Open 804: Popcorn Mafia Redux [Game Over!]
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VOTE: RLotus
Why is hardly anyone putting out an RVS vote *Thinking Emoji* even if we can't vote someone out? It's never really the point of RVS to vote someone out anyway, so we can look at where people put their votes just like any other game and hopefully get some information out of that. Right now we know one person is town, but I don't think we can ever have two people alive at the same time who we know are both town. There is only one mafia kill for the whole game. We should take advantage of any sources of information we can find because there aren't a lot of the usual ones for us to use.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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I think as long as people are using their votes, we will be able to tell who is thinking what without designing a big official system around it. That might just give the mafia something even more to hide behind, or like you said, an opportunity to take advantage of whatever system we lay out together, since there are so many of them and they will have a significant input. In my opinion, we should pretend like the votes work as normal, just remembering that hammers don't do anything, and it is up to the gunbearer to decide whose opinions and votes to trust and take into consideration. However I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel on this one.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.In post 37, RLotus wrote:
Really? I think saying that you don't want the gun is scummy as opposed to towny, on the surface.In post 36, SirCakez wrote:Norfolk's posting just seemed excessively LAMIST to me
Whemstar who is asking to be shot is LAMIST in my mind.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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I agree, which is why I think we should avoid overthinking and just let the gunbearer have final say and read the room based on what people naturally choose to do. I believe people will most likely use their vote almost as per the usual, as long as the host is keeping track of people's votes. However, if we dwell for too long on it, or have too many detailed posts like yours, Mushshagana, (no offense) then the mafia will have more of an idea of what to do, just as you said.In post 40, WhemeStar wrote:I don't think we should use a voting system.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Is there anything else beside just a bad vibe? Is there another way you can describe what you are seeing?In post 41, WhemeStar wrote:
Why do you townread #28? I am getting scum vibes from it.In post 30, RLotus wrote:Duchess townGotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Well the plan I'm proposing is essentially to...not have a plan. I get why you are seeing that as fluff but I disagree that my posts have not been full of substance.In post 55, WhemeStar wrote:
It looked like a lot of trying to do something but it was just fluff. Im bad at explaining things sorry.In post 54, Duchess wrote:
Is there anything else beside just a bad vibe? Is there another way you can describe what you are seeing?In post 41, WhemeStar wrote:
Why do you townread #28? I am getting scum vibes from it.In post 30, RLotus wrote:Duchess townGotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Mushshagana. I don't have anything against your long-form posts. I was only concerned about having too much of a solidified plan laid out that could interfere with the normal flow of the day. On another note, regarding Whemestar, I believe you look quite trustworthy coming out of your argument, as I myself noticed a lot of what you pointed out about him.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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What do you think of Norfolk now? Has your read on him changed since you said it?In post 90, WhemeStar wrote:Guys I was memeing about shooting Norfolk chill...Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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I think this is the closest you've still gotten to saying a read. Can we expect you to look harder once the game gets rolling a little bit more? Has everyone's posts looked okay to you so far?In post 133, Imperium wrote:Decent chance at least one person in that list is scum just due to the large number of scum this game.
Dunno though.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Sorry, what are you asking me?In post 159, WhemeStar wrote:How do you agree with someone who isn’t voting me and hasn’t called me scum and then vote me?
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Who do you see making that suggestion? Who do you think is scum?In post 160, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I'm not digging ScrewTheTells jumping in and claiming it's suspicious that i'm not posting when it's Sunday night in the UK.
Anyone suggesting a committee or that votes should decide the shot is a scum candidate for me.
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What are you hoping to discuss if not alignment? I see them talking about a past game and about Imperium's level of content. Are you talking about those interactions, or when Imperium shared their read on Dunnstral/STT?In post 163, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I really don't care about who does this (the participants can even do it themselves, I /really/ don't care), but I'd like to get opinions on the Dunn/Imperium interactions in general. There's a couple of them and they have some actual substance to them. I have my own thoughts, but I'd like to see what other people have to say. FTR, I'm not looking for alignment related opinions, just trying to figure out what other people see happening there.
