Newbie 2054 - GAME OVER

[Harumi Ayasato]

VOTE: eth0s because I can't tell if you're someone I know or not.

[Harumi Ayasato]

VOTE: haruhi ayasato

Hi there! My side quest for day 1 is to make sure everyone has an avatar! If there's any images you like I can help resize them or if you need other help setting up an avatar let me know!

Alright, feel free to help Haru

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i Ayasato with their avatar. Is there anything I can help you with?

[Harumi Ayasato]

I googled her

Harumi Gif avatar version 1:

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Harumi Static avatar version 1:

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Harumi Static avatar version 2:

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Any of those work for you?

I'll take Static 1. Will throw it up as soon as possible.

ace attorney best game

We're going to beat the Mafia with the power of friendship, aren't we. ._______.

All in favor of town PR claims being presented as transformation sequences when the time comes to do that?

I also townread both of kazyan's posts so far.

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I have no objections to any of this.

[Harumi Ayasato]

Does anyone else find the constant use of emoticons to come off as insincere, or is it just me?

[Harumi Ayasato]

Alright, let me make a read list. This format may be a bit odd to you guys but ppl used it in other games i've played so...

TTT = Confirmed town
TT = Strong town read
T = Town read
/T = Town lean
/ = Neutral
/M = Mafia lean
M = Mafia read
MM = Strong mafia read
MMM = Confirmed mafia
Nothing = player has provided no input

Kazyan (/T)

Good vibes!

marcistar (/T)

Seems to be contributing to the discussion, messages aren't scummy.

Cantripmancer (/)

Not much input, and the input felt a bit odd.

Harumi Ayasato (/)

Talked a bit but didn't do anything to warrant a townlean

2ndchosen1 ()

Nothing yet

ItalianoVD (/T)

Contributing, messages look like a townie's

eth0s ()

Just voted and left.

Krazy (/T)

Actively contributing, making sure convo happens , but is experienced, so could easily be just be playing as they always do. Plus some of these messages look like they may be trying to pocket Marci? Not a huge deal, but still something I noticed.


After a certain point, inactivity becomes scummy, but this game just started.

Not terribly AI but I see little point in doing a readslist in page three of a mafia game. They don't really add anything this early.

[Harumi Ayasato]

VOTE: 2ndchosen1
You’re turn.

OMG YOUR SPELLING IS AWFUL POLICY EXECUTE THIS IMMEDIATELY THIS CANNOT BE FORGIVEN!!!!!!1!!11!!!

Does anyone else find the constant use of emoticons to come off as insincere, or is it just me?

What’s your definition of constant? And myself, meuh, and Marcistar all used them, so we’re all insincere?

Well there are quite a few posts which have emoticons literally almost every line, which I guess strikes me the wrong way??? I don't know, it's probably just me.

[Harumi Ayasato]

At this point, I'd probably say I'm scumleaning on Harumi, because they're keeping up their pattern of messages being either memeing, or talking how they don't like an aspect of someone else's gameplay. I'd like more meaningful contribution.

Can't exactly say I didn't have this coming.

I don't think we need to keep up the emoticon debate since at this point it's clear we're not learning from it. If it helps, I was just talking about the use of them in general.

Krazy seemed pretty eager to jump on Italiano for something that seems really minor, and I also don't like how he responded to the memey part of 62 without responding to the non-memey part. Going to keep an eye on him.
As for Italiano himself, I'm kind of getting town vibes? Hard to tell though.
Kazyan looks pretty eager to hunt scum but that's probably just a playstyle thing.
Most of the others haven't really gotten my attention yet, so that's just my thoughts right now.

[Harumi Ayasato]

I made the memey part to meme. I didn't intend for it to have any actual meaning, or to reflect my opinion on anything.

[Harumi Ayasato]

@harumi, No take on marci or meuh yet?

Can you expand on your kazy read a bit?

I've already expressed my opinion on meuh's tierlist and the emoticon usage but other than that they haven't really done anything to get my attention.

Kazy has only posted seventeen times, and quite a few of them are non-substantive, but the few that are seem to be rather focused on calling people out for things he perceives as scummy. This is probably just a playstyle thing, but it makes me wonder.

[Harumi Ayasato]

Kazy has only posted seventeen times, and quite a few of them are non-substantive, but the few that are seem to be rather focused on calling people out for things he perceives as scummy. This is probably just a playstyle thing, but it makes me wonder.

You know what, yeah, this is a good take. I have been doing a lot of jabbering and pecking. I'm thinking of casing Krazy, since they've said enough to possibly develop a stronger read on them. Does that sound good to you?

The way you worded that gave me false association vibes, but yeah, that'd be appreciated. It'd give us more to go off of.

[Harumi Ayasato]

I figured I’d wait a little longer...until page 5 to give them more time, but Harumi, you still haven’t answered my question. Who specifically were you talking about when you posted your emoji comment?

She kinda did:

Well there are quite a few posts which have emoticons literally almost every line, which I guess strikes me the wrong way??? I don't know, it's probably just me.

Basically, she didn't mean anyone specifically, afaik -- is this a correct take, Harumi?

