Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

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Hi awesome people!

Playing Shadowrun will be back later.

Try not to get too bogged down in mechanics. Lucretia’s comb turns people into a lovesick mass killer on the show until neutralized and then the killer remembers nothing.

https://warehouse13.fandom.com/wiki/Luc ... a%27s_Comb

Please also keep in mind the post count. Imho a majority of posts should be on who we townread and then keeping artifacts away from scum if possible. Both the artifact vote and regular vote gives us stuff.

Will be back in like 5+ hours please don’t spam the thread people.

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if the comb gives random killing powers which aren't the decision of the owner, does it even matter who gets it?

That’s not what I said. I provided the flavor in which the person becomes a killer then doesn’t remember who they killed or did. I doubt things would be random here. The flavor can guide mechanics but may not be 1-1. Random may not necessarily be it. Based on flavor my guess is some kind of neighborize/invest to know someone’s alignment but then scum get an extra kill. Or maybe the players get a hood but become lovers? And no extra kill. So I think it’s really important to give this to someone town. If it’s the invest then they look at a null read. Then if it’s lovers then a scumread maybe.

The above are guesses and could be a lot of things. I don’t think with the hidden nature the mod does random though. The key thing is not to get too caught up in the what and focus on the who.

Hot take Spiffeh is scum or town that scum wanna buddy. Super hot take BM is scum

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And going further I'm willing to publicly claim to have passed my artifact N0 in order to flavor claim to Bork, who was selected at random after removing several players from the list at my discretion.

Interesting. *rubs chin* Do you see a downside to claiming the negative parts of this artifact? I have a weird reason for asking.

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I don't want to discuss any mechanical aspects of the artifact at this time, but I'm not the only one you can ask.

So you’re saying you don’t want to out negative abilities that exist in order to protect a flavor claim which is almost always NAI?

Is this correct?

I know I can ask Bork, but I doubt Bork would lie about receiving an artifact.

What I am more concerned with is you started with an artifact and had a weird ass idea to townfirm yourself as an alignment and I wanna see if you had it as scum or town.

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So you’re saying you don’t want to out negative abilities that exist in order to protect a flavor claim which is almost always NAI?

Have you read the sample PMs?

Not mechanically discussing the artifact, take it up with bork.

Reread them and I fail to see anything special.

If flavor is alignment indicative then scum would receive fake claims.
If flavor is not alignment indicative then why does this matter?

I just don’t see what you’re doing here.

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Not necessarily true re: always pro town.

For Tammy, you think flavor claiming before Day 1 even starts, is dumb to townread?

I'm hoping to get compensated in the form of a replacement, to be clear.

Personally, I'd rather skip the guesswork on the comb power, but that's just me.

Well, you're wrong. Any power, even with a drawback, even if the power itself is not pro-town, is pro-town to give to town in this game because they can just anchor/holster it and never use it and hot potatoe it to avoid it from scum.

In essence, we should never make arguments like "artefacts should be given to people we don't trust". It's a pure trust vote and pro-town to have on a townie. Always.

VOTE: LLD

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If flavor is alignment indicative then scum would receive fake claims.

yikes

guess i need to hit the mechanical drawing board to think of a way to confirm i am a specific person

See I don’t think you’re seeing the point here.

You could claim and be mod confirmed any character from the show that says nothing for who you are.

Instead of “confirming” yourself you should be trying to hunt.

How your flavor claim would fit is irrelevant if scum have fake claims.

You’re spouting noise and should fucking stop.

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Not so sure.
Could just be a poorly throughout plan. Depends on what happens. I highly doubt a N0 power gets given that could confirm an alignment so Prism is sus there. But I think it may be an excited thing vs scum. Whatever Prism’s alignment it seems poorly thought out.

Conversations can be driven by RVS. We have no facts to go off of.

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No facts?

Math are you also scum lol

Correct. Facts = 100% truth.

None of that exists.
We have a likely that Bork was given an artifact by Prism.
We know that there is an artifact that will be distributed.

That’s it for facts. Nothing to go off of and I would rather hunt.

VOTE: Unvote

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I agree it’s suspicious but I can see a Townie motivation if Prism was just excited. They’re not a townread by any means but some of their answers just seem misguided rather than scum. I think if you’re right we learn more seeing how people who townread Prism respond. I think if Prism is scum pushing them here is the wrong play since we can only vote for artifact recipients right now. You’re better off advocating for a townread than a scum one.

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What no quick response to that one Math?

Have to talk to your scum QT about the implications of it first?

I am playing Shadowrun while typing here. I will be necessarily slow. This is not an IRC chat. Slower is better.

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I have a question.

Anyone have any idea how we bronze scum? If artifacts are good to pass to town, then what's stopping scum from just bronzing whoever gets the artifact and we get screwed?

Bronzing is elimming I think it just dead in general.
They could but then at the same point they argue the person is town and if they continue to do that VCA and day play becomes simple.

And yes I could respond when I am not RPing Sir Francis III on mic. I can respond fast doesn’t mean I would.

Pedit: Titus this is morning phase it’s about who gets the power first. Afternoon is scumreads.

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Math I trust you to be my flavor guide this game

im not sure if he is in this game?

Huh?

VOTE: Cakez

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If flavor is alignment indicative then scum would receive fake claims.

yikes

guess i need to hit the mechanical drawing board to think of a way to confirm i am a specific person

See I don’t think you’re seeing the point here.

You could claim and be mod confirmed any character from the show that says nothing for who you are.

Instead of “confirming” yourself you should be trying to hunt.

How your flavor claim would fit is irrelevant if scum have fake claims.

You’re spouting noise and should fucking stop.

What are you even trying to fight about here?

My point is Prism is trying to “confirm” themselves instead of hunting. The question becomes why and since the confirm is impossible as it doesn’t demonstrate alignment it’s noise stopping us from hunting.

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VOTE: titus
I hate her entrance

Cakez it’s voting for townreads because artifacts.

People please read rules.

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I think Spiffeh town BM scum Prism null LLD scum lean Cakez is prob town but scum in a very minor circumstance so not considering it. If I am right then Titus is town by proxy.

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Mala is probably town.

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I think Spiffeh town BM scum Prism null LLD scum lean Cakez is prob town but scum in a very minor circumstance so not considering it. If I am right then Titus is town by proxy.

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WHAT HAPPENED TO TOWNREADING ME EARLIER MATH

Look, the brightside is that you won't need to worry about splitting your time between games and this now, cause you're gonna die here relatively quickly.

It disappeared when I unvoted you. I realized this is likely scum you due to not following certain things are you’re very much machine gun which was a scum tell when you and I were scum together in FA’s game. You’re just loud and perceive me as a threat. Just have to figure out how it applies to Prism and if I interrupted their gambit.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p8518621
The exact same thing here.

She just spams in all caps and it’s dumb to engage it. She’s just trying to make the thread rage.

I post reads to try to keep game moving more all caps.

It’s kinda LLD scum 101. Just scream and yell constantly.

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And if you’re town neither you me. But alas you’re probably not as a looooong time ago we talked about how to read me and you’re consciously ignoring that so *shrug* going to take a nap since I feel like shit.

Spiffeh or Cakez should get the artifact prolly.

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I think the leashing idea is really not smart.

The only thing it does is keep things vanilla and powerless.

I am telling you elim me if you have to the plan is stupid.

Let’s assume Townread X gives an artifact and gives it to scum Y. Scum Y tells the truth we learn nothing.

Let’s assume Scumread Y gives it to Townread X. Townread truth tells we learn nothing unless scum intentionally want to force a 1v1 between those two players.

Assume it’s town and town. We learn nothing.
And assume it’s scum and scum we learn nothing.

Some artifacts will be meant to be passed I think and some kept.

Outing the plan is stupid though.

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I like the idea of accountability, think games with items or games like marketplace that roles are passed around are very often lost because town did not hold people accountable,

Passing it to a second person might not give us that clearance though because people can pass it to their partner for verification.

I also don’t think we should be like you have to pass it because that person could also be scum whether the first was town, it’s expecting everyone to accept this which people aren’t going to do, and it’s plain no fun to vote for someone to get a role because we The they’re town and then go nope can’t use it,

I’m all for accountability, but I don’t really like that kind of leash. I’ve been debating how much they should tell us about the artifact. Whatever the negative thing is might be best kept away from scum.

I agree. Accountability is good. That’s why I asked for the negative of what Prism claimed to have sent to Bork. The fact they won’t do that is very sus.

On top of that a wagon forms instantly on me (yes there’s no votes but there’s the undertones here). I am someone who distinctly knows the flavor and said so in pregame. Cakez picked up on it and if it was really as confirming as Prism said they’d have sent it to me in a heartbeat.

They’re plan was absolute crap and I called them out on it.

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mathscum thinks my plan sucks

clearly i must be on the right track.

Instead of just shading me the thing I literally just complained about if you think the plan is good you should be addressing the concerns.

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Is there any reason for us to think the comb is a good artifact that does good things?

I see people claiming early townreads and trying to pass it off quickly.

Still gone, artifact assigned to me pregame, again b/c of my character

Again, I still maintain this is bullshit.

If this actually confirmed you/your flavor claim you wouldn’t pass it to someone VLA. You’d pass it to someone either with lore knowledge like myself or to someone who you could build a read with, not random.

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I use art to cope

Furthermore if you’re claiming someone similar to Superman (intentionally vague) this claim doesn’t work as he literally couldn’t give his artifact away. It was stuck to him.

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The other alternative would again be a lady who would be a very viable fake claim for scum or town depending upon which timeline we are in. However she doesn’t make sense combined with the black hole reference where as the gentleman does. Therefore she would be a horrible flavor to confirm much as she is probably my favorite character in the entire show.

I feel like y’all are going to yeet me and so I am just going to try to stop as much damage as possible before you do.

You can hate my reads I am shit at it but after I am dead please listen to my mechanical advice. It’s almost always spot on.

I was really excited to go far in this game too.

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Well she’s second or first favorite depending on mood.

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But to answer your question:

"Two Artifacts are presented to the Mafia at the start of the Night phase. They pick one to keep by the end of the Night phase (along with a recipient for it, among their faction or elsewhere) and one that will go to the game thread at the start of the Morning, where the living players will vote on the recipient of that Artifact decided by plurality. The Morning will end if a majority vote is reached for the Artifact recipient."

