Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic [Game Over]

[Chara]

and i was worried i'd have nothing to read over dinner.

[Chara]

VOTE: RC

[Chara]

Chara!!!!!! Hello!!!!!

hello skitter!!! so happy to play with you again.

[Chara]

Agreed I hope nobody gets into a inconsequential 1v1 that goes on for 10 pages and then some

but this is the only way i know how to read anyone, i'm so bad at mafia, please.

[Chara]

Hectic, you know i get anxious when you give me a plan to follow, i told you this.

[Chara]

oh fuck

[Chara]

i was going to say i think Fire would have trouble genuinely tilting me but that post has convinced me otherwise

[Chara]

now i also think pooky is scum. :>

[Chara]

i wonder if me and chara can still be friends despite this vicious 1v1 we are haaving.

i know, i don't know what came over me.

[Chara]

i dont know if i should be happy or sad but im sad because i wanted to hang out and apparently im not LIKABLE ENOUGH

it's okay, neither was i. and thank god for it.

[Chara]

VOTE: Morning Tweet


(hello!!!!! too bad you are scum. :<)

[Chara]

Truth be told you were first ban alongside Hopkirk. It honestly felt like Krazy stabbed me in the heart when he declared those picks...

is the way the draft worked linked in the main post somewhere?

please explain this for me Hectic <3

[Chara]

i'm sorry Fire, i guess it didn't feel like your heart was in it. you'll have to do better to make mine flutter.

[Chara]

So my first thoughts are Hectic's most obvious choices for the scum team would have been Ydrasse, Hopkirk, Skitter.

Skitter claimed Miller, and that's great because here's the thing: I did not take 3 masons, and because of that I have a Role Cop ability, so I'll be able to confirm if she's miller or not.

i started reading this thinking this is FL, it's total bullshit for sure, then i remembered FL is town, then i started again thinking it was crap but with a different vibe.

[Chara]

Truth be told you were first ban alongside Hopkirk. It honestly felt like Krazy stabbed me in the heart when he declared those picks...

is the way the draft worked linked in the main post somewhere?

please explain this for me Hectic <3

Dw, I got you:

• From the list of 17 players, the moderators say two players who cannot be scum.
  
• The scum treestump drafts a player.
  
• The moderator(s) then determine two players who cannot be scum.
  
• The scum drafter picks again.
  
• Two more get removed.
  
• This continues until the scum team is filed.
  
• The scum and their stump have a PT.

thank you Hectic.

actual question to the thread: is this process correct? i'm assuming it is, because if Hectic lied to me even though he's scum i'll be devastated.

second question, was this common knowledge? i'm surprised by the amount of "can't believe Hectic didn't pick meeeee" jokes when the very first thing that happens is the mod removing two players from being able to be drafted.

[Chara]

I want focus on Hopkirk and Chara.

I'm noting RCEnigma and Unwnd's posts towards me, and I think they could be possible scum as well.

this is actually flattering. <3

[Chara]

Y mt

my vote on Tweet was not a joke, if that helps.

[Chara]

i don't know if i've ever played with town FL now that i try and think about it

[Chara]

i don't know if i've ever played with town FL now that i try and think about it

I feel like there's no way we haven't, but I can't think of any either.

Remember that time I got a Role Cop confirmed Miller in 3p lylo? Good times.

i was literally complaining about this to Isis last night. i'm still mad.

[Chara]

should've made it clearer mafia miller couldn't be a thing lmfao

everybody shut up i'm going to 1v1 Gamma

[Chara]

i thought it was a jokem but i do feel like we just have two scum tree stumps.

[Chara]

cool, let's speedelim Morning Tweet, and then drinks.

pedit: alts are good for the inevitable slip and dramatic reveal.

[Chara]

cool, let's speedelim Morning Tweet, and then drinks.

pedit: alts are good for the inevitable slip and dramatic reveal.

that will make me feel very left out are you sure the drinks can't be before

i'm sorry Tweet, you can drink with us now.

could someone obvtown for me real quick? i was going to rely on FL but i can't fathom him being anything but scum so i'm not getting those endorphins.

[Chara]

Fire, please come back. we can start over.

[Chara]

Firebringer is extremely able to have fun and shitpost as scum.

[Chara]

WOooo!!!!!!!!

So from what i gather unwnd A.) probably (?) doesn't know Hectic very well, B.) is playing differently from their usual style (shitposting), and C.) idk i guess my third reason is they haven't done anything scummy. that qualify as obvtown ?

pedit: KANNA!

Also why are Ydrasse n Hectic recreating their interactions from the last versus series??

thanks Tweet.

congrats unwnd, welcome to the town.
so far the scum have been more helpful to me than the town have. an omen of things to come?

[Chara]

Hopkirk(1)

Hopkirk's posted?

[Chara]

i love playing with you Tweet. <3

pedit: damn it, now i have to actually watch Black Cover so i can lambast FL for saying it has "one of the best shounen arcs in history"

[Chara]

please Ydrasse, i want to hear your top anime.

[Chara]

shounen is pretty hit or miss for me admittedly but i think if i outted my top 3-5 anime i’d get clowned for being pretentious

As long as one of them isn't serial experiments lain you're fine

this is extremely awkward

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Chara]

shounen is pretty hit or miss for me admittedly but i think if i outted my top 3-5 anime i’d get clowned for being pretentious

Maybe don't start that one then. It's 150 episodes ish right now, but speaking of Pretentious...

If anybody needs me, I'll be in the FUN zone.

Jujutsu no Kaisen's really good, it's kind of dark, though, shounen wise.

I like Dr Stone, but that's not for everybody.

this is actually a good subset of shounen, now i'm tempted to try and watch Black Cover on this recommendation.

pedit: yes, Mushishi is great. Hectic, have you seen Natsume Yuujinchou?

[Chara]

Ydrasse should watch Darker Than Black.

pedit: YES. it's pure happiness. watch it with me online. <3

[Chara]

RC, what design? that would be an amazing tattoo.

and Ydrasse, i think you might genuinely enjoy it just based on length + liking pretentious things but something that's also fun.

pedit: gottem. :>

[Chara]

can someone help me find a new anime to watch? bonus points if it's long, please i'm in a content desert

[Chara]

i'll put it on my watch list then!! the only other thing thats REALLY on it anyways is like, dorohedoro? which i can gently nudge down bc it's been there for ages... AHHh now im hyped

i

love

dorohedoro! i was so thrilled when it got an anime. but it's harder to recommend.

