TM 2021 Large Normal 2: Wikipedia Integer Facts (Over)

[OkaPoka]

Somebody, I won't say who, but somebody of good authority has told me that I am indeed first.

pedit: fuck you

[OkaPoka]

once upon a time

okapoka didn't do policy flips

but okapoka is a changed bird
VOTE: innocentvillager

[OkaPoka]

"told ya so" an agar story

also iv its not your fault

[OkaPoka]

me have top sekrit meta read on hercule

ftr my team were briefed on hercule's scum meta and had we flipped xtoxm, hercule would have probably been bye bye, i will say koba gave us some tips on scum!hercule and even though dkkoba was like "he's town", everyone else on the team were like "but u just described his play this game"

no mention of that top sekrit thing in hercules wall so hehehehuehuehuehe

ahem then again the only reason why we wanted to flip hercule was because we thought xtoxm/hercule/mastina was it and i didn't want to push mastina

[OkaPoka]

me have top sekrit meta read on hercule

ftr my team were briefed on hercule's scum meta and had we flipped xtoxm, hercule would have probably been bye bye, i will say koba gave us some tips on scum!hercule and even though dkkoba was like "he's town", everyone else on the team were like "but u just described his play this game"

no mention of that top sekrit thing in hercules wall so hehehehuehuehuehe

ahem then again the only reason why we wanted to flip hercule was because we thought xtoxm/hercule/mastina was it and i didn't want to push mastina

wait you scumread me the whole time???? damn

the thing is if you read my iso that game i kept hinting at a fake townread and it was you lmao xd

but i really wanted to kill xtoxm and you were helping so i made a political choice

[OkaPoka]

world record any% speedrun time we are all gods of the game lets get that dub

hercule i promise u when i made that friendship poster i was townreading you

ceph snowed me though

we should keep an eye out on the warthog

[OkaPoka]

is it wrong that i just wanna vibe this game since my team already lost black flag

[OkaPoka]

can people start posting stuff i don't like

gonna scum claim just for you bb

[OkaPoka]

roll with the shitposts hopkirk its the only way to overcome adversity

you see innocentvillager openwolfing? that should be your role model

[OkaPoka]

me thinks everyone who has posted so far is town because we've clearly been spamming refresh for the past 12 hours so we can start shitposting

[OkaPoka]

i totally didn't stay up a little later than I should've last night because I saw implosion online and thought he might be writing role PMs

i legit thought the same thing and thought we also wouldn't have a confirmation stage considering what happened lmao

[OkaPoka]

aint this a glorious reason

VOTE: xtoxm

vibe check anyone

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: xtoxm

bro i'm so sorry you flipped mafia again that sucks.

the vote

[OkaPoka]

sharpest speedrun any% coming

[OkaPoka]

tool s, we are in the hercule v xtoxm war to come

[OkaPoka]

in b4 someone TMI's him and the entire wagon collapses and then we go through multiple cycles of rising and falling wagons that utilize the power of the vibe check but when so many people give bad vibes, the vibe checks get overloaded and then slowly the vibers lose their mental sanity, dragging the day on for extra hundreds of pages as we all collectively mentally degrade into a monke state

[OkaPoka]

I’m turning a new leaf

Vibes are bad

the VIBES dannflor how dare you forsake the VIBES

You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the anti-vibers, not join them. bring balance to the vibes, not leave it in darkness.

[OkaPoka]

I’m turning a new leaf

Vibes are bad

the VIBES dannflor how dare you forsake the VIBES

You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the anti-vibers, not join them. bring balance to the vibes, not leave it in darkness.

From my point of view the vibers are evil!

shed a tear at the second biggest betrayal ive ever experienced

only second to RC betraying me in baton pass

[OkaPoka]

she

[OkaPoka]

just so you're all aware, ive crumbed my role somewhere at this point. it's very subtle so you'll never guess it but i thought you all should know.

was it the mason claim?

masons with okapoka

[OkaPoka]

...did you just quote our mason PT in this thread

looking at our mason pt i think its fine because we didn't out mastina yet

[OkaPoka]

kind of think serious discussion of what to do with prs is bad

also kills the vibe a bit

iv being a lil extra spicy is probably actually a good thing for ~reasons~

[OkaPoka]

i have to admit i don't know what you are referring to in any of those 3 lines

of my 3 lines?

dunn

dunn

vague comment that indicates me acknowledging the fact that you are being spicier and on level 1 that might be scum indicative but on level 2 it might be town indicative

pedit: i know

[OkaPoka]

dumb laugh from me ^

[OkaPoka]

with mastina here the party can finally start

i haven't read that post ftr im a lil busy

[OkaPoka]

Please don't post your read list every page
Please. Nobody cares.

her reads lists are the only way to sort her (mathblade or pooky said something like that)

[OkaPoka]

I’m interested that ceph is reacting adversely to mastina here when mastina had pretty decent scum PoE from early pages last game

i don’t know which indicative it is but it’s probably one of them?

finger gun to head its nai because i recall ceph being grumble to mastina last game and grumble to mastina in doubles mafia

[OkaPoka]

and wait ceph was scum in both those games maybe ugh brb

[OkaPoka]

her n you have some history?

[OkaPoka]

thumb s up i guess you do you

[OkaPoka]

thumb s up i guess you do you

I encourage you to join, though I know you probably won't go for it just based off Mastina being a 0% read magnet.