They can only keep one. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't also want the other one if it might have a benefit to the town.

And, we don't know if scum know what the effects are unless I'm lol missing that from the instructions too. It looks like the recipient is the one who gain that knowledge, so the scum may be choosing blind on what they keep or give away and what they leave for the morning vote.

ok but if they want the haircomb thing

couldnt they just take the haircomb instead of sending the haircomb to the town and giving the other artifact to prism?

And, we don't know if scum know what the effects are unless I'm lol missing that from the instructions too. It looks like the recipient is the one who gain that knowledge, so the scum may be choosing blind on what they keep or give away and what they leave for the morning vote.

im like assuming the scum know what the 2 artifacts do

but like if they don't know what the artifacts do, why the heck would they send the artifact to a townie ?

I already responded to the prism thing. Prism can correct me if I'm wrong, but their post 29 indicates that they started with it.

Besides, night 0 was for passing, in which scum decided what to do with two artifacts - kept or passed one - and sent one for morning.

You're assuming that somehow people were able to make multiple actions with the same artifact last night. That in night 0, scum handed prism an artifact and somehow, maybe with a swift action, prism was able to hand it off to Bork.

Either Prism is town who started with an artifact and handed it to bork.

Or Prism is scum who started with an artifact and handed it to bork

Or Prism is scum who sent one of the two artifacts they were presented to Bork. (Would be funny if they were partners here, but I don't think that's in either of their scum plays.)

So there's the possibility that Prism's thing is completely separate from the two artifacts that began the night.

And they likely don't know what it does before they actually have it. Just because they choose one doesn't mean that they don't want to keep the other artifact out of town's hands. One of the two is going to be up for grabs in the morning; it doesn't mean they're not going to want it especially not knowing what it does.

Let’s think about these options combined with alignment and the picture together:

Town!Prism would be telling the truth in that they want to confirm flavor. This would mean that town!Prism would think flavor is alignment indicative. This would mean someone who has been both for and against the warehouse would be someone who they couldn’t confirm as.

Scum!Prism either wants town credit or knows Bork when opening would say “Hey yo! I got an artifact” this means that if Prism is scum Bork is necessarily town. Scum Prism wouldn’t need a reason to claim the giving of the artifact if it was to a scum buddy unless part of a plan to set up a fake claim which in that case you don’t pass it “at random” or to someone on VLA. So if Prism is scum Bork is town.

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Good morning guys.

Kuribo and I are getting a PT so we can talk about reads without having hydra dissonance or whatever you call it nowadays.

I have some early reads, but going to discuss it with K before I post.

I’m not really townvibing or scumvibing with Math over the flavor bombing part. This show was always a talk about subject. So the flavor for me is a null subject.

I will admit that LLD has a point with no quick back from Math regarding being engaged.

More to come.

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It’s here. We talked a lot at mafia meet about a lot of different things. You holding back and discussing with Kuribo is actually pretty Townie here and it’s a vibe thing. I think if you’re scum you don’t hold back and go whole hog here.

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I use art to cope

Furthermore if you’re claiming someone similar to Superman (intentionally vague) this claim doesn’t work as he literally couldn’t give his artifact away. It was stuck to him.

Not superman



though a search of discobolus and warehouse 13 does bring up his disc as an object but it doesn't seem to be attached to anyone.

Atlas’s trunks. Gave people Superman like powers but there was a cost. The trunks end up being yeeted through a hole. The character wearing them is a one episode character not worth confirming.
There’s also an atlas 66 computer file which refers to a lady. The lady has a major arc and based on someone’s posts I doubt this.

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https://warehouse13.fandom.com/wiki/Ang ... out_Trunks

Here’s the context.

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Random question for you Bork well two:

1) Is the character presented with the item a lady or a man or nonbinary?
2) What’s the negative consequence of the item?

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Except, the sculpture that Prism photoshopped their laptop into is Myron's Discobolus, an ancient Greek sculpture of a discus thrower.

It's not Atlas.

Ugh I really need to brush up on my Greek.

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The main reason I also think flavor is indicative but not a guilty is there’s an artifact in Warehouse 13 (a thimble) that lets people change appearance into seemingly another person. Confirming flavor may help if someone crumbs it or claims it early but other than that it’s probably a shit show.

Pedit: I can do other things. You just haven’t given me a reason to. You haven’t even begun to ask people questions at all. You’re just “my flavor claim” and “I’m confirming it” with a few sheep reads thrown in. You wanted people to interact with your shit and now that I am you get angry? This is literally can’t win for losing.

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Random question for you Bork well two:

1) Is the character presented with the item a lady or a man or nonbinary?
2) What’s the negative consequence of the item?

1) I struggle to see how this is relevant to the game at large
2) contextually either minorly inconvenient or innocuous

Those aren’t direct answers.
There are lots of characters on the show. Surely a gender won’t give it away. I had a reason when I thought it was a soft but if you guess the wrong gender or something like that then the jig is up without exposing Prism in case they’re town.
And outing the negative consequences should be easy enough to do. Why won’t you?

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Because this is a fucking theme I know about. I actually was looking forward to this game. Now instead of actually just lurk saccing and enjoying the hidden references because LLD decided I have to be an IRC bot I have to out what I was thinking instead of letting things progress and try to catch scum.

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I kinda agree with Spiffeh and Pooky + one but not both of Prism/Bork atm.

I gotta cut my hair so afk for the night.

There’s fishy shit going on there.

Outing the negative consequence of Prism is truthtelling could tell us what is coming up so we can prepare. I see zero reason to hide that is protown but I wanna chillax first because maybe I am overreacting.

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Hey Titus, got something up your alley. Make a list of everyone who sussed me at the start don’t forget yourself. Who is scum there

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VOTE: Kuribo

I wonder why Titus missed my question too?

Titus Cakez Pooky?

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Maybe Prism too so scumTitus wants to give the artifact to Prism?

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Hey Titus, got something up your alley. Make a list of everyone who sussed me at the start don’t forget yourself. Who is scum there

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Hey Titus, got something up your alley. Make a list of everyone who sussed me at the start don’t forget yourself. Who is scum there

Here

I am actually going to hold on this question. I want to see the thread flow to determine which people are scum. It's a question to answer on a reread after a day or two. I just have to do it.

Why are you assuming you get more than one day? You bemoan the fact you’re the N1 NK usually. What’s different?

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Okay you can go to null but I am still weary. That’s a good answer though.

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And why are you letting Bork off the hook without verifying Bork’s claim?

Hell I could claim I got your artifact (I would be lying but I could claim it)

For all we know Bork is ascetic and just said that.

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Now that I think about it quiet's opening post was pretty rough.

Yes. It was. I want to see more. insert paragraph about rapidly evolving new players here.

I'm here to let everybody know that while I agree with Dunn that sangres town reads were unnatural at the beginning, Sangres is town.
Because I don't think FF, burdened with a scum role pm can compliment others in the middle of a game like that with Prism.*

*All my reads are subject to reversal.

I think Tammy was doing a seance with their boss's heart.

If you're talking about #300 at the top of this page, then you're attributing a Nacho post to me.

My puzzle is to figure out if this is a thing that town-bell would believe about scum/town ffery. :/

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Also, and this is a question for Dunn, too: Whose reads were unnatural and why?

Insert paragraph about rapidly evolving new players here? < What’s this?

Pretty sure my reads are bad and sangres is scum without a damn good explanation.

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Ok what's your point here? This is such a dumb thing to nitpick.

My point is that I feel like you're making mountains out of emotional molehills by calling that a meltdown, and that's a real real strong alarm bell to me.

So again, I ask you, what part of that post you quoted do you call a meltdown? Two mildly peeved posts, if even that level of annoyance is hardly a meltdown, but that's the word you used.

-k

He was literally saying he was excited to play the game but was accepting that he was going to be elimmed after like one person attacked him. It was ridiculous.

LLD Mala Prism Bell Titus Dunn are one person. Some have stated they’ve checked out til elim phase. That’s not one person.

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Cakez giving out town vibes.

But I will be throwing away all my reads because I'm going to inevitably get suckered by someone that knows how to push the I'm town button. Hell, it's more likely that town don't push the town button so early because they're town and not terribly insecure.

I'm against it. The last scum game Prism had with me (FGO) they were very good at faking a town mind set. The first thing they did when they got into the game was social engineering Bork and through him, everybody else.
Call it paranoia or the "I don't like to give people things that they want because I'm a jerk" Bell personality quirk.

No he is not.
He says he’s going to trust me on being flavor guide then attacks me using misreps twice now.

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Now that I think about it quiet's opening post was pretty rough.

Yes. It was. I want to see more. insert paragraph about rapidly evolving new players here.

I'm here to let everybody know that while I agree with Dunn that sangres town reads were unnatural at the beginning, Sangres is town.
Because I don't think FF, burdened with a scum role pm can compliment others in the middle of a game like that with Prism.*

*All my reads are subject to reversal.

I think Tammy was doing a seance with their boss's heart.

If you're talking about #300 at the top of this page, then you're attributing a Nacho post to me.

My puzzle is to figure out if this is a thing that town-bell would believe about scum/town ffery. :/

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Also, and this is a question for Dunn, too: Whose reads were unnatural and why?

Insert paragraph about rapidly evolving new players here? < What’s this?

Pretty sure my reads are bad and sangres is scum without a damn good explanation.

Requoting this to make sure it doesn’t get lost

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And how am I doing that?
The entire argument I am scum is based on I didn’t react immediately despite a flu and roleplaying with friends and my reaction time.
If I dissuade that I am spamming and running up post count and therefore “feeding people”.
If I don’t respond immediately then I am scum for not responding fast enough.
It’s lose lose.

What do you think of Sangres?

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Why does town post “insert paragraph about rapidly evolving new players here”?
1. Yes it feels like it’s all “math sucks or didn’t pass my piss poor reaction test”
2. Yes I do otherwise I am scumread per earlier
3. See above
4. Wow such great content.

Pedit: Prism isn’t new. They’re experienced.

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I think we need to move on to elimination phase.

@Math, I have lost the thread to what you're trying to say. I also frankly do not care. Take a VLA. Let the thread talk about not!you. If you don't, you'll be the elimination more likely than not. I only say this because I think you're town.

