Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[MURDERCAT]

Hi!

VOTE: Infinity

Hydras please turn on sigs with names thanks

[MURDERCAT]

Thank you

[MURDERCAT]

Skitter, I don't think we have actually played together before is that correct? I am looking forward to it

Lilith, have we actually played together??

[MURDERCAT]

Hey N_M, been a bit

[MURDERCAT]

Hi shadowslug, I see you are an alt but you are still relatively inexperienced with non-newbie games is that correct?

[MURDERCAT]

Sad Penguin Says: everyone should get to see the gif

[MURDERCAT]

Please enjoy this post and have fun!

/subscribe

[MURDERCAT]

Don’t think so!

So exciting!!

[MURDERCAT]

I would be voting infinity here if that wasnt the e-1 vote i think

6 to elim with 3 votes on right? Was there a 4th already?

[MURDERCAT]

Can we talk more about skitter instead

[MURDERCAT]

Uh its just not a post scum makes?

~ skitter

nervous isn't the right word but this seems like you're getting annoyed at their questioning of you in a defensive way

This

[MURDERCAT]

Sshhh

[MURDERCAT]

Can we talk more about skitter instead

Murdercat was this abt me or shadowslug?

Shadow

[MURDERCAT]

making vague declarative statements without further elaboration

Perhaps our styles are more similar than I realized

[MURDERCAT]

he thinks there might be value in pushing skitter a bit and seemed content with letting that play out and didn't like you guys switching focus

This isn't really what I was doing but that's ok

[MURDERCAT]

^^^ that’s probably town sort mentality even if it’s wrong on me and prob shadow

VOTE: GC

Let's try this

[MURDERCAT]

If it feels like there may be a flaw in your read then that's worth pursuing

But rather than question/make a post that would further develop your thoughts you choose to post a "Hmm guys Im totally reconsidering rn"

Ur being scummy

Early town reads are good. Calling early town reads scummy is scummy

[MURDERCAT]

Early town reads are good. Calling early town reads scummy is scummy

Oh I misread ignore me

[MURDERCAT]

PP how are you reading slug right now?

[MURDERCAT]

Hmm ok

[MURDERCAT]

I don't like that he unvotes insanity after that wagon gets 4 votes (esp. now I have good town feelings about insanity)

Can you say more about this

[MURDERCAT]

which part, the unvote or the good vibes?

Specifically why unvoting a town read of yours is scummy

[MURDERCAT]

Hmm ok

Do you think my grievances about GC are legitimate or am I being stupid?

I'm voting there but maybe for different reasons than you

[MURDERCAT]

so his unvote looks like he wants off that train for

bc I (now, looking back) think infinity is looking more like town, there's a greater probability for those to be "not wanting to be on a mis-elim wagon"

I guess I sort of knew this is what you would say so I should have been more clear. Isn't there also town motivation for doing the exact same action?

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah I get what you are saying.

How are you reading PP right now?

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: PenguinPower

[MURDERCAT]

lol

Why are you like active lurking, this is the second time I tested you on it

[MURDERCAT]

Ok fair enough, I think you are reading the thread without posting, I guess that's not quiet the same

[MURDERCAT]

I am reading and not posting at every instance, yes!

Weird that you would expect me to.

I think you are responding to safe stuff only

[MURDERCAT]

Yes - everyone outside the hood dies. This means that if we can successfully lim the bomb today, we automatically win.
This also means the bomb might probably make higher effort at appearing town than usual.
Green Crayons seems to fit that profile to me right now, and I'd like to have more pressure on that slot.

-Dumbass

I'm not sure this is the best approach but I'm ok with the conclusion

[MURDERCAT]

I can't understand anything! First of all, I'm struggling with all of your names, specially with the profile/personal names. Secondly, at the first few pages, I thought everything is going on in RVS state, then suddenly everything becomes serious and it messes my head cause I can't find/understand the basis of these votes at all. I need to re-read the thread again.

ping

[MURDERCAT]

Why do you need Green Crayons's point of view about PenguinPower to vote him? What about your own reason?

This setup has important relationships that I am looking for

[MURDERCAT]

It feels naive to TR skitter this early, but I'm gonna do so anyway.

I am less concerned with how early it is and more concerned with the setup

[MURDERCAT]

Murder your opening is feeling a little weird this game...

