annoyed than me. he asks why you believe it's angling for a push, rather than just town!us deliberating on our actual read.

You've failed before because of all the players who stayed on xtoxm, now that he's claimed and potentially new wagons will begin to be formed you're trying to paint me as the target. You're scum, yes, but it doesn't stop there. You're the key to this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's not how you spell artificial in English scumbag.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've been onto you for a long time and I could say whatever I want to misdirect you but games are over, and you're getting booted friend.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This "now or never" line from DGB doesn't make me trust her any more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

are you buddying me dgb ;-;

It's working.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And I fucking do realize my argument (about DGB) is falling on deaf ears, so I'm just making it for MY OWN SAKE (post-game I get to brag about it)

VOTE: DGB

[Albert B. Rampage]

Far from me to being an impediment to both fun and progress, you have my support for DGB.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin would not have defended me or xtoxm if he was scum. He's town. DGB or the worst today please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Call to arms: who *opposes* a mastina flip

i sort of do but im open to hearing more. they just seem like stubborn town to me but ive never played with them before.

Be careful about your NASTY, deliberately TOXIC garbage misgendering btw. Don't let it happen again or punishment may be enforced.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I pronounce it Yee-Than.