My point was sangres slipped and posted something meant for the scum PT here. He literally posted (paraphrased) “insert paragraph here about rapidly evolving new players”. Keep in mind this was written in response to a Prism post about quiet. This is something that’s done if town when making a case or if in a scum PT. Notes like that are meant for drafts. So I asked for an explanation.

Instead of saying he was drafting something it’s an offhand comment to Prism. Then later on he messes up Prism and Quiet.

I think sanges and Prism are scum together with one of Cakez or Bell or both attempting to cover that slip.

People don’t just offhand comment “Insert paragraph” I may be socially weird but that doesn’t happen.

I am taking a VLA like you suggest but I really think there’s some shady shit going on there

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VLA until tomorrow after work

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Other Artifact distribution mechanics may be in play throughout the game. A set number of Artifacts were designed prior to game start. If the Warehouse is unable to distribute enough Artifacts during the game for a given phase at any point, a priority list has been designated by the mod for the distribution of remaining Artifacts. Once there are no more Artifacts to distribute, no new ones will be generated and the game will continue without that mechanic in play

Is this how Prism got their artifact?

This is where I am torn. Based on day play I believe you are scum. However this is what I think dooms Prism.

This says a set number of Artifacts exist in the game as a whole.
If a number of artifacts are unable to be distributed (say X), then a priority list of who gets an artifact has been set by the mod.
What this means is that if X artifacts are unable to be distributed then it follows a priority list generated by the mod.

My theory is that scum know this priority list and want me gone because of it and Prism did not pick Bork. Either scum gave the Trident to Bork intentionally or Bork happened to be at the top of the list for credit.

HG to anyone who has watched the show would be a horrible flavor to try to confirm because (spoiler alert) as she betrays the warehouse and comes back into the fold later. That betrayal is centered around the Trident.

You’re asking us to believe this distribution applied N0 and that you wanted to confirm a flavor that is possibly scum and you’re a VT doing so?

That’s sketchier than LLD’s mason claim.

My guess is we’re all vanilla here except for artifacts with the exception of maybe one to two players at most besides the masons if they exist at all. If this sounds familiar it’s similar in mechanics to Civ 6. Ring a bell anyone?

I will respond to the rest more in depth after work but I find it really hard to believe that Prism wants to confirm HG as town. I wonder if there is a traitor. OP said 4 mafia...I wonder if they share a PT or one could be traitor.

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Furthermore I am sketched out that Bork never confirmed anything specific so we don’t know if Bork actually got it.

So this is just weird. I don’t like it and maintain my objection and if I am miselimmed while I am at work artifacts always go to townreads. Assume LLD is scum until/unless she proves a mason buddy as she is breaking the cardinal rules of how she operates. Her play today is absolute garbage and she should be ashamed.

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Now one last thing before you all go run and play don’t make me take all your bracelets. Be nice people.

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Math, I'm going to ask you a shitty question

I'm...I've seen a fair amount of "garbage" town plays in my short time on this site. I've seen a lot of Day1 claims. Almost expect it to a point.

My gut reaction to what you just posted was to feel like you were, in the words of Prism earlier I believe, blatantly fishing for a second Mason claim. Is Mason a high frequency fake claim?
More importantly, fmpov, why should I believe that a LLD fakeclaim is more likely than you fishing? I'm not sure I understand the utility of you fishing here, which makes my point worse than it would otherwise be, but from someone who was getting geared up to go and see if I could make a reasonable TownBlade case, I'd like a bit more context.

I'm also not sure I'm whole in agreement about the role speculation; I feel like theres a few flavorful ways I could see masons working, but fair point that theres prob less roles due to the presence of artifacts.

LLD tends to scream an idea until people buy it as scum. I am not fishing for it. I am saying don’t trust she is a mason until it’s confirmed because I refuse to buy someone else contributed / allowed for this stupidity. I don’t want the other masons to out if it exists. Mason isn’t a common fake claim but I was set to roll with it until LLD said she was masons with herself. I don’t trust her and my point was when I flip town the claim shouldn’t be trusted. The only question is whether this is town!arrogant LLD or scum one.

I want someone like Kitty or Spiffeh getting artifacts someone obvTown.

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My note is for something to remember after I am dead. Not to be actioned now.

And if I flip town is likely a scum claim from Dunn.

Not voting there because I don’t know the vote count and have to work now

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Like, why did you actually start talking about traitor?

Because HG was a traitor on the show and that’s a flavor that could be any of the alignments.

I can see that play distinctly for a traitor.

Atlas 66 I mentioned earlier refers to HG.

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@Math, I'm not sure I buy LLD's mason claim either, but I don't think it's necessarily scum driven. Pushing for the other hypothetical mason only helps scum if it is true and we're wrong. If LLD is a mason, she should have sat on the claim. LLD wanted control so that lead to the claim. LLD wanting control is NAI though. She's willing to lie to get it as either alignment. Best to punt and let her reveal alignment by play.

That’s also my point.

I am saying it’s LLD don’t trust the claim and if I am miselimmed LLD should not be a mason in your mind

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The other alternative would again be a lady who would be a very viable fake claim for scum or town depending upon which timeline we are in. However she doesn’t make sense combined with the black hole reference where as the gentleman does. Therefore she would be a horrible flavor to confirm much as she is probably my favorite character in the entire show.

I feel like y’all are going to yeet me and so I am just going to try to stop as much damage as possible before you do.

You can hate my reads I am shit at it but after I am dead please listen to my mechanical advice. It’s almost always spot on.

I was really excited to go far in this game too.

This here. HG can be town or scum depending upon which timeline we’re in so trying to confirm HG as town makes even less sense.

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I'm pretty sure flavor does not equal alignment knowing the mods

Then Prism having been here longer than you doesn’t try to confirm flavor either.

I think scum have fake claims due to the thimble. But I just don’t see why Prism does this.

Pedit:

1) I left for almost 24 hours. I posted one thought ffs.
2) So?
3) I am pretty sure I have the evidence to do so based on flavor and have been saying such.
4) My posts are very comprehensible.

I do have to work now but saying I can’t play is typical town you.

I didn’t post close to all of Sunday ffs and most all today is gone I do have posting requirements because rules.

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Furthermore I am sketched out that Bork never confirmed anything specific so we don’t know if Bork actually got it.

So this is just weird. I don’t like it and maintain my objection and if I am miselimmed while I am at work artifacts always go to townreads. Assume LLD is scum until/unless she proves a mason buddy as she is breaking the cardinal rules of how she operates. Her play today is absolute garbage and she should be ashamed.

I can't even remember a Bork post this game. He needs to get his butt in here.

Vig Cakez imho.

His stance around me and my posts reads as buddying yet paints me as having a meltdown.

People being nice to me doesn’t happen from town.

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Nice in terms of gameplay*

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Actually
VOTE: Cakez

Hopefully this can become a thing.

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I will make you a deal LLD.

I will self hammer if you get me to L-1 and then you and the game tunnel Cakez tomorrow as hard as you’re tunneling me. Because you’re wrong here and your reads suck if you’re town. Your mason claim is sus as fuck.

I know I am town and I think if I think you’re masons this keeps you alive and if I don’t then I don’t.

It’s a win win.

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I literally just finished a game with Cakez scum.

I feel bad he keeps drawing it but this is his MO.

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General negativity and not building a townread list or starting from there

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=26092

Same vibes as here
I suck at explaining meta reads so example provided

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Maybe scum. 65% sure. Much more sure on Cakez.

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My biggest concern on the Dunn wagon is it’s too fast.
I know I am town but I am no big loss if I die except flavor knowledge.
I just can’t help but figure out why I was singled out as I sometimes suck with reads << No offense from earlier Spiffeh.
I wouldn’t have the foggiest idea if I am hammering him or not.

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Why would scum want me a let’s be generous and say below average player like me dead?

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Along that thought stream, what if LLD is town and Prism is town and they’re both town derp? Scum didn’t want me miselimmed but were more than happy to add to the pressure.

And Cakez that is not you every game. You ask more questions as town. More vocal.

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To be clear I think Prism could be traitor but probably not worth a push today.

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My point here was that going out of your way to work in the "LLD over Prism" bit struck me as odd and performative. I'm not at all surprised to see that you would never townread me in a million years.

Eh, wasn't out of my way whatsoever; I checked out of the thread during the morning phase when it was still up in the air who would get it, with a fair lean towards you. I came back, saw you didn't get it, was relieved for reasons I stand behind, but given that I didn't vote/was away from the discussion, I wanted to give a signpost for my feeling on who should have received the artifact. It was the first thing on my mind when I came back to the thread.

This SirCakez vs Math thing is interesting. The way SirCakez phrased his question to me about Math was also interesting. SirCakez + Spiff are responsible for the Dunn wagon, SirCakez with their hot take, Spiff with the strong follow through.

@Math why has scum!SirCakez positioned himself around both you and Dunn the way he has? If you think Dunn is 65% scum, but SirCakez is worse, SirCakez positioning is bussing to you, with the intention of swapping back onto you later in the day? I'm not super convinced of that

Not sure why yet. Dunn does feel scum but so does Cakez. I don’t think the possible positioning on me is likely though. Cakez does remember his positioning as scum as evidenced by the elo spat. I also don’t consider him responsible for Dunn. He had an early vote sure but Spiffeh seems to drive more than Cakez off the top of my head. Will have to double check after work.

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I explained that terribly; what I mean is that following your FoS, you think there is a decent frequency at which scum!Cakez busses Dunn, gets called on it by Spiff, looks to transition suspicion back to you by EoD?

(pedit, yep, that's pretty close to what you just said)

Okay, interesting. It was a decently light suspicion that Cakez was throwing Dunn's way before Spiff stepped in.

@Dunn, why did you choose to push back on Spiff and not Cakez? Do you have a Cakez read?

That I am not sure of. Mainly I think Cakez’s opening where he’s really nice then characterizes me as melting down (which Spiffeh mentioned) then coming back in and being all gungho on Dunn after others are is characteristic of he doesn’t want to be seen on a me wagon if he’s scum. Not sure if it’s a bus though is my problem. Could be.