I was on my phone for all my posts before this one

[MURDERCAT]

rather, this stream of posts

[MURDERCAT]

Murder what do you think of GC atp? I lean town on penguin for not trying to look town

Yeah I guess this is true. I wanted to see the GC reaction to that vote and to try to get PP to do stuff but then he just didn't lol. So I guess this vote is useless.
UNVOTE:

I think the pressure on GC is useful, it's content at least.

VOTE: YyottaCat

I'm going to vote here instead though because NM.

[MURDERCAT]

If I put a 3rd vote there, someone unfamiliar with NM might put the 4th/5th.

[MURDERCAT]

NM insta hammers on E-1

[MURDERCAT]

not yet in the neighborhood

oof let's not do this

[MURDERCAT]

And I would never lolhammer my creepy eye buddy

X Doubt

[MURDERCAT]

Are you in a neighborhood?

This is no good very bad

[MURDERCAT]

MURDERCAT your play feels kinda flat rn
what's up?

Is it that obvious? I am trying haha

Limited mental energy

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think telling people not to claim is mech talk that's just kinda obvious

[MURDERCAT]

Do you want a hot take?
I'm voting scum

[MURDERCAT]

Hi I am back sorry, needed a short break

[MURDERCAT]

Murder's play always feels flat until he hits the towny button. That said, I'm leaning town on him atm.

Murder what are you seeing with yyotta?

I am glad you are starting to learn how to read my early game too haha

How are you people posting so much?!

I can't read anyone right now.

This was the first ping, giving no input and just posting filler

@Town:

Are you in a neighborhood?

@Scum:

How's it going today?

This is blatant fishing

Also I think 6 votes is a hammer so now... Even though my brain is still struggling to understand what is going on...
VOTE: shadowslug

Technically this happened after my vote but before my statement, this has 0 context behind it and is a very convenient vote, adding pressure to the existing 1v1

[MURDERCAT]

Isn't skitter really good at scum? Like she is surface level townie sure but I am worried about that.

[MURDERCAT]

you’re being weird murderkitty, and it’s unsettling.

no u

[MURDERCAT]

I thought that post felt very real
Honestly I was struggling to parse some arguments early on too so I relate.

I generally don't like "ah what's going on?" type posts, I feel like it's a shield for scum to avoid actually doing stuff. Like you felt that way, but did you make a post like that? What's the point?

[MURDERCAT]

This is actually a good point
PP seems to be playing to town meta from what I vaguely recall from playing with him before

To be fair it's been like 5 years since I played with town PP

[MURDERCAT]

I’m right there with you

word let's go gamma

[MURDERCAT]

Who do you think could be the neighborizer?

still shouldn't be doing this

[MURDERCAT]

Notscience being in this game as an alt would definitely be interesting.

-Dumbass

Isn't notscience a shelly alt?

[MURDERCAT]

cat's recent play is pointedly suspicious or anti-town to the point I'm fancying that it's a purposeful strategy

like, to take heat off the bomb?

[MURDERCAT]

@whoever is interested: skitter is within top 3 players onsite with ability to read me. probably top 1 if not close to it. she has crazy accuracy on me. therefore I will consider scumreading me a scumclaim, from her specifically.

This is good context actually, thanks. I was confused about why everyone was accepting skitter's read on you when like, skitter might not be town?

[MURDERCAT]

I find his posts suspicious at the start of the game

Can you give some more context for this, if you haven't yet?

[MURDERCAT]

is this in relation to something in particular or just a random thought

like general stuff on that page I was reading about Skitter/Lilith that I learned I didn't have context for. There wasn't really anything good to quote for it

[MURDERCAT]

I mean..... no? work got worse, not better, so

<3

[MURDERCAT]

I think it's suspicious to call other people suspicious at the start of D1.

Why?

[MURDERCAT]

That's the only thing that makes sense from a cat-scum POV. I don't think an otherwise context-less "let me do some just outright bad stuff so people might go 'too scummy to be scum'" is really a valid strategy. And I don't think that cat's play is indicates a noob level approach to the game where they are just falling into these bad plays.

Do you think shadow is bomb in particular? Or are you speaking generally?

[MURDERCAT]

Hi I'm here, I have been skimming but haven't had the energy to post, sorry. I wanted to catchup earlier but other things got in the way. I'll do it now.