With that in mind, I point you to Hercule's entrance, which was god awful.

in we gooo baby

i can vibe with this but you need to confess your crush on mastina

VOTE: hercule

[OkaPoka]

the thing is i can see hercule prewriting his entrance idk if that makes him scum but it makes him a nerd

[OkaPoka]

shape ing up like an exact continuation of last game lmfao

[OkaPoka]

of things that could've been prewrote before thread unlock, he could've also definitely had 1 and 2 prewritten, at least 2's ideas could've been pre-thought out and he just had to translate it to words

[OkaPoka]

of things that could've been prewrote before thread unlock, he could've also definitely had 1 and 2 prewritten, at least 2's ideas could've been pre-thought out and he just had to translate it to words

Even if 2 is pre-written, him sayign "i recorded a audio file of my reaction to my role pm" is confirmable that Hercule knows his alignment at the time of writing it, unless you're suggesting he's lying about that.... which would also make him scummy, so I'm not sure where the objection is.

an addendum: ok i missed that vocaroo thing lmao

[OkaPoka]

A few more strategically timed game throws and we can keep this going to 2022

bro what is this post

[OkaPoka]

and wait ceph was scum in both those games maybe ugh brb

oka did you have a followup here? i kind of assumed you were going to look at some ceph meta for more info but you never came back with it

on ceph? no it just meant that you could ignore my anecdote since i was wrong and i had to go

but i can see how my phrasing was poor

[OkaPoka]

oka can you tell me why you are voting hercule?

her cule is a solid wagon and i do want him to talk about his first posts

[OkaPoka]

ok maybe ill ask the more pointed thing im thinking about then: does LLD's gripe with hercule's second post resonate with you and why if so?

forehead take is i agree his posting is a little out there esp his intro posts in hindsight

but lld is tunneling a little deep

i think i want hercule's response more than anything

[OkaPoka]

well i guess maybe the best way to describe my thoughts on hercule:

his first posts feel a lil performative

[OkaPoka]

the thing is the real scumtells i have been given on hercule come after we see more and we can't see more unless we do stuff so yeah

[OkaPoka]

years of ms.net have told me iv will not lurk but only accelerate until he combusts

[OkaPoka]

start with annoyance

and then anger

then depression

finally acceptance

[OkaPoka]

innocent villager

town...?

coming over to #teamvibers?

[OkaPoka]

and darth dannflor has return to the vibeside

[OkaPoka]

they be malding while we be vibing

[OkaPoka]

don't think engaging on this is very healthy

im going to have flashbacks

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: the worst

Stop voting Hercule? Why

[OkaPoka]

Coming over to the duck and leaving the demi before anything really changed is a lil lame

[OkaPoka]

Fed up with spamming refresh i am

Hercule, where thou at

[OkaPoka]

To me hercule feels over the top. I don't know if its the avatar change or what but im getting a little more flavor leaf from him when koba (rip) told me he was more of a hyper nsg

Also hercule, no worries about koba metaing you last game?

[OkaPoka]

The fact that koba could meta you and you said you werent about other people metaing you. Were you just not worried about koba metaing you are what

[OkaPoka]

Rules say no editing perms but uh

Werent afraid*

Pedit: i mean technically you arent wrong lol

[OkaPoka]

And i guess we are back here

VOTE: xtoxm

Dunn is scary readable? now? Idk how to describe it, but he seems more emotive. Tbh i dont know if i just got charismad by the second coming of flavor

[OkaPoka]

I actually

VOTE: the worst

[OkaPoka]

And i guess we are back here

VOTE: xtoxm

Dunn is scary readable? now? Idk how to describe it, but he seems more emotive. Tbh i dont know if i just got charismad by the second coming of flavor

I actually

VOTE: the worst

performative

Hit that swap just for you ):

[OkaPoka]

the thing about a50 is my meta on him is woefully outdated and he has shifted a lot since I last recalled him.

im inclined to let others form an opinion on a50 for me

he is however, an ultimate wild card, ask hectic about how i resolve wildcards

[OkaPoka]

the thing about a50 is my meta on him is woefully outdated and he has shifted a lot since I last recalled him.

im inclined to let others form an opinion on a50 for me

he is however, an ultimate wild card, ask hectic about how i resolve wildcards

dayvig shots?

ground them up and pretend they aren't here and then pray they eat a nightkill before it matters

[OkaPoka]

running away from my problems allows me to pray for a nightkill on me as well and let others figure that one out

[OkaPoka]

didn't want to distract your train of thought / i thought you would have more questions for me

[OkaPoka]

make ing sense of my beliefs usually leads to the person in question having more questions so im kinda just chillin here but if you want anything lmk

[OkaPoka]

sense as in understanding my true utopian beliefs on the perfect game of mafiascum.net and being converted to the one true church of okapoka

[OkaPoka]

not gonna lie im coming up a bit short on reads this game but i think that's fine, it'll come to me eventually

iv town probably im on level 2 right now

hopkirk town again

yeah that's about it for me

everyone else idrk, just a little weird but its probably because this is a semi reroll. i know i feel a lil weird because i feel a weird mix of rejuvenated and burnt u know

[OkaPoka]

to me i guess the best way to describe it is i feel like i just want to chill on the beach rather than building a sandcastle

i don't want to repeat my play last game because as fun as carrying out my vision was, it got very unfun towards the end so i kinda just want to vibe now and follow others you know

especially with the actual scumteam getting revealed and having no actual payoff of flipping, you don't get the same high

its a lot of work and getting trolled in multiple ways is just ehh sometimes vibing can just be better

[OkaPoka]

live to build consensus and a well oiled machine - not sherlock holmes i wished

but now i want to be a retired old chicken

pedit: ythan

[OkaPoka]

I really want some XTOXM content this game and not Auro content. Xtoxm walk us through your range of emotions and thoughts between the game being ruined to now. That's all I wanna hear

>i dont really wanna play v2 maybe i should rep
>nah i should stick it out for my teammates
>eugh the plist tho
>oh town, think its impossible for us to win the event since im pretty sure theres a team that gets 4 town wins if we get 3 wins
>cunts still pushing lies about me from last game
>god this playerlist is fucking garbage
>why do people cry about teammates content being posted in team mafia, you signed up for the wrong fucking game, dipshits

auros game is over and there are

going to be

comically overparaphrased auro posts

for what reason don't you like the plist? what lies are being pushed?

[OkaPoka]

fun stuff

is it me or mastina did you just spend a wall of text defending your reads when iv townleans you? its written well but i mean it doesnt seem relevant?