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He knows what my scum play when it’s not smart to push anywhere is. See day one of the Boonskiies game. I was trying to get elimmed and put out weak defenses to try to not be elimmed just in case it worked. I know when as scum a slot can be saved and when I die. (Eg when accidentally bussing traitor in elo same game) because there was no way to push anyone without confirming them as town. (Ironically as scum I suck at finding traitor lol)

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don't let the great be the enemy of the good

This Math. You have to understand every scumread you can get is good. As the game progresses, you can be more stubborn on reads but early it's all about building the core that gets consensus reads out.

Can you do an unofficial VC? I am scared of hammering Dunn while I am at work.

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Why would scum want me a let’s be generous and say below average player like me dead?

Free miselimination is a free miselimination

That’s what I said. That’s why towards the end (Eg Dunn and Cakez although not voting saying meltdown) are more likely scum than not mason LLD and Prism.

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VOTE: Dunn

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Dumb question Titus why were you waiting on me to vote Dunn before voting there?

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This feels ugly. I want that on the record. If Dunn isn’t scum I want Titus and Cakez and maaaaybe one of LLD or Prism.

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And Pooky imho is scum.

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who do you want if Dunn is scum?

Still you and Cakez.

Titus is the conditional.

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seems like scum are pretty happy to vote Dunnstrall, but not Mathblade.

Name names please

Pretty sure Bell is town here Spiffeh.

I have spicy reasons I shouldn’t say.

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Though, it would make sense for her to be less willing to go to bat for Math since she spent two full games defending him when he was scum (for the purposes of honesty I will note both times she did klll her brother with her own hands..eventually)
I don't think a policy elimination is even close to warranted for Math. I just think he's scum. He's not a true negative presence in games (on the other hand, I don't policy eliminate anyone, so).

I get your read Bell. I just think you’re wrong about me. I keep my meta similar to avoid trust tells and have been working on improving it and have done a good job at doing so. (See where I replaced into masons twice) I just think Titus is working under old me meta and it sucks. I am actually cooperative as any alignment now.

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I agree Titus is probably town which means she’s gonna say I suck at working together no matter what despite me in prior games actually being good town and she was in scums pocket so hard I deviated at the very end.

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i dont trust myself to read you Bell, you always look scummy to me

Trust me then. Bell is town. I understand his read. Elim me if you have to. Bell is town.

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I agree Titus is probably town which means she’s gonna say I suck at working together no matter what despite me in prior games actually being good town and she was in scums pocket so hard I deviated at the very end.

What caused your read change on me?

I’ve had a town read on you.

Your townread is conditional on Dunn because you want me to stop pushing my top scumreads of Cakez and Pooky and consolidate super early.

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i dont trust myself to read you Bell, you always look scummy to me

Sure.

I don't agree that Titus is probably town.

I feel like there are two factions in this game and I'm not sure which one is mixed with scum. But one faction is larger than the other, so I'll just go ahead and say the larger faction has more scum. Rather than factions I'd say there's 2 reads lists being thrown about.

Sure, Math. I agree that based on previous posts you've made, that your town games and scum games are probably similar in wording and sentence structure. Even though I've never played with town you. I don't see much reason for you to lie about that, though I'm sure there are differences.

Bell there’s only one scum faction per the OP. It says 4 mafia. If you’re feeling there’s two scum groups then either there is a traitor or there’s a town group pocketed by scum.

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Day one is where scum mess up the most. It’s why scum hate replacements. The tone of a game is set in D1. If people looked back in Boonskiies they would have saw that we hardly bussed at all. While it’s not solved D1 no, a lot of tells are given as to who won’t push who.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85010

Please look back at this game and stop assuming/poisoning the thread that I am inherently bad.

I caught FL damn early then and then proceeded to catch the rest. But kept having to argue I am decent with you so much I swapped out a scumread at the last minute for you.

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I don’t think it’s a dumb instinct. I think it’s more self preservation instinct as I don’t remember if we’ve had a town game together except probably this one. I think your instincts will heal over time.

That’s exactly what I mean by two factions. If Prism + LLD are town there’s likely a scum in each camp kinda keeping that up. If one is scum and the other is town then that explains the factions. If they’re both scum then we’re all just hella confused so much so I am disregarding this possibility for now and would come back to it only on flip of Prism or LLD.

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Grey’s town.

Wake him up in 3 days I guess lol.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85010

Please look back at this game and stop assuming/poisoning the thread that I am inherently bad.

I caught FL damn early then and then proceeded to catch the rest. But kept having to argue I am decent with you so much I swapped out a scumread at the last minute for you.

with the greatest respect math, that game is literally the last one I'd pick as an illustration of your ability as a player.

Why not? It’s one of the most if not the most recent completed town game. Unless my memory is getting old.

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LLD what’s your plan when I flip one of your supposed bosses?

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Bell and BM both town tbh

I agree with this.

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I'm not really feeling up to the task of playing today so I'm going to substitute a brief survey of where I'm at.

I'm calling all of Tammy, BM, sangres, and Bell town in that order.

I townlean Spiffeh/Cakez after that. Finally, Titus is probably my weakest townlean.

LLD is town basically just for the claim. Kitty's posts looked fine but I never really sat and chewed on them.

Having a much harder time with scumreads this game, I've basically refused to think about Math until l get a chance to sit down and read very deeply. Dunn is rough, the softs make me want to say town but are just bizarre. Quiet is lackluster but not hard scum. I want more from players like bork, mastina, GreyICE, and Pooky (Not really a lurker) because I think they're likely scum slots by default.

I agree with all that except Sangres and Dunn. Quiet is town too probably.

Anyone voting Bell gets the state of death from me.

And LLD I am one of your royalty if you’re Abigail. Gender may or may not be a bit off but I have a town to raise here so blah.

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The problem I have with that Bork is no negative side to an artifact that is world destroying is kinda not believable.

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The problem I have with that Bork is no negative side to an artifact that is world destroying is kinda not believable.

Both Prism and Bork would have this knowledge though...

Yeah and if Prism says the downside is negligible then just share it problem solved.

Prism can check Bork and verify Bork got it and we don’t tell scum what it can do if both are town. Win win.

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Or ideally Bork says it and Prism confirms.

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I do but if Dunn is town Titus stock goes down.
Bell is one of my few lock towns.

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I do but if Dunn is town Titus stock goes down.
Bell is one of my few lock towns.

Bell is based on what? He's my highest SR currently.

VOTE: SirCakez

Come sheep me Bell.

Based on me being a day cop Titus /s

I have reasons but they’re anti town to say

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I do but if Dunn is town Titus stock goes down.
Bell is one of my few lock towns.

Bell is based on what? He's my highest SR currently.

VOTE: SirCakez

Come sheep me Bell.

Based on me being a day cop Titus /s

I have reasons but they’re anti town to say

I just spit out my water. You have no problem posting other stuff that's been anti-town but when it comes to helping out your sister you can't because it's suddenly anti-town?

And you're backing off the place we agree has a possibility of being scum and going back to your own tunnel read.

Fine. I will lie. Bell is the paragon of townieness. His ISO is so Townie he can’t say shit. Happy now?
And no, none of my posting has been antitown.

And yes I am because I can always switch back to Dunn. Pooky and Cakez are poking each other and I wanna see where it leads.

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VOTE: SirCakez

Come sheep me Bell.

Bell's been trying to eliminate you? Why would he sheep you?

He might not want to sheep me. He’s been waffling. I think he can read between the lines here of what I am trying to do and if not oh well he doesn’t sheep me

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Not budging, it's unfortunate that your mathtown playbook is so close to your scum math playbook if you're town this game.
I think I'm just uncritically comparing every card you throw. The "wait, listen I have reasons but it would be anti-town to say so" is stripped from mbos6.

I'm not sure how to get a more nuanced read of you and how to reverse my read of you if you are town tbh. /:

So you don’t read between the lines damn. That sucks okay then. Guess I will just have to keep being myself then.

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VOTE: Mathblade

If you aren't willing to rationally discuss your reads but expect people to sheep you, I have no hope of reading you. When you don't work with people who are wagoning your scumreads because it's not your favorite, then I cannot work with you.

If I cannot read you and I cannot work with you, why keep you?

I did rationally discuss my reads. I can’t say why I townread Bell. That’s the truth. And if I said why I townread Bell that’s even worse. And there you go again with no hope. You have time. You just don’t want to consider me town.

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Not budging, it's unfortunate that your mathtown playbook is so close to your scum math playbook if you're town this game.
I think I'm just uncritically comparing every card you throw. The "wait, listen I have reasons but it would be anti-town to say so" is stripped from mbos6.

I'm not sure how to get a more nuanced read of you and how to reverse my read of you if you are town tbh. /:

So you don’t read between the lines damn. That sucks okay then. Guess I will just have to keep being myself then.

You're probably talking about ongoing games. But I'm

mumbles

Actually I am only talking about this one. I loathe ongoing game talk

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Oh. okay.
well the issue there is that you hope people read between the lines with whatever fake idea is in your head as scum too. So it's like, how do I tell the difference?

Figure out what the between the lines is.
What would be relevant to you and not say Spiffeh who is a townread as well.
Look at what I specifically send to you to try to mend that difference.

That’s what I would do to read me.

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Find a shoe? I thought you were a doctor because that’s not a crumb it’s a claim.

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I don’t think it’s a dumb instinct. I think it’s more self preservation instinct as I don’t remember if we’ve had a town game together except probably this one. I think your instincts will heal over time.

That’s exactly what I mean by two factions. If Prism + LLD are town there’s likely a scum in each camp kinda keeping that up. If one is scum and the other is town then that explains the factions. If they’re both scum then we’re all just hella confused so much so I am disregarding this possibility for now and would come back to it only on flip of Prism or LLD.

Oh. okay.
well the issue there is that you hope people read between the lines with whatever fake idea is in your head as scum too. So it's like, how do I tell the difference?

Figure out what the between the lines is.
What would be relevant to you and not say Spiffeh who is a townread as well.
Look at what I specifically send to you to try to mend that difference.

That’s what I would do to read me.

This is where I tried to send you you’re a doctor.

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The problem I have with that Bork is no negative side to an artifact that is world destroying is kinda not believable.

don't know what to tell you, and unless you think prism and i are scum together then you're going to have to accept that show flavor and mechanical flavor are not going to be congruent

The reason I've been keeping this close to my chest is 1) it's really, really not a big deal and 2) i don't really feel the need to trade exposed information for any sort of perceived cred from you. I get your angle - it's just not going to go anywhere useful here and I'm trying to tell you that.

