Open 804: Popcorn Mafia Redux [Game Over!]

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So, Notty told me there was a good chance we'd get the gun, but I don't actually understand the logic behind it. Or whether I should feel offended.

Also mildly curious about the votecounter.

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I also told Notty I was interested in shooting the first poster, but I don't think these bullets work on backup mods.

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Out of respect for my hydra partner, I won't be pulling the trigger on the first gun.

You also wouldn't be my first choice for a shot anyways.

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Hello, Zuko here!

Please proceed like a normal day one. I am just an innocent child.

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Or we can just end it with one gunbearer

I believe the record is two scum killed by one person?

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They shot two but the last was scum malamaramollie iirc

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Heard.

I’m going to break the record.

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Heard.

I’m going to break the record.

Start with me.

I’m not taking volunteers. Play the day.

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NO JOKES

NO FUN

BE SERIOUS SIR!

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If you were scum how would you approach choosing the first gunbearer?

Ninja
Hi Cakez

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If you were scum how would you approach choosing the first gunbearer?

Ninja
Hi Cakez

Wheme this question is for you

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Feel free.

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Feel free.

Realistically the first gunbearer is going to die at some point

After this point town gets to choose all the gunbearers (unless godfather is hit)

So by choosing you they've made it so you'll die at some point

Basically.

Scum has one kill this game but no real reliable way to remove a threat. It’s why NachoSyr got the gun first last time.

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Assuming no secret alts?

You Cakez dunn Norfolk. The former three have seen me in pretty dead on games. Norfolk lost to town me (we were competing day one wagons and he died)

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I mean there’s also the Hydra thing which I suppose you could argue makes us more likely to draw it but meh

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Oh and miltank

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Who I have experience with.

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Assuming no secret alts?

You Cakez dunn Norfolk. The former three have seen me in pretty dead on games. Norfolk lost to town me (we were competing day one wagons and he died)

I’m guessing Norfolk was scum there? Have you seen him as town too if so?

Are you guys planning to step back and watch a bit?

I kinda want to circle back around to the Norfolk experience after I’ve talked to a couple people on their Norfolk points if you guys aren’t going to sit back awhile.

Yes he was scum. I was town. His buddy was pretty committed to my side so couldn’t get over easily.

And yes, I did want to sit back and not cause waves in the water to try and read what’s going on. The minute I start hinting to my actual reads the game moves to be more political. I want some more information go off of first.

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On the one hand unwnd is hard as fuck to read

On the other hand, unwnd plays hard as fuck so I’m excited.

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Not mafia who should I shoot?

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Let’s play a game.

Everyone can save three people who do you save and why?

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You’re not being graded on these lol

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Norfolk I also would like to hear more from you and “but I don’t have the gun” isn’t an excuse!

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Idk I’m gonna have to ask dunn after i shoot him bc you didn’t save him

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I mean it would be on brand

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Who would you save lotus?

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@Lotus- why wheme?

@wheme- why unwnd?

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What in particular from ABR?

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I think if I shoot duchess I die

She flips red though

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What sparked it?

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Well that's not a strong read but it seems like unwnd may be bussing

What makes you think it’s a bus?

Why is unwnd scum?

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I’m not ignoring you Tammy. Lines of questioning and all.

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Do you not think it feels like a quick draw read?

Unwnd, can you elaborate on it some?

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Lmao thanks

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What else do you have for me unwnd?

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What would flipping Norfolk clear up lotus?

@Cakez you can save three people who and why

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Why lotus musha? Who were the other two?

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Lol wheme gets it!

What was the reasoning behind this statement?

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If he's scum then this is just his MO. You can't expect anything else out of him. He's a good shot to where you either start opening up the idea of bussing or he's a townie who becomes worse (no offense) later down the line

If I think about gamestate I'd actually say he makes the best shot reading back my own thoughts lol

I'm interested in hearing more of why you think Norfolk is the best shot here.

Based on what I understand of the setup and what I've seen so far, I disagree pretty heavily.

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MUSHAGANA feels like town/out of their scum range, but I don't know them or how they play. It just feels like this is them as town.

How can you say they're out of their scum range if you don't know how they play?

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Why do you disagree?

It's based on our discussion of how we should approach our first shot with the understanding of how the godfather functions in this setup and what happens should we shoot a goon.

I also am not fond of shooting a player that has admitted to not being a strong player in the early game. Should he be town, we just die and we leave a weaker early game town player in control of the gamestate.

This isn't to say whether I think he's town or not, just that he's not someone I would consider a great first shot.

There may or may not be other things affecting my opinion here.

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Even then, I do not expect anyone to announce in their Private thread before making their first post in the game.

They had 24 hours of discussion before the game started and you don't think that the inexperienced scum ran openings with his more experienced partners?

They actually had longer than that.

I believe it was like a 48 hour day start timer, but an extra 6 hours or so of Syry being online before him opening the thread and confirming the first gunbearer.

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If he's town, you get rid of netflix and you get the day cut short handing the gun to someone who's already stated they lack confidence which is a win win for scum.

Possibly going into night then shooting someone for less information again.

I don't think you're approaching this game genuinely. Like at all at all.

I don't understand the bolded part here.

But my basic thoughts regarding this was that I felt we were being led into a Norfolk shot (this doesn't necessarily mean Norfolk is town). But in the event that he is town, then I agree that we just die and scum gets a win-win because now Norfolk (a low confidence town player) would have the gun and they could potentially manipulate his next shot.

