Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: 2ndchosen1
You’re turn.

[ItalianoVD]

Just to let everyone know I townhunt before I scumhunt because I suck at finding scum, so don’t just automatically scumread me because of it. PoE is my friend and should be yours too.

[ItalianoVD]

@Italiano, just for your own sanity I am also Happy Unbirthday Boon, so hello again!

Oh hey! Nice to see you again. I’m just gonna assume everyone is an alternate and that they’re capable of anything.

[ItalianoVD]

i always forget whats a POE???

Process of elimination.

how long is the random vote phase thingy meant to last its so hard to make votes during it..

Until there’s something worth voting for. This can happen at anytime.

[ItalianoVD]

Does anyone else find the constant use of emoticons to come off as insincere, or is it just me?

What’s your definition of constant? And myself, meuh, and Marcistar all used them, so we’re all insincere?

[ItalianoVD]

I don't think scum *tend* to draw attention to their vote in that specific manner, but it could be NAI, page 1 tonereads are always tricky business

To go further with your point this here:

Scummies, you should out yourselves now! Otherwise we'll catch you and you'll face HARSH consequences for your crimes

is townie looseness methinks.

[ItalianoVD]

the weird defensiveness of this post might be a little scummy too, maybe I'll move italiano out of lean town

Not defensive, just want them to explain what they mean and who they’re talking about.

[ItalianoVD]

If I seem kinda excited about the Marci read, it's because I've been thinking a lot about a recent post unwnd made in mafia discussion about the value of tone reads, so I'm curious to see how my early game tone reads play out.

In an effort to in fact pocket you, I’ve been using tone reads for years and it’s one of the main things I use
when I townhunt.

[ItalianoVD]

@Kazyan: Can you explain what hat means/is.

[ItalianoVD]

I personally didn't really find Italiano scummy here. This doesn't seem defensive to me, it looks more like either defending me or trying to push on Harumi. If it's to defend me, I don't mind it, and if it's to push on Harumi, I don't really understand what's scummy about it either. If anything, early aggressiveness can be a sign of being town, right? Since it feeds discussion.

It was a bit of defending the three of us that used the emojis, but more so trying to understand what they meant and who they were talking about.

[ItalianoVD]

What the, lol, I thought I typed “your” That’s quite annoying for me, I’m all for the policy lim.

Well there are quite a few posts which have emoticons literally almost every line, which I guess strikes me the wrong way??? I don't know, it's probably just me.

So who specifically were you talking about since as I mentioned, three of us did it.

[ItalianoVD]

I feel like whatever it is, defending himself or someone else, pairing people together in a group of three is a bit scummy. Scum like groups of three because it makes it unclear whether they're pairing themselves with two townies or a scumbuddy.

It just so happened that three of us did it. If four of us or five of us did, I would’ve paired it as such. I think you’re looking too deep into it.

He also kinda went to defend the use of emotes without really evaluating how different players were using emotes to different ends which is a little concerning.

Not a super scummy post, but a little scummy

I don’t like when people do this. Please don’t narrate and/or assume what I’m thinking (bolder) or how I’m trying to sort a player’s slot. Feels like a poor attempt to shade me. If you’d like to know what I mean or why I said something, just ask me.

[ItalianoVD]

Well the question you asked was kinda indignant, like "are you REALLY implying that [three people] are insincere from emotes" (obviously you didn't write the caps REALLY but that seemed to be the implication of the question) which does seem to also therefore imply a kind of likeness. It pinged me a little but I'm not making a big deal out of it outside of explaining where I'm at on it. You know, it's page 3, so 'a ping' is about all I'm likely to get at this point anyway

I get that and I don’t have an issue with your perception, I have an issue with how you arrived at that perception. You didn’t ask me what I meant by it or try to understand what I was trying to say. So from

my

perspective, you read the comment, created your own story from it, and then based your read off of it. I’d like to think you are townie, but this doesn’t make me feel great about you.

[ItalianoVD]

In addition: in posts 49 58 & 65 I explain what I was thinking and why I was asking the question.

[ItalianoVD]

@Kazyan: Can you explain what hat means/is.

A joke based on how random votes are often accompanied by silly reasons. This is a forum, so no one is wearing a hat, because no one has a physical presence.

Oh okay, I thought it was a mafiascum term I wasn’t familiar with, lol.

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@ItalianoVD: 2ndchosen1's turn for what?

To post or vote really. Whether it was an OMGUS vote or a vote for someone else. Wanted him to do something. They still haven’t.

