Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[Titus]

Hectic, you had one job. I must ruin you tomorrow or tonight if lucky. No hard feelings though.

[Titus]

Yeah not reading this until tomorrow.

[Titus]

It was a real read! I don't believe ondore's lies

my job is to pocket enough townies that we can elim the masons when they come out to fight us for thread control

VOTE: Starcrossed

Are you an alt by chance?

[Titus]

Well I would have to assume scum roles centered around player list positioning. It would be like... A long term thing, maybe.

that's interesting

so maybe instead of conditional miller, skitter is actually a conditional godfather?

I do not like this thought
(Before anyone says thats cuz its abt me, its not)

Maybe it's because GF is contrabooned?

Pedit: Mods take out picks. Since there's two mods, it's most likely one drafts like town the other scum. That's what T v A was at least.

[Titus]

@FL, Was Pooky or Kanna in that game where you tried to miselim a mason?

[Titus]

Then that seems rather odd of a reference but not automatically scum damning.

[Titus]

Alright, so here's what we're going to do:

All millers claim early on, or you will be faded if we find out later.

possible there are scum Millers? I don't know if this follows BooneyToonz exactly.

I claim VCA miller. I look guilty before VCA.

[Titus]

Alright, so here's what we're going to do:

All millers claim early on, or you will be faded if we find out later.

possible there are scum Millers? I don't know if this follows BooneyToonz exactly.

4 town only roles were changed to any alignment, you can see the changes are those out of alphabetical order at the start of "any alignment"

Why would you think to cross reference this?

[Titus]

Yeah, the plan is for you to play like a jester and attract all suspicion in the early stages. Best case scenario, you escape death while pushing on someone you think is obvtown. You got this <3

can you tell me who to push? i dont want to accidentally yeet your deepwolf

Push Titus while pressing her for VCA. When she says it's too early, policy-case her

Hi. Unlucky for you, I am not a one trick pony.

[Titus]

And you can ask players like Titus/Venus, they'll see my logic.

Didn't I actually push Flavor in T v A?

[Titus]

Chara is noty scum.

Back off. I can't endorse a gamethrow here.

Really? An account that pops up just to impersonate me. I am flattered.

[Titus]

Nah, I don't think he picks Auro/Nancy. I picked Nancy in Pooky vs FL, and I feel like Hectic would know I would catch Auro.

What is the dynamic between Titus and Hectic?

Hectic and I are dynamic opposite playstyles.

[Titus]

Gamma Emerald, Titus, Chkflip, and Xtoxm.

I want to hear some from them, see where their heads are at. They're not going to be happy with the pace of this game.

I have met Titus in real life multiple times.

I have met Chkflip in real life once.

I have never met Xtoxm, but Xtoxm and I work really well together.

Gamma and I go like 6 years back. (Titus technically going on 7 since we met.)

I want to see their reads.

I want to see my reads too...this game is like a thirty page RVS.

[Titus]

Skitter-Unwnd is my town block right now.

Skitter Unwnd and the second miller claim is a decent start.

[Titus]

Yeah, let's get some votes on RCE and Chara, see what happens.

Claims at E-2, E-3 please. No hammers this fast. I want to talk to Chkflip.

VOTE: RCE

[Titus]

Spoiler: wall

My last post wasn’t quite long enough for the standards I am going for on these walls, and I deeply apologize for that. Henceforth the walls be 10 times bigger to keep those pesky scum out of this town. Trust me the walls are going to be excellent.

One thing ive noticed is how many people been pointing to starcrossed scum? Like a lot and I felt and vibed with this early on before I decided to do deep dive. I am wondering if this starts becoming one of those reads everyone jumps on because they hear someone point out “well X is suspicious” and then everyone else is like “yeah that is”, and I think that if you go read the game back pooky stands out and I think its on purpose for the me/catboi stuff I mentioned in my prior post. I believe pooky is going for those kinds of “lets see what happens when I poke and push and prod here” and its not a 100% in line with the current game vibe so it comes across a bit suspicious to people. At least that’s what I think is going on, that and the later game posts don’t jive well with that theory I guess of trying to see what he is going for, if he is going for reactions it doesn’t connect to what he does later where it doesn’t seem like that is the purpose because the follow up doesn’t feel right. Of course I think that is a bit too early to say.

