Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[marcistar]

krazys pfp do be cute doe

[marcistar]

beating the mafia with the power of friendship can be problematic (it can be hard to reevaluate people if you don't *want* to reevaluate them) but I still would rather have that then a highly toxic game, which can occur even in newbie queue.

we dont need to beat them with the power of friendship...
just whoever doesnt call me beautiful is scum ofc

So far I townlean the tones of Kazyan, Marcistar, Meuh, and Harumi

what did i do to deserve this? :0 people usually call me scummy d1

[marcistar]

Just to let everyone know I townhunt before I scumhunt because I suck at finding scum, so don’t just automatically scumread me because of it. PoE is my friend and should be yours too.

i always forget whats a POE???

I don't think a new player opens the game trying to pocket me by complimenting my pfp. Not a strong resd but good enough for page 2 lol

ahhh okai. iwish there was a thinking emoji on here
how long is the random vote phase thingy meant to last its so hard to make votes during it..

[marcistar]

Does anyone else find the constant use of emoticons to come off as insincere, or is it just me?

I do agree with krazy that emojis isnt really alignment indicative.

It's good conversation for early game I think, but if it progresses later on dont let the emojis cloud your judgement!! I think actions > emojis

[marcistar]

The fact that I am trying to pocket (almost) the entire list is more a matter of playstyle than anything else, I'm a very pockety player as both town and scum Actually, I subjectively think I'm even more pockety as town than as scum, but I'm definitely pockety as both, and I'm not sure a casual observer would notice the difference.

If I seem kinda excited about the Marci read, it's because I've been thinking a lot about a recent post unwnd made in mafia discussion about the value of tone reads, so I'm curious to see how my early game tone reads play out. I can already tell that this is going to be a game where one of my big thoughts in postgame will be about whether tone reads are good or not. (unwnd's argument was that they're just not good at all, I think they're good early game and then should be supplanted by thought process reads as there's enough content to do so)

I do have some expanded thoughts on my Harumi read but I'll hold off until she posts a bit in response to Italiano. I also feel like I should probably be posting less until the low content slots post a bit more but I'm kinda enjoying this game a lot already lol

1. I didn't really see you as pocketing, though Meuh brought up a good point. I think its something to be wary about, tho I thought you were just trying to start conversations.

2.I think tone reads are very important for a game as a whole. For me, they help me trust someone and then i dont rlly push on that person it helps me find people who i think are scum (im not always the best with having actual good reasons)

3. I think you shouldn't stop talking if you can. Once the less talkative people join in, they'll be able to see that the game is indeed hella popping and itll be harder for inactive scummies to hide!! They'll have to give input eventually, while if the talking tones down, they might not feel the need to..
does this make sense? i hope i worded it right?

What’s your definition of constant? And myself, meuh, and Marcistar all used them, so we’re all insincere?

the weird defensiveness of this post might be a little scummy too, maybe I'll move italiano out of lean town

I personally didn't really find Italiano scummy here. This doesn't seem defensive to me, it looks more like either defending

me

or trying to push on Harumi. If it's to defend me, I don't mind it, and if it's to push on Harumi, I don't really understand what's scummy about it either. If anything, early aggressiveness can be a sign of being town, right? Since it feeds discussion.

I also thought about this a bit. Meuh if you're town you should be careful about italiano he might be trying to get on ur good side. It looks like he was trying to defend you might mean that Meuh + Italiano = team, but idk if thats too much of a stretch since its so early on.

[marcistar]

I feel like whatever it is, defending himself or someone else, pairing people together in a group of three is a bit scummy. Scum like groups of three because it makes it unclear whether they're pairing themselves with two townies or a scumbuddy.

It just so happened that three of us did it. If four of us or five of us did, I would’ve paired it as such. I think you’re looking too deep into it.

He also kinda went to defend the use of emotes without really evaluating how different players were using emotes to different ends which is a little concerning.

Not a super scummy post, but a little scummy

I don’t like when people do this. Please don’t narrate and/or assume what I’m thinking (bolder) or how I’m trying to sort a player’s slot. Feels like a poor attempt to shade me. If you’d like to know what I mean or why I said something, just ask me.

The first part of this, "I think you're looking too deep into it." I disagree with him saying, i thought krazy was fine with the talk about emojis.. but only because its such early game and its the only thing we can really talk about right now...

