Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[olaf]

hey

[olaf]

keep my identity hidden please stumps
will read later

[olaf]

no you should be content with just me smh

[olaf]

oh shit nightless game?

[olaf]

yeah how'd you know
are you a day cop

[olaf]

bm's new icon is throwing me off
maybe that's why you all killed him

[olaf]

who are you

[olaf]

you're the best

[olaf]

bats and charlie look like town rn
also like toogeloo's vt claim
i don't know what that means clidd but i'd like one prescription of whatever you recommend

[olaf]

wtf kind of rude

[olaf]

ya that's all i'm reading now
back later

[olaf]

If you actually aren't just another pyro main alt, uhhhhhhh sorry?

lmao no

[olaf]

If you actually aren't just another pyro main alt, uhhhhhhh sorry?

lmao no

I don't believe you tbh but ok we can pretend you are an innocent newbie.

not a newbie either

[olaf]

that is a v cute snowman
please introduce me

[olaf]

hello

[olaf]

UNVOTE: War and Peace

[olaf]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
you didn't think to claim something so good when you were a 1/2 vig target yesterday

[olaf]

so you pretending to um not know is kind of scummy :3

wild to say he's pretending not to know
probably forgot either way

[olaf]

i skimmed most of everything

[olaf]

Interesting vote; why them?

are you even expecting a response when you're 80 pages behind or whatever
it's probably been explained

[olaf]

how can you subjectively think an interaction you with titus was scummy when you know you're town
TWO of them

[olaf]

wtf titus
hard work was put into that
you should post your VCA next

[olaf]

OH
i see
do you think more negative interactions is good or positive ones

[olaf]

i guess i can see that for toogeloo
titus is more afraid in general to say good things about players and probably would be ESPECIALLY afraid to say good things about her scum

[olaf]

what does that even mean

[olaf]

weird shade tbh

[olaf]

hey titus can you compliment me a bunch real quick
no reason in particular

[olaf]

peace what do you mean you've always wanted to do this
you mean look at a flip scum's interactions?
isn't this game worse for it because a flipped scum is trying to look towny while titus knows everyone knows she's scum

[olaf]

saudade replacing out means him provoking nancy wasn't a start
it's just saudade

[olaf]

I like Morty and Rick, toogleloo is pretty cool as well, and if Olaf really is shellyc then thats where I’m going today.

Sherlock is likely trolling here. Olaf is definitely NOT any permabanned user.

...yet

[olaf]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
he's just going for low hanging fruit this game
it's not even low hanging at that point, it's ground resting fruit
too SURFACE LEVEL

[olaf]

VOTE: ItalianoVD
I got a feeling this is scum

VOTE: Gamma

DO SOMETHING

VOTE: Saudade
I don't trust his ass at all rn

[olaf]

saudade replacing out means him provoking nancy wasn't a start
it's just saudade

strat
not start

[olaf]

i'm so pocketed right now

[olaf]

im looking at something like Gamma/Pyro?/Clidd/morty and rick
backup SRs are something like
Toog, suffering, sarahara, dunn, starcrossed

Morty and Rick? Tell me more.

Tell ur scum pt

Fwiw and you can totally ignore me but your constant presence is very annoying. I can't do anything to change this as I don't have some strange activated ability to make you shush but it's hard to focus and think.

While I find this a good scum stump tactic, it also means that if your team win, its not really even because the team is good. It's because the stump spammed the game up with junk and all the townies lost interest.

It's not my goal to have town lose interest to win. It's why I have told you and Nancy to moderate your posts. You and Nancy have almost 1k posts between you. I have 150. You feeling my presence is good play. I'll watch my posting level too. Getting into your head is what I am supposed to do.

i enjoy the wifom and mindgames personally
they're fun

[olaf]

titus i want you to hard manipulate me
who should i be most paranoid of here?

[olaf]

nancy you have 10 minutes to townspew or i'm voting you

[olaf]

hella towny emoji
thanks for the townspew

[olaf]

titus i want you to hard manipulate me
who should i be most paranoid of here?

Pyro's posting was pretty off the wall.

hm
is that a good thing?
'off the wall' i mean
why would you want to be on the wall anyway it's boring

[olaf]

trust me i'm town tsunami

[olaf]

Not at all. You’re missing several other townreads I’ve stated (Dunn, Batsu, Sherlock, Akarin, Morty, Fey, Pyro/Olaf)
Also your hang-up about progression seems newbish but given you’re a hidden alt that raises some concern about your motives.

I don't see where you made those reads or why you had them. What do you mean hang-up on progression seems newbish? If we never questioned anyone's presence in the thread then scum could just get away with empty posting so long as nobody is paying attention. If you're town then this interaction maybe bothers you, but it sure is a lot more helpful than me ignoring you entirely.

I literally had posts recently about a couple of those. Yeah, nice try.

Was willing to give you benefit of the doubt that you were over-valuing recent content but now you’re clearly full of shit

i know gamma says he's annoyed about quickhammers or whatever
but the lack of vote on 5uffering at any point during their exchange really bothers me given his confidence/anger at 5uffering being scum in this post
or like lack of calling him scum outside of this

[olaf]

trust me i'm town tsunami

Nope.

don't trust me tsunami i'm scum

[olaf]

i lied i'm actually town
morty have you tried claiming scum and replacing out?

