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Flea The Magician · Post Post #1687 (isolation #0) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:42 am

Sup nerds, I will maybe read at some point, for now I'm just going to look at the votes. My former appears to have been ANNOYINGLY null this far into D2...

DGB Shift your vote off me, I will bring Tacnayn out. ¬_¬

In post 1617, VFP wrote:Why would someone take the Alice slot just to claim and then be eliminated?
VT - we lim
PR - we lim as Alice isn't a PR.

Welp, rip me. I got my MooMoo Milk, I'm happy

In post 1589, VFP wrote:I will just add though, on a town flip here the scum team may just be amelie / Dann / Llama.
I think I'll go over this before end of day if it's still up (a day I feel un related game reasons won't have my back up anyway).

I think I've just realised what Llama is doing here if I'm right.

On a scum flip, that's dis regarded anyway.

But yes, Alice should be the flip today.

ew. Remove thine vote.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1688 (isolation #1) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:43 am

Ooo Gretchen got them spicy beans.

Hey why you so keen on yeeting my slot into Proxima Centuri?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1689 (isolation #2) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:45 am

In fact, you know something, amma wall post this beastie from D2 start.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1698 (isolation #3) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:09 am

Sheesh I still got 8 pages to read though...

Update of where Im at, DBG gets yeeted, RLotus is locktown, Gretchen be sus.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1702 (isolation #4) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:43 pm

8 pages left, only reading day 2.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1709 (isolation #5) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:17 pm

# MN1296 Catchup

Spoiler: Stand up all the night and call the fight

Spoiler: Let your mind go wild before the night

In post 1175, Dannflor wrote:nah jk kill dgb VOTE: DGB

I shouldn't have to reveal why I'm voting it at this point

PR Spec much.

In post 1177, VFP wrote:Hello!

So assuming Dann caught DGB visiting bliped. Regardless we already know that DGB visited now.

@Dann
I don't really care for you going into detail on roles or claims other than is this 100% accurate scum caught or no? I'm not lining you up for anything here I just want to know.

@DGB
why did you check Bliped over Dann? I can't really see any reason for the vote on the Bliped slot (still need to read page to page properly). It does look like you originally favoured the Dann slot though.
I just want your thought process here.

Nice entry.

In post 1184, DrippingGoofball wrote:My reads are total trash anyway. I'm literally scum MVP in every game.

Well ya fair friend is here now, you aint having that title

In post 1186, DrippingGoofball wrote:I appreciate your earnestness, VFP, but I don't care anymore. I'll be yeeted and I won't give final reads because my reads are complete trash lately. Just bad luck I suspected the dead player. The scum probably like the game state to NK garbage player slots.

Do I gotta bop you drippy?

In post 1195, Gretchen wrote:VOTE: Amelie

Goofy's defeatist nature and self trashing i hardly ever see come from maf like this

Play a game with me sometime. #QuingOfAtE

In post 1197, clidd wrote:So the set
{DGB, Grechen, Dann, Solon}
claims to be pr.

If I'm not forgetting someone, of course.

I'm only seeing 2 of those?

In post 1198, Dannflor wrote:the thing is... I didn't track DGB

so it's weird it assumes I did

Thing is I've not seen anything to imply either of this. You havnt implied a track, just a strong guilty, and I haven't seen DBG imply it was tracked.

In post 1206, Gretchen wrote:Amelie wagon anyone?

Why?

In post 1207, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: amelie

Uh... you have a guilty of some form?

In post 1208, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: amelie

DGB back to normal I think.

In post 1217, clidd wrote:Dann, what do you think of DGB's AtE?

Does it changes something in your mechanical guilt?

You are a social player and I think your reads are more important to you than mechanics.

The angle in relation to the non-elimination between claims is interesting, Grechen, but it is very likely that there is one camouflaged scum among tprs and the pool is smaller for evaluation compared to scumhunting outside the claims. If we can distinguish scum among the quartet, we are more likely to hit scum imo.

Good posting.

In post 1218, RLotus wrote:
In post 1210, Gretchen wrote:it's dumb to find the maf in the PRs right now when they have to kill them for us anyway. why's Amelie town?
Because you, dann, and dgb jumped on the amelie wagon and it seems likely to me that one of you are scum.

I'm hoping theres a followup to this.

In post 1220, Gretchen wrote:
In post 1211, Amélie wrote:From the past few pages Gretchen looks the worse for giving dripping goofball a pass for a clear attempt to fake defeatism. I have zero doubt that behavior can come from town but I find it so unlikely that a town pr would act like that under pressure. I will try to check in every day but I guarantee nothing so if a claim is needed, I'll provide it now if two people reply within five minutes.
Amelie's OMGUSing but instead of being honest about it and saying it's because she doesn't like my push on her, she's making up some weird reason lmao. like multiple people had that reaction to DGB, not just me, are we all sus?

VOTE: Amelie this is maf

NGL this feels like OMGUS to me.

In post 1222, AliceK wrote:
In post 1206, Gretchen wrote:Amelie wagon anyone?
Hmm, that's actually an interesting wagon. I can't really see anything suspcious in how Amelie developed her reads.

Reading my slot in context, they're bein quite cautious but to the point about some things...

In post 1223, Gretchen wrote:think about it clidd. Amelie said i looked the worst from the last few pages because Goofy's defeatism was thaat fake. but if she finds Goofy's defeatism that fake she should think Goofy looks the worst from the last few pages, not me.

Something called associations happen. NGL you're sat at like 3 on my reads board rn.

In post 1226, Amélie wrote:The defeatism is fake. Fake things don't always come from scum.
VOTE: Gretchen
Why did you latch on me the moment I called you scum?
I think the reason is because you are either DrippingGoofBall's scum buddy and you are trying to save them.
Or
DrippingGoofBall is town that you think is a mislim better saved for later.

DrippingGoofBall has constantly been scummy this entire game offering close to zero reasons to back up any of their thoughts. They are either scum or town that is playing poorly. Either way scum would want to save them here because they are either a scum buddy or not a threat to scum.

I admit my logic has been all over the place this game. However, you are the one constantly picking on that which I have felt weirdly about for a while now. There is no possible way you think town all have good logic and scum bad logic.

Beautiful.

In post 1228, Gretchen wrote:am i the only seeing Amelie as obv maf now? she doesn't even have the timeline of who omgused who right lmao. the last line especially feels very fake

Hmmm. OK lets have a look.

First mention of OMGUS comes from Gretchen
Amélies last post prior to this. Saying Gretchen is looking a bit... blegh.
Looking before that... I see someone possibly attempting a counterwagon from nowhere.
Last post of Gretchens mentioning Amélie just says shes got worse and worse this game.

Looking at this, Gretchen is absolutely the worst one of these two. Timeline looks accurate to me.

In post 1230, Gretchen wrote:i also don't get her confidence in the defeatism being fake regardless of Goofy's alignment. why would town be faking that?
OK so what I know of DGB is they're a minimal poster. The AtE is massively out of character for it but I'm not seeing much beyond frustation if I'm honest. That in itself is NAI.

In post 1232, bugspray wrote:VOTE: amelie
not checking if this is hammer, just voting
Bugs town.

In post 1233, VFP wrote:I can vote amelie here.
Town I feel like are Dann, Solon, Gretchen DGB and Lotus

VOTE: amelie
I think that's E1
See this is interesting because 4 of those 5 are on my scumlist.

In post 1238, RLotus wrote:amelie is so town

Gretchen's votes and pushes always feel unnatural and oppurtunistic to me. I would so want to shoot there if she wasn't a PR, but tbh I probably read her playstyle as scummy.

Dannflor I really want to know why you had so much confidence in DGB being scum if you aren't tracker, that is very fishy to me.

I seriously doubt Dann, DGB, and Gretchen are all town, that Amelie wagon is so bad.
Amma just climb in your pocket, k?

In post 1240, AliceK wrote:
In post 1238, RLotus wrote:amelie is so town

Gretchen's votes and pushes always feel unnatural and oppurtunistic to me. I would so want to shoot there if she wasn't a PR, but tbh I probably read her playstyle as scummy.

Dannflor I really want to know why you had so much confidence in DGB being scum if you aren't tracker, that is very fishy to me.

I seriously doubt Dann, DGB, and Gretchen are all town, that Amelie wagon is so bad.
I think you are too sure she is Town and I can't really see much from her posts to indicate that. Imo you are distancing from Town lynch

VOTE: Rlotus
I disavow this post from this slot.

In post 1252, RLotus wrote:
In post 1245, Dannflor wrote:btw I was wrong to say all 4 of our roles couldn't be town

4 is like a standard number for the game of this size and they all seem to be (maybe?) fairly weak investigative roles

they are weird roles to all coexist but if this is all there is it's actually not unlikely
That would make 5 PRs in total. If there are 5 prs, I find it unlikely that we've already forced them all to claim, especially when 3 prs claimed in reaction to a wagon on them (solon, dgb, gretchen). Seems more likely that we've hit a scum that used a fake claim as a defense. Especially when I already read 3 towns outside of the claims, but that's just my prespective.
Pretty sure I've missed Gretchens claim.... hang on... mmmmhm...
OK that is scoring a scumpoint. ngl. That is an awful claim made at an awful time. oh and...
The Truth wrote: having fun apparently gets me read as maf
As soon as I take a game seriously I get town read, I vibe and have fun and I'm LHF and a scum bucket. its SOOO ANNOYING

In post 1261, VFP wrote:Maybe it's because I'm caught up and in real time now, but I feel like nothing is moving while amelie is at E1. Means scum are just watching hoping for the lim? Possibly, but it feels more like scum don't know who to effectivly push.

In post 1259, RLotus wrote:For Dann and gretchen it makes no sense for them to move away from DGB onto their partner Amelie.
Lets not give credit where not due yet.
Dann did jump on a small, but existing wagon on you once amelie was at E1. The DGB wagon fizzled off as well. I'm not saying Dann is scum for this, I'm pointing out that it's not a golden path.

I do agree that scum can have the exact emotion that DGB had, but if that's what you want to go on to convince me to vote there you will need more. I'm sticking to town response overall.
What else makes DGB scum (Outside of Dann's claim and the reaction)?
If town, do you think this was a bad night action choice, given DGB scum read Biped slot?

A counter wagon at this point wouldn't be bad though, as a mis lim in the current state doesn't tell us much more than we know now.

UNVOTE: amelie
My vote is purely here in spirit but I don't want a rash choice to end it.
This screams pro-town to me.

In post 1269, geraintm wrote:ok, i am going back to work out who i want to vote for.
i am still wanting to eliminate someone on the wagon yesterday, because i hated everyone on it when i went through the votes and how they happened.

They were
clidd, RLotus, Dannflor, Gretchen, Featherless Biped, bugspray, Solon

But Solon, Dannflor & Gretchen have both made claims that have not ben countered so i don't think it is worth voting there
Obviously Featherless Biped died too.

that leaves
CLidd
Rlotus
Bugspray

But Rlotus has a green light, leaving Clidd and Bugspray
I cannot believe there isn't scum somewhere on the wagon, so becuase of probability that is where i am focussing.
My comments before on these two were

"Clidd voted in 988, was a blank vote. first voted back in 570. I cannot work out why they ever voted for Hypo"
"bugspray - this just felt like someone wanting a wagon to get over the line, trying hard to to eliminate someone (who turned out to be town)"

Currently, Bugspray is on the Amelie wagon.
Clidd isn't voting
I am going to look at Clidd's recent posts now to see what is up

a bunch of posts talking about Amelie but concluding not
for someone who had like 100 posts day 1, they have had about 15 day 2

Now bugspray
their last post
In post 1266, bugspray wrote:i sr both and there was a wagon on amelie and not clidd

In post 1232, bugspray wrote:VOTE: amelie
not checking if this is hammer, just voting

In post 1138, bugspray wrote:getchen can you join this clidd wagon? if you get my read on amelie then you should at least trust my read on clidd a bit
Those feel like the most interesting posts. pretty much happy with either clidd or amelie.

Overalll, i dislike CLidd more. I never got their vote yesterday, and the change in post count and being off wagon now (to me it has the hallmarks of scum team trying to share around being on and off wagon) feels weird.

VOTE: clidd
Gerain you have massively different energy here to my last rep in. You were more passive then and you seem more engaged here... I'm TRing you at 7/10 but I'm sus af about it.

Spoiler: Here we come, the Army of the Night

In post 1275, clidd wrote:If the assumption that there is a scum between the claims is correct, it is likely that DGB is the peep we'e looking for by PoE. Grechen, Dunn and Solon are more towny.

mmmm.... I dont like this... I dont know why... feels weird, not quite agenda-y but still... Like I have a strong TL on clidd so am conflicted.

In post 1280, clidd wrote:Alice's vote was terrible, but not scummy, probably bad town. I need to remember to take a look at meta to see if town!Alice also plays/has already played like this.

There have been some way worse votes made by others, ngl.

In post 1288, Gretchen wrote:i'd much rather prefer amelie than clidd. lotus you're overthinking it and considering wagons too much when you should just vote for who you think is maf, there's no way to tell if all the prs on amelie were town and even if one of them was maf, they could be bussing or distancing by voting her. you're really just calling amelie town because you think 1 maf could have voted there? that means literally nothing lmao.

Oh my sweet merciful lavos, what bullshittery is this that appears before mine eyes!? This is scummy af.

In post 1300, Amélie wrote:Town: Clidd
Null: Geraintm, RLotus, Dannflor, Solon, VFP, Bugspray
Scum: AliceK, DrippingGoofball, Gretchen

I kinda want more from you Amélia. You hath the good juju.

In post 1302, clidd wrote:
Several Things

Love it.

In post 1314, AliceK wrote:
In post 1300, Amélie wrote:Town: Clidd
Null: Geraintm, RLotus, Dannflor, Solon, VFP, Bugspray
Scum: AliceK, DrippingGoofball, Gretchen
I still think Lotus should be eliminated. His wagon has no traction and posts are just too calculated.

In post 1315, AliceK wrote:
In post 1300, Amélie wrote:Town: Clidd
Null: Geraintm, RLotus, Dannflor, Solon, VFP, Bugspray
Scum: AliceK, DrippingGoofball, Gretchen
I think there is a high chance that all your scum tells are all Town.

... was my predesseor even paying attenion to the game o.o WAT.
/disavowed.
Yeesh I wanna vote me.

In post 1319, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1305, clidd wrote:Actually, I would not rule out bad scum play on the part of a possible scum!DGB.

I don't think the frustration it showed a few pages ago would have lasted so far if the feeling was genuine.
Another one of those "DGB would have done this, DGB would have done that..."

I can't take it anymore.

VOTE: RLotus

This is anti-town, regardless of alignment.

In post 1327, clidd wrote:Alice gives me similar sensations to Hypo

It's probably a slot that scum doesn't want to touch yet.

Ngl if I was against this slot, the mislim potential is just beautiful. -.-;

In post 1328, Amélie wrote:Stuff

I like this. You have earned the town read.

In post 1332, VFP wrote:
In post 1328, Amélie wrote:How is it convenient to only have one townread?
I'm talking about your reads as a whole.
Every time you post your reads it looks to be safe or popular options.
At no point I never mention due to your town reads, but it interests me that both you and Clidd comment on that.

In post 1328, Amélie wrote:I don't think I ever hard scum read clidd.
Do you want to try again here?

In post 350, Amélie wrote:I think clidd is definitely scum here.

In post 352, Amélie wrote:I am now pretty certain the scum team is April Ludgate, Entrapta, and Clidd.

In post 1328, Amélie wrote:The way he has been playing this game is strange compared to where I last saw him but he's very noticeably trying to solve the game and thinking deeper than scum would here. If all of the analysis he has done comes from scum, I will be very shocked.
Let's not pretend that was my question. What made your read change on Clidd? Keeping in mind this happened before the reason you just gave.

*Announcer voice*

And in a surprise shadow strike from VFP hitting Amélie square in the face, they move up and her position on the leaderboards!

<skipping the meta chatty>

In post 1350, clidd wrote:From what I remember, Dann indirectly suggested that he had followed DGB to the player who was killed (although he later stated that he did not, as he is not a tracker), and DGB's reaction was to immediately claim that it had investigated the player dead to justify any possible tracking from DGB to the NK.

The point is that scum!DGB could have panicked for thinking that Dann had a guilty and invented the claim, but the timing in which it occurred was very early and without much thought on the possibility that Dann could be bluffing or not.

The question would be: Town!DGB would really be frustrated by the ''bad luck'' of investigating the NK for being suspicious of him and because of this action being a potential suspect as a tpr?

Eugh I need to go back again don't I...

ok nope not seeing any implication of a track. A >90% scum hit.

In post 1354, Solon wrote:
In post 1343, clidd wrote:One thought that came to my mind, btw, is the fact that Solon had an approximate period of 6 days of inactivity and received no prod.

I suppose that N_M could have just forgotten, but an interesting theory was if Solon was posting on some PT but not in the main chat and N_M was under the illusion that Solon was active and not needing a prod.
This is disgusting

VOTE: Clidd

@mod
can you confirm why I wasn’t prodded?

<insert DAAAAAAAAAAAMN scene from Friday here>
Sweet baby Magus you can go back to null for the sheer orbs on that one.

In post 1355, clidd wrote:

I said PT, but I didn't necessarily mention a scum PT. There are also private topics that any player can ask for, regardless of alignment.

But you unconsciously assumed that I was referring to the scum PT, which probably means that you don't have access to a PT if you are town.

So if the theory is correct, you're probably scum. Unless there is some other explanation that you are going to deliver now.

Meanwhile you can lose a point and go back into my leans.

In post 1358, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1356, clidd wrote:Alright, does anyone have any thoughts on DGB?

We have 2 days left.
I am the easiest person to yeet after all.

#LockedAndLoaded.

In post 1359, DrippingGoofball wrote:Post 1328, Amelie.From "He feels like" to "townread me."

That's the town tell. I still can't figure out how to select text on mobile.

Sadly having checked that out, I can't see it. This is annoyingly a potential associative.

Correction given later, I agree.

Spoiler: Mater Maria

In post 1375, Amélie wrote:I'm not sure if that is the hammer but quickly before I go to work, last words are that I think Dripping is probably town at this point. This is too suicidal. If that wasn't the hammer, we need to think a bit before doing anything. They are being very suicidal and I just think at this point, it comes from town.

