Warehouse 13: The Mafia Game (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

page count limit is a genius move, but I don't really share the level of concern from Mathblade - 85 pages is MORE than enough for Day 1 in any game.

also what is post 8?

[Battle Mage]

maybe a dumb question but are we sure the flavour of the artefacts is not different to the mech in the game? otherwise, it's pretty easy to use the flavour to figure them all out?

wary of a swerve haha

I'll do

Vote: Spiffeh

too, so we can progress quickly to the important business of the day!

[Battle Mage]

if the comb gives random killing powers which aren't the decision of the owner, does it even matter who gets it?

[Battle Mage]

if the comb gives random killing powers which aren't the decision of the owner, does it even matter who gets it?

That’s not what I said. I provided the flavor in which the person becomes a killer then doesn’t remember who they killed or did. I doubt things would be random here. The flavor can guide mechanics but may not be 1-1. Random may not necessarily be it. Based on flavor my guess is some kind of neighborize/invest to know someone’s alignment but then scum get an extra kill. Or maybe the players get a hood but become lovers? And no extra kill. So I think it’s really important to give this to someone town. If it’s the invest then they look at a null read. Then if it’s lovers then a scumread maybe.

The above are guesses and could be a lot of things. I don’t think with the hidden nature the mod does random though. The key thing is not to get too caught up in the what and focus on the who.

Hot take Spiffeh is scum or town that scum wanna buddy. Super hot take BM is scum

i didn't say that's what you said - i said what i myself inferred - why so confrontational?

Based on your flavour, which i'm not at all familiar with personally, maybe it's not random but that the recipient has a compulsive kill which is controlled by somebody else? your suggestions could also work. I imagine with most artefacts we want to give them to town ideally? *shrug*

might be worth a look at the full complement of artefacts and see if we can deduce what abilities make sense across all of them (i.e. if there's lots of investigating type stuff, it's less likely that is what this one does).

Oh and super duper hot-take is Mathblade is a townlean for this, because MathBlade-scum always buddies me and MathBlade-town always bad faiths me.

[Battle Mage]

Math I trust you to be my flavor guide this game

im not sure if he is in this game?

[Battle Mage]

Right and I am explicitly telling you that Prism is probably scum for that

i think similarly, but that Prism's approach at the start of the game was just very weird. i dunno, would Prism-scum be so conspicuous though? i'd steer clear of giving them the artefact anyway.

[Battle Mage]

fun fact: last time i played a game like this where you could vote for who gets an item, I was scum, the item would've made me almost immortal and my team missed the opportunity to hammer and seal it.

yes i'm still undergoing mafia-therapy for that one.

[Battle Mage]

BM, how would you feel about being wagoned D1 yet again? LOL

VOTE: BM

this made me genuinely sad when i read this before i understood the joke

also that 4 scum thing was a bit cringey UNVOTE:

[Battle Mage]

4 scum thing from spiffeh (sorry my space bar is fked and its really annoying,,,)

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: LLD ok let's go with this

[Battle Mage]

i'll give you a bell

[Battle Mage]

for what it's worth, i confirmed without using the confirmation phrase (and then subsequently read the rules).

[Battle Mage]

it's all tonal and behavioural with math. not what he says, but how he says it.

[Battle Mage]

my gut feeling is we should use D1 to elim a slot which won't solve itself over time. No point elimming math early when his alignment will become obvious later.

[Battle Mage]

Math I trust you to be my flavor guide this game

im not sure if he is in this game?

Huh?

flavor leaf

[Battle Mage]

i really want to just agree where this artefact goes, but i'm not feeling Prism. It was such a hard opening play to get the artefact, I don't feel like leaning into it.

[Battle Mage]

yeah LLD is on point

[Battle Mage]

People don’t just offhand comment “Insert paragraph” I may be socially weird but that doesn’t happen.

It can be a comment when somebody doesn't want to write the full thing out but knows they can.

i do similar at work - when someone emails me a difficult question, I reply with "insert helpful answer here"

[Battle Mage]

yo Cakez, come on the LLD bandwagon!

[Battle Mage]

I'm slightly leaning town on Prism but also think if Prism is scum, they really really want that artefact, which is bad news. LLD didn't push as hard for it.

[Battle Mage]

yo Prism - snap read on me?

[Battle Mage]

Town, not spewing blatant trash like Primroses that should have had you autovoted.

now now, don't be salty

[Battle Mage]

well it feels like the consensus is that I'm town and a strong pick, so let's go for it!

VOTE: Battle Mage

with me, mini mages!

[Battle Mage]

Town, not spewing blatant trash like Primroses that should have had you autovoted.

now now, don't be salty

Needed to save the salt in case I needed it for the more important fish.

hope you don't go hungry again

[Battle Mage]

I'll claim too! I'm a VT

[Battle Mage]

let's all calm down and give battle mage the artefact

[Battle Mage]

LLD - please can you confirm I'm not the other mason?

[Battle Mage]

HG Wells, VT, Artifact was a Minoan Trident.

Your turn.

remind me why you gave your artefact away?

[Battle Mage]

i think it's too early for a massclaim anyway

[Battle Mage]

I'm already voting LLD but I'd be voting them again if I could.

Weak kitty town for mindmeld with my deleted post that started with the exact same words.

hey Bell, would you vote for your old pal BM?

[Battle Mage]

I’m on mid season 2 and she’s already complexed.

do I need to watch this show now, lol

I kind of forced his dumb soft claim out into the open for the sake of others like you to be able to judge it better

not sure why he gave the artefact away to a random player but

yes he should explain giving the artefact away.

[Battle Mage]

I'm going to need a letter from your Doctor explaining why you aren't voting LLD instantly RN @Everybody.

come on dude

[Battle Mage]

Damn, LLD suggests giving BM the artifact and BM starts thirsty posting harder than prism

I've really never been a fan of power-begging. Looks super greasy every time


-k

hmm, not harder than Prism. And good to see if people will put their money where their mouth is - good way to spot buddying/white-knighting vs genuine takes.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: LLD

[Battle Mage]

but ma...do we have to?