If you really, really want to fucking keep it real here then fine, say so and I'll out the negative effect in my next post just so we can move on.

Bell is one of the few people I'm comfortable reading from tone / level of engagement / sense of direction and he's being pretty town here.

Don't like titus 656

There’s a perceived disconnect here I don’t know how to sort from you. Now that you’re giving reads I have something to sort. Keep posting reads and if I think you’re scum I will ask you too. The fact you’re posting thoughts now makes me not as skiddish and maybe you did get it.

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The reason I randomly capitalized the doCter was because I was on my phone in that game and it randomly capitalizes letters which made people think I was an even night doc. Or something. I forgot whether it was even or odd.

Anyway, I've successfully read between the lines and all I got is that it was a terribly shallow read of me and that you would have been significantly better off just reading my posts to determine I was town this game.

Well I townread you anyway now It’s not just mech spec anymore.

@Titus — See? It’s generally antitown to go “I think Bell’s the fucking doctor”.

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I can see Titus + Cakez + Pooky and she hating me for getting a right read.

No one’s really doing Titus though and I feel more likely you’re scum than her though.

Push something? If Titus is scum vote her or someone you think with her.

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That was also a joke. It was a reference to nursing because we need a bunch of doctors notes to do a bunch of different procedures. I intentionally capitalized doctor to continue the gag.
Did everyone just forgot that I told everyone in that game I don't crumb?

I know I did. But I am old so sometimes I need reminders.

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Dunn, Bell, if you had to add one player to your town block who would it be?
And no repeating who the last player said.

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K then If Titus is scum then Prism,LLD,Bell,and Dunn are off the table for elims. I’d add myself but you misread me as scum so that doesn’t count. And while I scumread Prism and LLD to an extent it’s not enough to veto that.

Now if Titus is scum then Cakez and Pooky probably scum? What do you think of this hypothesis?

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Wait.
Why did Mathblade crumb his suspicion that I was a doctor in this game, like I would somehow doubt the veracity and would absolutely need to know when and where he thought I was a doc?
That's the silliest alibi if town and near self-defeating as scum.

It wasn’t meant to be an alibi. I was trying to reach out to you going “Hey you! I think you’re the doctor.”

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That's silly and you're silly.

Well duh. I think that’s already established

So let’s think for a minute. Do you think Dunn and Titus are TvS, SvT, TvT,SVS?

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If you get back tonight I would be really interested as to why you want to wagon me despite doing something in your words that would be self defeating? Meaning that if I was scum I would be caught right? So then by your own words I am not scum?

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Spoiler: I think you did

Wait.
Why did Mathblade crumb his suspicion that I was a doctor in this game, like I would somehow doubt the veracity and would absolutely need to know when and where he thought I was a doc?
That's the silliest alibi if town and near self-defeating as scum.

That's silly and you're silly.

Well duh. I think that’s already established

So let’s think for a minute. Do you think Dunn and Titus are TvS, SvT, TvT,SVS?

I have dinner and then I need to do some training modules.
maybe TVS? I don' really think they're strongly in conflict though. I suspect Titus, and I wiggle a bit on Dunnstral because I'm weak to peer pressure. But I don't want to wagon either of them rn.
I want to wagon you. But I need to keep my eyes open, sure. Sigh, I've spent too much time playing mafia today. Rip.

If you get back tonight I would be really interested as to why you want to wagon me despite doing something in your words that would be self defeating? Meaning that if I was scum I would be caught right? So then by your own words I am not scum?

If you get back tonight I would be really interested as to why you want to wagon me despite doing something in your words that would be self defeating? Meaning that if I was scum I would be caught right? So then by your own words I am not scum?

I did not imply that. Nor are people models of perfect scum play or efficiency. Nor would I weigh it heavily. If I were you rn, I might be thinking you're a scum traitor crumbing that I'm a doc, but happily, I'm not that far gone yet.

Am I missing something here? Like is Bell saying he didn’t do something he did earlier? Am I having a grammar fail?

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Hey folks, quick skill testing question

do you think scum get to see what the mechanics of the 2 artefacts they have to choose between are before they ship them?

If yes, is there any downside to me hardclaimign the full effects of the artefact?

If no, is it worth hardclaiming it in certain circumstances anyway

If it’s what I think it is, guessing on flavor, claiming it then passing it on to someone in secret (like if you are a mason buddy to them) or a top town read is best. Then if scum attempt to kill the person who got the artifact they can’t stop the power. Right now the power is too concentrated if you’re town mason. But then again I doubt you are so...but I will continue to pretend

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However if you intend on using it I wouldn’t claim it so scum don’t know how to stop it if they can stop it.

It depends on what you do LLD.

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As to your primary question I think we need a scum flip to determine what scum know and then wifom their response.

As I think this game is very close to PR less without artifacts based on scum picking one mechanic my guess is they do and almost all the powers would be artifacts.

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@Sangres,
f you played with somebody 3 times in a row and they were scum every time and in the next game they played with you they used the same patterns of thinking, speaking and strategies littered throughout the game, would you town read them?
I've seen everything Mathblade has to offer as scum.

Nothing he's done has moved me off of him because everything he's doing is the same as before.
His house of cards on the Doc read lacked cohesiveness. There was no, Bell seems town to based on posting and that he crumbed doc. It was just that I crumbed Doc and therefore he's my friend because he's town too. The second that collapse he just latched on to the next thing and did an interest check on a Bell wagon.

If Math is scum here, you just fell for those tricks and strategies that he uses to fake a town mindset and earn a town read.
If Math is town, I'm just too stuck on shallow pattern recognition like I was with Shellyc. I wish I could recognize depth to his thinking, but it looks shallow to me.

No I still townread you.

I was interest checking you as a townblock silly

Like what?

And clearly I don’t think LLD is a mason and neither should town LLD is clearly faking it. I mean who claims masons on d1 against Prism? C’mon y’all.

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Clearly you can’t read intonation AT ALL which makes me harden down on my scumread of you.

LLD is absolutely

NOT

a mason. ;);)

Don’t make me case that and just sheep it. She can still be town though.

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Alas I do sir. The bear is bad.
VOTE: Pooky

I do scumread you.

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You’re welcome to flip me. I flip green then you and Cakez.

I am okay with that.

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Don’t need to. I am town and have different tunnels monsieur.

I am playing for reactions. I give 0 fucks if I live beyond today.

My job is to set town up to be better. If that requires my death so be it.

When we played together in the game I tunneled you different circumstances mister.

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I will make you a deal sangres.

If we elim scum today your scum slip clearly wasn’t one

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Please don’t call people it unless they say they are okay with it. It can be a very harmful pronoun.

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I would “bus” any of those besides me. (Bus is in quotes as I am not scum) Pooky too less sure on Bork because of recent posts.

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Actually the more I think about it Bork is bad today if Prism is town.

Simply because we don’t know what happens to the artifact if Bork is dead.

I still maintain Bork is possibly scum but elimming Bork would be bad for that reason.

I think Bork should have to pass the artifact to a top town read imho or depending upon Prism’s say so use it.

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I am pretty sure I am wrong on Cakez btw. And nope not elaborating on why.

Lurking the thread as asked except to say Dunn seems desperate.

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Dunn Pooky Titus ? It gels really well.

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GreyICE is town.

For proof of this see Boonskiies where I was coaching (a little) Cakez. His scum game is getting a lot better than people give credit for.

I am good/great scum. Working on my town game.

Also sangres regarding post count it’s literally damned if I do damned if I don’t.

*goes back to lurking*

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Like honestly the least believable part of that hypothesis

Is Cakez coaching Mathblade. And not, like, visa versa.

GreyICE is saying if I am scum I would be coaching MathBlade.

He’s putting logical stuff out there that makes sense therefore he’s probably town.

When I understand him and he explains he’s town

When he’s argumentative and demanding and “spicy” he’s scum.

So he’s town.

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I would be coaching Cakez lol*

[MathBlade]

So? It works? I haven’t played a completed game with him in a year+ though so grain of salt I guess. That’s been my experience though. *shrug*

I don’t care if it’s a low bar or “weird” if someone does something as town and not as scum or vice versa that forms my reads until otherwise.

[MathBlade]

It's their justification for voting me

what does it mean then?

Ask math, not me.

But it looks like they are saying that I was saying they were having a meltdown, which is not true. That could also be directed as jsut SirCakez so I'm not really sure.

Either way that seems like a criminally low bar to set

This has been my argument for other people this game, but sangres/pooky and others are being SO defensive about it, like how dare I question their godreads

My argument was a lot of players in the game had shaded and/or voted for me at that point. SirCakez being hyperbolic (?) said I was having a meltdown over like one vote. Which had no context of the rest of players shade.

[MathBlade]

It’s just weird Mastina and LLD (whose clearly NOT a mason ) agree on reads.

And the reads are garbage.

Cakez townslipped after I scumread him
Prism is probably scum but that’s either having to put a scumread there or buddying my scumread there
Literally no one agrees with my prism read. They think I am ridiculous.

So I find it weird Mastina’s reads match mine about almost midpoint through the morning but yet I am scum.

That doesn’t sit right.

[MathBlade]

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

152 was also my first post of the game, by the way

Hey Dunn, I think we’re both being set up here.

Can you do a read wall and I just vote the person lowest on your wall I agree with?

Kinda thinking Mastina Titus?

Just gonna reset all my reads

[MathBlade]

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

152 was also my first post of the game, by the way

Hey Dunn, I think we’re both being set up here.

Can you do a read wall and I just vote the person lowest on your wall I agree with?

Kinda thinking Mastina Titus?

Just gonna reset all my reads

Other than you?

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
Sircakez

Scummier near the bottom

I can do BM or Titus. I prefer Titus.

[MathBlade]

why haven't you called me scum yet?

Because the only reason I have to call you scum is "too townie to be town" because you're radiating town energy like I've never seen before.

You said it yourself; you're the most obvtown you've ever been--literally the ONLY possible reason I'd have to EVER think you scum is that you've never been this town when town; you were even less town as the IC in Pooky v FL, you're more town this game than you were when you were literally conftown.

I'm not inclined to believe in "too townie to be town", because it doesn't look like you're trying to look town without being town; you legit feel like town.

Really? 152 made me go from nullscum to locktown?

