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State Farm jingle?In post 10, VP Baltar wrote:Also, what's a friendly neighbor?- ItalianoVD
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I’m a believer. Found me and my scum buddies on day one in Mini theme 2162. Still don’t know how you did that. It was great!In post 37, Elements wrote:
yep, I have good gut readsIn post 32, VP Baltar wrote:
You'd typically have a solid reads list by page 2?In post 31, Elements wrote:normally by this point I'd have a pretty solid read list but I only know three of your so that ain't gonna happen this time- ItalianoVD
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Oh yeah, which one were you? I had a lot of people on that quick wagon, lol.In post 44, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Hey i found u as scum d1 too in chosen maf 799
I don’t know about my partners, but he never played with me.In post 43, VP Baltar wrote:Had elements played with you or your scum buddies before that game?- ItalianoVD
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I’d say so. That was actually a funny/fun game. Players don’t expect to get wagoned/hammered that quick within RVS and I actually lol’d when it happened.In post 53, Green Crayons wrote:so what i'm hearing is that VD is bad at being scum- ItalianoVD
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On this site, just that one time. My entire wolfgame career maybe twice. Why? You tryna see if I’ll be a good mislynch/nightkill?In post 56, VP Baltar wrote:How often do you get yeeted D1 Italiano?- ItalianoVD
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Care to elaborate what you’re thinking here?In post 64, Green Crayons wrote:In post 53, Green Crayons wrote:so what i'm hearing is that VD is bad at being scumIn post 54, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:nahIn post 55, ItalianoVD wrote:I’d say so.- ItalianoVD
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Uh oh... Mindmeld?In post 71, Testarossa wrote:however on the other hand your questions also feel a bit like filler that doesn't really bring too much on the table, but make you look engaged.
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Uh uh. That’s not directly correlated. To me, I’m a bad scum player because I don’t like being scum and have a hard time lying and generally get caught in some way because of it.In post 81, Green Crayons wrote:so in your mind, VD, you're a bad scum player because you were meme quick-eliminated in RVS?- ItalianoVD
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They had those reads on page 1 that game, before anything even started.In post 82, VP Baltar wrote:Turns out Italiano maybe just had a bad game rather than it saying anything about elements.- ItalianoVD
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Okay, so are you townleaning VP?In post 90, Duchess wrote:I dislike Testarossa's post about VP. She comes out looking like she is trying extra hard, putting a lot of thought into the game, maybe an asset to town, but it's far too early in my opinion for any of those points against VP to have come from a genuine ping.
I posted 72 irt to my interaction with VP. Then I went and skimmed back over the page which is why I mentioned 73 and 74 after the fact.In post 90, Duchess wrote:However, I dislike Italiano's subsequent vote even more;it feels opportunistic in its timing, and the reason given ("not taking a chance" on whether or not "you caught me" is a joke) is terrible, as if he didn't want to admit he was piggybacking on Testa's post. I think I will keep my Harumi vote for now, but these two are both on my radar.
Now I don’t have read on Tessaract yet. Mindmelding doesn’t exactly mean anything alignment wise, but I wanted to point it out to see how they responded to it.- ItalianoVD
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Well it sure felt like it. I can’t speak for what they actually and I doubt they’ll go into it, but I posted a couple of RVS style posts and neither of my partners had posted yet. I felt like he had the inside scoop. I did think it was awesome though.In post 110, VP Baltar wrote:
Unless you're saying elements had psychic powers, something clearly pinged themIn post 109, ItalianoVD wrote:
They had those reads on page 1 that game, before anything even started.In post 82, VP Baltar wrote:Turns out Italiano maybe just had a bad game rather than it saying anything about elements.