[MURDERCAT]

so y'all pissed lilith off and so she's taking a break now

-dragons

This makes me sad

[MURDERCAT]

Well - and i get that maybe possibly maybe I’m guilty of this too - but he could be more clear. The fact remains he’s been shading me the entire game without voting me.

He has been voting a scum read though, it's not like he's doing nothing?

[MURDERCAT]

tunneled on obvtown

What is convincing you of shadow town?

[MURDERCAT]

I'm being constantly exhausted IRL so I don't really have the energy or the motivation to do anything except lurking. My head hurts.

Can you talk about your reads a little bit? Is there anyone you think is town?

[MURDERCAT]

Ok this is kind of ass

infinity, soon: ah yes why hasn't gc engaged with this insightful commentary?

lmao

[MURDERCAT]

The other thing that feels weird to me about your shadow push is that it's mostly based on the early game and I felt that he's been very towny since then, displaying nuance that I almost never see from newbscum (I can pull up quotes when I get to a computer)

say more

[MURDERCAT]

I'm going with GC now. I can't find big flaws in his scumread on shadow so I'm convinced. However, I don't think (3) is a sign of scum.
VOTE: shadowslug

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[MURDERCAT]

wut

I assume they want me to do stuff. Which is fair. That wasn't actually that bad I thought there was a lot more than there actually is.

[MURDERCAT]

murdercat, when you're done, would you be able to give a tldr on your reads?
i feel like i don't have a super great sense for where you're holding

and i hope things are going well irl!

~ skitter

was just about to.

And things are fine, just busy! And yeah I agree with whoever said the energy was kind of taken out of this game.

[MURDERCAT]

This misses the point entirely....

So what is the point?

[MURDERCAT]

{Infinity 324, Salsabil Faria}
{Gamma Emerald, shadowslug, Green Crayons, Daenerys and Dragons}
{Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, Dumb and Dumber}
{YyottaCat}

I think I'm here.

Infinity isn't doing the "are you scum??" thing he does to me when he is scum.
Salsabil: town slip and generally has no agenda while not doing nothing, if that makes sense

Gamma seems to just be chilling and doesn't seem to be trying to push anything in particular.
Shadow/gc I think might be TvT, but I admit that is in part because of how other people have voted in relation to the 1v1.
Lilith's emotion about dumbass seems real to me, in a TAI way.

NM: ?
PP: Don't really love some of the stuff in his early game or how he has interacted with me.
Dumb and Dumber: Paranoia about trying to get town read, not interested in an elim here

YyottaCat: We need more pressure here.

[MURDERCAT]

I feel like I was clear on that.

Ok. How I read shade as SAI is when someone is adding pressure somewhere without wanting to commit a vote towards it. I don't really feel like you are a big target of discussion. If GC is SRing shadow and that is the point of discussion it makes sense to keep a vote there, no?

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah - I’m fine yeeting this.

One day we’ll roll the same alignment again, murderkitty.

lol ok why don't you give a list?

[MURDERCAT]

lol

[MURDERCAT]

Unless you want some rainbow reads - but i don’t think you deserve that right now tbh

[MURDERCAT]

well, uh, those are takes ig?

murdercat can you also do like a little self-assessment for me: how do you view your towngame? your scumgame? which do you think is better and why?

~ skitter

You should get the answer from Infinity, he knows me the best. I like to lay low for a while until I feel like something clicks.

My town game is quite strong, you will see it when I feel like it. I would say my biggest strengths are not being miselimed and, eventually, solving the game. When I get around to it I am usually right or close enough to win.

I thought my scum game was good, but in my 1 scum game since my return I got steamrolled pretty quickly because I tried to save a partner I shouldn't have.

I thought my town game was better than it used to be, but I think I am actually just performing better due to town being strong right now.

[MURDERCAT]

Ok...fine. I will give you rainbow reads in the morning when I’m at a computer so i can format them.

[MURDERCAT]

thanks MURDERKITTY

i don't mean to be rude or offensive or anything but from what i hear you're supposed to be p good at town and, well, your readslist was a bit Not Good and shallow
so that's a little concerning to me

~ skitter

I think part of why I am good at town is because my playstyle keeps me in "maybe miselimmable" zone until I decide to leave it. And when I do, it is often because I case scum.

My wiki is nicely formatted if you'd like to see for yourself

[MURDERCAT]

ok but my point is that your reads are p bad
i'm not sure that really addresses or explains that

~ skitter

/shrug

[MURDERCAT]

Hi I'm here, I'm on my phone but going to effort a bit now that I'm done for the week.