The second part, tbh makes me think you're getting a bit too riled up LOL.. But I believe you didn't want to be seen that way and just want to clear things up between you and Krazy.

Well the question you asked was kinda indignant, like "are you REALLY implying that [three people] are insincere from emotes" (obviously you didn't write the caps REALLY but that seemed to be the implication of the question) which does seem to also therefore imply a kind of likeness. It pinged me a little but I'm not making a big deal out of it outside of explaining where I'm at on it. You know, it's page 3, so 'a ping' is about all I'm likely to get at this point anyway

I get that and I don’t have an issue with your perception, I have an issue with how you arrived at that perception. You didn’t ask me what I meant by it or try to understand what I was trying to say. So from

my

perspective, you read the comment, created your own story from it, and then based your read off of it. I’d like to think you are townie, but this doesn’t make me feel great about you.

However how Italiano deals with it in this post makes it seem much more better and less reactionary IMO.

Meuh, given your reads list had kazyan as a good vibes townlean, why did you not move your vote after writing the list?

I thought about doing that, but I just felt like it was unnecessary and I didn't wanna give the host more to keep track of, essentially. Switching onto someone else to pressure them is a good idea though, so VOTE:

eth0s

I won't lie guys, this vote from Meuh I kinda don't like. It seems like shes moving her vote around for other peoples approval (which is what scum would essentially want to do). I think this because she switched it around only

after

she got questioned about it.. I think its an obvious attempt to seem town.

3. I think you shouldn't stop talking if you can. Once the less talkative people join in, they'll be able to see that the game is indeed hella popping and itll be harder for inactive scummies to hide!! They'll have to give input eventually, while if the talking tones down, they might not feel the need to..

I appreciate the sentiment but it's not healthy for the game if I have too much thread presence. I tend to play in larges which tend to be more hyper-posty which can be off-putting to some newer players. I do like to be chatty and have fun but I also make a point to let the thread breathe.

This post by marcistar is again really townie tho lol, but I kinda disagree. While it's true if town finds themselves town too much, then scum will not know how to generate a winnable gamestate. There is also the risk of being too insistent on townreads too early can cause them to feel stale and paranoia later on. Still... idk. Sometimes people just town yo. But beyond this, if scum lurk out then town can start to push each other because they're the only ones saying anything or generating readable content. Not that I'm really accusing our no-poster of being a lurker, I mean we're in the first 24 hours and confirmations took like 2 and a half days.

What you're saying here is true, but I think naturally if we talk alot if theres an inactive scum they will come and feel the need to make something big to seem more townie... but i think scum tends to slip up in moments like those..? Maybe its dumb thinking... but thats what I think is something that'll happen.

I personally didn't really find Italiano scummy here. This doesn't seem defensive to me, it looks more like either defending me or trying to push on Harumi. If it's to defend me, I don't mind it, and if it's to push on Harumi, I don't really understand what's scummy about it either. If anything, early aggressiveness can be a sign of being town, right? Since it feeds discussion.

I feel like whatever it is, defending himself or someone else, pairing people together in a group of three is a bit scummy. Scum like groups of three because it makes it unclear whether they're pairing themselves with two townies or a scumbuddy. He also kinda went to defend the use of emotes without really evaluating how different players were using emotes to different ends which is a little concerning. Not a super scummy post, but a little scummy

AH SHIT GUYS I HAVE A CLASS TO GO TO I GOTTA REPLY LATER THO AAA OKAY ILL FINISH REPLYING TO 66 LATER
SORRY THIS IS ALL OUTTA ORDER BUT I OPENED IT ALL IN A NEW TAB I GOTTA ZOOM NOW

[marcistar]

class: finished

I personally didn't really find Italiano scummy here. This doesn't seem defensive to me, it looks more like either defending me or trying to push on Harumi. If it's to defend me, I don't mind it, and if it's to push on Harumi, I don't really understand what's scummy about it either. If anything, early aggressiveness can be a sign of being town, right? Since it feeds discussion.