If DrippingGoofball is scum and that was the hammer, I'm happy to call Dannflor scum for a hammer out of nowhere. Solon's vote is horrible but that was minimegabyte and she was a solid townread of mine. I don't like VFB but I could see them being scum and that's it. Back to the cop on me request please.

Go read me in D2 Silent Star 3. All I'm saying.

In post 1387, Gretchen wrote:lmao what am i even doing. calls a slot obvtown and votes them in the same post. but seriously, their play looks town but the guilty is a guilty so meh. also i don't care enough right now to make my own push

Eugh.

*Grabs The Hot'n'Spice Machine and lights her up*

Havent had to use my flamethrower for a while...

In post 1391, DrippingGoofball wrote:I just can't get townread no matter what I do.

But I accept i need to be yeeted because for some reason the scum NK'd the player i found most suspicious and no one thinks it's a good idea to figure out which players are happiest with the gamestate (hint, it's not me)

Honestly at this point your self-destruction is to the point where its anti-town af and you can't be allowed to continue in the game regardless of alignment. I hate it, because you can be a pretty epic player and I was town reading you prior to the full meltdown.

In post 1411, VFP wrote: Alice straight up isn't paying attention to the game. Basically wasting a vote, not trying to solve anything. Won't even give a solid read on amelie and yet avoids when we have a wagon there.

She paid enough looking at it.. ye gods have I got an uphill battle -.-; I regret reading her in context.

In post 1419, RLotus wrote:I hate it sososo much that defeatism like that gets town read on here, it is so gross. Such a free defense for scum to do

Shut down and do nothing and get town read for it, so absurd

Yup, except its over eggd the puddin.

In post 1424, DrippingGoofball wrote:Anyway Lotus

You sound like frustrated scum.

I mean, c'mon. Never mind one or two extra eggs this is a damn farm of them.

In post 1431, LlamaFluff wrote:Its been three years so lets do this...

Everyone needs to in their next post give a brief summary of the game so far and an explanation of their current vote. I dont want essays but enough for me to get a better idea of what happened in real time than reading 60 pages in a night which im doing now. Think one paragraph for each.

Unvote

There are 2 types of replacement....

In post 1438, LlamaFluff wrote:Also I want a few more detailed thoughts on each other from the following pairings which I am really interested in at around page 30

Geranitum-Clidd (Alice weigh in with thoughts on both)
Dann-VFP

Dunno if she ever did, but sure.
I have weak town reads on both the top duo.
Weak town lean on Dann, town reading VFP.

In post 1444, LlamaFluff wrote:And also just for a bit of a backstory on where I am coming from because I think most people here have no idea who I am: I spent 6-7 years as a List Mod (ran Large Theme for a bit and then moreso Open Queue), ran a Open Setup design contest, and worked as a primary reviewer for normal games. Just coming back to the site after about three years away. So thats why im so interested in how meta has shifted in that time as there are things that back when would throw up major flags that I need to see if still holds true.

You were best listmod, just sayin. Was sure I played one of your games but its not on my old wiki :/ I know we played together :3 Back in the days of 3 week day phases and walls a plenty...

In post 1467, RLotus wrote:
In post 1172, DrippingGoofball wrote:Add this to a long list of games where I fucked up a PR.

I'm
Night 1
Psychologist
and I investigated the NK'd player.

Dannflor is scum PR, put two and two together, bye, see you all in the dead thread.

VOTE: DGB
Oh I forgot to mention when I was explaining why DGB is scum to
solon
^VFP. DGB simultaneously concludes that they've been tracked to the NK and that Dann is a scum PR. DGB is all oh so unlucky I investigated the NK and Dann tracked me, but if they think Dann is scum PR why do they think they've been tracked? And why do they think that Dann needs to be a PR at all if he is just scum?

Where is the town thought process here?

Aand you hit 10C. Grats my read on you aint changing.

Spoiler: Lined up side by side and bound to pray

In post 1476, LlamaFluff wrote:Actually lets do this instead

Vote AliceK

Day one they do nothing in terms of scumhunting. There actually is an over two week span where they are on Entrapa (Dann) and actually never address any reasons or try and gather any other support. Just sits back and says little while others peruse things. Also seems to at most just chainsaw April slot quite a bit.

Day two they show heavy interest in getting a claimed PR ran up, and then moves off the claimed PR for... the player the claimed PR says to have somewhat cleared because that player has a town read on someone. We are on day two. We have multiple claimed PRs. Alice is voting someone, who one of the PRs is saying they have down as clear, because Alice doesnt think there is a reason to have that strong of a town read on the player. Its also just confusing because if you think Solon is lying and never cleared Lotus... the move is to vote Solon.

She has been hesitant to do anything the whole game, attacking a player for being too confident in a town read (which lets me honest, the confidence there doesnt even seem high) and has routinely either refused to or decided not to try and get any sort of a push together to try and move the game in a direction they wanted. This is what scum who is happy keeping a status quo in the game looks like. I feel ive added more to this game in one day than Alice has in one month. This needs to start being the wagon.

Yup, I'd 100% agree IF IT WASNT MY DAMN SLOT eugh.
Seriously I'm disavowing almost all her posts from today, and I'm going to disavow D1s posts as well because I aint reading D1 but I already got the naff vibes.

In post 1479, clidd wrote:I mean, she's a lhf in my view, but I really have no argument beyond that(and the "she looks like Hypo" thing) to sustain a tr on the slot. I'm just not voting her rn after seeing your points (which are good) to keep some momentum on Amélie's wagon, in case someone sympathizes with my read there.

I hate being critical on my own slot, but its not even LHF, its evasion. Shes left a lot of closed statements that dont leave anything for a follow up. Like I would genuinely be on the slot with a lot more pressure than you lot are doing -.-;

In post 1483, clidd wrote:What you described of "not being interested in finding scum" is a frequent scumtell of newbie!scum and considering that Alice is a newbie, I believe it is compatible with the scum!Alice theory of being concerned only with how she is visualized but not being able to emulate an investigative town reasoning process.

But, again, although it is logically plausible, it does not mean that it is necessarily the case. Alice could also be town acting apathetic and being interpreted as scum.

I'm not against the pressure on her, it is necessary, as you mentioned, but I'm not so comfortable to join the wagon yet.

My feel on her posts isn't newbscum, but stupidly freaking cautious and self-aware.

In post 1501, LlamaFluff wrote:Yall need to post more. Literally if you are town not posting at least once a day that is borderline playing against win condition. Yeah I work a 8-6ish office job (albeit remote for now), but if I *ever* stop posting for more than a day without giving warning, call me out on it. If there arent even enough players around to be able to get a vote pulled off after I got the deadline moved out, that is a massive issue.

@mod
- Can we get a vote count and prods?

This is probably actually NAI, given my own meta... but you can go in the townbin.

In post 1502, clidd wrote:Ok, I have many trs/tls. That's a problem.

Same... 6, 1, 6, 7, 4, 8, 10C, 9 and 5 are my scores for people atm.

In post 1514, LlamaFluff wrote:You ever heard of DGBs claimed role before? Again checking against if there is a recentcy bias in how setups are made.

Wiki date checks out, which was my goto on that one.

In post 1518, clidd wrote:Ok, so from where I stand, VFP and you (Llama) are two slots that reflect me as town due to the way you both have expressed your opinions about the game. I feel a real desire to investigate what is going on and collect information, which basically suggests that you two are starting from an uninformed perspective, that is, town. Dgb is among the set because I concluded, at least atm, that the sum of all its actions after the claim does not seem like a scum withdrawal/frustration but rather a town withdrawal/frustration. Although it's not weighing its opinions about the game in a detailed way, I'm convinced that its play doesn’t make much sense for scum!DGB to make, unless something drastically changes my perception of the slot.

In other words, I'm townreading Vfp based on his play only, without the influence of the predecessor.

Nope. I have seen exactly this level of AtE from a caught scum before in a mini theme attempting to deny and evade a mechanical guilty, and that was a stronger one than the one we have here, like it was 100% crumbed and followed up on.

In post 1525, clidd wrote:
@clidd - So you have DGB as solid town, and Dann who did some odd soft claim and then backed off it but still seems to be saying they have a role as more neutral? If you had to guess what is Dann role wise if he is scum?
Yep.

If I had to guess, in a scum!Dann scenario, I would say that he's some kind of scum tracker. He needed to know that DGB was on Biped.

Thing to me is if DGB does flip green, we need a look at Dann and his results from N2 (Cant remember claim details, dont think there were any?)

In post 1528, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1525, clidd wrote:
@clidd - So you have DGB as solid town, and Dann who did some odd soft claim and then backed off it but still seems to be saying they have a role as more neutral? If you had to guess what is Dann role wise if he is scum?
Yep.

If I had to guess, in a scum!Dann scenario, I would say that he's some kind of scum tracker. He needed to know that DGB was on Biped.
So why is he claiming to have not tracked DGB? Wouldnt he just hone in on that mislynch if he was scum, its not like he has any reason to back off it, especially with the DGB claim? He either gets viewed as obviously town with DGB dying and he gets no flack or he gets viewed as town and DGB lives. Thats a win-win.

I do keep going back and forth, but Dann-scum backing off the tracked claim (unless he is legitimately afraid of a different PR) just doesnt make sense because it would have been a blunder. Its also worth noting that if Dann is a town tracker, he absolutely should claim because that does massive damage to how breakable this game is. Tracker is a very underrated tool in creating cleared players.

I think im mostly just sheeping Lotus between which A goes today, because if he is scum its in such a narrow window that I think its a no lose situation.

I'm still not seeing a tracker claim from Dann? Ive triple checked and nope.

In post 1537, RLotus wrote:It's worth mentioning that gretchen and Dann seem coordinated in their votes today. Dann and grethcen were both on DGB. Then, gretchen said she can't see DGB's defeatism coming from scum and moved to Amelie which started the momentum there. Both came back to DGB around the same time as well.

Glad we're on the same page.

In post 1541, Not_Mafia wrote:
Amélie is being prodded. AliceK is being replaced.

Not saying I have regrets... but... I have MooMoo Milk

In post 1547, clidd wrote:The solution between Amélie and Alice is quite simple:

If Alice's replacement is towny> vote on Amélie.

If Alice's replacement is scummy> vote on Alice.

If Alice's replacement is neutral, however, we will debate the two slots again and evaluate together with Amélie's new posts to decide who will be voted.

I am genuinely amazed there isn't already more votes here.
Thankfully I make a strong catch up when I rep in.

Heeey Im in these quotes

I still got frikken yeeted in that game. Despite townspewing like an absolute beast.

In post 1566, Gretchen wrote:i'm so incredibly lazy this game, i don't deserve to be here

clidd, why do you still find Amelie maf? i've actually found d her recent thoughts towny and lacking an agenda

Nope, you should be voted and yeeted. Your vote is as stinky as the rest of your posts

In post 1576, Gretchen wrote:damn. vfp's putting in a lot of effort. ok. Alice solon and 1 of amelie or lotus then.

Rule of 3s states 1 of this list+VFP is scum

In post 1582, Gretchen wrote:i actually completely agree. vfp lacks SOUL, and feels like he's afraid to take any hard stances. maybe i'm dumb to label him probtown just bc he's putting effort in

The buddying is real.

In post 1589, VFP wrote:I will just add though, on a town flip here the scum team may just be amelie / Dann / Llama.
I think I'll go over this before end of day if it's still up (a day I feel un related game reasons won't have my back up anyway).

I think I've just realised what Llama is doing here if I'm right.

On a scum flip, that's dis regarded anyway.

But yes, Alice should be the flip today.

Ooo you lost a townpoint. Why should I be the flip over an AtE storming potential guilty?

In post 1596, Gretchen wrote:well now we wait for an alice replacement bc we need a claim i guess.

And I refuse to claim, this wagon on this slot *could* be justified, but the reasonings all stink. I've pulled more justification for my elimination than most of you have.

Spoiler: Sent to die and fight the final day

Ye gods I didn't realise how accurate these lyrics would be...

In post 1609, clidd wrote:
In post 1171, AliceK wrote:
In post 1158, Solon wrote:She strikes me as rigid scum

Her reads and views aren’t adapting, she still wants to push my elim because..????
I didn't reevaluate my reads that is true, but did you do something to change my mind?
That's a weird interaction.

Weird yes, but I like it. I am happy that post staying on this slot lol.

In post 1614, Amélie wrote:I'm caught up as of the last two pages. I am willing to vote out Alice today but I think we should wait for a claim. I prefer Gretchen over Alice today actually. Unless Gretchen claimed some pr somewhere, I think she should be the elimination today.

1) She always shows up during convenient times. What I mean by that is times where there are strong opposing counter wagons which are times where people's input and opinions are ten times more important than during any other time of the day.

2) Her scum read on me I absolutely hated. Vfp's scum read on me is being criticized but Gretchen's scum read on me had only repetition and no actual substance.

3) She's never been a plausible wagon despite her extremely scummy behavior.

4) Even if we excuse the RVS useless posts, most of Gretchen's iso is still all of that useless fluff even deep(somewhat) into the game.

No, me thinking Goofball is town does not reverse my scum read on you.

VOTE: Gretchen

I discredit lotus' townread on me because I don't think that is why I am town here. I can see town thinking that maybe but I personally do not agree with the analysis. Lotus is a paranoia scum read for me which means if my current scum reads are wrong, he is probably scum.

This smells slightly of TMI. Another lost townpoint.

In post 1617, VFP wrote:Why would someone take the Alice slot just to claim and then be eliminated?
VT - we lim
PR - we lim as Alice isn't a PR.

Nah we aint eliminating me. I'm not claiming. We've a mechanical guilty and a AtE storm that vanishes as soon as the pressures low. WHICH IS WEIRD.

In post 1629, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1625, geraintm wrote:
If Alice slips scum VFP gets ran up immediately.

what does this mean "slips scum"
*Flips. I tend to typo a lot as I constantly reword things in my head, and if autocorrect doesnt catch it I usually wont either. If anything I write sounds very disjointed, I didnt like how it sounded, got in my own head and then made it worse with revisions.

This is a whole mood.

Can tell the games stagnating as we're waiting for the replacments...

In post 1650, VFP wrote:Let's put it this way.

Amelie scum / Alice town indicates Llama comes off worse as scum
Amelie town / Alice town then me and Llama are probably scum together.

These are the only outcomes available. I'm currently back to a null on Amelie which is annoying as they were in townread territory at one point.
And honestly, I dont see either of you as scum currently.

In post 1661, Amélie wrote:What is a Psychologist and Detective? I haven't ever heard of roles like this. Also Clidd, why do you find that post scummy?
I don't think massclaim on day 2 is a good idea but if it's the best play, I'm willing to do it.
I'm starting to worry about a Clidd/VFP scum team now but I'll have to think on that since I currently don't have enough town reads.

Not like there hasnt been enough discussion on this already... eugh.

In post 1684, clidd wrote:I'll give 24 hours to the Alice slot. If no one appears, I'll vote.

Surprise, nerd!

I'm here.

Spoiler: Army of the Night, we came to stay

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1710 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:17 pm

# MN1296 Catchup

Spoiler: Stand up all the night and call the fight

Spoiler: Let your mind go wild before the night

In post 1175, Dannflor wrote:nah jk kill dgb VOTE: DGB

I shouldn't have to reveal why I'm voting it at this point

PR Spec much.

In post 1177, VFP wrote:Hello!

So assuming Dann caught DGB visiting bliped. Regardless we already know that DGB visited now.

@Dann
I don't really care for you going into detail on roles or claims other than is this 100% accurate scum caught or no? I'm not lining you up for anything here I just want to know.

@DGB
why did you check Bliped over Dann? I can't really see any reason for the vote on the Bliped slot (still need to read page to page properly). It does look like you originally favoured the Dann slot though.
I just want your thought process here.

Nice entry.

In post 1184, DrippingGoofball wrote:My reads are total trash anyway. I'm literally scum MVP in every game.

Well ya fair friend is here now, you aint having that title

In post 1186, DrippingGoofball wrote:I appreciate your earnestness, VFP, but I don't care anymore. I'll be yeeted and I won't give final reads because my reads are complete trash lately. Just bad luck I suspected the dead player. The scum probably like the game state to NK garbage player slots.

Do I gotta bop you drippy?

In post 1195, Gretchen wrote:VOTE: Amelie

Goofy's defeatist nature and self trashing i hardly ever see come from maf like this

Play a game with me sometime. #QuingOfAtE

In post 1197, clidd wrote:So the set
{DGB, Grechen, Dann, Solon}
claims to be pr.

If I'm not forgetting someone, of course.

I'm only seeing 2 of those?

In post 1198, Dannflor wrote:the thing is... I didn't track DGB

so it's weird it assumes I did

Thing is I've not seen anything to imply either of this. You havnt implied a track, just a strong guilty, and I haven't seen DBG imply it was tracked.

In post 1206, Gretchen wrote:Amelie wagon anyone?

Why?

In post 1207, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: amelie

Uh... you have a guilty of some form?

In post 1208, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: amelie

DGB back to normal I think.

In post 1217, clidd wrote:Dann, what do you think of DGB's AtE?

Does it changes something in your mechanical guilt?

You are a social player and I think your reads are more important to you than mechanics.

The angle in relation to the non-elimination between claims is interesting, Grechen, but it is very likely that there is one camouflaged scum among tprs and the pool is smaller for evaluation compared to scumhunting outside the claims. If we can distinguish scum among the quartet, we are more likely to hit scum imo.

Good posting.

In post 1218, RLotus wrote:
In post 1210, Gretchen wrote:it's dumb to find the maf in the PRs right now when they have to kill them for us anyway. why's Amelie town?
Because you, dann, and dgb jumped on the amelie wagon and it seems likely to me that one of you are scum.

I'm hoping theres a followup to this.

In post 1220, Gretchen wrote:
In post 1211, Amélie wrote:From the past few pages Gretchen looks the worse for giving dripping goofball a pass for a clear attempt to fake defeatism. I have zero doubt that behavior can come from town but I find it so unlikely that a town pr would act like that under pressure. I will try to check in every day but I guarantee nothing so if a claim is needed, I'll provide it now if two people reply within five minutes.
Amelie's OMGUSing but instead of being honest about it and saying it's because she doesn't like my push on her, she's making up some weird reason lmao. like multiple people had that reaction to DGB, not just me, are we all sus?

VOTE: Amelie this is maf

NGL this feels like OMGUS to me.

