Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

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Hi people, only freshly traumatized by a couple of you. It should be fine.

I will not be voting for Prism to receive an artifact like, ever. Too raw. That being said, I reallllyyy don't know about this performative scum narrative; I can absolutely see a world where someone named John Doe has an artifact named John Doe's Hammer, and hands it over to someone to try and modconf themselves as John Doe. If I'm misreping the idea, lmk.

First impressions:
VOTE: Sangres as my first TR, mostly because 151 is towny, I don't think Prism + sangres are scum together both TRing each other, I don't think prism!Scum TRs scum as their first vote, and I don't think town!Prism is likely to be wrong here either.
I don't really know if I find LLD flailing particularly AI? I think that slot will resolve for me fairly rapidly.
(pedit: and oh look, Tammy shares the same opinion. +town points for being on my vibe at exactly the same time I got there)
People piling on Math a bit is interesting. Thoese interactions are the first place I want to do a re-read.
Tammy is towny to me, but someone can tell me if they're real good and none of what they've said is AI.

I feel like I should probably have more thoughts on Spiff, but I don't have any strong feelings at the moment.
Looking forward to hearing more from Bell and BM.

Exited to play! I'm also a fair amount busier at the moment, but I wasn't about to miss a Warehouse 13 game.

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Just popping in to try and catch up (shockingly busy weekend); but doesn't scum know, or at least have some insight? Don't scum get to pick between two, choose one, the second one goes up for vote?

Don't think that particularly changes my view on Prism, which I will need to update from the last 6 pages, but scum should know or at least have some insight on all artifacts that get put in front of us, no?

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After reading 8-20 this morning, I'd be a lot more interested in sheeping Spiffeh+SirCakez on Dunn vs. elimming Math this afternoon.

Still struggling really hard with my time management at the moment, but I'm hopeful about carve out a few hours this evening to focus on the game.
I am...rather happy the artifact went to LLD over Prism.

@Dunnstral, it appears possible in the rules for some characters to have started with an artifact, ahead of the N0 distribution.

I like Spiff, +SirCakez for the Dunn read and follow up, and I think SirCakez has been generally driving the game forward. With Spiffeh, I appreciate the willingness to TR Math and express discomfort with that wagon; I'm not all the way there yet on Math, but that's at least twice now they've posted something I thought was rather useful + aligned with how I'm reading the game.

I like Bell probably a lot more than I should at this point, this is almost entirely off of vibe and I don't know how well I'll be able to justify this read.
I like sangres, I like Tammy. Kitty Truama can also hang out in my town pile. LLD something something artifact claim something.

So as usual, I'm townbucketing way too many people; if I had to pick a few I feel strongest on, Spiff, SirCakez, sangres for weird reasons. I should put LDD here, but in the absence of the claim stuff, I wouldn't have TRed them personally.

I think those are most or all of the standouts at this point. I'm enjoying aggressive/abrasive Prism, but I don't like it just yet. Bjork + LLD confirmed to own artifacts at this point, that should make for an interesting night.

In terms of negatives, besides following the logic on Dunn, who I like as a vote because it helps resolve 1.65 townies (though I'll be paying attention to how many people seem willing to jump on that wagon real quick, myself included), and who I'm interested to see in the context of pressure on them (pedit: I want to think harder about the couple of posts Dunn has posted while I was writing this up):

I've gotten really no feelings from Pooky other than that damn avatar being a clear AtE and clouding my judgment, I just never know how to sort Titus, every system I've heard presented in prev. games has worked out terribly for the town I've been in, from context, it seems that BM picks up sus early in the game pretty regularly, but I havn't seen any townpings there yet, have a few spots even lurkier than mine which is a method of reading I'm not too keen on, and that about covers the field.

Still pretty slammed today, but I'm committed to carving out that time late tonight; order of operations will be trying to break up/sort out my town pile into some kind of sensible grouping/order, figure out who doesn't make sense in combination, and review the positioning around Math and Prism this morning.
VOTE: Dunnstral

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Quote about being glad to see the artifact go to LLD over me is weird and out of place, especially given that you didn't TR them outside of the claim (and appeared to think mine was town earlier, even if paranoid).

Prism, there is no universe where I'm going to be happy about the entire game TRing you so hard day1 as to hand you an artifact after last game. Sorry. Respect your scumgame way the fuck too much for that, regardless of the mechanical stuff that I buy this game. I can light townread you, and not want to hand you ULTIMATE POWER (or at least, a bit o power).

