Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[eth0s]

VOTE: Harumi Ayasato

[eth0s]

Welp I just clicked on preview at the same moment my internet randomly dropped and therefore lost my post progress.
It would feel weird to try and rewrite it from a "natural" first take perspective so I'll just talk about the things that interested me.

Didn't really care about the emoji/emoticon discussion. If anything it's something to tonally compare against later maybe. Not juicy read-forming material on its own.

Not terribly AI but I see little point in doing a readslist in page three of a mafia game. They don't really add anything this early.

This is the first thing I came across that really resonated with me and felt useful.

I was thinking that it was almost a bit odd for no one to have voted me around the middle of page 3 but Meuh did. I don't necessarily love the circumstances of the vote, but I think Marcistar said it best.

It looks like we're sliding towards more serious voting now. In that case, UNVOTE: .

Feel weird about this post because there's no alternative vote given or even discussed and it always seems a bit more than awkward when people state that they think votes have more meaning now and wait to use their own.

Meuh, given your reads list had kazyan as a good vibes townlean, why did you not move your vote after writing the list?

I thought about doing that, but I just felt like it was unnecessary and I didn't wanna give the host more to keep track of, essentially. Switching onto someone else to pressure them is a good idea though, so VOTE:

eth0s

I won't lie guys, this vote from Meuh I kinda don't like. It seems like shes moving her vote around for other peoples approval (which is what scum would essentially want to do). I think this because she switched it around only

after

she got questioned about it.. I think its an obvious attempt to seem town.

I feel sort of the same way. But at the same time I would like the vote if it didn't seem pressured.

Meuh, given your reads list had kazyan as a good vibes townlean, why did you not move your vote after writing the list?

I thought about doing that, but I just felt like it was unnecessary and I didn't wanna give the host more to keep track of, essentially. Switching onto someone else to pressure them is a good idea though, so VOTE:

eth0s

I won't lie guys, this vote from Meuh I kinda don't like. It seems like shes moving her vote around for other peoples approval (which is what scum would essentially want to do). I think this because she switched it around only

after

she got questioned about it.. I think its an obvious attempt to seem town.

My logic here was:

I don't think I need to change my vote -> Krazy mentions my vote -> I reflect on my vote -> I switch my vote, not for the reason Krazy brought up (my townlean) but because the reflection made me remember that voting people to apply pressure is usually a pretty good idea.

Yes, it was linked to what Krazy said, but the reasoning was my own, because I thought the action was most beneficial to us as a town.

But I'm also fine with this answer.

[eth0s]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kazyan

[eth0s]

The current state of discussion isn't really one that I feel engaged in or able to form reads from. Maybe it's due to returning from a break away from mafia but there's nothing right now I feel I can dissect. I'd say I still have more of feelings, less of reads. I expect once things get more cross-examiney and dissecting motive and reason, I think there will be more for me to contribute on. For now I think my gutread on Kazyan and experiences with past people of similar D1 vote behavior is the best action to vote on.

p-edit:

You doing okay eth0s?

Yep I'm good! Whoever brought up me having stuff goin on IRL was actually mistaken. Wasn't gonna say anything about it but since you asked, I assume they read a post from almost a year ago when I last played on site. I tweaked some medicine dosage recently so I'm a bit wonky and my sleep schedule is rekt so my hours are super weird right now but I'm doing well aside from that.

[eth0s]

It's like... Right now you all are playing a game revolving around why things are a way, or what way do people think about xyz and it's significance to reading someone, while I am showing up wanting to play a game about why is this person projecting this viewpoint and not backing it up with action or seemingly contradicting it.

If that makes sense.

I don't have much success reading people on like beliefs or theory or emoticon usage or whatnot.

[eth0s]

With that being said there isn't a lot for me to go off of besides Kazyan and Meuh, unless there's something I missed when I stopped paying attention to the finer details.

Kazyan's actions are more concerning to me and bullet to my head that's the person I find scummiest. But I'd be lying if I said part of me doesn't also want to vote Meuh. But that's second to Kazyan. If they were more equal I would still probably pick Kazyan to avoid the omgus type explosion stuff that can happen. I want to feel stronger reads before I elaborate too much more tho.

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Whaaaat? You don't read people for emoticon usage?

Really though can you expand on this kazyan guttake? Is this from a game in the past and what's pinging you here?

I don't think I have prior games played with anyone on this roster? Not 100%. Really it's just the mismatch of "oh it looks like votes are serious, I should mention that and unvote so no one questions my seriousness" paired with not using that voting power at all. A vote is a powerful tool and it always has the

potential

to do something. I don't think anyone expected them to have a super accurate scumread vote, nor do I think anyone expected that their vote not be placed lightly so early into D1. It felt like a play for appearances.

[eth0s]

Wait I'm stupid Kazyan is voting me so it is omgus. Or could be called that I guess. Meh, whatever.

[eth0s]

I'm doing a really good job here. Go me.

[eth0s]

Lets say for fun, bullet to my head. I gotta vote for someone that isn't / hasn't voted me.

[eth0s]

Italiano I guess? Idk

[eth0s]

Don't ask me why

[eth0s]

It looks like we're sliding towards more serious voting now. In that case, UNVOTE: .

@kazy -- why not vote your poe?

Huh? I don't have enough reads to use PoE yet. Honestly, I'm kinda waiting for one of those big arguments that pull lots of people in.

VOTE: Cantripmancer. This is a policy vote. C'mon, do something.