I feel like whatever it is, defending himself or someone else, pairing people together in a group of three is a bit scummy. Scum like groups of three because it makes it unclear whether they're pairing themselves with two townies or a scumbuddy. He also kinda went to defend the use of emotes without really evaluating how different players were using emotes to different ends which is a little concerning. Not a super scummy post, but a little scummy

I wanted to comment on this, but didn't have time before class.
Pairing people together in a group of three can be scummy, but I think I was the one to try to pair a duo together.. (from wording later in your paragraph Krazy, it makes me think you were talking about italiano all along..) (The pairing was me, meuh, italiano yes?) (i accused meuh and italiano of being a pairing)
I think, pairings are something thats kinda eh to talk about.... but since i know what i am, i see italiano making the 3 of us as emoji buddies in a different way, which is why i brought up the possibility of meuh x italiano as a pairing.
I could honestly see italiano x meuh because of how they kinda defend eachother... though idk if meuh is just too trusting because she hasn't played mafia for awhile.
though maybe i should consider the possibility of him dragging down meuh with him...

My logic here was:

I don't think I need to change my vote -> Krazy mentions my vote -> I reflect on my vote -> I switch my vote, not for the reason Krazy brought up (my townlean) but because the reflection made me remember that voting people to apply pressure is usually a pretty good idea.

Yes, it was linked to what Krazy said, but the reasoning was my own, because I thought the was most beneficial to us as a town.

It looks like you have your own reasons yes, but it looks like the driving force to make a different vote was because you were questioned on it. Would you have

ever

switched if he just didn't mention it..? Thats what i've been thinking about. I don't know if I believe the "you don't wannna make it harder for the mod" stuff, since when is keeping a "bad" vote good for a townie to do..

Though I think I should maybe drop this, and look into other people. TBH I feel like i'm tunneling you too much right now Meuh because we're friends. i'll keep my eyes open for u tho..

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while typing i by accident deleted something in one of the quotes but i cant tell what... guys im sorry

[marcistar]

@marci 81 - I don't think solving is bad at all. "X and x might be scum together" can be very productive. "Y is not scum because they're doing something a and b are doing" conversely I find a bit scummy. I think looking for associative pairings of scum teams is townie, and I call that solving.

HUHH was i reading too fast?? I thought you said that finding a pair inside a trio is scummy

[marcistar]

@Marcistar: Are you scum?

yeye ofc i am

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so that i dont have to clarify later, this is a joke.

Lol...I know I hit refresh, but apparently there were 70ish posts that didn't load???? Please ignore my #93 while I catch up...

Preview edit: oh NOW the forum tells me I might want to review my post in light of new posts.

Ahhh this happens to me every single day!! If you keep the tab open when u close down ur browser, just make sure to refresh everytime you open it up just incase

Kazy has only posted seventeen times, and quite a few of them are non-substantive, but the few that are seem to be rather focused on calling people out for things he perceives as scummy. This is probably just a playstyle thing, but it makes me wonder.

You know what, yeah, this is a good take. I have been doing a lot of jabbering and pecking. I'm thinking of casing Krazy, since they've said enough to possibly develop a stronger read on them. Does that sound good to you?

"kazy" and "krazy" kinda confused me but i think i understand the difference now if any of u make a typo one day between these 2 names imma cry in the club

[marcistar]

@Marci: Why the panic attack at the end of #78? Like...what you communicated sounded fine, but the all caps craziness feels overdone.

i did all caps because i was so worrying about whether i would make it to class on time so it was meant to be seen as a "zoom zoom gtg"

Preview edit: I will lol so hard if this is a Marci/Mueh scumteam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBVrPWw ... nKaracalar

[marcistar]

I kinda don't know how to solve this game with two slots MIA tbh, I could spend some time just vibing or talking about anime or something but I think there might be a rule about excessive off topic conversation.

I dont think its a good idea to just sit around ^.^ scum will have an easier time the longer we wait.

Harumi

im kinda not vibing with, but thats probably because their reads seem so noncommittal to me.

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im sorry if this seems mean i dont wanna seem mean

what i mean is,
This is because a quick skim of Harumis messages i seemed to have skimmed over their reads (their reads dont rlly stand out as

reads

), but when i looked and saw 76 i saw reads in that post. Looking at the reads, it seems like "krazy seems town

buuuut maybe..

" "italiano seems town

buuut maybe..