Yup! You went from not posting (possible scum indicator) to posting good solid content that looked highly town-indicative to me.

So I find it weird Mastina’s reads match mine about almost midpoint through the morning but yet I am scum.

I don't see you voting Prism, do I?

Nope you don’t and when you catch up you will see why.

[MathBlade]

Why do I feel like Mastina is saying what I said but better and is scum vote it?

Like logically my brain says town but my gut pings she’s scum.

VOTE: Mastina

I wanna see if scumreads or townreads follow or no one.

[MathBlade]

Like I want Mastina to be town because that probably means I am right on Prism.

On paper Mastina is probably town for same wavelength I just can’t shake she’s scum.

[MathBlade]

Actually wait

VOTE: Prism

This I think gets better results and checks Mastina and no artifact risk.

And if Prism is scum then the why Bork can be analyzed too.

[MathBlade]

Mastina why do you scumread me despite making the same arguments as me?

[MathBlade]

At this point the thread is going to be pissed off when I flip town and bicker at each other. This is the first time I have /inned to a game in a year+ and the biggest thing I have learned is just to never /in and replace in always. And that’s sad.

You’re still scum Pooky.

[MathBlade]

@Cakez that was still a replace in.
As a rule I don’t /in to setups because I hate RVS and always get picked on.
In a year nothing changed.

[MathBlade]

Tammy is town.
Bell is town.
Cakez is pretty near that level.

I have decided to swap from scum reads to town reads and people never to elim if I get miselimmed. That’s more my strength anyway.

[MathBlade]

Quite possibly the towniest town who ever towned

Honestly not wrong.

I actually think you're probably my strongest non-LLD townread, which would be:
Lady Lambdadelta*
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dunnstral
Bell
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
borkjerfkin
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
GreyICE*

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage


quiet

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

FUCK YOU

I DON'T WANT TO LYNCH LLD DAY ONE

I'VE BEEN AVOIDING THIS

Like she's not town.
I know she's not town.
It's just not a wagon that's going to succeed today, and I'd like to play a game with my wife where something stupid doesn't happen day 1.
If I'm dead tonight come back to this plox

Which she do you mean?
If you mean LLD then why does scum!LLD attack me out of the gate and fake claim mason?
If you mean Mastina then why does scum!Mastina sheep my Prism read hard?

[MathBlade]

Quite possibly the towniest town who ever towned

Honestly not wrong.

I actually think you're probably my strongest non-LLD townread, which would be:
Lady Lambdadelta*
PookyTheMagicalBear
Dunnstral
Bell
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
borkjerfkin
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
GreyICE*

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage


quiet

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

FUCK YOU

I DON'T WANT TO LYNCH LLD DAY ONE

I'VE BEEN AVOIDING THIS

Like she's not town.
I know she's not town.
It's just not a wagon that's going to succeed today, and I'd like to play a game with my wife where something stupid doesn't happen day 1.
If I'm dead tonight come back to this plox

Which she do you mean?
If you mean LLD then why does scum!LLD attack me out of the gate and fake claim mason?
If you mean Mastina then why does scum!Mastina sheep my Prism read hard?

Any particular reason you didn’t answer this?

@GreyICE

[MathBlade]

I wonder if this is the game where Battle Mage and I are town together

eh maybe

i've changed my mind on Math. Math-town tends to have a bit more focus (even if not always in the right direction). His approach today feels less discerning like "elim anybody but me". Survival first.

VOTE: mathblade

What you’re reading is more outright depression

I am trying to provide something of value here

But like I feel completely depressed here.

Each time I try to post a thought people just spam “Math’s scum” without any context or reasoning or “not cooperating” when I don’t join the wagon on the other player.

No one is really trying for another wagon and it’s just depressing. I feel like people are putting more effort into kicking me down than finding who scum actually is.

The only player who has even remotely tried to scum case me is Bell and that’s why he’s a townread of mine.

Like it’s sad. There’s no case on me it’s literally “Math didn’t post fast” and we hate Math.

Anyone on me should be justifying their vote. BM’s math is survivalistic is crap. If I was survivalistic I would be on Dunn. The vote from BM is only after I said I would do BM or Titus.

This site RVS fucking sucks and you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

[MathBlade]

Afternoon Vote Count 1.04

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes bronze.

Dunnstral (4): , SirCakez, quiet, Battle Mage, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Titus, Dunnstral
PookyTheMagicalBear(1): MathBlade
Titus (2): GreyICE, sangres

Not voting (5): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Kitty Trauma Team, mastina, Prism


Mod notes: 35/85 pages used

Afternoon Vote Count 1.05

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes bronze.

Dunnstral (3): quiet, Battle Mage, Spiffeh
MathBlade (5): Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Titus, Dunnstral
Titus (2): GreyICE, sangres
SirCakez (2): mastina, Kitty Trauma Team
Prism (1): MathBlade
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): SirCakez

Not voting (3): Tammy, borkjerfkin, Prism


Mod notes: 37/85 pages used

Bell,LLD, Pooky, Titus, and Dunn’s votes have just sat on me, and BM’s move onto me is sus as FUCK.
Mastina’s sircakez vote and shit is terrible.

My guess is BM/Titus/(Prism/Mastina/Bork)/??? Maybe quiet

Tammy Cakez and Bell and Spiffeh are obvious town.
Sangres if that bit earlier was a slip then replace then the ??? is them and replace with Prism
Kitty miiiight be scum but I horribly doubt it.

Game is damn near solved. Fucking do something with votes if you’re town.
VOTE: Titus

[MathBlade]

And yes Pooky if scum only goes in the question Mark but Pooky has been utter shit from his town game and shows 0 attempts to solve who is scum with me despite having a fucking huge ISO.

Could be scum or could just be complete and utter shit this game.

BM and Titus are scum though pretty much ride or die.

[MathBlade]

Still curious about the "one of bork/Prism but not both" comment, Math. This implies Prism town->Bork scum, which is very ???, the reasoning for Bork town->Prism scum is also a bit weird but makes sense with just a scumread on me.

It’s mainly because of the confirmation.

If you’re town he did it in a way that only makes sense to you. Not the thread.

I don’t buy your flavor claim that’s VT. Helena Wells was an inventor. Starting with an artifact makes sense but not the one you said. Probably shoulda started with the grappling gun or vest. She was distraught for many reasons.

Too many pieces don’t add up here. They make sense to you if you’re town but not us.

[MathBlade]

I wonder if this is the game where Battle Mage and I are town together

eh maybe

i've changed my mind on Math. Math-town tends to have a bit more focus (even if not always in the right direction). His approach today feels less discerning like "elim anybody but me". Survival first.

VOTE: mathblade

What you’re reading is more outright depression

I am trying to provide something of value here

But like I feel completely depressed here.

Each time I try to post a thought people just spam “Math’s scum” without any context or reasoning or “not cooperating” when I don’t join the wagon on the other player.

No one is really trying for another wagon and it’s just depressing. I feel like people are putting more effort into kicking me down than finding who scum actually is.

The only player who has even remotely tried to scum case me is Bell and that’s why he’s a townread of mine.

Like it’s sad. There’s no case on me it’s literally “Math didn’t post fast” and we hate Math.

Anyone on me should be justifying their vote. BM’s math is survivalistic is crap. If I was survivalistic I would be on Dunn. The vote from BM is only after I said I would do BM or Titus.

This site RVS fucking sucks and you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

i maintained throughout that you were town dude, and gave my reasons. Then I saw you indiscriminately going for anyone and everyone you thought might gain traction, and I feel like my original take may have been wrong. Your retort above in response to that is lame, because frankly you know I'm right, and trivialising it and complaining that I'm bad faithing you is not credible. In simple terms, you obviously don't care who is elimmed today, and that is scummy. And at worst, you're town who transparently couldn't give a crap about finding scum, so I'm not gonna lose sleep over it either way.

That’s literally fucking crap and you know it. I am going for my scumreads who might get traction. I could slip into my scum meta and get Dunn hammered or like in D1 on Boonskiies where I replaced into a slot that should be miselimmed I treated the slot as dead.

Not here. If you think I am scum what’s the difference?
I can’t be paired with Dunn different things happening. Look at how I never voted Gamma when he was the wagon (or if I did it was brief).
So if I am not paired with Dunn why am I not voting there.

You’re completely wrong and trying to paint me as not giving a damn.

I am depressed that every fucking RVS someone picks on me for easy bait.

[MathBlade]

And if you think I am town BM you shouldn’t be voting me period.

[MathBlade]

Well, take it up with penguin_alien, I hate to break it to you but this is not the official Warehouse 13 themed rollercoaster that chronologically takes us through the highs and lows of the series park, faithful to the canon above all else, and this isn't role madness/uPick.

This is why I take it up with YOU.

Because you’re trying to say your flavor confirms you as town because it’s faithful.

But then saying it’s not is bad.

So you’re either town with a bad plan and Bork doesn’t want to make you look town that you are

OR

You’re scum and thought this could work and no flavor knowledgeable people on your team which confirms a shit ton of people as town.

[MathBlade]

It’s not a “gradient”. Either your flavor claim IS faithful enough to be scrutinized and confirm you or it isn’t.

If it isn’t then randomly picking someone and giving them a powerful artifact is very very stupid if you’re town

I just think town Prism doesn’t potentially give an artifact to scum.

[MathBlade]

So scum have day chat this confirms LLD as town masons otherwise there’s no reason for game balance and therefore Mastina is scum buddying me and you and Bork are town and it’s Mastina/Titus/BM+ one maybe Quiet.

[MathBlade]

Which means LLD picked on me for no fucking good reason.

Lovely.

[MathBlade]

There’s such a remote chance you’re scum with that gonna town block you because of the powers.

[MathBlade]

I'm sorry-you saw I started with a scum-utility artifact, and suddenly I'm town? What just happened?

Scum you doesn’t give it away + a combination of LLD outed mason. You’d give it to a buddy.

So if you’re scum you’re scum with Bork

Which is kinda stupid on so many fronts it solves itself

[MathBlade]

if there was a tv drama starring mathblade as a detective, it would be a massively entertaining show. clearly it would be entitled something appropriately pithy like "The Traitor"

Your entire iso is voting LLD Dunn yourself or me.