In post 1222, AliceK wrote:
In post 1206, Gretchen wrote:Amelie wagon anyone?
Hmm, that's actually an interesting wagon. I can't really see anything suspcious in how Amelie developed her reads.

Reading my slot in context, they're bein quite cautious but to the point about some things...

In post 1223, Gretchen wrote:think about it clidd. Amelie said i looked the worst from the last few pages because Goofy's defeatism was thaat fake. but if she finds Goofy's defeatism that fake she should think Goofy looks the worst from the last few pages, not me.

Something called associations happen. NGL you're sat at like 3 on my reads board rn.

In post 1226, Amélie wrote:The defeatism is fake. Fake things don't always come from scum.
VOTE: Gretchen
Why did you latch on me the moment I called you scum?
I think the reason is because you are either DrippingGoofBall's scum buddy and you are trying to save them.
Or
DrippingGoofBall is town that you think is a mislim better saved for later.

DrippingGoofBall has constantly been scummy this entire game offering close to zero reasons to back up any of their thoughts. They are either scum or town that is playing poorly. Either way scum would want to save them here because they are either a scum buddy or not a threat to scum.

I admit my logic has been all over the place this game. However, you are the one constantly picking on that which I have felt weirdly about for a while now. There is no possible way you think town all have good logic and scum bad logic.

Beautiful.

In post 1228, Gretchen wrote:am i the only seeing Amelie as obv maf now? she doesn't even have the timeline of who omgused who right lmao. the last line especially feels very fake

Hmmm. OK lets have a look.

First mention of OMGUS comes from Gretchen
Amélies last post prior to this. Saying Gretchen is looking a bit... blegh.
Looking before that... I see someone possibly attempting a counterwagon from nowhere.
Last post of Gretchens mentioning Amélie just says shes got worse and worse this game.

Looking at this, Gretchen is absolutely the worst one of these two. Timeline looks accurate to me.

In post 1230, Gretchen wrote:i also don't get her confidence in the defeatism being fake regardless of Goofy's alignment. why would town be faking that?
OK so what I know of DGB is they're a minimal poster. The AtE is massively out of character for it but I'm not seeing much beyond frustation if I'm honest. That in itself is NAI.

In post 1232, bugspray wrote:VOTE: amelie
not checking if this is hammer, just voting
Bugs town.

In post 1233, VFP wrote:I can vote amelie here.
Town I feel like are Dann, Solon, Gretchen DGB and Lotus

VOTE: amelie
I think that's E1
See this is interesting because 4 of those 5 are on my scumlist.

In post 1238, RLotus wrote:amelie is so town

Gretchen's votes and pushes always feel unnatural and oppurtunistic to me. I would so want to shoot there if she wasn't a PR, but tbh I probably read her playstyle as scummy.

Dannflor I really want to know why you had so much confidence in DGB being scum if you aren't tracker, that is very fishy to me.

I seriously doubt Dann, DGB, and Gretchen are all town, that Amelie wagon is so bad.
Amma just climb in your pocket, k?

In post 1240, AliceK wrote:
In post 1238, RLotus wrote:amelie is so town

Gretchen's votes and pushes always feel unnatural and oppurtunistic to me. I would so want to shoot there if she wasn't a PR, but tbh I probably read her playstyle as scummy.

Dannflor I really want to know why you had so much confidence in DGB being scum if you aren't tracker, that is very fishy to me.

I seriously doubt Dann, DGB, and Gretchen are all town, that Amelie wagon is so bad.
I think you are too sure she is Town and I can't really see much from her posts to indicate that. Imo you are distancing from Town lynch

VOTE: Rlotus
I disavow this post from this slot.

In post 1252, RLotus wrote:
In post 1245, Dannflor wrote:btw I was wrong to say all 4 of our roles couldn't be town

4 is like a standard number for the game of this size and they all seem to be (maybe?) fairly weak investigative roles

they are weird roles to all coexist but if this is all there is it's actually not unlikely
That would make 5 PRs in total. If there are 5 prs, I find it unlikely that we've already forced them all to claim, especially when 3 prs claimed in reaction to a wagon on them (solon, dgb, gretchen). Seems more likely that we've hit a scum that used a fake claim as a defense. Especially when I already read 3 towns outside of the claims, but that's just my prespective.
Pretty sure I've missed Gretchens claim.... hang on... mmmmhm...
OK that is scoring a scumpoint. ngl. That is an awful claim made at an awful time. oh and...
The Truth wrote: having fun apparently gets me read as maf
As soon as I take a game seriously I get town read, I vibe and have fun and I'm LHF and a scum bucket. its SOOO ANNOYING

In post 1261, VFP wrote:Maybe it's because I'm caught up and in real time now, but I feel like nothing is moving while amelie is at E1. Means scum are just watching hoping for the lim? Possibly, but it feels more like scum don't know who to effectivly push.

In post 1259, RLotus wrote:For Dann and gretchen it makes no sense for them to move away from DGB onto their partner Amelie.
Lets not give credit where not due yet.
Dann did jump on a small, but existing wagon on you once amelie was at E1. The DGB wagon fizzled off as well. I'm not saying Dann is scum for this, I'm pointing out that it's not a golden path.

I do agree that scum can have the exact emotion that DGB had, but if that's what you want to go on to convince me to vote there you will need more. I'm sticking to town response overall.
What else makes DGB scum (Outside of Dann's claim and the reaction)?
If town, do you think this was a bad night action choice, given DGB scum read Biped slot?

A counter wagon at this point wouldn't be bad though, as a mis lim in the current state doesn't tell us much more than we know now.

UNVOTE: amelie
My vote is purely here in spirit but I don't want a rash choice to end it.
This screams pro-town to me.

In post 1269, geraintm wrote:ok, i am going back to work out who i want to vote for.
i am still wanting to eliminate someone on the wagon yesterday, because i hated everyone on it when i went through the votes and how they happened.

They were
clidd, RLotus, Dannflor, Gretchen, Featherless Biped, bugspray, Solon

But Solon, Dannflor & Gretchen have both made claims that have not ben countered so i don't think it is worth voting there
Obviously Featherless Biped died too.

that leaves
CLidd
Rlotus
Bugspray

But Rlotus has a green light, leaving Clidd and Bugspray
I cannot believe there isn't scum somewhere on the wagon, so becuase of probability that is where i am focussing.
My comments before on these two were

"Clidd voted in 988, was a blank vote. first voted back in 570. I cannot work out why they ever voted for Hypo"
"bugspray - this just felt like someone wanting a wagon to get over the line, trying hard to to eliminate someone (who turned out to be town)"

Currently, Bugspray is on the Amelie wagon.
Clidd isn't voting
I am going to look at Clidd's recent posts now to see what is up

a bunch of posts talking about Amelie but concluding not
for someone who had like 100 posts day 1, they have had about 15 day 2

Now bugspray
their last post
In post 1266, bugspray wrote:i sr both and there was a wagon on amelie and not clidd

In post 1232, bugspray wrote:VOTE: amelie
not checking if this is hammer, just voting

In post 1138, bugspray wrote:getchen can you join this clidd wagon? if you get my read on amelie then you should at least trust my read on clidd a bit
Those feel like the most interesting posts. pretty much happy with either clidd or amelie.

Overalll, i dislike CLidd more. I never got their vote yesterday, and the change in post count and being off wagon now (to me it has the hallmarks of scum team trying to share around being on and off wagon) feels weird.

VOTE: clidd
Gerain you have massively different energy here to my last rep in. You were more passive then and you seem more engaged here... I'm TRing you at 7/10 but I'm sus af about it.

Spoiler: Here we come, the Army of the Night

In post 1275, clidd wrote:If the assumption that there is a scum between the claims is correct, it is likely that DGB is the peep we'e looking for by PoE. Grechen, Dunn and Solon are more towny.

mmmm.... I dont like this... I dont know why... feels weird, not quite agenda-y but still... Like I have a strong TL on clidd so am conflicted.

In post 1280, clidd wrote:Alice's vote was terrible, but not scummy, probably bad town. I need to remember to take a look at meta to see if town!Alice also plays/has already played like this.

There have been some way worse votes made by others, ngl.

In post 1288, Gretchen wrote:i'd much rather prefer amelie than clidd. lotus you're overthinking it and considering wagons too much when you should just vote for who you think is maf, there's no way to tell if all the prs on amelie were town and even if one of them was maf, they could be bussing or distancing by voting her. you're really just calling amelie town because you think 1 maf could have voted there? that means literally nothing lmao.

Oh my sweet merciful lavos, what bullshittery is this that appears before mine eyes!? This is scummy af.

In post 1300, Amélie wrote:Town: Clidd
Null: Geraintm, RLotus, Dannflor, Solon, VFP, Bugspray
Scum: AliceK, DrippingGoofball, Gretchen

I kinda want more from you Amélia. You hath the good juju.

In post 1302, clidd wrote:
Several Things

Love it.

In post 1314, AliceK wrote:
In post 1300, Amélie wrote:Town: Clidd
Null: Geraintm, RLotus, Dannflor, Solon, VFP, Bugspray
Scum: AliceK, DrippingGoofball, Gretchen
I still think Lotus should be eliminated. His wagon has no traction and posts are just too calculated.

In post 1315, AliceK wrote:
In post 1300, Amélie wrote:Town: Clidd
Null: Geraintm, RLotus, Dannflor, Solon, VFP, Bugspray
Scum: AliceK, DrippingGoofball, Gretchen
I think there is a high chance that all your scum tells are all Town.

... was my predesseor even paying attenion to the game o.o WAT.
/disavowed.
Yeesh I wanna vote me.

In post 1319, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1305, clidd wrote:Actually, I would not rule out bad scum play on the part of a possible scum!DGB.

I don't think the frustration it showed a few pages ago would have lasted so far if the feeling was genuine.
Another one of those "DGB would have done this, DGB would have done that..."

I can't take it anymore.

VOTE: RLotus

This is anti-town, regardless of alignment.

In post 1327, clidd wrote:Alice gives me similar sensations to Hypo

It's probably a slot that scum doesn't want to touch yet.

Ngl if I was against this slot, the mislim potential is just beautiful. -.-;

In post 1328, Amélie wrote:Stuff

I like this. You have earned the town read.

In post 1332, VFP wrote:
In post 1328, Amélie wrote:How is it convenient to only have one townread?
I'm talking about your reads as a whole.
Every time you post your reads it looks to be safe or popular options.
At no point I never mention due to your town reads, but it interests me that both you and Clidd comment on that.

In post 1328, Amélie wrote:I don't think I ever hard scum read clidd.
Do you want to try again here?

In post 350, Amélie wrote:I think clidd is definitely scum here.

In post 352, Amélie wrote:I am now pretty certain the scum team is April Ludgate, Entrapta, and Clidd.

In post 1328, Amélie wrote:The way he has been playing this game is strange compared to where I last saw him but he's very noticeably trying to solve the game and thinking deeper than scum would here. If all of the analysis he has done comes from scum, I will be very shocked.
Let's not pretend that was my question. What made your read change on Clidd? Keeping in mind this happened before the reason you just gave.

*Announcer voice*

And in a surprise shadow strike from VFP hitting Amélie square in the face, they move up and her position on the leaderboards!

<skipping the meta chatty>

In post 1350, clidd wrote:From what I remember, Dann indirectly suggested that he had followed DGB to the player who was killed (although he later stated that he did not, as he is not a tracker), and DGB's reaction was to immediately claim that it had investigated the player dead to justify any possible tracking from DGB to the NK.

The point is that scum!DGB could have panicked for thinking that Dann had a guilty and invented the claim, but the timing in which it occurred was very early and without much thought on the possibility that Dann could be bluffing or not.

The question would be: Town!DGB would really be frustrated by the ''bad luck'' of investigating the NK for being suspicious of him and because of this action being a potential suspect as a tpr?

Eugh I need to go back again don't I...

ok nope not seeing any implication of a track. A >90% scum hit.

In post 1354, Solon wrote:
In post 1343, clidd wrote:One thought that came to my mind, btw, is the fact that Solon had an approximate period of 6 days of inactivity and received no prod.

I suppose that N_M could have just forgotten, but an interesting theory was if Solon was posting on some PT but not in the main chat and N_M was under the illusion that Solon was active and not needing a prod.
This is disgusting

VOTE: Clidd

@mod
can you confirm why I wasn’t prodded?

<insert DAAAAAAAAAAAMN scene from Friday here>
Sweet baby Magus you can go back to null for the sheer orbs on that one.

In post 1355, clidd wrote:

I said PT, but I didn't necessarily mention a scum PT. There are also private topics that any player can ask for, regardless of alignment.

But you unconsciously assumed that I was referring to the scum PT, which probably means that you don't have access to a PT if you are town.

So if the theory is correct, you're probably scum. Unless there is some other explanation that you are going to deliver now.

Meanwhile you can lose a point and go back into my leans.

In post 1358, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1356, clidd wrote:Alright, does anyone have any thoughts on DGB?

We have 2 days left.
I am the easiest person to yeet after all.

#LockedAndLoaded.

In post 1359, DrippingGoofball wrote:Post 1328, Amelie.From "He feels like" to "townread me."

That's the town tell. I still can't figure out how to select text on mobile.

Sadly having checked that out, I can't see it. This is annoyingly a potential associative.

Correction given later, I agree.

Spoiler: Mater Maria

In post 1375, Amélie wrote:I'm not sure if that is the hammer but quickly before I go to work, last words are that I think Dripping is probably town at this point. This is too suicidal. If that wasn't the hammer, we need to think a bit before doing anything. They are being very suicidal and I just think at this point, it comes from town.

If DrippingGoofball is scum and that was the hammer, I'm happy to call Dannflor scum for a hammer out of nowhere. Solon's vote is horrible but that was minimegabyte and she was a solid townread of mine. I don't like VFB but I could see them being scum and that's it. Back to the cop on me request please.

Go read me in D2 Silent Star 3. All I'm saying.

In post 1387, Gretchen wrote:lmao what am i even doing. calls a slot obvtown and votes them in the same post. but seriously, their play looks town but the guilty is a guilty so meh. also i don't care enough right now to make my own push

Eugh.

*Grabs The Hot'n'Spice Machine and lights her up*

Havent had to use my flamethrower for a while...

In post 1391, DrippingGoofball wrote:I just can't get townread no matter what I do.

But I accept i need to be yeeted because for some reason the scum NK'd the player i found most suspicious and no one thinks it's a good idea to figure out which players are happiest with the gamestate (hint, it's not me)

Honestly at this point your self-destruction is to the point where its anti-town af and you can't be allowed to continue in the game regardless of alignment. I hate it, because you can be a pretty epic player and I was town reading you prior to the full meltdown.

In post 1411, VFP wrote: Alice straight up isn't paying attention to the game. Basically wasting a vote, not trying to solve anything. Won't even give a solid read on amelie and yet avoids when we have a wagon there.

She paid enough looking at it.. ye gods have I got an uphill battle -.-; I regret reading her in context.

In post 1419, RLotus wrote:I hate it sososo much that defeatism like that gets town read on here, it is so gross. Such a free defense for scum to do

Shut down and do nothing and get town read for it, so absurd

Yup, except its over eggd the puddin.

In post 1424, DrippingGoofball wrote:Anyway Lotus

You sound like frustrated scum.

I mean, c'mon. Never mind one or two extra eggs this is a damn farm of them.

In post 1431, LlamaFluff wrote:Its been three years so lets do this...

Everyone needs to in their next post give a brief summary of the game so far and an explanation of their current vote. I dont want essays but enough for me to get a better idea of what happened in real time than reading 60 pages in a night which im doing now. Think one paragraph for each.

Unvote

There are 2 types of replacement....

In post 1438, LlamaFluff wrote:Also I want a few more detailed thoughts on each other from the following pairings which I am really interested in at around page 30

Geranitum-Clidd (Alice weigh in with thoughts on both)
Dann-VFP

Dunno if she ever did, but sure.
I have weak town reads on both the top duo.
Weak town lean on Dann, town reading VFP.

In post 1444, LlamaFluff wrote:And also just for a bit of a backstory on where I am coming from because I think most people here have no idea who I am: I spent 6-7 years as a List Mod (ran Large Theme for a bit and then moreso Open Queue), ran a Open Setup design contest, and worked as a primary reviewer for normal games. Just coming back to the site after about three years away. So thats why im so interested in how meta has shifted in that time as there are things that back when would throw up major flags that I need to see if still holds true.

You were best listmod, just sayin. Was sure I played one of your games but its not on my old wiki :/ I know we played together :3 Back in the days of 3 week day phases and walls a plenty...

In post 1467, RLotus wrote:
In post 1172, DrippingGoofball wrote:Add this to a long list of games where I fucked up a PR.

I'm
Night 1
Psychologist
and I investigated the NK'd player.

Dannflor is scum PR, put two and two together, bye, see you all in the dead thread.

VOTE: DGB
Oh I forgot to mention when I was explaining why DGB is scum to
solon
^VFP. DGB simultaneously concludes that they've been tracked to the NK and that Dann is a scum PR. DGB is all oh so unlucky I investigated the NK and Dann tracked me, but if they think Dann is scum PR why do they think they've been tracked? And why do they think that Dann needs to be a PR at all if he is just scum?

Where is the town thought process here?

Aand you hit 10C. Grats my read on you aint changing.

Spoiler: Lined up side by side and bound to pray

In post 1476, LlamaFluff wrote:Actually lets do this instead

Vote AliceK

Day one they do nothing in terms of scumhunting. There actually is an over two week span where they are on Entrapa (Dann) and actually never address any reasons or try and gather any other support. Just sits back and says little while others peruse things. Also seems to at most just chainsaw April slot quite a bit.

Day two they show heavy interest in getting a claimed PR ran up, and then moves off the claimed PR for... the player the claimed PR says to have somewhat cleared because that player has a town read on someone. We are on day two. We have multiple claimed PRs. Alice is voting someone, who one of the PRs is saying they have down as clear, because Alice doesnt think there is a reason to have that strong of a town read on the player. Its also just confusing because if you think Solon is lying and never cleared Lotus... the move is to vote Solon.

She has been hesitant to do anything the whole game, attacking a player for being too confident in a town read (which lets me honest, the confidence there doesnt even seem high) and has routinely either refused to or decided not to try and get any sort of a push together to try and move the game in a direction they wanted. This is what scum who is happy keeping a status quo in the game looks like. I feel ive added more to this game in one day than Alice has in one month. This needs to start being the wagon.