" and "kazyan might be town

but maybe

" (that is what i mean by noncommittal.. they seem so unconfident with those reads. To me, it gave the impression they dont really want any backlash?

Kazyan

I had a strong temptation to read as scummy, but thinking about it deeper, I really don't see anything wrong

yet

other than the lack of reads. When I looked into their posts, I didn't see anything really interesting. This stands out as scummy to me, because I feel like town would wanna work with a mindset of "I wanna catch scum! Let me try to generate something!!" But instead, they have no reads... which will really hinder town moving forward.
I think its a neutral read right now, until I see more. But depending on when and what they do my eyes on u..

Krazy

keeps biasing me like crazy, so like im kinda swayed cause i love being town in other peoples eyes.. but so then, I really really wanna be cautious with them then. IDK but they also give the vibes that they could give up easily

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once again, im sorry if this is mean. i dont wanna be mean..

But they contribute alot, so I think... aaaaaah I gotta be super cautious about them, but i

don't think they're super scummy

as of right now.

Meuh

tomorrow morning (or like whenever u see this, but i think ur sleeping LOL), can you plz tell us if any of ur reads have changed at all
I won't lie... I don't think Meuh's the towniest ever... but I feel bad because I keep attacking them > anyone else (to me it feels like im just tunneling). (i've already mentioned why, but they kinda slightly defend italiano, and only changed their vote when challenged) is what makes me seem

scum

, or neutral at best.


I would be most confident in a Harumi vote, but I don't wanna put them too close to elimination (and im not sure how many votes they have, or what counts as elimination). I saw one vote, so I think that will be fine for now.
So I think my next best vote after that would be VOTE: kazyan as a pressure vote for more content.. (I picked kazyan > meuh, because meuh at least has given us some spicy content to judge from. vs kazyan who prob just needs more motivation to get their head into the game.)

[marcistar]

I would call the emoticon debate certainly unhelpful, one thing that came up repeatedly in our last game was the discussing playstyle isn't really the most helpful thing for sorting scum.
The IIOA is certainly something but I would say NAI right now as it wasn't really distracting.
@Kazyan were the NPOM vibes from 29?

whats iioa and npom mean??? i dont rlly understand those terms.. (and i also have a bad memory so for anyone reading this... im hella sorry if me asking questions like this is annoying, i think ive done it alot )

i think the playstyle chat was helpful for getting the game out of the random voting thingy, do you pick anything out from it or is it too meh for you?

[marcistar]

Ethos seems okay but 156 157 158 seem a bit weird. I can't tell why I feel like that, but it seems to give different vibes from the rest of his stuff so far today. He was trying to talk and poke into things which is good...
Maybe its because hes focusing so much on not omgus voting/not voting somebody who has been on him before that it seems weird.. I don't know why a townie would hold off from voting somebody they truly find scummy.. but it seems like hes keeping that in the back of his mind? Idk what you have to worry about bro .

[marcistar]

hmm, what exactly makes 2nd seem scummy to you guys?

i didnt read any of ur games so keep that in mind, but i just dont see how anything seems off? it just feels like they need to post more before i can make any decision on them.

[marcistar]

Also @Italiano, why @ those specific people? (Krazy, Kazyan, me, Ethos and Cantrip) and exclude Marci + Harumi?

Is it not obvious?

No it isn't my brain isn't that big

Lol. I’m townleaning the ones I asked. The ones I didn’t ask I either don’t townlean or I have questions about.

whats ur read for me? what questions do u have about me?

[marcistar]

Okay, I looked through a bunch of ISOs with a new mindset. Meuh is scum.

The reasons for this is that all of her votes are opportunistic, backed by shallow reads. She previously expressed suspicion about Harumi in 75 and then about Krazy in 83. In 110, she jumps on the chance to call them a team, only because I suggested it first, and pressures Krazy for an explanation. Meuh's vote moves to Harumi in 181, but only did this because she could join IVD's Harumi vote in 119--Meuh did not have a Harumi vote previously, despite a scumlean over 100 posts earlier. Meuh townleaning 2ndchosen1 in 181, but then Krazy made a hard push to against 2ndchosen1 in 191. Then that townlean reverses over the course of two posts, and she jump on the 2ndchosen1 wagons, since that's the powertown's choice. All the while, she's playing dumb with comments like in 233.

