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Titus · Post Post #214 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:38 am

VLA until Sunday

Titus · Post Post #661 (isolation #1) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:08 pm

mastina, why in tarnations am I reading AtE from you regarding who we eliminate? I'm not talking about the hercule defense but the options one through four nonsense.

Time to skim.

Titus · Post Post #687 (isolation #2) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:45 am

I like xtoxm.

I never did finish my skim but I may not.

If LLD is scum, Hercule almost certainly is. I don't see LLD putting down all her credibility on something she doesn't feel will flip scum. If Hercule flips town, LLD's read accuracy will be discounted at best.

Titus · Post Post #734 (isolation #3) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:25 am

LLD, why are you so focused on petty stuff and you overlook A50's TR on me?

Titus · Post Post #761 (isolation #4) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:51 am

In post 752, Hopkirk wrote:so are you saying scum!LLD comes in driving a bus d1 and expects it to go to a lethal or that scum!LLD plans to throw some sus on Herc then start pushing something else? it doesn't feel SvS

I wasn't concluding anything about LLD yet. I only postulated scum!LLD and town Hercule is unlikely. I don't have enough data for predictions.

Titus · Post Post #763 (isolation #5) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:52 am

In post 747, hercule wrote:Titus: let's go ahead and clear LLD since she would never make an early push on town as scum

LLD: yes, yes, correct I would never, despite me just stating that my meta is insane and i change it all the time, you are logical and reasonable

Neither of these posts are what we said though.

Titus · Post Post #771 (isolation #6) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:02 am

In post 764, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 761, Titus wrote:
In post 752, Hopkirk wrote:so are you saying scum!LLD comes in driving a bus d1 and expects it to go to a lethal or that scum!LLD plans to throw some sus on Herc then start pushing something else? it doesn't feel SvS
I wasn't concluding anything about LLD yet. I only postulated scum!LLD and town Hercule is unlikely. I don't have enough data for predictions.
Vote LLD! It'll be good for your record. <3

I'll vote when I'm ready. I don't care about my individual record and there's a lot of time left.

Titus · Post Post #1089 (isolation #7) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:33 am

In post 1087, innocentvillager wrote:it's still possible mastina/lld/hercule/dannflor is just all town lol and we're all dumb

That's where my disengagement leads me, particularly with LLD retreatingish from hercule.

Titus · Post Post #1092 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:50 am

Right now, my reads are based in wagonomics only for the most part minus a skim. I have been VLA most of the game.

Right now, my gut says the worst should be the lim but it is possible I am reading the gamestate wrong. I know my bias is to lim LLD because I am sure hercule is town but LLD's push doesn't feel in bad faith like the superbowl push from Tenet. I'll need to look at that in detail.

VOTE: the worst

Titus · Post Post #1094 (isolation #9) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:59 am

Spoiler: DGB Reads

DGB Gamestate read

hercule (7):

Lady Lambdadelta, Ythan,

OkaPoka,

the worst, Dannflor,

Dunnstral,

Cephrir

Lady Lambdadelta (5):

DrippingGoofball, hercule, Hopkirk,

innocentvillager,

Xtoxm
the worst (2):

jjh927, Winter Flakes

Dannflor (1): mastina
Almost50 (1): Almost50

Not Voting (2):

Titus,

AGar

Titus · Post Post #1096 (isolation #10) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:08 am

Looking to find the start of the Hercule wagon, found Agar's defense of me. That's likely town given his perception of our history.

Titus · Post Post #1097 (isolation #11) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:09 am

In post 1095, OkaPoka wrote:Glitters on names are cool but those are not dgbs reads? Are those your reads?

No. They're DGB's. I am using it as a baseline and comparing to my own research I am doing now.

Titus · Post Post #1101 (isolation #12) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:21 am

Ok. I colored you green because you weren't in the null or scum piles.

I really like IV for scum based on his flop. He was ok sheeping the eliminate mastina's TRs. Now, he's voting LLD.

I kinda like IV, the worst and Dannfloor as scum but that's based on my TvT theory.

VOTE: IV

Explain your flop please.

Titus · Post Post #1104 (isolation #13) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:48 am

I think DGB's game theory makes sense if LLD is scum, so I can't rule it out but I think DGB is pretty town here.

Titus · Post Post #1105 (isolation #14) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:49 am

In post 1103, OkaPoka wrote:@titus you have a couple more mistakes btw im too lazy to edit it for you but if your going to build off a dgb i figured ehhh

I'll check it when I get home then.

Titus · Post Post #1110 (isolation #15) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:54 am

So is Oka null then?

Titus · Post Post #1262 (isolation #16) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:09 pm

I don't like the amount of sheeping LLD on the whole mastina is bad town argument.

Titus · Post Post #1277 (isolation #17) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:42 pm

I'm going to have to read this game soon. :/ Right now, I am pretty sure scum would want to stay away from the T v T without doing anything. Right now, that's what my position is doing now unless I case a better suspect though.

Titus · Post Post #1281 (isolation #18) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:44 pm

In post 1279, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 1277, Titus wrote:I'm going to have to read this game soon. :/ Right now, I am pretty sure scum would want to stay away from the T v T without doing anything. Right now, that's what my position is doing now unless I case a better suspect though.
up here whats the tvt?

Lady and hercule

Titus · Post Post #1283 (isolation #19) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:46 pm

I'm finding hercule is much less researched this game overall

Titus · Post Post #1294 (isolation #20) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:09 pm

In post 1293, DrippingGoofball wrote:The scum isn't helping me wagon LLD.

Why?

Because LLD is loudly pushing town maybe

Titus · Post Post #1401 (isolation #21) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:57 am

Guys, LLD isn't scum either. I see no reason beyond her personality to think she is.

Titus · Post Post #1413 (isolation #22) » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:26 pm

In post 1402, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 1401, Titus wrote:I see no reason beyond her personality to think she is.
beyond her personality...?

Yes. Her personality is to use anger and manipulate in mafia games.

Titus · Post Post #1604 (isolation #23) » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:26 am

Chennisden has some thoughts that I'll be paraphrasing over here. He agrees with me on IV scum and LLD town, so at least that's something.

Titus · Post Post #1607 (isolation #24) » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:30 am

He has weak TRs on Ceph, dann and mastina. Basically, he feels they are town but nothing beyond their scumrange. Jjh is town.

He doesn't like dgb 406/407. I have DGB near locktown. I don't see scum!DGB flailing this hard over a town!LLD elim.

Titus · Post Post #1610 (isolation #25) » Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:35 am

I need to read Dunn to see if IV is bussing or not.

@DGB, Can you run your thoughts supposing Oka is pocketed? Chenn says that's easy to do. Chenn has them as town.

Titus · Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:47 am

In post 1613, OkaPoka wrote:dgb scumreads me so i wouldnt be pocketed @titus

I am asking them to reevaluate. I am aware they scumread you as of the post I am quoting. New information may change a read.

Titus · Post Post #1848 (isolation #27) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:37 am

While I love the wagons for VCA, I still think these are T v T.

Titus · Post Post #1851 (isolation #28) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:26 am

In post 1850, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1848, Titus wrote:While I love the wagons for VCA, I still think these are T v T.
Based on what?

My reads on DGB and LLD.

I feel this has been a group of people moving around from town to town.

LLD fosed Hercule.
Hercule wagon takes.
LLD wagon in response due to her push on someone regarded as town.
DGB lead that charge.
LLD wagon won't take.
Therefore wagon DGB.