[Battle Mage]

I would describe battle mage and bell as thirsty

i think someone already used that word? strange coincidence, unless you were just repeating?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: dunnstral

[Battle Mage]

I wonder if there is a traitor.

Based on what?
Even mentioning this unprompted feels like possible signaling if true

Like, why did you actually start talking about traitor?

Dunnstral - It's his gimmick that in every game he plays, he speculates early about a Mafia Traitor. Have you never played with Mathblade before?

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Battle Mage]

yeah i've read up to here. Dunnstral trying very hard to deflect attention, moreso than I expect from him as town.

[Battle Mage]

don't let the great be the enemy of the good

[Battle Mage]

And Pooky imho is scum.

lolol what

I don't even know who the bad guys in the show are

hop back on Dunn, Pookster

[Battle Mage]

"for the purposes of honesty"?

early wagon on math is town indicative as scum prob doesn't bus math Day 1.

[Battle Mage]

i think titus is fine - leave her alone for today

[Battle Mage]

i dont trust myself to read you Bell, you always look scummy to me

[Battle Mage]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85010

Please look back at this game and stop assuming/poisoning the thread that I am inherently bad.

I caught FL damn early then and then proceeded to catch the rest. But kept having to argue I am decent with you so much I swapped out a scumread at the last minute for you.

with the greatest respect math, that game is literally the last one I'd pick as an illustration of your ability as a player.

[Battle Mage]

Seriously three days until we're even allowed to wagon people?

QQ

Back in my day we'd have killed two or three people by now and be running around the town screaming in all caps and killing.

back in my day we started off with a nightkill

and we'd be pointing fingers by now about who killed me

QFT

[Battle Mage]

i dont trust myself to read you Bell, you always look scummy to me

Sure.

I don't agree that Titus is probably town.

I feel like there are two factions in this game and I'm not sure which one is mixed with scum. But one faction is larger than the other, so I'll just go ahead and say the larger faction has more scum. Rather than factions I'd say there's 2 reads lists being thrown about.

Sure, Math. I agree that based on previous posts you've made, that your town games and scum games are probably similar in wording and sentence structure. Even though I've never played with town you. I don't see much reason for you to lie about that, though I'm sure there are differences.

i think it's too early to even draw that conclusion. feels like lots of quiet players not in either 'faction'. it's possible that all of: math, titus, LLD and Prism are town.

dunno why you don't believe my math-meta?

[Battle Mage]

dang, i shall be doing neither

[Battle Mage]

i quite like Spiffeh - the approach play is nice.

i like math enough that i'm not gonna flip him today. similarly, no interest in a wagon on Titus really, so that narrows the pool.

I feel like I'll be more excited once we have a flip or two, but I'd rather flip in the pool of unknowns, rather than somebody who I feel like I'll be able to sort by Day 2 or 3 anyway.

[Battle Mage]

i'd consider bork

[Battle Mage]

I wonder if this is the game where Battle Mage and I are town together

eh maybe

i've changed my mind on Math. Math-town tends to have a bit more focus (even if not always in the right direction). His approach today feels less discerning like "elim anybody but me". Survival first.

VOTE: mathblade

[Battle Mage]

I wonder if this is the game where Battle Mage and I are town together

eh maybe

i've changed my mind on Math. Math-town tends to have a bit more focus (even if not always in the right direction). His approach today feels less discerning like "elim anybody but me". Survival first.

VOTE: mathblade

What you’re reading is more outright depression

I am trying to provide something of value here

But like I feel completely depressed here.

Each time I try to post a thought people just spam “Math’s scum” without any context or reasoning or “not cooperating” when I don’t join the wagon on the other player.

No one is really trying for another wagon and it’s just depressing. I feel like people are putting more effort into kicking me down than finding who scum actually is.

The only player who has even remotely tried to scum case me is Bell and that’s why he’s a townread of mine.

Like it’s sad. There’s no case on me it’s literally “Math didn’t post fast” and we hate Math.

Anyone on me should be justifying their vote. BM’s math is survivalistic is crap. If I was survivalistic I would be on Dunn. The vote from BM is only after I said I would do BM or Titus.

This site RVS fucking sucks and you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

i maintained throughout that you were town dude, and gave my reasons. Then I saw you indiscriminately going for anyone and everyone you thought might gain traction, and I feel like my original take may have been wrong. Your retort above in response to that is lame, because frankly you know I'm right, and trivialising it and complaining that I'm bad faithing you is not credible. In simple terms, you obviously don't care who is elimmed today, and that is scummy. And at worst, you're town who transparently couldn't give a crap about finding scum, so I'm not gonna lose sleep over it either way.

[Battle Mage]

BM and Titus are scum though pretty much ride or die.

looks like it's gonna be "die" for you then buddy

[Battle Mage]

on a non-mathblade point, it's interesting how many people seem to be throwing Titus' name in near the bottom of their reads. ordinarily i'd say maybe it indicates some distancing, but last time it happened Titus was just town.

[Battle Mage]

And if you think I am town BM you shouldn’t be voting me period.

i don't think you're town as i already said and I'm not getting into some heated exchange with you - if you wanna rant and rave, knock yourself out.

[Battle Mage]

remind me after the game math, and i'll give you some advice

[Battle Mage]

if there was a tv drama starring mathblade as a detective, it would be a massively entertaining show. clearly it would be entitled something appropriately pithy like "The Traitor"

[Battle Mage]

A few recent scumreads from Math IN REVERSE CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER (note, this is only a sample, and excludes townreads - the flip-flopping between townreads and scumreads is incredible).

Mastina is scum

BM and Titus are scum though pretty much ride or die.

You’re still scum Pooky.

my gut pings she’s scum.

VOTE: Mastina

I can do BM or Titus. I prefer Titus.

Prism is probably scum

VOTE: Pooky
I do scumread you.

VOTE: SirCakez

I have reasons but they’re anti town to say

VOTE: Dunn

Actually
VOTE: Cakez

Hopefully this can become a thing.

[Battle Mage]

if there was a tv drama starring mathblade as a detective, it would be a massively entertaining show. clearly it would be entitled something appropriately pithy like "The Traitor"

Your entire iso is voting LLD Dunn yourself or me.

Yourself if you’re town is stupid.

are you taking the piss? we had a morning phase where we voted for someone to get an artifact.