VOTE: Meuh

Stop yelling at 2ndchosen1 for being confused about proper word choice around anime girls. Yeet Meuh instead.

hmmm, i did not see this in meuh tbh, i thought she just forgot how to play mafia.

But i do agree that 2nd isnt a good vote. To me, 2nd seems like an easy push and i don't rlly see much wrong about them, (tho everyones saying tone??)
I wouldn't mind meuh being todays elimination. as i did see other things i found scummy about her earlier. i think you brought up good points kazyan. i don't like my vote as much rn. UNVOTE: though i think ill wait to jump on meuh to see what others think also.

[marcistar]

Also @Italiano, why @ those specific people? (Krazy, Kazyan, me, Ethos and Cantrip) and exclude Marci + Harumi?

Is it not obvious?

No it isn't my brain isn't that big

Lol. I’m townleaning the ones I asked. The ones I didn’t ask I either don’t townlean or I have questions about.

whats ur read for me? what questions do u have about me?

I have you at null, but because of what has changed for 2ndchosen for me, your post 224 makes me think you could be a potential partner, if in fact 2nd does flip scum.

well then let me be a potential partner for 2nd

i don't see anything that seems off in their UHHH idk what its called when u do the
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and change that stuff at the bottom of the page.. (unless if im missing anything..?) so i honestly don't see them as the best vote for today. if anything they just look like an inactive..?
what im keeping in my mind is that since they're so inactive, wouldn't they be such an easy mislynch? i dont want that to happen..
and everyone piling so fast onto them... when that happens usually i dont think its a good thing..

if it makes me scummy for thinking this its fine. but this is what i think
i dont see why they're scummy...? somebody should go into depth for me about it cuz i dont see it-

[marcistar]

harumi if u ever see this... (which i hope u do)... is ethos still a good vote for u? pls explain why u've stuck to them

Spoiler:

praying harumi gets on and sees this otherwise imma look like a clown

[marcistar]

Marci it will be hard to find you town at endgame if you keep not voting, we need your vote to be proactive so that vote logic is comprehensible in the game

i wont vote if i dont like the options is it bad to not vote if im not confident??? i dont wanna lynch a townie

harumi is who i thinks most scum so ill vote that then, but i dont want to vote anyone else, im not confident in anyone else being scum. VOTE: harumi

[marcistar]

Why do you have ~a level~ of confidence in harumi being scum, moreso than chosen who you've indicated is null?

im not super confident in harumi being scum, but out of everyone she seems the most scummy.

when i looked at chosens posts it looks like defending themself, which i dont rlly see anything wrong in them..? i cant see whats scummy about them at all..? i think they're just an easy push for some people to make (from what i understand they were scum their last game..? i havent read it at all, but if they were scum last of their games, u guys seem to be not giving much of a chance this time to them..?)

vs harumi who i think doesnt rlly have a level of confidence.. idk but i thought in newbie games i thought scum would be more nervous..? i think her not having confidence = shes nervous = shes scum...

i also have thought about other possible votes i could make but i dont think it would be very uhh... have very good logic behind it?
im so bad at carrying im sorry

[marcistar]

omg how do u reply so fast tho... do u always refresh? ICONIC

[marcistar]

oml i have like 6 diff tabs open for this this is so confusing

when I asked him to provide two names outside of us he refused to do so (only giving meuh outside of myself) which reflects an unwillingness to have flexibility in thought, which to me seems a bit scummy for day 1.

Really? To me, I know from one of my past games some people are very close minded on their scumreads. In that game, the person turned out town when they were eventually eliminated. So I think unwillingness to have flexibility in thought does not = scum. Unhelpful town maybe, but its not something that i think is good to scumread people based off of.

What I see in chosen is somebody whos inactive, but tries their best when they're here. I think theres a better elim than (then?? idk which to use i suck at grammar) them. I thought that by next day phase we could've gotten enough on them to decide if they are town or not.

he refused to do so

is a bit harsh. unless if im missing it, i've never seen them outright refuse to do it? I think they could've just skimmed over some stuff by accident maybe. (maybe they didnt see thr "outside of myself" of ur message.

but he doesn't even have any nulls to show he's actively thinking about different solves or worlds. Basically it feels like he's not solving, and not solving day 1 is scummy (especially if I feel like both of his scumreads are town, which at present I do).