[MURDERCAT]

See, that's the problem. I can't really figure out people's alignments. I'm thinking that Infinity and Da&Dr could be town.

Do you have any reasoning for that?

[MURDERCAT]

Why are you three voting MURDERKITTY though?

Hmm well this doesn't really make sense
UNVOTE:

I'm gunna do some rereading anyway

[MURDERCAT]

Right now, perhaps that he's appeared elsewhere on site but hasn't responded to the wagon on him?

-Dumbass

I did respond? What do you want from me?

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: shadowslug

By far my strongest SR after catching up.
Need to talk to lilith more.

-Dragons

Can you talk about what happened up to this point cake that made you vote here?

[MURDERCAT]

Sorry everyone I have to cut this short, but I hope to be back later tonight

[MURDERCAT]

Sorry everyone I have to cut this short, but I hope to be back later tonight

Sorry everyone, I was officially burnt out. But I am fully back now. Sorry for contributing the game dying a bit.
If you think I'm scum because I'm playing lazy then so be it. But I am back now, and I hope I've earned the benefit of the doubt because I am a strong town player when I get going.

[MURDERCAT]

Okay, but not great

why?

[MURDERCAT]

Looking forward to hearing about your scumreads!

Ok I can give more thoughts if you wish

[MURDERCAT]

Murdercat show us your towny soul

I'm back don't worry

[MURDERCAT]

Maybe start with why you’re still voting yyotta

I unvoted

[MURDERCAT]

I'm going to write a post about PP instead

[MURDERCAT]

The idea that Yyotta would be defending me

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: PenguinPower

PP how are you reading slug right now?

This post happened at 9:40 my time.

#proudpenguin

This was posted at 8:33, so PP hadn’t posted in thread for a little while.

Scummy but that’s probably influenced somewhat by nai things. I disagree with skitter assessment and the agreement post was gross.

Wouldn’t be sad if he was yeeted, but it’s early.

But he immediately responded at 9:44. I thought this was suspicious because it suggested he was reading the thread but not responding. So I tested it again (also there was other stuff that happened that I shouldn’t discuss that made me more comfortable voting there).

VOTE: PenguinPower

This was at 10:36.

lol

This was at 10:42. This is exactly the tell that I used to catch scum in Death Curse.

Here are some examples of him doing the exact same thing with me in the last game where he was scum.

It's 7:30 am on a Friday in September. Rain poured throughout the night, but a glance out the window showed the sun starting to fight through the clouds. I had barely started to drink my morning joe when a commotion outside caught my attention. Gathered in the town square, a number of residents seemed to be arguing. I couldn't make it out.

Upon approaching the crowd, I realized this was no simple disagreement. The townspeople were at each other's throats. I guess it's up to me settle this. I had barely begun to listen to the conversation when I was roped in. An old friend, penguinpower, started pointing at me. But for what?

Before I could respond, the crowd's attention turned elsewhere. A young girl named isis who I had recently become acquainted with said something questionable, but I didn't think much of it.

Recognizing my own excitement, I took a moment to collect myself. I realized that whatever this disagreement was about could only be solved one way: by semirandomly killing other citizens until it ended. I picked my first target.

VOTE: Taylor Swift

As I organized my thoughts I couldn't help but notice one of the voices rise above the rest, disrupting my deduction. Ah, of course. Not_Mafia, the town idiot, was yelling as well, though it seemed to be unrelated to whatever the others were going on about. I'd do well to ignore him if possible. I started to drown out the useless noise and focus on the task before me. It was time to begin.

Awesome.

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

Delay: 2 minutes

11 pages but it feels like nothing has happened all game

There's enough for a real wagon on TSwift so come vote

There was a real wagon. What do you make of it disappearing?

That doesn’t seem like nothing.

Delay: 1 minute

Looking at the rest of his iso what has he done?

Scummy but that’s probably influenced somewhat by nai things. I disagree with skitter assessment and the agreement post was gross.

Wouldn’t be sad if he was yeeted, but it’s early.

I like crayons.

Ah man. Auto I liked skitter. Don’t ruin it.

VOTE: not_mafia

to try to get PP to do stuff but then he just didn't lol. So I guess this vote is useless.

I’m not sure why you thought your vote on me would get me to change how i play...you’re being weird murderkitty, and it’s unsettling.