[Battle Mage]

Hey quick, people, give me one reason Titus is town if you're not voting her.

I don't need a full fucking case or shit, just one reason that I'm wrong and shouldn't be voting her.

she tried to save math from getting himself elimmed. unless they're both scum (in which case, let's do math first), she didn't need to do that as scum.

[Battle Mage]

she tried to save math from getting himself elimmed. unless they're both scum (in which case, let's do math first), she didn't need to do that as scum.

this is both factually untrue and weak as shit as a reason

i mean it's factually true, that's why i said it. and i was asked for a quick reason, not the strongest reason.

[Battle Mage]

lol Dunn has there ever been a game where you didn't say my ISO was bad and want to mis-elim me?

[Battle Mage]

I am confused at both Dunnstrall and Math.

Dunnstrall because yeah, Math clearly wasn't being serious.
Math because nobody either town or scum would be fooled by that (....Except dunnstrall who missed it). So the winks are another incredibly shallow attempt for people to solve the minor puzzle of whether Math can fake the shallowest of town mindsets.

don't overthink it - they are both scum muahahaha

[Battle Mage]

i need to see some readslists i think!

[Battle Mage]

people forget Cakez is really good at scum nowadays.

[Battle Mage]

limited access for next 72 hours

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage went V/LA right? He does feel less present then normal atm but I felt his early game was transparently town.

yeah I'm VLA until Monday PM - here now though for a quick visit. you're right i'm quieter, i'm pretty burnt out tbh.

[Battle Mage]

I hated Battle Mage's vote on Mathblade, he had a previously stated town read on him and his justification for the 180 in the read was that Mathblade was being survivalistic which I already explained is like the exact opposite way I would characterize Math's behavior. He also had a post that rubbed me the wrong way about SirCakez having a great scum game, which to me seemed to fuel the fire of the ongoing Cakez paranoia at the time without really contributing his thoughts on Cakez in a meaningful way? Felt like scum taking a potshot from the sidelines. And while I was Scum in both Xenoblade and Pooky vs. FL (I sound like a broken record) I thought Battle Mage was super obviously Town in both those games and I don't get those vibes here. But I also didn't give a fuck about reading him in those games so take that with a grain of salt.

I think you're just wrong about Math's behaviour, and I'm not the only one who has said so (Dunnstral had exactly the same take as me). It was blatantly survivalistic, and from what I've skimmed, remains as such. I even posted a long list of evidence to demonstrate the point. Not much to say on your Cakez point - I literally just made an observation about the scumgame improving, which is again quite clear from the meta (and i don't think anyone is refuting this). I made a valid observation (as i have done for several players, although you haven't commented on any of these), but you're tilting in a negative way. At best, I'd say your assessment seems a bit bad-faith and lacks the balance of a truly objective take - although not a criticism, I'm hardly scumhunter of the year.

[Battle Mage]

that's it from me for tonight.

[Battle Mage]

oh throw battlemage into my yeet target list too

are you seriously suggesting there was a time when I wasn't in your yeet target list? that's sad to consider

i'm awaiting Titus readslist with interest, haven't read much but planning to catch up later, not clear on why I should vote Titus and therefore probably won't, especially if it's partly driven by factors outside of the game as were referenced earlier.

[Battle Mage]

I just forgot about you being in the game, likely because you haven't actually contributed this day phase

was this directed at me or math? if me, i don't get it - I've contributed way more than my previous 2 large themes where i just got roasted day 1.

[Battle Mage]

BM, please don't discuss ongoing games.

*takes a breath*

Mathblade, No. My town read should not be tanking fast for this or any other post I've made this game. You're baiting me. For whatever reason. This "one time when I was in another game I did this!" comparison is lazy and ridiculous because I don't play anything like you.

oops, yes sorry, forgot!

[Battle Mage]

BM, please don't discuss ongoing games.

*takes a breath*

Mathblade, No. My town read should not be tanking fast for this or any other post I've made this game. You're baiting me. For whatever reason. This "one time when I was in another game I did this!" comparison is lazy and ridiculous because I don't play anything like you.

oops, yes sorry, forgot!

[Battle Mage]

We have 17 pages and 24 hours remaining, we can stop with the theatrics about not wanting to post too much or scum ploys to make someone post a few extra times

And yes BM, that was directed at you, and no I don't think you've contributed much

well i disagree - i think i'm doing a good job by my standards! compared to my expected contribution of guaranteeing scum a free Day 1 mis-elim. Here I might even make it to Day 2! and as importantly, i'm staying out of all the non-game-related stuff which normally irks me.

[Battle Mage]

leaning mastina of the 3 options presented. happy to be persuaded otherwise.

VOTE: mastina

[Battle Mage]

Hey, vc comment here.

SirCakez is one wagon.
The other two scumread him.

yeah my point exactly! the Cakez wagon currently comprises:

Titus and Mastina - the 2 other possible elims today
Dunnstral-scum
Mathblade-scum
Kitty

So I don't think I'm going there. Sorry Mastina.

[Battle Mage]

was it spiffeh who was trying to argue mathblade wasn't opportunistic and survivalistic? whoever it was, needs a serious re-think. and any sane vig should be shooting Mathblade tonight.

[Battle Mage]

was it spiffeh who was trying to argue mathblade wasn't opportunistic and survivalistic? whoever it was, needs a serious re-think. and any sane vig should be shooting Mathblade tonight.

BM+SirCakez+Bell+Quiet?

Spitballing here. I think this fits?

math, in the nicest way, are you on auto-pilot for this entire game? your response every time someone suggests you might be scum is to swear blind that they are scum. it's 1-dimensional.

[Battle Mage]

math that's just straight OMGUS

it's all math has done all game though, to everybody

[Battle Mage]

who the fuck TRs you

I townread Pooky.

Whoever is town stop spamming
Pooky is not the elim today (or probably like ever).
Cakez if you’re town advocate for Titus or Mastina or someone with a shot in hell of being the elim.

let's be fair though - you're townreading players because they townread you and scumreading players because they scumread you?

[Battle Mage]

Does Cakez-scum get this riled to be possibly elimmed here? my initial thought was no, but it's probably a maybe.

