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In post 1733, Dunnstral wrote:That self hammer while being a neapolitan was kind of gross. Why not just claim?
HmmmmIn post 1745, maxwell wrote:
Just absolutely unbelievable. I guess no one actually asked him to claim, but I would have assumed he'd have claimed if he was something important, not selfhammering as a goddamn neapolitan. Killed any desire to reread the game on my part.In post 1733, Dunnstral wrote:That self hammer while being a neapolitan was kind of gross. Why not just claim?
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Nearly all of her posts feel forced to me, and I didn't like their entire stance on elements was pretty yucky.
It reads to me looking for something to push, and besides all that, I don't see a whole lot of pressure on her at that point in time and she just... disappeared.
Just got to the replacement, gonna try and keep an open mind but ehhh....
I could maybe follow you on dun, idk
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Hey! I wasn't even in the game at this point!In post 623, VP Baltar wrote:
ur mom is a lazy wagonIn post 617, RLotus wrote:
Such a lazy wagon, not interested personallyIn post 612, VP Baltar wrote:Since we are slowly grinding to a standstill here without much original line of thought, I propose we just run Dunn to L-1 and force a claim.- Momrangal
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The Amish tell is when the replacement show's high levels of awareness of what their predecessor is doing while not having much of a handle of the game state. Its more than just bad mouthing the predecessor and the tell includes seemingly notable opinion on what their predec was doing. The idea is that scum are most likely going to iso their predecessor to see how messed up they areIn post 1756, Dunnstral wrote:So the amish tell is when you badmouth your predecessors actions, but that's not what you do here
So, yes. You were getting ready to make a push against me with the amish tell in mind
I already stated, it was a joke on the amish tell itself. I was introduced to it in the first game I had repped into, which was pretty heavy in replacements. The game was dark souls, and from memory, baltazar was the one who used the tell in that gameIn post 1771, Andresvmb wrote:
Hey Mom. I want the same as Dunn actually - some sort of explanation as to why you thought Battle Mage’s posts were Scummy. Because I actually didn’t agree.In post 1748, Momrangal wrote:Hi andres~- Momrangal
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LololololIn post 1855, Dunnstral wrote:
Well if you say so, then that must be correct. Thanks, I wasn't aware I was doing thatIn post 1849, Momrangal wrote:So, yes. You were getting ready to make a push against me with the amish tell in mind
Ok, ok fine. I'll take a atep back- Momrangal
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I'm just as fresh as you, I've barely posted. What pings me as town specifically?In post 1890, Cookie Monster wrote:Momrangal - Players beforehand yes were a little scummy but I think I like this slot for a low town lean atm- Momrangal
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I wanna hear more about this elementsIn post 1088, Elements wrote:if there somehow isn't scum in <RTP, GC, VB> mafia are having a field day- Momrangal
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I'm not sure but I recalled (and correctly) that you were one of the few who defended me on rep in. You also immediately tagged on the amished tell there and completely ignored it here. I get the sense that you could make a read of it, successfully did it there but isn't paying mind to it here.
I don't like your attacks on Dunn and duchess, and feel lukewarm on your read on lotus.
Regarding Koba, you appealed to them and asked them to help you out, in figuring out if you were simply tunneled here but I didn't see a response to their answer- Momrangal
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I find it difficult to beleive that a person entirely forgets a tell they used to use once upon a time BUT I guess I could give you the benefit of the doubt.
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Give me a mo on VP, Dunn largely amounts to gut and rough meta. Mostly, I don't see the scumgenda in the way he's engaged with Baltar and also myself.- Momrangal
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Looking at the case VP has on Max, I'm not sure VP ties their mindsets so closely like this as partners. At the same time, he is giving both town reasons and scum reasons for him so it may be a way to defend him without really defending him but having a bit of an out maybe if max flips scum. I feel like interaction wise they are unlikely to be partners but the case makes me question the lack of possible scum theater here
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Do you think elements' vote is scummy?In post 1923, maxwell wrote:Depressingly, don't think so, they appear to be a gimmick alt, not really expecting anything useful from them in terms of content.