[OkaPoka]

your vote should be on ducky until he starts quacking

[OkaPoka]

brain no understand

fwiw i think lld and mastina are my top townleans

Big mistake; LLD is almost definitely scum here.

If Alisae and/or chennisden were here (I'm not quite sure who's where in that; Alisae and chennisden are listed as players in Quick Attack but Quick Attack's representative is Titus and Titus isn't listed in the TM list for Quick Attack), e would know where I am coming from in my reads here. And even as Titus, Titus may have memories of what I'm referring to. (Tho that said, if Titus is scum like I fear, she may not corroborate anyway.)

Almost50 can talk to Gamma Emerald to see where I am coming from here, if Gamma remembers.
DGB might know where I'm coming from if it remembers tho I'm not sure it will.
jjh should be able to back me up here, too.

You can ask your teammate Iconeum, IV, where I am coming from and Iconeum with intimate familiarity should know where I'm coming from.
And while PB may not be playing and Xtoxm may have a chance of being rerolled-scum, PB would be able to get where I'm coming from.

the worst should know where I am coming from here (tho given the significant chance he's scum I wouldn't expect him to back me up here).

Heck, while I'll always be surprised if Cephrir supports me and he wasn't there D1 even he might know where I am coming from here. (To a lesser extent, Dunnstral too.)

This is not LLD's towngame.
Nor is it Dannflor's towngame.

When I said I was getting deja vu--I meant it.

was this referring to her scumread on LLD or in general her reads list

[OkaPoka]

*gets IT tech support*

hello am i shadowbanned

is mastina talking about her reads in general or specifically her lld scumread

[OkaPoka]

smart bois place your bets what is mastina talking about in 531

hello do i exist

[OkaPoka]

but guys is my mic muted hello

are you all in a pt and purposely ignoring me

what is mastina talking about

ceph you clearly know

LLD is almost definitely scum here.

my reads here

quote 1 implies its about lld but quote 2 implies its plural hello

[OkaPoka]

your collective acknowledgements of my existence would be very much nice so at least i know im not hallucinating posts

[OkaPoka]

head starting to understand okay this is a singular past game where lld was scum and she's just referring to lld

ducky you are cancelled

[OkaPoka]

gets mod iso just for you ducky

2

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Vote Count 1.2

hercule

(4): Lady Lambdadelta, Dannflor, OkaPoka, innocentvillager

innocentvillager

(2): DrippingGoofball, Ythan

Dannflor

(2): Cephrir, Hopkirk

Xtoxm

(1): hercule

Cephrir

(1): AGar

DrippingGoofball

(1): Xtoxm

Xtoxm

(1): mastina

Not Voting

(6): Titus, the worst, Winter Flakes, jjh927, Almost50, Dunnstral

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

probably accurate ish for dann votes

[OkaPoka]

ducky you are cancelled

i had it coming

what's happening in this game mr. chicken?

pedit: you're the best :*
VOTE: dannflor

dumb things idk

i want you to start quacking ducky im voting you and im not alone!

[OkaPoka]

so ducky are you caught up? what are your takes on this game

[OkaPoka]

much ado about nothing ducky

that is how i describe ur current iso

hold the much

[OkaPoka]

to me ducky when u curse at me it means u care

you should catch up

just skim idk

do you agree with mastina? why? is dann actually scum here? i can vibe with dann so

[OkaPoka]

do also note mastina is voting lld and not dann and is also scumreading you so lmfao

[OkaPoka]

so i was kinda hoping for the worst train of thought but i supposeeeeee

what is ur take on xtoxm postings

whats ur take on dann in ur own words (also how much of dann posts have you read or is it just the selected stuff from mastina)

its light and its a little harsh

pedit: well i assumed you are sheeping mastina and voting dann isn't exactly a sheep on mastina

[OkaPoka]

much thanks if we dont do this lld pls

[OkaPoka]

to become the BoP you must become a viber

[OkaPoka]

see xtoxm called a bunch of us garbage and the australian term for best friend which is pretty much AtE and well i cannot read well into AtE

but ducky you are a soulreader

and xtoxm has a light iso so i thought i could sneakily ease you into reading the rest of the game

[OkaPoka]

sooooo

flakes

any other takes?

[OkaPoka]

what's with the a50 vote dann

[OkaPoka]

see xtoxm called a bunch of us garbage and the australian term for best friend which is pretty much AtE and well i cannot read well into AtE

but ducky you are a soulreader

and xtoxm has a light iso so i thought i could sneakily ease you into reading the rest of the game

I'm kind of at a loss for how to answer this outside of "refer xtoxm's signature"

I need to go soon and I feel like this interaction was not a valuable use of my time :/

wrong questions on my end soz ducky i don't know how to ask good questions to people who haven't read other than "can u read the game"

[OkaPoka]

with regards to bop

has a BoP ever been legitimately carried out? genuinely curious lol

[OkaPoka]

taking up a BoP offer seems like a bad idea? just sheep if ur going to sheep u know idk

[OkaPoka]

the xtoxm townread seems bold if you only have three townreads

[OkaPoka]

Oka where should I vote?

back to hercule im going

maybe we can see something play out in mastina vs lld that evolves past you suck

VOTE: hercule

[OkaPoka]

streets ahead logic maybe scum are all in the null lurk pile which is why i dont feel anything this game

[OkaPoka]

you'll see me wondering why mastina chooses to vote LLD over dann then especially given most people townread LLD

[OkaPoka]

never tell me mastina doesnt write interesting walls that have a strange addictive quality

i dont think lld being town is a hot take, emotively she seems town enough this game

what are your other takes flakes

[OkaPoka]

know that im feeling a little tired of doing this but ill say it again

raising concerns about someone's read accuracy is anti good vibes and opens a new dynamic that is not fun to untangle

like nobody will want to read a game about how someone thinks someone else is bad at the game

pedit: ok

[OkaPoka]

if dannyboi is town ill be sad

not to say i have him as a townread

but there are so few people this game i vibe with ill be sad

remember the good ol days when there were so many vibers - even if two of em were scum

[OkaPoka]

you should always proofread

if dannyboi is scum

xd

[OkaPoka]

don't really know about LLD but ill ask my team about her i guess to verify

they aren't online but maybe ill get some responses about general LLD stuff tmr

[OkaPoka]

Do you guys think hell is repeating Day 1 of a large over and over again for eternity

go od god i think you've cracked the code doctor!