[Battle Mage]

Pooky townvibing with the passion here. could be TvT.

[Battle Mage]

was it spiffeh who was trying to argue mathblade wasn't opportunistic and survivalistic? whoever it was, needs a serious re-think. and any sane vig should be shooting Mathblade tonight.

BM+SirCakez+Bell+Quiet?

Spitballing here. I think this fits?

math, in the nicest way, are you on auto-pilot for this entire game? your response every time someone suggests you might be scum is to swear blind that they are scum. it's 1-dimensional.

On the contrary. I thought Bell was town at first.
Each of the scumreads here is bad
BM >> Horrible 180
SirCakez >> Buddying and posturing then shade outta nowhere
Bell >> To borrow his wording “is too narrow”
Quiet >> Lurker PoE that Cakez defended iirc.

i'll give you respect for the fact you admit your reads are bad, but my next question is obvious - why haven't you re-evaluated them?

[Battle Mage]

74 pages deep, no consensus on an elim. Cakez, who should i actually vote for?

[Battle Mage]

there is no wagon on Math really Bell

didn't math say Prism promised to vig math tonight or something? so if math survives the night, we can assume math is highly likely scum and prism also probably scum.

[Battle Mage]

i'm hoping someone is keeping track of the claims and stuff

[Battle Mage]

there is no wagon on Math really Bell

didn't math say Prism promised to vig math tonight or something? so if math survives the night, we can assume math is highly likely scum and prism also probably scum.

I am literally a claimed VT who gave my artifact away N0 lmao

lol i've completely lost track. what the fk is going on?

[Battle Mage]

there is no wagon on Math really Bell

didn't math say Prism promised to vig math tonight or something? so if math survives the night, we can assume math is highly likely scum and prism also probably scum.

GreyICE said he would and he’s a claimed mason.
He could be BSing but I am pretending today is my last day

ah excellent, swap GreyICE with Prism then, and job's a good-un.

Why you bussing Dunn now?

[Battle Mage]

I'll be asleep at deadline, so dropping my final vote in a couple hours.

[Battle Mage]

That is a fucking BEAUTIFUL 6 person votesquad, though the 3 people on Titus are pretty solid too.

Both the Dunn/Cakez are comparatively uhhhh fucking disgusting

i agree, but not in such strong terms.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Mathblade-scum, seeing he is no longer on the table as an elim, abandons the actual wagons to distance with his scum team-mate. That's my feels. And in the immortal words of Marvin Gaye, elimming Dunnstral could never be wrong, if the reads are true. So let's get it on!

[Battle Mage]

yo Bell, check it out^

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Dunnstral

Mathblade-scum, seeing he is no longer on the table as an elim, abandons the actual wagons to distance with his scum team-mate. That's my feels. And in the immortal words of Marvin Gaye, elimming Dunnstral could never be wrong, if the reads are true. So let's get it on!

I will take you bussing sure!

what a funny joke

[Battle Mage]

yo Bell, check it out^

I'm aware. But he's been trying to split wagons/divert attention half this game phase.
he's been muddying the waters and wifoming it up for half the day phase.

yeah but i think it's dunn-math. math is more probable but we could bag a pair...

[Battle Mage]

I am death tunneled on MathBlade.
I will not shut up about him until he's dead. He is obvious scum.

yeah but we aint got the numbers today. so let's elim his partner today, and watch him die tonight, or we get another partner (GreyICE) tomorrow. easy game!

[Battle Mage]

i wish bell was more co-operative and less militant

[Battle Mage]

im struggling to see the Cakez-Mathblade team you're peddling here Mastina...

[Battle Mage]

can i get a votecount so i can leave my vote somewhere sensible for you scoundrels?

[Battle Mage]

Also like BM's recent posts.

even Battle Mage's more recent posts make me feel better about him.

Why?

Battle Mage's recent posts have been "nice". He's been acting nice to players, working with them, acting as a mediator, being a team player, calling fights TvT, and generally being moderate: not committing to anything hard, saying preferences and stances but without passion and conviction behind them.

Does any of this jive with your experience of BM as town?

Because it flies in the face of the abrasive BM that I know, while being a perfect fit for the Battle Mage I've seen as scum pull this exact strategy to get some cheap towncred.

thanks for being so kind to me. funny enough i dont get a lot of personal joy out of being shitted on every fking game - me staying out of the aggro isn't AI, it's because it's stressful and doesn't make games enjoyable.

personal feeling aside - you know this is a gross take.

VOTE: mastina

that's my final move.

[Battle Mage]

not a fan of SirCakez spamming up the thread, although far from the only culprit. I'll stick with Mastina, so let's see. if we get to page 85, people can still vote so it's not the worst thing, given we have literally a couple hours left anyway.

[Battle Mage]

mastina at E-1, final page, who is dropping the hammer? i'm already on.

[Battle Mage]

use it on me plz - i'm bound to get mis-elimmed tomorrow

[Battle Mage]

...much closer to deadline? it's a few hours away. what further info are you expecting to get!?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: LLD for now

[Battle Mage]

yo i'll take some firepower

[Battle Mage]

LLD if you're so powerful, why didnt you get NKed?

[Battle Mage]

tbh i just wanna skip the ego fight for the artefact, and focus on elimming scum.

[Battle Mage]

slow down on posting if we're capped again please.

[Battle Mage]

dunn or math would work for me

[Battle Mage]

what happened to your tunnel on me math?

[Battle Mage]

Sad about both night kills ;_;

is mouseboy guilty!?!?!?!

i did also think this when i saw it.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: pooky

wagon wagon etc.

Math and GreyICE is interesting. Math dropping GreyICE a couple of times as a top scumread, but doesn't have them in the potential elim pool today.

[Battle Mage]

as mastina had no artefacts, think it's likely at least 1 player bussed. but more likely scum off wagon.

[Battle Mage]

yeah im not sold on pooky-scum or anything but i fancy a wagon and Pooky wasn't on Mastina yesterday.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: pooky

wagon wagon etc.

Math and GreyICE is interesting. Math dropping GreyICE a couple of times as a top scumread, but doesn't have them in the potential elim pool today.

Correct.