Maybe after I hear more from Bjork, see how the mechanics of the artifact that was already passed around go, see you flip some people, I'll shift my opinion a bit. But yeah, I'm happy to see artifact not go to you day1, cause scum!You has fucked up reasons for wanting it, and town!You can earn another one later when I feel less paranoid. Frankly, I'm surprised this is in any way surprising to you.

These reads aren't bad but the reasoning is really lacking imo based off who you've seen flip what in prior games, and your better understanding of range.

Agree, as I said, pressed for time, and it's showing. I'm going to need to take a slightly different strategy to what I have up to this point; I think last bit of my post is a reasonable place to start. I don't think my reasoning is particularly strong at the moment, but I wanted to put a flag down as to where I'm standing based on what amounts to a single read-through of the thread; hopefully a more concerted effort tonight results in some higher value stuff.

@Dunn I wouldn't lock them both scum if you flip town; I'd strongly consider (i'd have to make sure i'm getting my order correct) Spiff? I think? For jumping on? Also probably peer at Math some more, as you are a counterwagon there. But it's early days, lots of people still to chime in, and there are about a million ways my read could be bad.

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Math, I'm going to ask you a shitty question

I'm...I've seen a fair amount of "garbage" town plays in my short time on this site. I've seen a lot of Day1 claims. Almost expect it to a point.

My gut reaction to what you just posted was to feel like you were, in the words of Prism earlier I believe, blatantly fishing for a second Mason claim. Is Mason a high frequency fake claim?
More importantly, fmpov, why should I believe that a LLD fakeclaim is more likely than you fishing? I'm not sure I understand the utility of you fishing here, which makes my point worse than it would otherwise be, but from someone who was getting geared up to go and see if I could make a reasonable TownBlade case, I'd like a bit more context.

I'm also not sure I'm whole in agreement about the role speculation; I feel like theres a few flavorful ways I could see masons working, but fair point that theres prob less roles due to the presence of artifacts.

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What is your read on Math? You kinda dance around him without actually taking a position.

My position is on Math is:

I think the amount of Math scrutiny today is real interesting, there's probably some good sorting I can do around the Math slot when I get some time tonight to review exactly how that wagon came about and who was pushing when and why, but my last experience with scum!Math was mostly contained to a neighborhood thread replacing deep in Boonytoons, which is feeling different to how Math has acted here (obviously we are in a very different situation in this game vs. that one, but I'm not quite ready or convinced by the stuff I've heard so far that Math is scum here).

I'm also feeling a bit of dejavu on Math/Titus; I've heard the "math is acting bad and/or scummy but I think they're town, be better or I policy you" argument before almost verbatim.

I hope to have a better answer for you tonight, but I'm in agreement with someone else who said that they think Math will resolve given a day, and I'd prefer to push elsewhere rn. For what it's worth, I decently liked Math's response to me.

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My point here was that going out of your way to work in the "LLD over Prism" bit struck me as odd and performative. I'm not at all surprised to see that you would never townread me in a million years.

Eh, wasn't out of my way whatsoever; I checked out of the thread during the morning phase when it was still up in the air who would get it, with a fair lean towards you. I came back, saw you didn't get it, was relieved for reasons I stand behind, but given that I didn't vote/was away from the discussion, I wanted to give a signpost for my feeling on who should have received the artifact. It was the first thing on my mind when I came back to the thread.

This SirCakez vs Math thing is interesting. The way SirCakez phrased his question to me about Math was also interesting. SirCakez + Spiff are responsible for the Dunn wagon, SirCakez with their hot take, Spiff with the strong follow through.

@Math why has scum!SirCakez positioned himself around both you and Dunn the way he has? If you think Dunn is 65% scum, but SirCakez is worse, SirCakez positioning is bussing to you, with the intention of swapping back onto you later in the day? I'm not super convinced of that

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I explained that terribly; what I mean is that following your FoS, you think there is a decent frequency at which scum!Cakez busses Dunn, gets called on it by Spiff, looks to transition suspicion back to you by EoD?

(pedit, yep, that's pretty close to what you just said)

Okay, interesting. It was a decently light suspicion that Cakez was throwing Dunn's way before Spiff stepped in.

@Dunn, why did you choose to push back on Spiff and not Cakez? Do you have a Cakez read?