I want to now elaborate one someone else instead of just focusing all my time and love on pooky, lets talk skitter. Now her claim, I don’t care about. So we won’t be talking about that much or at all really. She could lie, I don’t care. What I did like and I mentioned before, is she started immediately going into this natural process of thinking who hectic would and wouldn’t pick on team. Now someone can correct me on this, but I don’t remember scum doing that inn most of these games very early on. Yes, it is all wifomy and opinionated, but I think early on doing this is conducive to town mindset and trying to see what fruitful discussion we could get. When she responded to my initial townread of her with suspicion, It basically sealed it for me. I will not say I reaction tested her cause I didn’t but yes me townreading her this fast should be suspicious to her and I agree with her on it. Also I want to pocket skitter as town. Will be a lot of fun to do so. Moving onto next person I want to discuss

Now what about my arch nemesis for this game. CHARA! Yes, chara. You will be my arch-nemesis cause I am gonna fight u to the death. We joked about a 1v1, but I am feeling it for real cause I think if you are town here, ur gonna be very haard to trust for me because ur too friendly and charming for ur own good. So I am gonna go in real time as I type this to follow posts to see what I think. First thing that makes me want to question u is the pooky scum read. Is this like I said before in ur joining the consensus. Is the local conscious brain that is this game thread infecting u? Chara too nice in thread as I know and hard to find things to question or think about alignment. I get idea u focused morning tweet and then a scumread appeared before she really got into it. It was kind of like u were already geared to do it and then it happened and I can’t say it wasn’t or was not organic. Actually chara starts developing it and is making some good posts I think? Maybe I should reread when I am not tired and about to go to bed. I think what I just accused chara doing I was on my waay of doing by saying I don’t want ot trust chara cause I think chara could fool more than half the playerlist easy. Ironic? Maybe. It explained the tweet progression but until I see some scumreads and its progression on that ii wont call this town!

Also I have no scumread and im genuinely sad over here. Also I wanted to make this post much longer but I am tired its like midnight and I need to go to bed my family is leaving tomorrow night and I want to spend more time with them tomorrow and not be dead tired. So with love, good night yall.

I redacted the wall but Fire is town.

[Titus]

Titus just feels like someone Hectic would pick who's all around solid who doesn't have any real links (that i'm aware of) with hectic.

This isn't actually bad but flattering. I was thinking this would be something where you'd shade my town game, but it makes sense that Hectic would pick all around good town slots that don't stand out. The sole problem with that is I don't obvtown day 1 but with the right team I guess you could make the argument

[Titus]

Yeah, let's get some votes on RCE and Chara, see what happens.

Claims at E-2, E-3 please. No hammers this fast. I want to talk to Chkflip.

VOTE: RCE

Titus! Hi!!

Any thoughts on either or are you blind sheeping FL?

-Pluto (Auro)

I'll put my thoughts when done reading overall unless something jumps out at me.

[Titus]

My extensive history with Titus, I went to Titus Meet in 2014, which was like multiple days of a bunch of scummers hanging out, sleeping on the floor. I was the youngest one there.

That was fun. A lot of the scummers from that meet don't play anymore. BBMolla I think was younger than you though. Titus meet was the only real party I had there, even though my ex and I just got the house. Scum sabotaged it. My ex almost stopped Titus meet from happening.

[Titus]

Does everyone agree that Hectic wouldn't pick my hydra for scum? Like duh

Game's in more than capable hands and therefore I'm comfortable coasting

Hectic can we do one of those deals where I vote for whoever you want me to and you give me something in turn :3

-Pluto (Auro)

Yuck

[Titus]

I literally need to get voted at some point in this game otherwise my role is useless

VOTE: unwnd

[Titus]

Yuck

Which part

-Pluto (Auro)

The part where you ask to agree that no one would pick you.

[Titus]

Titus thank you

I've always enjoyed playing games with you

You're welcome. I feel flattered.

I hope this isn't a game where Hectic had all the scum flatter me, but I think that's not true.

[Titus]

The part where you ask to agree that no one would pick you.

Three-headed hydra containing Nancy and is an expected early NK?
I wouldn't pick us.

-Pluto (Auro)

You aren't Hectic.