[Chara]

can someone help me find a new anime to watch? bonus points if it's long, please i'm in a content desert

New season of attack on titan is out

can someone help me find a new anime to watch? bonus points if it's long, please i'm in a content desert

Have you heard of this really niche anime called

One Piece

i'm going to dayvig one of you.

[Chara]

RC, what design? that would be an amazing tattoo.

and Ydrasse, i think you might genuinely enjoy it just based on length + liking pretentious things but something that's also fun.

pedit: gottem. :>

I have the princess mononoke mask so probably adding the darker than black mask and like, maybe an Anbu one into my sleeve.

this fucks, i didn't know you were cool.

[Chara]

can someone help me find a new anime to watch? bonus points if it's long, please i'm in a content desert

PLEASE watch revolutionary girl utena, it is like, there are so many fun elements in it and a story that is like a fucking gut punch

there are UHHHHH some warnings to be had for it though! if those things bother you. by that i mean a lot

p-edit I LOVE THE DESIGNS IN DOROHEDORO they're so fun, its not typically something id like but actually im lying it is i love stuff that has that sort of... idek the word i guess its grimdark sort of world maybe? bleak? a word in that realm. the designs are insanely good

i'm good with all sorts of content, HxH is also great.
Utena is on my list but i need to wait for the right time in my life to enjoy it properly.

i consider FMA: Brotherhood to be the closest to perfect an anime has come so far. Dororo is a close second.

[Chara]

i generally like anime that feature fantasy violence in some fashion.
one of my favourites i never tell anyone about is Kaitou Joker. it's fantastic and so fun.

[Chara]

i didn't know who Ydrasse was before this game but now i'm kind of crushing on her for how she talks about anime, this is terrible.

[Chara]

Ydrasse you can't just tell someone to read oyasumi punpun

also at what point does Krazy step in and make us stop?

pedit: oh and for anyone who hasn't, read/watch Mob Psycho 100.

[Chara]

any Demon Slayer/Jujutsu fans should check out Kemono Jihen, i have no idea if the anime adaptation is good, but the manga is great.

unwnd do you want to talk about mafia with me

[Chara]

I'm gonna be super disappointed if ydrasse + Chara ends up a top 10 anime betrayal this game.

i would never betray someone who so quickly made me fond of them, not even for mafia.

i think unwnd is town so you'll have to elim me, guys.

[Chara]

Chara/Hopkirk/Dannflorr and then probably a power scum somewhere. Who are some power scum?

i am curious, is this a "this is who Hectic would have picked" sort of team?

skitter: pooky might be scum. do you have a read on Tweet?

[Chara]

FL... you didn't try to pick me as a mason, did you?

[Chara]

FL... you didn't try to pick me as a mason, did you?

I did.

why on earth

[Chara]

chara you silly goose we’re already masons in the mason pt you know we got picked

shhh, i am trying to play dumb here and fakeout Hectic.

Lunar: i imagine the pace will not stay like this.

skitter: breaking my heart over here.

[Chara]

I think Chara/Catboi are town

And for some reason, I sorta think Ydrasee is town

The anime talk was just really pure lol

it was really pure and i loved her Utena and dorohedoro design gushing

but

i don't think it's AI.

I'm not revealing more than that, but RCE and Chara are 2 slots I wanted as Masons, and I didn't get them.

Hopkirk, Ydrasse, Skitter are 3 slots I think Hectic was more likely to draft. I don't think he drafted all of them of course, it would be too obvious.

But I went with the obvious draft in DEB because you do need that.

i am so pleased that you didn't get to mason me because i would have been so disappointed. it's number 1 on roles i hate to play.

[Chara]

scumvibes from Tweet because she seemed to be diving into actual play pretty enthusiastically, and i felt like she'd be the type to also be fluffing just as enthusiastically. not much more than that to it, but she is darling even when you scumread her.

[Chara]

...

i don't think 'diving into actual play pretty enthusiastically' is something tweetie should be scumread for?
i don't get it

you don't think scum would see the fluff fest this game is and think that starting by actually playing mafia is the best idea? it's what i would have done.

not like she's the only one, but based on Tweet's playstyle i thought she'd be a good slot to start looking at.

[Chara]

...

i don't think 'diving into actual play pretty enthusiastically' is something tweetie should be scumread for?
i don't get it

you don't think scum would see the fluff fest this game is and think that starting by actually playing mafia is the best idea? it's what i would have done.

not like she's the only one, but based on Tweet's playstyle i thought she'd be a good slot to start looking at.

no? i think that scum see the fluff fest this game and contribute to it and try to keep it ongoing. i'm not sure why you think scum wouuld deliberately try to post real content in that environment

you think that

all

the scum decide to do that? you don't think any of them make the decision to play a better longgame?
i'm surprised you think the idea is so unlikely, frankly.

[Chara]

i have no idea of Tweet's scum meta. maybe she is the type of nervous scum who takes refuge in a town largely fluffposting. but without that context, it's bothering me that skitter, moreso than thinking Tweet wasn't doing that, rather takes issue with the idea that there might be scum deliberately going for the easy towncred.

also sorry Fire, i didn't see your return. :>

pedit: ehhh. i really don't agree, with the notion that scum wouldn't care about making a strong entry into the game, or that prodding Tweet on a scum ping would be a bad idea.

[Chara]

Oh we're talking about me YAY!@

I won't comment on what's actually AI for me and instead think about why Chara/skitts are under the impression of my play that they r

Oh on further evaluation i have a similar question as skitts for Chara -- why do you take me as the type to take to fluff enthusiastically, but more likely to do so as town? In the only game we have played (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28527), i had an unusually heavy amount of mechanical and reads talk at the beginning.

my posts were like at least 5-6 lines long from the start and all game.. somehow

it was just a guess! you seemed like a fun sort of player who would be more likely to get into it than say... catboi.