If he were a goon, then scum can immediately try to eliminate another threatening town slot before they gain traction.

If he were a godfather, we just die and then scum choose their next townbearer.

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But basically, us shooting pretty much means we're okay with getting a flip at the expense of a townslot, whether that means we die from shooting a townie/godfather, or we shoot a goon and the mafteam decides to use their kill.

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New game!

everyone stack rank from towniest to scummiest!

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And I don't think that netflix is going to shoot this soon

My partner is actually itching to shoot somebody, and the only thing that would keep me from stopping him right now is you.

I still want to give you a fair shake at getting your thoughts out here. But us shooting here basically means I [we] have accepted that one or both of us could very well die.

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I’ve got a herosolve

But I’m enjoying playing my games first

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This feels like a baby game state to me in that I don't have a lot of reads I feel super comfortable with. I wouldn't mind a Norfolk shot at this point but I think it'd be smarter if you let more posts happen. If you're shooting outside of that then you're seeing things that I'm not.

I'm actually trying to get Notty to shoot outside of Norfolk specifically because I feel like this is what scum wants from us and I'm being indignant.

Also, I don't get the same obvscum feeling everyone else seems to have. Notty has concerns though.

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Also, Notty and I have other shared scumreads so we are probably shooting one of those.

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I’m v disappointed bc I specifically requested Norfolk to do things and I got ignored

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You've scumpinged and townpinged probably in like two posts now since that readlist

I mean, I literally just explained Tammy v Brian dynamics to my partner, so Tammy's posts here made me chuckle a bit. I get it though.

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You've scumpinged and townpinged probably in like two posts now since that readlist

I mean, I literally just explained Tammy v Brian dynamics to my partner, so Tammy's posts here made me chuckle a bit. I get it though.

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We have dynamics?

Maybe I'm just imagining them.

Either way, he should now have an idea of how I treat you in future games.

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It will be hard to convince people to shoot us because we would be a solidly horrible shot.

I think you'd make a great first shot.

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It will be hard to convince people to shoot us because we would be a solidly horrible shot.

I think you'd make a great first shot.

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I told Notty that if we thought you were scum, we should shoot you first. That way if we're wrong, you just get the gun and get to live until you shoot a Godfather/Townie.

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But I feel like I've already implied that we're not shooting you.

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Why does everyone townread Mush?

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I thought you guys wanted to break the record?

Notty wants to break the record.

I agreed to this game so I could lolcat and meme all game, but then scum decided to give him the gun. So now I have to effort.

Like, yesterday I was ignoring this game so I could catch up on Survivor seasons I missed. And I laughed when I saw you post that Nacho was choosing TikTok videos over this game as well.

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I think she is way too brazen to be scum here

I got the impression Mush was fanning the flames of your 1v1 with Tammy.

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I’m not shooting STT lol

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Hold on I’m looking at your iso rn Tammy

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I don’t think I want to shoot Musha either.

Brian and I did discuss shooting Tammycho because it either flips them or gives the gun to two of the players I’d most want to have it

I’m currently wrestling with my stack rank not accounting for me getting the gun and that concerns me a ton.

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That means I don’t have any of the people I could see picking me low enough on it.

Tammy are you still around? Do you think this is a dumb rabbit hole to dig into?

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Not really anymore

I definitely started you guys at the bottom of my list when I saw we got the gun

Who else would give us the gun? Do you think scum would rng it?

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I’m not giving imperium the gun I said we discussed it early in the day

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Cakez had the stack rank closest to ours without us really alluding anything to where we were leaning

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I told Brian during pregame there was like a 0 percent chance the gun went outside the hydrae at game start

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And Dunn it was more a “I think scum them would give us the gun but worst case we give it to a strong team”

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Quiet Rockhopper isn't the gung ho town Rockhopper that I know.

Subject: Newbie 2037 - Game Over

that's cool, i respect that. i think its very much possible that an experienced mafia player can experiment with different playstyles here, in which case metareading them wouldn't be as effective, if that makes any sense.

Don't hang your hat on meta. I'm amazed how much stock is put into it on this site.

Hm

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Tammy did you happen to peruse any of Norfolk’s completed isos? And I know we’re being led to shoot there and I’m not intending on doing it just yet, but there was something pretty glaring in difference between his play here

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It’s weird tho isn’t it? I did find a rockhopper game where he did the same basic thing- flurry of five then got replaced as a VT

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I felt way more confidence in his town games from my glance. So I was concerned about the nervousness.

Who do you think I want to shoot?

Ninja
Idk I still thought they seemed like a godfather

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You and I are taking two very different things from that post

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Idk I just don’t see that excitement of freedom from him this game

Regardless he very clearly is where the game wants me to go presently and I think he’s probably like my third or fourth shot

Ninja-
Nope! I am tentatively townreading both. That’s part of my confusion about why I have the gun

I’m thinking lotus.

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I felt pretty solid on it being scum/scum

Of course I could just make a giant fool out of myself soooo

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I've been informed that we're shooting.

In the event that it's a miss, I just wanted you all to know that I'll be meming in the graveyard.

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Imperium
Cakez
Wheme
Unwnd
Dunn
STT
Notmaf
Musha

Norfolk
Rockhopper
Duchess
Lotus

Someone at the top is being written off too easy though

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We shoot Rlotus

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NOOOOOO