[Titus]

Ydrasse - Weak town
Gamma Emerald - Not memorable, but FL says town
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro) - Lean scum, no real presence of Nancy/Shiro. No cookies.
Morning Tweet - Can be town
Titus - Me
Xtoxm - No presence
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra) - Odd, weak scumlean but FL has a point of everyone SRing the slot
Hopkirk - Weak town
Lunar Martian - Needs more
chkflip - When will he arrive?
Dannflor - Weak town, stronger opening but fell off
Firebringer - Town
skitter30 - Town miller
unwnd - Town voting them upon request
RCEnigma - Weak scum
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Weak scum
Chara - Null

I tried to give a read on everyone. I want to get myself moving. Nothing's really strong though.

[Titus]

You aren't Hectic.

And thus am not allowed to make probabilistic guesses about what Hectic would pick based upon my own thoughts on who I'd pick?

-Pluto (Auro)

Right but applying them to defend yourself with no pressure is icky. Suggesting other slots Hectic might not pick is fine.

[Titus]

weak

town? do you want a toxic 1v1 or something?

Odd, quick jump from flattering to hostile. Not sure what to make of it.

[Titus]

My extensive history with Titus, I went to Titus Meet in 2014, which was like multiple days of a bunch of scummers hanging out, sleeping on the floor. I was the youngest one there.

That was fun. A lot of the scummers from that meet don't play anymore. BBMolla I think was younger than you though. Titus meet was the only real party I had there, even though my ex and I just got the house. Scum sabotaged it. My ex almost stopped Titus meet from happening.

Bbmolla's a year older than me. He's the one who brought me to the site.

That would have been a shame, because that was when I was still new, and I enjoyed that meeting a lot, especially when everyone had to start calling everybody by Boonskiies or drink, even though, I think you were in the other room during that, I feel it definitely still was noted.

I was but it was funny.

My ex not getting involved should have been a huge red flag. It was the time of my life though.

[Titus]

pedit: i remember when i didn't really like playing with Titus. seems so strange now. don't know what was wrong with me, i suppose we just didn't click at the time.

I was an acquired taste. I also changed a fair bit.

[Titus]

Seriously, another game with 30 pages in a day. I'm not reading all this and voting by wagonomics.

Please slow down as I do work.

[Titus]

Theory Xtoxm and Chkflip are scum together. In his short tome here Xtoxm has chainsawed both slots voting chkflip.

VOTE: xtoxm

[Titus]

Theory Xtoxm and Chkflip are scum together. In his short tome here Xtoxm has chainsawed both slots voting chkflip.

VOTE: xtoxm

ONE DAY YOU CAN READ ME

NOT TODAY

Do you agree that xtoxm appears to have a vested interest in keeping you alive?

[Titus]

xtoxm doesn't really look like he has a vested interest in anything

If so, then why have his sole votes been on the two slots who voted chkflip? One is a sheepy wagon vote too.

[Titus]

Chkflip/Titus need your Vanilla/Not Vanilla claims.

Vanilla

[Titus]

Theory Xtoxm and Chkflip are scum together. In his short tome here Xtoxm has chainsawed both slots voting chkflip.

VOTE: xtoxm

chkflip is not scum. Xtoxm is possible, but not for those reasons.

I can live with being wrong on flip, but if xtoxm is scum then flip is at least useful to scum.

[Titus]

Awesome.

No votes on Titus.

Not going to ask the logical followup because you're conftown and have your own plan.

[Titus]

WHAT

Xoxtm doesn't use the little influence he has to attack your wagon if you're actually harming the scumteam.

[Titus]

That's confusing wording for the point I'm trying to make. Xtoxm didn't chainsaw dann for voting chk because dann was not voting chk at the time. This is only reflected by the current vote count and not actual events.

Fair enough. I can't really read 150 pages a day and that's the speed of all my games atm.

[Titus]

Vanilla/Not Vanilla

skitter30 - Not Vanilla
unwnd - Not Vanilla
Ydrasse - Not Vanilla
Xtoxm - Not Vanilla
Chara - Not Vanilla
Venus Mars and Pluto - Not Vanilla
Morning Tweet - Not Vanilla
chkflip - Not Vanilla
catboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii - Vanilla

Dannfloor - Not Vanilla
Starcrossed - Not Vanilla
Titus - Vanilla

Gamma Emerald
Hopkirk
Lunar Martian
Firebringer
RCEnigma

So if I get this right, scum must create two pools. One with the vanilla claimers and one with the not vanillas.