[olaf]

<3
ok it's a replace out death pact

[olaf]

WAR FLASHBACKS

ircher.........

~mitsuha

ircher, can i see a towngame of yours?

~mitsuha

hm
isn't it really easy to just look at Ircher's recently played games
it's not like they're asking for a specific game
question feels busy

[olaf]

why do you keep shading me
it hurts

[olaf]

morty
you're present but mostly just shitposting
and mastina's absence this game is really scummy
we all know she hates scum

[olaf]

i vibe a lot with that readlist other than clidd's placement

[olaf]

morty do you still think you know who he is and that this is his scumplay?

[olaf]

didn't 5uffering say you got one free guess and that he'd answer truthfully?
you should use it morty

[olaf]

is that guess shirou?

[olaf]

VOTE: Starcrossed
i know who you actually are 5uffering but i don't want to out you
you should be more careful with posting on your main for similar times
not today but previous days

[olaf]

isn't this chkflip

[olaf]

gamma you sounded confident in that one post but then unsure in others
the contrast felt weird to me

[olaf]

it was

[olaf]

ok after some reevaluation i think starcrossed and clidd are my top picks
clidd is confident but he keeps just saying things like 'towntell for me' or 'what's your solve' or 'waiting for brilliance from you'
it feels like busywork and not at all like genuine solving
gamma i think you're town now so apologies

[olaf]

you know actually
VOTE: clidd

[olaf]

also i don't like the way he said it was best for him to be vigged if BM flips red
i don't think town clidd believes that
i think scum clidd says that knowing BM is green

[olaf]

yeah your post is what got me to go back and iso him for that stuff >_>
credit goes to shmlorty

[olaf]

this sounds juicy
tell me

[olaf]

shmli'm shmlnot shmlure shmlbout shmlorty shmhis shmame
shmull

[olaf]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 7

• War and Peace
  ------------- 4 ( Pyro(61), Fey(59), Starcrossed(11), Rogue Squadron(40) )
  F- 5
  
  
  ItalianoVD
  ---------------- 2 ( GammaEmerald(35), Saudade(39) )
  F- 7
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ----------------- 2 ( Batsunami(160), Battle Mage(37) )
  F- 7
  
  
  Toogeloo
  ------------------ 1 ( Charlie and Snoopy(16) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Starcrossed
  --------------- 1 ( War and Peace(9), Titus(30) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Saudade
  ------------------ 1 ( ItalianoVD(14) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Rogue Squadron
  ----------- 1 ( Sherlock and Watson(61) )
  F- 8
  
  
  GammaEmerald
  ------------- 1 ( Morty and Rick(49) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Charlie and Snoopy
  -------- 1 ( Clidd(7) )
  F- 8
  
  
  
  Not Voting (4): SaraharaS(0), Dunnstral(59), Toogeloo(7), Nancy Drew 39(98)

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Once more with feeling.

didn't even realize this slot was in the game
heavy iioa here
literally no solving
VOTE: Mathblade

[olaf]

i think he's performative and too over the top

[olaf]

The dissonance of opinions about me between Pyro and Olaf is making me think that the slot is town.

why does that suggest town?

[olaf]

^^
<3

[olaf]

Fey you are amazing
please light me up and throw me into an active volcano

[olaf]

batsunami if you think 3 people are scum and then they start voting each other as is the case with clidd toogeloo and i
you shouldn't try to fit conclusions to us still being scum and why that means we're bussing or faking 1v1s
you should reconsider your reads and realise that's unlikely

[olaf]

wow if you want out you should've just said toogeloo
i thought we had soemthing

[olaf]

lol
sherlock please

[olaf]

i'm giving some legit advice
that isn't even ai

[olaf]

starting from the conclusion someone or certain people are scum and then trying to find reasons to fit that conclusion is always a bad idea

[olaf]

Sarah please help me
my sanity levels are draining

[olaf]

Fey you are amazing
please light me up and throw me into an active volcano

Can you be anymore great?!

well i could be italiano

[olaf]

Sarah please help me
my sanity levels are draining

what's going on?

nah it's good
do your catchup unpolluted and unbiased
can't wait till you get to the part where radiantcowbells-flavor leaf hydra reps in

[olaf]

VOTE: clidd for the vc bot

[olaf]

Yeah, trying to skim Gamma and apparenty-FL? ISOs in the middle of the night in search of having something useful to add was a dumb idea.