[OkaPoka]

you'll excuse me as i thought i just made a reference to something but apparently that's not a reference to anything

[OkaPoka]

never would i think id see radiantcowbells again (or maybe radiantcowbells is LLD considering join dates xd)

anyways ive been briefed on LLD by math and pooky -> honestly i want to put her as town because the way they describe her scum play makes it sound like its nearly impossible to beat? i know its also bad to do the same thing i did to ceph last game where i townread him because scum him wouldnt get votes idk. maybe i should delegate my LLD read to my teammates so i can preserve some sense of sanity.

w.r.t hercule, yeah technically i have access to your meta thanks to koba but koba is gone now and i was lazy so rather than reading past games id ask koba for descriptors of your meta

as to if i actually scumread you, idk, more uncategorized? i guess? you haven't really fallen into descriptors of either your town or scum meta i guess. weirdly enough they (koba) did want me to BoP you last game maybe i BoP you this game hehe

you should figure out who you really think is scum and maybe we have a BoP war type beat

also have no idea why ducky sheeped me but at the time i was pretty happy and now i am a little confuzzled he followed through

ugh dgb feels so pocket-y but it was pocket-y last game to me asdfdsf

[OkaPoka]

shine ing stars need to carry me

@lld ok sorry i personally respect RC's play a lot but if there's bad blood that's understandable

[OkaPoka]

im too scared of you dannflor

I just don't think you've seen my scum game before so I'm curious where that comes from exactly

And it feels a little lazy to sheep mastina's PoE when you know first hand from last game that her reads are hit and miss

I don't actually think I'm that hard to read and I'm a little mystified where that idea comes from for you

if u were an easy read people then the deepwolf meme wouldnt exist

but then again that was a cursed scenario

[OkaPoka]

you scumread me ceph? ):

[OkaPoka]

don't think flakes is necessarily town but he's being a lot bolder this game which is... something?

[OkaPoka]

glow up inc i promise ceph

my goals are beyond any mortal's understandings

pedit: i mean i guessssss but performative for flakes (uncrowned) idk if thats actually a scummy thing

[OkaPoka]

hey why ducky over anyone minus mastina in the a50 solve

[OkaPoka]

hey why ducky over anyone minus mastina in the a50 solve

i haven't liked his posts. i guess like, when i say "i don't hate this solve" i half mean "i expected a50 to gun for people i expressly disagree with gunning for" -
winter is a person of interest, he is playing better than last game where i saw him as a necessary miselim on my path to victory and he was just showing up to post terse nothings and i don't entirely know what to make of that yet.
hopkirk and you are both less fun this game. i want to give you time because, well, i like you and am hoping you'll be town and we can play together.
basically i guess you could say that whole list was scumleans for me right now but i'd rather vote someone who actually has votes on them?
i know this post was meandering and probably self contradictory.

that said ducky being not here for a few days was something i probably should have let stop me from voting him right now since it's not going to do much good.

now you know

you have gotten to the part where ducky is not here

what's the next step for you

[OkaPoka]

okay but the way you phrased that whole post sounds like you're trying to set up a dichotomy of "I'm the good-faith player here just trying to understand you LLD and you are the bad-faith player"

like it's very p e r f o r m a t i v e and "does anyone reading this find this behavior to be towny from LLD" is a direct appeal to the crowd that feels more like you're looking for a specific answer than actually trying to get a meta read from anyone

ok well I literally just want input from people, can i get yours?

i feel like i'm being gaslit here: i am trying to find mafia and i'm being accused of not doing anything towny, what else do you expect town to do?

I've played like two games with LLD and she was mafia in both so I don't think anything I say is gonna be based in an amazing meta read

I don't think this approach from her is especially scummy though

I think it's a little odd you haven't considered that maybe she came out of the gate pushing you so hard in order to see what your reaction was. Very generally speaking I'd say it's more likely scum wants concrete reasons to back up their pushes but I wouldn't apply that necessarily to LLD because she's a very good player. But the fact that you're fixed on this, on why LLD pushed you originally feels unproductive and like you should know it would be unproductive.

Like, you haven't commented on much else in this game and as a townie I would expect you to while maybe devoting some attention to LLD, have more thoughts outside of that. Basically, I want to know what you think about literally anything else in this game besides LLD.

I'm suspect of you now not because of anything LLD said originally, but because I think your reaction to pressure here is bad. Like why does it matter that you don't think LLD has good reasoning to be pushing you? Do you think she's scum for it? It almost feels like now you're looking for permission to scum read her for it when you should just do that if you feel like it's scummy.

you're post is interesting but isn't hercule literally voting LLD

[OkaPoka]

Oh, Shirou is saying Okapoka talking about BoP is a bit concerning

an addendum

this is because i said BoP shirou in black flag yeah i know

but also id BoP shirou because shirou is good at town /shrug

[OkaPoka]

all in all tho id never actually seriously BoP someone like LLD or hercule because i haven't played with them enough to know whats up

shirou is different because shirou is someone ive seen be incredibly accurate as town and honestly they bus a lot as scum so /shrug

[OkaPoka]

BoP isn't an actual thing that happens in mafia games

star this yeah i mean thats what i think as well

when i say BoP i really mean blind sheep until lylo and then say lol why you are still alive

[OkaPoka]

get it but also if anyone given person was leading town and not hitting scum you'd flip on them too

[OkaPoka]

i don't know if i would! id probably stop letting them lead town tho.