If only three vanillas claim, all scum must be in the PRs.

The more scum that claim vanilla, the more we can trust PR claims.

[Titus]

Back off from catboi. I have a solid TR on him and the pushes on him are crap. My VCA will show him as town on Day 4.

*sees hydra town casing their partner*

*glares*

Who is this account impersonating me? I don't have a catboi read for the record.

[Titus]

Totus i think it was called. It was your avatar and a fake mustache

Yes. I am asking who is behind it?

[Titus]

Whoops wrong quote sorry

And of course there shall be gloating

Pedit that would be sad indeed

Its also sad that she's kinda scummy when she pops in

Thanks

[Titus]

don't really have a read on her
gun-to-head town but wouldn't like bet on that or anything

I wouldn't bet on me either but if I understand correctly I have a minimum of 75% likelihood of being town from y'all's perspective.

[Titus]

I wouldn't bet on me either but if I understand correctly I have a minimum of 75% likelihood of being town from y'all's perspective.

Yah that's a pretty good reason to just townread Titus!!

@Titus: Likewise what's your read on Skitter and Dann?

-Not a planet anymore (Auro)

Honestly, I have no real reads.

[Titus]

Ok you can be town then! What's your impression on my slot now that Nancy has posted?

(Went back and read my slot's "slip", lulz)

-Pluto (Auro)

I haven't read a Nancy post, and that's nothing to do with her. I just haven't been able to keep up with all my games.

[Titus]

Vla today

[Titus]

Morning Tweet's grown on me here.

Honestly, I say after Firebringer claims, we fade Dannfloor and move to Day 2.

Yuck btw

[Titus]

So how do we know there's three VTs? I haven't been able to keep up.

[Titus]

So how do we know there's three VTs? I haven't been able to keep up.

it is one of the rules that Krazy told Flavor Leaf

Town stumps aren't supposed to be told the rules that exist in designing the setups

[Titus]

So how do we know there's three VTs? I haven't been able to keep up.

it is one of the rules that Krazy told Flavor Leaf

Town stumps aren't supposed to be told the rules that exist in designing the setups

I was informed of what Hectic was Informed of.

To be clear, Pooky was not informed of the rules you sent and for you to get that information is very abnormal.

[Titus]

Oh ok.

[Titus]

I don't like the lack of wagons here but I will submit if Dannfloor is the elimination. Just give me time to catch up to give reads before I die.

[Titus]

You might get Chara if Dann is scum from wagons Titus her progression on me makes me sad at least

pedit: that is tru too I guess abt venus

I suppose I should do my reads both ways on Dann.

[Titus]

VOTE: Dann

I'm not catching up in the next day or two, so I'll just VCA with flips or catch up tomorrow.

In case I die, here's directions for my VCA.

Color in the VCs with conftown and flips
Look for what is obvious town intent first. Eliminate those players.
Then look at preferences, if someone preferred eliminating scum over town, give town points.
Look for possible bus/distancing votes. Assign scumpoints.
Look at players diverting from scum, assign anti-town points. Be careful. Here is where you may find the townbeard.

With enough data, you should be able to nail the scumteam with this data if I die.

[Titus]

Did I just hammer?

[Titus]

Well it's a good thing I'm conftown. That legit was derp.

[Titus]

I claim bed time. Please keep the post count low.

[Titus]

Honestly, Titus hammering Unwnd isn't a play I'm against right now.

VOTE: unwnd

[Titus]

This game still feels like RVS. I just can't get my teeth in. I am just Flavor's vote until then.

[Titus]

Can I have a VC?

[Titus]

Wait why is Hopkirk voting me?

[Titus]

VLA this weekend

[Titus]

I'm ok with getting eliminated. I can't get into a shitposty game and if my elimination confirms others who are more invested, so be it.

There's a total lack of counterwagons too that I use as a failsafe.

[Titus]

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Titus]

VOTE: Lunar

[Titus]

they were 50-50 guiltied, and took the aggro route.

I figured it was something like this and mason fishing. That's why I voted right away.

[Titus]

@Shiro



Cookies due out Monday after work. I am still VLA although recent pages by skim look more promising.