We're punishing people who make wagons rather than the scum sheeping and starting up drama.

Titus · Post Post #1896 (isolation #29) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:38 pm

Hi mastina.

It's easy to quote posts and say it's not my town game. You want me wagoned? Vote me. Try yet another wagon on town.

Titus · Post Post #1898 (isolation #30) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:45 pm

In post 1852, innocentvillager wrote:ah i see you are a subscriber to the flanndor theory yes?

I'm not sure mastina's town. Her posts have a lot of words but say nothing. It's particularly true of her increasing FoS of me. She recycles her claim that I'm scum but there's no rationale or reasoning behind that or much of her other reads.

When people want help in reading me, she tries to sell them that an unreadable Titus is a scum!Titus. That's besides the fact that there is enough to get a weak read on me. The fact I have been unreadable is largely due to lack of content and life.

Mastina has used my slow start to keep me in a low bin and not engage with any content of my postings.

So, no. I do not follow Dann's theory.

Titus · Post Post #1899 (isolation #31) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:48 pm

In post 1855, OkaPoka wrote:so titus whatcha going to do about the current "tvt" gamestate then?

This is fair, and something I have harped on myself. I want to make a move, but I want that move to be right because I have been back into tunnel Titus lately because I can't get my townblocks to work together.

So either it's mend LLD and DGB or case someone well enough to get them limmed over the shouting

Titus · Post Post #1901 (isolation #32) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:50 pm

In post 1856, OkaPoka wrote:can i get a quick check from duck/lld/titus/flakes on how much they've read because you guys haven't explicitly engaged with much of the game for various reasons just wondering

I haven't read much of the early game and I decided to fuck it and play via wagonomics

Titus · Post Post #1903 (isolation #33) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:55 pm

So, my question is how do I fix LLD v DGB when LLD is largely checked out...

Hmm

VOTE: the worst

Mastina, help me bus worst.

Titus · Post Post #1947 (isolation #34) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:34 pm

mastina's scum with TW. The moment I ask her to lim a scumread, she backs off the scumread.

Her walls are IioA, especially 1905. Her "content" gives nothing verifiable. She just states someone is scum and then states their actions are scummy. She's trying to create a t v t atmosphere and people like dgb are eating it up.

Mastina and the worst are scums.

Ceph is right about game health though.

Titus · Post Post #1948 (isolation #35) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:35 pm

In post 1945, innocentvillager wrote:don't townread jjh either but for some reason people think he's town?

I am sheeping chennis there for now.

Titus · Post Post #1950 (isolation #36) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:40 pm

You can cheer me on by not voting dgb but voting tw.

Titus · Post Post #1953 (isolation #37) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:46 pm

In post 1952, OkaPoka wrote:meh wagoning ducky sounds boring

Which is better, a boring scumflip or a dramatic townflip? Besides, drama might still happen in the opposition.

Or I could just meme drama.

Titus · Post Post #1956 (isolation #38) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:55 pm

In post 1954, OkaPoka wrote:hmm but what about a dramatic scumflip

That would be tw.

I'm townreading dgb and LLD. So I got no dice for you there.

Titus · Post Post #1959 (isolation #39) » Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:00 pm

In post 1957, OkaPoka wrote:The slow death of the dgb wagon saddens me

If tw flips town, I'll relook at my dgb read. I just really think she's town here.

Titus · Post Post #2029 (isolation #40) » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:49 pm

"Feeble" vote?

What about mastina's opportunistic vote? The worst voting and ditching?

Yet there's a wagon based on the word "feeble" that's a retroactive justification since LLD was already a wagon at the time of the vote.

Titus · Post Post #2031 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:23 pm

In post 2030, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 2029, Titus wrote:"Feeble" vote?

What about mastina's opportunistic vote? The worst voting and ditching?

Yet there's a wagon based on the word "feeble" that's a retroactive justification since LLD was already a wagon at the time of the vote.
The feeble vote is LLD voting for Xtomx. Right here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12572912

I'm aware of what the vote is.

LLD was already wagoned at the time of this vote. Using this vote to justify the wagon is frankly bullshit, even if the vote qualified as feeble and feeble was bad.

The post is just trying to create a justification for a wagon where none exists and to kiss your ass.

Titus · Post Post #2035 (isolation #42) » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:46 pm

In post 2032, Dunnstral wrote:^so why do you think dgb is town?

Earnest belief in a wrong read.

*adds Dunn to scumleans*

Titus · Post Post #2037 (isolation #43) » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:52 pm

For the implication that I shouldn't townread both LLD and DGB.

Titus · Post Post #2039 (isolation #44) » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:57 pm

In post 2038, OkaPoka wrote:what? how is lld involved?

Dunn was literally asking why I townread DGB after I was engaging her on LLD. :/

Titus · Post Post #2041 (isolation #45) » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:09 pm

Can you stop answering for my scumreads? It's very frustrating.

Titus · Post Post #2043 (isolation #46) » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:19 pm

Except you didn't resolve anything but just gave Dunn an answer to hide behind...

Titus · Post Post #2069 (isolation #47) » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:40 am

Hopkirk is probably town.

As for his question, the wagons on everyone have largely been similar people. The wagon on LLD had people come and go too. I think this is because scum are hiding in the less vocal players. Your point though is why VCA doesn't work without flips. It's easy to get tunneled on a bad theory that flips would disprove.

Titus · Post Post #2094 (isolation #48) » Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:40 am

Oh cool A50 is scum. That vote on Hopkirk is really bad.

Titus · Post Post #2140 (isolation #49) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:31 am

In post 2139, Xtoxm wrote:you townread 6 of the 7 slots that have spent significant time on the lld wagon
join us?

I townread a lot of the LLD wagon. That doesn't make you right. I majorly scumread mastina, who is shading me to ensure her wagon goes through on LLD.

For instance, mastina says I haven't reached out to my TRs. I have reached out to DGB. I reached out to OkaPoka. That's how the worst wagon revitalized.

P.S. I think you're town too now.

Titus · Post Post #2141 (isolation #50) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:33 am

In post 2139, Xtoxm wrote:what do you think scum have been doing if lld is town?

Scum are largely in the passive players like the worst and A50. mastina's fighting like hell to get vocal players eliminated because her partners aren't vocal.

Titus · Post Post #2142 (isolation #51) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:37 am

Titus, representing Quick Attack - Town
innocentvillager, representing Class of 2175 - null could be scum or townbeard
mastina, representing Mask Your Worries - scum
AGar, representing Pa-Ni-Nis - null
Hopkirk, representing Team 'Team 'Team' Team' Team - town
Xtoxm, representing Loyal Servants - town
Dannflor, representing Whatever Farm Animal of War - lean town
the worst, representing Daylight Savings Time - scum
Winter Flakes, representing The Four Seasons - lean town
Lady Lambdadelta, representing Mana Crypt - town
Luca Blight hercule, representing Onlyregfans - lean town
OkaPoka, representing Suicide Squad - town
DrippingGoofball, representing The Fakeclaim Processing Department -town
jjh927, representing All your Scummies belong to us - town
Cephrir, representing Maybe the Real Mods... - town
Ythan, representing Half a Good Team Plus Two - null
Almost50, representing Basterd Modding - scum
Dunnstral, representing Perfect Grammar - lean scum

Follow this

Titus · Post Post #2147 (isolation #52) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:25 am

In post 2143, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2141, Titus wrote:
In post 2139, Xtoxm wrote:what do you think scum have been doing if lld is town?
Scum are largely in the passive players like the worst and A50. mastina's fighting like hell to get vocal players eliminated because her partners aren't vocal.
Weren't you the one asking people not to intercept your questioning earlier?