Now that I am looking closer I see that Imperium didn't ask Dunn why he took STT's read personally, even though they said they didn't understand it. This was the first time they said anything substantive about another player, and it seems like a pretty incomplete thought, so I wonder why they did not press Dunnstral any further.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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So far you have had by far the most posts that have made me scratch my head. I agreed with several things Mush said about you, yes. Many of those are reasons for me to scumread you. Why would you assume that Mush and I would come to the same conclusions, or feel the same way about a particular piece of evidence? What makes you so sure that Mush is not scumreading you anyway? She has made it clear that she is not sharing all her reads.
Why would you make this assumption, instead of that I agree with *one thing Mush said*, and formed my own stance based on that? That is just such a convoluted train of thought that I just don't see it coming from a place of honesty. "I assume you are voting me because you agree I'm not scum" is not a reasonable assumption for someone to make. I think you are ignoring the most obvious answers to discredit my vote against you.WhemeStar wrote:I assume the vote on me is because your agreeing with mush’s stance on me when her stance isn’t a scumread on me .Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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I will say though that this sort of illogical emotional reaction reminds me somewhat of Whemestar's suspicion of MUSHSHAGANA. I cannot understand scumreading that slot at all, so it could be that some of Whemestar's logic is being clouded by emotion, or certainly that these stances from Wheme are merely political and come from scum.
Can you actually clarify your read on Mushshagana for me please? I realize I am not sure where you stand now.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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That is fair, but it is still by no means a reasonable assumption to make, and I think you meant it as some kind of a loaded question.In post 311, WhemeStar wrote:
Because you never said otherwise.In post 308, Duchess wrote:. Why would you assume that Mush and I would come to the same conclusions, or feel the same way about a particular piece of evidence? What makes you so sure that Mush is not scumreading you anyway? She has made it clear that she is not sharing all her reads.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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I am working my way through the posts I missed today. If you link me to the post, I can get to that right now if you'd like.In post 309, Imperium wrote:
No, that was more an observation. I don't have a question to ask about that, but I would like you to answer the question I asked you.In post 305, Duchess wrote:Imperium. Care to comment on that?Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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There was nothing on the first page that stood out to me at first. When I saw you and Cakez talking about those posts, I looked at them again and formed an opinion. Can you explain why agreeing with you is scummy behaviour? If there is a discussion that piques my interest, relates to something I have been unsure about, or makes me look back at a post I didn't think significant the first time around, I am bound to give my input whether or not I was party to that discussion. As for my opinion of Whemestar, did you disagree at the time? This was the third page of the game, so of course I will not make any convictions or accusations as strong as those I hope to be capable of making later in the game. Do you think the first few pages of a game can be useful in sorting someone's alignment?In post 168, RLotus wrote:
At first I did think Duchess was towny, but after wheme said the stuff about how Duchess' post was fluffy I kinda saw what he was saying. But, this post is really what freaked me out with them. He directly sheeped the reads I was having at the time which makes them seem disingenuous. Along with the fact that he had all the opportunity to give a read about norfolk but waited until others explained their read of him. With his read on whemestar, I think he was jumping the gun in calling it an act. All he had said at that point was "shoot me" and some nullish things. While saying that you want to be shot is LAMISTy, I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that it is an act based just on that. How Duchess so quickly jumped on that looked very scummy to me. And the way he has focused on Whemestar makes it seem like they are diverting attention away from Norfolk. This association might be a reach, but it feels strange to me anyway.In post 52, Duchess wrote:To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.
Duchess + Norfolk is my best guess right now, not supremely confident in that, but yeah. Duchess being the scummier of the two imo.
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Norfolk Boy has made 4 posts and Whemestar has 46, so your last point about diverting attention definitely does not apply to me. If there is anything diverting attention away from Norfolk, it is Norfolk's own lurking.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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You said he was being LAMIST. That explicitly implies some kind of an act or show or desire to be seen.RLotus wrote:
Agreeing with me is not explicitly scummy no. But the way you did it made it seem like you were jumping onto others' reads instead of forming your own opinions.In post 321, Duchess wrote:Can you explain why agreeing with you is scummy behaviour?
Yeah, I disagreed. Whemestar hadn't said enough in my opinion to warrant the read you gave on him about putting up an act.In post 321, Duchess wrote:As for my opinion of Whemestar, did you disagree at the time? This was the third page of the game, so of course I will not make any convictions or accusations as strong as those I hope to be capable of making later in the game.
