Mini Theme 2194 : Draft Mafia | Endgame

[VFP]

Hello.

So I read the game last night, and this is what I come up with.

Gamma is town, Math has kept that up.
Mastina is town
Pizza Trio are town, with a bumpy road getting there
Tris was scum, NPOM was scum, Unwnd by default goes as scum.
Ice was null, Willow was town and A50 is no change.
Pooky by default should be scum. I have a few reasons that shout town at me so I'm hardstuck knowing. Need a carry.
BBmolla is town maybe and just the scum decoy. Although not a stroger town choice.
Toog by default scum? I don't think scum actions as much but a case of keeping it safe this game. Nothing that stands out.
NM can be anything

Basically, I spent the entire read wanting lynch Tris slot as I progressed.

I'm happy to discuss where I'm wrong and why.
However, where my vote goes is on Unwnd, I'm just going to clarify something.

[VFP]

So I wanted to get clarification if I was still a double voter, which I am. Until
Also, I'm now aware that the term is eliminated or lim which I'll use going forward

With that said, I'm not voting yet as I believe Unwnd is E-3 but this is where my vote will be.

[VFP]

Actually scratch that I was on the wrong day with the vote count.
I'll still wait with the voting regardless though.

[VFP]

So I liked 932 and this is one of the posts where I started read the Pizza Trio as more town.
This also factors in my opinion that Unwnd is scum. The fact that NPOM and Tris are in this together just suggests to me that Unwnd and Pizza Trio won't be mafia together.
The only counter I see to that is day 2 it can look that NPOM is happy to divert away from a Pizza Trio (which if the case, makes my top view void) although given the reasoning not too strong.
1131is after the only 2 votes being on Pizza Trio. I get there's a reason in practice to this vote and this entire part of the game is the only point from that slot that prevents me from demanding a result. The problem is, it can easily be fishing to going along with the tide to see what happens.
It's the vote after though, when the traction is there 1217 the voting comes out. But the comment that peaks me is 1208. This post implies that NPOM is pushing Flea (Unless I mis read/understand it?). Where? At what point is NPOM pushing this? No vote or pressure this way but the post and vote seem confident to go here.

[VFP]

Ah okay I thought my votes weren't on but I mis read when they were placed.
I'm happy to keep these on Unwnd.

The Pizza Trio votes are just a grasp at staws. I don't see BBmolla pushing this as scum with Unwnd though.
Outside of 'lurking' what's makes Pizza trio scum here?

[VFP]

:/

I don’t think Unwnd is scum I’d rather go A50 over unwnd

Run me through why A50.

[VFP]

Do I know you?? (I am assuming "no change" means "also town", thus the question. Disregard if you meant "nothing yet")

I mean nothing yet to make me think town or scum, so no change on the slot read as a whole.

[VFP]

Those are all literally all town and if they're not then this isn't my game to win

I just realized Tris/NPOM/Me is all one slot

Jesus mastina you really just don't give a fuck about this do you

I've never been a fan of this kind of play.
I don't believe that you did not know that NPOM and Tris are the same slot as you.

But I'll bite here, who did you think replaced Tris and what makes Tris appear town? I won't mention NPOM in this part as you've acknowledged plenty of times that you replaced this slot.

[VFP]

Okay, but who did you think Tris replaced before 1697?
You were confident enough to put Tris hardstuck town without realising it was your slot, so you obviously took the time to read them?

[VFP]

Okay, unwnd is just looking like scum giving up at this point. You can't say that someone is literially town then claim they aren't hardstuck town for you.
This just goes back to my original though, I don't believe unwnd didn't know that Tris was their slot, and most likely trying to get credit with calling them town.

Maybe BBmolla is scum too. Appears to be happy with options away from unwnd while ignoring the discussion to it.
It could be that all the scum are currently on Pizza Trio.

I'm open for discussion though to why my vote is currently wrong and anyone else's is right. I want to convince you just as much as you should be convincing me at this stage.

[VFP]

It could be that all the scum are currently on Pizza Trio.

No, this would be pretty dumb and make no sense at this stage.

[VFP]

Those are

all literally all town

and if they're not then this isn't my game to win

But you did call them town. Regardless to what you are saying in the posts after, you said that all the names Mastina listed were

literally

town.
The fact your follow up was saying you just realised that it was the same slot strongly suggests this wasn't just a reaction to Mastina. So lets put that to a stop right there because I can see what you are trying to pull right now.