Grey is a better vig shot if my theory is correct.

Grey is a top scumread but conditional.

i'd consider joining a Grey-wagon if you pushed for it

[Battle Mage]

ok fine VOTE: mathblade

[Battle Mage]

yeah scrutinise me then

[Battle Mage]

i actually agree on spiffeh - didn't have much choice but to place the hammer after sangres picked mastina to -1

[Battle Mage]

I don't think you can argue Dunn was not a counter to Mastina and co at some points
My point with Pooky is that Dunn was not a counter at the prime late-stage moment where it was Mastina or me

Making all stupid options never happen is part of my job.

Please stop trying to make Pooky happy.

Dunn wasn’t an organic counter.

It was Dunn v Me then people left me and Dunn but Dunn wagon was just always a thing.

Afternoon Vote Count 1.15

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (2): quiet, Spiffeh
MathBlade (1): Battle Mage
Titus (5): SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, MathBlade
SirCakez (4): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (4): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism

Not voting (1): Tammy


Mod notes: 69/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

Prodding GreyICE

Afternoon Vote Count 1.16

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (3): quiet, MathBlade, SirCakez
Titus (3): borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (4): mastina, Dunnstral, Titus, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (6): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism, Battle Mage, Spiffeh

Not voting (1): Tammy


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Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

Afternoon Vote Count 1.16b

Afternoon 1 will end in (expired on 2021-03-01 23:59:59)

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to Bronze.

Dunnstral (6): quiet, MathBlade, SirCakez, Battle Mage, Spiffeh, Titus
Titus (3): borkjerfkin, Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear
SirCakez (3): mastina, Dunnstral, Kitty Trauma Team
mastina (4): GreyICE, sangres, Bell, Prism

Not voting (1): Tammy


Mod notes: 76/85 pages used

Battle Mage is V/LA until Monday evening

I can sit here quoting vc's all day

When mastina wagon grew, the people on mastina switched to try to eliminate me instead; these are the facts

you won't like to hear this, but that's really only relevant if you flipped town. You haven't really done anything to change my thinking from yesterday that you are scum - which means I'm not inherently scumreading those who moved between you and mastina.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: pooky

im going back to this i think. my main doubt is that, surely if pooky was scum he would have saved mastina on Day 1? pooky is good scum. although he was passionately involved in his own thing i guess.

[Battle Mage]

This Cakez argument is such garbage. Oh wow he had no strong feelings about Mastina. No offense to SirCakez, but I don't count him among the paragon of scumhunters. If he's scum, mastina could have made copious wine off "oh wow I was a counterwagon to scum." Can Cakez do the same? Or is Cakez the sort of player who gets lynched day 1-3 in larges regardless of alignment. I haven't played with him a whole lot BUT I HAVE MY BET.

We're lynching on that wagon, no ifs, ands, or buts. I will reconsider this on day 3 if scum don't shoot me, sure.

That being said.

Vote: Mathblade

I've seen town mathblade, and quite frankly this isn't it.

this is bussing if i ever saw it. also didn't GreyIce agree to kill math last night?

VOTE: mathblade

[Battle Mage]

i like math too, so i'll throw you a bone.

There is a 42% chance when you turn up at the thread, math will be one of the last 2 posters.
Math has a greater number of posts cussing people out, than more than half the playerlist has actual posts.
Math has moved his vote on at least 17 more occasions than any other player.

[Battle Mage]

im content with not overthinking this and just elimming within the consensus pool tbh. we don't NEED to run up 70 pages or whatever.

[Battle Mage]

i'm uncertain on pooky. i keep changing my mind. currently vibing town.

[Battle Mage]

heh you must be pretty bored to want to re-read me. i've been keeping my nose out of trouble, officer.

[Battle Mage]

Dunn is probably scum

[Battle Mage]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

eh i just think there's too much rage and cussing for me to really get invested. plus we are racking up so many pages and not enough flips. and when i do show up and post stuff, nobody really engages so yeah, hard work.

[Battle Mage]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

eh i just think there's too much rage and cussing for me to really get invested. plus we are racking up so many pages and not enough flips. and when i do show up and post stuff, nobody really engages so yeah, hard work.

mmm I don't buy this because we've been in games at this pace before and you've had much more to say

yeah nowadays im pretty burnt out with that kinda stuff. meta is fine but people do just change. now i just keep my distance a bit when things get inappropriate. and tbh it is pretty normal for me to be quieter in big ego games. I'm normally loud in the games which are total shitpostfests, or with newer players.

[Battle Mage]

yeah Prism you have scum in your TRs somewhere
definitely look at BM - I think he slipped past me day 1 and has looked a lot worse today

eh i just think there's too much rage and cussing for me to really get invested. plus we are racking up so many pages and not enough flips. and when i do show up and post stuff, nobody really engages so yeah, hard work.

mmm I don't buy this because we've been in games at this pace before and you've had much more to say

+1 on this; game is fairly civil esp compared to the dumpster fire that was Xenoblade where you were basically that game's Mathblade

-1, as i just said, i'm not into that shit anymore. it was never fun.

[Battle Mage]

Prism - can you specifically tell me what you think of BM's posting today? I think his excuse that he doesn't want to deal with ""spam and rage posting"" is so fake - this is one of the chillest games I've played in a long time.

HAVE YOU HEARD OF HYPERBOLE YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER

yeah Cakez, i think that's more an indictment on you/current site standards, than me.

[Battle Mage]

like if I am this wrong on my read then I'd rather invest that time into digging into other reads because obviously I need to reevaluate

yeah you should re-evaluate

VOTE: Titus

I'm on board with Titus for the defending of Mastina on Day 1.

[Battle Mage]

It's called being passionate. Your mom enjoyed it last night.

It’s called please obey site rules while displaying passion.

shit like that is uncalled for dude.

QFT

[Battle Mage]

DGB posting big analysis? Highly unusual in recent experience of town-DGB. anyone else got a meta here?

[Battle Mage]

weekend V/LA until Monday PM

[Battle Mage]

urgh I have a lot of thoughts and can't organize them
that wagon had a weird ending but we know it was town driven at the tail end!!!
I want a lot more pressure on BM today. He totally skated by yesterday. Titus still looks scummy especially in light of DGB town flip as you could argue DGB was a counter to Titus.