It was to my scumread, giving them a clear answer. That was two town discussing and I jumped in.

Titus · Post Post #2149 (isolation #53) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:26 am

In post 2145, innocentvillager wrote:hmmm. It's not as much as I thought when I was writing it out but it still feels like you have a lot of empty confidence on multiple theories that sort of falls apart if any of them are kind of false

If something does go wrong, I'll reasses. Right now, I have my theory of the game I stand by.

Titus · Post Post #2153 (isolation #54) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:30 am

In post 2150, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2147, Titus wrote:
In post 2143, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2141, Titus wrote:
In post 2139, Xtoxm wrote:what do you think scum have been doing if lld is town?
Scum are largely in the passive players like the worst and A50. mastina's fighting like hell to get vocal players eliminated because her partners aren't vocal.
Weren't you the one asking people not to intercept your questioning earlier?
It was to my scumread, giving them a clear answer. That was two town discussing and I jumped in.
So because you don't scumread them it doesn't matter how you act?

Jjh and xtoxm weren't scumreading each other and neither are scum, so I wasn't interrupting or providing an answer for scum.

Titus · Post Post #2155 (isolation #55) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:31 am

In post 2152, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 2146, Dunnstral wrote:When did it become cool to call me scum this game?
getting cold feet on that fwiw im fine you for the time being

I am a little too. Dunn's follow up makes me put him at null.

Titus · Post Post #2157 (isolation #56) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:34 am

And there goes Dunn posting scummy things again...

Titus · Post Post #2168 (isolation #57) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:27 am

Not really changing sides but I just think LLD is the elimination. I think it's wrong but I don't think spamming it is healthy. I've left my reads.

Titus · Post Post #2175 (isolation #58) » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:53 am

In post 2174, Cephrir wrote:i've reconvinced myself that the scum are just not doing anything as we yeet our strongest asset for no reason but i need her to come prove that opinion right by having some good takes and caring about the game

We're mindmelding.

Titus · Post Post #2307 (isolation #59) » Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:42 pm

I'll catch up tomorrow. I'm too tired tonight. I just drove over 300 miles today.

Titus · Post Post #2416 (isolation #60) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:04 am

LLD, who would be in your block? I'm kinda demotivated too. I feel like I have my reads for today and I would settle for anyone null or below.

Titus · Post Post #2417 (isolation #61) » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:05 am

vote: ythan

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:25 am

In post 2487, jjh927 wrote:If we're gonna do a non-LLD wagon then I'd rather do Titus than someone that Titus is willing to vote

Why is it a problem for you to agree with me? Do you think all of my reads are wrong or is this just you trying to eliminate LLD?

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:35 am

Mastina's reads are full of falsehoods and lies. If I thought they had any sway with town, I would have replied. Can you tell me what specifically was persuasive as I would not like to bog down the game?

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:38 am

In post 2250, mastina wrote:(Btw this is more in line with Titus being a town mediator--it's lower-effort than her normal town mediator, but there is a notable marked difference between her mediating that game and this game.)

I could go on and point out more of the town posting from Titus that game, but basically--I could instantly tell that Titus was town that game from posts like the above. It immediately was her as I know her. Lower-effort than previous eras of Titus, but still very obviously her as town.

This game she isn't that at all.

Mastina quotes a series of posts from another game above this. What she doesn't do is state the difference. It's a long spammy version of meta and hoping people fill in the details.

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:40 am

In post 2250, mastina wrote:This is a statement that is half-true. Scum are largely in the 'passive' players; Titus, the worst's slot, Ythan, and AGar all fit into that category pretty unambiguously. (Oka can potentially fit in there too depending on your view of his actions.) Heck LLD's drop in activity means she's borderline in the group as well.

But the scum are fighting to eliminate, by and large, players who're vocal because they don't have many options in the nonvocal players.

Mastina says my position is a half truth but agrees with what I say. Yet, she tries to expand the pool to fit her SRs.

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:42 am

In post 2250, mastina wrote:A town Titus does not say this, by the way.

Mastina asserts that I would never reasses my reads if proven wrong. That's baseless shade as every player does that. Saying town Titus would never reasses needs proof because it's an outright lie.

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:42 am

In post 2499, Cephrir wrote:the idea that mastina's argument was persuasive to anyone makes me want to vote myself instead

Then why vote me?

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:43 am

In post 2503, jjh927 wrote:Tbf I did ask her about the difference between that specific game and this one and it was spelt out pretty well for me

Where?

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:52 am

In post 2505, Cephrir wrote:i just haven't seen anything from you yet that made me not want to, and that's a short list at this point. if you've got a green PM make it shine.

Me solving the game isn't sufficient? I have plenty to engage on. We have largely agreed but yet you don't have enough to see I am town? Why haven't you engaged my reads? I can't do anything more if you don't engage me.

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:54 am

In post 2135, mastina wrote:
In post 2134, jjh927 wrote:Yo Mastina
Read this game regarding Titus
Are you...trying to prove my point in regards to Titus???

Because that game is immediately obviously Titus-town. It's her towngame immediately and transparently so, and I can point to the town factors that make her town which are utterly absent from this game.

Mastina basically says that there's certain things that made me obvious town but doesn't mention them.

It's another fill in the gaps post by mastina.

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:56 am

Mastina is literally just spamming and hoping you fill in the blanks rather than engage my content, probably because it's right.

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:58 am

Mastina's whole posting is mentioning various factors exist to determine Titus town from Titus scum and that I am not doing those things. It's an outright lie which is why she never details the factors. The closest she comes is quoting posts from another game and leaving people to draw their own conclusions.

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:01 am

In post 2511, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2508, Titus wrote:
In post 2505, Cephrir wrote:i just haven't seen anything from you yet that made me not want to, and that's a short list at this point. if you've got a green PM make it shine.
Me solving the game isn't sufficient? I have plenty to engage on. We have largely agreed but yet you don't have enough to see I am town? Why haven't you engaged my reads? I can't do anything more if you don't engage me.
alright hm

do you still think the worst-slot and dunnstral are scum?

you mentioned a50 was scum because his hopkirk vote was bad. are bad votes unusual from him? what's your a50 manual look like? he *has* disappeared a bit which i don't love.

Yes on the worst, and I am back to null on Dunn. He's done somethings I don't like but I liked his pushback on me. It felt more legit.

I don't really deal with usual posts unless there's a clear personality tell. (Like Bell giving up as scum). The vote on Hopkirk was bad because a)Hopkirk is obvtown and b) it's a prod dodge, which fits what most scum are doing.

Titus · Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:02 am

I'll be back later tonight or tomorrow. More driving to do.

Titus · Post Post #2617 (isolation #75) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:19 am

The sudden chainsaw wagon on me is also very indicative of scum defending a partner.

Mastina A50 TWslot plus one on my wagon plus Ythan

Titus · Post Post #2618 (isolation #76) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:19 am

I think that's one too many, so I may have a townbeard in my SRs

Titus · Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:24 am

Agar has pocketed me. I see no reason for scum!Agar to defend me like this given his perception of me as a player. I don't completely understand it but a scum Agar could easily hide behind the assumption of whatever bad blood he thinks I have to eliminate me first. The only exception I see to this is if I am hard defending a partner, which would require a total reset of the game.