Nah, can’t say that I have. I’m not sure where to place them yet, but if I had to say, their posts and takes have seemed townie.In post 111, Green Crayons wrote:Have you played with Duchess before?- ItalianoVD
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Okay. So we’re those substantial posts enough to not vote me and why not just discuss them? Probe me, try to find out what I’m thinking.In post 112, Harumi Ayasato wrote:Uh, I just isolated ItalianoVD and despite being relatively active they made like two substantial posts. For lack of any clearly better options, I'm going to VOTE: ItalianoVDVOTE: for now.- ItalianoVD
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Oh wow, I missed this. I actually didn't mind the questioning. I didn't think it was that big a deal. Note of a potential Duchess pocket.In post 133, Green Crayons wrote:
Where did I get that:In post 98, Duchess wrote:
Where did you get that? I'm not sure I like or understand your line of questioning.In post 81, Green Crayons wrote:so in your mind, VD, you're a bad scum player because you were meme quick-eliminated in RVS?
Did you read VD's post that I quoted?
Not sure you like or understand the line of questioning:
Neat. What goal did you have in trying to fence-sit (don't understand & "not sure" if like) undermine a line of questioning that just started?- ItalianoVD
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I mean is it really that uncommon that on Day 1 within 5 pages that this won't be the case with the majority of players?In post 130, Harumi Ayasato wrote:In post 72, ItalianoVD wrote:So VP I’m not sure what you got or were trying to get out of the questions you asked me, but even if 58 is joking, I’m not taking a chance.
VOTE: VP Baltar
These are the two posts, not counting the one you just made.In post 121, ItalianoVD wrote:
Okay, so are you townleaning VP?In post 90, Duchess wrote:I dislike Testarossa's post about VP. She comes out looking like she is trying extra hard, putting a lot of thought into the game, maybe an asset to town, but it's far too early in my opinion for any of those points against VP to have come from a genuine ping.
I posted 72 irt to my interaction with VP. Then I went and skimmed back over the page which is why I mentioned 73 and 74 after the fact.In post 90, Duchess wrote:However, I dislike Italiano's subsequent vote even more;it feels opportunistic in its timing, and the reason given ("not taking a chance" on whether or not "you caught me" is a joke) is terrible, as if he didn't want to admit he was piggybacking on Testa's post. I think I will keep my Harumi vote for now, but these two are both on my radar.
Now I don’t have read on Tessaract yet. Mindmelding doesn’t exactly mean anything alignment wise, but I wanted to point it out to see how they responded to it.
I don't see anything particularly scummy about these but there's a high noise-to-signal ratio right now. I think the best way to resolve this issue is to make this ratio smaller.- ItalianoVD
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That was a joke I mentioned to RTP, wasn't anything serious.In post 167, Duchess wrote:but if I recall correctly there was some discussion just before that time of Italiano possibly being an easy early push, and what I saw pinged me, so I wanted to nip it in the bud.
I gotta say I'm not at all comfortable being in the middle of this Duchess/Green Crayons thing, lol. Like yikes, I don't like what I say to be a basis to read someone else off when it wasn't my intention to do so. If this is theatre please choose something else to fight over and leave me out of it and if you're town then just drop it, it's not that serious.
@Duchess: I already said I didn't have an issue with Green's questioning. Your defense of me pings me more than anything especially this early in the game. And it all seems weird given that I was a FoS for you as posted in 90
VOTE: Duchess
Is there a reason you are so adamant about this?
And just to clarify, my Baltar vote was a reaction test vote, it wasn't really my solidified vote. That there wasn't more reaction to it, ehh I don't know how to feel about it just yet.- ItalianoVD
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I'm sorry, who is pearl fey?In post 165, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:theres a reason i think pearl fey is town but i wanna wait to reveal it to see if that wagon builds cuz i wanna see game state before i out it cuz i think its relatively strong of a reason to townread them.- ItalianoVD
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Other players.In post 180, VP Baltar wrote:Reaction from me or from other players?- ItalianoVD
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Post 98 could be viewed as you trying to defend me fmpov or at the very least interfering with a player trying to sort a slot, which is just as bad. The same can be said for 138 since it piggybacked from 98. Then 141, then in 143 you saidIn post 201, Duchess wrote:Italiano. Please point to exactly where I have defended you.“Italiano himself later explained there is no correlation in post 108which to me read like you were defending me again, using my posts to help your argument. You mentioned me again in 166, again to help solidify your argument. Then again in 167 to justify your push onto Green. For someone not defending someone it sure seems like you are.