FL isn’t in this game. lololol

whatever you say flavor leaf

[olaf]

I’m not only sheeping Nancy here, but there’s tone to this game and 5uffering’s tone has drastically changed imo. From confidence in Gamma to the sort of “I was only” and “how could you scumread me” tone after the pressure from Nancy came.

this is a town post pretty sure
reading into tone like this and finding fake tone is so much easier as town
i agree btw regarding 5uffering
it's why his main is so important for figuring out if he's just a fake-sounding/performative guy or this is scummy
because it sure feels scummy

[olaf]

Personally I really don't townread the way suffering started being like... Just mean? Too gamma, and I don't want to set a precedent that being mean or upping ate will get townreads. Like the reads of saudade flipped because he went over a line and if reads change *for those reasons* we're gonna see scum like fake anger a lot. That sort of stuff is terrible for thread readability

yeah the whole slime thing just came out of nowhere it feels like

I’m not only sheeping Nancy here, but there’s tone to this game and 5uffering’s tone has drastically changed imo. From confidence in Gamma to the sort of “I was only” and “how could you scumread me” tone after the pressure from Nancy came.

this is a town post pretty sure
reading into tone like this and finding fake tone is so much easier as town
i agree btw regarding 5uffering
it's why his main is so important for figuring out if he's just a fake-sounding/performative guy or this is scummy
because it sure feels scummy

But there’s absolutely nothing I can do to help with that and Titus is in the exact same boat. I was initially tl him based off of meta but then his posting starting sounding a lot more like his scum meta.

i know i know
i'll just trust your knowledge on this then

[olaf]

This day is agony

there's a part of me that would vote Fey literally just for torturing us with this even feeling like she flips town

but I need to banish such thoughts. Nancy, is your decision made? This is getting stupid. Who are we flipping?

you say such scummy things Sherlock
Fey was even more obvtown after that frustrated roleclaim that she thought would clear her

[olaf]

you're so good sarah

[olaf]

oh that explains the quick catchup, congrats on skimming 100+ pages in like 30 minutes. can you teach me your ways?

aren't you some kind of magical servant with godly powers
why you a slower reader than a humble snowman lolol

[olaf]

but nah it took me more like an hour
i focused on what looked interesting

[olaf]

you say such scummy things Sherlock
Fey was even more obvtown after that frustrated roleclaim that she thought would clear her

I made it pretty clear that I still think she's town so this is like, a really bad take olaf

me being annoyed we didn't get a night phase and being annoyed at how she used her role is not the same thing as actually scumreading her

i don't see how you'd be so annoyed at those things you'd want to vote her

[olaf]

you feel fake this game tbh

[olaf]

any idea if he does have a history of repping out like that?

no idea

[olaf]

i considered voting Sherlock but i'm better eh whatever
i'm not actually sure he's scum even if his shading of me all the time has been annoying
also he feels fake sometimes but i'm trash at reading scum through tone so whatever lol

[olaf]

whaaaaaaat?

if someone wants to claim having skipped the night they get a townpass from me.

why?!

night skips are so fucking toxic

I have shit to do Alisae whyyyyyy

I'm gonna go to the beach and watch the sunset

fuck this game

it's stuff like this btw

[olaf]

I lost interest in Toog

why?

[olaf]

you feel fake this game tbh

if you want to keep pretending to be a stealth alt stop perspective slipping meta takes

also I would say I feel very much the same about you lately

nah your tone has pinged me this game
just tonal though so i've been ignoring it

[olaf]

Oh you mean Gamma's play right? I'm glad you finally agree.

If you are actually town here with that last post, I’ll be seriously shocked.

VOTE: 5uffering

huh interesting

[olaf]

sarah my gut is saying 5uffering is town for 3568
it's like he's giving nancy genuine sounding advice but that advice is only sincere if she's wrong on him
it sounds so dumb i almost didn't want to say it
and i do agree with others his AtE feels scummy
buuuuuut
idk

[olaf]

also what do you think of sherlock

[olaf]

VOTE: 5uffering
not sure what F-number this is

[olaf]

gonna trust nancy's metaread
and morty might know who he is and thinks this is his scummeta
his content i think has been fine
the AtE has been scummy
also Starcrossed is still scum

[olaf]

ah damn
my role is that i die if i hammer anyone
shit
i was town

[olaf]

oh yeah good point
they're probably not aligned based on that fight earlier
aaaaaaaa
VOTE: Starcrossed
believe in this more right now

[olaf]

no i think both of them are scummy
i don't think they're both scum
i think Starcrossed is scummier than 5uffering

[olaf]

no...
do i need to make this more clear?
i think 5uffering's content has been reasonable
i think the way he presents things is performative and scum-indicative
i think his AtE is scummy
one part of his AtE i found towny due to the perspective it was coming from
overall i think he's scummy
i find Starcrossed to be scummy for independent reasons
i don't think 5uffering and Starcrossed are both scum because of the way Starcrossed was attacking 5uffering
i find Starcrossed slightly more scummy than 5uffering
i am voting Starcrossed

[olaf]

join us then!!!!!

[olaf]

Starcrossed is a fairly likely scum pick and their behavior towards certain things feels scummy, but I’m unsure if it’s fair to out those theories; in my head, I’ve thought of the slot strictly as either mason or scum with no room for how contested they’d be for either side.