I don't really have thoughts on the argument between datisi and andres, they don't look like scum to me, still think midwaybear is scummy.
It kind of comes across that way to me. Cookie could be an alt, but if they are an actual noob, it seems like LHF
I am mostly focusing on this interaction between the two of them. On VPs end, it looks like genuine solving and on Max's end it looks like it could he possible buddyingIn post 1932, maxwell wrote:
I don't think the kneejerk reaction is inherently scummy, no, and their explanation for the vote that came after you made this post isIn post 1924, VP Baltar wrote:
Do you think elements' vote is scummy?In post 1923, maxwell wrote:Depressingly, don't think so, they appear to be a gimmick alt, not really expecting anything useful from them in terms of content.
I don't really have thoughts on the argument between datisi and andres, they don't look like scum to me, still think midwaybear is scummy.
It kind of comes across that way to me. Cookie could be an alt, but if they are an actual noob, it seems like LHFfine, but I'm having a hard time finding real scumreads this game
And this one doesn't really feel like partner interactions however it could be. For them to be partners, it would have to be the ultimate theater but I also think that they are individually scummy. It's either TvS or TvT but I think the former is more likely than the latteeIn post 1972, VP Baltar wrote:
The point of lurking is that there is never an especially convincing case to make, right?In post 1971, maxwell wrote:
What is the crux of your case, exactly? As far as I can tell, it's that Dunn didn't vote Italiano and made a useless vote on midwaybear near the end of the day. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't really townread Dunn, but that's not...especially convincing?In post 1962, Datisi wrote:
i wasn't arguing as if the "lol why am i still top wagon" is the crux of my dunn case anyway.In post 1959, midwaybear wrote:His vote on me is fine for the reasons he gave, but it is more of an interpretation thing that I don't want to get in an argument about. I hope he will see that I am town soon enough.
i am not actually sure what the above quote means? like yeah it's an interpretation thing and you agreed w me, no?- Momrangal
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Great. Anything useful to add?In post 2146, maxwell wrote:
I don't think scum fake-claims neighborizer without a target, no, because thatwould be completely stupid. The skepticism was excessive but probably not coming from a scum mindset.In post 2145, Andresvmb wrote:
How was I flailing wildly against the claim by GC exactly? So you thought that claiming Neighborizer but hiding the identity of their target N1 was reasonable?In post 2142, maxwell wrote:Andres flailing wildly against the claim is probably not scum- Momrangal
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In post 1050, VP Baltar wrote:
This is literally from 30 or so pages ago. Are you asking me if I think you both could be scum now or then?In post 1025, Duchess wrote:I thought of a way to make this real easy for you, VP.
Let me be more to-the-point. Are you saying you're suspicious of us both being scum? If that's what this means then that's the answer to my question, and I don't understand your aversion to having that on record in your ISO. Otherwise I have no idea what you're getting at and I need an explanation.In post 491, Duchess wrote:
Makes you suspicious of what exactly?In post 329, VP Baltar wrote:GC also felt a bit townie, but the aggression on both sides of that dispute makes me suspicious.
When I wrote it, I was saying that the aggression coming from each of you pinged me because it was so heightened for early game. As I said the first time you asked me this, the question for me was whether the aggression you guys were putting out was real or manufactured, and if the latter, who was manufacturing it? This was all in the answer you got originally and I don't know what you are confused about.
You're being similarly aggressive throughout this line of questioning. Saying things like "you probably don't want this in your ISO", when you're just having me repeat the same fucking answer you got on page 14.In post 1051, VP Baltar wrote:
Lol oh really.In post 1022, Duchess wrote:Let me make something clear: you are the one putting emphasis on the "caught". I said I caught them online like how you catch the last half of your favourite movie on Showtime, or when you tell a friend you'll catch 'em later. For some reason you are latching onto that detail and running a mile with it, making it out like I claimed to have caught Al Capone.
Here is the heart of your statement in Post 989.