Yup, I'd 100% agree IF IT WASNT MY DAMN SLOT eugh.
Seriously I'm disavowing almost all her posts from today, and I'm going to disavow D1s posts as well because I aint reading D1 but I already got the naff vibes.

In post 1479, clidd wrote:I mean, she's a lhf in my view, but I really have no argument beyond that(and the "she looks like Hypo" thing) to sustain a tr on the slot. I'm just not voting her rn after seeing your points (which are good) to keep some momentum on Amélie's wagon, in case someone sympathizes with my read there.

I hate being critical on my own slot, but its not even LHF, its evasion. Shes left a lot of closed statements that dont leave anything for a follow up. Like I would genuinely be on the slot with a lot more pressure than you lot are doing -.-;

In post 1483, clidd wrote:What you described of "not being interested in finding scum" is a frequent scumtell of newbie!scum and considering that Alice is a newbie, I believe it is compatible with the scum!Alice theory of being concerned only with how she is visualized but not being able to emulate an investigative town reasoning process.

But, again, although it is logically plausible, it does not mean that it is necessarily the case. Alice could also be town acting apathetic and being interpreted as scum.

I'm not against the pressure on her, it is necessary, as you mentioned, but I'm not so comfortable to join the wagon yet.

My feel on her posts isn't newbscum, but stupidly freaking cautious and self-aware.

In post 1501, LlamaFluff wrote:Yall need to post more. Literally if you are town not posting at least once a day that is borderline playing against win condition. Yeah I work a 8-6ish office job (albeit remote for now), but if I *ever* stop posting for more than a day without giving warning, call me out on it. If there arent even enough players around to be able to get a vote pulled off after I got the deadline moved out, that is a massive issue.

@mod
- Can we get a vote count and prods?

This is probably actually NAI, given my own meta... but you can go in the townbin.

In post 1502, clidd wrote:Ok, I have many trs/tls. That's a problem.

Same... 6, 1, 6, 7, 4, 8, 10C, 9 and 5 are my scores for people atm.

In post 1514, LlamaFluff wrote:You ever heard of DGBs claimed role before? Again checking against if there is a recentcy bias in how setups are made.

Wiki date checks out, which was my goto on that one.

In post 1518, clidd wrote:Ok, so from where I stand, VFP and you (Llama) are two slots that reflect me as town due to the way you both have expressed your opinions about the game. I feel a real desire to investigate what is going on and collect information, which basically suggests that you two are starting from an uninformed perspective, that is, town. Dgb is among the set because I concluded, at least atm, that the sum of all its actions after the claim does not seem like a scum withdrawal/frustration but rather a town withdrawal/frustration. Although it's not weighing its opinions about the game in a detailed way, I'm convinced that its play doesn’t make much sense for scum!DGB to make, unless something drastically changes my perception of the slot.

In other words, I'm townreading Vfp based on his play only, without the influence of the predecessor.

Nope. I have seen exactly this level of AtE from a caught scum before in a mini theme attempting to deny and evade a mechanical guilty, and that was a stronger one than the one we have here, like it was 100% crumbed and followed up on.

In post 1525, clidd wrote:
@clidd - So you have DGB as solid town, and Dann who did some odd soft claim and then backed off it but still seems to be saying they have a role as more neutral? If you had to guess what is Dann role wise if he is scum?
Yep.

If I had to guess, in a scum!Dann scenario, I would say that he's some kind of scum tracker. He needed to know that DGB was on Biped.

Thing to me is if DGB does flip green, we need a look at Dann and his results from N2 (Cant remember claim details, dont think there were any?)

In post 1528, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1525, clidd wrote:
@clidd - So you have DGB as solid town, and Dann who did some odd soft claim and then backed off it but still seems to be saying they have a role as more neutral? If you had to guess what is Dann role wise if he is scum?
Yep.

If I had to guess, in a scum!Dann scenario, I would say that he's some kind of scum tracker. He needed to know that DGB was on Biped.
So why is he claiming to have not tracked DGB? Wouldnt he just hone in on that mislynch if he was scum, its not like he has any reason to back off it, especially with the DGB claim? He either gets viewed as obviously town with DGB dying and he gets no flack or he gets viewed as town and DGB lives. Thats a win-win.

I do keep going back and forth, but Dann-scum backing off the tracked claim (unless he is legitimately afraid of a different PR) just doesnt make sense because it would have been a blunder. Its also worth noting that if Dann is a town tracker, he absolutely should claim because that does massive damage to how breakable this game is. Tracker is a very underrated tool in creating cleared players.

I think im mostly just sheeping Lotus between which A goes today, because if he is scum its in such a narrow window that I think its a no lose situation.

I'm still not seeing a tracker claim from Dann? Ive triple checked and nope.

In post 1537, RLotus wrote:It's worth mentioning that gretchen and Dann seem coordinated in their votes today. Dann and grethcen were both on DGB. Then, gretchen said she can't see DGB's defeatism coming from scum and moved to Amelie which started the momentum there. Both came back to DGB around the same time as well.

Glad we're on the same page.

In post 1541, Not_Mafia wrote:
Amélie is being prodded. AliceK is being replaced.

Not saying I have regrets... but... I have MooMoo Milk

In post 1547, clidd wrote:The solution between Amélie and Alice is quite simple:

If Alice's replacement is towny> vote on Amélie.

If Alice's replacement is scummy> vote on Alice.

If Alice's replacement is neutral, however, we will debate the two slots again and evaluate together with Amélie's new posts to decide who will be voted.

I am genuinely amazed there isn't already more votes here.
Thankfully I make a strong catch up when I rep in.

Heeey Im in these quotes

I still got frikken yeeted in that game. Despite townspewing like an absolute beast.

In post 1566, Gretchen wrote:i'm so incredibly lazy this game, i don't deserve to be here

clidd, why do you still find Amelie maf? i've actually found d her recent thoughts towny and lacking an agenda

Nope, you should be voted and yeeted. Your vote is as stinky as the rest of your posts

In post 1576, Gretchen wrote:damn. vfp's putting in a lot of effort. ok. Alice solon and 1 of amelie or lotus then.

Rule of 3s states 1 of this list+VFP is scum

In post 1582, Gretchen wrote:i actually completely agree. vfp lacks SOUL, and feels like he's afraid to take any hard stances. maybe i'm dumb to label him probtown just bc he's putting effort in

The buddying is real.

In post 1589, VFP wrote:I will just add though, on a town flip here the scum team may just be amelie / Dann / Llama.
I think I'll go over this before end of day if it's still up (a day I feel un related game reasons won't have my back up anyway).

I think I've just realised what Llama is doing here if I'm right.

On a scum flip, that's dis regarded anyway.

But yes, Alice should be the flip today.

Ooo you lost a townpoint. Why should I be the flip over an AtE storming potential guilty?

In post 1596, Gretchen wrote:well now we wait for an alice replacement bc we need a claim i guess.

And I refuse to claim, this wagon on this slot *could* be justified, but the reasonings all stink. I've pulled more justification for my elimination than most of you have.

Spoiler: Sent to die and fight the final day

Ye gods I didn't realise how accurate these lyrics would be...

In post 1609, clidd wrote:
In post 1171, AliceK wrote:
In post 1158, Solon wrote:She strikes me as rigid scum

Her reads and views aren’t adapting, she still wants to push my elim because..????
I didn't reevaluate my reads that is true, but did you do something to change my mind?
That's a weird interaction.

Weird yes, but I like it. I am happy that post staying on this slot lol.

In post 1614, Amélie wrote:I'm caught up as of the last two pages. I am willing to vote out Alice today but I think we should wait for a claim. I prefer Gretchen over Alice today actually. Unless Gretchen claimed some pr somewhere, I think she should be the elimination today.

1) She always shows up during convenient times. What I mean by that is times where there are strong opposing counter wagons which are times where people's input and opinions are ten times more important than during any other time of the day.

2) Her scum read on me I absolutely hated. Vfp's scum read on me is being criticized but Gretchen's scum read on me had only repetition and no actual substance.

3) She's never been a plausible wagon despite her extremely scummy behavior.

4) Even if we excuse the RVS useless posts, most of Gretchen's iso is still all of that useless fluff even deep(somewhat) into the game.

No, me thinking Goofball is town does not reverse my scum read on you.

VOTE: Gretchen

I discredit lotus' townread on me because I don't think that is why I am town here. I can see town thinking that maybe but I personally do not agree with the analysis. Lotus is a paranoia scum read for me which means if my current scum reads are wrong, he is probably scum.

This smells slightly of TMI. Another lost townpoint.

In post 1617, VFP wrote:Why would someone take the Alice slot just to claim and then be eliminated?
VT - we lim
PR - we lim as Alice isn't a PR.

Nah we aint eliminating me. I'm not claiming. We've a mechanical guilty and a AtE storm that vanishes as soon as the pressures low. WHICH IS WEIRD.

In post 1629, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1625, geraintm wrote:
If Alice slips scum VFP gets ran up immediately.

what does this mean "slips scum"
*Flips. I tend to typo a lot as I constantly reword things in my head, and if autocorrect doesnt catch it I usually wont either. If anything I write sounds very disjointed, I didnt like how it sounded, got in my own head and then made it worse with revisions.

This is a whole mood.

Can tell the games stagnating as we're waiting for the replacments...

In post 1650, VFP wrote:Let's put it this way.

Amelie scum / Alice town indicates Llama comes off worse as scum
Amelie town / Alice town then me and Llama are probably scum together.

These are the only outcomes available. I'm currently back to a null on Amelie which is annoying as they were in townread territory at one point.
And honestly, I dont see either of you as scum currently.

In post 1661, Amélie wrote:What is a Psychologist and Detective? I haven't ever heard of roles like this. Also Clidd, why do you find that post scummy?
I don't think massclaim on day 2 is a good idea but if it's the best play, I'm willing to do it.
I'm starting to worry about a Clidd/VFP scum team now but I'll have to think on that since I currently don't have enough town reads.

Not like there hasnt been enough discussion on this already... eugh.

In post 1684, clidd wrote:I'll give 24 hours to the Alice slot. If no one appears, I'll vote.

Surprise, nerd!

I'm here.

Spoiler: Army of the Night, we came to stay

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1712 (isolation #7) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:18 pm

not only did I break it, DOBULE POST COMBO NERDS

Heya pooks.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1714 (isolation #8) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:19 pm

In post 1707, Gretchen wrote:i'm probably dead tonight so your time would be wasted trying to solve me flea. i thought your predecessor's reaction to a push was supremely maf

pooky, how do you read our dear amelie?

Oh? Which push was that one?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1716 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:26 pm

In post 1715, Gretchen wrote:she noped outta here when llama cased her. the case itself is alright too. i'll try and read through your catchup now...

LlamaFluffs case is in #1476 that I can see.
Post 1315 is Alice Kingsleys last appearence.

I consider that twisting of evidence, not the first time you've done that either.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1720 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:35 pm

Having looked at her posts, no I dont. She was massively disinterested, disengaged and honestly this slot should be long gone.

it aint.

And now you got my beautiful self, and I aint going nowhere without a fight.

1476 happened 3 days after 1315.
Prodding happened in 1432 and the inactivity replacement happened in 1531. 1315 is also Alices last post on this site, shes not posted anywhere since.

Nice reach, just ask next time though, I dont bite... much.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1721 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:35 pm

OMGUS is NAI in general, how its done is the important part.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1724 (isolation #12) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:49 pm

Correction, DGB claimed N1 ability to see if someone could kill. That would show a positive on vigilantes, SKs, scum, but not PGO or gunsmith.
Where a Psychologist cant detect if someone has killed, only if they have potential before they kill, a detective can see if someones killed.

Given you claimed first, its possible DGB threw that claim out there to buy credits.

What I hated about your claim is the timing, the feel and the reaction you had around your wagon. It felt panicked which is not a vibe I get from your slot. The vibe I get from your slot is one of calculation and awareness.

Your play has been absolutely horrible, honestly. And you should have been the N1 shot from any scum perspective as you're the big danger. Novice or not. DGB being N1 is spent, and the role gets weaker as the game progresses regardless where yours gets stronger.

You're right, you dont live tonight. That doesnt mean you're free of my PoE though, and DGB gets yeeted today no matter what IMO.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1725 (isolation #13) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:50 pm

What I do suspect, is DGB is smart enough a nerd to pull a complex group fakeclaim together, but this is going into tinfoil territory.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1727 (isolation #14) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:52 pm

No mention of crumbing in its ISO.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1730 (isolation #15) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:03 pm

I'm confident on you being maf.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1734 (isolation #16) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:33 pm

Why Amelie over DGB?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1735 (isolation #17) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:42 pm

Also sorry for sounding harsh, genuinely isnt my intent to be like that and as a play who lives in peoples scumblocs by default I genuinely can;t comment on peoples game capability.

You do have a vibe of knowing exactly what you;re doing though

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1740 (isolation #18) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:15 pm

In post 1736, clidd wrote:Flea, I can't read your posts carefully due to the limitations of the mobile atm (small screen), but I need a summarized explanation of why you think Dgb's giving up and selfvote comes from scum instead of town and if you know/already played with Dgb before to know if that kind of attitude would make sense to scum!him.

Most of my games in which a player gave up and appealed to the emotive with a self-vote the flip was town, so for me it's problematic to consider this element as scum indicative.

The TLDR is I've done it as softcaught scum and I've seen others do it as mech guilty caught scum.

DGB is more than capable of building a complex group claim for scum, you know that too, you were speccing Bears with Guns iirc?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1745 (isolation #19) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:48 pm

in Bears with Guns DGB sacrificed another of their team (who was a lurker slot) to gain RB Credentials and along with its remaining buddy managed a secure a pretty freaking good win. Iirc it even gave its buddy a viable claim to go with it. I dont see the Psychologist/Detective claims being out of range for it.

Something I've noticed its town AtE tends to be more apathetic and more nuanced, scum AtE is HERES MY EMOTIONS NOW SUFFER. To me, DGBs AtE lacks the nuance of town AtE.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1746 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:50 pm

Pooks given its your slot that returned the guilty, whats your thoughts on the situation?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1748 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:41 pm

In post 1745, Flea The Magician wrote:Something I've noticed
its
is
town AtE tends to be more apathetic and more nuanced, scum AtE is HERES MY EMOTIONS NOW SUFFER. To me, DGBs AtE lacks the nuance of town AtE.

Fixing this now I've noticed before it bites me in the ass. This is a general case and not a specific to DGB one.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1762 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:51 pm

Amélie wrote: AliceK - maybe scum. I'm not sure. She was really scummy but then got better halfway through

We have differing opinions, as I caught up I started SRing more, what in particular strikes you are "got better"?

In post 1753, Amélie wrote:I don't think this day needs to go on any longer and I will now hammer any wagon that reaches E-1.

We got 3 replace ins who need to settle into the game, this feels anti-town to me.

In post 1760, VFP wrote:I'd still lim Flea over DGB here. The push feels out of place and more opportunist.

Honestly, if you'd said anything else, I wouldve been gaining suspicions on you. I fully understand that this can look opportunistic, however, that level of AtE cannot be allowed to live against a >90% potential mech guilty. Tracking came exclusively from DGB. DGBs activity pattern can be stormmapped its reacted that badly and inverse to pressure.

Flea The Magician · Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:08 pm

In post 1198, Dannflor wrote:the thing is... I didn't track DGB

so it's weird it assumes I did

First mention or implication of a tracker, at all.

Flea The Magician · Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:09 pm

You are literally going to have to point out where Dann has even remotely hinted at a track specifically, because I'm not seeing it at all in the ISO.

Flea The Magician · Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:15 pm

There was something I aimed at you, lemme go find it. Its in the wall o doom somewhere.

Flea The Magician · Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:16 pm

In post 1710, Flea The Magician wrote:Gerain you have massively different energy here to my last rep in. You were more passive then and you seem more engaged here... I'm TRing you at 7/10 but I'm sus af about it.

Never mind, literally aimed but not requiring response.

Flea The Magician · Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:37 am

In post 1770, VFP wrote:
In post 1765, Flea The Magician wrote:You are literally going to have to point out where Dann has even remotely hinted at a track specifically, because I'm not seeing it at all in the ISO.
From my perspective it was implied with DGB's response and the 90% comment from Dann.
I originally actually thought Watcher over Tracker until tracker makes more sense there from ISO.
If someone is claiming a 90% on a player who did visit the target, what investigation roles are going to standardly be here?
Notice how DGB doesn't see it as a guilty / not guilty kind if role with Dann? That suggests a mind set of DGB believing Dann does not know its role or alignment. And shows no worry to if Dann did.

>90% guilty can come from a lot of places, Millers, cop sanities and variants, asectics and redirects can make up that 10% of doubt, loyal/disloyal and all sorts of other modifiers can affect that.

DGB was the one who said tracked. Dann near immediately said it wasnt a track. People have latched on to this tracking massively and I do not like it. Dann/Pooks hasnt claimed fully and I know Pooky will have no intention to.

DGBs reaction screams of "oh nuts I got caught" and the AtE after that reinforces that. AtE is tricky thing to navigate. Pooks can tell you that. (Sorry to keep draggin you back to that pooks, I still hate that I did it, but its a damn good point of reference)

With AtE you need to actually read into it, you need to see the motivations, you need to see the why and how its being used, and as it goes on, you need to see the nuances in it. Emotion isnt a solid block of *thing* - and yes this is coming from someone with a major emotional personality disorder where emotions tend to be literally all or nothing.

DGBs AtE lacks the nuance, I'd expect it to show sustained yet variable emotional intensity. Reacting more to things or disconnecting completely. Instead we have a DGB who can be pressure mapped.

As pressure went up, DGB was present and actively behaving in an anti-town manner. As soon as the pressure started dying off, dafuq did it go? Appears once or twice to drop a wagoning vote and then self-yeets again the moment the pressure is back up.

What people are looking at is 90% with a conditional,

there is no conditional

. Dann has only said >90% guilty, and has accommodated for potential misleads in there.

Flea The Magician · Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:44 am

Spoiler: Relevant posts of dans

ISO Link for the lazy to see where I'm looking.