That’s an interesting analysis. Based on?

if Fey is getting at what i think she is, i have a very similar thought about it
i've been holding it close to the chest though because i think it's worth revealing after a larger sample size

[olaf]

SHERLOCK

[olaf]

aww what

[olaf]

Based on their presence in this thread; they’re either having a great time privately with you in a mason PT or maybe feel guilty about being scum against you (knowing they’d have to pocket you because any other behavior from them would be strange) and thus aren’t as active.

but yeah i noticed this too
based on seeing your play elsewhere i'd expect pooky to be more shamelessly pocketing you if town nancy
feels like he's guilty here so not doing it as much as scum

[olaf]

vote Starcrossed while you're still alive 5up
let's get them to do something

[olaf]

You just implied you thought you were flipped at like l-5 dude

While the stump voted three people not you on the previous page

that's a good point...
how closely you reading 5up?

[olaf]

VOTE: 5uffering
UNVOTE: 5uffering

[olaf]

when morty's reaction testing goes too far...
uh Morty was already on him Nancy
i thought about reaction testing 5uffering but it's probably not worth making you stressed out

[olaf]

VOTE: Starcrossed

[olaf]

Morty was already on the wagon
he's on E-2 right now

[olaf]

E-3

[olaf]

Fey pooky has no shame pocketing people when town
as scum he does sometimes depending on the person
Pooky but you did to FL last game and no one cared

[olaf]

leaning town on 5uffering now
the takes are good and there's no guarantee this massive burst of effort guarantees his survival

sarah:
you are a saint
i scumread starcrossed for the stuff i said about Pooky
regarding kanna, she had some alright moments
but i didn't like the reaction to the Ircher readlist and the empty question that followed
plus no followup to that ever
and like she was confident which is towny for her
but she also stated she knows that's towny for her while doing it
so uh
it doesn't mean a lot
also though she had moments she'd pop in for in the previous versus game and she was always natural and fluid
she hasn't bothered to since in this game

Nancy:
please add me to your townlocbloc
trust in Sarah and Fey
and believe in my reads as well as theirs <3

[olaf]

@Sarah, not AtE. I couldn’t careless about townpoints. I really just want this day to end so we can move on. So just flip me already, I’ve already claimed. I don’t feel like answering questions or responding to inquiries when they’re just gonna be scumread, but my flip will help. Stop talking about it and walk about it.

VOTE: ItalianoVD

are you really that much of a saint?
you say 'we' can move on if we flip you
but you'd be dead lol
you don't want to play on future days?

[olaf]

what's frustrated you this game?
you didn't seem it until just today
irl day i mean

[olaf]

Olaf -- pyro claimed we are a likely pick for scum and that's flattering, but i question that a bit. like, really? i don't think we have more of a chance than anyone else? also we have all been brushing over the fact i think pyro is the real top pick for scum!

you were townreading this slot before
what changed your mind?
is there any reason to scumread me other than thinking my predecessor is likely to be picked?
you've crossed your stars here

[olaf]

-- investigating clidd is a good idea!

why?
you have clidd as a townlock
isn't that a waste from your perspective?

[olaf]

how much have you read btw Kanna
good point about mastina though
her inactivity isn't actually site-wide

Morty!
why does Rick abandon us

[olaf]

what saying she's not responsible for the BM elim?
why do you think that's a towntell

[olaf]

rough reads (remembering i read over half of this in the last few hours, and bearing in mind that i woke up at about seven am this morning because i needed to spend about an hour vomiting. sure, i didn't need to say that, but i think it helps contextualize my post vomit, or whatever the phrase related to that is for when you dump a loooot of posts in the thread in a row)

Locktown
-Batsunami
-Fey
-Pink Ball
-Olaf (lower locktown tier than the other three if you care about nuance)

Townreads
-Starcrossed
-Morty and Rick
-Toogeloo
-Dunnstral (idk why? i think this is vibing though)

others in no order
(Clidd, Sherlock & Watson, Italiano, 5uffering, Gaming Emerelf, War and Peace, Red Eyes Knights)

i agree with all of Sarah's townreads/locks except for Starcrossed

[olaf]

I don't think scum stoops to this level of AtE, Nancy.

^

his reaction to the drafting thing felt over the top to me as well but the insults would be pretty gross if this was all fake
so uh i think it's real emotion

[olaf]

i think the specific thing he reacted at is more likely to incur emotion if he's town and knows/thinks the reasoning is faulty
if he's scum people are of course right to suggest him saying he wanted scum increased the chance of being dealt scum
getting mad about that would be pretty strange as scum

[olaf]

keep that bullet away from me
i'm not a werewolf

[olaf]

sherlock making some really good points
that tinfoil reason to think Saudade was town is good
also it sucks that this game is devolving into be toxic to be townlocked

[olaf]

[olaf]

[olaf]

i have found a new purpose in life

[olaf]

i don't have time right now to go back, could you point out where this happened? if i'm reading right then Star changed their thoughts on 'top picks'? i might be reading it wrong.

she says 'top scumreads' there
Starcrossed has got to be scum here if you compare pooky's play here to previous games

[olaf]

why you not feelin it this game

[olaf]

you know who Nancy and Titus are
last game you loved interacting with the stumps

[olaf]

it was kinda weird tbh

[olaf]

Starcrossed, clidd, Rick, War and Peace

[olaf]

maybe i should effort and actually scumcase people i think are scum
that might be fun

[olaf]

i townread Morty btw
he's just in the lolsolve because of Mastina playing other games over this one
if not them i'd have the red knights in here
i'll make a case on my top scumread day 2
oh hey Starcrossed
give us a bone here
you barely have any reasoning for your takes out there
mind dropping some reads with some reasons?