[VFP]

Well I'm not looking to push to point where you get overwelhmed on anger regardless on your alignment, so I'll leave that point there. I am still voting you though as I think you are most likely flipping scum here.

But I'm also still open for discussion on why I should vote with you.
Outside of activity levels, why is Pizza Trio a good vote?

[VFP]

Also, lets revisit who will also be scum with Pizza Trio in your mind.

And if Pizza Trio flips town, are the associates the same?

[VFP]

Happy birthday Math!

Good shit Pooky.
I can see why you think I'm scum but I'm not. Being wrong doesn't just mean scum though.
So for me Pooky is going hardstuck town. Toog close and Math I'm still thinking town.

I'm going to go over a few things and voice who I favour from the other 4. However, as a double voter I'll most likely just be making Pooky a triple voter.

[VFP]

I mis remembered the hider role.
That is an odd one then but I don't think there's any need to push who or what caused the kill at this stage.

[VFP]

BBmolla looks very town from ISO after the last 2 flips.
I'm back to thinking town here.

Yesterday's voting high indicated that scum was in Pizza or unwnd. It stalled out with plenty of options to just end it earlier.
Makes me wonder why A50 visited NM, as NM wouldn't seem like an optimal kill / visit from scum. Same kind of argument with town visits I feel like too, justr weaker.

@A50 - What's your thought process on picking NM there?

[VFP]

So for me the final 2 scum are in NM / A50 / BBmolla / mastina

And 2 in this list is just pointing at BBmolla as scum, which just makes me think there's at least 1 scum in mastina and NM.
Unless it's just simply A50 and BBmolla, I guess.
(I still think BBmolla looks more town than not for the record).

@A50

who's on your radar?

@NM

Is A50 still the other scum or are you else where now?

[VFP]

What did you do last night?

I did a bus drive on you and BBmolla. The roleblock if true was intended for you.
I cant see a way that my action caused or assisted in a kill on Mafia Pizza.

[VFP]

Unless Pizza directs one of you 2 to Pizza and scum kill the other.
I'm not sure what the benefit here would be so I doubt it, but would make you both town.

[VFP]

I did lay out a theory that "half-solves" the puzzle. It does not explain why Pooky is still alive though. That's the one bit that is confusing me the most. If pizza did hit a PGO though that also solves the problem (but that was brought up by Pooky as I forgot to t5ake the Hider into account)

In Sum: Mathblade & BBM were Busdriven. Scum shot BBM & blocked Math, thus the actions resolved as shooting Math and blocking BBM. As mastina inteded to Babysit BBM the Babsit was on you (Math) thus the NK was blocked. As for pizza, they tried to redirect X unto Y, but one of the two was PGO and that's how pizza died, and since pizza wasn't actually targeted with a kill Pooky survived.

...That actually makes a bit more sense.
The wording is "if their target dies as a result of an active killing action (e.g. a factional kill or Vigilante shot)"

[VFP]

Obviously A50, N_M, VFN, BBM, Math, mastina, Pooky are NOT the PGO. That leaves Toog & Shadowslug (who?) as the only 2 candidates. It's important to know because whoever was PGO last night is also conf!Town

I replaced Shadow.

[VFP]

I read it, but half of it is meta so nothing to really contribute on this side to it.

[VFP]

I still think Toog is town here.
What was the out come to mastinas post?

[VFP]

Reading you try and work this out hurts my head.
All I know is I'm going to find it hard to call Pooky scum here, Math and BBmolla most likely town just from what happened last night.
Toog most likely town.

I'm concerned with A50 who wanted to put no effort into the game and then looks worried when getting votes.

[VFP]

I'm concerned with A50 who wanted to put no effort into the game and then looks worried when getting votes.

No effort = Town carry me? YES
No effort = OK to get mis-lim'd? NO

Maybe my wording was off then. You seem disinterested in the game, until you had votes on you.

[VFP]

Just tell me where I should be voting I guess.

@Math

[VFP]

I did use some meta; the point about me not nightkilling as scum is entirely self-meta, and there was one point which was literally called self-meta, and just as Pooky has a meta of "I never bus on D1 as scum" as proof for him being conftown I have a "I never lie about my role as scum" meta for confing my claim as real, but the majority of my arguments stand even without meta.

Without meta I don't see how any of this post is where I should be convinced enough on you to make an align choice?

If you are scum, you could be scum with anyone currently alive. The argument of pushing someone as scum could be added. I'm sure meta will prove me wrong on this with you, but we are not involving meta.

The next part is assuming that you didn't lie about your night action. That just says you could have been telling the truth. The fact there's no counter here to say so, and I doubt Toog wouldn't counter claim that by now does give credit, but that information was already in the game.