To your first point, and to a great deal of the assumptions you made when you voted me, I say that is simply not how the game of mafia works. If everyone ignored everyone else's opinions except to argue, there would be no consensus. If everyone only ever posted about their own original thoughts, there would be no discussion. You have yet to explain why my behaviour in that scenario was scummy, and the post where you voted me reads to me like justification for scumreading me you found after the fact.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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This is a rather liberal interpretation, in my opinion.In post 170, SirCakez wrote:
Another bad Norfolk postIn post 160, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I'm not digging ScrewTheTells jumping in and claiming it's suspicious that i'm not posting when it's Sunday night in the UK.
Anyone suggesting a committee or that votes should decide the shot is a scum candidate for me.
The only confirmed town is Netflix, so Netflix should decide.
They're basically saying don't scumhunt, it's netflix's job.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Are there two players here you feel stronger about than the other two? Can you explain any of these reads or your townreads from the post before?In post 191, Rockhopper wrote:VOTE: ScrewTheTells
VOTE: Norfolk boy
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Norfolk's first post reads to me almost the same as when scum feigns confusion about a Night Kill upon day start. He is overcompensating in his next post in that he ignores the implication that Whemestar is casting suspicion his way, and instead casually replies as if he is known town. He made his first post, 3 people immediately condemned it, he realized how scummy it was, and then tried to throw in a fake townslip to compensate.In post 204, Imperium wrote:
Where did he overcompensate and what was scummy on the surface?In post 52, Duchess wrote:
To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.In post 37, RLotus wrote:
Really? I think saying that you don't want the gun is scummy as opposed to towny, on the surface.In post 36, SirCakez wrote:Norfolk's posting just seemed excessively LAMIST to me
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Several players seem to be appealing to you (to some degree) all at once, if that is what you are talking about. Otherwise I see Imperium keeping people accountable to their Norfolk Boy reads.In post 205, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Albert, Duchess: I'd like your thoughts specifically on the posts between 180 and this post (most likely 205). Do you see what I see? Can you hear what I hear?
I'm not dropping any hints to avoid bias, but it's not information I care about keeping hidden. Either of you can answer openly if you spot it.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Which part do you disagree with; the comparison I made of his first post, or my interpretation of his second?In post 340, Imperium wrote:
I can understand your line of thinking here, sort of, but I don't agree.In post 339, Duchess wrote:
Norfolk's first post reads to me almost the same as when scum feigns confusion about a Night Kill upon day start. He is overcompensating in his next post in that he ignores the implication that Whemestar is casting suspicion his way, and instead casually replies as if he is known town. He made his first post, 3 people immediately condemned it, he realized how scummy it was, and then tried to throw in a fake townslip to compensate.In post 204, Imperium wrote:
Where did he overcompensate and what was scummy on the surface?In post 52, Duchess wrote:
To me Norfolk looks like he is overcompensating for something he did that he knows looks scummy on the surface, so I agree with both of you if that makes any sense. I also agree that Whemestar's eager attitude looks like an act to me.In post 37, RLotus wrote:
Really? I think saying that you don't want the gun is scummy as opposed to towny, on the surface.In post 36, SirCakez wrote:Norfolk's posting just seemed excessively LAMIST to me
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Even then, I do not expect anyone to announce in their Private thread before making their first post in the game.Imperium wrote:
And then there's people like Gypyx in Tenet who are so heavily coached and have their posts approved by their scum team that they escape notice because they don't look anything like they usually look as scum.In post 346, Duchess wrote:I disagree heavily with that take. I am willing to go out on a limb and say that most mafiosi write their own posts.
But I don't think he was saying that he wouldn't be writing his own posts, but that the scum team would probably heavily advise against such an opening.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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The way you explained his first post was much better than how I did, actually.
This is the exact sentiment I was getting at with "feigning confusion about a Night Kill" as an example.In post 344, Imperium wrote:"hey guys oh boy am I glad I didn't get shot don't shoot me haha!!".
On the townslip, we can agree to disagree. You are basically understanding my meaning. I am essentially reading the second post like "I'm not afraid of getting KILLED by the gun, by the way, I only don't want the responsibility".Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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If I had 3 vetoes I would most likely use them on myself or MUSHSHAGANA, I'm not sure if there is another player at this time for whom I would stick my neck out if you decided to shoot them.In post 237, Netflix and Chill wrote:Let’s play a game.