Why don’t you let her speak for herself. And kinda did is not answering.

This wasn't "kind of", it

was

the answer. I was not referring to anyone in particular, I just noticed that multiple people were doing it and commented on it.

[Harumi Ayasato]

This wasn't "kind of", it was the answer. I was not referring to anyone in particular, I just noticed that multiple people were doing it and commented on it.

So then I

was

right in saying you thought all of us using emojis were insincere. In and of itself, it wasn’t that serious. I simply asked a question and expected a simple answer. If the question was just answered in a simple way instead of the vague way you did, I don’t think it would have been as drawn out as it was. Kraft getting involved didn’t help either. So I don’t know if you are purposely being vague/difficult or you are just scum and don’t wanna open up. Either way it doesn’t help me sort your slot, so until I feel better about you...
VOTE: Harumi Ayasato

I'm pretty sure this was a miscommunication. Maybe the other players can vouch for the clarity of my response on this one?

Harumi

im kinda not vibing with, but thats probably because their reads seem so noncommittal to me.

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im sorry if this seems mean i dont wanna seem mean

what i mean is,
This is because a quick skim of Harumis messages i seemed to have skimmed over their reads (their reads dont rlly stand out as

reads

), but when i looked and saw 76 i saw reads in that post. Looking at the reads, it seems like "krazy seems town

buuuut maybe..

" "italiano seems town

buuut maybe..

" and "kazyan might be town

but maybe

" (that is what i mean by noncommittal.. they seem so unconfident with those reads. To me, it gave the impression they dont really want any backlash?

This is probably just me instinctively hedging, since I'm usually not willing to present something as an absolute truth unless I know for sure it is.

[Harumi Ayasato]

For example:

Random thought, but even if I'm wrong on one of them, Meuh and Harumi are never ever scum together after Meuh has committed herself to use the sunglasses emote in every post after Harumi's emotes complaint post

It could

totally

be Meuh and Harumi. Something something newbie scum like Day 1 distancing, something something WIFOM.

This, and the post before it, uh. Seems a bit odd.
The whole thing about the conspiracy seems a bit jokey but I can’t tell for sure. This post makes it seem legit though.
Speaking of which, bringing up WIFOM in this situation is counterproductive because WIFOM can explain anything.
It’d probably be better to determine which are more likely (and I doubt Krazy

literally

meant 100% certainty.)

[Harumi Ayasato]

This, and the post before it, uh. Seems a bit odd.
The whole thing about the conspiracy seems a bit jokey but I can’t tell for sure. This post makes it seem legit though.
Speaking of which, bringing up WIFOM in this situation is counterproductive because WIFOM can explain anything.
It’d probably be better to determine which are more likely (and I doubt Krazy

literally

meant 100% certainty.)

I know WIFOM can explain everything--that's why I'm having such a hard time forming reads, because I haven't played enough games to know how to deal with it. I know the principle is looking at probabilities, but I don't have the experience to judge that--my previous attempt at ruling out unlikely situations in Mini Normal 2187 went down exactly the wrong path, because I genuinely can't tell what's unlikely, especially when the scum can watch us think and move to outsmart us.

In short, as one of Nexus's intro posts says, Mafia is hard.

I think the best tip of advice I can give is to not overthink. If applying theory to everything is making your head explode, feel free to just scan for what you find suspicious. Ignore WIFOM unless there's good reason to suspect it.

[Harumi Ayasato]

I'm noticing that Meuh's last three posts have almost exclusively been justifying their actions. I'd like them to quickly reiterate who they believe their top candidate for elimination is today, as well as their reason.

[Harumi Ayasato]

@Harumi what are your reads on 2nd and me?

I'll prepare an ISO read of both of you when I get the chance (which is not now).

[Harumi Ayasato]

I don't believe that the chainsaw defense really applies here, due mainly to the fact that Meuh can essentially say "you're voting for me, I am scumreading 2nd who had a wagon, therefore you're chainsawing" which is as ridiculous as it sounds. For that matter, the wiki page itself (

which you quoted

) says that it's a null tell without flips (i.e. now).

I do agree with Kazyan that Meuh is inconsistent with their votes, and seems to be very manipulative with how apologetic they are when called out.
Your read on eth0s also implies that you think people voting for you is scummy, which I don't really agree with.

So not looking super good right now. Let's see about 2nd.

[Harumi Ayasato]

2nd hasn't posted as much as Meuh, but it's hard for me to point out anything specifically wrong with them. I'm just getting a bad feeling regarding them, like they're not being sincere.
So I'm going to VOTE: Meuh for now, but 2nd is going on my PoE.