The last part is speculation.

You wouldn't even be in my top 3 lims right now for the record, I want to make that clear. I just want to respond and show that your post makes little impact on my thinking of your alignment, which I believe is mainly due to not knowing your meta or because anything that would change my mind I already knew.

[VFP]

Because you are conf!Town to me

I'm basically on the same spot with having you hardstuck, Math.
If you're scum we have already lost anyway.
Same for Pooky, I just don't see myself ever voting there.

[VFP]

Can you explain your Pooky town read?
I don’t get it.

It's mainly the push on Pizza Trio, and that Pizza Trio responses concerning Pooky doesn't feel like team mates.
And after Pooky posted about Noraa directly from the Pizza Trio the posts from Nora (or what I assume to be) seem aggitted, then to a point of just not responding and leaving Infinity to lead.

The only way I can see Pooky as scum here is basically the only way people can see me as scum here.
Pooky kills Pizza Trio as they know that they are the next day lim and claims to be hider encase of a night action showing the visit.
But as I said, same could be said about me here. I kill Pizza Trio, claim I did the Bus driver action.

I feel that play is more harmful than good though to scum. It would be better to push the lim the next day and night target within the harder future lims.

[VFP]

Unless scum were worried about the bus driver role after Shadow said about it................................
But even so, a no kill would seem better than killing Pizza without gaining the credit for doing so.

[VFP]

I guess let’s do this

Who wants Molla
Who doesn’t want Molla

Not my first choice.

[VFP]

Why did you want to know who Tris was?

[VFP]

Feels like I'm back to playing the longing.

[VFP]

So last night I transported mastina and Toog.
Oddly enough because I suspected Toog to be scum after more thought and felt mastina would have been the NK choice.

Unless anyone wants to claim to have blocked me or cause anything to interfere with my bus driving, Toog should be confirmed town here.
Math still isn't scum and is hardstuck town still.

Scum is within A50, nm and Pooky then.
So what's interesting about this kill is Toog would be the safer option over mastina and Math.
Also the only 2 reasons I can see me not being killed to prevent night action Tom foolery here a) confident in pushing me today b) I wasn't a threat to scum with reads.
I think it is B.

So unless I'm wrong on what activated first, given that Pizza was most likely getting the lim the next day, its probably that the divertor was put from BBmolla to Pizza, bus driver then swaps Pizza and Math, Pooky makes the kill and then claims hider encase of a track role.
This explains no hider action happening and the kill on Pizza.

It's also possible that Toog was a threat to not reveal the power yesterday, but I don't see Scum being overly worried here over me, Math and mastina regardless of what they have.

VOTE: Pooky

[VFP]

In what world do I bus drive mastina and Toog, attack Toog and hope that they have something to confirm my bus drive, instead of just not bus driving or bus driving different targets?

So legit either Toog who has a roleblock ability and just went with my post saying who I bus drived. Blocked me, killed mastine.
Or Math is actually scum here? Knowing I wouldn't bus drive there.

UNVOTE: Pooky

[VFP]

Dude...the no kill N2

I am the cause. No way I am scum here

Could have easily prevented it for credit?
This is what you are basically saying from me being confirmed transporting Toog and mastina while mastina dies, right? That I bus drive them just in hopes of Toog to say they were bus drived?

[VFP]

VOTE: A50

Okay lets see if it's over.
I'm just too tilted now to go through the day.

I'm not sure why I ever pass what I did to Math if I'm scum here.........................

[VFP]

Hopefully.
Seeing what happened Night 3 is what I'm mostly interested.

[VFP]

My double vote doesn't work in those situations.
But hey, I'm probably scum here anyway if it goes on.

[VFP]

VFP's lies made me check the mod PT in stress one or two times yeah lol

This wasn't so much as of a lie, but more I was back and fourth on swapping Math Pizza / Math BBmolla in my mind.
I thought I ended with Math BBmolla but obviously I didn't.

[VFP]

What part?
I said my vote wouldn't work in MyLo stage?

Which is the same as ExeLo I assume?

[VFP]

My double vote doesn't work in those situations.

I never really spoke about when my double vote worked though?
Anything I didn't disclose would have purely been so scum didn't know.

[VFP]

I don't see where but if I did it wouldn't have been intentional. I don't want to lie as town standards.

Thanks for the game though and credit to nm plus a few others who did well. My reads were pretty atrocious but I've been away for about 2 years so I didn't expect anything out of it.