In post 1091, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: DGB

In post 1111, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: dgb
VOTE: dgb
VOTE: dgb
VOTE: dgb

In post 1114, Dannflor wrote:geraintm I understand you think my vote looks bad

but what do you think that says about my alignment, would you still say it's bad if hypo had flipped red

i am going to need more than this from you

In post 1135, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1133, RLotus wrote:
In post 1121, Dannflor wrote:why is it town?
Idk what they are, but I'm asking what gives you confidence the DGB is scum?
I’ll explain eventually but I want more people in this game to put down votes first

In post 1175, Dannflor wrote:nah jk kill dgb VOTE: DGB

I shouldn't have to reveal why I'm voting it at this point

In post 1178, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1177, VFP wrote:@Dann I don't really care for you going into detail on roles or claims other than is this 100% accurate scum caught or no?
I'd say very rarely is anything 100%, even cop guilties run into the possibility of millers.

However, I'd say this is greater than 90% and DGB's reaction does not decrease that at all.

In post 1191, Dannflor wrote:btw don't think DGB's role can exist with mine, gretchen's, and whatever Solon has and have it be balanced

In post 1198, Dannflor wrote:the thing is... I didn't track DGB

so it's weird it assumes I did

In post 1241, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1238, RLotus wrote:Dannflor I really want to know why you had so much confidence in DGB being scum if you aren't tracker, that is very fishy to me.
lol you're not gonna get me to claim

I came out of the day pushing DGB largely as a reaction test. The reaction I got seemed awful initially, but I've been reconsidering. When mafia NKs me you'll be able to see the info I got and conclude for yourselves whether DGB is scum.

Frankly, I thought it was suspicious that DGB was giving an explanation for why it visited the NK preemptively. But now I don't really think DGB!scum does that without knowing for sure it was tracked to the night kill

There is NO CLAIM AT ALL ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE GUILTY.

Flea The Magician · Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:52 am

Spoiler: Meanwhile in the Land of Goofball

There is scum in Dann and DGB, without a doubt in my mind. So much information has been filled in for Dann its amazing and should DGB flip green, well Pooks is going to be on fire tomorrow.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1783 (isolation #30) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:06 am

Honestly, aint that familiar with the boundaries in normals, I like my chaos. I'll rep into one when I'm gettin under gamed.

What I do know, DGB can drop a mean claim. DGB has enough knowledge and capablity to drop a beast of a fakeclaim like a N1 Psych because it means they dont have to do naff all for the rest of the game.

Detectives start weak, get stronger.
Psychs start strong, get weaker. Why limit a role that loses power almost completely by N3?

Of the claims I've seen, what is that the only one with a night limit?

Dann also claimed that the roles that are claimed cant all exist in the same game from a balance perspective.

Mechanical Guilty, oddly balanced role mech claim, orbs out AtE. That cannot be scum in my eyes.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1784 (isolation #31) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:10 am

Mech Guilty with >90% even.

If DBG flips green, then tomorrow Pooks is gettin torched.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1786 (isolation #32) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:28 am

Not a chance, honestly. but if you're alive tomorrow a claim is gunna be needed.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1800 (isolation #33) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:53 am

In post 1792, DrippingGoofball wrote:I thought I did but didn't.

I wish I'd been NK'd, of course I wasn't because I'm yeetbait.

This is going to be yet another stupid annoying day for me and I just want to see Flea's arrogance about knowing how my mind works deflate spectacularly.

This vote is protown and in furtherance of my wincon.

VOTE: DGB

Just kill me now.

My investigating Biped was the mistake that will cost the town the game and it's on me.

You are a freaking scary player DGB, thats the thing - and as either alignment. We both know I wont deflate, because we'll just say, as we have been doing, mechanics say its gotta be done. It's shitty but yeah, its gotta happen.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1801 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:54 am

In post 1794, clidd wrote:I will probably adopt an elimination policy on any slot that makes a self-vote + AtE. It's an unethical conduct and difficult to assess in AI terms.

Even if its not scum, its Anti-town.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1802 (isolation #35) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:57 am

DGB as town you know your best action right now is to give as detailed reads as you can so we have something to work with tomorrow, no matter what I'm firmly in the spotlight no matter what you flip. Red flip near confs me through interaction, green flip means I'm on the block tomorrow.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1803 (isolation #36) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:20 am

In post 1798, VFP wrote:I agree with Clidd here.
This refers back to my 1411 where at this stage if the focus can't divert from the AtE response alone, the game isn't going to progress.

Flea talk to me outside of DGB as a whole.
Point me to your catch up post as needed as admitted I haven't read it yet.
Can you check amelie's iso and check the read lists with the surrounding opinions on those reads? Do the swaps in reads make sense or at least have reasons?
Do they seem convenient to the general game narrative?
If DGB Flips scum, who's next? I think at this point we can just agree and throw out Pooky and DGB as ever being a scum pairing.

Regardless of DGB flipping, Gretchen is my next target. Specifically because of her actions around Amélie.

I was overall townreading Amélie for a while but then the read started dropping.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1809 (isolation #37) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:26 am

So with Amélie I was townreading her at one point in my catch up, only for her to slide massively back towards null.

Amélie needs to step up and contribute, honestly. I think between her and Gretchen theres another scum currently and I'm leaning more towards Gretchen currently. 38 posts ain't impressive in a 2 day 70 odd page game. Less than 0.02% of the posts? You aint even paying lets face it.

This is my post 38, ironically. Less than 24 hours... Lets have a look at progressions, aint my favourite hunting method but why not, theres one in Amélie and Gretchen imo.

Why do people like making a show of null reads? I'll never understand this.

Reads seem consistent to me, looking in ISO and tracking them. Theyre also justified mostly when they're changing.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1810 (isolation #38) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:28 am

In post 1806, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1802, Flea The Magician wrote:DGB as town you know your best action right now is to give as detailed reads as you can so we have something to work with tomorrow, no matter what I'm firmly in the spotlight no matter what you flip. Red flip near confs me through interaction, green flip means I'm on the block tomorrow.
My reads have been absolute trash.

It's also hard to have reads when I'm constantly in the boiling cauldron.

Enjoy being on the block tomorrow. I regret unvoting you and giving your scummy slot a chance.

Honestly, I'm amazed this slot is still here. This slot has been so far off the game its damn questionable. Part of why I'm making a big presence here, tryin to drown out my predessor.

Flea The Magician · Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:39 am

In post 1811, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1783, Flea The Magician wrote:Detectives start weak, get stronger.
Psychs start strong, get weaker. Why limit a role that loses power almost completely by N3?
Sort of? It depends on what scum is doing. If the same player constantly submits kills it actually doesnt ever change.

Of the claims I've seen, what is that the only one with a night limit?
Every single role that has claimed/flipped as a night limitation in some way

Dann also claimed that the roles that are claimed cant all exist in the same game from a balance perspective.
So did Solon... you are comfortable calling it without seeing everyone's cards?

In post 1784, Flea The Magician wrote:Mech Guilty with >90% even.

If DBG flips green, then tomorrow Pooks is gettin torched.
You also say Gretchen is scum pretty much regardless of DGB flip... so why are you on DGB? If Gretchen is always scum in your book that is. Also minus contradictory information on Dann/Solon claims Gretchen is 100% town to me.

Gut is saying I was actually right and Alice was scum here. I *really* hate how many people seem to be hedging their bets saying that the DGB wagons is the fault of DGB given how they have been asking. Seems a pretty safe way to approach it as scum if DGB was town because its not their fault. Dann claimed some role thing and DGB freaked out, had to be done, not my fault. Almost the entire wagon has a "well I guess so..." mentality, being the only one clearly against it is just throwing up all the red flags.

@DGB - Lets say you were awarded a venge kill. Who are you taking with you?

1st point stands, 2nd I'd have to look back over, odd/even/novice isn't the same area as whats essentially a reflavoured one-shot.
I'm comfortable enough in eliminating DGB gives us a good amount of information, I'm pretty sure thats a red flip. Even if by some chance it flips green, we lose at worse a named townie.

DGB is the best from a mechanical sense right now, the constant AtE is there and predictable. Moment that fire was fanned, boom DGB is back and flails.

Reasons I'm there, is mechanical backed up by scumscreaming after. There is no "i guess so" here.

Also you want AtE?
Screw trying to high effort games, I get scumread regardless. Your regularly prescribed chaos will resume shortly.

Flea The Magician · Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:21 am

In post 1816, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: Flea

You snooze, you lose. You should have seized the opportunity.

Now I made it harder for you scum.

Jokes on you, I ENJOY THE CHALLENGE MWAHAHAHAHAHAH

Flea The Magician · Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:24 am

In post 1817, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1813, Flea The Magician wrote:DGB is the best from a mechanical sense right now, the constant AtE is there and predictable. Moment that fire was fanned, boom DGB is back and flails.

Reasons I'm there, is mechanical backed up by scumscreaming after. There is no "i guess so" here.

Also you want AtE?
Screw trying to high effort games, I get scumread regardless. Your regularly prescribed chaos will resume shortly.
The push for DGB just feels very wrong to me. It seems like there is a portion of the game who are trying to prep for a town flip and that is what is bugging me. If I stop and think how I would be trying to approach this if I was scum, I would be doing what a lot of other people are doing. Its a mix of "Well Dann said..." and "DGB isnt helping themselves" that ultimately more leads into a "you cant call me scum for being on a town PR wagon". DGB isnt the worst vote today, but almost all of my warning flags are going off here. It would pretty much take deadline to get me over there.

I get that, but, again as someone who can AtE like an absolute beast I know what power it can have done right, DGBs is some damn good AtE, but it lacks the nuance and the raw emotional energy. It feels fake.

I know you're not reading my slot well, hell in my catchup I don't even read my slot well and I'd vote for me, but I can't. Outside of me and Goofball, where you at Kouvu?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1826 (isolation #42) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:15 pm

DGB is repeatedly bailing and returning. All I'm saying. AtE threats and no follow up. Now theres an ally, hey look the AtE stopped.

You. do. not. act. like. this. from. a. bad. guilty.

This everything being yeeted out of the pram, the moment theres threat, it all goes tits up, the moment there any hope at all of being saved, hey look DGB pulls itself together.

Unless you can 100% tell me that AtE has not effected you, DGB cannot be allowed to continue. I am happy locking in on me or it.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1828 (isolation #43) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:30 pm

In post 1826, Flea The Magician wrote:Unless you can 100% tell me that AtE has not effected you, DGB cannot be allowed to continue. I am happy locking in on me or it.

Reminder that this is considering I would yeet me based on what I've seen of my former.

Flea The Magician · Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:41 pm

In post 1830, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1826, Flea The Magician wrote:DGB is repeatedly bailing and returning. All I'm saying. AtE threats and no follow up. Now theres an ally, hey look the AtE stopped.

You. do. not. act. like. this. from. a. bad. guilty.

This everything being yeeted out of the pram, the moment theres threat, it all goes tits up, the moment there any hope at all of being saved, hey look DGB pulls itself together.

Unless you can 100% tell me that AtE has not effected you, DGB cannot be allowed to continue. I am happy locking in on me or it.
You don't know diddly squat.

You came in the game smelling my blood in the water and went in for the easiest yeet so you can get to night quickly and slay townies.

In post 1831, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1826, Flea The Magician wrote:DGB is repeatedly bailing and returning.
You really hate this part, scum.

OK Lets entertain the notion I am scum...

ON WHAT PLANET IS MY OPTIMAL PLAY TO YEET YOU AND SHOVE THIS HARD?! You are by no means an easy yeet, an easy yeet is Amélie. (Low content, overall negative view)

I came into this game with a clear mind, no bias. I read from D2, I haven't read D1 besides a claim. You have a guilty of some kind on you AND YOU STARTED FLAILING LIKE A MAGIKARP.

Come back at me all you want, you know I'm just going to find it funny DGB.

Do you really think I'm that level of newbscum? Multiple people fear my scumgame jsyk and ngl I find that absolutely hilarious.

On top of that, my slot is scummy af before I turned up to the point I would look at yeeting AliceK because I dunno what Miss Kingsley has been on, but it aint her towngame. Again, as scum, my optimal play here is drop in, and keep my head down and roll with it.

LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1826, Flea The Magician wrote:DGB is repeatedly bailing and returning. All I'm saying. AtE threats and no follow up. Now theres an ally, hey look the AtE stopped.

You. do. not. act. like. this. from. a. bad. guilty.

This everything being yeeted out of the pram, the moment theres threat, it all goes tits up, the moment there any hope at all of being saved, hey look DGB pulls itself together.

Unless you can 100% tell me that AtE has not effected you, DGB cannot be allowed to continue. I am happy locking in on me or it.
Lets just say that both of you earn immunity... who is your next pick?

You first, and I've answered that once or twice now anyway.

I know you're not reading my slot well, hell in my catchup I don't even read my slot well and I'd vote for me, but I can't. Outside of me and Goofball, where you at Kouvu?p/quote]

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1838 (isolation #45) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:06 am

In post 1836, DrippingGoofball wrote:LOL

How on earth am I not the easiest, self-voting, obvious mechanical-reasons yeet?

Mechanics is

too

easy.

Looking at this as though I was scum, you are an obvious yeet, theres been pressure on you all damn day, theres a positive on you with a dead body which you have implied tracker so you know you got saw...

AtE whirlwind aside, you have a LOT of support.

WIFOM:

Coming in as scum I would not want to touch your slot with a barge pole, you're a named townie with a implied mech guilty on you and a lot of town support, why the fuck would I touch you when you're ELO bait. A slot like Amélie is a much better target due to lack of contribution and no claim on there. Even Gretchen is a better push than you and that's a claimed half decent PR.

Now if you lot are thinkin I'm such a bad player that I would happily just drop on the "obvious target", then I got news for you.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1839 (isolation #46) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:06 am

In post 1837, Amélie wrote:Alright. I'm here with about half an hour to spare and I'll tell you, Flea the Magician, why Goofball is town.

Make it good, because I aint voting anywhere else.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1849 (isolation #47) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:48 am

Inline responses given.

In post 1840, Amélie wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1358, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1356, clidd wrote:Alright, does anyone have any thoughts on DGB?

We have 2 days left.
I am the easiest person to yeet after all.
The more someone says this, the more likely they are to be eliminated but Goofball has said things similar to this in nearly every one of their posts.

The number of times you say something doesnt change the odds of something happening. It is being defeatist

In post 1359, DrippingGoofball wrote:Post 1328, Amelie.From "He feels like" to "townread me."

That's the town tell. I still can't figure out how to select text on mobile.
Unless people believe the scum team is Amelie/Goofball, why would Goofball ever townread the largest opposing wagon here as scum?

Towncred and WIFOM.

In post 1366, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1360, clidd wrote:DGB, who is scum in your view?
Probably my town reads.
If Goofball was scum, their way out of this situation is town reads and getting help from them. Why would goofball shade all of them like this?

Because it shows defeatism and creates AtE. This is "I give up, my reads are naff." At this point I ask you why DGB should live when it confesses its reads are bad and is using oppotunity escapes?

In post 1369, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1367, clidd wrote:the easier it will be to say whether you are town or scum.
The townier I sound, the more people suspect me for sounding too townie.
I understand what Goofball means but saying things like this really doesn't convince people. It is what you think is obvious but others never see. This is desperate town trying to get someone to
understand

I actually relate to this with Goofball, Im LHF in almost every single game I play because I'm just that shitty a player. (oh look AtE)

In post 1370, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1368, Dannflor wrote:Is this true? I kind of feel like you should have been wagoned a lot harder based on your reaction to my "guilty" and yet
That's not my problem. I'm already self voting to make my yeet easier. I'm doing my part.
They believe advocating for their elim is the correct thing to do. Sometimes the things people think are so wrong that they are simply town.

Then why the resistance now? It's fighting tooth and nail, while remaining defeatist. Why fight what I've said so hard if it agrees?

In post 1371, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1368, Dannflor wrote:I would imagine scum might be playing it safe towards your slot and not outright pushing it
Who the hell even knows? Scum would certainly get away with yeeting a self-destructing player slot, no one would even say a thing about it the next day. Whoever hammers me is probably going to be hailed as a hero.
Goofball is upset here but notice how they aren't AtE'ing. They aren't. If Goofball were to AtE, they would start saying things like "I have tried so hard in this game and my last game I died instantly"
Btu what does goofball say?
Goofball says "Come hammer me"

This is AtE. This is "oh woe is me". This is invoking emotion by making you feel sorry for it. Again, I am an AtE beast when I want to be, I know exactly what DGB is doing here.

In post 1374, DrippingGoofball wrote:I was yeeted for being too good to be true in one game and for having strong scum reads (wrong as they may have been) in another, and then I get town read for doing fuck all beyond sucking all the joy out of the game.
Although this does get to meta and how they did in a past game, they haven't directly said they have tried hard in this game which I believe is definitely a point that would be brought up if they were intentionally AtEing

Sorry rewind, if DGBs dropping AtE would be expected to be like "I have tried so hard in this game and my last game I died instantly",
THEN WHAT IS THIS?
"I tried so hard and got strong reads but got yeeted"

In post 1379, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1377, clidd wrote:So.. Kind of waiting to see what the others (who didn't talk yet) think about dgb.
It shouldn't be complicated, if I were scum I'd vote you, I'd have 2 votes and you'd have 4.

But the way things are lately it'll probably be viewed as a galaxy brain scum plot.
It's this logic again. It makes sense but at the same times there's holes in their logic but you can tell. They believe it.

This is WIFOM. This is "But scum me would do X and I'm not doing it!".

In post 1391, DrippingGoofball wrote:I just can't get townread no matter what I do.

But I accept i need to be yeeted because for some reason the scum NK'd the player i found most suspicious and no one thinks it's a good idea to figure out which players are happiest with the gamestate (hint, it's not me)
This is genuine frustration I guarantee. I can feel it one screen away.

Yeah it frustrating, I get that. Caught at the crime scene means you're suspect #1. No matter DGBs flip at this point we get a LOT of information. Theres something else here too.... once again DGB admits the mechanical best move is its elimination.

In post 1392, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1390, clidd wrote:The only reason I didn't find his play towny is because I was scammed before by scum with the cheap talk of
"I'm bad, just vote me, look I'm selfvoting, I don't want to share any reads bc my reads are bad and won't help"
and etc.
I find this so scummy, clidd must be town.
I'm going to stop here for now. I may finish off these remaining quotes later but my point has already been brought across. Goofball's posts are genuine frustration and they haven't cared about their own survival for a very long time. This is not scum. Reevaluate this slot any townies that are scum reading.

2STBS is BS, for one thing. The frustration is genuine, yeah. but its NAI. Not caring about their survival but yet still waving their vote around and is now actively pushing against elimination because hey theres now a slot that isn't falling for it.