your experience might differ but the people who get "BoP" usually have a good excuse why they didn't hit scum for x days idk this isn't really game talk anymore lets just consolidate wagons and see what happens

[OkaPoka]

game term for burden of proficiency

basically you tell someone i will blind sheep you and if you don't hit scum you are scum

doesnt ever play out like that but we all like to pretend

[OkaPoka]

on postcounts:

im actively trying to suppress the amount of posting im doing

my goals are quite simply beyond anyone's understanding

[OkaPoka]

go LLD? i mean this game is markedly different because LLD is here and is a warper

[OkaPoka]

play this game is warped

i know i feel like i kinda need to walk on eggshells atm? usually this is the moment where im all free flowy and lol wagoning people but ehh idk if im alone in this feeling

[OkaPoka]

hey then again im probably a lil rusty on playing these type of games whereas last game i was more used to it as i was kinda fresh coming out of the chaos of a dance game

i havent played one of these warped games for like a year so /shrug ill relearn

[OkaPoka]

now i dont want to come off as complaining~ there are many benefits to a game being played like this which is why im voting with LLD

[OkaPoka]

you're not voting with LLD, why?

[OkaPoka]

you're not voting with LLD, why?

a t @ w i n t e r f l a k e s

[OkaPoka]

rock on dannflor i do have an ulterior motive but it simply is beyond human comprehension

to ascend to god hood is to become me and once you have ascended, you just can't come back down

also i kinda just want to see more of this herc lld thing and honestly, im a bit lazy and LLD is a great opportunity to let someone take the reigns and for me to get out the way. do you guys really want to see me post storm this game. or do you want to see me ascend above all mortals.

[OkaPoka]

star for the first person to discover my ritualistic ascension into god hood

if i complete the ritual i will summon Cthulhu and bring down terror upon thy mortal minds

[OkaPoka]

get that bread team im cheering you guys on as i wait patiently for the green ogre Cthulhu to come

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the what? spam @auro on discord for me please i have no idea what he is talking about.

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never would i think id see radiantcowbells again (or maybe radiantcowbells is LLD considering join dates xd)

anyways ive been briefed on LLD by math and pooky -> honestly i want to put her as town because the way they describe her scum play makes it sound like its nearly impossible to beat? i know its also bad to do the same thing i did to ceph last game where i townread him because scum him wouldnt get votes idk. maybe i should delegate my LLD read to my teammates so i can preserve some sense of sanity.

w.r.t hercule, yeah technically i have access to your meta thanks to koba but koba is gone now and i was lazy so rather than reading past games id ask koba for descriptors of your meta

as to if i actually scumread you, idk, more uncategorized? i guess? you haven't really fallen into descriptors of either your town or scum meta i guess. weirdly enough they (koba) did want me to BoP you last game maybe i BoP you this game hehe

you should figure out who you really think is scum and maybe we have a BoP war type beat

also have no idea why ducky sheeped me but at the time i was pretty happy and now i am a little confuzzled he followed through

ugh dgb feels so pocket-y but it was pocket-y last game to me asdfdsf

show this to auro

@xtoxm

if you are still there is he referring to this? this is about LLD but i think its the closest thing?

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star for the first person to discover my ritualistic ascension into god hood

if i complete the ritual i will summon Cthulhu and bring down terror upon thy mortal minds

Wait when did the 4th party eldritch abomination role become normal

on the reset of the game

the spacetime continuum got all fucked up

humanity has initiated its doom, implosion in his mad science experiments with time has doomed us all.

it is only a matter of time... before Cthulhu comes...

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you'll see me wondering why mastina chooses to vote LLD over dann then especially given most people townread LLD

get this quote up ok

well at the time lld didnt look like a viable wagon and dann did so i was wondering why mastina chose to vote lld over dann when dann already had votes on him while lld, did not.

there are implications of what this could mean but i think you get this gist of it

phrased weirdly maybe but i was fishing for a mastina response which she kinda did indirectly /shrug

and maybe mastina is a grand stander, but you know, want her to react in some way i guess

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paid heed also to the fact that contextually at that moment mastina was casing dann a lot more than lld and had dann below lld so basically it felt like something blah blah but we didn't go in that direction

but its all coming back to me now

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so ducky are you caught up? what are your takes on this game

i read page one and the last page and that dannflor post mastina quoted is sending off fireworks in my brain

See this for examples of why worstie is the least-likely to be scum in my scumreads and why I prefer,
VOTE: Dannflor
instead.

and this here is basically what i considered a good enough response even though she didn't actually respond to my shade so i kinda just dropped it and was like whatever

[OkaPoka]

all good on my end now i think, receiving impending auro transmission

[OkaPoka]

he seems to be satisfied with your response.

that is truly the most ominous "thumbs up" of all time

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Glitters on names are cool but those are not dgbs reads? Are those your reads?

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Is that right? Im not on her list. Nor is iv. Sure there are more diffs

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Gold damn it iv is. Ok but im not

[OkaPoka]

only need ~300 more posts before i can summon cthulhu

@titus you have a couple more mistakes btw im too lazy to edit it for you but if your going to build off a dgb i figured ehhh

why are you building off dgb anyway

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you feel a little messy this game titus, do i need to get mathblade to take a deep look at you or can u give me a run down so i dont need to drag the poor man into this mess

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SHOOTING FUCK I RUINED THE RITUAL IGNORE THE ABOVE POST

NEVER EDIT YOUR POSTS

[OkaPoka]

STARS HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL

i think dgb scumreads me ):, you can look through it's iso

[OkaPoka]

break the vows i solemnly swore i have

i can only beg for forgiveness

pls press f for my soul

[OkaPoka]

the gratitude is mine iv thank you bro

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mold of titus' post is that you at one point sheeped LLD on hercule and now you are voting LLD hence the flop

titus i dont think has read the game so /shrug

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mold of titus' post is that you at one point sheeped LLD on hercule and now you are voting LLD hence the flop

titus i dont think has read the game so /shrug

the bit about "sheeping on voting mastina's townreads" doesn't appear to have happened though?