VOTE: gc

GAHAHA IT’S HAPPENING!!!!

VOTE: murderkitty

What I'm seeing is a ton of shade being throw along with excuses to turn around on TRs when it's convenient. Voting me, voting TC despite a GC being a TR earlier, going back on a TR on skitter. The GC vote in particular was an opportunity to add pressure back to that wagon when it looked like things might turn towards him instead.

Not_Mafia

{1}

- Not_Mafia, PenguinPower

shadowslug

{2}

- Daenerys and Dragons, Green Crayons

Green Crayons

{3}

- Infinity 324, shadowslug, Dumb and Dumber

YyottaCat

{2}

- Gamma Emerald, MURDERCAT

Not voting

{2}

- Salsabil Faria, YyottaCat

Votes needed to Eliminate:

{6}

. Deadline for Day 1 is Saturday, February 13 at 2 PM EDT, or in (expired on 2021-02-13 16:00:00).

MOD NOTES:
Please reach out if you notice any mistakes in my count.

Please don't discuss ongoing games.

Salsabil Faria is V/LA until Saturday.

VOTE: penguin

~ skitter

VOTE: gc

[MURDERCAT]

I'll be back tomorrow but I can talk about what I saw about yyotta tomorrow

VOTE: PenguinPower

[MURDERCAT]

Well I'm explaining what I saw, but if you want other evidence I think the GC vote and FMPOV vote on me are further evidence.
Off the top of your head, who are PP's TRs?

[MURDERCAT]

Will catch up later, but I can finally say this.
I was in this game where town got banned for game throwing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85633

It was heated and took literally all of my energy. I though it would end before this game started, but it turns out scum didn't know I was their traitor and they kept trying to elim me.
I am looking forward to mentally committing to this game.

[MURDERCAT]

What I'm seeing is a ton of shade being throw along with excuses to turn around on TRs when it's convenient. Voting me, voting TC despite a GC being a TR earlier, going back on a TR on skitter. The GC vote in particular was an opportunity to add pressure back to that wagon when it looked like things might turn towards him instead.

the thing is that there was a load of context and posts in between 199 and the post that penguin voted gc (i think 619) and so i think it's a little disingenuous to just condense all of that to 'voting GC despite GC beting a TR earlier'
i don't think he's long-term really changed from his townread on me either

my point was that penguin has basically no TRs and the TRs that he has we went back on

the "explaining what you saw" is the primary thrust of your vote: that penguin is actively monitoring the thread but only occasionally contributing

y/n?


please explain how it is AI

It's AI because town is more likely to want to lead conversation whereas scum PP wants to sit back and add pressure to something townled. At least that was my sense from the last game we played together.

Murder can you explain your read on the shadow/catboi slot?

Just feels like the slot was doing stuff to advance the game and whenever someone gets a lot of early votes I don't think it's often on scum.

MURDERCAT himself was the leading wagon.

This isn't true, I pointed out PP much earlier.

Ok having been in this game I can see this.

I mean you can see for yourself that it isn't this game I'm abandoning I'm low activity all across the site. But I think I've recovered and things have calmed down a bit on the IRL stuff (we are considering the possibility of moving to NYC in like 3 weeks due to a job opportunity, months before we actually expected to.)

Back in 2016-2017 there used to be people who claimed they could read NM, has that art been lost to time?

I read NM ok in our last game together, maybe I am a relic from an earlier time

Very conflicted. I think his posting isolated is very scummy but I also can buy his excuse that he was burned out by the BooneyToonz game and I did like his post where he cased Penguin. Would yeet in lack of other better wagons.

Here’s the thing: you ALSO saw what happened in Among Us. Tell me Murder’s play/reception differs from that game at all.

Ha yeah basically. If you look at the my scum game I'm actually way more high effort. In 802 I reread the whole game and wallposted a recap and don't get me started on Boon. If I get limmed here so be it, it's my fault, but I do want to play.

I'm glad you have a good sample of scum games to compare that agai...oh wait

When I said that I couldn't talk about Boon due to ongoing games

@MURDERCAT

what did you mean by “your one scum game”?
I feel like depending on this I have a solid binary of where scum is.
UNVOTE: because straight up stating NM is not involved in that binary

I was referring to 802 of course, I do keep my wiki up to date

And honestly the biggest issue I fucking have is that MURDERCAT GETS TOWNIER AS THE GAME PROGRESSES AS TOWN. ELIMINATING HIM EARLY IS LEGITIMATELY SHIT PLAY.