[Titus]

I just skimmed the VCs

Right now I get
Gamma town
Morning Tweet lean town
Xoxtm, skitter, chara and Starcrossed as persons of interest.

[Titus]

I just skimmed the VCs

Right now I get
Gamma town
Morning Tweet lean town
Xoxtm, skitter, chara and Starcrossed as persons of interest.

I agree with you on Gamma and I’m not getting anything from you so far that makes me think you could be a potential Hectic draft.

Tweetie may be town, I think her engaging with me even when she was pushing me still feels more believable than Skitter’s push on me.

I would have drafted me on Hectic's spot. After all, I did ask to be drafted.

My VCA has xtoxm as a person of interest but I struggle to see why Hectic picks him. I side with my votes though.

VOTE: Xtoxm

[Titus]

Ok. 20 pages since my last post. Catching up tonight.

[Titus]

Can someone bold and at me with the VT and non VT scumpools so I can check my work?

[Titus]

I just skimmed the VCs

Right now I get
Gamma town
Morning Tweet lean town
Xoxtm, skitter, chara and Starcrossed as persons of interest.

I just skimmed the VCs

Right now I get
Gamma town
Morning Tweet lean town
Xoxtm, skitter, chara and Starcrossed as persons of interest.

I agree with you on Gamma and I’m not getting anything from you so far that makes me think you could be a potential Hectic draft.

Tweetie may be town, I think her engaging with me even when she was pushing me still feels more believable than Skitter’s push on me.

I would have drafted me on Hectic's spot. After all, I did ask to be drafted.

My VCA has xtoxm as a person of interest but I struggle to see why Hectic picks him. I side with my votes though.

VOTE: Xtoxm

Can someone bold and at me with the VT and non VT scumpools so I can check my work?

Is Xtoxm still your preferred choice from this list?

I'm fine with any of them. No real preference. If Flavor Leaf votes any there, and I am aware of it, I will grant him my vote.

[Titus]

Interesting, I go vla and the game adds fifty pages and there's a wagon on me. Looks like my priority tmo morning is catchup but this is likely a scum sheeped counter to save xtoxm.

[Titus]

Interesting, I go vla and the game adds fifty pages and there's a wagon on me. Looks like my priority tmo morning is catchup but this is likely a scum sheeped counter to save xtoxm.

Why does scum!Xtoxm try to confitown Starcrossed though? What do you think is the scum motive in doing that?

Buddies? I need to know context and I don't but both were on my people I wanted flipped list. Reading up now.

[Titus]

pretend i wasn’t absent for the whole game

yes, we did receive the message!

~mitsuha

This should be outright confirmed by Starcrossed claiming the text of the message, assuming the text can be verified and changed. I want no wiggle room in case this is S v S.

[Titus]

VOTE: chara

I'm ok with this vote.

I also agree scum was on the xtoxm wagon. It's too big to be pure regardless of xtoxm's alignment.

[Titus]

Question: why would Xtoxm not just claim Messenger? Why claim the modifiers? That significantly weakens the role for no reason.

It gives the conftown in case he dies. If he's tracked on disloyal nights, then it forces a 1 v 1 for scum where scum are literally forced to bus the target or face an uphill battle and net more conftown.

While I think xtoxm and starcrossed are S v S, it's never the strategic play to eliminate there.

[Titus]

Gamma Chara Morning about to concede?

This reeks of scum.

[Titus]

i don't think i can read Tweet properly, if that list was apparently so towny.
though i recognize it's a bad idea to base that feeling on Tweet's scumread on me including that i'm disconnected with the game right now, when she's also feeling that way and is apparently town. :/

but i don't have a strong reason to SR her. i guess i'm just upset with the state of things.

No reason for town to be upset here. We've got a scum elimination and either scum tying themselves together or a new conftown with a method of getting more clears. Overall, I am happy with the gamestate, even if I am the elimination.

[Titus]

i don't think i can read Tweet properly, if that list was apparently so towny.
though i recognize it's a bad idea to base that feeling on Tweet's scumread on me including that i'm disconnected with the game right now, when she's also feeling that way and is apparently town. :/

but i don't have a strong reason to SR her. i guess i'm just upset with the state of things.

I like this post.

Smh

[Titus]

Sorry for being absent, my attention as focused on pokemon upick since it was at deadline.