[olaf]

and yeah that means i think both of the wagons are on town right now
but honestly i have no willpower whatsoever to fight it right now
maybe in a couple of days i'll have the motivation to push a scumread but not today or tomorrow
so maybe we take the L and get a flip and hopefully i'm wrong

shrug

[olaf]

i definitely wouldn't lim Morty today Nancy
he's mostly just there as a prediction even though I townread him
the gist for clidd is i think he's saying things he doesn't believe in and playing up the confident/commanding act
War and Peace has samantha playing to a tee to her scummeta while Ircher had some really bad moments early on
like i said i'm not gonna scumcase any of them right now
either in a few days if we're somehow still on this day
or day 2 if we flip someone

[olaf]

UNVOTE: ItalianoVD

I’d rather vote for scum

VOTE: SaraharaS

i think there's a page on the wiki Italiano's been looking at: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... d_You_Suck

That’s cute. But I’m not voting you simply because you are voting me, I’m voting you because out of all the people in Nancy’s townbloc you are the least town to me. Personally I don’t feel your read on me I was reached honestly. You kinda picked a couple things out of my iso and scumread me for it instead of actually trying to sort me. You came in with preconceived notions and just sorta locked on with no indication you’d change.

i think this is suicidal for italiano considering you (nancy) trust Sarah a lot right now
i think this read is genuine and this only makes you want to kill him more and serves italiano no purpose to post as scum

[olaf]

alisae did me a solid and banned my slot first
you're the best alisae
my main reason to think italiano is town is that his self-vote suicidal play is just stupid as scum
you go for AtE if you think it'll get you townread and you're in a dire spot right?
well Italiano wasn't in a dire spot and his AtE doesn't look towny and isn't designed to do so
he has no reason to just implode there as scum
ergo i think he's just frustrated and somewhat childish town

[olaf]

Italiano, who were you going to target with your ability if the night wasn't skipped?

I have/had no idea. I had to ask Alisae what the role even meant. From what Alisae said and from what I read on the wiki it’s supposed to take away people’s powers. Obviously bad for town and good for scum, but I had no clue who to use it on or what benefit/detriment it would be for town/scum.
I’m thinking I need to just stick with newbie games.

Because of timing, this answer doesn't seem coordinated with partners and no offense to Italiano, but I don't think he would be able to fake a townslip like this

What are your reads

Townread/Townlean ~ Pyro, Olaf, batsunami, Morty & Rick, Sherlock & Watson,
Null ~ Dunnstral, Gamma, 5uffering, Starcrossed
Suspicious ~ Clidd, Sara, War and Peace
Did I miss anybody?

Also, having more than half of his interactions with Saudade and then forgetting about him/his replacement seems uncharacteristic from scum trying to make a readlist charged with WIFOM before dying

these are also good reasons by the FLUFFY ball of menace

[olaf]

Lunar was on record saying he liked scum (i think?)
so it depends on how Titus valued picking a hydra which has someone who dislikes it and another who likes it

[olaf]

He hasn't had a single towntell since the number of votes increased.

clidd can you explain what you consider a 'towntell'?

[olaf]

VOTE: Red Eye Knights

[olaf]

Agree on the first 3

[olaf]

you're a silly floof for doubting me
the only tinfoil reason i have to think that hydra is town is because Ari hates scum so why would Akarin invite him knowing that
but idk if that's dumb angleshooting lol
i agree their content is very lacklustre and absence is sus

[olaf]

i'd be very happy to go Red Eye Knights or clidd
you still gonna work on that case Pink Ball?
i can wait
if we're still on this day phase i'll case clidd tomorrow or the day after

[olaf]

Open up clidd's ISO and follow along with me

He enters the game confidently voting for Charlie and Snoopy. He provides essentially no reasoning on this but promises he'll go further into why exactly they're scum in 577.
We go to post 935 and apparently nothing has change, Charlie is still scum and clidd wants more votes, but the best reasoning he's given for this is:

His opinions seem like projections imo of what he judges that he should be thinking. Amost as if they did not come from an uninformed pov.

This is a subjective and easily faked opinion. clidd is taking an arbitrary stance and pushing it with immense confidence, but is unable to explain it further showing there's lack of actual reasoning or thought process behind the read.

974 - clidd does his "you need to towntell in the next 24 hours" thing with extreme confidence. samantha votes him, and clidd calls samantha out, suggesting he seems very different this game so samantha should notice the difference from their previous game together.

@clidd:

what was your alignment in that game?

uh gotta go
will continue thi slater

[olaf]

what's up nancy?
and no i'm not done clidd

[olaf]

VOTE: clidd

[olaf]

VOTE: Red Eye Knights

Aww are you really going to make me reevaluate you this soon

@Olaf, tell me why I should tr you here and if I don’t like your answer hers, I may want a claim from you.

just trust Fey and Sarah when they've locktowned me Nancy
i don't know what else to tell you other than "i'm town"
look at my posts and judge them for yourself?