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How do you expect the Godfather's play to differ from the Goons? I know you are trying not to interject more than what is necessary, but I would appreciate if you could answer this whenever possible and to whatever extent you would be comfortable.
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I don't understand what the next step is in this line of thinking. This response was very quick, but I fail to see how it connects to your conclusion.In post 258, RLotus wrote:Well that's not a strong read but it seems like unwnd may be bussingGotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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I like to be precise in my choice of words, yes, but this is true regardless of my alignment or of whether I am playing forum mafia. Do you think Whemestar is town?In post 265, unwnd wrote:As for my reasoning
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unwnd. You say you might have agreed "9 pages ago", but that is roughly when I made that post. The game has indeed progressed since then, as have my thoughts on other players including Whemestar. Have you read the whole game?Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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I don't like this one bit. Cakez seems way too concerned about how his reads are perceived, like he doesn't want to risk knocking over something he has carefully constructed.In post 272, SirCakez wrote:
I agree with this logic (no this is not townreading Imperium)In post 203, Imperium wrote:Voting isn’t going to give the scumteam information that’s dangerous to town any more than using townreads gives the scumteam information.
Vote if you want. Don’t vote if you want.
It doesn’t really matter.
Your playstyle and tone is extremely obnoxious. This is not a read on you but a comment.In post 207, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:[snip]Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Did MUSH say she was suspicious of you because of the length of your posts?In post 295, ScrewTheTells wrote:MUSH: I don't get it, we both write walls, so you think my walls are suspicious even though you also explain your actions in no fewer words? This inconsistency is scummy.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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This seems dishonestly obtuse, much like some of our earlier interactions.In post 286, WhemeStar wrote:Sir cakez why do you not like rockhopper's iso when you agree with his scum reads???Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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UNVOTE: Whemestar
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Next time I am on I would like to put together an ordered list of my reads. There are also a number of questions I've asked that have gone unanswered. Some of the guilty parties have not posted since, but I will be collecting responses by the end of today.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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unwnd. Whemestar has hardly been posting since our last interaction. There are at least two posts I addressed to him on my list of pursuits tonight that he ignored, so I will be following up on those later. Last night I was mainly distracted by my interactions with Mushshagana and Imperium, and this morning I only had a short window of time to finish catching up.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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RLotus. You say I am scummy for saying Whemestar's early play was an act. You yourself said he was being LAMIST. These are the same thing. Please explain yourself.
I have absolutely given original thoughts. If someone has a similar thought to me, I would not simply state my own opinion without trying to collaborate or brainstorm with that person. But to say that I have not given any original thoughts when you are the one who seems to have the biggest problem with them is a scummy push.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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In post 437, RLotus wrote:
Not usually. I never said or thought that you were committed to your reads, if that is what you are implying.In post 335, Duchess wrote:RLotus. How often do you see players of either alignment committing to any reads in their first post?
You do not believe this push. What you are saying does not make sense.In post 172, RLotus wrote:
I'm mainly referring to their first post about how everyone should vote. It looks meant to appear as if they are invested in the game without actually committing to any reads.In post 169, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I haven't seen anyone but you and Wheme talk about Duchess posting fluff. I'm seeing the opposite there. You'll need to explain how it's fluffy.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Where did Mush talk about that post or present any of the same specific thoughts regarding it? I'd like you to show me please.In post 439, RLotus wrote:
Another read on the back of mush.In post 407, Duchess wrote:I don't like this one bit. Cakez seems way too concerned about how his reads are perceived, like he doesn't want to risk knocking over something he has carefully constructed.
Another vague/half hearted read in an attempt to OMGUS. It really just looks like you are pushing where is convenient as opposed to having your own convictions.In post 404, Duchess wrote:I don't understand what the next step is in this line of thinking. This response was very quick, but I fail to see how it connects to your conclusion.