it's a small detail (might be mistaken) but i do recall iv commenting about mastina's read percentages being overconfident

not exactly aligned but i can't remember anything else and i need to go soon

[OkaPoka]

i figured out the demon oka was summoning

a great layered entity of consciousness yes

[OkaPoka]

cool right? only fucked up once and had some really good moments


dont spoil it

[OkaPoka]

place ing the right words at the right time is very difficult

the ritual does require creative liberties and i have taken them when necessary

but my iso must be nearly pure~amidst my mistakes i must continue to repent for my sins

[OkaPoka]

SHOOTING FUCK I RUINED THE RITUAL IGNORE THE ABOVE POST

NEVER EDIT YOUR POSTS

Layers of failure.

and i already made the layer joke xd

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they are making a joke in really poor taste i think? idk~

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say i agree hopkirk is shitposting - which he is.

why would i vote him tho

its more productive to camp out on the hercule/lld dynamic and get the resolution no? hopkirk feels... like bait

besides i think hop is plenty readable and still have him as town

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it is not okay to make RC jokes because clearly LLD really dislikes it, so the flopz thing feels a little incendiary even if it a joke

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*gets out of this thread before it implodes*

just save it for post game man, nobody wants to do this and setting off LLD is going to make this not fun for everyone

lets just drop it and pretend it didnt happen

[OkaPoka]

colder thread please let's just drop this

everyone just logoff

[OkaPoka]

You're going to all hate me but can a chicken just vibe and be a secret puppetmaster trying to have things happen

i have top secret ulterior motives cmon guys trust, and its not just summoning cthulhu

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Bundled are the fates of us

adsfgh mastina makes good points to be honest, but also mastina always makes convincing points when she isn't talking about you

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I'm going to have to read this game soon. :/ Right now, I am pretty sure scum would want to stay away from the T v T without doing anything. Right now, that's what my position is doing now unless I case a better suspect though.

up here whats the tvt?

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now i don't know if i buy the coaching argument because from what koba has told me, hercule has an established scum meta on epicmafia and he is pretty good at it bleh, spf and super are both more known for town play i think as well so the only possible person who would actually be coaching him would probs be joqiza and koba did not inform me on joqiza /shrug

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wait and give me some time to dig up old discord logs

maybe koba gave me more breadcrumbs i can read about because they (koba) did link me a bunch of games and i was too lazy and am too lazy to read and figure out epicmafia's ui (and meta in general)

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'til hercule comes back from wherever he's gone its going to be hard to resolve some stuff

but i did do a refresher and yeah i mean hercule is not slotting into either the koba given meta w.r.t. him being scum or town, where as last game he started out on a townish trajectory but pivoted over to scum with some subtle tells ish

idk

i hoped to see more from hercule before this all came down but it looks like its all coming down

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you guys haven't played with real hercule and neither have i but supposedly i have the best meta on hercule and if we are really debating hercule meta, truth is, we haven't gotten him to a point where he's done something meta AI lol

i just keep praying with my fishing but maybe its time to go to another pond

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get that the points where hercule is significantly different in reaction from last game scum hercule is a good point and possibly +town points

but there are other tells that koba had given me, that are more subtle, that are ai for either town or scum, that have not been entered into yet

like reading hercule from a random person i guess mastina's read works but reading hercule as the guy from epicmafia in the lens of koba, idk we just don't have enough

maybe that's fine to be honest

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older game does suggest that maybe hercule does not know what koba uses for the tell? idk tbh maybe its not even a tell and im overrating the advice of my former teammate and since it happened once im confbiased into needing him to do the tell

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but i will say his town tell wasn't exactly the greatest town tell advice to be honest sometimes i just want to fish

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the thing is where do i cast my line now

iv what are your thoughts on my predicament

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does that make a difference? look how hercule came to vote me, and how when i refused to interact with him in the way he wanted he then decided his vote was really real only THEN.

So? hercule had you in his "not done anything townie" pile. DGB asked him to vote you; he obliged. He then, after voting, continued to try and sort you; he concluded scum.

There is nothing scum in that progression because if you say townies don't vote a nullread they've seen nothing town from when asked to by another player, and later sort the player they're voting as genuinely scum, you're a fucking liar; that behavior is incredibly common especially from players of your generation. Having a "nullread" that you're willing to vote and continue to sort after voting is not scum behavior.

If anything, it's a townie behavior, but even if you disagree, it's definitely null-at-worst. Which is definitely not scum.

Because I too believe his frustration here is completely real. He is GENUINELY upset and frustrated. That's not fake. But his frustration and upset here don't mean shit because the frustration is easily explained by him being upset at how I got to my read, likely because it was right.

This is a reasonable argument in isolation but falls apart when given the context of last game, which I have shown.

hercule, last game, was frustrated and upset at me--I was right on him, and he exploded.

hercule, this game, is frustrated and upset--but the frustration is nothing like the frustration he showed when I was right on him.

If hercule were scum this game, I would expect him to show similar behavior to last game, maybe even worse. (If he were scum twice in a row, and scumread by a player twice in a row for seemingly no reason, I'd expect his blowup to be WORSE the second time, due to the sheer implausibility of getting scum twice, being widely townread twice, only to have one player scumread him and be strong about it.)

Instead, hercule's reaction to the pressure this game is night and day different--the frustration and upsetness is present the same, but what he did is entirely different.

Do you want to address the point that Hercule is flailing about not for being misread but for being caught for the wrong reasons? Because that's become the most convincing point to me right now.

You may hate my posts, but I feel like I've done a VERY damn good job of explaining how hercule this game isn't "caught for the wrong reasons"--when I called hercule's posts slimey last game, his ballistic reaction is what "caught for the wrong reasons" would look like.

His reaction this game is night and day different.