[olaf]

I think it’s extremely interesting that Noraa was FOSsing on Olaf here.

it's really not...
the other half of that hydra is confident i'm town

[olaf]

clidd
why are you playing drastically different here?

[olaf]

Open up clidd's ISO and follow along with me

He enters the game confidently voting for Charlie and Snoopy. He provides essentially no reasoning on this but promises he'll go further into why exactly they're scum in 577.
We go to post 935 and apparently nothing has change, Charlie is still scum and clidd wants more votes, but the best reasoning he's given for this is:

His opinions seem like projections imo of what he judges that he should be thinking. Amost as if they did not come from an uninformed pov.

This is a subjective and easily faked opinion. clidd is taking an arbitrary stance and pushing it with immense confidence, but is unable to explain it further showing there's lack of actual reasoning or thought process behind the read.

974 - clidd does his "you need to towntell in the next 24 hours" thing with extreme confidence

986 - "I would probably push you if you came back with a wall." - I don't think clidd seriously believes he would push War and Peace if they came back with a wall, what does that even mean? He has know way of knowing what the contents of this wall would be, and why is a shorter post townier? I think he's taking arbitrary stances here

1015 - There is nothing to engage with on this question. I think town!clidd would give some reasons for 5uffering to work with

Not a fan of your wall.

Nothing you said reflected me as genuine or difficult to manufacture, but I’ll wait since you said it’s not over.

This is a towny wall ^

This is a reoccurring theme with clidd's posts. No reasoning given for his stances. Same with 1035 or 1100 or 1101. clidd's reads are changing but there is no progression because there are no reasons given for why he likes or dislikes things. Compare this to clidd's very first push after replacing into his his last towngame:

Your readlist is not very intuitive, Gerain.

Which part of these votes is suggestive to you?

It seems to me that you are more filling space in your posts with lIoA content than drawing an AI conclusion from it that really makes sense to you.

pedit: So I'll probably die then, meh.

Thanks anyways.

My problem is not with your way of thinking, but with the fact that your reasoning seems false/easy to emulate as scum.

You are not looking at the reasons that each slot used to scumread/townread player x or y and if that makes them likely scum or town, but in the number of votes and the period in which it occurred, something that in isolation is NAI without the support of individual impressions but that you treat as absolute.

Your approach seems fictitious and there is nothing substantial in what you are saying that will help me understand whether you are coming from a town or a scum mentality, except the point where you are not really reflecting me as someone who is genuinely putting cognitive effort to solve.

Immediately, we can see tangible

reasons

that we can assess and solve clidd for.

Instead, we have stuff like this:

Morty, Sherlock, Fey and Pyro are a very strong set. I don't think they are all town.

5suf is also strong, but my paranoia about him has dissipated. I believe he's likely town.

Saudade still has to actively engage and show some town brilliance, if he's town here.

And this:

Ircher's wall was meh.

Sam, you'll need to towntell again.

Dunn is null with a finger on a tl imo.

Probably null-town.

If Sam acts scummy in her next posts, I can consider a pivot to there.

Although I'm not so confident in a W/P scumflip.

By the way, Sherlock, I don't remember which newbie game you're talking about (I played a lot), but I'm trying to avoid using that style. It is very tiring cognitively.

I'm playing differently here.

I understand he's play differently as in he's not dropping huge analytical walls, but that's not the comparison I'm drawing here. The comparison I'm drawing is the absolute lack of clidd letting us look into ANY of his inner reasoning or thoughts.

The dissonance of opinions about me between Pyro and Olaf is making me think that the slot is town.

This was a really bad take. Why does a replacement coming in with a different take on you make them town? Care to explain this,

clidd

?

More nothing posting - empty takes, no reasons:

If the 5suf wagon was before, I would probably participate, but I don't think he's scumposting rn.

Ircher reflects me as scum, but Sam is still holding the slot to not be a sr.

I don't want to vote there.

PB is a wagon that I can revisit depending on what they will bring to the game.

Gamma is an ok wagon, but not very good.

Batsunami is town.

Toog is my secondary wagon, while I wait for PB, but he's potentially scum imo.

(there's a lot more posts like this btw, it's his whole ISO. I'm not gonna link all of them)

I lost interest in Toog

why?

VOTE: 5uffering

Guys, let's do here ^

pedit: He has no reaction to my push.

Clidd has no belief or resolve in his pushes. Someone ignoring your push on you shouldn't make you 'lose interest' in them. Shouldn't clidd be worried Toogeloo is just scum hoping clidd stops caring about him? I don't think clidd actually believes Toogeloo ignoring his push is a towny thing.

I just think 5suf has been performative to the point of creating and maintaining an image of how he wants others to see him, but not exactly looking for what works for him in the sense of scumhunting/townhunting. In other words, the way he acts, expresses himself and seems to try to create a connection with other people seems to me to be designed to achieve a certain goal and not spontaneous to help him solve the game. There is a lot of image maintenance that try to emulate a thought process that looks like town on the surface, but that internally looks fake/posed, almost like a wolf in sheep's clothing. I can be confbiasing because my mind keeps repeating that he is scum, but this is the way I see his slot rn.