Why would you be surprised at someone else’s point of view? The (bolded) here is just wrong and not at all what I’m doing.In post 201, Duchess wrote:I'm surprised that even from your point of viewyou are clinging to GC's false characterization of my push as a defense.
See above.In post 201, Duchess wrote:Your vantage point should make it abundantly clear that I have done absolutely nothing to defend your words or justify your actions.
See above.In post 201, Duchess wrote:So I'm curious about precisely where you are getting the feeling that I am stepping up to bat for you rather than attacking a scumread.
I don’t know, you seemed pretty confident in your read, you even said so at the end of this post.In post 201, Duchess wrote:This early in the game, I know nothing. Nobody knows anything, except for scum.
My question is if I was a FoS, why would you be against a scum push onto me. Green would have been bussing me from your perspective, so what would it matter? For me it seems like you would’ve only done what you did if I was a townlean, otherwise you would have called out the theatre, (which would’ve been weak), but at least it’d be consistent.In post 201, Duchess wrote:So if X looks to be setting up a scumpush against Y, I don't think for a damn second about what my read of Y is, because I have no reason to be so sure of anything that I would let those first impressions and assumptions of Y dictate my assessment of situation X.
I’ve explained why it makes me feel uncomfortable both in 169 and this post. And the thought crossed my mind that it was theatre because I didn’t feel like it was a real argument and had no real footing, but then I thought that maybe the communication is just that bad between you too, either way I wanted both of you to stop talking about it. And since it involved me I had the audacity to say so.In post 201, Duchess wrote:
Can you elaborate on how exactly it makes you uncomfortable and why?In post 169, ItalianoVD wrote:I gotta say I'm not at all comfortable being in the middle of this Duchess/Green Crayons thing, lol. Like yikes, I don't like what I say to be a basis to read someone else off when it wasn't my intention to do so. If this is theatre please choose something else to fight over and leave me out of it and if you're town then just drop it, it's not that serious.
Why is it either theatre or town vs town?
Well as I said since it involves me so I have the right to nip it in the bud.In post 201, Duchess wrote:
So what? I'm not pushing GC for your benefit and I don't need your blessings or permission.In post 169, ItalianoVD wrote:I already said I didn't have an issue with Green's questioning.
Im asking under the mindset that you are defending me and I’m saying you’re push is not a good one because it’s being pushed under a false pretense.In post 201, Duchess wrote:
This is a very strange question. I'm pushing a scumread, which is what you do in the game of mafia. I'll be either right or wrong in the end, but for now I'm quite confident.In post 169, ItalianoVD wrote:Is there a reason you are so adamant about this?- ItalianoVD
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Datisi? 242. Lotus? Not sure.In post 240, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Italiano whats ur read on ppl piling onto u r,?- ItalianoVD
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So you disagree with it? Don't like the wording, etc.?In post 248, Datisi wrote:i was the first vote on duchess, yes. i'm jumping off because i saw something else that i want to chase for now. i am not townreading them. and my scumping on you stems p much solely from your last wallpost.
What's there to say? You know what a counterwagon is. And yeah, you could be. My not sure on Lotus is because he doesn't have as much content and doesn't have many interactions, but he could very well be scum as well.In post 248, Datisi wrote:mind telling me about that counterwagon comment? i see you're "not sure" on lotus. think i'm scum?- ItalianoVD
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@Duchess: I’m not gonna do another wall post because frankly I don’t like doing them, so I don’t know why I did it. I intertwined myself into something I shouldn’t have. 306 opened my eyes a bit. There were some good points that made me think. I had to take a step back and kinda chill. I was too invested and emotional and that’s not optimal town play imo.
@Datisi: I mentioned the counterwagon post because at the time I thought Duchess was scum, so when you and Lotus quickly jumped onto me I figured I was the counterwagon to one of you being scum and partners with Duchess. I’m in a different headspace now than I was then.- ItalianoVD
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I’m not though.In post 363, VP Baltar wrote:
What if Italiano really is just scum here?In post 356, ItalianoVD wrote:Let me take a chill pill for a minute. I read your 306 Duchess. I’ll respond it to it later. Same with you @Datisi wrt 272
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Let me read back over the game tomorrow and I’ll let you know.In post 379, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:italiano who would you vote for if you had to vote somewhere?- ItalianoVD
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I’ve reread the gameIn post 379, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:italiano who would you vote for if you had to vote somewhere?
