[Setup] Load the Deck

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[Setup] Load the Deck

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:45 am

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Load the Deck is an open game for 13 players, created as an update to Stack the Deck. It uses modern role terminology and updates the roles list while maintaining the core pre-game selection mechanic.

Setup

2 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Traitor
10 Townies

Mechanics

Day Start
Role Selections by Mafia
Role Modifications

Role Selection

During pre-game, the Mafia Goons, Mafia Traitor, and Vanilla Townie roles are distributed to the playerlist. The Mafia have 24 hours to select any of the follow modifications to be applied to the team (up to three) assigning which Goon or Traitor gets the additional abilities. For each modification the Mafia select, an additional modification is granted to the town (up to three). Town can then be randomly given new roles, two plus additional roles granted by mafia (up to three for a max of five).

Mafia Additional Abilities

- Roleblocker
- Role Cop
- Jack of All Trades (Alternating Strongman/Ninja)
- Encryptor
- Recruiter (killing Traitor recruits instead, can't go to traitor)

Town Additional Abilities

- Neopolitan
- Jailkeeper
- Follower
- Doctor
- Weak Hider
- Innocent Child (revealed start of Day 1)
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Post Post #2 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:41 am

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I'm okay with a little swing, but honestly if I were to replace something it would be tracker, I just don't know what to replace with.
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Post Post #5 (isolation #2) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:56 am

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Yeah I think Follower may synergize better with potential fakeclaims. Officially made the change. Gives both the Rolecop and Roleblocker multiple plausible fakeclaims.
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Post Post #6 (isolation #3) » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:57 am

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I'll probably queue it up in the open queue at some point to test the concept.
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Post Post #7 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:21 pm

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Made a change to role section after discussing it with Something_Smart. Mafia can now choose who gets what modification instead of it being assigned randomly.
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Post Post #9 (isolation #5) » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:20 am

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Sorry, I realize that I still had the word 'random' in a different sentence and made the correction. Scum get to assign who gets what role and if they want to give the JOAT to the traitor I am fine with that choice even if it is sub-optimal.

Balance is interesting in no choices. I think that the traitor cannot be recruited in a goon game balances that, since you can win as town white flag style by eliminating the other two players (and they get two power roles to work with).

I disagree a bit on the role cop comment, since it would have synergy with the recruiter and roleblocker depending on how you'd want to use it. Maybe scum shouldn't pick the role cop by themselves, but that's up to them to decide.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:09 am

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I think maybe I want to replace the role cop with something else. I feel like the rest of the adjustments I made work. Bumping for ideas, as I plan to queue this soon.

Anyone got one of them hot new roles for scum?
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Post Post #12 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:08 am

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Not unless they are recruited. If scum don't recruit them or don't give themselves the option, it becomes white flagish.
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Post Post #14 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:19 am

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I didnt like getting the traitor as an automatic up/down option in the original set-up.
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Post Post #17 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:02 am

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In post 15, RH9 wrote:
In post 0, T-Bone wrote:Jack of All Trades (Alternating Strongman/Ninja)
T-Bone, does Alternating Strongman/Ninja mean it alternates between One-Shot Strongman and One-Shot Ninja? Thanks.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #10) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:03 am

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In post 16, Something_Smart wrote:What do you mean, automatic up/down
As in it becomes a binary choice, either your scum team is 3 members or it isn't. I don't think that fits with the rest of the set-up. There's no trade off. This set-up is about trade offs, and so I value the trade off of having to recruit the traitor with a night action.
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