That game also had scum Chara getting guiltied by Hectic, after the flip in that game I read back this game and realized Chara was more passuve that game than it is here which is why I decided to rethink my read of them here.

Nancy's frustration in arguing with skitter also feels legitimate and not, like, in a scummy way. I don't scumread skitter, though. The whole fight just feels like mutual OMGUS without much substance behind it.

Tbh I had been thinking xtoxm was possibly a mason with the way he was lurking >_>. I'm okay with letting the claim stand for now, though.

MT's readlist doesn't do a whole lot for me, she seemed to have been floating along today until the votes went for her, like, I don't know what she was doing sheeping everything prior to that, I feel like she's capable of more...depth than this as town

Might be scum upset by the MT wagon dissolving

[Titus]

I feel like FL is going to wagon every single player in the game today

Is this a problem?

Catboi moves further down my scumlist

[Titus]

Question: why would Xtoxm not just claim Messenger? Why claim the modifiers? That significantly weakens the role for no reason.

It gives the conftown in case he dies. If he's tracked on disloyal nights, then it forces a 1 v 1 for scum where scum are literally forced to bus the target or face an uphill battle and net more conftown.

While I think xtoxm and starcrossed are S v S, it's never the strategic play to eliminate there.

I seriously doubt this. I think they’re both town.

Even though I think it's S v S, it's something where my accuracy would reveal itself in time. I am open to FL having an artifical impact on wagons throwing off my reads.

Strategically, xtoxm must give us a clear or confirm each night. If I could fake a tracker here I would and just outright hint that I got a result and was hiding it and watch the thread to get a read.

[Titus]

BRB looking up evil catboys for an avatar

Yeah this is probably scum

[Titus]

I think skitter's pretty obviously scum here.

I am townreading skitter by play but I was wrong in Tenet sooo

[Titus]

Town (Ydrasse, Gamma, VMP, Lunar, Fire, Catboi)
Extended POE 1 (Starcrossed, RCE/Skitter30/unwnd) - prob 1 scum
---
POE (MT/Titus/Xtoxm/Chara)- prob 2 scum

I am not a fan of this PoE. The extended PoE is good. Catboi and Lunar are far too high though.

[Titus]

I’m gonna bin Chara as town here

I do not get the Chara townreads. Off to work. Pausing here.

UNVOTE:

[Titus]

Question: why would Xtoxm not just claim Messenger? Why claim the modifiers? That significantly weakens the role for no reason.

It gives the conftown in case he dies. If he's tracked on disloyal nights, then it forces a 1 v 1 for scum where scum are literally forced to bus the target or face an uphill battle and net more conftown.

While I think xtoxm and starcrossed are S v S, it's never the strategic play to eliminate there.

I seriously doubt this. I think they’re both town.

Even though I think it's S v S, it's something where my accuracy would reveal itself in time. I am open to FL having an artifical impact on wagons throwing off my reads.

Strategically, xtoxm must give us a clear or confirm each night. If I could fake a tracker here I would and just outright hint that I got a result and was hiding it and watch the thread to get a read.

I need to understand what happens when he targets mafia because, I’m assuming he knows they’re town if they confirm his message right?

If Pooky is actually a scumbear here, I will be inconsolable. :/

If Pooky makes ascetics targetable, then we can get a result on disloyal nights.

If xtoxm actually visits a slot on a disloyal night, then they are scum. Scum deny getting the message though. Xtoxm would have no way of knowing if this is a lie or the truth. That's why a tracker is needed to verify his visit/non-visit.

[Titus]

how do xtoxm’s modifiers interact with millers?

They should get guilties. Xtoxm should ask though.

[Titus]

how do xtoxm’s modifiers interact with millers?

Great question.

@mod?

Mod can't answer a question assuming xtoxm role is true.

Plus mechanics questions must be sent by PM.

The closest question we can ask privately is does loyal treat millers as scum?

[Titus]

Yeah, I put this game on the backburner because I was conftown and I was expecting actual wagons to emerge. This is a shitposter's game, and that's not my style. I am not even super confident in my reads. I'm not a huge loss at this point. It's too bad too because my other games let up.

[Titus]

Sorry guys for phoning this one in. I thought I was conftown so I could catch up later. By the time I got in it was too late. No hard feelings.