Snipped posts without comment

Goofball has done a couple things this game.
They have OMGUS'ed an insane amount.
NAI

They have voted nearly everyone.
NAI

They have made it their job to make every single person their enemy.
Yet look at all the allies

They have tried to drill it into everyone's mind that they are the elim.
Look at the amount of resistance its putting up to my push.

They have been legitimately upset.
NAI, So would I if caught like that.

They have used all sorts of wacky logic and truly believed in them.
You said yourself theres holes. Scum is more likely to use logic because they don't have to lie and twist things.

There is nothing in this world that screams town more than a player who does not care a single bit about getting eliminated in a game as dead as this one where scum can easily control the game state.

Think about that a moment, and why it makes a scum tactic.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1850 (isolation #48) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:49 am

In post 1841, Amélie wrote:Goofball
believes
in what they say. That is the key to why they are town.

I can believe in what I say as any alignment, and I do.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1852 (isolation #49) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:53 am

In post 1850, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1841, Amélie wrote:Goofball
believes
in what they say. That is the key to why they are town.
I can believe in what I say as any alignment, and I do.

In fact lets use this, because I like this. Do I seem like I believe what I'm saying?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1853 (isolation #50) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:59 am

In post 1762, Flea The Magician wrote:
Amélie wrote: AliceK - maybe scum. I'm not sure. She was really scummy but then got better halfway through
We have differing opinions, as I caught up I started SRing more, what in particular strikes you are "got better"?

Also you never answered this.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1861 (isolation #51) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:43 am

OK DGB, if we go for me today, what happens tomorrow when I flip green?

Other than me sipping my moomoo milk in the dead thread laughing

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1876 (isolation #52) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:30 am

In post 1650, VFP wrote:Let's put it this way.

Amelie scum / Flea town indicates Llama comes off worse as scum

Amelie town / Flea scum indicates I come off worse as scum
Amelie scum / Flea scum indicates both town.

Amelie town / Flea town then me and Llama are probably scum together.

Whats your thoughts on this at the moment, VFP?

Flea The Magician · Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:17 pm

In post 1877, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1861, Flea The Magician wrote:OK DGB, if we go for me today, what happens tomorrow when I flip green?

Other than me sipping my moomoo milk in the dead thread laughing
We will cheer because you're flipping red.

Your emotions are fake and insincere. Town!you would behave completely different.

My emotions are fucked on several levels, its what makes mafia fun for me

#NeurodivergantSquad

You didnt answer the question thought DGB. Im still entertaining ~5% of you flipping green. You're 100% on me being red, and youre wrong.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1891 (isolation #54) » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:57 pm

In post 1879, VFP wrote:If you want survival Flea (at least from my vote), voting amelie is something I am obviously happy to join in.

I have no interest in survival, I have interest in taking out the rotten apples.

Flea The Magician · Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:38 pm

In post 1892, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1891, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1879, VFP wrote:If you want survival Flea (at least from my vote), voting amelie is something I am obviously happy to join in.
I have no interest in survival, I have interest in taking out the rotten apples.
Its also your move.

New wagon. Go go go or say why not.

because VFP is starting to look opportunistic, there's no reason we don't flip a mech on D2, and I'm townreading geraintm. Unless we fully plan to leash our PRs and guide the scum to the right slot, we just don't let a guilty slide with the PR catching not fullclaiming.

Unless you can show me where this level of AtE/Defeatism is in DGBs townrange, I have <1% interest in any other elimination today.

Flea The Magician · Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:39 pm

Loving the counterwagon efforts btw.

Flea The Magician · Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:02 am

I *could* entertain a Gretchen elimination, its unlikely though.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1902 (isolation #58) » Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:18 am

In post 1899, VFP wrote:
@Flea
- Is a no lim better than a geraintm lim?

Loaded much. We are in odd numbers, we need an elimination.
Hands can be forced.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1910 (isolation #59) » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:22 am

In post 1903, VFP wrote:I just felt you wouldn't want to lim outside of DGB / Gretchen.

I dont, I don't see how the two are exclusive though

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1912 (isolation #60) » Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:50 am

I am willing to hammer to prevent a nolim, always.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1914 (isolation #61) » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:02 am

In post 1913, geraintm wrote:Weekend.
Catching up and that was unexpected. Well not too much I guess as I always seem to face a "geraint is useless" wagon at some point.
I'm not sure what i can say to push people off me now, as it feels like the older players who couldn't get a wagon over the line combined with some new blood have decided I'm the elimination for today.
There won't be a claim coming from me if anyone is expecting one, I dont have anything.
What do people expect me to do now, fake a bunch of reads to appear more active?

Probably, annoys the hell outta me because you're town imo.

Flea The Magician · Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:06 pm

In post 1924, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1918, LlamaFluff wrote:Ugh I hate all of this. I think DGB and Gera are town now (the amount I hate how much VPF/Clidd are both on Gera is high)... but I think this becomes a more correct move

Vote DGB

If this is scum I think we are in good shape. If this is town I still think there is a ton of information to come from it.
lol this vote flop after gera gets close is shady af

Only this one? Theres a few of these.

In post 1932, Amélie wrote:I'm fine with basically any wagon at this point. Anything to get the day over with except goofball because I think goofball is definitely town. I will no elim over elimming goofball.

Coming from someone who has and will self-hammer to secure a lim.
This is anti-town.

Llama gains scumpoints for the counterwagon attempts. Gerain flips green, A50 or me gets shot tonight.

I have a timer set for 10 mins before end of play, and will hammer then.

Flea The Magician · Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:06 pm

In post 1940, Flea The Magician wrote:Coming from someone who has and will self-hammer to secure a lim.
This is anti-town.

[Referenceing me]

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1945 (isolation #64) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:56 am

In post 1942, DrippingGoofball wrote:Gera is soooo town, can't we yeet A50?

In post 1943, DrippingGoofball wrote:Flea pls vote A50.

The problem here, is you're asking someone you're so damn keen on yeeting... to yeet someone who has greenlit another slot.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1953 (isolation #65) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:13 am

Oh I'm here and watching, I have CPRed tonight but that wraps up around 11, leaving me an hour before deadline.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1971 (isolation #66) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:07 am

In post 1968, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:how is dgb still alive lol

ftfy.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1973 (isolation #67) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:09 am

In post 1956, clidd wrote:Dgb vs Flea will hopefully solve itself tonight, so I have no interest in taking sides in the discussion.

And if it doesnt?

Take a side. Not optional.

In post 1958, Gretchen wrote:Almost50 is posting everywhere but here. let's death him.

Yes lets lim the PR that greenlit a slot.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1975 (isolation #68) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:10 am

You know something, this is going to be the most anti-town thing I ever do.

My vote is not moving. You want me on a lim, you lim DGB.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1977 (isolation #69) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:12 am

I will 1vs1 this, my hammer offer is retracted.

A50 IS NOT A GOOD ELIMINATION.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1978 (isolation #70) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:12 am

In post 1976, VFP wrote:Bluff.

Try me and find out.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1979 (isolation #71) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:17 am

In post 1958, Gretchen wrote:Almost50 is posting everywhere but here. let's death him.

Side note, people who use this as a tell have a special place in scummyhell.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1986 (isolation #72) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:26 am

Clear of hammer.

Now watch as DGB hammers to save its sorry caught self.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1993 (isolation #73) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:42 am

In post 1990, Gretchen wrote:this logic of

OMG Solon claimed TPR!!! we can't kill that, no way

is so so stupid

all it means is that we're killing a maf PR if we kill Almost50

do you understand how incriminating it is that he's posting in everything but this?

You realise you're my lowest read after DGB, right? I've caught you twisting timelines so often you're the compromise I will hammer.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #1995 (isolation #74) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:43 am

In post 1992, Gretchen wrote:he replaced out bc he burnt out which is scummy

Strike 2 of bullshit meta tells.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2000 (isolation #75) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:44 am

In post 1994, Gretchen wrote:how is that even relevant flea. wanna actually address the logic instead of randomly attacking mr?

Your logic is not logic, and you blank when challenged on it. I've challenged you on it twice now, and you vanished.

Given i know you wont go back and look, give me a moment. I'll be nice and find it for you.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2003 (isolation #76) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:50 am

In post 1724, Flea The Magician wrote:Correction, DGB claimed N1 ability to see if someone could kill. That would show a positive on vigilantes, SKs, scum, but not PGO or gunsmith.
Where a Psychologist cant detect if someone has killed, only if they have potential before they kill, a detective can see if someones killed.

Given you claimed first, its possible DGB threw that claim out there to buy credits.

What I hated about your claim is the timing, the feel and the reaction you had around your wagon. It felt panicked which is not a vibe I get from your slot. The vibe I get from your slot is one of calculation and awareness.

Your play has been absolutely horrible, honestly. And you should have been the N1 shot from any scum perspective as you're the big danger. Novice or not. DGB being N1 is spent, and the role gets weaker as the game progresses regardless where yours gets stronger.

You're right, you dont live tonight. That doesnt mean you're free of my PoE though, and DGB gets yeeted today no matter what IMO.

In post 1715, Gretchen wrote:she noped outta here when llama cased her. the case itself is alright too. i'll try and read through your catchup now...

In post 1716, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1715, Gretchen wrote:she noped outta here when llama cased her. the case itself is alright too. i'll try and read through your catchup now...
LlamaFluffs case is in #1476 that I can see.
Post 1315 is Alice Kingsleys last appearence.

I consider that twisting of evidence, not the first time you've done that either.

In post 1717, Gretchen wrote:you don't think her disappearance was effected by coming back and seeing that case and deciding not to post? it likely was, regardless of her alignment

In post 1720, Flea The Magician wrote:Having looked at her posts, no I dont. She was massively disinterested, disengaged and honestly this slot should be long gone.

it aint.

And now you got my beautiful self, and I aint going nowhere without a fight.

1476 happened 3 days after 1315.
Prodding happened in 1432 and the inactivity replacement happened in 1531. 1315 is also Alices last post on this site, shes not posted anywhere since.

Nice reach, just ask next time though, I dont bite... much.

And this isnt the first time you've pulled this in this game.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2004 (isolation #77) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:53 am

Oh and Mafia, good luck tonight. You all know I'm on you like a hound.
And you have 2 PRs to take aim at.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2010 (isolation #78) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:15 am

In post 2009, VFP wrote:DGB E1
geraintm E3

Looks like you have the hammer, question is, will you?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2012 (isolation #79) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:39 am

Aww you ruined it for me Llama.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2014 (isolation #80) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:49 am

hey it might just and bit their pinky toe, but you stub that toe and you enter all 9 levels of hell at once. Just sayin.

Flea The Magician · Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:01 am

depends entirely on how they're set.
My question still stands though. By my reckoning we're less than 2 hours. You can hammer whenever.

For every second that passes while I know you're watching, the more my suspicions grow.
Declare your intent either way, or perform the deed.

Flea The Magician · Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:02 am

In post 2001, Not_Mafia wrote:Deadline is 0 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

Eugh day light savings kicked in didn't it...

Flea The Magician · Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:30 am

In post 2031, DrippingGoofball wrote:Fkea is playing a great scum game, took full control of the game state and no one resisted.

Dunno what game youre playing but ye gods I've been resisted by every single player pretty much.

Flea The Magician · Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:32 am

In post 2022, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am town, good luck. See you in the dead thread.

Flea is wrong about everything, DO NOT LET FAE LEAD YOU.

Good insight btw. Saying I'm wrong about you and gretchen.

Flea The Magician · Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:32 am

In post 2035, VFP wrote:If we wait long enough, I think A50 just hammers DGB here.

Your resistance is noted.

Flea The Magician · Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:22 am

In post 2041, DrippingGoofball wrote:Anyway

GG Flea, you are doing a great job leading your scumteam to victory.

Do us a favour DGB, hammer yourself. <3 see you in the post game.

Flea The Magician · Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:23 am

In post 2040, DrippingGoofball wrote:Even Flea knows I'm scum.

ftfy.

Flea The Magician · Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:11 pm

Well nuts. Thats me screwed.

That said, our investigatives should have some info.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2144 (isolation #89) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:23 am

@mod Limited access - should be 48h, pain flare is starting but is a localised one.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2147 (isolation #90) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:57 am

In post 2080, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If people follow this lotus dude who hardshoved dgb to death over my objections And surprise surprise she flipped town. You all deserve to lose and I am not going to spend an ounce more of effort on this game. Hurry up.

That I recall, I was the hard shover.

In post 2095, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:it is so dishonest and disingenuous to ignore the fact that I was defending dgb as town yesterday and trying to elim someone else over her and cherry-pick a post from dannflor literally a thousand posts ago to claim that I am scum who wanted dgb dead or whatever.

You are beyond ridiculous at this point. I don’t know how a person could possibly play this badly so this push has to be coming from scum it’s that disgusting.

Ngl I'm going to have to look back, I remember you fluffposting a lot.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2148 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:05 am

In post 2141, clidd wrote:
In post 2053, Flea The Magician wrote:Well nuts. Thats me screwed.

That said, our investigatives should have some info.
You too.

Without re-reading...

Replacement dissonance is a thing, targets make sense from a neopolitan PoV. I'm not used to pooky losing their shit like this, and is usually more confident in what they're doing and more carefree as scum so I'm inclined to townbin.

RLotus is green based on A50, Llama's green based on Pooky. Remove all 3 for now. them from PoE for now - bad idea I know.

I'm left with Gerain, Clidd, Amélie and VFP.

VFP is likely town,
clidd slightly less likely,

Amélie and Gerain have equal chance to be scum buckets, and is where I'm going to look a bit closer today.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2205 (isolation #92) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:02 am

Ever played Turok64? The fog was real.

Where we at... Goin from my 2148.

Spoiler: <turok64 base track goes here>

In post 2153, Amélie wrote:I'll be back later today to read these new pages as well as post my opinion on the last wagon yesterday. I did not like that wagon and think its counter, geraintm, is scum. Desperate scum to be exact.

I look forward to it.

In post 2155, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2138, clidd wrote:If I had to choose between PRs + reads, I would eliminate A50.

If I had to choose between PRs - reads, I would eliminate Pooky.
Why would you want to lim between the PRs at all? Give me another night (a second check) to either catch a scum or clear a townie, then you can take my results into account after I'm dead. Same applies to Pooky tbh. ALSO, Scum are going to have to shoot one of us regardless of whether they have a RB. The one still alive on D4 will tell you if Scum do have a RB.

Someones going to have to compile all the claims for me -.-;

In post 2156, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im gonna sheep llama cuz hes the only one who i am sure is town and i am also fustrated enough by this game that I no longer want to spend effort on it

This is a weird vibe from the pooky I know and love :/

In post 2167, clidd wrote:But my read also depends on how Flea plays the rest of D3.

Could be an interesting one, ngl. Pain flares are notorious for screwing with my game at this point -.-;

In post 2168, clidd wrote:Correction: considering the way
fae
led the tunnel last day on Dgb*

[colour=red]<3[/color]

In post 2173, VFP wrote:VOTE: Flea

I have a feeling it's going to be worthless to try a lim else where.

This screams at me... There's 2 votes on me, 1 with intent to discuss, 1 with sheep intent and then "oh no, nothing can prevent this miselimination! oh woe is me I must ensure that mercy is quick and painless!"

amma OMGUS you.

In post 2174, geraintm wrote:they were Alice day 1 and not on the wagon.
but day 2, boy were they all over DGB
their 5th post they voted for them. and it never, ever moved. I am someone who it takes a lot to get me worked up to a vote, and i cannot understand how a player new to game is so certain and just never shifts. it is the sort of thing i might do, but it is unusual from anyone else.
is this normal for flea?

*spit takes faer tea*

New to the game, bwahahahah. Sure if you say so.

*Laughs in meatworld and online player since 200X - may have had a 10 year break from online play.*

Your caution is my hesitance. Your absolute is my maybe. My meta is on my wiki if you're curious - besides, you've played with me before.

In post 2187, LlamaFluff wrote:Also I think this is massclaim day. If anyone has an issue with that, or with me choosing the order, say so in next post.

I want to object, but I have no reason to. Have at it.

VOTE: VFP because you're on the fence, yet voting me because its inevitable and you keep pointing this out that my lim is going to happen. I get the big scumz from you.

Amélie I want more detailed reads from on the game as a whole.

Like I have no clue what she's thinking about some slots rn.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2208 (isolation #93) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:39 am

In post 2207, VFP wrote:
In post 2205, Flea The Magician wrote:yet voting me because its inevitable and you keep pointing this out that my lim is going to happen.
I've played enough games to know when a loss is a loss.

OK sorry but if D2 and your knowledge of me isn't enough to know I WILL GO DOWN FIGHTING then you really don't know me.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2210 (isolation #94) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:47 am

In post 2209, VFP wrote:Okay?
I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Why be defeatist, when you should know the only time I'm truly so is when an elimination is needed.

Either move your vote somewhere, or make a case.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2212 (isolation #95) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:28 am

Where's your fire gone VFP? where's your spark?
I was townreading you once upon a time for your fire and now there's not even embers. You seem to happy to just slide along.

You even just moved the vote without much convincing.

Flea The Magician · Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:29 am

In post 2216, VFP wrote:
In post 2212, Flea The Magician wrote:Where's your fire gone VFP? where's your spark?
Like I said, I can tell a loss in a game.
Let me explain what happens.

We lim town today.
Tomorrow a PR dies and the other doesn't get a result. That PR then gets lim because too convenient. That PR flips town.

Or...
We lim town today
Tomorrow a town dies (maybe PR). Other PR says a clear on a name (and is actually scum), town get lim.

If I feel town can win, I'll show the fire.

VOTE: VFP - Game isn't over until its over. You know this.

Flea The Magician · Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:48 pm

In post 2232, VFP wrote:The relevance to this is so small and away from where I was trying to point as scum it will honestly be a waste of time on my side.
Flea.

VFP wrote:
In post 1589, VFP wrote:I will just add though, on a town flip here the scum team may just be amelie / Dann / Llama.
I guess this could be the case still.
The way Llama posts just keeps shouting scum at me.

VOTE: Pooky
I think I'm going to sit on this all day. I'm unable to work with Llama until i know that they actually are coming from a town mind.

Why are you OK with your own flip? You've just seen me drill into someone for AtE and now you're pulling the same defeatist shiz.

Why me over Clidd? Why yourself at all? Why vote pooky, throw shade at Llama?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2249 (isolation #98) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:57 am

In post 2241, clidd wrote:My claim is VT, by the way.