Regarding Morty, for me he has only fluctuated during the entire game and I miss the more towny posture of Auro/Mastina.

I was trying to ignore the slot for thinking they were masons, but if that is not the case, I believe there is a healthy chance that they are scum, although my SR in them is not that strong in context.

First post this game that seems like town!clidd. Although, I have no idea why he'd out the bolded.

I don't post 100% of what I'm thinking, so you won't be able to read me by progression.

Yes, this is the problem, clidd. And I think you're doing it because it's effort to fake all those thoughts as scum.

[olaf]

Here's another recent clidd-towngame. His first dozen or so posts there have more genuine explained thoughts than the entirety of this game. The difference really is night and day.

Flashwagon this and let's get that scumflip, folks

[olaf]

oops forgot to link it lol
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[olaf]

hm
why are you playing like this clidd? not bothering to explain all of your thought processes that is

[olaf]

and the problem isn't ALL
it's that you're posting barely any of them

[olaf]

mmm no i don't think it's a coincidence
i think you've been theatrical and performative this game too
the way you let people know they have x amount of time to towntell and such
i feel pretty good about this

[olaf]

the best way to describe it is that you seem genuinely interested as town and seem to actually be thinking things through
here it's like you're putting on a performance for us all
changing your reads and taking wild stances and appearing overly confident
but there's no underlying reasoning or thoughts that show any of this is genuine
the contrast is DAMNING

[olaf]

Alright, I endorse Clidd wagon, it will at least provide us with some helpful info.

YOU HEARD HER EVERYONE
want the day to end?
well pile on clidd and let's end this day
(i love you clidd but you're scum)

[olaf]

sorry if this happens to be your first ever game where you decide to play like this as town it's very unfortunate
but the far more reasonable explanation is that you're scum

[olaf]

[olaf]

HA
i knew that scummy sherlock was off
pedit a lot of us felt it lol

[olaf]

VOTE: Starcrossed

[olaf]

VOTE: Starcrossed

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
trust

[olaf]

they're scum or a mason

[olaf]

happy birthday nancy!

[olaf]

huh that's true

[olaf]

We can leash Gamma to {1 of me, Sarah}, we can't leash gamma to M&R if we're vanilla copping M&R, if you want to add M&R to the rolestop pool then we can vanilla cop Starcrossed instead, I still think that's worse though. Italiano on Fey I feel is like.... always right here? I can't see a world where Titus kills Fey here unless we give her *a lot* of reason to kill Fey.

@Olaf Do you think scum!Krazy wants his buddy rolecopped?

it was a suggestion so i don't think it counts for much
also it's just a rolecop
they can just trueclaim vanilla/non-vanilla

[olaf]

Olaf -- pyro claimed we are a likely pick for scum and that's flattering, but i question that a bit. like, really? i don't think we have more of a chance than anyone else? also we have all been brushing over the fact i think pyro is the real top pick for scum!

you were townreading this slot before
what changed your mind?
is there any reason to scumread me other than thinking my predecessor is likely to be picked?
you've crossed your stars here

-- investigating clidd is a good idea!

why?
you have clidd as a townlock
isn't that a waste from your perspective?

how much have you read btw Kanna
good point about mastina though
her inactivity isn't actually site-wide

Morty!
why does Rick abandon us

pooky please make kanna aware of these questions

[olaf]

also we've socially been on the outs the entire game, we even had the honor of being the first wagon~; why waste a nightkill on us when you can just wifom (did I use this right I have no idea what this stands for lol) kill us during the day

because if you die and flip town everyone you got innos on are cleared
VOTE: War and Peace
Starcrossed is another

[olaf]

Toogeloo what do you make of Dunny thinking you were crumbing dayvig?

[olaf]

okay i'm done here
need to go back to my GUN CABINET and place my M16A2 CARBINE RIFLE back ok this really hot DAY

[olaf]

you can have the flintlock pistol

[olaf]

you hit people with it
it's really effective when they expect you to shoot them so they come in bulletproof gear but then you just whack them a lot

[olaf]

VOTE: Starcrossed

[olaf]

Olaf -- pyro claimed we are a likely pick for scum and that's flattering, but i question that a bit. like, really? i don't think we have more of a chance than anyone else? also we have all been brushing over the fact i think pyro is the real top pick for scum!

you were townreading this slot before
what changed your mind?
is there any reason to scumread me other than thinking my predecessor is likely to be picked?
you've crossed your stars here

-- investigating clidd is a good idea!

why?
you have clidd as a townlock
isn't that a waste from your perspective?

how much have you read btw Kanna
good point about mastina though
her inactivity isn't actually site-wide