Limpool {RLotus, Lunar, Green Crayons, Baltar}
Townleaning {RTP, Andres, Duchess??)
Everyone else is pretty null
So what I did irt to the Green/Duchess interaction is I read both sides as different alignments and Duchess was the most likely town between the two. In a t/s connection I couldn’t see Duchess as scum and Green as town. It could be a t/t connection, but after rereading the interaction multiple times, I feel like Duchess was more pure than Green was, so would town . It also isn’t that likely it’s a s/s bus connection on Day 1, so...
VOTE: Green Crayons
Although I’d be okay with anyone within my limpool.- ItalianoVD
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Okay? I never said you were def scum, just in my limpool.In post 417, VP Baltar wrote:I thought I was a reaction test for you, Italiano? I'm def scum now?
Tone. No.In post 420, RLotus wrote:Why do you think tvs is more likely than tvt? Does your read of GC go beyond the relation between him and Duchess?- ItalianoVD
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Here’s the sequence of events. Hopefully it’ll give everyone an idea of what was going on in my head at the time so I won’t have to explain it in depth again.In post 418, midwaybear wrote:Why is this uncomfortable to you? I think this happens relatively often in games, and this reads like an unnatural thought.
-Baltar asks about Elements Day 1 reads
-Other people chime in about it
-I say his reads are good and talk about the game we played where I was scum and he was town and how he found me Day 1, etc.
-Then RTP mentions another game where I was scum and how they found me Day 1.
-Then Green asks “so what I’m hearing is VD is bad at scum?”
-RTP says “no he got lolhammered in RVS, but his partner solo’d to victory.”
-I respond to Green by saying “yeah I’d say I’m bad at scum. No one expects to be quickhammered in RVS...”
-He then surmises that I’m saying I’m bad at scum because I got eliminated in RVS.
-So then I clarify and say “no, the two don’t correlate. I’m bad at scum because of ..., etc.”
-Duchess then says they don’t like the line of questioning that Green is using.
-They start going back and forth and then it escalates. I felt I was in the middle of it and the spat was happening because of me.
What I should of done is just removed myself from the equation and let them sort each other out. I’m sure I was keeping the fire hot by staying involved.- ItalianoVD
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Already answered.In post 430, VP Baltar wrote:
Why am I in your limpool if I'm not scum?In post 428, ItalianoVD wrote:Okay? I never said you were def scum, just in my limpool.- ItalianoVD
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Yes. Also my thoughts about it were incorrect, it had nothing to do with me and they were gonna go at it regardless.In post 432, midwaybear wrote:So I'm guessing you think the whole thing was overblown, and your reads on Duchess/Green Crayon are mostly unaffected? Why do you think they continued to 1v1, or do you have little read on that.- ItalianoVD
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Aww my bad you’re right. I meant to post this (bolded) in 435. This is what I had in my notes, just for got to include it in the original post. That’s why I thought I answered it.In post 436, VP Baltar wrote:Where? Am I missing something?
Okay? I never said you were def scum, just in my limpool. It just means that I’m more comfortable eliminating within my limpool than the players in the other categories.In post 417, VP Baltar wrote:I thought I was a reaction test for you, Italiano? I'm def scum now?- ItalianoVD
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Okay and?In post 441, Duchess wrote:If you read his ISO carefully, Italiano has been going out of his way to not directly call anyone scum this entire game.- ItalianoVD
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My votes speak for me.In post 444, ItalianoVD wrote:
Okay and?In post 441, Duchess wrote:If you read his ISO carefully, Italiano has been going out of his way to not directly call anyone scum this entire game.- ItalianoVD
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Re: 451 & 452
Well, you know, it might be better to vote me out then cause it's apparent I'm not gonna be of help to the town. I've been lazy man. All that stuff I do as town, I just didn't/don't feel like doing it this game, especially on Day 1. I don't know why, I just don't. Slots have been pinging me, but I just don't really feel like going in depth with it, hoping that gutreads would be enough. I know that's bad and not helpful, however, information can still be gleaned from my flip.