Wait, dangit, I got you mixed up with a different person. Ack.

UNVOTE: Cantripmancer

VOTE: eth0s

C'mon, do something.

(1.) I agree that these posts are superficially scummy

and I don't mind you sorting there even tho I think kazy is town.

(2.) Do you have a take on 2nd from the last page?

1. I don't think 87 or [p]90[/p] are scummy. Superficially or otherwise.

2. Can you rephrase this question? I don't understand

[eth0s]

Oh, the player named 2nd. Like I said it's much closer to feelings than reads for me right now. I like the way 2nd talks and the structure of their analyses. I think that biases me to feeling good about them. I feel based off of what little they have said they are capable of playing a convincing scum game.

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Krazy your demeanor reminds me of how I often play scum

[eth0s]

Is it normal for you to kind of lead discussion as town? As both SE or in a non-newbie game?

and do you typically (what I see as) overstate your own thought process and intentions?

[eth0s]

I don't mean it as an insult I just feel weird about certain aspects of your play in a vacuum.

[eth0s]

@Kazyan

If you were scum in this game and felt at a certain point (in this case, around post 77) that votes were and should be used more seriously, where would you place your vote and why? Would you unvote without voting for another player at the same time, or would you have considered that someone might think that looks bad?

[eth0s]

Harumi you have no interest in anything I said? At least an elaboration on why I'm still a good vote or some kind of interaction would be nice if you are still wanting to vote me.

[eth0s]

Ethos seems okay but 156 157 158 seem a bit weird. I can't tell why I feel like that, but it seems to give different vibes from the rest of his stuff so far today. He was trying to talk and poke into things which is good...
Maybe its because hes focusing so much on not omgus voting/not voting somebody who has been on him before that it seems weird.. I don't know why a townie would hold off from voting somebody they truly find scummy.. but it seems like hes keeping that in the back of his mind? Idk what you have to worry about bro .

I generally try to avoid voting omgus on D1 especially in newbies since it tends to get me mislynched or incorrectly scumread. My purpose in talking about it was simply to bring attention to the fact that I am conscious of it. If you think it's scummy or anti-town that's fine. I just challenge you to ask yourself what scum!me has to gain by putting it out there in the first place past wifom.

[eth0s]

actually I like this more rn
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Meuh

[eth0s]

I'm not sure what to think about eth0s. His posts fit with a pattern of "breaking up the townbloc" and adding to the Meuh dogpile, but that seems okay for now.

Between this and me being null and still your vote, I am curious why are you voting me? It does feel weird when you've gone out of your way to imply that your vote is serious yet you aren't using it on a SL/SR

[eth0s]

I'm being very sloppy with keeping my vote up-to-date because I'm shy about voting for scumleans instead of full scumreads. There's definitely scum that I haven't identified, and I don't want to help them sink a townie for flimsy reasons. The only person who has graduated out of "lean" territory, so far, is 2ndchosen1, and that's on the town side.

It's a good point, though. Being shy doesn't help the town. UNVOTE: , and I'm going to case Harumi now.

I just think if you're town it would be helpful to put your vote where your scumspicions are. I'm not asking you, or anyone else for that matter, for a read list (yet). Just as I haven't given (or even fully formed) my own yet. But I do think if someone goes to the lengths to discuss serious vote importance and what their reads are, their vote should reflect those things. I don't know if I really accept shyness at this point given how your voting pattern looks troublesome to me, but I don't think it's overly concerning yet as long as we can come to some understanding of what merits a voting action.

I think used to I would have already at least had you as a hard scumlean but I understand that not everyone has the same perspective or even voting priorities, especially when new to the site. I just don't want this to be a recurring issue or I will have trouble seeing you as anything but scum and I don't want to be there right now.

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Wait I'm stupid Kazyan is voting me so it is omgus. Or could be called that I guess. Meh, whatever.

You're saying your vote on Kazyan is OMGUS? I've always thought of OMGUS as specifically "I'm voting this person

solely

because they're voting/attacking me". And you talked about other reasons you found Kazyan suspicous, so how would that be OMGUS? (Not voting someone just because they were voting you first is a weird reason not to vote someone. Cross-voting naturally occurs all the time.)

Additionally, you're now voting Meuh. Your catchup in 146 indicated a little suspicion on Meuh based on their vote progression, but then you also say you like Meuh's explanation. But then I don't see anything else in your posts discussing why you suspect Meuh, so...why are you voting Meuh? Especially after going to lengths to explain why you don't like cross-voting/looking like you're OMGUSing, identifying a possible alternative suspect (IVD), and then voting Meuh (when Meuh is still voting you)?

I mean, no, I don't view my own reasoning as OMGUS but I am just used to it being perceived that way without much challenge when one votes their voter. Which is a perception I was trying to avoid altogether but obviously something I cannot control when I am (was?), in fact, voting for the person who voted me. If your experiences in cross voting differs then I can see why you'd think it's odd for me to bring it up, but I am just being mindful of my own past experiences.

I do not yet wish to talk about why I am voting Meuh instead of Kazyan. And what I said about Italiano was so surface level that you might as well consider it a joke. I know that isn't particularly helpful but really I was saying based solely off of memory and feels that Italiano was the name that stuck out when considering people that were not voting for me.

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Hey guys I am so sorry for disappearing. I actually ended up being stuck in another city due to a snow storm during travel and mafia was the last thing on my mind so I forgot to ask for replacement.