Morty!
why does Rick abandon us

pooky please make kanna aware of these questions

for the mother of the christmas spirit
i beg of you mitsuha

[olaf]

oh right
i'm vt as well
i don't agree with close to mass claiming on day 2 but whatever it's fineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[olaf]

morning's really obvious town and removing any reasonable doubt that that slot is town when the doubt was only like 1% anyway
that's kind of thing is right up Morning's alley
Starcrossed Starcrossed Starcrossed...
you apologize but are still voting for her?
and kanna you think i'm town but disregard that and scumread me because i'm more likely to be picked and you don't have scumreads elsewhere?
what? i don't think that's a genuine thought process at all

Morning please vote for Starcrossed

[olaf]

you seemed towny, but that doesn’t mean much to me. the fact that i’m struggling to find scum elsewhere increases you being scum because picks

this part is what i'm replying to
i was one of mitsuha's 2 scumreads *while* she thought i was towny because if draft spec of all things
i don't believe that's genuine

[olaf]

you totally should've sent me the message Morning
i would've performed a masterful crumb

side note:
has anyone else noticed that Ircher's catchup walls have been far far slower than the last versus game
less motivation play scum Ircher?

[olaf]

dk noraa was really obvtown day 1 and 2 before she repped put of the slot (was in a hydra with morning)
ISO the slot
Morning's reaction is valid and very genuine and i suppose could come regardless of alignment but there's other *things* that make me think town

[olaf]

catchup walls have been far far slower than the last versus game

i mean 2 versus games ago

[olaf]

the way she pushed and strongarmed BM based on a DK tell (hi lol)
it's obvious she really believed in it day 1
and then her reaction day 2 after bm flipped town
initial dejection/disappointment followed by slowly getting back into the game but being incredibly frustrated and annoyed at anyone mildly suggested day 1 was her fault because of her guilt
very very obvtown

[olaf]

nah the way she was ultra defensive and self-conscious about it read as super genuine

[olaf]

And by this I don't mean to call that slot scum, rather call you scum for keep calling the slot obvtown when it seems convenient to just habe them as obvtown for the sake of it, focusing on other higher priority slots

lol are you serious

[olaf]

Fey Nancy Sarah all see the same thing i do
why are you shading me for it?
the slot is very obviously town

[olaf]

my answer reflects i don't get your concern floof
the majority of the game sees the slot as obvtown because they are
also you should look back at the way Sherlock constantly kept shading me and lining me up as a future miselim

[olaf]

Fey Nancy Sarah all see the same thing i do
why are you shading me for it?
the slot is very obviously town

'Cause you're the one still doing it after new info has come into the game

the new info makes me more confident the slot is town
i know that kind of thing is enjoyable for Morning so isn't something 'Titus would make for her'
the emotional reaction that follows the accusations i also find very genuine

[olaf]

and kanna you think i'm town but disregard that and scumread me because i'm more likely to be picked and you don't have scumreads elsewhere?
what? i don't think that's a genuine thought process at all

when i say "towny", that doesn't mean i think you're town. at all. i think you are good at seeming town.

~mitsuha

mitsuha! a rare opportunity to talk
do you know why Pooky hasn't been as interested in this game?

[olaf]

and kanna you think i'm town but disregard that and scumread me because i'm more likely to be picked and you don't have scumreads elsewhere?
what? i don't think that's a genuine thought process at all

when i say "towny", that doesn't mean i think you're town. at all. i think you are good at seeming town.

~mitsuha

mitsuha! a rare opportunity to talk
do you know why Pooky hasn't been as interested in this game?

[olaf]

mitsuha! a rare opportunity to talk
do you know why Pooky hasn't been as interested in this game?

he thinks i'm doing a good job (lol)

~mitusha

alright alright
i need you to townspew for me if you're town
it shouldn't be too hard
can you saaaaay ISO Toogeloo and see what kind of read you get? just talk about his content

[olaf]

i suppose he just isn't invested in this game

this is the main reason i scumread you ftr
it seems really strange to me given how active Pooky usually is in these and how he likes Nancy

[olaf]

why do you scumread us, olaf? and why do you think it's scummy of pooky to not post? pooky likes me a lot and you'd assume he wouldn't leave me for dead to play scum, which i don't like

~mitsuha

Pooky's posted more than you have this game
that's an.... interesting angle to take though
you think he'd put more into the game to win it with you if you rolled scum?
why care less to win as town though?
like what's the difference

[olaf]

I am obvtowning by letting Kanna drive the car

make sure there's no stairs in there

[olaf]

i assume he was apologizing for thinking I didn't write the message but I suppose even then he still thinks im scum

pooky - is this correct?
do you still think she's scum?

[olaf]

This is a similar level of engagement to the amount they had in the last versus game, i was thinking anyway

wait, seriously?
pooky seemed hyper engaged and memey in the last one at least for the first half

[olaf]

i was the town stump though
how would i do that
also you were legit the first ban lol

[olaf]

lol i was just about to ask that

[olaf]

well I couldn't take your word for it >_>

sorry I have wronged my soul mason again <_<

obv wouldn't lie about something like that
i kept telling you

[olaf]

she was
just by the scum stump

[olaf]

ah
you know what i trust you Pink ball
and this interaction has made me feel a little better
kanna you better not be faking confidence to get townread as scum
VOTE: War and Peace