Claim: Vanilla Townie

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:47 pm

Ya'll need to back off the pooks.

Llama dunno what you want to stir from me, but ya'll need to shift off pooky. Gun at me instead, I took Danns information and made the drive, you wanna blame pooks? you blame me. got it?

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:20 pm

I missed a line break and apparently my brain did a multitrack drift.

Ya'll need to shift off pooky. Gun at me instead, I took Danns information and made the drive, you wanna blame pooks? you blame me. got it?

*cracks knuckles*

Lets dew dis.

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:57 pm

In post 2316, Amélie wrote:Flea, if scum is not a threat to town

I'm hurt

My scum game is amazing

In post 2318, Amélie wrote:I'm not sure what to think about this. I've spectated one game that Pooky played in and he was very different from here. This feels like an overreaction but I would say it is not enough reason to elim pooky today.
This frustration is saying I want you dead. You could be town but fuck you anyways.
That's not smart scum play.

And this is anti-town. Pooky gets frustrated, they're a ... bear? bears get angry and the emotional response is legit. Scumpooky vibes much much more than this.

In post 2321, LlamaFluff wrote:
Vote Flea

I still think this is the move.

You did that to generate discussion initially, now "its the right thing to do". You is a lazy fluff. You're not generating discussion at all.

Now lets get jiggy wit it.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:12 am

In post 2331, RLotus wrote:VOTE: Flea
That's e-1 I believe

Need the VC to see my wagon properly.

Votes on me are Llama who keeps voting me to make a damn point to make discussion but is doing absolutely fluff all about it. This is scummy af idleness but is a greenlit player.
RLotus is literal wagon hopping without cause, not off their meta as I know it annoyingly, also sus, also greenlit.
Pooky is one who greenlit Llama - town until proven otherwise. Frustrated bear is frustrated, I get their feels here.

3 Town on my wagon - in theory.

A50 needs to post more, and is leashed for tonight. Maf still has 2 PRs to deal with if they're town.

geraintm is doing gerain things, putting effort in, NAI at best but seems set on ignoring that I do a lot of "behind the scenes" thinking and working. I used to have my thinking in thread, but eh it was hard work and it was a lot of effort to maintain. Loving that gerain thinks I'm advocating for my own elimination. I'm trying to stir up discussion, not get myself limmed, but I can work with this

Oh and in response to your 2333 - My PoE is VFP, you, and Amélie. I know I'm a mislim waiting to happen, is the thing. [

wifom

] Do you really think that me as scum reps in and shoves that hard on DGB, admits my slot if scummy af to the point I disavow most of its previous content and would yeet it myself if I was any other slot?[/

wifom

] - answer, no. I look at other slots who I can line up easily, I look at Clidd and Amélie, I also look at pooky and see what traction I can get there.

Amelie comes out of the blue drops... something.

VFP what were you hoping to get from pooks with the scum/town answer?

Pooks why hunt scum with your power?

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:46 am

In post 2338, geraintm wrote:i am a simple person

We read this as "single" and ngl there was a round of cackling.

In post 2338, geraintm wrote:what else am i to think but this is someone inviting inspection - but if you are town why would you do this?

Inviting inspection isn't the same as pushing for my own elimination. Curious that you think it is though. What town wouldn't want to be thoroughly inspected? Especially after a day like yesterday?

In post 2338, geraintm wrote:if you are town, then your fatalism combined with DGB has ruined our chances of winning this.

No, what's ruining this is people aren't doing jack naff because scum have an ideal gamestate, a mislim that most of town is game for? dayum may as well sit back and chill as town destroys itself.

In post 2338, geraintm wrote:i'm not sure what you mean by amelie comes out of the blue drops?

Some from "out of the blue" means something coming from nowhere, often unexpected.

In post 2341, VFP wrote:
@Flea
- is it safe to assume that we have 1-2 scum between us?

You mean between me and you, or in our reads? Because my PoE is the shittest one out there rn.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 am

In post 2339, VFP wrote:If Pooky was aiming for a town read on Llama I wouldn't have unvoted.

Why?

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 am

In post 2344, VFP wrote:
In post 2342, Flea The Magician wrote:You mean between me and you, or in our reads? Because my PoE is the shittest one out there rn.
With me and you.
And this isn't a loaded question. Realistically at least 1 of us should be scum right? If not both to the outside eye.

That's a damn risky move you're making there. I approve

From an outside perspective, we're both part of a group PoE rn. Saying one of us is scum sounds like someones informed.

Asking if we're both scum would be gamethrowing and even rule breaking for me to say yes to, if that was my alignment. Basically this is an attempt to look busy while doing Aunt Fanny Addams.
The only legitimate answer that can be given no matter what my alignment, is there's 0-1 scum between us.

Definitely isn't a loaded question, it's a good attempt at looking busy though.

In post 2349, Amélie wrote:
In post 2331, RLotus wrote:VOTE: Flea
That's e-1 I believe
I dont support this wagon currently. I find Flea particularly scummy but this wagon feels far too convenient. I'd like to see a strong clidd counter wagon and how the day plays out with that.

In post 2336, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 2316, Amélie wrote:Flea, if scum is not a threat to town
I'm hurt My scum game is amazing

In post 2318, Amélie wrote:I'm not sure what to think about this. I've spectated one game that Pooky played in and he was very different from here. This feels like an overreaction but I would say it is not enough reason to elim pooky today.
This frustration is saying I want you dead. You could be town but fuck you anyways.
That's not smart scum play.
And this is anti-town. Pooky gets frustrated, they're a ... bear? bears get angry and the emotional response is legit. Scumpooky vibes much much more than this.

In post 2321, LlamaFluff wrote:
Vote Flea

I still think this is the move.
You did that to generate discussion initially, now "its the right thing to do". You is a lazy fluff. You're not generating discussion at all.

Now lets get jiggy wit it.
You seem to be saying pooky is town and that is what I said as well so I don't understand what the problem is.

I'm actually quite happy with how this is rolling, counterwagon implies I'm scum and the wagon is being shifted off me. no wagon softclears me. Of course now you're saying we need a counterwagon frames me alongside you as an associative. Bold move for the townie points, sadly failed.

You townread the pooks but want him dead. How is that anything but anti-town? That's the problem there.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 am

Herosolve! VFP x Amélie.

VOTE: Amélie

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:39 am

In post 2364, VFP wrote:
In post 2362, Flea The Magician wrote:That's a damn risky move you're making there. I approve

From an outside perspective, we're both part of a group PoE rn. Saying one of us is scum sounds like someones informed.

Asking if we're both scum would be gamethrowing and even rule breaking for me to say yes to, if that was my alignment. Basically this is an attempt to look busy while doing Aunt Fanny Addams.
The only legitimate answer that can be given no matter what my alignment, is there's 0-1 scum between us.

Definitely isn't a loaded question, it's a good attempt at looking busy though.
No, you mis understand me. Of course we aren't scum together *wink wink* and even if we were then we wouldn't say.
But to others we can easily be scum together. Follow the process back to our other bodies and see.
My point here was more, what is the common factor? It's aiming for a mis lim regardless, most likely 2 mis lim. The beauty of saying 1 of X and Y is scum, you get it wrong and can just push in a direction to fit your narrative.

It's not looking busy as I can pretend to be busy with just quoting old posts accordingly. Example can be provided.

So the whole point of your "not loaded but only 1 answer viable" question, was to place a narrative for outsiders that there's 2 potential mislims?
You're not even on the radar for todays yeetings, so why drop something like this? Why place such a narrative?

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:45 am

In post 2367, VFP wrote: No I wanted to see how you would react, but.you completely mis understood what I was saying.
Having to explain it kind of defeated the purpose.

Who do you think is up for the chop when you are eliminated?
The PRs? No
Llama, Lotus? No
Amelie? This just seems like an impossible lim at this point.
That leaves not much to play with on a lim right or lose situation. Not to mention the NK hasn't even been a factor here.

Of course I'm going.to consider myself as a potential mis lim tomorrow if.you flip green.

Assuming this is aimed at me...

Well you got a reaction, and my attention

So lets see, I answer 0 - you get the opportunity to push an informed agenda on me.
I answer 0-1 - It's the only reasonable answer given the context you gave.
I answer 2 - I'm loltrolling or game throwing. Given the situation, ain't the time or place for some loltrolling.

Unless you're attempting to pull some meta level stuff, in which case good luck getting that to work.

Yeah you're having to explain it, because I don't see any sort of town motivation for giving a question thats so closed in potential answers there's rusted padlocks on it.

Why Amélie an unreachable elimination? You're so set on being defeatist on my elimination I'm hella suspicious.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:34 am

Saying a question isn't loaded is like taking the magazine out of the gun, but not emptying the chamber. There's still one shot in there you need to be careful of.

There's no counterwagon to me, which states scum are probably happy with this outcome.

Amélies stating to start a counterwagon is sus af. and from what I recall a half-arsed effort.

My motive on the DGB was the claimed guilty which I admit I went too far on looking back.

Vote Amélie, VFP.

I dare you

.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:48 am

In post 2379, geraintm wrote:
In post 2362, Flea The Magician wrote:
Definitely isn't a loaded question, it's a good attempt at looking busy though.
this is about vfp - and i really like it

In post 2362, Flea The Magician wrote: I'm actually quite happy with how this is rolling, counterwagon implies I'm scum and the wagon is being shifted off me. no wagon softclears me. Of course now you're saying we need a counterwagon frames me alongside you as an associative. Bold move for the townie points, sadly failed.

i really hate this though

VFP's post 2373 - i cant work out all the knots they are tying me and flea together in. it almost feels like (an informed) VFP is daring me to not vote for flea because of reasons???

Because VFP is informed. Them and Amélie is my call rn.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:36 pm

Honestly I have read anything of D1, lets go peek at the votes....

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:45 pm

No wallposts, bwahahahahahah!

Too late.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Weird, I already have the file template filled in... did I already post one? o.o

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:17 pm

Spoiler: 72 HOURS REMAIN.

In post 26, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.01
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
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geraintm
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Gretchen

Gretchen
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Featherless Biped

VFP
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RLotus
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clidd
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LlamaFluff
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Almost50
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DrippingGoofball
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Flea The Magician
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PookyTheMagicalBear

HypoSoc
(2)-
LlamaFluff
,
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (4)-
Amélie
,
geraintm
,
VFP
,
clidd

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 50, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.02
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(1)-
Flea The Magician

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
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geraintm
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Gretchen

Gretchen
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VFP
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RLotus
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clidd
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LlamaFluff
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Almost50
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DrippingGoofball
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PookyTheMagicalBear

HypoSoc
(2)-
LlamaFluff
,
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (4)-
Amélie
,
geraintm
,
VFP
,
clidd

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 226, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.04
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff

Amélie
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DrippingGoofball
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HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
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geraintm
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Gretchen

Gretchen
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VFP
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

RLotus
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clidd

clidd
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LlamaFluff
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Almost50
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DrippingGoofball

HypoSoc
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Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
VFP

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 252, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.05
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(1)-
Gretchen

Gretchen
(3)-
Featherless Biped
,
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
clidd

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(2)-
Almost50
,
DrippingGoofball

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)-
Amélie

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 276, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.06
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
VFP

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(1)-
Gretchen

Gretchen
(1)-
Featherless Biped

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(3)-
Almost50
,
clidd
,
DrippingGoofball

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)-
Amélie

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 326, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.07
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(4)-
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
VFP
,
Gretchen

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Featherless Biped

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(3)-
Almost50
,
clidd
,
DrippingGoofball

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)-
Amélie

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 339, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.08
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(6)-
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
VFP
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Featherless Biped
(E-1)

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(2)-
Almost50
,
clidd

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)-
Amélie

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 375, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.09
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(5)-
Flea The Magician
,
VFP
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Featherless Biped
(E-2)

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(2)-
Almost50
,
clidd

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 425, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.10
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(5)-
Flea The Magician
,
VFP
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Featherless Biped
(E-2)

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(2)-
Almost50
,
clidd

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 476, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.11
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(5)-
Flea The Magician
,
VFP
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Featherless Biped
(E-2)

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(2)-
Almost50
,
clidd

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 527, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.12
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(4)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Featherless Biped

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(3)-
Almost50
,
LlamaFluff
,
VFP

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(1)-
clidd

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 551, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.13
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(3)-
Almost50
,
LlamaFluff
,
VFP

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
Featherless Biped

LlamaFluff
(1)-
clidd

HypoSoc
(1)-
RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 602, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.14
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(3)-
HypoSoc
,
LlamaFluff
,
RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
clidd

VFP
(3)-
Almost50
,
VFP
,
Featherless Biped

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 627, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.15
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
LlamaFluff
,
RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
clidd

VFP
(3)-
Almost50
,
VFP
,
Featherless Biped

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
HypoSoc

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 678, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.16
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(4)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
VFP
,
DrippingGoofball

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
RLotus
,
Featherless Biped

Flea The Magician
(2)-
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
LlamaFluff

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
clidd

VFP
(1)-
Almost50

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
HypoSoc

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 725, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.17
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(4)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
VFP
,
DrippingGoofball

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
RLotus

Flea The Magician
(2)-
LlamaFluff
,
clidd

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(1)-
Almost50

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
Featherless Biped

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 778, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.18
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
LlamaFluff

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(3)-
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
clidd

VFP
(1)-
Almost50

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
Featherless Biped

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
HypoSoc

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 875, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.19
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(2)-
Flea The Magician
,
DrippingGoofball

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(3)-
Featherless Biped
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen

Gretchen
(2)-
VFP
,
clidd

VFP
(1)-
Almost50

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
HypoSoc

Not Voting (3)-
Amélie
,
geraintm
,
RLotus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 901, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.20
Featherless Biped
(1)-
DrippingGoofball

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(2)-
Featherless Biped
,
Gretchen

Gretchen
(2)-
VFP
,
clidd

VFP
(1)-
Almost50

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(3)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting (3)-
Amélie
,
geraintm
,
RLotus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in frozen at 48 hours

In post 964, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.21
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(3)-
Featherless Biped
,
Gretchen
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Gretchen
(1)-
clidd

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(2)-
Almost50
,
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K

Not Voting (3)-
Amélie
,
geraintm
,
RLotus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

In post 1002, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.22
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(2)-
Gretchen
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(2)-
Almost50
,
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(1)-
clidd

Almost50
(3)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K,
Featherless Biped

Not Voting (3)-
Amélie
,
geraintm
,
RLotus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

In post 1051, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.23
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Almost50

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(5)-
clidd
,
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
,
Featherless Biped
(E-2)

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

In post 1079, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.24
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Almost50

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(6)-
clidd
,
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
,
Featherless Biped
,
LlamaFluff
(E-1)

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

In post 1087, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.25
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(7)-
clidd
,
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
,
Featherless Biped
,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50
Eliminated

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K

Not Voting (2)-
Amélie
,
geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

Wheee made it so it retroactively replaces so the current slot name is there

So the first E-1 is on pooks slot in 1.08, 3 conftown, me gerain and VFP. I reckon VFP is the scum on the wagon there.

HypoSoc is the next player to meet E-1 in 1.24 with an almost perfect town wagon. Clidd being the only unconfirmed/uncleared player there. The slot then gets yeeted.

Off wagon is Me, VFP, DGB, gertaintm and Amélie.
game this size is going to have 3 scum I reckon, so you're looking at Clidd + {2 of: Me, Amélie, geraintm, VFP} if we're looking at that.

So we go look at clidds vote - between 1.21 and 1.22 - we find a nekkid vote. Justification given once featherless decided to poke him about it in 992.

D2 next.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:31 pm

Spoiler: 48 HOURS REMAIN.

In post 1101, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.01
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
LlamaFluff

Not Voting (9)-
Amélie
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
Gretchen
,
VFP
,
RLotus
,
clidd
,
Almost50

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1130, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.02
PookyTheMagicalBear
(1)-
DrippingGoofball

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
,

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
LlamaFluff

Not Voting (7)-
Amélie
,
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
VFP
,
RLotus
,
clidd
,
Almost50

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1150, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.03
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(3)-
LlamaFluff
,
Gretchen

DrippingGoofball

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (7)-
Amélie
,
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
VFP
,
RLotus
,
clidd
,
Almost50

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1176, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.04
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(4)-
RLotus
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
(L-2)

Flea The Magician
(1)-
Almost50

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (5)-
Amélie
,
Flea The Magician
,
geraintm
,
VFP
,
clidd

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1253, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.05
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(5)-
DrippingGoofball
,
Gretchen
,
LlamaFluff
,
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
(E-1)

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
Almost50

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
geraintm
,
clidd

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1282, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.06
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(3)-
DrippingGoofball
,
Gretchen
,
VFP

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
Almost50

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
clidd
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1301, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.07
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(2)-
Gretchen
,
VFP

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
Almost50

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (3)-
clidd
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
DrippingGoofball

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1362, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.08
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(2)-
Gretchen
,
VFP

DrippingGoofball
(3)-
RLotus
,
clidd
,
DrippingGoofball

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1378, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.09
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(2)-
Gretchen
,
VFP

DrippingGoofball
(4)-
RLotus
,
clidd
,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
(E-2)

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1389, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.10
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(1)-
VFP

DrippingGoofball
(5)-
RLotus
,
clidd
,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
(E-1)

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Frozen at 48 hours

In post 1401, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.11
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(1)-
VFP

DrippingGoofball
(5)-
RLotus
,
clidd
,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
(E-1)

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Frozen at 48 hours

In post 1430, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.12
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(1)-
VFP

DrippingGoofball
(4)-
RLotus
,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
(E-2)

Flea The Magician
(0)-

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)-
clidd

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

In post 1540, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.13
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(2)-
VFP
,
clidd

DrippingGoofball
(3)-
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen

Flea The Magician
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
LlamaFluff

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

In post 1552, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.14
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(2)-
VFP
,
clidd

DrippingGoofball
(3)-
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen

Flea The Magician
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
LlamaFluff

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

In post 1575, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.15
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(2)-
VFP
,
clidd

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(3)-
DrippingGoofball
,
LlamaFluff
,
Gretchen

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

In post 1626, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.16
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(1)-
clidd

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(4)-
DrippingGoofball
,
LlamaFluff
,
Gretchen
,
VFP
(E-2)

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Frozen at 48 hours

In post 1678, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.17
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(2)-
clidd
,
DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(3)-
LlamaFluff
,
Gretchen
,
VFP

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Frozen at 48 hours

In post 1704, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.18
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(1)-
clidd

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

FleaTheMagician (2)-
LlamaFluff
,
Gretchen

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
VFP
,
DrippingGoofball

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 1827, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.19
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(2)-
Gretchen
,
clidd

DrippingGoofball
(3)-
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
, FleaTheMagician
FleaTheMagician (2)-
LlamaFluff
,
DrippingGoofball

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)-
VFP

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 1875, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.20
PookyTheMagicalBear
(1)-
clidd

Amélie
(1)-
Gretchen

DrippingGoofball
(3)-
RLotus
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
, FleaTheMagician
FleaTheMagician (3)-
LlamaFluff
,
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

geraintm
(0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 1906, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.21
PookyTheMagicalBear
(1)-
clidd

Amélie
(1)-
Gretchen

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
RLotus
, FleaTheMagician
FleaTheMagician (1)-
DrippingGoofball

geraintm
(3)-
LlamaFluff
,
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 1937, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.22
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)- FleaTheMagician
FleaTheMagician (0)-

geraintm
(5)-
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
clidd
,
LlamaFluff
,
RLotus
(E-1)

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(1)-
geraintm

Almost50
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
Gretchen

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 1983, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.23
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(2)- FleaTheMagician,
geraintm

FleaTheMagician (0)-

geraintm
(5)-
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
clidd
,
LlamaFluff
,
RLotus
(E-1)

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
Gretchen

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 2001, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.24
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(2)- FleaTheMagician,
geraintm

FleaTheMagician (0)-

geraintm
(5)-
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
clidd
,
LlamaFluff
,
RLotus
(E-1)

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
Gretchen

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 2030, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.26
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(6)- FleaTheMagician,
geraintm
,
Gretchen
,
RLotus
,
LlamaFluff
(E-1)
FleaTheMagician (0)-

geraintm
(3)-
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
clidd

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 2049, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.26
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(6)- FleaTheMagician,
geraintm
,
Gretchen
,
RLotus
,
LlamaFluff
,
clidd
-ELIMINATED
FleaTheMagician (0)-

geraintm
(2)-
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Gretchen
(1)-
Amélie

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

D2, Dan opened HARD.
Clidd takes a bit of steam but I recall people getting distracted.... and that wagon drops quickly.