You didn't ask them for any null reads, you only asked for 3 reads from them. Some people don't feel a need to provide more then asked.
You only asked for 2 scumreads and 1 townread.

So I am curious if 2nd can present 2 scumreads outside of myself that seem plausible. That might help me read him. I also would be interested in *exactly one* top tier town from him, not three, just one.

Heres the question you asked.

243 they said

@krazy as for my reads

which proves what i said earlier about them not providing more then they were asked. If you wanted some nulls, you shouldve asked for more tbh

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OMG BTW IM SORRY I FEEL LIKE IM GETTING A BIT MEAN BUT I JUST RLLY FEEL STRONG ABOUT THIS

I feel like its a bit unfair that you're expecting so much from them, didn't they say they barely have much experience? 245 specifically.
when i said some people dont feel the need to provide more then asked, 245 is what gives me vibes of that (that lack of experience seems like a quality of a player like that.)

i hope i didnt miss anything else i wanted to comment on

[marcistar]

Marci I asked for two *outside myself*. In response to that he gave me two, one of which was myself.

also I'm highly tempted to ask if the reason you have six tabs open is because one is the scum pt

1. i think its possible for a townie to either completely miss over the "outside myself" of your part and just end up giving 2 scumreads...
its also possible they could've just not cared and really think you two are scum. this behavior which you think 2nd might have doesnt really = scum imo? didnt i explain why that being stubborn on reads does not always = scum????

i thought it would be better to wait and see but i wont lie, the more i argue about this the more im starting to townread them wtf i feel so bad for them.

2. yeah its sooo fun in there!! (nah i just had a tab open for a bunch of different posts but it got so so confusing)

[marcistar]

His solve right now is me + meuh, and when I asked him to provide two names outside of us he refused to do so.

The ending part of this is harsh, you think they refused but did they outright refused? I thought it was possible they could've skimmed over some stuff by accident.

but he doesn't even have any nulls

You didn't ask for nulls from them.

From the way

I

see this. You asked them for 2 scumreads (outside of urself), 1 townread.

I see it as possible that they could've skipped over the "outside of urself" part

(why dont u see this as possible btw? ) and then u mention how they dont have nulls when u never asked for that.
This is assuming that they did actually by accident skip over it, which is why it seems unfair imo.

[marcistar]

Here's the better question -- do you *townread* chosen in a way that you *want* him alive tomorrow, marci?

no townread on chosen, but yes i want them alive for tomorrow. i feel like theres better elims for today
i wanna sort chosen out d2 (when they would

hopefully

have more time to post..?)

I don’t think scum would fight hard to save a townie so I think the Marci/2nd connection is gonna be more like t/s or s/s. @Marci: I believe you are either mistaken or you are scum with 2nd.

I highly doubt that on Day 1 a townie would be that adamant about saving another townie without having knowledge that they are townie, so I don’t believe it’s a t/t connection. (I.e. they aren’t masons together)

i dont know if chosens town tbh, but i feel like they arent the best elim for today.
if chosens actually scum i dont mind being eliminated next if itll help clear the towns confusion.

I can see scum white knighting a townie for towncred if they think the townie gets flipped despite the defense. I still townread marci from earlier in the game but I'm intrigued by how she's going to bat for chosen

what do u mean by "bat for chosen"..? are you meaning how far ill go for defending them..?
i honestly didn't see anything wrong with them if chosens actually scum im gonna feel a bit like a clown i wont lie.

whats chainsawing???

[marcistar]

Just to make sure everyone's following, what's being discussed here is "a player (Marci/Kazyan) who defends another player (2ndchosen) by attacking the other player's attacker (Meuh) is very probably scum" and if the scenario fits that description/warrants a scumread on Marci and/or Kazyan.

didnt i attack you before i ever mentioned 2nd?

[marcistar]

and tbh im stalking marcistar not u god

Also, I'm confused. I feel like Marci's defense of Chosen is being perceived as excessive, so wouldn't it make more sense to postulate that Marci and Chosen

might

be masons rather than discounting the possibility? And wouldn't the logical alternative to explain Marci's defense of Chosen if they're

not

masons be that

Marci

is scum white knighting Chosen (if it's unlikely that a townie would be excessive in defending a townie)?