VOTE: prism
This is fine with me for artifact

you're joking with me right? I was on the scum elim Day 1, was not on the town elim Day 2...and I'm the first name on your list? Back to basics.

[Battle Mage]

FWIW Math, I'd be interested in a Titus or SirCakez flip today, but probably Titus more. I think Titus-scum is smart enough to know that playing off Mathblade is a good way to post lots without really furthering anything or getting a lot of scrutiny. And I trust Titus to read me better than SirCakez would, so Titus looking for a cheap mis-elim on me yesterday looked worse. But I'd be fine with either. Yesterday didn't split the pack much, as the DGB elim was almost unanimous somehow...

[Battle Mage]

I'll abstain on the artefact vote for now as I don't really have a strong townread to give it to.

[Battle Mage]

im feeling slightly more turned on today, i might even re-read some

[Battle Mage]

If Cakez is town you’re almost certainly scum here. Probably with Battle Mage if I am right and town!Cakez checked Battle Mage. But gay theories.

for goodness sake Math - please stop it with the gay theories about me and Cakez. We're just friends!

[Battle Mage]

FWIW Math, I'd be interested in a Titus or SirCakez flip today, but probably Titus more. I think Titus-scum is smart enough to know that playing off Mathblade is a good way to post lots without really furthering anything or getting a lot of scrutiny. And I trust Titus to read me better than SirCakez would, so Titus looking for a cheap mis-elim on me yesterday looked worse. But I'd be fine with either. Yesterday didn't split the pack much, as the DGB elim was almost unanimous somehow...

This post gets several things wrong

1) DGB elimination was not near unanimous. There was a counter on me.

2) I have, and continue to get, scrutiny for pushing back on Math. My goal is not to avoid scrutiny but to stop an agenda that almost certainly leads to eliminations on townreads.

3) Characterizing my push on DGB as a cheap miselimination search is wrong. I had a theory that I wanted to test.

On another note, how can you have zero townreads?

1. No, you're wrong - at end of day, DGB elim was nearly unanimous. I...wouldn't have said it if I wasn't true.
2. The fact it hasn't worked, doesn't mean it wasn't your intention. I don't think your play aligns with your alleged goal.
3. I never said anything close to that, so dunno what ur on about.

I'm not sure if the last comment was meant for me...but if it was, I didn't say that either.

Spoiler:

this sort of thing doesn't inspire me to post more. competent player making outlandish and easily disprovable allegations

[Battle Mage]

oh that's all i get before it's back to Math v Titus?

great...

bring on the 'meaningful vote'.

[Battle Mage]

Or maybe Titus if Cakez checked someone else and is town but I am really struggling with Titus town atm and would love others chiming in.

I mean it's pretty likely Cakez didn't check anyone if the player is gunning for me because there wasn't enough scrutiny on me yesterday? Did Cakez claim an investigative role?

[Battle Mage]

Oh yeah! Spiffeh had no artifacts

oh yeah id forgotten that claim

[Battle Mage]

urgh I have a lot of thoughts and can't organize them
that wagon had a weird ending but we know it was town driven at the tail end!!!
I want a lot more pressure on BM today. He totally skated by yesterday. Titus still looks scummy especially in light of DGB town flip as you could argue DGB was a counter to Titus.

VOTE: prism
This is fine with me for artifact

you're joking with me right? I was on the scum elim Day 1, was not on the town elim Day 2...and I'm the first name on your list? Back to basics.

Iso yourself man it should be obvious why you look scummy here

lol mafia 101 - punish people for mis-elimming. site meta gives scum way too easy a ride to open-wolf.

[Battle Mage]

BM, you've been quite transparent and open in previous days about trying to win an artifact, even when it was very unlikely with momentum was swinging towards others and the reads on you relatively hipfire tonal townleans.

You seem to have come into today thinking your town position should be relatively unassailable in 3238

Why abstain over voting for yourself or pushing to receive it?

good question! Answer: Given how the last 2 days panned out, I draw the same conclusion presumably others have - there's no point pushing for the artefact vote. There's 0 chance I get the artefact, and by pushing for it I'd just waste energy and probably have scum use it as an easy hook to get me elimmed. So I'm abstaining as I don't have a strong townread on anyone, my vote doesn't matter at all and I'd like to keep my clean voting record.

I don't know about my town position being unassailable. I'm capable of being mis-elimmed for no reason at the drop of a hat in these blasted large themes. But elimming me would, in my view, be a strategically poor move given my voting record, and in spite of my lack of activity.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, can you answer this please?

BM, you've been quite transparent and open in previous days about trying to win an artifact, even when it was very unlikely with momentum was swinging towards others and the reads on you relatively hipfire tonal townleans.

You seem to have come into today thinking your town position should be relatively unassailable in 3238

Why abstain over voting for yourself or pushing to receive it?

I was answering when you posted this. I took equal care and attention with my response as you did with your question.

[Battle Mage]

Oh yeah! Spiffeh had no artifacts

And why did you check Spiffeh?

This should not be pulling teeth dude.

Because I've been suspicious of him all game? It's not rocket science

It is slightly odd that Cakez would be so stand-offish about revealing the night action and justification. Then again, it's a tough roleclaim to fake, in the long run, if you don't have it. Although could it, or a mechanically equivalent modification, be a scum role? Maybe.

One for the mech nerds in the peanut gallery

[Battle Mage]

I don't know what to do about the information that I have. I'm not sure if it is alignment relevant at the moment unless one of the people I have information on lie about it. But that has to come up independently.

So, bleh. I'll be back later.

this kind of bumbling vibes town with me. Ok Tammy, you have my notional artefact vote.

VOTE: Tammy

also Tammy, can I just check you aren't claiming same exact role as Cakez? because if you are, that would be worth sharing.

[Battle Mage]

Ok Tammy, you have my notional artefact vote.

VOTE: Tammy

Thanks Battle Mage, I'll chew on that.
right now it looks like giving it to me is universal consensus.

maximum salt

[Battle Mage]

It’s almost certainly a scum power so scum took the hit on Mastina.