[Harumi Ayasato]

This might come off as a tad evasive but it's a bit difficult to do a full iso read when five pages show up overnight

My rough readlist would have to be as follows:

{Krazy}
{Kazyan}
{alisae, cantripmancer, italiano, 2ndchosen} - I know I said I didn't like 2nd but I took another look and I've decided I might have been suffering from confirmation bias. Still a null for me though.
{Marcistar} - bit skittish and defensive which I don't like, but it's probably a playstyle thing so eh.
{meuh}

[Harumi Ayasato]

im not super confident in harumi being scum, but out of everyone she seems the most scummy.

when i looked at chosens posts it looks like defending themself, which i dont rlly see anything wrong in them..? i cant see whats scummy about them at all..? i think they're just an easy push for some people to make (from what i understand they were scum their last game..? i havent read it at all, but if they were scum last of their games, u guys seem to be not giving much of a chance this time to them..?)

vs harumi who i think doesnt rlly have a level of confidence.. idk but i thought in newbie games i thought scum would be more nervous..? i think her not having confidence = shes nervous = shes scum...

i also have thought about other possible votes i could make but i dont think it would be very uhh... have very good logic behind it?
im so bad at carrying im sorry

Here's an example. You seem very committed to this read.

What are your thoughts on me right now?

[Harumi Ayasato]

EBWOP: NON-committed

[Harumi Ayasato]

Honestly it isn't looking super good since we don't have any solid kill candidates at any point

Not much coming from me, since I made the mistake signing up for two games, and this game is very active so it's hard for me to keep up with it.

Kinda starting to loosen up on Meuh though since their latest posts seem productive, so marcistar is probably my candidate for now but that's really tentative.

VOTE: Marcistar

[Harumi Ayasato]

Trip I won't snaphammer so you can still vote chosen if you so desired

harumi remind me of your chosen read? Also what do you think of alisae so far?

I had initial bad vibes but I decided that it was probably just me rather than anything actually scummy from them.

I don't like Alisae's hyperposting, because it's my opinion that hyperposting is antitown because town should want everyone's viewpoints. Not too much from them otherwise though, especially since eth0s did nothing.

[Harumi Ayasato]

Alright, seems like there's a general agreement that it's either me or chosen? And since chosen isn't claiming for ????? reasons and since most of my top scumreads have no chance of being lynched, I'm going to go ahead and go to them now.

INTENT TO HAMMER - CLAIM NOW

[Harumi Ayasato]

Italiano, you want to massclaim when you have a massive lead over wolves because massclaiming is really great at accelerating leads.
This is especially holds true in more larger games.
I think our lead is strong enough that it should be fine to accelerate it w/ massclaim, but to be safe I asked Krazy if he thought it was fine because he's probably more familiar with newbie games than I am

Yeah I get this, it just seems unnecessary in this game. We've caught one scum. If we go under the premise that no one bussed then Chosen's partner is/was offwagon, which leaves Marci, Harumi, and Cantrip and I'm sure we'll be able to sort it. Massclaims make more sense when there is a larger game as you mentioned and there are more roles involved, but like I said I'm down for it. I feel good that town will win this one.

Don't forget that I was planning to hammer, but someone beat me to it.

I'm going to wait to give a readslist until we decide for sure whether or not we're massclaiming because that seems to be something that hasn't been decided yet. (For the record, I wasn't FNed.)

Marci, since you seem to be scumreading me based off of vibes, who would you say is your top scumread?

[Harumi Ayasato]

You make a good point. I'll get mine ready; while I do that, why don't you share yours?

[Harumi Ayasato]

My scumreads are currently marci (insists that I am scum without much reasoning--could be newish behavior but I don't think so), and alisae (hyperposting which is bad, claims that "the game is over" but doesn't feel the need to explain why).

[Harumi Ayasato]

Ah, yes, the classic "Vote Someone With No Explanation Whatsover", just as my internet pulls the "Nightkill My Productivity For An Entire Afternoon With No Explanation Whatsoever". Coincidence? I think not! fuhuhuhuhuhuhu

Anyways, Italiano I'd have to reread so as not to mix up my interactions with them in another game. Cantrip I'm really not liking now because of that post though.

[Harumi Ayasato]

I definitely agree harumi has been gnomic with her pov and reads but today has been oddly kinda slow given where we're at, I was expecting a much more motivated town for today

I'm a fucking idiot who doesn't know what "gnomic" means, please enlighten me.

[Harumi Ayasato]

You're not a "fucking idiot" don't say that about yourself!

Gnomic is a rather uncommonly used word, but it means:
expressed in or of the nature of short, pithy maxims or aphorisms.
/
enigmatic; ambiguous.

basically it's hard to follow your thought process sometimes because you don't really fully explain what you seem to be thinking

You're right. I'm not a fucking idiot, I'm merely a flipping idiot.

Good to know, thought it was an MS term. Thanks.

[Harumi Ayasato]

I'm going to go ahead and claim VT since it seems like a hammer on me is imminent. So if you want to go and kill a PR, look elsewhere.

Also, VOTE: Cantrip. Should've done that earlier, since he's my top scumread. I already stated my reasons last page so feel free to look at those.

WARNING: E-1

[Harumi Ayasato]

You aren't usually told that you're roleblocked, but if you would get some feedback normally but don't because you were roleblocked, you're told that your action was blocked.

[Harumi Ayasato]

I guess I can stop being ambiguous. I know for a fact we are in row 1. We are looking at a goon or a roleblocker.

Alright, what are your cop reads?

[Harumi Ayasato]

I don't like how Krazy is trying to push for a kingmaker situation, especially with how blatant it is now.