You write several sentences about this fight with elements and how you had him on the ropes, and WHY OH WHY DIDN'T VP CONSIDER THAT WHEN HE TALKED TO RTP!!!!![Elements] fled when I caught them online and addressed them directly after already ignoring 2 of my questions in a row and drawing the ire of my vote, all while continuing to interact with my wagon from the sidelines. Elements has admitted to deliberately ignoring me. I voiced a great deal of frustration about it.
To now say, after I spent a bunch of time looking back at this, that you were actually just telling a friend "catch you later", is complete garbage.
I'm not going to wall war you, so this is the last thing I'm saying on this topic, but you are either tunneled so far up your own ass you won't be seeing daylight until 2050, or your scum who thinks you're going to score cheap points off someone. Either way, you look pretty useless.
Largely, I wasnt fond of the way he is attacking her here when he explicitly stated that she was a null read. There were also a few more in his iso where he is straight up diminishing her value as a person and as a player some examples that caught my eye were these posts.In post 1052, VP Baltar wrote:
Last thing I'll say on this, is this is a hilarious walkback after I pressed you for the actual specifics -- like I asked you for the posts -- you said I missed.In post 1022, Duchess wrote:I continued to try to directly engage Elements and eventually tried to rally for pressure votes. There is only so much you can do on an online forum to get someone's attention. I didn't have any sort of big angry emotional post or anything because I was trying to get them to respond, not scare them out of the thread. But it was extremely frustrating to me in the moment.
Hell, I even said to you I might have missed something!
But when asked what I should have saw beyond a post where you said "elements, post 225", you tell me you didn't actually have any big angry posts I should have seen because you didn't want to scare them out of the thread.
*Farting noises commence*
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It seems a little reachy to me. Duchess made a fair point questioning Elements' reads list.In post 122, Datisi wrote:
do you have an opinion on it?In post 105, VP Baltar wrote:That's a very spicy take indeed.
Duchess probably is reaching on Testa, but her style as town is fairly verbose, so I can see someone being thrown by that. It is all a bit early to tell what is smoke and what is fire.In post 994, VP Baltar wrote:
Boo hoo.In post 989, Duchess wrote:Don't put words in my mouth. I don't like the preemptive defensiveness here one bit.
I'm trying to figure out a reason why town!duchess would make such a wonky and pointless argument.
At the same time, I Isoed VPB now and like, with the most recent claim I'm doing a conditional 180 on their slotIn post 1047, VP Baltar wrote:
Oh this is fascinating. I'm actually enjoying people jumping on me because there are absolutely scum making bad life choices in this mix.In post 1037, Elements wrote:Spoiler:
This is all mis-representation of what Duchess was saying and then completely ignoring Duchess' responses where his points are disproved. He just keeps of with the same line of thought that's just not true.
Duchess' posts are a fucking incoherent mess. Without quoting duchess, I would like you to please tell me the nature of the argument duchess is making and what I'm ignoring about it. I want to see you state this originally, since you say it is very clear.- Momrangal
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Most of what I gleamed when I got to maxwell posts was that he's mostly doing a ton of IIOA, offering a bunch of his opinions on matters but not actually figuring out the mindset. He mostly going "hey guys I'm here!" And I can't even make head or tails on who he actually thinks about the game state and the people in the game- Momrangal
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The manner of which GC claimed and referred to their crumb possibly revealed more than just their individual claim.In post 2169, maxwell wrote:
What on earth does the claim have to do with Baltar?In post 2157, Momrangal wrote:At the same time, I Isoed VPB now and like, with the most recent claim I'm doing a conditional 180 on their slot
Also, your posts absolutely lack analysis so I'll use IIOA. I'm curio to your reaction to it however.
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Her entrance.
Dbg has an agenda while scum and it gets pretty obvious pretty quickly
VOTE: midway
Andre's is the most difficult to really explain at the moment but alot of it has to do the with the way he is pushing slots, and how he is making his reads. I find it extremely unlikely that you claim neighborized the way you did. As a scum neighbor, what is generally the bigger priority is to pocket the said neighbors. I feel like, if you were going to pocket green, you would have claimed to be neighborized sooner way before he was pressured to out who he neighborized.