Titus · Post Post #2742 (isolation #78) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:34 pm

If it's between dgb and lld, I'd vote DGB but I don't like either wagon.

Titus · Post Post #2743 (isolation #79) » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:40 pm

In post 2726, OkaPoka wrote:is it mastina? can we cfd mastina?

I'd do this but scum wouldn't regardless of her alignment.

Titus · Post Post #2866 (isolation #80) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:09 am

Is there any chance of a cfd back to Ythan?

I know mastina's out of the question despite her scumclaiming, but that shouldn't mean we resign ourselves to eliminating two skilled town voices.

Titus · Post Post #2867 (isolation #81) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:10 am

In post 2865, Dannflor wrote:the only two people I genuinely scum read atm are [titus, bell]

then there's a nebulous group of people that could be scum but I haven't and don't have the energy to sort them out this phase

I don't really want to compromise

VOTE: titus

I will case this in a few hours

I'm just going to facepalm this...

Titus · Post Post #2880 (isolation #82) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:10 am

If we're talking about people with less game impact, let's forget Hopkirk who obvtowned but go to A50.

Titus · Post Post #2906 (isolation #83) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:39 am

My read on Bell is improving.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:12 am

I think this day is pretty encapsulated by egos not working well with each other. I tried but this day went full circle right to where we started. I miss the old swap mechanics of Team Mafias. Maybe we would have gotten people who work as a team and avoid t v t fights spamming the thread and people like mastina would become quite transparently scum.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:15 am

For the record, I don't feel like this is a toxic game or that a player is toxic, I just feel that people need to be more collaborative if town. Otherwise, we get yelling matches and lurker scum like A50.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:34 am

In post 2923, Dannflor wrote:Titus my main problem with you is you have these seemingly strong reads like LLD!town and the_worst!scum

but I haven't really seen you try to push these reads in any reasonably forceful way. I get not wanting to add noise to the thread but your actions don't seem to line up with what you're saying. Like, you've wound up on the same wagon as Bell, purportedly your strongest scum read. And as someone who self proclaims to pay a lot of attention to VCA, that feels off coming from you.

Bell is not my strongest scumread. mastina has long surpassed that.

I've been trying to derail the LLD wagon since go. I have repeatedly asked for wagons on low impact slots where I feel scum are hiding. That's where my vote has been this entire dsyphase. I have been ineffective but that's due to lack of compromise onto good reads, not due to lack of effort.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:35 am

In post 2931, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2906, Titus wrote:My read on Bell is improving.
Also, where did this come from

Because I can't think it came from Bell directly

It did. Scum!Bell doesn't try at all here. No need for him to.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:36 am

Scum!Bell also comes damn near personality tell level with effort and alignment, which is why Bell showing up here improves the read.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:38 am

In post 2935, innocentvillager wrote:i totally agree with Dann

for Dann it's the lack of pushing given her confidence/hard stances is weird,

ive said this before but ill just add that for me it's also her confidence/hard stances given the lack of substantiation for the kind of player she is (thinking evidence-based player, reassesses a lot, VCA player, excels more in late game)

i've seen titus feel mechanical as both alignments at times tho especially early game, so idk

My fucking God. I pushed LLD town since go. It's why mastina lied about me. I am stopping the LLD wagon.

Titus · Post Post #2991 (isolation #90) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:41 pm

If it comes down to eliminating my townreads, I'm voting with the one willing to claim.

I think it's too late in the day for a cfd too

Titus · Post Post #2996 (isolation #91) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:47 pm

In post 2993, DrippingGoofball wrote:What is cfd?

Chinese fire drill.

In mafia terms, everyone bails onto a third wagon.

Titus · Post Post #2998 (isolation #92) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:50 pm

In post 2992, Dannflor wrote:i don't think whether the elimination target claims or not matters tbh

It's a tiebreaker. All things considered, I would rather have people claim when run up.

So
Townread
Townread that refuses to claim
Scumread
Scumread that refuses to claim

That's my elimination order.

Since it's DGB (Townread) versus LLD (TR who refuses to claim)

My vote now favors LLD

Titus · Post Post #3000 (isolation #93) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:51 pm

In post 2997, DrippingGoofball wrote:I realize saying this isn't good for me, but won't that make the whole day a total waste in terms of information?

We could have done this on page 12.

Absolutely not. Many many counters have sprung up. Ythan obvscum doesn't happen on page 12.

Titus · Post Post #3009 (isolation #94) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:45 pm

@Creature, If LLD is town, can you take another look at Ythan?

Titus · Post Post #3014 (isolation #95) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:10 pm

Yeah I'll be here before deadline

Titus · Post Post #3016 (isolation #96) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:14 pm

VOTE: LLD

Titus · Post Post #3029 (isolation #97) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:25 pm

UNVOTE: LLD

Mastina convinced me to unvote. All the names she shaded in her last post are town.

Titus · Post Post #3030 (isolation #98) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:25 pm

UNVOTE: LLD

Mastina convinced me to unvote. All the names she shaded in her last post are town.

Titus · Post Post #3051 (isolation #99) » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:06 pm

In post 3036, mastina wrote:
In post 3029, Titus wrote:UNVOTE: LLD
Mastina convinced me to unvote. All the names she shaded in her last post are town.
Ah yes, the unvote is totally because of me, and not because it came after implosion listed you as on the wagon so that you can point to that as "proof" that you were on the LLD wagon while reaping the benefits of not actually voting LLD. (Which is to say: making it harder to actually eliminate LLD, but paying lip service for future days where it will look like you were willing to even though it's self-evident that you're not.)

I want an LLD Agar OkaPoka townblock. We need to start uniting as town.

So it makes me uncertain as to what I want. The DGB wagon is more pure too.

Titus · Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:07 pm

Cali baby

Bed for me but I have an alarm. My vote will be cast by 9 AM.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:18 am

In post 3095, innocentvillager wrote:
fake vc
Lady Lambdadelta
(8): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Hopkirk, Ythan, jjh927, innocentvillager, Luca Blight

DrippingGoofball
(7): Dunnstral, Cephrir, OkaPoka, Lady Lambdadelta, Bell, Dannflor, Winter Flakes

Ythan
(2): AGar, Almost50

Not Voting
(1): Titus

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

AGar, A50, Titus, clock is ticking please

Long ramble of Titus thoughts

My initial instinict is this is T v T and scum don't care which is eliminated as judged by A50 sitting on the sidelines. A no lim would work beautifully here as town focuses on T v T again tomorrow. So it really wouldn't matter who I choose here.

It could be scum refusing to bus. LLD's front is just atrocious with mastina and Ythan on it. After Ythan though, it's a pure wagon. DGB's wagon is pure mostly. In the T v S setup, I would have to doubt LLD and Winter. In fact if LLD flips scum, my eyes go straight to Winter.

mastina makes a point of breaking up LLD myself Agar and OkaPoka. I townread all of them, so voting LLD goes really against my self interest.

Then there's the fact DGB is right and someone has to compromise. LLD hasn't claimed. Then again DGB hasn't either now.