[ItalianoVD]

I figured I’d wait a little longer...until page 5 to give them more time, but Harumi, you still haven’t answered my question. Who specifically were you talking about when you posted your emoji comment?

[ItalianoVD]

I figured I’d wait a little longer...until page 5 to give them more time, but Harumi, you still haven’t answered my question. Who specifically were you talking about when you posted your emoji comment?

She kinda did:

Well there are quite a few posts which have emoticons literally almost every line, which I guess strikes me the wrong way??? I don't know, it's probably just me.

Basically, she didn't mean anyone specifically, afaik -- is this a correct take, Harumi?

Why don’t you let her speak for herself. And kinda did is not answering.

[ItalianoVD]

This wasn't "kind of", it was the answer. I was not referring to anyone in particular, I just noticed that multiple people were doing it and commented on it.

So then I

was

right in saying you thought all of us using emojis were insincere. In and of itself, it wasn’t that serious. I simply asked a question and expected a simple answer. If the question was just answered in a simple way instead of the vague way you did, I don’t think it would have been as drawn out as it was. Kraft getting involved didn’t help either. So I don’t know if you are purposely being vague/difficult or you are just scum and don’t wanna open up. Either way it doesn’t help me sort your slot, so until I feel better about you...
VOTE: Harumi Ayasato

[ItalianoVD]

This is a real quick hit. I’ll be back later.

@Cantrip: Why are you scumreading me, just curious? I think I may have missed your reason.

141 makes sense. There’s no reason for partners to do that.

144 isn’t good framing. I wasn’t defending myself and Harumi never actually said who she was singling out.

Is 167 a trap? Feels like a trap and it’s not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm pretty sure this was a miscommunication. Maybe the other players can vouch for the clarity of my response on this one?

I don’t know about that. I asked you a question and you gave me a politician’s answer. I will give you that maybe our personalities are just clashing.

174 comes from town

[ItalianoVD]

I've read through your readslist Krazy and I didn't know what to think about it, because as I said I'd like to hope you are townie, but I just don't know, however, the tone of 215 feels like caught scum to me.

This:

I was just trying to get in the conversation after not really seeing anything of major significance.

...

"I was just"

feels like "how could you scumread me, I'm doing what everyone else is doing?" which just feels like disappointed scum to me.

And this:

the "why did you think the emotes are that important Krazy" question was more a "Am I missing something?" question.

Feels like a backpedal. When 2nd came out he wasn't necessarily trying to see if he was missing something, iirc he came out pretty confidently with his reads and his questioning, but when Krazy called him out and started scumreading him, his tone changed. Now it feels like he's pleading. What do you think @Krazy, @Kazyan, @Meuh, @Ethos

VOTE: 2ndchosen1 I believe that's E-2

BTW, @Eth0s: do you feel you have a more solid read on Krazy now so that I can ease my mind a bit?

[ItalianoVD]

Oh I forgot @ Cantrip

[ItalianoVD]

No worries. We have time.

[ItalianoVD]

Also @Italiano, why @ those specific people? (Krazy, Kazyan, me, Ethos and Cantrip) and exclude Marci + Harumi?

Is it not obvious?

[ItalianoVD]

Also @Italiano, why @ those specific people? (Krazy, Kazyan, me, Ethos and Cantrip) and exclude Marci + Harumi?

Is it not obvious?

No it isn't my brain isn't that big

Lol. I’m townleaning the ones I asked. The ones I didn’t ask I either don’t townlean or I have questions about.

[ItalianoVD]

Also @Italiano, why @ those specific people? (Krazy, Kazyan, me, Ethos and Cantrip) and exclude Marci + Harumi?

Is it not obvious?

No it isn't my brain isn't that big

Lol. I’m townleaning the ones I asked. The ones I didn’t ask I either don’t townlean or I have questions about.

whats ur read for me? what questions do u have about me?

I have you at null, but because of what has changed for 2ndchosen for me, your post 224 makes me think you could be a potential partner, if in fact 2nd does flip scum.

[ItalianoVD]

Okay, I looked through a bunch of ISOs with a new mindset. Meuh is scum.