Another thing is I feel like everything I do and say is getting scumread and everything I answer is not good enough , and it feels like I'm just digging my grave deeper and deeper the more I post and interact. It's part of the game so it's cool, but it's also exhausting. If/when I do get to E1, I definitely won't hammer. I'm not gonna cutoff the discussion like that. And I'm not scum, I'm just bad townie this game.- ItalianoVD
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After being away from this game I gotta say it’s a little awkward coming back in Just to be clear though, I meant every word I wrote in my last post.
However I want to get back in the game and try to figure things out. Whether I’m scumread or not is not important anymore because I will be an asset to the town and my towniness will eventually shine through. Now anyone can ask me anything or they don’t have to.- ItalianoVD
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Uhh, I guess it’s an oxymoron. If someone asks me if I’m good at scum as partners (like RTP highlighted) I will say yes so they don’t have to worry about me being a liability. And all that means is I know how to play wolf/scum and have a lot of experience at it. But if someone asks if I’m bad at scum, I’m gonna say yes because of the reasons I’ve already stated. I know my history and myself better than anyone. I genuinely do have a hard time lying and manipulating and when I pull that red pm I’m always disappointed. I enjoy being villager 100x more than being wolf/scum. But you also have to take into account for mood, what’s going on in rl, time of day, etc. Just because I may be excited as scum or bored and uninterested as town doesn’t change my base feelings of both alignments. I hate being scum and love being town. That’s it.In post 546, VP Baltar wrote:Italiano, can you respond specifically to this contradiction Lotus has highlighted around your own views of your scum ability?
My comment to you is you have been mainly highlighting my reactions as the reasons I’m scum to you, but reactions are nai. Can’t always go by reactions. Not always, but generally scum are trying to direct the game into a specific gamestate or onto specific people. Who has been directing? That’s what I’m trying to figure out. I’m not scum and you’ll eventually see this or you already know. Sooner or later this town will know my true intentions.- ItalianoVD
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Why do you wanna hear from me if you’re mind is already made up.In post 570, VP Baltar wrote:I def want to hear from Italiano and may switch my vote there soon ish.- ItalianoVD
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In 415 I mentioned everyone else is null... here’s my feelings on those slots.
Datisi- Unreadable, but something feels odd. The tone of your posts feel almost like you’re thumbing your nose at us. Like you know something and are toying with us. But maybe that’s just your play style. Now a few of the players have played with you and the atmosphere around you is pretty split. I’ve never played with you so I placed you here based on what those people have said.
Dunnstral- Is an unreadable players since you play the same as both alignments, which is why I have you as null. All I know is your town games.
Harumi- As you know I’m currently playing two games with you. This one and the another one and I can’t read you, which is why I have you at null. Your play could come from both town and scum.
Tessa- You’ve only posted several times and I’d say your posts weren’t bad, but not enough to get a real read on you. It’s why I placed you here.
Elements- I literally don’t have a read for you. You may be like Dunn and play similar regardless of alignment, but I only have a town game for you and this could be that, but not having a scum game to compare, I can only place you here.- ItalianoVD
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If these people are scum then bravo, but the tones of RTP and Andres have felt the most like town for me. Pocket or not, whatever, I don’t care, I’ve felt the best when reading your posts.
I feel like Duchess is actually trying to solve the game. Like it doesn’t feel like you’re informed and just doing stuff, but uninformed and trying to figure things out.