I was hoping that as I slept the decision would be made for me and all I would have to do is hammer.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:19 am

In post 3101, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3030, Titus wrote:UNVOTE: LLD

Mastina convinced me to unvote. All the names she shaded in her last post are town.
Titus, did you remember our last game together when you got yeeted for a bad VCA, basically? And chkflip was a kind of sideways counterclaim to mine and you hard read him town?

Horrible reads don't always mean scum. That's the lesson I learned from your fade. When you flipped town, I cried out "hot damnation!!!" because I felt so bad. Maybe mastina's reads seems similarly terrible to you.

It could be but why is she outright lying about my meta? If her reads are horrible, that's a point against voting LLD anyway. Then again T v T

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:23 am

In post 3101, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3030, Titus wrote:UNVOTE: LLD

Mastina convinced me to unvote. All the names she shaded in her last post are town.
Titus, did you remember our last game together when you got yeeted for a bad VCA, basically? And chkflip was a kind of sideways counterclaim to mine and you hard read him town?

Horrible reads don't always mean scum. That's the lesson I learned from your fade. When you flipped town, I cried out "hot damnation!!!" because I felt so bad. Maybe mastina's reads seems similarly terrible to you.

I got yeeted due to EE lying and missing a whole faction. My Hayker read was right but got no traction. All my defenses were right (Nero and BBmolla). I don't defend chkflip if I know an SK is in the game.

Mastina is doing the same thing EE did. What makes her bad town?

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:25 am

In post 3104, DrippingGoofball wrote:The power of putting LLD at E-1 is in your hands.

I won't claim at E-3 but I have never refused to claim, see my sig.

Will you be here until deadline?

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:29 am

That makes sense. Meta is usually garbage minus personality tells (Bell trying). That's because people react to stimuli the same way. Mafia is more about social psychology and sociology than the psychology of the individual anyway.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:31 am

I should have flagged my team...

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:36 am

In post 3059, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Titus, you think I'm town, I'm not claiming for the purposes of not allowing free info to come out in worse case scenario. Nothing I claim will change my outcome, so don't pretend voting me because I won't claim is a standing.

If you think I'm town, vote DGB.

Agar, I think we've found each other as town, so you should vote DGB.

A50, you have experience with me from last game, you've argued as such, you see me as town, you should vote DGB.

I'm just going to keep listing people who have claimed townreads on me and so should be protecting me today.

The problem with this is that I townread DGB too. I have had games where I had the rest of the scumteam right but refused to compromise on one I had wrong, as a result scum never got eliminated.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:37 am

Well not totally true. My one non scumread got eliminated over my objection. Then I was miseliminated for the scum win.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:43 am

In her refusal, LLD all but claimed VT.

Awww such a cute cat.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:46 am

VOTE: LLD

This is more that I can't bring myself to vote DGB. We need an elimination. I have work to prepare for but I'll be in and out for the next hour or so.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:06 am

Once I leave for work, consider my vote locked. My consult could wrap early but do not count on it. I am not rushing it.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:24 am

Why do you hate the DGB wagon less?

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:29 am

We need a secure resolution more than the two hours.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:30 am

I'd like Agar to answer my question though.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:31 am

In post 3124, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 3122, Titus wrote:We need a secure resolution more than the two hours.
Im slow what does this mean

We need a locked in flip more than discussion.

I want Agar to answer my question though. After that, I am good.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:56 am

By the way, Titus v Nancy Drew is in sign ups. If you want to play a game with devious Scum Titus, here's your shot.

Titus · Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 am

In post 3134, innocentvillager wrote:i never understood how that works, what's the point of you posting at all if everyone knows you're scum leader

Mind fuckery. Wifom. To brag about how you can control town. Hunt the masons.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:18 am

I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:43 am

In post 3218, jjh927 wrote:Titus didn't want the LLD wagon or the DGB wagon but didn't do anything else

That's a lie. I pushed my scumreads but no one bit. I compromised on a null read and was promptly counterwagoned. You can see that in my votes. Ineffective doesn't mean I didn't try.

Both wagons were T v T. Scum likely pushed it that way to avoid a Ythan elimination.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:49 am

In post 3226, Cephrir wrote:
In post 3223, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3221, Cephrir wrote:
In post 3208, Titus wrote:I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.
What? How are you not dead?
The babysitter has to die to kill their target
Oh, that's not at all what I thought that role did.

What a bizarre target.

It protects the target if attacked directly. If the babysitter dies, so does their target.

So if a town!babysitter targeted me, then there's two options. One, they are widely TRed and wanted me to die with them. Two, they are heavily TRing me and wanted to protect me.

If it's a scum!babysitter (only possible bc vig), then scum a) wanted to protect me or b) felt that I was accurate enough to be a backup nightkill if they were likely shot. I feel scum b is the least likely.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:51 am

VOTE: mastina

Case me or die. I want to have this out. I may not respond right away but I want you solved. No more vague meta statements. If I am wrong on you, I should be able to see you having genuine logic here, even if wrong.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:08 am

In post 3252, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3212, Dunnstral wrote:NRG squad

Is it possible for babysitter to be a scum-aligned role?
Theoretically speaking, yes. We either have a Vig (90%) or a SK (10%) and thus a Scum!Babysitter is within the boundaries of realm. I somehow think this isn't the case though, because it would mean we have a different protective and they should have been on Dann.. I think.

SK is impossible in team mafia I think.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:25 am

Fuck it.

VOTE: Ythan

We still need that case from Mastina.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:28 am

Toxicity + wagon analysis + no town read.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:33 am

In post 3281, Cephrir wrote:Even in the most hallowed halls of believing vca is a real thing I'm pretty sure you don't get to say "because wagon analysis" with no further thought

I was immediately counterwagoned when Ythan hit 8. LLD and DGB were both town. Wagon analysis makes sense to me that scum jumped to derail the Ythan wagon. I have said it like 10 times.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:58 am

In post 3346, Cephrir wrote:
In post 3339, AGar wrote:I don't fully buy into VCA as the one true way or any of that shit and a lot of folks draw bad conclusions from it, but what do you suggest we do, High Overlord Ceph, he of the bitching and vibing?
Thanks, that was necessary

I suggest we kill jjh and vig ythan

Why do you seem ok with Ythan dying but not ok with limming him?

Also, jjh I get your point. I do need to review the last game we played together and see what went wrong.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:59 am

In post 3355, Cephrir wrote:Ythan has no intention of posting readable content ever. We won't learn much from running him up again. That's a classic vig target.

We learn from his relationships with others.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:06 pm

We eliminate scum. That frees up the vig to shoot more scum.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:34 pm

@Luca, mastina has been promising that case for what feels like weeks now. Of course I expect it.

Second, my vote on Ythan is not a compromise at all. I have reasons to scumread him.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:04 pm

@Luca, mastina changes her mind as often as gravity reverses itself. Rare but it does happen. When it does, she needs evidence. If she's town, I'd have it.

Based on your taking things out of context, I am thinking you might be scum. You most certainly are if mastina is town.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:22 pm

In post 3459, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 3457, Titus wrote:@Luca, mastina changes her mind as often as gravity reverses itself. Rare but it does happen. When it does, she needs evidence. If she's town, I'd have it.

Based on your taking things out of context, I am thinking you might be scum. You most certainly are if mastina is town.
The context being meta? Which makes no sense, given I haven't played with Mastina for years.

EoD and personality. Meta's a tiny fraction.

You come in here and can selectively read whatever's going on to suit your position.