[Chara]

i have no idea of Tweet's scum meta. maybe she is the type of nervous scum who takes refuge in a town largely fluffposting. but without that context, it's bothering me that skitter, moreso than thinking Tweet wasn't doing that, rather takes issue with the idea that there might be scum deliberately going for the easy towncred.

also sorry Fire, i didn't see your return. :>

pedit: ehhh. i really don't agree, with the notion that scum wouldn't care about making a strong entry into the game, or that prodding Tweet on a scum ping would be a bad idea.

irregardless of her scum meta i think that nearly all scum choose to join the fluff fest there
and that it's a bit townie for people who instead chose to try to move the game along

i'm not saying that proddign tweet is a bad idea inherently so much as i think that the reasoning for this push is quite questionable

are you under the impression i floated that reasoning expecting or wanting to get Tweet eliminated for it?

pedit: lmao skitter

[Chara]

I think draft analysis should be considered the same way meta should

In the foreground but not ultimately deciding how you read someone/something

I'm surprised you thought so deeply about that tweetie

^^^^^

[Chara]

you kept circling back to it and acted like you thought it was a real read, and it just doesn't seem like a real thought to me
i don't think you were particularly trying to get tweetie limmed off of it

pedit fair enuf
just surprised we got to this point this early tbh

it

was

a real thought, in that i saw Tweet's opening post and thought "hm. scum maybe?" and then tried to figure out why i was feeling that way, while continuing to press on it to see what would happen.

but not a real thought in that "i think this is a legitimate reason to be scumreading Tweet."

[Chara]

it was just a guess! you seemed like a fun sort of player who would be more likely to get into it than say... catboi.

i can understand having that impression prolly

Although i would say this game is relatively high on fluff for me so far, i dont have much in useful content. I can see maybe thinking i'm more likely to get into the game because i'd feel more stiff as scum perhaps? I might have led into the game with the draft analysis thing, for example

i promised i wasnt gonna start self metaing, oups

As for skitts' replies, I actually do think i'd find it generally easier to create reads and content as scum than to mess around as town, cause im a lot more concerned with how i come off as scum -- and being overly fluffy can come off as scum mucking about

once again Tweet continues to validate me, it's really hard to scumread you for this, even though i want to because you'd be doing such a great job of pocketing me right now if you were scum.
but no i feel like you're going to obvtown again, which is the outcome i wanted anyway.

[Chara]

Generally speaking? All of his early posts are really scummy, but part of me is psyched because of the setup

Feel like Pooky would just troll as town just to spite Flavor Leaf for picking him (or maybe I'm projecting)

I'm just naturally scummy I can't help it.

i am assuming unwnd has not played with you before, pooky, but i do think this isn't a strange vibe to get from you.

also my scumread on pooky is just... gone. that was fast.

[Chara]

I actually find it interesting that skitts thinks it's a bad reason to prod me, i think it's alright on the basis of it being easier for scum to create content than seem "carefree", as that is usually the case for me

Of course, I get that joining fluff is probably more closely what you'd typically expect scum to do so :/ i'm nowhere yet really. Perhaps a tad odd skitts didn't think of the alternate scenario where Chara thinks that scum!Tweet simply has trouble being fluffy?

skitter pinged in her response but i'm having a hard time articulating why, something about how her response was straightforwardly correct but failing to account for general weirdness in different players having different mindsets about what is plausible/pushable. just seemed very by the book.

[Chara]

I've played with pooky plenty of times actually

crap, well there goes my cred.

[Chara]

the other thing bugging me about skitter is how much she's been focusing on FL so far. that read is a little dependent on how much skitter's townplay relies on finding obvtown/conftown and trying to work with them.

[Chara]

skitter pinged in her response but i'm having a hard time articulating why, something about how her response was straightforwardly correct but failing to account for general weirdness in different players having different mindsets about what is plausible/pushable. just seemed very by the book.

i still don't think scum start this game that way
i think they join the general scumfest

but do you think it's strange that i, Chara, would think scum might do that?

[Chara]

the other thing bugging me about skitter is how much she's been focusing on FL so far. that read is a little dependent on how much skitter's townplay relies on finding obvtown/conftown and trying to work with them.

?

you don't need to read him, but you're interacting with him quite a bit, at least that's how it feels right now. could be nothing, could be that you're in the unfortunate position of having to deepwolf against FL.

[Chara]

yes ....
it seems really obvious to me that scum would want to fluff over posting content

i feel like this avenue isn't going to lead to any more useful discussion than it has, so let's move on. it seems obvious to

me

that any player who is comfortable as scum might be just fine posting easy earlygame content as they are fluffposting.

[Chara]

Why do you assume Skitter would think she would be able to deepwolf against me?

i've heard she was good as scum and has successfully deepwolfed.
i have no context for her relationship with you or for the power of your towngame.

[Chara]

yes ....
it seems really obvious to me that scum would want to fluff over posting content

i feel like this avenue isn't going to lead to any more useful discussion than it has, so let's move on. it seems obvious to

me

that any player who is comfortable as scum might be just fine posting easy earlygame content as they are fluffposting.

i mean i dropped it several pages back, you've kept asking me abt it

maybe it feels that way to you, but

skitter pinged in her response but i'm having a hard time articulating why, something about how her response was straightforwardly correct but failing to account for general weirdness in different players having different mindsets about what is plausible/pushable. just seemed very by the book.

i still don't think scum start this game that way
i think they join the general scumfest

not the case? i'm talking about why your response pinged, sure, but you reiterated your point, so i responded to it again.

[Chara]

Why would Skitter be the one to be chosen to be the deepwolf is what I'm asking.

I don't think she'd accept it.

Also, damn, Unwnd's impression of me.

idk, i've never been on a scumteam that was coordinated enough for someone to be a designated deepwolf. that play is... miles above where my own game is at.

[Chara]

i absolutely would not want to be
depending on the scumteam i might accept it if necessary but i wouldn't want to; contrary to popular belief i don't, like, actually enjoy deepwolfing for the msot part

i didn't think you enjoy it, mostly the responsibility is pretty terrible so i suppose if you were given the choice i do think you would avoid it.

[Chara]

Can't decide whether Chara got lucky knowing it'd be scummy for me to play game over fluff or if it just got a good sense of how to read me

Complicating this further, i didnt really think i was playing the game all that much lol. At least prior to the point where Chara had that feeling

But this doesn't seem to be the debate -- it seems more like we're determining whether it's scummy for Chara to be under the impression that less fluff = scummy for me. For me personally, i dont think so, but at the same time, im curious if i come off like i would fluff really hard to anybody else who has only played with me a little bit or not at all

pedit DAMMIT we're dropping it okay. Fair enough. The strength of the reads they've gotten on each other might be telling but obviously not ready to decide on that yet

well, we're dropping the original point, i do think the stuff you're saying about your own play is interesting still!
it really didn't go any farther than "Tweet is fun! i like her, i wonder why she isn't fluffing more. i think i'll push her on this ping." that thought ended when you confessed you weren't a weeb and it occurred to me how mind-numbing the anime conversation would be to anyone who didn't watch anime.