That is not a read at all, I am obviously prompting you to explain yourself. I would still like an explanation as to why unwnd's entry gave you the idea that I am the Godfather?Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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You are missing what I am saying. I saw your explanation. I am not near satisfied. Read my words. You called him LAMIST. I called it an act. These are the same thing. This makes me scummy, and it makes you...?In post 519, RLotus wrote:
I just explained this to youIn post 517, Duchess wrote:RLotus. You say I am scummy for saying Whemestar's early play was an act. You yourself said he was being LAMIST. These are the same thing. Please explain yourself.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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If you had paid attention to the quotes you snipped out, you'd see exactly what I am saying. Your push on me is full of these inconsistencies and outright false claims.In post 521, RLotus wrote:
another empty readIn post 518, Duchess wrote:You do not believe this push. What you are saying does not make sense.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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She didn't mention that post, so you are pushing me on my original thoughts, correct?In post 524, RLotus wrote:
He did not mention that post in particular but he said that he scum reads cakez. And then you come in to give a generic uninspired read about cakez, like how you did with every scum read you have given, well except the one on me.In post 522, Duchess wrote:Where did Mush talk about that post or present any of the same specific thoughts regarding it? I'd like you to show me please.
I explained it to netflix when they questioned me about it. It is like you aren't actually trying to evaluate the things I've said but trying to push back on me to defend yourself.In post 522, Duchess wrote:That is not a read at all, I am obviously prompting you to explain yourself. I would still like an explanation as to why unwnd's entry gave you the idea that I am the Godfather?
You said this was a read "on the back of mush". Now you are doubling back and claiming it's still scummy that we both scumread him despite having different reasons, all while claiming that I am piggybacking people's reads without contributing anything of my own? It's like Imperium said, you can't have your cake and eat it too. There are so many logical holes in your read of me that I struggle to see it coming from an honest approach to the game, and rather from a tactical positioning against a potential town leader.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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If that's so then I think that is an incredibly scummy early stance to take on a player with as much LHF potential as Wheme. I also think your incredulity at my disapproval towards your answers is completely overblown.In post 526, RLotus wrote:
These are not the same thing at all. I said that the things that he said are what I would consider LAMIST, but not that he had scummy intentions behind them or that he is being deceitful in some way. You said that he is specifically saying these things as if he is faking something. I seriously doubt that you can't see a difference after I already explained.In post 523, Duchess wrote:You are missing what I am saying. I saw your explanation. I am not near satisfied. Read my words. You called him LAMIST. I called it an act. These are the same thing. This makes me scummy, and it makes you...?Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Apologies, I meant to be here yesterday as it was my day off, but I had something come up. I've mostly read everything to this point, and I'll share some thoughts I've had once I am home. Mush if you're around later I would love to talk about Cakez and Imperium.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Sorry if I missed you, Imperium. I don't know if I have any questions for you at the moment as my townread has only been strengthening. Some of the things I didn't like about your early posting do not rub me the wrong way now within the current game context. I get the impression that you (at least the Tammy half) tend to play according to the momentum of the game, if that makes sense, and the fluffposting really saturated your ISO before you had delivered much in the way of game content (or before you felt you had much to deliver, I suppose). However I do hope that you'll weigh in on what I have to say about Cakez because there are some pretty glaring things I'm seeing now that I've gone back and taken a closer look at your interactions, and I'm wondering how close to the front of your mind those things are, assuming you saw them as well.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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I took your advice and read page 19 through several times without stopping to try and pick at any of the individual posts, and I went back and read their earlier interactions in the same way. Far and away the most glaring issue I have with page 19 in particular is how many times Cakez completely changes his stance while keeping the exact same energy in his push. I know Imperium commented on his moving of the goalposts which I assume is referring to the same habit I'm seeing.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough- Duchess
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Imperium did mention having seen Cakez act similarly as town before, so they might be writing it off as stubbornness, but I don't see how you can completely alter the very foundation of an argument and keep pushing it without even a pause or an acknowledgment that a different road is being explored. I understand how you can see that as stubborn town, or a personality trait (bullheaded, simply refusing to admit when wrong), but it reads to me as if losing the argument has much more significance in Cakez' mind than simply letting a scumread loose, if you catch my drift. The fact too that Cakez, if I am recalling correctly, reignited the argument several times, leads me to believe he may see it as an inevitable 1v1.Gotta frown at some of this stuffThey say that new Duchess don't sound hungry enough - Duchess
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