And it’s possible scum Titus doesn’t want us looking at Scum Cakez.

Just because someone does or doesn’t have an artifact isn’t alignment indicative if you townread Prism.

Scum may be artifact less or town might have one.

SirCakez isn’t thinking if he is town but more likely he is scum.

So afternoon opens I think we vote Cakez here barring a damn good reason.

i think scum are more likely to have more artifacts.

[Battle Mage]

That post was made before I saw your vote lmao but it was funny, figured I could just leave it. I don't think Tammy is a good pick because it consolidates investigative+artifact and just forces a nightkill.

That said the only person I really want to hear from at this point is bork and I don't think there's much left on the artifact front so
VOTE: Prism

That's Artifact-1, I'm fine with someone hammering it.

Math firing indiscriminately at everyone is growing on me. screw it, i love a hammer.

VOTE: Prism

[Battle Mage]

and now

Vote: Titus

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: titus

[Battle Mage]

spiffeh got an artefact during the day today? to support Cakez' claim...sort of?

eh, i don't love it. but Titus' reaction in 3449 is worse

[Battle Mage]

Tammy, who do you think is scum?

I'm leaning Pooky, GreyICE and Spiffeh.

no more BM? I was like confscum a couple pages ago?

[Battle Mage]

Oh right.

Help me bus Spiffeh?

I wanna see what Bell says first and then think about this slowly to find the scum here.
Some made a mistake somewhere and I wanna find out what.

err why did Bell transfer an item to spiffeh in the middle of day? but more importantly, if spiffeh was scum...why admit that?

im confused, Mathblade help me out with the technical stuff.

[Battle Mage]

where did Bell claim to transfer the item during the day?

i guess the simplest explanations would be either the Mod got it wrong in the OP, or Spiffeh and Bell are just scum? But both surprise me so I probably missed something key.

[Battle Mage]

oh yeah, i also forgot to claim this earlier (because i forgot i had it) - but one aspect of my role is that I'm a miller and come up guilty to all investigations. just an FYI i guess, as nobody has claimed to investigate me.

[Battle Mage]

you picked a miller card?

i dunno what that means? but i think ur always meant to claim if ur a miller and i forgot lol

[Battle Mage]

Item was distributed at end of morning. There are other ways to distribute artifacts. The idea that spiffeh and I are scum together and gambiting is itself just a ploy to get more information out of people probably.. or he’s misplaying. Either wouldn’t shock me.
I just got off from work so I don’t have the full context behind what is being said.

Mod

- can you please confirm if it is mechanically possible for artifacts to be transferred outside of the night phase/morning vote mechanic?

if no, we can just elim the liars.

if yes, think we need to start pinning people down to explanations for why they are moving items around. and someone needs to do a storyboard to work out whose account doesnt fit.

[Battle Mage]

Tammy, who do you think is scum?

I'm leaning Pooky, GreyICE and Spiffeh.

no more BM? I was like confscum a couple pages ago?

My foundation was off for calling you scum. Prism pointed that out to me. I still don't like you not having any solid townreads but your votes don't make you confscum.

eh, lack of solid townreads is probably more to do with how closely i've been following the game and how gross the end of yesterday was.

does everyone believe my miller claim btw? most ppl seemed to gloss over it - thought it would get some comment.

Spoiler:

yes, this is a cry for attention

[Battle Mage]

who is bell?

[Battle Mage]

happy to report i'm on a 6-game winning streak, for first time ever! so try not to fk this up, eh town?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: borkjerfkin

honestly fuck off.

...eh?

[Battle Mage]

yeah im with ya Pooky. Cakez is scum.

[Battle Mage]

im salty as hell right now. don't expect anything useful from me today (if you ever did!?)

[Battle Mage]

i did laugh at the bastard mod thing though. was half expecting it to be:

"There has been a complaint I didn't advertise this as a bastard mod game. Here you go - It's a bastard mod game!"

[Battle Mage]

nah ill stay where i am for now

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: cakez

alright now Pooky has stopped yanking my chain i'm on board.

another day, another dollar

[Battle Mage]

yeah im with ya Pooky. Cakez is scum.

why?

your takes on me are superficial, one-dimensional and lack credibility. you're a smart player, and i've only seen you make takes like that as scum when you were coasting.

I just don't believe you believe the things you say.

[Battle Mage]

^ I've changed my mind on Pooky a few times. I'm thinking Pooky-town here, based on meta. And also Mathblade - I've gone from a hard scumread to probably fairly neutral in the context of a large number of scummy players. Meta-wise, it feels more like scum mathblade, but I dunno. feels like he's been the voice of reason more often lately.

also while I'm here, I am quite surprised at how activity has really fallen away. makes me think either we have the scumteam pretty nailed in the consensus pool, or we are way off the mark. A mis-elim today and probably worth revisiting everything tomorrow. it is weird to think that Cakez' hypothetical partners wouldn't be doing SOMETHING to help here...

[Battle Mage]

hi i'm on p26 and just was curious why cakez is still alive

I thought you were banned heh

I'm pretty easy between wagons. Slightly happier on Cakez, but I'd probably do notscience too.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: notscience

last minute jitters on this Cakez wagon. i feel like the lack of drive to either complete it or challenge it, mean if it is on scum, scum must already be on wagon. But that feels a bit unlikely.

some coincidence that notscience replaces in, and top suspect happens to be the lead wagon, and other suspects are broadly consensus reads.

let's put the cat amongst the pigeons.

[Battle Mage]

also notscience replaced into the greyice slot...

[Battle Mage]

weekend VLA - back Sunday night/Monday morning

[Battle Mage]

just popping in

i'm fine being elimmed today - i bottled Cakez vote at the last minute as the game was just so stagnant. gave me a bad wagonomics vibe, but i was wrong.

Tomorrow I'd start with notscience - the only player to really call attention to my vote switch at the day end (and of course, scum would be doubly-incentivised to play that up, to throw shade on me yesterday in the hope to distract from Cakez, and failing that to tie me to Cakez.

But seriously - I'm a claimed miller, I need to be elimmed sooner or later.

i did have some other thoughts which I'll cobble together later, which will be my parting contribution!