The reasons for this is that all of her votes are opportunistic, backed by shallow reads. She previously expressed suspicion about Harumi in 75 and then about Krazy in 83. In 110, she jumps on the chance to call them a team, only because I suggested it first, and pressures Krazy for an explanation. Meuh's vote moves to Harumi in 181, but only did this because she could join IVD's Harumi vote in 119--Meuh did not have a Harumi vote previously, despite a scumlean over 100 posts earlier. Meuh townleaning 2ndchosen1 in 181, but then Krazy made a hard push to against 2ndchosen1 in 191. Then that townlean reverses over the course of two posts, and she jump on the 2ndchosen1 wagons, since that's the powertown's choice. All the while, she's playing dumb with comments like in 233.

VOTE: Meuh

Stop yelling at 2ndchosen1 for being confused about proper word choice around anime girls. Yeet Meuh instead.

Hmm. That’s actually a good observation and something I definitely missed. Although I didn’t think you were gonna make a read until 2nd posted.

[ItalianoVD]

Yeah I don’t know if I’m comfortable voting for Meuh. I just don’t see scum, especially newb!scum playing the way she has been. It’s bold.

[ItalianoVD]

vs harumi who i think doesnt rlly have a level of confidence.. idk but i thought in newbie games i thought scum would be more nervous..? i think her not having confidence = shes nervous = shes scum...

Is this really your reason for scumreading her? Lack of confidence? I’ve seen that from at least 3-4 slots. Surely there has to be more than that.

[ItalianoVD]

I don’t think scum would fight hard to save a townie so I think the Marci/2nd connection is gonna be more like t/s or s/s. @Marci: I believe you are either mistaken or you are scum with 2nd.

I highly doubt that on Day 1 a townie would be that adamant about saving another townie without having knowledge that they are townie, so I don’t believe it’s a t/t connection. (I.e. they aren’t masons together)

[ItalianoVD]

I can see scum white knighting a townie for towncred if they think the townie gets flipped despite the defense.

Thats true, but in this case it’d be so obvious, at least in the way it’s being done.

[ItalianoVD]

Is there any particular reason that this doesn't also apply to the Kazyan/2nd connection?

No.

[ItalianoVD]

Oh crap, my bad, I’ve been trying to catchup with the other two games I’m playing and forgot about this game. Un momento.

[ItalianoVD]

@kazyan: why am I your top townread?

[ItalianoVD]

The progression of your perspective feels weird, IVD. You read through Krazy's reads and a) don't know what to think about them, but b) you "like to hope" they're town, but c) you just don't know, BUT d) you agree with Krazy on their scumspect (2ndChosen). Why the quadruple(!) waffle there? Why not just say "I don't know if you're town, Krazy, but I agree with your Chosen read because of..."?

Just saying “null” is boring.

This I'm a bit lukewarm on, though, as I've felt that kind of tone change from newer players (regardless of alignment). It's NAI for me.

In the context of 2nd/krazy, I don’t see it in this way. I’ll try to go back and show you what I mean, but it’ll probably be later though.

I may have missed it, but what’s your top scumread(s) or limpool?

[ItalianoVD]

Oh crap, my bad, I’ve been trying to catchup with the other two games I’m playing and forgot about this game. Un momento.

don't think you were in prod range were you?

Oh you’re right, I thought it was 36 hrs.

[ItalianoVD]

@kazyan: why am I your top townread?

Nevermind.

[ItalianoVD]

I townread IVD because his posts come across as methodical and insightful

I don’t think anyone minds being townread if there’s a good reason. I’d say some people would view “methodical” as scummy. I know what you mean though. Hmm, maybe that’s why I’m always being scumread every game I play.

[ItalianoVD]

Votecount 1.10:

2ndchosen1 (3) -

Krazy, Meuh, ItalianoVD

Meuh (2) -

Kazyan, Harumi Ayasato

Krazy (1) -

2ndchosen1

ItalianoVD (1) -

Cantripmancer

Harumi Ayasato (1) -

marcistar

Not voting (1) -

Alisae

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate. Day 1 will end at 11am GMT on the 20th February 2021 - (expired on 2021-02-20 11:00:00)

Me, Krazy, and Meuh are on Chosen and Alisae is on Chosen in spirit. So who is everyone’s compromise vote for today? Have anyone seen 2ndchosen as town yet? I’ll go back and see if I see anything? Harumi would be my compromise vote? Cantrip, you still scumreading me? Come on man, what else you want?

Meuh voters? Have you thought about looking at Meuh from a town perspective?

[ItalianoVD]

I'm not moving from Meuh, but I was thinking last night that Alisae/Meuh makes a lot of sense as a solve, despite my townlean on em earlier. The "do I vote for Harumi or 2nd?" exchange was bugging me.