Titus · Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:22 pm

In post 3464, Cephrir wrote:
In post 3460, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3458, Ythan wrote:
In post 3454, Almost50 wrote:P.S. For once I managed to read the next post before I submitted my response. Don't get used to it.
Reading two posts is nothing to brag about in your position.
Can someone (ANYONE) please explain to me what purpose this post is supposed to serve?

@Dunnstral
@Titus
@AGar
@Winter Flakes
@Cephrir
@Bell
@Xtoxm
@jjh927
@mastina
@Hopkirk
@OkaPoka
@innocentvillager
@Luca Blight

Any of you can respond. Thank you
It makes him feel smug and superior, like all his other posts

+1

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:53 am

In post 3479, innocentvillager wrote:im not really sure why people strongly TR'd Hopkirk at all, maybe someone can enlighten me there

Hopkirk doesn't post much compared to the rest of the game, but I just feel he's town when he does post.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:45 am

In post 3486, Luca Blight wrote:Hi Titus

Hi Luca. Let me know when you've read everything.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:39 am

In post 3492, Luca Blight wrote:Is there anything in particular you want me to look at?

My interactions with mastina. When you're caught up with that, you should understand my response. mastina has lowkey shaded me saying the meta doesn't match but without saying what meta. Me wanting a definite response there makes sense if you catch up.

I also want you caught up generally because it makes it hard to talk with you when you're missing even big picture things. When you just selectively popped in, it looks like an agenda. If you are fully caught up, I can engage you to see if that's true or not. It doubly reeks of an agenda if mastina is town because it fuels her wrong play. It triply reeks of an agenda if Ythan is scum because it provides a chainsaw.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:19 am

In post 3531, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 3243, OkaPoka wrote:always town:

okapoka

probably town:

dunn, ceph, xtoxm, hop

lean town:

iv, agar, luca, titus

null:

mastina

scum remnants:

bell, ythan, jjh, flakes, a50

---

however this is not a solve there is 100% at least 1 scum *maybe 2* in my town bins because well, this would be bad scumplay if the scumteam was entirely in my leanscum-probscum categories

I'd swap us, move Ceph and mastina down a tier, and move jjh to lean town. Overall, it's a good list though.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:19 am

A50 goes to null too. Liked him v ythan.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:21 am

In post 2940, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2934, Titus wrote:
In post 2931, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2906, Titus wrote:My read on Bell is improving.
Also, where did this come from

Because I can't think it came from Bell directly
It did. Scum!Bell doesn't try at all here. No need for him to.
Okay, but what points to Bell trying here?

I was severely unimpressed by his catchup posts that even included team reads. And then he made an excuse for "all replacements are gonna be scummy."

This makes me want to rethink Bell too.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:50 am

In post 3553, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 3548, Titus wrote:A50 goes to null too. Liked him v ythan.
u can like a50 but liking him because of vs ythan is going to make me depressed

Why? I don't want sad penguins.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:51 am

In post 3556, Bell wrote:I think it's suspicious he hasn't caught up. I also know that replace outs are statistically more likely to be mafia. So from that perspective, yes I guess I'm scum reading him. Mostly I'm just trying to dig through the rubble.

@Titus why?

Because I was looking for a reason Dann got killed. It could be because obvtown though.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:52 am

In post 3567, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 3564, Titus wrote:
In post 3553, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 3548, Titus wrote:A50 goes to null too. Liked him v ythan.
u can like a50 but liking him because of vs ythan is going to make me depressed
Why? I don't want sad penguins.
a50 was trolling that interaction and being really annoying about it

He was trolling? I am an aspie and take things literally. Where was the trolling I missed.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:56 am

In post 3569, OkaPoka wrote:he was continually speculating on the existence of an sk and getting mad at ythan for trying to explain that an sk was not possible. that was basically the interaction. lots of snide remarks but yeah it was annoying.

That's not really how I read that interaction at all. I read it as A50 pushing for something out of Ythan and Ythan just made noise and insulted A50 throughout.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:04 am

What has Ythan contributed though? What will Ythan contribute?

Jjh has contributions and reassessments. I don't really get why you're voting there.

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:26 pm

@Dunn, why jjh over Ythan?

Titus · Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:58 pm

And where is Ythan's posting now that the wagon on him evaporated? Insulting and being toxic. No solving.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2021 5:28 am

In post 3828, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 3247, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3208, Titus wrote:I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.
Why would you even announce that? What are your thoughts elsewhere?
I also think Titus shouldn't have been so quick to reveal this. It doesn't really do anything to help Town but potentially gives scum useful info, if Titus is Town herself.

This is wrong. It confirms a babysitter is indeed in the game. A babysitter's alignment can be determined by their actions. The longer a babysitter lives as scum, the more associative tells it gives. The longer it lives as town, the more powerful it becomes. Due to its dangerous nature, the babysitter has the power to kill or protect.

If town, it's best used on slots that need sorting. If the babysitter dies, we get a useful flip too. If a kill goes missing, we get a huge alignment hint. This is why I think the babysitter is town. Getting info that a town can claim, thus eliminating a miselimination is good play.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:42 am

In post 3830, Luca Blight wrote:Do you have any thoughts on my updated posts about you and Mastina?

You needed more time and data to determine your read on mastina. That makes sense. We need her case to read her. The fact you seem to have a problem with me wanting to hold her accountable is astonishing.

Mastina's only contributions have been a wrong push on LLD and a wrong push on me. I'm being charitable there.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:43 am

In post 3843, Hopkirk wrote:i was going to say babysitter 100% town until i thought about it and realized point 1 there is probably what a scum babysitter would do when the target is informed unless they had a good reason otherwise so 1 night's worth of targetting is basically not AI as there's only one data point and the motivation is essentially not distinguishable

does this sound right theory?

The longer a babysitter lives. The more readable it is. Yes.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:46 am

Can someone engage me on Ceph? His vote on me came out of left field. We were largely vibing so him getting off Ythan to vote me is off. Particularly with his tone.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:46 am

In post 3846, OkaPoka wrote:I dont think ythan nor a50 would care enough to do svs here

I concur.

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:47 am

@Oka, why should I suppose Ceph is townsiding when from my pov he bailed on scum to vote me at the first opportunity?

Titus · Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:48 am

Also look how pure that Ythan wagon is

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:17 am

I'll look through mastina's case later.

Dunn, I was lifeless. Now I am struggling. People are ignoring my pushes and going after the wrong slots. I have mastina constantly posting garbage of how town are scum and I am trying to prevent a redo of that. I'm trying to be effective here but the early vla really hurt people's assessment of me this game.

What's more frustrating is that everyone's reads, including mastina's, are largely moving towards the correct path. I really don't have Cephrir as lock town and Ythan should be lockscum yesterday. But most of mastina's reads are not horrible.

The biggest problem I have with mastina is she has done nothing but harrass town. While I did skim her case, her big issue was that I was ineffective at getting people to go to Ythan. I couldn't even get reasons.

Mastina again largely just labels my play. She divorces it from context entirely. This is particularly true of the entry posts.

So my question becomes, is this mastina trying to protect Ythan by putting me on the defensive or is this stubborn town mastina?

@mastina, Explain your Ythan read please.

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:18 am

In post 3958, innocentvillager wrote:VOTE: Titus i like this better than jjh at least

And your thoughts on Ythan?

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:18 am

In post 3957, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 3950, mastina wrote:the vig did shoot DGB so my expectations of them aren't tremendously high
how do you know it wasn't a SK?