LLD is conf town (much to my dismay as she will literally stop at nothing to elim me as she thinks I am the world’s shittiest town player I am an asset to scum and must die despite our conversation a year plus back. )
Yourself if you’re town is stupid.
Dunn likely was town and/or scum driven to avoid looking bad on my flip but is kinda Townie.

Why is your ISO content less?

Vote someone who will die today.

[MathBlade]

math is trying to solve a puzzle and the pieces are coming together (albeit in a way that i'm not super following the verbiage of) and is probably town

Okay, I get math thinks there's a flavor puzzle. I'm just not following why someone should have a grappling hook and stuff.

If flavor determines what artifacts you start with wouldn't flavor claiming be bad? I looked up my guy in the wiki and I think I'd say my start with artifacts matches my flavor.

I mean I'm happy to let people work, at worst it gives us some insight into Mathblade and hopefully some extra scum. I'd just like to be able to decypher this train at some point.

HG’s initial artifact was a grappling gun when she saved Myka or the gravity vest in the mansion when they discover HG is a female.

[MathBlade]

Okay, I'm gonna summarize my thoughts after I see answers, but "taking the piss" is like my favorite expression ever.

It’s on my top ten list of please don’t say to a trans guy. I gotta work but I like the Titus vote.

[MathBlade]

Kuribo is going to be out of commission until he feels better. He’ll be keeping me updated, but I want him to focus on feeling better.

@Prism: I was in between whether or not you were town/scum from when you and Math were first being engaged. I dead set agree with Math that you kept saying that your claim would show you are super town, but in terms of flavor it doesn’t. The enough information/episodes I watched I have to agree that H.G. wells wouldn’t start off with that artifact.

I also know P_A/Cabd enough that they wouldn’t let a game get broken via flavor.

Right now my personal reads (outside of Kuribo’s) are more vibes than actual cases. I have a really bad feeling regarding Titus/Prism/SirCakez.
I do think LLD/Math are likely to flip town. I have a feeling that Tammy/Mastina are town. I do have a feeling sangres might be town* (*this may change depending on how Prism flips)
I really didn’t like Bells/Dunn/BM beginning posts.

-M

I think you’re missing my point.

I think this doesn’t make sense for town prism and scum prism (which necessitates scum Bork and sorts itself out)

The powers claimed kinda confirms LLD as mason much as I tried to avoid that so LLD likely doesn’t get shot. Hence the winkies as I was being sarcastic and hoping people doubted LLD as a mason not to run her up but to avoid being shot.

I think yes the powers are scum utility but scum Prism just doesn’t out that and confirm LLD and another player without a serious game plan. Prism’s plan was flawed but I think it’s so flawed it can’t be scum.

[MathBlade]

Winking is sarcastic. Google it. There’s sarcastic wink on urban dictionary but that’s a bit meaner than I intend it.

Go look at how many winkies I did. It’s in order. One wink then two etc.

Clear sarcasm.

[MathBlade]

Hey folks, quick skill testing question

do you think scum get to see what the mechanics of the 2 artefacts they have to choose between are before they ship them?

If yes, is there any downside to me hardclaimign the full effects of the artefact?

If no, is it worth hardclaiming it in certain circumstances anyway

If it’s what I think it is, guessing on flavor, claiming it then passing it on to someone in secret (like if you are a mason buddy to them) or a top town read is best. Then if scum attempt to kill the person who got the artifact they can’t stop the power. Right now the power is too concentrated if you’re town mason. But then again I doubt you are so...but I will continue to pretend

@Sangres,
f you played with somebody 3 times in a row and they were scum every time and in the next game they played with you they used the same patterns of thinking, speaking and strategies littered throughout the game, would you town read them?
I've seen everything Mathblade has to offer as scum.

Nothing he's done has moved me off of him because everything he's doing is the same as before.
His house of cards on the Doc read lacked cohesiveness. There was no, Bell seems town to based on posting and that he crumbed doc. It was just that I crumbed Doc and therefore he's my friend because he's town too. The second that collapse he just latched on to the next thing and did an interest check on a Bell wagon.

If Math is scum here, you just fell for those tricks and strategies that he uses to fake a town mindset and earn a town read.
If Math is town, I'm just too stuck on shallow pattern recognition like I was with Shellyc. I wish I could recognize depth to his thinking, but it looks shallow to me.

No I still townread you.

I was interest checking you as a townblock silly

Like what?

And clearly I don’t think LLD is a mason and neither should town LLD is clearly faking it. I mean who claims masons on d1 against Prism? C’mon y’all.

Quite literally too lazy to look up the rest.

It’s like literally “wink wink” stop believing the claim so scum don’t shoot LLD.

[MathBlade]

I’d compromise on Dunn but BM Titus or maybe even Mastina imho are better.

Dunn feels icky and I don’t discount your reasons but that same icky was in the DBZ game that just completed where I was scum and didn’t take advantage of it.

[MathBlade]

Hmmm actually dunnstral calling mathblade survivalistic feels in a similar vein to when he called my theory on the Norfolk pushers rabid defense of Norfolk in popcorn. I really don’t like the “scummy people aren’t talking about math but are okay with eliminating titus so we go math” post. And him telling lld he would have voted her for the artifact even if she didn’t claim felt a bit cringe. Does this mean that dunnstral is scum? I’m not sure. Should I shhh shhh shhh let it happen like I let my townread of spiffeh happen?

I hate battle mages recent attack on math too because he’s falling in with that same survivalistic narrative, and oh look he voted some scum reads in a mafia game. I had been kinda town reading BM’s early posts, and I thought he was the other mason, but I Hunk I misinterpreted that looking back and his posts just really don’t look real. So yeah don’t know there.

With kitty I’ve been a bit wait and see. A part of me thinks if scum kuribo would not pass up an opportunity to go all screaming death clan, caps lock drama, ride the rodeo into town yeehaw drama shout up the pages when lld was here and doing it. So, I’ve just been watching there.

Ffery - I forgot that I meant to tell you that yeah nacho is working way too much right now, and had a dumb overnight day slipped in which always fucks everting up, I imagine that whether you or the game will hear from him today depends on if he works late and how tired he is when he gets home and what time he works tomorrow. I hear you on Pooky. I haven’t seen him as town and you have, so maybe there’s a difference? He doesn’t really feel any different to me than the last two times I saw him as scum. The towniest thing he’s done so far is make that image.

Thought I had more but I think I’m going to crash now hopefully.

Give Kitty time.

If my Mala read was bad it will become evident. I think there’s others that can read Kuribo better than me but I think Mala is town.

[MathBlade]

Whelp I am wrong on my Pooky read pooky’s town.

Unless of course I am just silly.

[MathBlade]

someone talk to me about the game, something interesting and fresh.

Also, Pooky got my back so he better not vote anywhere I don't vote.

I'm watching you bear. That foam finger should have my face on it.

BM and Titus are scums.

Spiffeh has a lock scumread on Dunn and I am all maybe? Would sheep

VOTE: Dunn

[MathBlade]

Hey Pooky....

What’s your favorite meme on that anime bear site you used in repeated micro thread?

Very important question here and this definitely isn’t spam.

[MathBlade]

Hey sangres don’t get pissed I had a major brainstorm and wanna cover some gaping fiery holes of stupidity from before. Yes I know I’ll explain this like d3 or something. But I really need to post now. Yes yeah anti town whatever yell at me later

BM is scum because trying to piss me off
Titus is just doesn’t wanna push me but her buddies wanna take advantage of LLD being silly and pushing me because she hates my town play.

Prism please vote Dunnstral or get into an argument with me.

Literally anything.

[MathBlade]

Look there’s a tarp over a building for no apparent reason.

@LLD how’s that for interesting?

Oh nope. Still weird?

Okay guess I will stay over here keep being town then. Cool

[MathBlade]

Spiffeh convinced me we should elim Dunn right now.

[MathBlade]

I get you scumread me but you should really really watch where your left over cookies ashes go. I found them three blocks over on Ghost Street.

*puppy eyes*

Please I am horrible at cases and Dunn is scum?

[MathBlade]

I would be down for Mastina.

The main problem is we got tons of lurk sacs.

Like my pref is BM or Titus
Second pref is Mastina
I could also go quiet/Dunn.

Dunn has more votes and I really like Spiffeh’s case.

If you flash it I join it.

Til then I kinda want this day to end because pretty sure we don’t got 200 more pages.

[MathBlade]

Take your present I will “bus” Mastina? Get it over elim.

Happy now.

Because you’re clearly not a mason

VOTE: Mastina

[MathBlade]

I will even case Dunn later tonight maybe while my vote is on Mastina.

I am THAT scummy.

[MathBlade]

Okay, fuck it, you sold me. I've seen naked survivalism before, but this approaches performance art.

Vote: Mathblade

If I'm dead tomorrow and you're looking at my ISO from the future, please don't write this wagon off as proving LLD is town, given what mathblade is doing this page.

Oh I indeed put on a performance monseuir but it is not survival art.

Now excuse me I am working on a Dunn case while voting Mastina as the not mason lady commands.

Which is so clearly dissodent and scummy.

All of my reads are still accurate during this “performance”.

[MathBlade]

Okay, fuck it, you sold me. I've seen naked survivalism before, but this approaches performance art.

Vote: Mathblade

If I'm dead tomorrow and you're looking at my ISO from the future, please don't write this wagon off as proving LLD is town, given what mathblade is doing this page.

Hey Grey might be scum too instead of quiet.

Lalalalalala

More performing to do.

How scummy can Math be while being town?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Sircakez

I prefer this to Titus but don't mind the Titus wagon either

lol Dunn has there ever been a game where you didn't say my ISO was bad and want to mis-elim me?

Kind of a good point

This is the absolute biggest Dunn scum tell I can think of.

He realized I am not happening today.

Instead of voting Titus who he’s had a general sus of he votes SirCakez of whom the closest direct explanation I can find is he hates post 164. Sure he’s been consistent in having SirCakez as a scumread but never actually doing anything about it.

Dunn + Titus with (maybe BM) lock imho

If BM happens to be town swap BM out with Grey as I think maaaaybe Pooky finally realizes what I am doing I hope.

If not oh well gotta be more scummy I guess?

[MathBlade]

Anyway, I really don't like mastina's flavor-case. It takes a cartoonish oversimplification of HG to call her a baddie IMO, given how evil and twisted the antagonists of that series are.