Today, I don't like how much of the hyperposting is just buddying the shit out of Krazy while simultaneously killing other conversations. Poffering off the responsibility of eir vote choice between Harumi and 2ndchosen1 seems fishier and fishier the more I think about it.

What is this post? Not good bruh.

[ItalianoVD]

That post kinda shot you up the list bud.

[ItalianoVD]

but if we're on the last 24 hours and still yelling at each other, I guess 2ndchosen1.

No one’s been yelling at each other. Actually it’s been pretty chill; Alisae and Kraft have been catching up for the last several pages, etc.

And you guess 2nd? What do you foresee changing then that’s different to now that’ll make you be comfortable voting for chosen now?

[ItalianoVD]

@Cantrip: still casing me?

[ItalianoVD]

I'm like half falling asleep and stared at the cookie monster gif way to long, so that's all I can give right now, night

Lol, you’re welcome.

[ItalianoVD]

Italiano what reads do you have as well?

The bottom of 226, 227, and 232 are my current reads. Although kazyan’s 506 pinged me.

[ItalianoVD]

your reads haven't changed within 300+ posts?

Uh uh.

[ItalianoVD]

Is this ai for you?

[ItalianoVD]

On IVD:

29, contrary to Alisae's perspective, is the kind of post that raises my hackles because it sounds like trying to pre-emptively explain behavior that IVD feels needs to be explained.

I get scumread and voted on for townhunting early, so I wanted to let people know that before they automatically scumread me for doing it, there is basis for it and to have an open mind or at least a discussion.

119 votes Harumi with a sorta meh "don't know why you're acting the way you are but either way it's not helpful so vote you" meander, but that follows where you'd been focusing. Could be scummy, but isn't a red flag.

I don’t like when players refuse to open up or answer questions. For me it doesn’t help town and if you’re ain’t helping town, you gotta go.

190 I already mentioned that I sorta liked the way you responded to my naked vote, but didn't like that you seemed to be more focused on it than your casual inquiry let on. I had a bit of mindmeld on your comment on eth0s's 67, as I thought similar things.

I never responded to this when you said it last time, but I made a note to do so; my bad. Simple, I was catching up and was going in order of the things that stood out to me. Your vote was just first on the list. You can look back at the sequence of posts if you don’t think so.

@IVD:
Can you rephrase what you were getting at in 48?[/post]

Yeah. I was agreeing and embellishing on krazy’s 42. I was saying that scum wouldn’t go out of their way to post 18 and would struggle to keep up the facade, which Meuh has been able to do the whole game. If she is scum then she’s done a marvelous job in my eyes. (No pocket intended.)

You never answered my question about 285: Are you familiar with Too Scummy to Be Scum (or Too Wolfy to Be Wolf)?

Yeah I’m familiar with it, but it’s a fallacy for me. I rely on Occam’s Razor as much as possible.

[ItalianoVD]

In 347 you said you were going to go back and try to show me what you meant on Chosen/Krazy; did you do that/can you if you didn't?

Yup, was waiting for someone to ask me.

So I was specifically talking about chosen’s 143 post.

Now compare that post to his 215 post.

Notice the difference in tone? Maybe you do, maybe you don’t, but I did.

Also read over his entrance/catch-up posts again (130, 135, 137, 139, 143). It reads like someone who in fact is pretty confident in the direction they’re going. Questioning, probing, etc.

186 also felt confident. Laid down a vote with reasons why, which was cool for me, but when krazy came back with a strong 191, in response to his 186 he posted the aforementioned [post]215[post], which I believe and still believe was a weak response to someone that came in like he did.

To me that seems like:

1) he didn’t believe his initial read/push on krazy and was just following the trend of the gamestate, or...
2) he wanted to soften the pushback pressure that was coming from an SE slot...

which doesn’t normally comes from a town mindset.

[ItalianoVD]

I never responded to this when you said it last time, but I made a note to do so; my bad. Simple, I was catching up and was going in order of the things that stood out to me. Your vote was just first on the list. You can look back at the sequence of posts if you don’t think so.

Actually I looked back at it myself and saw that it wasn’t in fact in order. Oh well.

[ItalianoVD]

2nd’s flip should give us valuable information regardless of alignment. The positioning of slots around his will be telling.

[ItalianoVD]

I don’t disagree.

[ItalianoVD]

^that was in response to 683

[ItalianoVD]

Nice, that's what I figured. Kazyan being the night kill is a little strange but whatever.

I'm down for massclaim, but why?