Tbh, I could always be scum white knighting chosen is a possibility, but i think everybody will need to judge that for themselves. It isn't my intention to white knight them, and if I really wanted to I would've placed them as an actual town read. I just want them to have a chance

would you vote to eliminate if they flipped town? What if they flipped scum?

if chosens town I would probably do something like krazy because then it would mean town is horribly off track and needs to look into different options.
if they're scum i think either alisae/you cantrip. I feel this way because (unless if im missing it) they didn't really interact with eth0s when he was here, and also they barely mention you outside of 135.

Look Krazy ik you have to go out of your way to groom the whole playerlist but u can't be a negative influence on the playerlist you know.
the newbies here look up to you, if they started to do this in games it'll blow up on them!

so hes playing us like a violin????

[marcistar]

Marci like, what are you doing to make your read of chosen better rn?

waiting until they have more time to talk

I kinda feel like I'm mono blue this game and you're usually a town that plays mono red but this game you feel like mono green

this is so confusing.. is it art class time?

{Marcistar} - bit skittish and defensive which I don't like, but it's probably a playstyle thing so eh.

can u show me where i seem like this?

[marcistar]

What are your thoughts on me right now?

Still think ur scummy you dont feel like a town whos trying to prove their innocence.

@Marci: Since your vote on Harumi in 259 you haven't moved your vote, but you also, unless I missed something, haven't talked about Harumi other than just recently asking them about finding you skittish. You've used a lot of words to talk about why you don't think Chosen is scum, but don't seem to be trying to figure Harumi out at all. Why not?

I don''t hhave any thoughts on chosens alignment rn..

I HATE TYPING SO MUCH I BY ACCIDENT DELETED SOMETHING I WROTE.

I think harumis overall more scummy by how often they post and their word choices. Meanwhile I choose to believe Chosens excuse of being busy because i think its genuine based on how its worded.

I think thats what i wrote

[marcistar]

whos e and eir am i being dumb LOL

[marcistar]

ahhh okai LOL I DIDNT SEE ITS UR PRONOUNS im so blind

[marcistar]

It does and it is. I mean, town is probably losing this game anyway, judging by the environment, so it'll be a good example of how to think in the end.

Don't think like this its a bad thought process to have

[marcistar]

Marci, scumlean, I've been unable to parse whether her defense on me has been about pocketing me, but it has gone on far longer than I thought it would honestly. I don't really see it as earning towncred on a flip as that'd be the first thing most would ask.

1. my intention isnt to pocket you
2. i dont mind if it doesnt earn me town cred.

i just want you to have a chance

[marcistar]

Marci, what do you think about 2ndchosen

i dont see anything scummy in them ^.^ so i dont think its the best vote for today

[marcistar]

So here's what I'm seeing: both Marci and Harumi start off null/townlean on Chosen. Marci white knights him the whole way (rather obsessively), while Harumi briefly entertains him as scum before putting him back to null. And they're attacking each other and cross-voting. So my hot-take is that they're buddies and sensing Chosen as a likely elim and both looking for some "told ya so" town cred when he flips town while also establishing some distancing from each other.

i like ur hot take

[marcistar]

if she's town then she's going to have a hard time re-evaluating the gamestate if she's wrong on that slot.

do you think it will be??? i thought it was gonna be fine if this scenario happens... but maybe... aaaaah

[marcistar]

I think Marci is very likely our scum here, although like others have said, Harumi and Cantrip are also fairly likely

Okay then why dont you vote me? I (think?) I already said i'm fine with being next after chosen dies. If it'll help clear up confusion I don't mind.