[Chara]

the other thing bugging me about skitter is how much she's been focusing on FL so far. that read is a little dependent on how much skitter's townplay relies on finding obvtown/conftown and trying to work with them.

Every take you post just makes me more and more worried. I don't see skitter as having interacted overly with flavor leaf at all, I think she's spoken about a number of people and this feels like a misrepresentation of her play.

her more recent posts when i had that thought were either to me or to FL, ISOing her it's clearer that she's done more than that.

[Chara]

i think i'll probably get a better read on skitter when she's not reacting to my scumread on her, i don't love her responses but there is a feeling that my own expectations are misaligned with how town skitter actually behaves + i think it's natural to have a negative opinion of a player with a wrong scumread of you

[Chara]

Tweet has me thoroughly pocketed, i am never overturning that.

[Chara]

is it bizarre that i think mt/chara could be svs?

skitter, i am sorry i tilted you so early.

[Chara]

actually i might be ready to call skitter townish, i think going from being uncomfortable with me after our interaction to then worrying about Tweet and i being scum together speaks towards the kind of kneejerk paranoia read town would have (at least it's a feeling i often experience as town), more than something scum would be comfortable floating.

what's going on with RCE?

[Chara]

good morning thread

please Ydrasse, i would love caffeine.

[Chara]

i had a dream about this game last night and it was so realistic i'm having genuine trouble remembering what i dreamt and what actually happened. i'm assuming the part where FL has an actual gun he was brandishing at other players was probably a dream.

[Chara]

okay i’m gonna hook you up with one of my FAVORITES then it’s a chestnut praline latte with almond milk i usually do half caf or decaf but i also still get the whip on it too almond milk just tastes better :> that or if you don’t like those flavors caramel macchiatos were what i used to always tell people what to get bc they’re pretty universally liked OR just coffee maybe a misto?

now i

really

wish i had a coffee...

half-caf is how i make it at home, too much caffeine makes me jittery. i like anything with chocolate syrup. i was so upset when they stopped carrying that one triple chocolate syrup, i had my rooommate take the remaining stash of it from our local store.

[Chara]

Spoiler: wall

My last post wasn’t quite long enough for the standards I am going for on these walls, and I deeply apologize for that. Henceforth the walls be 10 times bigger to keep those pesky scum out of this town. Trust me the walls are going to be excellent.

One thing ive noticed is how many people been pointing to starcrossed scum? Like a lot and I felt and vibed with this early on before I decided to do deep dive. I am wondering if this starts becoming one of those reads everyone jumps on because they hear someone point out “well X is suspicious” and then everyone else is like “yeah that is”, and I think that if you go read the game back pooky stands out and I think its on purpose for the me/catboi stuff I mentioned in my prior post. I believe pooky is going for those kinds of “lets see what happens when I poke and push and prod here” and its not a 100% in line with the current game vibe so it comes across a bit suspicious to people. At least that’s what I think is going on, that and the later game posts don’t jive well with that theory I guess of trying to see what he is going for, if he is going for reactions it doesn’t connect to what he does later where it doesn’t seem like that is the purpose because the follow up doesn’t feel right. Of course I think that is a bit too early to say.

I want to now elaborate one someone else instead of just focusing all my time and love on pooky, lets talk skitter. Now her claim, I don’t care about. So we won’t be talking about that much or at all really. She could lie, I don’t care. What I did like and I mentioned before, is she started immediately going into this natural process of thinking who hectic would and wouldn’t pick on team. Now someone can correct me on this, but I don’t remember scum doing that inn most of these games very early on. Yes, it is all wifomy and opinionated, but I think early on doing this is conducive to town mindset and trying to see what fruitful discussion we could get. When she responded to my initial townread of her with suspicion, It basically sealed it for me. I will not say I reaction tested her cause I didn’t but yes me townreading her this fast should be suspicious to her and I agree with her on it. Also I want to pocket skitter as town. Will be a lot of fun to do so. Moving onto next person I want to discuss

Now what about my arch nemesis for this game. CHARA! Yes, chara. You will be my arch-nemesis cause I am gonna fight u to the death. We joked about a 1v1, but I am feeling it for real cause I think if you are town here, ur gonna be very haard to trust for me because ur too friendly and charming for ur own good. So I am gonna go in real time as I type this to follow posts to see what I think. First thing that makes me want to question u is the pooky scum read. Is this like I said before in ur joining the consensus. Is the local conscious brain that is this game thread infecting u? Chara too nice in thread as I know and hard to find things to question or think about alignment. I get idea u focused morning tweet and then a scumread appeared before she really got into it. It was kind of like u were already geared to do it and then it happened and I can’t say it wasn’t or was not organic. Actually chara starts developing it and is making some good posts I think? Maybe I should reread when I am not tired and about to go to bed. I think what I just accused chara doing I was on my waay of doing by saying I don’t want ot trust chara cause I think chara could fool more than half the playerlist easy. Ironic? Maybe. It explained the tweet progression but until I see some scumreads and its progression on that ii wont call this town!

Also I have no scumread and im genuinely sad over here. Also I wanted to make this post much longer but I am tired its like midnight and I need to go to bed my family is leaving tomorrow night and I want to spend more time with them tomorrow and not be dead tired. So with love, good night yall.

I redacted the wall but Fire is town.

i liked this post too. mostly for how much it focused on me, but also the purposeful stream of consciousness posting. i normally find Fire pretty unreadable, but this is actually something i can get thoughts out of and i enjoy it.
you're just as charming, Fire. <3

[Chara]

It's like every town game I roll by page 5 people are like 'well unwnd is obvtown'

Jesus fucking christ

trade with me? i lost all of my old obvtown credit after that scumgame. i can't even blame Hectic because praise from him makes me so happy.

if you wanted to stop looking town, i'd suggest not posting such good takes.

[Chara]

all the players i like keep hating my posts. this is why i like Ydrasse and Tweet.
and Hectic, i hope he shows up in the thread soon. :<

[Chara]

that's sweet of you to say! it does feel like thread sentiment towards me is pretty bad in general, so i guess that's contributing.

[Chara]

Oh, scum's not playing poorly here by any means. I'm positive we've brought up at least one scum being suspicious, doesn't mean they are playing poorly.