Dunn is also largely tone. The pushes on him are also pretty shitty and, as scum I think there would be far more resistance to his push and it really isn't there. Dunn is someone who is easy to eliminate as town because of his personality. I really liked the way he knocked he down a peg without discrediting me. The sarcasm he presents in his posts and the way he approaches the game all ring genuine. He isn't pushing anyone in bad faith, his points and arguments are solid, valid and all looks like they are coming from a town perspective- Momrangal
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In post 2716, Andresvmb wrote:In post 2563, Momrangal wrote:I would rather go after actual scum reads but I have zero qualms.
Why are we rushing? When's deadline?
Also dbg is town which is fantastic
Just look at this sequence.In post 2568, Momrangal wrote:Her entrance.
Dbg has an agenda while scum and it gets pretty obvious pretty quickly
VOTE: midway
Andre's is the most difficult to really explain at the moment but alot of it has to do the with the way he is pushing slots, and how he is making his reads. I find it extremely unlikely that you claim neighborized the way you did. As a scum neighbor, what is generally the bigger priority is to pocket the said neighbors. I feel like, if you were going to pocket green, you would have claimed to be neighborized sooner way before he was pressured to out who he neighborized.
Dunn is also largely tone. The pushes on him are also pretty shitty and, as scum I think there would be far more resistance to his push and it really isn't there. Dunn is someone who is easy to eliminate as town because of his personality. I really liked the way he knocked he down a peg without discrediting me. The sarcasm he presents in his posts and the way he approaches the game all ring genuine. He isn't pushing anyone in bad faith, his points and arguments are solid, valid and all looks like they are coming from a town perspective
Why are you pulling this out in vaccum and totally ignoring the fact that one of my town reads asked me to vote someone who was at the bottom of my PoE pool?
I mean I didn't even realize it was the hammer but that doesn't matter. What does is the fact that all your pushes aren't taking the whole scenario into consideration- Momrangal
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DBG
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Max
Lotus
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That's about where I'm standing.
In my mind Max, lotus, Andre's makes the most sense. Max's play is as I already described but the way they defend GC is pretty top tier scum play especially if they are shutting down a theory that scumbuddy Andre's is pushing.
DBG and Dunn are town through how they are both playing and I think going after either of them has a massive amount of scum motivation because at this stage scum need to keep their options open.
The field looks about 3:6 and I thought I saw someone saying that we lose if we miseliminate today and I'm not sure where that came from.
I think we should have everyone else out though just so that we have clarity on what's going on. I think most of what's left is VTs anyway- Momrangal
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And you're still ignoring the fact that my vote was in response to someone I was town reading
You're blowing my vote out of proportion. I feel like everything is being blown out of proportion when it comes to you.
You're a confident player, but you're also one who can admit when they are wrong. You can see two sides of every coin and I don't see an attempt to look at both sides to every slot you're looking at
It all feels black and white with you and I know for a fact that you are not a black and white player so what's going on?
Even in bears you were willing to talk to Norwee as if he had the potential to be town.
In bears you saw me lock-town DBG when everyone else was willing g to push it as scum.
I'm not going to reconsider my read on DBG or dunnstral this game so like, I don't know where else to look.
VPB doesn't make sense as scum with his overall play and everyone else makes no sense as scum with how they have all been approaching and playing the game so if you're town, tell me where I'm wrong because the game is going to be lost and I know you care about that enough to do an entire overhaul on the thread- Momrangal
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Andres, as town is a broad prospective player. He doesn't really tunnel, and he makes alot of probing questions.
These quotes are just a portion of his Iso, but even in these few quotes I feel like it becomes apparent that he has much more depth in his reads. He doesn't even like to push unless hes absolutely sure that hes right and even then he still entertaining how they could be saying those things or doing certain actions from the other perspective,In post 27, Andresvmb wrote:This shows a basic lack of understanding of how probabilities work. But that’s alright.
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Can you explain this actually? I didn’t think Momrangal was white knighting anything.In post 58, NoPowerOverMe wrote:And honestly mom whiteknighting the Miller claim makes me more suspicious - Momrangal
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