[ItalianoVD]

Italiano, you want to massclaim when you have a massive lead over wolves because massclaiming is really great at accelerating leads.
This is especially holds true in more larger games.
I think our lead is strong enough that it should be fine to accelerate it w/ massclaim, but to be safe I asked Krazy if he thought it was fine because he's probably more familiar with newbie games than I am

Yeah I get this, it just seems unnecessary in this game. We've caught one scum. If we go under the premise that no one bussed then Chosen's partner is/was offwagon, which leaves Marci, Harumi, and Cantrip and I'm sure we'll be able to sort it. Massclaims make more sense when there is a larger game as you mentioned and there are more roles involved, but like I said I'm down for it. I feel good that town will win this one.

[ItalianoVD]

Alright Marci read time

I've played an online mafia game with Marci where she was mafia before, and from what I can gather from that game (and to some degree from her town games too), Marci is the type of player who would try very hard to keep their partner or herself alive. Marci in those games seemed to view short term gain (mafia with more numbers) as more valuable than long term gain (mafia members not associating, keeping the mafia townread). In the game, she almost got eliminated, but survived to the end of the day by fakeclaiming a PR role. That fakeclaim, while it allowed for a miselim, left the mafia a lot more obvious, and we were elimed on the next few days.(

That loss was also partly my fault but that's besides the point

So what does this mean? I think it means Marci would be reluctant to push for her partner if it put her at any serious risk which is why I think Harumi/Marci is pretty unlikely. Also I think that Marci might try to push to save her partner, even to a point where it might be obviously scummy like she could be doing here, protecting 2nd. If 2nd is elimed and flips scum, I think there's a lot to look into with Marci.

I'm pretty conflicted on Marci honestly, the general vibes are townlike, but the whole reaction to 2nd is just... off, it's weird. It feels like she's both distancing from 2nd and also pushing hard to get votes off of him, and those 2 things feel conflicting.

Marci you better not be scum I wanted us to carry

I think Marci is very likely our scum here, although like others have said, Harumi and Cantrip are also fairly likely

Very possible and on top of that, I didn't see anything from kazyan that made it seem like he was a pr (which is probably the main reason for his nightkill) so I'll be trying to sort that as well.

What do you think of it? @Alisae @krazy @Harumi @Marci @Cantrip what are your thoughts on the night kill?

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: Cantripmancer

[ItalianoVD]

What's your feels Itali?

Really sorry guys. Playing four games currently and just trying to be fairly active for all of them. Alisae pretty much said what I’m thinking. I think Cantrip has played this game the most like scum and also makes sense as 2nd’s partner. Harumi could maybe be 2nd’s partner if you force it and Marci is the least likely partner for me.

[ItalianoVD]

Both you and Marci defended Chosen D1; I feel like there's a solid chance that one of the two of you are his partner. I detailed my hot take in 602[/[post]. Marci's response in [post]625 would be pretty cheeky for scum to make, and, like I said, I've felt like her tone has been pure all game.

They voted though. To me you refusing to use the one power you have as townie, which is your vote, and at the deadline, looks worse than them just not voting for Chosen because they still at least used their vote.

[ItalianoVD]

@Marci @Cantrip @Harumi

Have any of you/all of you played scum on this site before?

[ItalianoVD]

Ah, yes, the classic "Vote Someone With No Explanation Whatsover", just as my internet pulls the "Nightkill My Productivity For An Entire Afternoon With No Explanation Whatsoever". Coincidence? I think not! fuhuhuhuhuhuhu

Anyways, Italiano I'd have to reread so as not to mix up my interactions with them in another game. Cantrip I'm really not liking now because of that post though.

Why didn’t you vote him then?

[ItalianoVD]

I don't know that Harumi has a strategy; if they see that they're in the PoE and the PoE is small enough to be entirely eliminated before they can control the vote, then that might explain them not seeming to be playing with an endgame in mind: they don't know what to do to achieve the win.

This is a good point. Are you able to go deeper into this? Don’t worry if you can’t.

[ItalianoVD]

-harumi's readslist explains why as scum she kills kazy

My only question here is she had you as her top townread, so why wouldn’t she have killed you?

INTENT TO HAMMER

[ItalianoVD]

She doesn't kill me because it was implied town protective would be on me

By you right? I think I remember something late day 1 or in twilight you said I mean “implied” It makes sense though.

Just to make sure it’s known on this page:

INTENT TO HAMMER

[ItalianoVD]

Oh, nevermind.