Chara scum is not chara playing poorly, it's Chara getting stuck in a rough position, and scum would have a hard time navigating through this.

and yet it also makes me feel like this is going to be the only dayphase i get to play. :<

[Chara]

Chara, can you vote Unwnd for a second for a me?

yeah, sure.
VOTE: unwnd

[Chara]

The part where you ask to agree that no one would pick you.

Three-headed hydra containing Nancy and is an expected early NK?
I wouldn't pick us.

-Pluto (Auro)

what if Hectic picked you so Nancy doesn't go beastmode on the scumteam? what then, Auro?

outguessing Hectic's picks feels partially pointless regardless of whether Krazy used rng or just picked which players Hectic couldn't draft. i guess the accuracy of this sort of thinking does go up when you try and consider who Hectic

wouldn't

pick, but even that isn't foolproof.

[Chara]

You aren't Hectic.

And thus am not allowed to make probabilistic guesses about what Hectic would pick based upon my own thoughts on who I'd pick?

-Pluto (Auro)

you're allowed, but you're not doing that with your own hydra. you know if Hectic picked you or not, it's not making a guess based on probability.

[Chara]

i usually try to avoid having reads on the whole list on day 1 in a large. at least for me, it makes them suck if i try to force it.
but it reminded me chkflip is in this game! that's exciting.

[Chara]

I genuinely townread you Chara, I think the reads on you are insensitive

what do you mean by insensitive?

[Chara]

it doesn't seem like a calculate move, like taking them away from the town sure i guess? but they're (at least the head i know) more likely to get caught out as scum fmpov

i was joking about that, i do know Nancy's great as town but i'm not sure it would be a good idea to draft her just for that when killing her is another option.

pedit: i remember when i didn't really like playing with Titus. seems so strange now. don't know what was wrong with me, i suppose we just didn't click at the time.

[Chara]

I was thinking about tweetie a bit more last night actually

On a scale of I was wrong and I'm actually really paranoid of them

Where does Tweetie lie for you Chara?

i haven't gone and looked at the interaction a second time, but i'm not feeling the Tweet paranoia. it's possible it would resurface later in the game (likely even) but the interactions we had so far felt very real. there's is this ridiculous conspiracy i'm beating back, that Tweet was so accommodating and spent so much effort looking into and responding to suspicions about my play and motives because she was scum, but realistically that thought is so backwards.
it makes a great deal more sense that she was just fired up about playing and doing a thorough job.

[Chara]

the simple fact that shes even talking right now w us in thread makes me feel better LOL

ok i'm going to trust your nancy read here Ydrasse.

-Pluto (Auro)

LMAO

was it a misinterpretation of you confirming you were

talking

about Nancy?

[Chara]

i mean, besides that you've been signing every post with your actual username. :>

[Chara]

i liked how she responded to kitty's point that i was misrepresenting skitter's play. i replied how it had looked to my perception, and Tweet then checked the thread at the time and concluded it made sense for me to have that thought about skitter and FL.
obviously there's some bias from my end here, but that seems evidence of some work. i know white knighting is a thing, but if that's what she was doing i don't think she comes in at the end of it all and says she's still not sure on me and has some questions, while having a pretty developed read on skitter as well.

eh, i suppose it's possible.

that reminds me, Tweet asked why i turned around on her.
i've already talked about why i think you're town, and as i mentioned earlier, the initial scumping was gone after you said you weren't into anime.

[Chara]

that's a lie, the only flavours in coffee are lots of cream good

[Chara]

skitter and tweet both claimed miller

A word on this
In the Booneytoonz game I modded I had like 5 millers in a 15p game
So I think it’s fair to expect a large amount of potential millers given Krazy was my backup mod there, and boon was a reviewer

eighty millers and i don't roll miller? criminal.

[Chara]

IM THE GOOD BABYSIT YES

[Chara]

i mean i'm not sure chara necessarily thought it would blow up as much as it did, and tweetie couldn't really ignore it, being the subject of the whole convo

iirc i wouldn't shut up about Tweet initially, it was the only game-related thought in my empty head

[Chara]

I don’t feel fantastic about the read but I’m thinking Chara is town rn

should've made it clearer mafia miller couldn't be a thing lmfao

everybody shut up i'm going to 1v1 Gamma

Wanna talk about this though
I’ve been pretty hard on myself about that for a while
At a certain point I have to accept there was only so much I could have done
And when I do that the next thought is “Chara definitely didn’t do everything in ITS power to make that go well”

i'm over the game and was just magnifying that ire for humour's sake, has zero to do with my opinion on you as a player.
that said i was literally in the dead thread when that whole thing happened, so what should i have done and why was the onus on me when there were other town in the game besides us two?

[Chara]

Unwnd, Dannfloor, Morning Tweet, Starcrossed, and Chara have scum, possibly multiple.

I stated I town read Starcrossed and to an extent, Unwnd.

Chara I can see being town, but they have been really scummy.

Dann/MT likely has at least 1.

i townread everyone here but Dannflor. FL might be scum.

[Chara]

wait... i misread this post, he TRs starcrossed and unwnd. i guess he's talking about associatives or something? it's too big brain for me.

[Chara]

honestly, my memory of the game has faded a lot by this point re: what i was thinking. but it's possible i did think you knew that and didn't realize it wasn't the case, and i should have been clearer about the impossibility.

[Chara]

i think all of the claims so far have been miller claims.

[Chara]

searching for scum within the Gamma votes feels like it has the same odds as searching for scum outside the Gamma votes.

[Chara]

ok i want to vote all of {rce, auro hydra, chara, starcrossed} and i only have the one vote, it's a problem

VOTE: chara

bad vote
that's the one slot I have sorted out of those and I TR it

i'm not sure i vibe that rn :/

i'm controversial!!!!!!!!!!!

Gamma what prompted the TR, anyway?

also curious why Nancy(?) scumreads me. :< and RCE!

Starcrossed hasn't really been readable yet in my opinion, i am not sure why they're on so many lists. i guess i don't really TR them, but i also don't SR them at all.

[Chara]

searching for scum within the Gamma votes feels like it has the same odds as searching for scum outside the Gamma votes.

Precisely why we're counting you for both groups.

this might be a 2 scum on gamma, 2 scum off gamma tmi

ITS JUST MY OPINION WAAAAAAAH

[Chara]

i have a townlean on you, but i'm kind of annoyed by your read so i don't think you're a slot i'm eager to confidently sort today. as in real today, not Day 1.

[Chara]

i have a townlean on you, but i'm kind of annoyed by your read so i don't think you're a slot i'm eager to confidently sort today. as in real today, not Day 1.

this is to skitter.