Sorry midway as much as you’ve looked like town, you’ve replaced into a slot that I feel/felt is scum. Lunar was playing very different than the two games I played with him. As a townie, even on day one, way more involved and none of those goofy one liners and short answers.- ItalianoVD
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You don’t seem to be giving me this same benefit of the doubt, but you want people to just do this for you. HmmIn post 565, Datisi wrote:i was writing out my thought/solving process. that's how i play this game, i try to get as much of my thought process out as possible. doesn't matter if it's contradictory or i can't quite explain it or makes me look bad or whatever. i trust that at some point people are going to townread me for the transparency.- ItalianoVD
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When I'm scumread for something that is legitimate or something that I myself would scumread I just play on and eventually that person or people should see my towniness come through but when I get scumread for something stupid or faulty I admit it throws me off and my goal is to disprove that nonsense, which in effect makes me look scummier ~ala Mini Number 2195.In post 600, Green Crayons wrote:
would like to hear from VD some delicious ~self-meta~ about whether he agrees this is how he plays when scumread as townIn post 521, RLotus wrote:Nah Italiano bites back when he gets scumread as town, the defeatism is the nail in the coffin imo- ItalianoVD
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I explained why it's Lunar/midway in 577. The other two I haven't played with but Lotus has a feel like Datisi. Baltar interaction with everyone hasn't necessarily been scummy, even his interaction with me, so as I'm writing this perhaps I could move him down him in the nullrange. But I'm wondering why it feels like their mind is made up with me. Like no matter what happens I'll be where they vote today, I don't know maybe it's just me.In post 602, Green Crayons wrote:So am i correct that you haven't explained why the other three are in your elimination pool, or did I miss that?- ItalianoVD
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Well not necessarily. I mean I've given up before. It usually happens when every attempt to give my thoughts and explain the reasons I've done X or Y have fallen on deaf ears. At that point I'm frustrated and it's futile. That's what I've felt like in this game. But sure read what you want from that, I don't care really.In post 604, Green Crayons wrote:So what I'm reading is that defeatism isn't a VD-town play to being suspected, or is that part of "just play(ing) on"?- ItalianoVD
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My bad, I did miss that.In post 610, VP Baltar wrote:
Here's a post where I am very clearly torn about you:
In post 459, VP Baltar wrote:I hate that my gut says Italiano is town and every word out of his mouth is scummy.
I still want to yeet Dunn.
I really hate that you keep saying "VP has already made his mind up" because it reaches a point where if I ever *do* decide to vote you, you can easily be like: "SEE TOLD YOU VP BIASED AF"- ItalianoVD
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I've pretty much said and done the same thing you said you do in 565. It's almost word for word my sentiments, thoughts, and reactions to the whole Duchess/Green thing. And multiple people scumread it. You voted me for it. I was writing out my thoughts and the reasons I said what I said and why I was reacting to certain things the way I did, etc. and people were like "Nah bruh, that's scummy and I'm voting for you, so when I saw your comment, it made me do a double take, which is why I commented on it.In post 608, Datisi wrote:
@italiano, i'd like this answered.In post 582, Datisi wrote:
lol excuse me what? what kinda benefit of the doubt am i supposed to be giving you here?In post 580, ItalianoVD wrote:
You don’t seem to be giving me this same benefit of the doubt, but you want people to just do this for you. HmmIn post 565, Datisi wrote:i was writing out my thought/solving process. that's how i play this game, i try to get as much of my thought process out as possible. doesn't matter if it's contradictory or i can't quite explain it or makes me look bad or whatever. i trust that at some point people are going to townread me for the transparency.
The issue with the comment is not that you scumread me for my comment, but that you were using that as a reason to pushback against Andres' suspicion on you. In any other scenario I would have agreed with it/you 100%.- ItalianoVD
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The tone of the wording here makes it seem like hearing from me is just a formality. The "and may switch my vote there soon ish" is the part that makes it seem this way. If that's not what you mean my bad, but that's what it sounded like to me.In post 579, VP Baltar wrote:
Where did I say my mind was made up? I explicitly said the opposite of that...In post 573, ItalianoVD wrote:
Why do you wanna hear from me if you’re mind is already made up.In post 570, VP Baltar wrote:I def want to hear from Italiano and may switch my vote there soon ish.- ItalianoVD
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So you gonna change your name or your profile pic?In post 626, RLotus wrote:I'm willing to look like a fool if I'm wrong.- ItalianoVD
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Seems I’m breaking rules every game I play. What is OGI?In post 636, Reformed Toxic Player wrote:Don't imply OGI please. You know that's against the rules.- ItalianoVD
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