[ItalianoVD]

Hmm. What’s the best move at this point?

[ItalianoVD]

Hmm. What’s the best move at this point?

I mean on a mechanical level. I have no issue hammering Harumi or Cantrip. I’m fairly sure one of the two are the last scum.

[ItalianoVD]

Sorry, should have cleared that up.

[ItalianoVD]

I have no issue hammering Harumi or Cantrip. I’m fairly sure one of the two are the last scum.

There’s no preference.

[ItalianoVD]

INTENT TO HAMMER

[ItalianoVD]

Ugh never mind again I’m already on cantrip

[ItalianoVD]

Is there a way to confirm masons without actually coming out and saying it? To check for A3/C3? Pretty sure we’re not in TFN range since no has confirmed to have received anything. And it’s probably impossible for the doctor to hint without it being obvious huh?

[ItalianoVD]

I guess I can stop being ambiguous. I know for a fact we are in row 1. We are looking at a goon or a roleblocker.

[ItalianoVD]

They’re dead.

[ItalianoVD]

Kaz’s hammer made me think he was the partner trying to get towncred. I’ve seen it before, but I really should have checked the offwagon slots. I figured I’d take a chance and hope the I have a guardian angel.

[ItalianoVD]

*that

[ItalianoVD]

If so then we can get at least one more check. That’s why I wasn’t too concerned on who to flip, flip one check one. I wasn’t gonna do it, but I felt like I could be a potential nightkill

[ItalianoVD]

Can you elaborate here?
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yes i still want harumi.. i would vote her but im so confused rn

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what are you confused by?

how do people see cantrip as scummy?

You want to vote Harumi but are confused because people scumread Cantrip?? Not sure I see how they’re connected. I mean how people are reading Cantrip shouldn’t have any bearing on you voting for Harumi.

[ItalianoVD]

Yeah let’s get moving.

[ItalianoVD]

i uuuuuuuh
ya uuuuh
i don't awnna move my vote

So don’t. And why would you?

[ItalianoVD]

The reason I asked Marci if she has played scum before is because newbscum could have been defending their partner the way she was defending Chosen. Generally I wouldn’t expect any scum to heavily defend their partner that blatantly, but knowing she’s a newb in that aspect kinda throws me off a bit, but I’d rather just assume she wouldn’t do that even as newbscum.

[ItalianoVD]

As the deadline closes in I wanna reiterate that I do not have a preference. I am on Cantrip and could vote for Harumi, but don’t wanna complicate things. As Marci and krazy have the final votes it’s really up to you guys. If I don’t in fact have a guardian angel then it’s been real my peeps. :lol If I do then I already know who I’ll be checking.

[ItalianoVD]

ya ur a cop so u should just get shot right?

I guess, I’m not confirmed, but scum know I’m telling the truth.

[ItalianoVD]

Wow awesome game guys! Probably one of the quickest games I’ve played on here. Feels good to go 2 for 2 in consecutive days.

Thanks krazy for the advice. I’m still trying to learn the mechanics of this game. Definitely need some lessons on that front.

[ItalianoVD]

if I survived D1 IVD was on my list of people needing to gotten rid of, wouldn't have gone down the SE list, but last game I got a lotta success from hitting those who simply did good deductive/stabilizing posts. there needs more paranoia and tin foil hatting

It usually takes me a while but once I can get my bearings I can figure things out fairly good.

@Cantrip: we’re you trying to get people to follow you onto me why you stuck with me so long?

[ItalianoVD]

That’s why townhunting is so important to do, I’d say even more important then scumhunting. I’m not saying don’t scumhunt, by all means you still need to do so, but if you can literally tick people off the list then the scumhunting will come so much easier for you.

Just like as scum you find ways to “scumread” players as town you find ways to “townread”. There is a reason why I was never gonna go for Meuh, Alisae, or Krazy, no matter what people had said and on Day 2, I was able to take Marci off. I could have been wrong, but I’ve done it enough times to know to follow my gut when it gets pinged by both scum and town. The more games you guys play you’ll be able to as well.

My weakness has always been second-guessing and overthinking and while I still suffer from it at times, the reps I have gotten in this game has helped me extremely, where I am able to trust myself a lot more, so the only way to get better is more reps. One more thing I do wanna say to the rookies is no matter how good you get with your reads or how much you trust your gut make sure you always stay honest with yourself, no one likes a jerky, arrogant, know-it-all. I really had to learn that the hard way, but hopefully it’ll help you guys.