[marcistar]

I think this kill could've been one made by Marci, since the kill does throw shade on me in the form of Kazyan pushing me yesterday, and since I had already mentioned that 2nd/Marci was a likely duo, putting a dent in my credibility could be a good idea. No clue why Kazyan would be specifically seen as PR, though

I don't mind flipping, but I hope you enjoy the result of my flip!
You starting the day with so obviously thinking its me over anyone else makes me heartbroken i thought we were bffls, i thought u knew how i play better... hehe but if ur so sure xoxo

what would u do if its not me??

i have no idea why kazyan was the one killed @italiano or whoever asked that
i feel like looking into who they sused would've been something we should do, because i know from games.. some games ive played mafia sometimes decides to kill whoever suses them but isnt seen as "reliable" and it usually isnt looked into then but its fine ((:

meuhs so opposed to anyone who isnt me, i think i should just be the elimination to clear up everyones confusion!! (unless if somebody has something better).
hehe x3

[marcistar]

I do think this is very likely a Marci mafia, the invocation of Kazyan's read on me feels off to me, and if she likes the "person who was killed's suspicion is likely mafia" thing so much, that'd make sense with a Kazyan kill, especially since I said I thought 2nd/Marci was very likely. The general tone of her latest post reminds me of the way she played the day she was caught for fake-claiming PR in the scum game I played with her, she seems very annoyed.

ofc whatever i do at this point is gonna seem scummy

but fr guys vote me if itll help town i dont mind

tho i do have problems with you right now, its probably because i just very much dont agree with how you see my play style. also bringing up outside of the current game information is a way i find easy to miselim since nobody can actually expand on those points except the people involved.

lol marci your positioning there is really scummy <3

anyway who you think is maf?

i dont mind if my positioning is scummy, just get me out if itll help town already!!!

im still sure harumi is scum

Spoiler:

also oof i think i just ate some raw bread dough

[marcistar]

Remind me of scum harumi reasoning, overall?

excuse me while i think for a second..

yeah all i got is they have unconfident vibes.

Ngl marci the vibe I'm getting from you is way more 'scum that doesn't want to wait a dayphase to lose' more than 'town pumped there's no one holding her back from diving harumi anymore'

I get you could be pressured town but you feel off to me today

Its fine if you think that way, but i wouldnt throw as scum unless if i have other members alive to try to make it a "purposeful throw".

im off because i feel sad i thought chosen was actually busy so i felt bad for them but i guess i was wrong

Confused why you are not at present voting harumi

Also! I hope that bread dough does not upset your stomach

Im not voting harumi because im waiting for them to get in because I realize that I could just have a mindset of "harumi scum" and be tunneling them no matter what right now.

I'm waiting for them to get in to see what their play would be (if they would push me more, etc.)

Though I don't like how meuhs metaing me, when i die either meuh will feel very bad or very good (:
(also btw, did i miss it? didnt i ask meuh in 725 what would she do if its not me, did she answer at all? )

Spoiler:

also nah, stomach not hurting but head hurting instead

[marcistar]

@Marci @Cantrip @Harumi

Have any of you/all of you played scum on this site before?

I havent so far on this site.. all my tries have been vt

[marcistar]

list of what?

reads?

[marcistar]

im in a pissy mood rn my brothers so annoying

Meuh - bad vibes
Cantripmancer - idk about him, i thought he seemed kinda townie imo, but u guys keep saying hes sus??
Harumi Ayasato - bad vibes
ItalianoVD (SE) - decent vibes, not the best tho
Alisae eth0s (SE) * - gud vibes
Krazy (SE) - decent vibes

[marcistar]

Marci you still want harumi? do you want to vote her?

yes i still want harumi.. i would vote her but im so confused rn

[marcistar]

what are you confused by?

how do people see cantrip as scummy?

[marcistar]

OMG LOLL I FORGOT ABOUT THIS GAME AND GOT TOO BUSY WITH MY SCHOOLWORK

Marci -- I think you did a really good job of projecting a townie tone, but sometimes when wagons stall out be a little more willing to compromise to end day with a flip. Unless you're really sure someone is town, it's better to hammer.

I wanna follow thru with my opinions tho,
but i did think chosen was scum at a certain point but kept defending them anyways cuz the only way i couldve thought to attack them would seem a bit too bitchy imo and i dont wanna be mean

i just mostly felt bad for them ;-;

Oh yeah, and if any of you all use discord, feel free to join the cow level -- https://discord.gg/HUDmCZB -- just an informal mafia server, not the official one

(I'm passing out right now so hopefully none of the regulars there traumatize you)

Really great list and I'd be happy to play with any of you again <3

will you hate it if i join

[marcistar]

@ meuh

LOL I FOUND A TREND IN MY GAMES SO FAR

1) im always vt
2) the second i get sused i lose all motivation