[Battle Mage]

ah sorry, where i say "game" so stagnant above, i mean "wagon"

[Battle Mage]

lol it aint that easy - i'm town, but i'm expendable at this stage

[Battle Mage]

I do not think BM is scum but I think we have to elim him at some point.

yeah that's fair. I don't see much point dragging the day out though, and certainly don't advocate people waste time looking through a lens of "BM flips scum" when I'm flipping town.

if i'm honest, i don't think i'd think i was scum either - if I was scum with Cakez, I'm not sure belatedly moving to notscience when Cakez was already at -1 approaching deadline and highly likely to be elimmed, really makes sense? You could argue that's WIFOM, but large themes are pretty simplistic - people tend to just default to the most obvious thing, and being as conspicuous as that in what would have hypothetically been a high probability scum-elim is a pretty dumb move. But maybe y'all think I'm dumb, or more likely just don't care to spend too much time thinking logically about it. Both understandable!

Also, I'm not sure scum-BM ever fakeclaims miller, especially on Day 2 under no pressure. But hey ho - we're 150 pages deep, town in a good position, so I can understand town just wanting to pick off the low hanging fruit.

[Battle Mage]

in a way, this has been my most enjoyable large theme game in ages - just super chilled and not getting too emotionally involved

[Battle Mage]

i guess we must have a cop? or some cop artifacts? otherwise that's a bit of a lame handicap.

[Battle Mage]

i can't quote my role PM obviously, but it implies there is a gunsmith and/or standard cop (or artifacts which serve those functions).

it doesn't say anything about a PT Cop, so no idea what result I show to them.

[Battle Mage]

How does your role imply a gunsmith?

i'm not sure what you're trying to ask here, besides pushing me to quote it? i show up guilty to gunsmiths, which implies there is a gunsmith.

[Battle Mage]

^ ie. What will you flip?

Character+role title

tbh I don't think any of this helps, so it feels like a pointless discussion - I'd rather people actually spent time either trying to work out my alignment based on my play, or just elim me, rather than thinking the game is going to be broken by flavour or some outlandish claim. I'm Artie Nielson.

[Battle Mage]

honestly it feels like BM talked himself into a shitty claim and now can't come up for an excuse for why he's a miller lulz

at least claim your flavor name dude.

you know me a lot better than this (insofar as you know whilst I'm liable to fuck up on occasion, I always have some method to my madness). I'm calling Pooky-scum.

[Battle Mage]

i want BM's flavor claim because if it makes 0 sense I would like to kill him

gimme a break, you wanted to kill me anyway. I'm not going to indulge any of this flavour-solve stuff further (i assume scum probably has fakeclaims so what does it even prove?)

VOTE: Not Science

I am down for this. I kinda don’t think scum just randomly claim Miller.

yeah i can dig that VOTE: notscience

[Battle Mage]

Maybe, he's, uh, uh

checks wiki

HG Wells!!!

Surely he does not fakeclaim miller without some idea of who to flavorclaim, SURELY

i mean surely he doesn't fakeclaim miller fullstop.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Unvote

I will hammer whoever.

If it’s BM sweet we win.

I kinda think it’s Prism Bork. I just can’t shake it but it’s antitown to vote Prism here so I am stuck.

lol math i assume you're scum, but if you're town, you're my best chance of surviving today (although i'm not convinced that's any great shakes). Please go back to being motivated and pro-active.

[Battle Mage]

i don't think math-town is ever really concerned about voting someone being anti-town? math-town is paranoid and prepared to elim anyone without much provocation

[Battle Mage]

actually maybe that's not fair. math-town just always wants to elim me without much provocation. so maybe math is town here...eh

[Battle Mage]

what would actually be potentially useful today is to get everyone voting for me to give an actual game-related reason for doing so, which can be evaluated tomorrow. there are lots of players coasting, and a decent probability scum is in the cohort who knows it's a free mis-elim today, but good to pin them down to some justification for voting/not voting. otherwise there is a risk tomorrow some lurker-scum say "you idiots, why did you elim BM?"

[Battle Mage]

Can someone explain why they’re townreading Prism besides the weird power interactions?

mastina cased him

is there precedent for mastina-scum doing that on a teammate?

[Battle Mage]

exactly. implies she wanted to use momentum off a cake scum flip to get prism dead on d2

would it be fair to say that you look quite rosy coming off a, not predictable, cakez flip? by design?

[Battle Mage]

not unpredictable*

[Battle Mage]

who stopped tammy from talking?

[Battle Mage]

Also millers don't show up as guilty to gunsmiths.

lol seems like your original question was pretty disingenuous then.

[Battle Mage]

I have to work but I really want Bork’s flip.

Bork's dying anyway.

I know he is just I kinda really in my gut don’t think BM is scum
I just don’t know how to articulate it.

logic? i'm not a suicidal scumplayer who would claim miller under no pressure as a strategy with a genuine expectation of winning/surviving for a decent stint? and my voting pattern doesn't really make much sense with me being scum? But I'd be a hypocrite if I asked for actual scumhunting in this game when i didn't do much/any of it myself. The problem with games this length is that, people just lose interest and forget what has transpired. it becomes a war of attrition.

[Battle Mage]

i can't quote my role PM obviously, but it implies there is a gunsmith and/or standard cop (or artifacts which serve those functions).

it doesn't say anything about a PT Cop, so no idea what result I show to them.

How does your role imply a gunsmith?

Also millers don't show up as guilty to gunsmiths.

lol seems like your original question was pretty disingenuous then.

Nah you messed up your claim

You implied that it says something about gunsmith in the role pm rather than just your interpretation. If you were a miller, it wouldn't, or your role would be something like universal miller.

*shrug* this illustrates my point about why a prolonged discussion on roles is pointless then. I claim what my role PM says, and apparently I "messed up my claim".

[Battle Mage]

the problem with all this time wasted on "claim this, claim that" is that none of it actually furthers the game in any meaningful way. You'll either read me as town based on my play, or you'll read me as scum based on my play, or you'll policy-elim me cause i claimed miller - anything else is nonsense.

[Battle Mage]

mathblade's voting record when it counts looks really good, so against my gut, i'm gonna go mathblade-town