And literally every player who was in last game who doesn't realize the difference was apparently not paying attention that game. Because the contrast between the two is very much evident to me. Did y'all not see the overreaction last game for context for this game? You were players in that game at that point so you SHOULD have read it, and knowing he was scum and having seen it there, know about how different his reaction is here.

meteor

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men like hercule are def good enough to change reactions i agree which is why im sitting on a beautiful fence at the moment

i can see mastina's argument and upon first reading it i mean its a good argument, but all mastina arguments are good arguments upon first read

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beg for forgiveness D:

in all seriousness, mastina i feel like you are trying to make me move to LLD, you know im on the fence now is this really how ur going to try and herd me over, by making me return to monke

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to go above my presence now basically amounts to you wanting me to try and displace LLD as the game warper, inevitably that's going to lead us both to clash real hard because unless we sync up on how we play, and i doubt we will you've just come out of a game where i essentially tag teamed all my pushes and LLD is not exactly the cooperative type, and im going to be forced to essentially park LLD and play you know, politics and i mean the deck is stacked for me

but uhhh yeah what if i didnt

if ur going to scumread me that's okay but making this about presence really feels like you want me to clash LLD and end up voting her

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differ ways of catching up i know but respond to me mastina D:

is this a political play, are you trying to herd me onto LLD

[OkaPoka]

judging by this catchup style... ill have to wait

hi ceph whats up

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by your experience

does mastina dilly dally with political plays or am i veering off into insanity

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the way i'd describe a political play is the willing to compromise on your reads to get an ultimate agenda done

eg: pressuring someone into voting with you, being willing to set aside a scumread to try and convince someone to vote with you, doing stuff that isn't totally pure to get what you really want
faking reads falls into this too ig

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hole goal of mastina seems to be getting LLD, do you think mastina is the type of player to do political things to get LLD deded? if so - is it AI? i feel like she might be doing something political to me but talking about stuff like this tends to be a lil more tinfoily

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in mastina's post she basically says she's marking me as a scumread now because im not presencing which i mean is fair i haven't been posting like last game

its just contextually and timing wise ~ i am suspicious. this is probably the best time to strike LLD and I feel like mastina is trying to get me into posting more and doing my thing and maybe displacing what LLD wants to do, and end up voting LLD

it feels very political and something I would do, im trying to parse if it actually is political and whether that actually means anything AI for her agh mastina please just respond to me ceph doesn't even read your posts

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love the paranoia ur giving off tbh.

I guess the question is whether she's trying to like, let you

buy a townread with an LLD vote.

It's hard to tell if that's really happening (unless I missed something) because her posts are so detached from the now that there's no real time interaction. I guess I would be surprised if she was, as town, doing something like you describe in order to get LLD dead, but I'm not sure I see that as having happened so far. i am, admittedly, skimming her posts.

the bolded part yeah i feel like she might be offering that? i know dgb is basically trying to offer that but dgb was a lil innocuous puppeteer last game as town so its probably not that AI. mastina come talk to me please

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ceph/dann

what's the case on hopkirk

satellite view of the case is hopkirk is inciting bad vibes in the thread and trying to start some shit

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picture i see and why along with me not wanting to put as much effort into the game is that this thread really cannot fit both me and LLD's playstyles. we will clash if we both are trying to force our ways - unless we can sync up our targets. will LLD probably beat my ass? according to pooky and mathblade the answer is yes ill get bent and cry, but that's neither here nor there.

which is why im suspicious of mastina's choice to call out my presence, yes its the obvious thing, but its also like a powder keg. if i start trying to force a townbloc and ram a poe and it doesn't align with LLD, we will inevitably fight and i will probably end up convincing myself to side with mastina. of course mastina can put my mind to rest if she ever chooses to talk to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[OkaPoka]

the catchup is taking too long and she obviously can see my posts

good night maybe ill read up tomorrow

[OkaPoka]

ice d this conversation

i lie everytime

UNVOTE:

so this is all is it? you full well know why im voting hercule, sure he hasn't scumtold but he hasn't towntold and I'm seeing if maybe more pressure could get him to towntell. its not that hard to parse what im saying about the fence.

ill unvote for you if thats what makes you happy but like /shrug coolio whats the next thing you want me to do now mastina

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we both full well know that unvoting hercule means im going to find a wagon to hop on next mastina, we both know that

if i can't fish for a hercules tell then what should i do next hmmm should i vote iv whom i explicitly townread or should i vote ducky who isn't here or should i vote hopkirk whom i also explicitly townread hmm who else can there be what other choice is left hmm

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skate through mastina cmon admit it

its political - my vote on hercule on a dissipating wagon isn't going to lead to his death, if you are going to call it out obviously you want it somewhere else, cmon admit it i just want to be right and then i can figure out if its ai

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is correct @ceph so trying to get my vote off of hercule now rather than before LLD decides on a new target is... also interesting

still don't know if its scummy lmao i just want to be right

i mean mastina if this is about scumhunting i listed out why for scumhunting purposes i was voting hercule, im haven't exactly been mysterious about the fact that i feel pressure on hercule is how i think i can get a crack one way or the other. and even though his reactions sure have been townie, i don't think its enough to make a firm decision. this is not something ive been keeping secret lol

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Dunn if you're around I want to dismantle my own wagon I think, but I need to talk to someone who I have the remotest sense of trust in to decide whether my paranoia is legitimate or not.