In post 3958, innocentvillager wrote:VOTE: Titus i like this better than jjh at least

Bookmarking this for later.

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:20 am

In post 3959, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 3939, jjh927 wrote:I know you did just make a gigantic scumcase on Titus but I now chumread her
why? just because mastina posited scum!Titus lied about the babysitter visiting her?

Why would I ever go along with a proposition that gets me limmed at massclaim?

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:23 am

In post 3964, mastina wrote:As it so happens, I agree with your implication of the wagon not being all ten as town players.

It's just that two of them joined at the very end, at the spot we're talking about scum being in.

Yes. The slot that's scum is Ythan. The very wagon I tried to revive and failed.

The Ythan wagon is pure, yet you seem to ignore that.

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:58 am

Interesting spread.

Titus · Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:44 pm

@mastina, If Ythan is town, then I have to go really deep into my bag of tricks and have to postulate Luca scum and that LLD was wagoned as a chainsaw for being right on hercule.

Titus · Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:53 am

In post 4127, mastina wrote:
In post 4126, Titus wrote:@mastina, If Ythan is town, then I have to go really deep into my bag of tricks and have to postulate Luca scum and that LLD was wagoned as a chainsaw for being right on hercule.
I am more sure on Luca being town than I am on Ythan but I do indeed think both are town.

I'm offering Bell for today with the opportunity to sort further later--take it or leave it.

Unlike you to me I'm not going to go "Titus is scum with Bell for refusing to vote there" if you choose not to; I'm not going to wagon you if you refuse; explicitly there's no consequences to you declining, except that it'll mean it's just that much harder to get a scum elimination in on Bell.

I'm literally confused. To believe that Ythan and Luca and I are all town means that all 5 wagons yesterday were on town. It is a conclusion I have trouble getting down with.

Titus · Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:10 pm

Dunn do you have any other thoughts?

Titus · Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:17 pm

In post 4274, OkaPoka wrote:this game is pretty close to poe and afk territory i think

So basically your position is scum are in the afk players?

Titus · Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:51 am

I am thinking scum are not bussing atm. They may not even be distancing. I also need to hard reset this game.

Titus · Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:02 am

I'll ask.

Titus · Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:32 pm

@whoever asked

Chennis is behind on the thread due to school. His read on jjh is stale.

Titus · Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:13 pm

A50 why did you target me?

Titus · Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:15 am

In post 4474, Bell wrote:Protecting Titus for VCA when her VCA isn't even accurate and she's rarely if ever a threat to scum is just trash tier targeting. She is vulnerable to being eliminated as either alignment and is rarely night killed N1 to my knowledge.

There was a streak where I got killed night 1 three times in a row. Overall, I am a streaky player.

Titus · Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:17 am

VOTE: Luca Bright

Titus · Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:43 am

In post 4479, Almost50 wrote:LOL @ the wagons formation:

Ceph is on Bell, Dunn is on Luca, mastina's on Bell, Titus is on Luka, Xtoxm is on Bell, Winter is on Luka, and these are my top 6 TRs in order.

And to top it all, Bell & Luka are cross-voting each other. What can I say?

It's an odd setup that's for sure. I can't get my head around it.

Titus · Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:27 am

In post 4482, Cephrir wrote:doesn't really strike me as odd at all

My null reads are voting Bell, minus Luca who I SR. Luca and mastina should not be voting together unless the theory is Bell and Luca are cross voting. Winter is too inactive. Dunn I waffle on but I TR OkaPoka.

It's an odd state.

Titus · Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:19 am

I am busy the next couple days.

Titus · Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:30 am

In post 652, implosion wrote:
3Three is the only prime which is one less than a perfect square. Any other number which is n² − 1 for some integer n is not prime, since it is (n − 1)(n + 1). This is true for 3 as well (with n = 2), but in this case the smaller factor is 1. If n is greater than 2, both n − 1 and n + 1 are greater than 1 so their product is not prime.

Vote Count 1.3
hercule
(5): Lady Lambdadelta, innocentvillager, Ythan, OkaPoka, the worst

Xtoxm
(2): hercule, Dunnstral

innocentvillager
(2): DrippingGoofball, Almost50

Almost50
(2): Hopkirk, Dannflor

Dannflor
(2): Cephrir, mastina

the worst
(1): jjh927

DrippingGoofball
(1): Xtoxm

Not Voting
(3): Titus, Winter Flakes, AGar

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

In post 777, implosion wrote:
4Karl Popper outlined a tetradic schema to describe the growth of theories and, via generalization, also the emergence of new behaviors and living organisms: (1) problem, (2) tentative theory, (3) (attempted) error-elimination (especially by way of critical discussion), and (4) new problem(s). (See Popper's Objective Knowledge, 1972, revised 1979.)

Vote Count 1.4
hercule
(6): Lady Lambdadelta, Ythan, OkaPoka, the worst, Dannflor, Dunnstral

Lady Lambdadelta
(4): DrippingGoofball, hercule, Hopkirk, innocentvillager

Dannflor
(2): Cephrir, mastina

the worst
(2): jjh927, Winter Flakes

Almost50
(1): Almost50

DrippingGoofball
(1): Xtoxm

Not Voting
(2): Titus, AGar

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

Fos: Hopkirk

Titus · Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:31 am

and IV too

Titus · Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:41 am

I was looking at the start of the LLD wagon and who helped turn it away from Hercule. Your vote stands out because you were on Hercule and switched to LLD.

I haven't got to the rest of the VCA. I'm doing what I can with the time constraints I have.

Titus · Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:28 pm

In post 4593, innocentvillager wrote:okay thanks that's fine, I'll await your full VCs when you have more time

for now I'm just curious why was Hopkirk your first FoS

then 34 seconds later, you decided that I was also suspicious

i just want to know what the gut instinct thought process was there when you first saw those VCs

Looking at the wagon shift from Hercule to LLD. I was looking for the causation of that shift.

Titus · Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:52 am

Jjh iv ythan are the suspects I want to flip today right now. It's unlikely they are all scum together. Bell is a decent compromise.

Titus · Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:44 am

@oka, I'm thinking scum saw Bell v Luca and decided dead goon over dead PR. Not sure there though.

Titus · Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:38 am

I don't mind a jjh wagon but I don't feel comfortable voting with iv. :/

Winter Flakes feels like they're taking advantage of mastina being wrong.

Cephrir gives bad gut vibes, although he doesn't have direct scum ties in my VCA.

Hopkirk is mech town or scum with the announcer role. No point in pushing there until massclaim, which makes Bell suspect.

That leaves voting with mastina or voting her. I feel like she's the townbeard though.

Titus · Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:40 pm

In post 4756, Hopkirk wrote:VOTE: agar

did i not do this yesterday, that's weird

This is an alright vote.

Titus · Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:40 pm

In post 4756, Hopkirk wrote:VOTE: agar

did i not do this yesterday, that's weird

This is an alright vote.

Titus · Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:46 pm

I'm prod dodging. I can't post here tonight. My energy is spent.

Titus · Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:36 pm

I might be depressed.

Don't be surprised if I don't post tomorrow. I'm trying to sort that out.

X post all games.

Titus · Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:25 pm

In post 4855, Hopkirk wrote:Deconstructing Agar’s case.

Claimed checked by an annocing neopolitan.

Not reading the rest.