Nancy: that's not really an answer about why you have a negative view of my slot currently. :>

[Chara]

I don't understand the statistics of it, tbh.

You said there was about the same odds, but there's only 4 on the wagon of Gamma, and personally, I'm town leaning some of them.

I don't see a world where 1 of MT, Dannflorr, or Chara isn't the fade here today.

i'm not convinced that

statistically

there has to be scum in one of the Gamma voters at all. sure, if you're certain on that and also strongly townread some of them, it makes sense to SR the remainder.
but there's a bunch of reasons scum might see it and not be available/feeling like hopping on, so the initial premise just doesn't seem reliable enough to use, or to have determine the D1 elimination.

[Chara]

Honestly, we're going to be here for days still in Day 1, let's ride it at least 5 days through, then start settling onto one of those 3. If anything major happens, we can switch of course, but I'm going to be watching for big action around that time.

I'm not too worried about misfading on Day 1, tbh. It usually works out in the favor when I misfade because it lets me see who was working me, and in this game, scum are obviously going to try to work me.

scum eliminations on day 1 lose games!
i'm willing to take the hit if it comes to that. </3

[Chara]

it's funny because seeing Tweet's Gamma vote again reminded me it seemed like a scum thing to do when i was wondering if she was scum.
we love hypocrisy, i guess.

in the hypothetical FL has proposed, i'd be voting Dann... i suppose i'm neutral on it.

pedit: but why

[Chara]

Nancy: i don't! but you responded to skitter's SR on me by saying "it was fine", so i assume you had some sort of scumread.

as for the Gamma wagon: no, not particularly. it just doesn't feel like a significant enough occurrence to net useful sorting.

[Chara]

ok i want to vote all of {rce, auro hydra, chara, starcrossed} and i only have the one vote, it's a problem

VOTE: chara

Chara and RCE are all good but you townread Tweetie here?

this one is what prompted the question.

[Chara]

i dunno it just seems so pointless! i think there's decent odds scum has voted me some point this game but it's not a metric i'd use to start looking for scum because they also might not have!

[Chara]

Okay now @Chara, are you seriously going to tell me that all votes on Gamma and me come from town because I’m finding that extremely difficult to believe.

saying i don't think it's worthwhile to specifically search within a certain wagon for scum does not mean i think everyone on that wagon is town.

[Chara]

to add, i don't think the practice of examining a suspicious wagon for scum is a bad one, i'm just not convinced the Gamma wagon would be any more telling than rand because of how early it was in a large game.

as for the Sailors wagon... i'll get back to you.

[Chara]

i dunno it just seems so pointless! i think there's decent odds scum has voted me some point this game but it's not a metric i'd use to start looking for scum because they also might not have!

Gamma might just have been possible opportunism but me is probably because I’m on to something. Probably one scum was on Gamma, otherwise how do you explain the sudden grotesque jump on me?

hmmm. i would only characterize skitter and chkflip's votes as being sudden, the others i think have been sitting there for a while? and skitter mentioned not liking auro's posts earlier, and was voting me previously, so in wondering if she's tunneled on me i think it does make some sense to move to Auro/you.

don't ask me to read chk right now. look at him. :>

[Chara]

Nancy, you know i wouldn't jump on you there as scum either, right? it'd instantly make you SR me.

[Chara]

but only skitter and chk voted you after you pointed that out. at least i'm pretty sure that's right. the other votes were there from before.

[Chara]

skitter i don't know how to tell you this, but all three heads have the same alignment.

[Chara]

but only skitter and chk voted you after you pointed that out. at least i'm pretty sure that's right. the other votes were there from before.

Well unwnd pretty much said he tr Skitter for voting me, so really only CB doesn’t fit that but I’m voting Skitter because she knows this isn’t how I play scum.

okay, i can see the logic re: unwnd.

not convinced about skitter, i don't think this is enough time to reliably figure out you're town this game.

pedit: i know skitter, but saying you scumread Auro and not Nancy doesn't directly address Nancy's assertion that she doesn't think you should be scumreading her here, implying that she thinks you should be townreading her play because it's not her scumplay. i don't think she's saying you said you were scumreading her play.

[Chara]

i don't have a read on u, and i'm ont good at reading you. i'd rather read your slot via reading auro, who i scumread
i never said i had any sort of read on ur head

pedit i know you have the same alignment

lmao my last post was pointless, ignore it.

[Chara]

kind of feeling like townposting all around right now. i'm going to go play Pokemon.

pedit: i don't know, i didn't like it either but i thought how Nancy replied gave some insight into how she came to be feeling attacked, specifically by scum.

with skitter saying she doesn't know how to read Nancy, i am curious as to why Nancy would think skitter would be able to read her, however.

[Chara]

I would like everybody to rank these 6 in order of towniest to scummiest.

• Dannflor
• Catboi
• MT
• Skitter30
• Starcrossed
• Xtoxm

Tweet
skitter
starcrossed
xtoxm
catboi

[Chara]

skitter, couldn't you turn off forum smilies?

[Chara]

.....fuck.

[Chara]

HEY SKITTER COULDNT YOU TURN OFF SMILIES IGNORE PREVIOUS POSTS )))

[Chara]

WAIT ITS JUST THE WAY IT DISPLAYS PER USER NOT HOW IT DISPLAYS FOR EVERYONE IM SUFFERING SO MUCH

pedit: still you are welcome the important thing is we both have them turned off.

[Chara]

You left out Dann

oops. he can go next to xtoxm because i lack reads on both.

[Chara]

guys, i have to go to the orthodontist in an hour or so. i haven't let anyone touch my teeth since i had my wisdom teeth out in a horrific feat of botched dental work.

if i don't come back, i love you all.

[Chara]

FL I wish to give you an olive branch

I think the lim should go between Chara/MT today

Why? Because Chara has put itself in a indefensible position, they have to eat the MT townread at this point because their interaction (even if faked) was such an event that they'd look absolutely foolish going against it. Scum are sometimes trapped by their own words because they have their own liability accounted for. It doesn't really favor Chara to ever change their mind on MT after making such a strong stance, therefore if the consensus is actually true(?) then you either have Chara who was trying to pocket MT or a potential partner/partner interacted that Skitter was trying to insinuate

My own confbias tells me that Chara is town however, and would prefer Tweetie

what about Chara being town and being at least a lityle competent?