You apparently are forgetting that HG Wells's goal was

literally to destroy the world

, and that, through outwitting, outmaneuvering, the heroes, through manipulation, deceit, experience, and sheer ruthlessness, almost succeeded. And the only thing causing her to have not succeeded was Myka talking her out of it; Myka, in of herself, couldn't stop HG Wells, because HG Wells had

won

.

During her tenure as an antagonist, she WAS genuinely evil and twisted. She was sympathetic (tho that's not a trait unique to her as an antagonist; I recall the first Big Bad was also fairly sympathetic especially near the end), and more sympathetic than most villains, and the parallels of her and Myka did lead to her redemption (similar to how, had she not outright murdered the first Big Bad, it was possible his parallels to Artie could've led to his potential redemption), but she WAS a villain for a full season, and thus calling her town for what she ended up being at the end is a mistake.

I happen to believe, given the flavor and mechanics of the game, that it is more likely she is scum than that she is town.

It's almost as bad as calling Artie a likely scum role because of what using Magellan's Astrolabe did to him.

And why do you think that

isn't

a possibility?

Sure, it ultimately is penguin's decision, it's ultimately penguin's choice, penguin_alien very well may have opted not to do so and if so there would be reasonably good reasons for it, because Artie wasn't a villain for all but one season.

But it is ultimately penguin's decision, and Artie very well

could

be a villain, specifically thanks to a flavor justification OF using what Magellan's Astrolabe did to him. He, Artie, literally killed one of the supporting, borderline-main-characters, characters, one of the first to die in the show and one who was literally irreplaceable thanks to their unique talent. He orchestrated a bunch of very bad things that happened thanks to that artefact's influence, and was, essentially, thanks to the delusions/brainwashing of that artifact, essentially the (unwitting) Big Bad of a full season.

You can make the argument either way--Artie could be town for his overall presence as a hero, or Artie could be scum for his tenure as an (unwitting) Big Bad-tier villain who did absolutely atrocious acts.

If someone does end up claiming to be Artie, I would do the obvious: judge whether they are more likely to be town or scum off of their claimed role and crossreferencing it to the game's mechanics AND the flavor backing it. If I thought that it was more likely Artie was scum, I would vote him; if I thought it was more likely that this was Artie as town, I would defend him.

And that's true of Prism. I understand the flavor behind why HG Wells would be town--I am also intimately familiar with the flavor behind why she would be scum. And I am judging the claim of Prism being HG Wells and whether they are more likely to be town or scum off of their claimed role and crossreferencing it to the game's mechanic and the flavor backing it.

And it makes a LOT more sense for Prism to be scum starting with the trident than it does for Prism to be town starting with it.

Tell me: during what period in the show does HG Wells own the trident? Is it during her time as a hero, or a villain?
Tell me: during the pregame, which faction do we know started with artifacts from the game mechanics?
Tell me: on the show, was the trident an artifact used by the heroes or an artifact used by the villains? (Okay this one I admit I don't remember the exact answer to but I remember at least one villain who used it.)

Dunn Titus Mastina GreyICE?

Hey Mastina that’s a lot of words for what is likely a shit read and not talking about what’s going on here.

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This is the absolute biggest Dunn scum tell I can think of.

At this point you're just making things up.

Otherwise can you back this up somehow?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10224670

Example meta very similar to this game.

You forget I am not focused on winning.

If I die and prove you scum win win.

A top townread says you’re scum.

We need day to end.

No one is championing a fucking wagon.

So yes if LLD says I have to have my vote on Mastina while I try to convince LLD you’re the smart play I will.

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So the better question is do YOU want to 1v1 obvTown with obvTownSpiffeh 100% certain you’re scum.

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Now I think that meta and post is a damn fine case for LLD who likes meta.

Good flippin night.

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*pushes up glasses*

Um actually it’s Artie.

Look a spammy filler post.

*Male Karen voice* Stop trying to make Prism a thing Mastina.

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actually my strongest scumread. (That'd be SirCakez.) But I absolutely

should

explain my Prism scumread because if I don't, I'll never have anyone follow me because they won't see where I'm coming from.

hol up

You're making a case on your

second

strongest scumread?

Don't tell me it's for posterity, if you're nightkilled tonight after this day 1 then a choir of angels will come out my butt to play Taps on the way to the dead thread.

Hey hey!

She’s doing the thing Dunn is!

You know voting someone else and talking about someone else despite someone else voting SirCakez who she townreads...and she’s spamming the thread with all theses posts about Prism which won’t happen today.

Almost like Mastina and Dunn are scum!

There isn’t a single reason in Mastina’s ISO for her Cakez read...none

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The who she townreads is the voter to be clear*

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LLD what’s your plan when I flip one of your supposed bosses?

Now one last thing before you all go run and play don’t make me take all your bracelets. Be nice people.

Today is full of meetings but I am Jane Lattimer, a regent and literally Abigail Chow’s one of bosses known as a Regent. Jane had to take away a kid’s bracelet that let him walk because it stole his humanity. I am indeed VT, as Titus eluded to earlier which was stupid if she’s town and I don’t think she is. Yes I am not waiting for L-1 because I likely won’t see it.

LLD you really gotta chill with your mason partner(s) they’re freakin obvious. Stop it. There’s only so much I can do to protect that stupid play here. I don’t have an artifact like the metronome to bring someone back to life.

If you hammer me do one of Dunn/BM/Titus/Mastina tomorrow please. This wagon is almost entirely scum or derp.

I did as you asked LLD and was scummy and it fucking is hard to be scummy while being town. If you did it just because you hate my town game then fuck that.

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It’s pretty clear Titus is scum here.

She’s voting me and not looking for scum going “Hey you’re doing scummy shit”
Despite literally being asked by LLD to do scummy shit a few posts back.

She’s not hunting who scum is. If she believes (imho incorrectly) that scum are off my wagon then she should vote someone off my wagon.

LLD has a perverse sense of I am useless to town but if I can die and cover who your mason partner(s) are and pointing out scum then I did my job. Exactly as I was asked.

Titus is blatantly refusing to look at context here which makes her scum.

I have said several times I don’t care about “winning” or avoiding elim. I care about mason shielding and scum hunting. If my wagon helps that I am all for it.

Mastina doesn’t want to join my wagon because it’s a death sentence/scum claim because LLD will have a field day tomorrow there
Spiffeh knows I am town because obvious
Dunnstral joining would be a scum claim
Quiet can’t join because afk
Sangres townreads me
Kitty is on the fence
Tammy townreads me
Mala is townreading me/on the fence
And Bork I dunno his opinion

What’s more telling is I am not hammered rather than a vague thread of it “being too late”. People need to start a wagon and rather than town!Titus hero you just lament “whelp Math is miselimmed” which makes you scum.

We have 4 days and 40 ish pages.

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actually my strongest scumread. (That'd be SirCakez.) But I absolutely

should

explain my Prism scumread because if I don't, I'll never have anyone follow me because they won't see where I'm coming from.

hol up

You're making a case on your

second

strongest scumread?

Don't tell me it's for posterity, if you're nightkilled tonight after this day 1 then a choir of angels will come out my butt to play Taps on the way to the dead thread.

Hey hey!

She’s doing the thing Dunn is!

You know voting someone else and talking about someone else despite someone else voting SirCakez who she townreads...and she’s spamming the thread with all theses posts about Prism which won’t happen today.

What a great point, Mathblade! Certainly only scum would do that!

Take your present I will “bus” Mastina? Get it over elim.

Happy now.

Because you’re clearly not a mason

VOTE: Mastina

I will even case Dunn later tonight maybe while my vote is on Mastina.

I am THAT scummy.

I know your actual role, you're the goddamn Vineyard of WIFOM.

You can't just try to push me on to Mastina with something you did a few pages ago. Sauce, goose, gander.

I mean you quoted where I followed LLD’s instructions....

Like I mean.

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@Kuribo >> I apologize for only mentioning Mala. I was ignoring you to give you time to recuperate as I thought you wanted. Your reads could change on coming back and I didn’t want to assume.

@Kitty+Cakez I don’t think either of you are scum and Cakez is who scum wanna miselim? Can we compromise on Titus or Mastina flash wagons? Lots of people want Titus but no one is voting there.

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Like GreyICE pushing Mastina then trying to say I am manipulating him onto Mastina is very very sus.

Can we give LLD what she wants and flash wagon Mastina?

Or Titus?

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VOTE: Kitty

Someone needs to come pick up their boomer.

You're as clever as an oral bowel movement.


The die is cast. When I flip green, this and Cakez go next.

@Prism
@Kitty

Can we like not? Please?

Shiny Mastina or Titus wagon?

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Can you please avoid references to body functions?

If you’re going to get into a stupid 1v1 at least avoid making me dysphoric while you do it?

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Can you please avoid references to body functions?

If you’re going to get into a stupid 1v1 at least avoid making me dysphoric while you do it?

That's fair, I apologize


Probably need a better analogy in 2021

Would you accept the spirits of my ancestors who guide my actions as an acceptable substitute?

That works.

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these flavor arguments are fucking dumb
nobody should be basing any read on anybody's flavor claim

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bork

Can you talk about this one because Bork has not shown up at all for me yet.

This is entirely a reaction to Mini Normal 2181. Bork's initial play that game was extremely careful, and I wound up catching him testing me for a potential weak link rather than genuinely hunting. In later stages of the game, he was clearly felt positionally paralyzed, played extremely scared, and blatantly had no idea what to do.

This game he's been a lot less worried about specifically where he's at and what he should do next and a lot more off-the-cuff. He's still taking down other people's reasoning when he feels it appropriate but it's no longer blatantly testing for a place that's safe to stand. The questions have actual hunting incentive and he hasn't been nearly as afraid about who to go after and when.

ie. Very subjective meta read.

I haven't read that game but I am not seeing that lack of paralysis. He still seems quite cautious.

@Kitty+Cakez I don’t think either of you are scum and Cakez is who scum wanna miselim? Can we compromise on Titus or Mastina flash wagons? Lots of people want Titus but no one is voting there.

Not super interested in either of those atm vs Pooky or Dunn wagons.

Pooky would be like elimming the moderator.

You can try it all you want but I think there’s like no interest there.

Then push Dunn if you don’t want my suggestions of Titus or Mastina. Do something with a chance of happening or at least sell a case if you really want Pooky.