Titus · Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:27 pm

VOTE: Agar

Wagon totally pure. Not locktowning Agar.

Titus · Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:34 am

Sorry for the prod.

No interest in a mastina wagon.

Titus · Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:47 pm

I want to see the VCs here again.

I have been a bit lifeless in this game so I am not going to take issue with Cephrir pushing me here unless its a partner save. I am concerned that this is a push to save Agar.

I'm going to try and get into this game tomorrow. I prioritized other games, ngl.

Titus · Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:48 pm

In post 5083, Cephrir wrote:this game appears to be a chore to her. why?

Depression here.

Titus · Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:18 am

In post 5164, implosion wrote:
4343 is a repdigit in base 6 (111).

43 is the number of triangles inside the Sri Yantra.

43 is the largest natural number that is not a (original) McNugget number.[5]

Vote Count 3.8
AGar
(3): Hopkirk, Titus, mastina

mastina
(3): OkaPoka, AGar, Bell

Titus
(2): Cephrir, innocentvillager

OkaPoka
(1): Almost50

Winter Flakes
(1): jjh927

jjh927
(1): Winter Flakes

Not Voting
(2): Ythan, Xtoxm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 1:00 AM PST on March 9, in (expired on 2021-03-09 05:00:00).

Looking at this VC I like Bell Agar and IV as last scums. Jjh and winter are likely tvt. Mastina's been pretty town and the wagon on her smells. IV I go back and forth on but it feels like he's been waiting in the wings to vote town.

Titus · Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:27 am

Well Bell and Agar being together is unlikely as that overloads the mastina wagon.

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:24 am

In post 5199, mastina wrote:That projection and hypocrisy are usually scumtells.

They're alignment tells not scumtells. If someone is hypocritical but always favors town, that person isn't likely scum.

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:27 am

In post 5174, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 5172, Titus wrote:IV I go back and forth on but it feels like he's been waiting in the wings to vote town.
id love to hear more about this

the parts you go back and forth on, and why you feel i am "waiting in the wings to vote town"

I've posted a few times about where I thought hmm that post is town. But you consistently jump on the middle of wagons that I townread that makes me real hesitant to vote with you.

I feel like mastina already occupies the slot of townbeard.

If you both are however, that suggests a different formation of votes on a scum wagon. Likely that there was little bussing. Why bus with two townbeards?

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:29 am

In post 5202, mastina wrote:I'd be down for a flashwagon on Bell if anyone else is interested.

I feel better about Agar scum but I get the feeling your only takers are voting Agar anyway.

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:20 am

In post 5209, Cephrir wrote:you think mastina is a townbeard while she's defneding you and pushing agar/bell who you seem to agree are scum????????

am i totally misunderstanding what that term means or something

She was a townbeard earlier when we got a scum lynch. She pushed LLD (conftown) and me (I know I am town). She pushed Bell in opposition to a scum lynch. Bell's positioning, activity and wagon position give me reservations on voting Bell separate from mastina's history.

So yes, I find mastina a townbeard atm.

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:21 am

In post 5208, Cephrir wrote:
In post 5206, Titus wrote:Why bus with two townbeards?
why would scum want to work with two townies who are kind of allied with them? um, like, all of the reasons?

I think there's a break down.

If IV and mastina both consistently push town, scum have little incentive to bus.

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:07 am

In post 5212, Cephrir wrote:i don't know if i see what is so especially heinous about IV's pushes compared to the pushes of, say, me. his voting history is like, LLD, DGB but begrudgingly, you a few times, jjh and ythan, which is pretty similar to my voting history i think

In post 5213, Cephrir wrote:i guess i voted luca's slot more than once idk. it's not like all of those players have even flipped.

True but consensus is that Ythan is town (barring an A50 partnership). DGB and LLD are both town. I'm town.

Jjh is the only questionmark there.

So why did Luca flip when there was plenty of support for town eliminations?

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:09 am

In post 4483, implosion wrote:
3434th Street (Manhattan), a major cross-town street in New York City
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Vote Count 2.9
Luca Blight
(4): Winter Flakes, Dunnstral, OkaPoka, Titus

Bell
(3): Luca Blight, mastina, Cephrir

Almost50
(2): AGar, Ythan

OkaPoka
(2): Hopkirk, Almost50

Titus
(1): innocentvillager

mastina
(1): Bell

Not Voting
(2): jjh927, Xtoxm

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 28, in (expired on 2021-02-28 15:00:00).

Prodding Hopkirk.

In post 4520, implosion wrote:
3535 mm film is the basic film gauge most commonly used for both analog photography and motion pictures.
The minimum age of presidential candidates for election to the United States, Ireland, Russia, Trinidad and Tobago, and Uruguay.
For Social Security in the United States, the 35 highest years of earnings are used to calculate retirement benefits.

Vote Count 2.10 (FINAL)
Luca Blight
(8): Winter Flakes, Dunnstral, OkaPoka, Titus, Almost50, Bell, Cephrir, Luca Blight

Almost50
(2): AGar, Ythan

Bell
(1): mastina

OkaPoka
(1): Hopkirk

Titus
(1): innocentvillager

Not Voting
(2): jjh927, Xtoxm

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to eliminate.

Why does this mash rush happen to vote out Luca after I make my choice?

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:13 am

If the back end is all town (which is the postulation with mastina and IV town), then we should be able to find scum.

Remove Ythan because consensus town. Remove IV and mastina because townbeards.

That leaves Agar, Hopkirk, jjh and xtoxm.

This creates a problem on two fronts. One Hopkirk and Xtoxm are consensus town. That leaves too few scum.

Two, Luca hammering without a buddy on the wagon makes less sense but can still be true.

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:37 am

If we change the postulation to one scum frantically bussing as the wagon took off and Luca hammering to stop discussion, then we get Agar, jjh and the busser which can make sense.

Titus · Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:41 am

In post 777, implosion wrote:
4Karl Popper outlined a tetradic schema to describe the growth of theories and, via generalization, also the emergence of new behaviors and living organisms: (1) problem, (2) tentative theory, (3) (attempted) error-elimination (especially by way of critical discussion), and (4) new problem(s). (See Popper's Objective Knowledge, 1972, revised 1979.)

Vote Count 1.4
hercule
(6): Lady Lambdadelta, Ythan, OkaPoka, the worst, Dannflor, Dunnstral

Lady Lambdadelta
(4): DrippingGoofball, hercule, Hopkirk, innocentvillager

Dannflor
(2): Cephrir, mastina

the worst
(2): jjh927, Winter Flakes

Almost50
(1): Almost50

DrippingGoofball
(1): Xtoxm

Not Voting
(2): Titus, AGar

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

In post 932, implosion wrote:
5Towards the end of the film Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975), the character of King Arthur repeatedly confuses the number five with the number three.

Vote Count 1.5
hercule
(7): Lady Lambdadelta, Ythan, OkaPoka, the worst, Dannflor, Dunnstral, Cephrir

Lady Lambdadelta
(4): DrippingGoofball, hercule, Hopkirk, innocentvillager

the worst
(2): jjh927, Winter Flakes

Dannflor
(1): mastina

Almost50
(1): Almost50

DrippingGoofball
(1): Xtoxm

Not Voting
(2): Titus, AGar

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

If we look at this wagon, with the current theories, then Cephrir would have to be scum as the rest of the hercule wagon is town.

This would also postulate that all the LLD counterwagon was town which is odd given the fact LLD is pushing scum here.