[Chara]

No honor needing to be defended

I don't believe in the idea of good players/bad players

Only provided context and outcome of games

i wasn't insulted, i was trying to ask about the scenario where Tweet and i are both town. :>

[Chara]

Um

I kinda feel that isn't the case? Unless I'm just missing something. What do you think about your naysayers (e.g people who expressed you to be scum/willing to lim)?

i know, we have different reads on Tweet.

besides skitter i don't think i've combed through anyone SRing me.

offhand i remember seeing several SRs on me, but i don't know why that is except that FL had expressed the read earlier, and that might have something to do with it.

[Chara]

eh, not really, but thanks for prodding. i'm not totally caught up.

pooky, why am i scum?

[Chara]

pooky do u remember that time we played catboi and he was town? i think he's playing the same way here

do you think this is a good way to read him? he plays in a recognizable way as scum or town?

[Chara]

ok
why have his recent posts been town indicative for him?

i think that catboi might look like surface-level flipbait-y a bit (or kinda? like he's on a different wavelength) but i think he's earnestly trying to sort the game so i townread him

thanks. for whatever reason i liked his post talking about how pooky's read on him didn't feel real. it's possible it's just because it reminded me of the last game i played with the two of them, where kitty was town.

is he usually a little flipbaity? my impression of catboi was that he's making sense but not really in a way that feels towny to me, but depending on the player that thought could be crap.

[Chara]

Back off from catboi. I have a solid TR on him and the pushes on him are crap. My VCA will show him as town on Day 4.

*sees hydra town casing their partner*

*glares*

afsgdjdjkdd i really thought this was Titus

[Chara]

not vanilla.

[Chara]

i'm guessing by that you mean he's acting like this town meta?

i do feel a lot better about him now.
since the game's moving fairly fast, pooky i would still like to know why you scumread me. :>

[Chara]

Back off from catboi. I have a solid TR on him and the pushes on him are crap. My VCA will show him as town on Day 4.

*sees hydra town casing their partner*

*glares*

afsgdjdjkdd i really thought this was Titus

I said it earlier, it's really annoying, the joke alts are fine but that one feels like it's going too far.

Omg, I actually thought that was Titus.

Okay maybe CB is town for this.

catboi is town for being annoyed at the alts that are purposely confusing the game for fun?
(i think they're funny, but, i can understand the thought.)

but this read feels pretty easy. Nancy, if you're town my main problem with your play right now is its lacking the nuanced solving i usually see from you. like, figuring out other players alignments based on one, maybe two actions feels too simple.

if this isn't the case, i'd love to be shown otherwise, it's not like i've read everything in the game, and this feeling is based on maybe... three instances of this, not a comprehensive review of your play.

[Chara]

okay, i'm off.
thanks for the luck everyone <3

i agree with skitter, the vibe in this thread is great and i hope it continues.

[Chara]

no, because when i'm trying to read 30 pages of stuff i don't read names or notice slight differences in pictures. is there seriously not a rule against that? using the alts for memes/joking around is funny but that's a really irritating kind of influence if you're impersonating people AGAIN Hectic. Remember what happened list time...

it is actually in the rules of the setup as written by Krazy that both are allowed to do that, and Hectic does have a vested interest in being confusing.

also, i survived. so nice to be back.

pedit: "Chara is a cool person." - Hopkirk

[Chara]

FL, do you have the miller/ascetic claims as well?

[Chara]

how hard are you townreading me right now? it affects something else i want to ask you

i don't really have a read on you.

[Chara]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

what changed your mind?

pedit: :<
my confidence in my Tweet read is getting more torn up by the second.

[Chara]

i think you were genuinely asking about the ruleset for this game, so i replied with that in mind.
scum theatre didn't occur to me, no.

and yes, it's neutral vibes.

pedit: i won't vote her, i townread her, but the seeming agreement that she's being scummy when i'm not seeing it at all is just making me doubt myself.
besides unwnd's point about her having safe takes, which i could understand.

[Chara]

VOTE: Tweet

i don't like these posts. the first line of 2201 bothers me, and Tweet's read-post reads really... mechanical, not as in mech but as in the matter-of-fact placement of players.

i also don't like how Tweet's framed it, even jokingly like that, as me abandoning my townread on her, when she was previously concerned that my read seemed to be too strong for what it was and that i could be scum. there's what looks like a lot of handwringing, but with the actual list the players at the bottom are the ones she thinks Hectic would have picked, and scumslip. :<

[Chara]

Why would I be more likely to use the phrase "Torn" and put you at the bottom of my list as scum. That is why it's a bad point, it really has no bearing on my alignment and honestly is sort of towny because i stress over word choices as scum but thats a whatever point

if it's not a contradiction, then what is it you were trying to say?

[Chara]

like i don't think the argument is that as scum you just forgot the read. it's that you've said you're torn but your reads on the whole are incredibly straightforward and go with what looks like the majority.

[Chara]

how is this a betrayal, dear Tweet? :>

it doesn't seem like we were ever on the same side.

[Chara]

more seriously, i can't tell how much of it was just having fun regarding the comment about me "dangling you over the cliff", but your very charitable reactions to my early read on you, and then continuing to mention there are town reasons for me to do what i'm doing as you worked around to scumreading me, it all feels very TMI-ish.

[Chara]

Why would I be more likely to use the phrase "Torn" and put you at the bottom of my list as scum. That is why it's a bad point, it really has no bearing on my alignment and honestly is sort of towny because i stress over word choices as scum but thats a whatever point

if it's not a contradiction, then what is it you were trying to say?

I was previously townreading Nancy for nancy stuff but then she goes and does that which seems unreconcilable

I really wasnt stressing over the wording and didnt mean for it to imply that the two cancel each other out and make her null somehow (??)

im a little sad that you're using the reads being consensusy against them, but sure i suppose they are. I think the top 5 or so are pretty solid but beyond that enh

i didn't think they'd make her null.

you mentioned you can see the town thinking if you squint, how did your thoughts get there?

[Chara]

hm. can you talk about your Dann read?

[Chara]

for what it's worth, i don't think missing posts or misremembering posts makes Tweet scum. it's just a thing that happens.

[Chara]

Me? There is no Dann read from what i remember other than he's a plausible pick and there was whatever reasoning earlier

I shouldn't really be playing right now i promise i get back t oyou on that when I can actually help u there. I got sucked into this a lil but im not actually going to give useful takes i dont think

was that not a readlist at the end of that post? just a possible pick list?

but sure, come back later then.