This is true

Ok skimming ahead a bit....

[MURDERCAT]

1. There's a difference between and . Your penguine reaction tests were aimed at the former suspicion. I don't see how you go from there to the latter suspicion.

2. Was penguin scum in your last game?

3. Why, in the first place, did you reaction test penguin for his active monitoring of the thread?

I'm genuinely not sure what the difference is. Like it is obvious that PP was not leading the conversation. So I tested if PP was just not around or was being selective in what to post.

PP has been scum in both my games with him since I've been back, though 1 didn't really count because it was a meme game.

In my mind, someone who sits around the thread watching what is happening but only responding when called upon is scummy. Look at the game I linked to, PP waited for me to push Taylor and then immediately jumped on with me (I think Taylor was also scum that game but the point is that scum is usually more reactive than proactive).

[MURDERCAT]

I don't see what game you're referring to with penguin. I only see a link to the game where you said town threw.

I was referring to this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84282

Here's an example of what I am talking about (presented without context, but you know you can go read it):

VOTE: gamer

VOTE: gamer

This one of a couple times where PP immediately sheeped me on a vote rather than pushing something himself.

[MURDERCAT]

I was referring to 802 of course, I do keep my wiki up to date

Yeah that's kinda what I thought? Though I have to say your method of counting games doesn't entirely align with mine
I tend to focus on games I finish out
PP/Targaryen was the binary I had in mind btw

I'm not sure what you mean. I have 2 scum games now, but I couldn't say I had 2 before because the game was ongoing

[MURDERCAT]

more votes on gamma please. or on dumb & dumber although I doubt I'd be able to push through a wagon on them today.

- Daenerys

Didn't you say to never flip skitter D1? Or was that someone else?

[MURDERCAT]

you should see that I have no reason to be constantly pushing town!dumb & dumber if I'm scum.

I agree with this, regardless of skitter's alignment there is no reason to try to push a UTR as scum in this setup.

[MURDERCAT]

I was quoting mena when I said that. I said to never townread her D1. I'm kind of at the point where I think my read is strong enough that I might want to elim her D1, but since it seems like no one else is really considering them I don't really see the point.

Oh right, ok I think someone else said that then. Or I'm making it up

[MURDERCAT]

Universal town read

or sometimes under the radar, I probably shouldn't use it as an abbreviation

[MURDERCAT]

Look at the game I linked to

I don't see what game you're referring to with penguin. I only see a link to the game where you said town threw.

Help me out, brother. I want to sort you and this game is dragging.

I don't see what game you're referring to with penguin. I only see a link to the game where you said town threw.

I was referring to this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84282

Here's an example of what I am talking about (presented without context, but you know you can go read it):

VOTE: gamer

VOTE: gamer

This one of a couple times where PP immediately sheeped me on a vote rather than pushing something himself.

[MURDERCAT]

however, as mena once said, skitter is a bad D1 elim. I’m not really interested in pursuing their elimination today, but I’m very much not convinced that they’re town. when I get back I’ll try to be more involved in sorting other slots for today’s elim.

oh good I am not crazy

[MURDERCAT]

I wasn't sure whether murdercat was crediting BTXV as his one scumgame or not
if that was the case then my side of the debate fell flat and the binary didn't qualify
otherwise I felt either cakez was negligent in highlighting the recency of the finished game or PP was overlooking it despite it being called out

the question was to determine if the binary existed, not to pick a side

@Gamma I think the way you reacted to your wagon is a little suspicious.

idk exactly what you mean by this
I did kinda get defensive at catboi before, was that what you mean?

Yeah, but it just brings you back to neutral on my readlist.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Where is this vote coming from?

[MURDERCAT]

I guess my final ask on this line of conversation is: does penguin not act like this when town?

I haven't played with town penguin since I've been back so I can't say from first hand experience. But I had skimmed through this game as a comparison and didn't see that same sort of voting pattern: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84707

Anyway, that was just the start of my suspicion of him, I pointed out that on the whole I think he is shading people and doesn't seem to have any TRs like he is keeping options open.

[MURDERCAT]

one day we will roll the same alignment murderkitty

One day

Thanks for modding

Sorry I made this game boring, I wanted to play but felt very stuck on D1