It also doesn't hurt my team is in my ear about all of this too so.

getting this quote just for you

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pretty world this is

admittedly most of the time when hercule post my visceral reaction is townleans and i end up walking back on it a few hours later but this is no different, it does look pretty townie

and he unvoted LLD ugh is it mastina, i really can't do mastina

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thin chance maybe idk

it could come from scum agh but it ~feels~ like a townie catchup wall tonally i guess is the best way to describe it

hercule the reason why i wanted to camp on you and stay silent is because if i don't out my reasons to sit on you for the sake of pressure, it looks a lot scarier for you. basically i was fishing for my data and seeing if i could see a meta crack. but like mastina is a butt and lld doesn't really want it so a lot of my purpose has been undermined.

i left and came back because i wanted to explore other things and got bored but LLD seemed like she wanted to play warper and after a bit of remembering, i was like i can do a warper game. part of playing with a warper is making them commit and not letting them back out because giving them that ability to blame the rest of us and is how they would win as scum ehh this goes into theory but yeah.

i seriously thought about the idea of an LLD bus on you for some moments there as well, it was a win win for me trying to force LLD to flip you because of some internal speculation in my discord. but this doesn't really matter anymore and reasons change i guess. i don't even know how comfortable with this theory right now because i still need to figure out if mastina's trying to trick me and if that's ai because she 100% feels more agenda-y and less grandstand-y this game.

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the warper is yeah somebody who bends the gravity the of the game towards themselves and basically is asserting their superiority over everyone as both alignments and turns the game into follow me or be against me. like a polarizer idk its a term i made up because people like to criticize "warpers" by saying they warp the game but I don't think its necessarily a bad thing.

i mean yeah i was okay with saccing you to play the warper game, again you can't beat a scum!warper without holding them accountable and you following a good town!warper is okay, and if a bad town!warper fucks up, you still want to hold them accountable. sorry bud but at one point i was very okay with just saccing you. idk now, the well's been poisioned and LLD doesn't need to commit anymore /shrug its a different world and depends on what people to do

i feel like mastina is acting with a lot more direction this game like she's more active in getting her wants achieved, im paranoid of that because the mastina we just saw was more like trying to stop things from happening but not really super poised to achieve her own flips. this doesn't get the same town credit iv got for changes because this is a more subtle thing. is this scummy though? don't know never seen scum mastina. mathblade wants her dead but mathblade seems to always scumread mastina. maybe? i want her dead, but ehh that's not happening anyways

i don't know what to make of the LLD theory tbh, i don't even know what LLD wants to do and its really impossible to feel out a warper without seeing what they want to do and speculating blah blah, but if LLD is scum the game just opened up for her. oh god if she's scum id be so jealous she's in an incredibly fun position to play.

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real talk im tired of talking about mastina and lld can we focus on something else and not just let the "warper" thing happen

i feel like we'll be in a worse position later if we let the whole game be about them and then they're elimed/nightkilled and we won't know up from down

water's of the world will flow you know what i mean

by nature of gravity figuring those two out and thus everything around them should reveal more about the game

i mean last game if you could figure out what was happening to me and around me you could get a pretty good theory/solve going

i guess i just don't bother with trying to crack all my eggs d1, but that's not fun!

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getting around to playing around warpers basically requires you to get absolutely rolled by a scum one and see multiple games of various degrees of success

i don't know if epicmafia has any warpers, probably do, but longer deadlines amplify the mental toll and effect of warpers

danny boi can relate, well actually most people can its just danny boi was in the games i have learned from

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warm climates are nice

sorry herc ill try to better explain later i gtg now

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like from my perspective, your viewpoint seems more likely to be from a scum agenda that a town agenda because:

- LLD can be town, and you just pin my flip on her
- LLD can be scum, and you just let her elim as many townies as she can before you bus her

pedit: ok

so the way i see it is

couple scenarios

LLD scum, LLD probably wants to be able to powerwolf the game and is highly likely to try and bus for the cred and thus control of the game. esp with her trying to fight mastina, being wrong as scum and how she wants to play it is a death knell. im ok with letting her bus you. if she wants to powerwolf a townie out on d1, incredibly risky imo and from my experience, scum warpers have an inclination to d1 hardbus.

LLD is town,
-if she's town and correct on you, cool lets take it, and based on my teammates reads, she has pretty strong reads. if she's wrong, sure we 'pin' it on her but what that really means is we hold her accountable and then unwarp the game. game is normalized, she can't really complain about people not listening to her.

maybe its lazy, you are probably annoyed that this logic is less about you and more about LLD and my other reason for voting you is also not entirely about your play this game but more of a fisherman's tale, but ehh... i thought maybe this thought process could clarify things even if you are probably going to hate it.

obviously things did not play out the way i expected but that's how i was thinking once upon a time

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you probably think im crazy but basically the last thing you want to allow a warper to do is to blame anyone else but themselves if they miselim because it implodes the game, im just trying to remove the potential shortcomings of a warped game. because it does exist and is painful.


@mod im not voting !

Fixed, just forgot to list you on the line.

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might hopefully be a trap card because otherwise self meta lol

maybe uncrowned is fishing

respect if you are btw

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as it stands i don't know if there is someone i want to vote for lol

maybe if lld wagon was a lil smaller - but at this point id be in danger of putting her on flip territory

i just left hercule and feel okay doing that

i think hop is town

no point in voting ducky

iv is also town

too lazy to make my old dwagon

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well to be honest my old goal of riding the lld train and picking up the pieces after that is gone, so im a lil aimless i suppose

maybe ill try and figure something out idk, my reads are too messy right now and i just don't want to commit to anything because i feel... manipulated? don't know if that's the right word, i just feel like there are ropes attached to my limbs and im getting pulled apart

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swim with the fishes i probably will

VOTE: mastina

/shrug maybe i can see if anyone agrees with me. or mastina can admit she's being political heh

sorry danny

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my apologies but ehh i don't feel great about my thoughts textually but whatever

[OkaPoka]

world's be turning actually

VOTE: a50

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if we're going to start putting stock in
"i'm vla"
"scum"

because mastina said so then eject me out of the airlock and directly into the sun immediately please.

on what im confused where is this coming from

also want to go fishing

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fire away ceph but mastina isn't a bad player

she's demonstrated more than enough solid townplay in my experience, maybe the past is different and i won't get into it but at least in the past two years she's up there.

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how about we just don't take mastina at face value when she displays these percentages

i think most people when they see mastina say x is 90% scum, know what she actually means if you compared it to someone else