[Chara]

hello Fire. <3

then, Tweet, i'm not understanding where your reads are. but i'd rather talk about this later.

[Chara]

You might get Chara if Dann is scum from wagons Titus her progression on me makes me sad at least

pedit: that is tru too I guess abt venus

its*

i don't get why it makes you

sad

if you also SR me, Tweet.
at all.

i thought your frustration with FL's read on you just now was towny, but i'm kind of annoyed that you're upset and/or joking about betrayed when you think i'm scum to begin with.

[Chara]

"The corruption begins with the mouth,
the tongue, the wanting.
The first poem in the world
is

I want to eat

."
- Erica Jong

[Chara]

how'd you know i was thinking of you when i posted that?

[Chara]

how'd you know i was thinking of you when i posted that?

i didn’t but i DO know that every single time i have ever read that poem i have felt more Seen and Vulnerable than ever before because it’s so. it’s so... points at it. it’s that: it’s so Much for relatively little and i’m obsessed with it :> but if you were i am happy for that TOO

yes, you get it.

[Chara]

I cut open your Adam’s apple
and moistened my fingertips.
It’s not like anyone ever taught me
how to use a fork.

[Chara]

hello. <3

[Chara]

please keep posting these i am going insane

i wish i had more than i do. i haven't developed a habit of saving things i like.

[Chara]

so what i'm hearing is i can focus on poetry and not worry about solving?

[Chara]

I've grown tired of the need
To lift my heavy hands.
What cruelty is it
That I can't bite them off.

Something my jaws know well enough
But my brain can't grasp
Though I retain my fingers.

[Chara]

I could've just been like 'oh nobody will notice that' but I feel like me being like haha claim scum etc made it obvious

I just suck shit at pretending to be scum

wouldn't it be more like pretending to be scummy, rather than pretending to be scum?

either way. :>

[Chara]

does ur hands taste good chara?

salty.

[Chara]

i'm sad unwnd has to die. these are

not

sweet dreams.

[Chara]

the sun is black as sackcloth made of hair.
the stars have fallen to the earth
mountains tearing from the ground.
look at these people hiding from the red rain drops
while earthquakes shake the broken timber of this burning town.
there's poison in the water!
the ocean's blood has turned to slime and gotten hard
all the fish and whales are corpses on the scab.
in the darkness soldiers gnaw their tongues in pain
you see
so help me God, at the end of time they're screaming on their knees!
oh let them die!
oh let them die!

[Chara]

That's only because you want to pocket me more

I see through those red eyes

no faith in me at all. after all i've done for you.

the VT thing being a bluff makes sense, and might be disappointing in another life.

[Chara]

no faith in me at all. after all i've done for you.

I'm still waiting on the haiku!

keys locked inside car
kitkat melting on warmed seats
my despair is cold

[Chara]

art comes from life

[Chara]

i'm behaving in an out of character way as well. it started out having a purpose, but now i just want Ydrasse's attention.

pedit: hi skitter!! good night. sleep tight. let the bedbugs bite.
everyone deserves to eat.

[Chara]

i'm too afraid to post my music taste. i might be scum.

[Chara]

Ydrasse read:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/cwCdShFGjwI[/youtube]

[Chara]

i hate playing on a phone.

<3

[Chara]

Starcrossed:

[Chara]

Morning Tweet:

[Chara]

i see, Fire.

<3

[Chara]

are you a Ludo fan, FL?

[Chara]

that's too bad, because my read on skitter can only be adequately explained by the entirety of the Broken Bride album.

[Chara]

the thread has so much taste.
i love unwnd's reads too.

and i love knowing FL can play that now. the game is a success, everyone go home.

[Chara]

I changed my mind, Chara, I do like them a good amount. Acoustic guitar gets me.

[Chara]

i'm starting to fall for FL too.

Hopkirk, i'm so glad you're joining us!

[Chara]

Confirmed single ball 13:4 town:scum

[Chara]

Multiball? Confirmed Single Ball
Third Party? Confirmed Single Ball

[Chara]

yet another pt ydrasse is excluded from apparently

it's okay, i've also been excluded, though it seems to be by Krazy's whims.

[Chara]

Chara, I got Anything For You down, but I the other one's not gonna be learned for a while because of the ending

i'm still delighted you learned Anything For You!

Ludo is very near and dear to my heart.

is that it, then? scumbear and scumbucket?

[Chara]

i'm not sure what to do with myself here. anyone want a second opinion on something?

i'm thinking Sailors hydra is town.

[Chara]

if i had to say anything... my reads have stagnated as my attention wavered, but the music meme reads have all been genuine. even the skitter one.
so what i'm left with is worry over Morning Tweet. they say the future's out to get you.

but never mind that. how's it going, Tweet? disconnected from the game as well?

[Chara]

you should.

not because i'd want to see it, or anything, but.

[Chara]

i'm not sure about judging the xtoxm wagon on speed, you did call for it, Flavor.
i unfortunately have no read on him, but i'll give Gamma a crack.

[Chara]

i'm also not really convinced on Gamma scum. i don't have any great reasoning, but it just doesn't seem to fit. that's taking Dann into account, and Gamma's recent posts.

pedit: hm.

[Chara]

VOTE: Tweety

[Chara]

what a silly question. we would never concede without Hectic.

[Chara]

the player's Lunar listed, as the scumteam?
it's not funny if i have to explain it. :<

[Chara]

hahahaha.

[Chara]

i don't think i can read Tweet properly, if that list was apparently so towny.
though i recognize it's a bad idea to base that feeling on Tweet's scumread on me including that i'm disconnected with the game right now, when she's also feeling that way and is apparently town. :/

but i don't have a strong reason to SR her. i guess i'm just upset with the state of things.

[Chara]

i don't disagree with her other reads though, i think.

[Chara]

also good luck with everybody's life stuff. apologies for how general this message is, my skim was quick.

[Chara]

thank you both. <3 Ydrasse i care you too

skitter, i'm sorry you're sad. i really am town here. i just had a short scumgame finish, i don't know if it would help but i'll leave that there.

[Chara]

Like if you're town, you are absolutely killing it.

And if you're scum, you're doing a fantastic job considering I essentially came into this game expecting you to be scum based on draft pick alone.

yeah, i get that. i signed up wondering if i'd be a draft pick and expecting it to come up in discussion.

i don't feel like i'm killing it, i'm unhappy with where my focus has been so far. but i appreciate the sentiment, it is rather motivating.