2.05 is interesting. Amélie builds up to E-1 pretty quickly with an almost conftown wagon again, the only one not being conf evern remotely, is VFP. Again, this wagon evaporates quickly.

I get to E-2 being an absent slot, ok look VFP the only one not even bias conf is there.

2.19 I am here

and I need to change the script for sloppy matching because now I'm colourless.

2.22 has gertaintm at E-1, with VFP in pride of place againt and Clidd joins this time.

Amélie is conveniently nowhere to be seen on any of these wagons.

DGB goes down with 3 town, gerain clidd and me on the wagon as unconfs. I should look back at D1 actually with Amélie and see where she was...

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:33 pm

Jeeze did Amélie vote at all D1? like this is dangling off the radar dish lurking.

3 Scum, VFP, Amélie and clidd.

Game solved.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:32 pm

In post 2407, clidd wrote:That's a bad vca analysis, Flea.

It's assuming the same thing that Llama suggested earlier in relation to the theory of 1 scum on the wagon, when in reality a wagon can occur with or without scum intervention.

Never said I was good at this :3

In post 2411, geraintm wrote:
In post 2405, Flea The Magician wrote:Jeeze did Amélie vote at all D1? like this is dangling off the radar dish lurking.

3 Scum, VFP, Amélie and clidd.

Game solved.
so, i'm glad someone else has done these posts, they are what i try and do but better. i do bad excel things.

seeing your final posts flea, my fixation on clidd is understandable i think and i hope people come and join me. clidd just sits there and responds to llama and me when we point out how likely clidd is to be scum with "well...your logic is wrong" {shrug}

I literally just yeet the votecounts into python, it makes things colourful so I can see things better ^_^ In theory everyone gets a unique colour

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:17 am

Why me over the Amélie slot?

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:27 am

In post 2418, clidd wrote:@Flea

"bad" is a strong word, I would say that "incomplete" is more appropriate.

My point stands. I ain't good at these, i'm workin on it. Feel free to draw your own conclusions using the data provided.

And given your 2423 - put your money where your mouth is then, instead of just outright attempting to discredit me and my 1am efforts, actually do the work and then discredit me.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:32 am

You're also seeming to operate under the principal that I would respond to an insult in an aggressive manner.

Passive aggressive, maybe, actually aggressive, nah. Your argument aint worth the effort considering you got nothing to back it up.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 am

VOTE: Clidd

Well if he doesn't, I do.

You're doing a lot of asking, and not much working.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:39 am

I wanna see you put your money where your mouth is, I've done the hard work of getting the vote counts and applying colour to the confirmed flips and updating some of the names for replacements, now its your turn to look over the information.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:36 am

I think you need to revisit what can be considered an insult, and I really don't care if you use my VCA or not, because frankly I know you can't do better.

My turn.
Why do you consider my VCA incomplete exactly?
What information did you hope I'd glean from my efforts?
Why did you feel the need to attempt to insult my efforts?
Why are you so keen to ask questions, yet answer none and give no information?
What do you think of the phrase "put up or shut up"?
Why are you so evasive over my challenge to do one better if you're so confident?
Are you actually lacking confidence in your reads?
Is that because you're scum with an inability to actually find any other way to discredit me?

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:06 am

OK, you think I'm genuinely going to go through every single damn vote and look at who and why?
OK then sure.

The thing is, it's using flips to look at votes and patterns. Not looking at the substance of the votes beyond a bit of surface analysis. Especially at 1am lol.

To "put up or shut up" is a local thing to me, and it basically means "Either do better yourself, or keep quiet". If you're capable of doing more using the same effort, then do so. and that is a direct challenge.

Just a reminder peeps, please use fae/faer or they/them to refer to me please. Might not seem much, but each chip soon adds up

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:17 am

In post 2441, clidd wrote:The pronoun was not in bad faith, I forgot. It's very difficult for me to use this type of thing (my English is not native).

Regarding the vca, sorry, but I don't think it's productive to elaborate one now. Although that does not mean that I cannot criticize yours, since I don't think it is very useful since I don't see as true the point of scum always having to be inside a wagon, when in reality an elim can occur with or without scum interference. I believe I already mentioned that.

You, however, can think whatever you want about my posture, since it's in your right to do, as well as voting on me.

None of them have been malicious, which is why I've not called out anyone in particular. I'm aware Spanish genders everything. There's been a couple culprits though

This is an absolute cop out though. Why not share your thoughts an opinions? I've done the hard work and given an unbiased VC run down for you to work off, my VCA might be lacking, so I dare you to do better.
You are free to criticise, however, i am also free to call you out on your BS. You are right, wagons can be entirely town driven. But the where does that leave us? you and Amélie still.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:02 am

Sweet, now we both get schooled on VC stuff

and I'm generally deluded, it's part of my conditions ^_^ You copping out is you copping out, doesn't matter why

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:15 am

the 3rd one.

You be scared

It's fine, Titus will come in and school us both anyway if she got the spoons to.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:20 am

But yeah why not, I like this conversation, you're unwilling/scared to put your money where your mouth is so I'll give you a free shot.

You challenged me on not looking at context around each vote. Who's vote in which count I've mentioned previously would you like me to look at and dig a lil harder in to?

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:22 am

In post 2463, Titus wrote:I am a legend.

You are to me <3

In post 2469, clidd wrote:seem to imply that fae wants to 1v1 me

Yeesh you think you much of yaself don'cha, you came for me remember

In post 2475, clidd wrote:And, well, VCA isn't my thing, but I can do pretty well if I put the effort to do it.

Put your money where your mouth is

gunna go look at the posts you pointed out, which you've given absolutely no context for btw.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:02 pm

You linked me votecounts... what the actual..? OK fine. I'll entertain this

First post you linked is VC1.08

Spoiler: VC1.08 Post 339

Next up, VC2.05. Town led wagon, I still say VFP is scummy here. Lets look at the vote reason...
Hey look its a buddy up to you. They don't wanna vote you so they're voting Amélie instead.

Hey you're right this is a good thing to do

VC2.23 up next, another town led wagon with *shock horror* VFP.

Vote hunt time! Hey look your vote is here, and its naff too.

VFP seems to be a little less defeatist. "General interest and possibility here" and using less than 2 days as a justification for a wagon.

I still don't get what you want me to see here Clidd

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:03 pm

Yup, the posts were optional, but there's method to the madness, you know me by now clidd

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:19 pm

They're town, wrong town, but town.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:47 pm

Scum complacency and hiding in plain sight.

Thing about good scum players, is they can and will twist the game state to their need and just kinda nudge wagons as they want them - not just as they need them. There was no counter to me for a while and and you're competing wagon.... lemme find the latest VC...

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:53 pm

In post 2451, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.08
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Amélie
(1)-
clidd

Flea The Magician
(3)-
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
RLotus
(E-2)

geraintm
(0)-

VFP
(0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
,
Amélie
,
Flea The Magician
(E-2)

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Almost50
,
VFP

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

Best thing about that lil script, I can literally just stuff a new VC in at the top and tadaaaaaa.
What I will be watching for on this is where Titus places her vote and why, and if gerain moves his vote.

I'm also looking at VFP because I'm pretty sure they will put me at E-1 if not hammer.

Simple fact being there's a town wagon, on a town player. It's a good bussing opportunity to attempt to create anti-associatives.

This is an ideal scum gamestate rn, honestly. More ideal than yesterday, my elimination is favoured over yours so scum gets an easy day.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:53 pm

In post 2494, Titus wrote:
In post 2492, Flea The Magician wrote:lil script
What little script?

I feed the vote counts into a python script, it add colours, strips some tags and bits and gives me back what you see.

First line in the file is

Code: Select all

, Klick:Ydrasse:Featherless Biped@t, Dannflor:Da Dude:Entrapta:PookyTheMagicalBear@>, Amélie, DrippingGoofball@t, AliceK:Flea The Magician, geraintm, Gretchen@t, April Ludgate:VFP, RLotus@>, Artemiana:clidd, bugspray:LlamaFluff@>, HypoSoc@t, Solon:MiniMegabyte:Almost50@>

Covers replacements (marked with : ) and then alignments marked with @.

updated version of mine replaces the old names with the current slot holder but italics to make life a little easier on me tracking who is in what slot.

Green +bold/underline = flipped or 100% confirmed
Green without the bold/underline is unflipped/confirmed but with strong bias towards that.

Red is the same.

Cyan is used for my PoE/questionable people, other colours are randomly assigned because I work better with colours. Like I can see Amélie is a different kinda green and that stands out to me. I should really change the green potential to be more 50-150...

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:03 pm

Spoiler: I ran the dataline itself through the thing :P

Honestly, it's a crappy lil thing and Math can probably make a way better one ^_^

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:57 pm

In post 2524, Titus wrote: Is there a script that puts out all the subs but no colors (but for the flipped) and spoilers them?

Yeah I can do that, I just take off the @> and @< markers.

In post 2529, LlamaFluff wrote:Because faer/their predecessor

*bop*

Bad kitty.

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:14 am

Spoiler: That should do it <3

In post 2, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.00
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DrippingGoofball
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Titus
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Flea The Magician
, geraintm,
Gretchen
,
VFP
, RLotus,
clidd
,
LlamaFluff
,
HypoSoc
,
Almost50

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 26, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.01
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Titus
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DrippingGoofball
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clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(4)-
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,
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,
Flea The Magician
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

HypoSoc
(2)-
LlamaFluff
, RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (4)-
Titus
, geraintm,
VFP
,
clidd

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 50, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.02
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Titus
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,
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,
PookyTheMagicalBear

HypoSoc
(2)-
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, RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (4)-
Titus
, geraintm,
VFP
,
clidd

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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In post 181, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.03
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PookyTheMagicalBear
(2)-
Flea The Magician
, geraintm

Titus
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (1)-
Gretchen

Gretchen
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VFP
(0)-
RLotus (2)-
PookyTheMagicalBear
, clidd
clidd (0)-

LlamaFluff
(2)-
Almost50
,
DrippingGoofball

HypoSoc
(2)-
LlamaFluff
, RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Titus
,
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 226, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.04
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PookyTheMagicalBear
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HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
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VFP
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clidd (0)-

LlamaFluff
(2)-
Almost50
,
DrippingGoofball

HypoSoc
(1)- RLotus

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Titus
,
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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In post 252, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.05
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PookyTheMagicalBear
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LlamaFluff

Titus
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(1)-
HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
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geraintm (1)-
Gretchen

Gretchen
(3)-
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,
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

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(0)-
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LlamaFluff
(2)-
Almost50
,
DrippingGoofball

HypoSoc
(1)- RLotus

Almost50
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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In post 276, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.06
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PookyTheMagicalBear
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HypoSoc

Flea The Magician
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PookyTheMagicalBear

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VFP
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LlamaFluff
(3)-
Almost50
, clidd,
DrippingGoofball

HypoSoc
(1)- RLotus

Almost50
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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In post 326, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.07
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PookyTheMagicalBear
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Flea The Magician
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(1)- RLotus

Almost50
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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In post 339, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.08
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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In post 375, Not_Mafia wrote:
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Almost50
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, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Almost50
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, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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In post 476, Not_Mafia wrote:
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Almost50
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Not Voting (2)-
Titus
, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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In post 527, Not_Mafia wrote:
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Almost50
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 602, Not_Mafia wrote:
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Gretchen
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, Rlotus

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(1)-
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(1)- clidd

VFP
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,
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,
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LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 627, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.15
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(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
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Titus
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
LlamaFluff
, Rlotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)- clidd

VFP
(3)-
Almost50
,
VFP
,
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LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
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Not Voting (2)-
Titus
, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 678, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.16
Featherless Biped
(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(4)-
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,
Gretchen
,
VFP
,
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Titus
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(2)- Rlotus,
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Flea The Magician
(2)-
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
LlamaFluff

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)- clidd

VFP
(1)-
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clidd (0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
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Almost50
(1)-
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Not Voting (2)-
Titus
, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 725, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.17
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(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(4)-
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,
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,
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,
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Titus
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DrippingGoofball
(1)- Rlotus

Flea The Magician
(2)-
LlamaFluff
, clidd
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Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(1)-
Almost50

RLotus (0)-
clidd (1)-
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LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting (2)-
Titus
, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 778, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.18
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(0)-

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(3)-
Flea The Magician
,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball

Titus
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)- Rlotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
LlamaFluff

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(3)-
VFP
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
, clidd

VFP
(1)-
Almost50

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clidd (1)-
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LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
HypoSoc

Not Voting (2)-
Titus
, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 875, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.19
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(0)-

PookyTheMagicalBear
(2)-
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,
DrippingGoofball

Titus
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Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (3)-
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,
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,
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Gretchen
(2)-
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, clidd

VFP
(1)-
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clidd (1)-
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LlamaFluff
(0)-

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(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
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Not Voting (3)-
Titus
, geraintm, RLotus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT

In post 901, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.20
Featherless Biped
(1)-
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PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
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Flea The Magician
(0)-
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,
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, clidd

VFP
(1)-
Almost50

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clidd (1)-
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LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(3)-
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, Alice K,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting (3)-
Titus
, geraintm, RLotus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in frozen at 48 hours

In post 964, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.21
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
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PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
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(0)-
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,
Gretchen
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

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(0)-
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Almost50
,
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LlamaFluff
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HypoSoc
(0)-

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K

Not Voting (3)-
Titus
, geraintm, RLotus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

In post 1002, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.22
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
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DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (2)-
Gretchen
,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-
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clidd (2)-
Almost50
,
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(1)- clidd

Almost50
(3)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K,
Featherless Biped

Not Voting (3)-
Titus
, geraintm, RLotus

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

In post 1051, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.23
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
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Titus
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DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-
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Almost50

clidd (1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(5)- clidd, RLotus,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
,
Featherless Biped
(E-2)

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K

Not Voting (2)-
Titus
, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

In post 1079, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.24
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
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DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-
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Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-
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Almost50

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LlamaFluff
(0)-

HypoSoc
(6)- clidd, RLotus,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
,
Featherless Biped
,
LlamaFluff
(E-1)

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K

Not Voting (2)-
Titus
, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Eliminate.

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In post 1087, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.25
Featherless Biped
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
,
VFP

PookyTheMagicalBear
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Titus
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PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
,
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,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50
Eliminated

Almost50
(2)-
HypoSoc
, Alice K

Not Voting (2)-
Titus
, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 8th 16:00 GMT

In post 1090, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.00
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(0)-

Titus
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(0)-

Flea The Magician
(0)-
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VFP
(0)-
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LlamaFluff
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Almost50
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Not Voting (11)-
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Titus
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Flea The Magician
, geraintm,
Gretchen
,
VFP
, RLotus, clidd,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1101, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.01
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

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(0)-
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(0)-

VFP
(0)-
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clidd (0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
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Not Voting (9)-
Titus
,
DrippingGoofball
,
Flea The Magician
, geraintm,
Gretchen
,
VFP
, RLotus, clidd,
Almost50

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1130, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.02
PookyTheMagicalBear
(1)-
DrippingGoofball

Titus
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(2)-
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
,

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-
RLotus (0)-
clidd (0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(1)-
LlamaFluff

Not Voting (7)-
Titus
,
Flea The Magician
, geraintm,
VFP
, RLotus, clidd,
Almost50

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1150, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.03
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Titus
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DrippingGoofball
(1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(0)-

VFP
(0)-
RLotus (0)-
clidd (3)-
LlamaFluff
,
Gretchen

DrippingGoofball

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (7)-
Titus
,
Flea The Magician
, geraintm,
VFP
, RLotus, clidd,
Almost50

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1176, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.04
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(0)-

DrippingGoofball
(4)- RLotus,
Gretchen
,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
(L-2)

Flea The Magician
(1)-
Almost50

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(0)-
VFP (0)-
RLotus (0)-
clidd (1)-
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (5)-
Titus
,
Flea The Magician
, geraintm, VFP, clidd

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1253, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.05
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(5)-
DrippingGoofball
,
Gretchen
,
LlamaFluff
, VFP,
PookyTheMagicalBear
(E-1)

DrippingGoofball
(1)- RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
Almost50

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)- geraintm, clidd

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1282, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.06
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(3)-
DrippingGoofball
,
Gretchen
, VFP

DrippingGoofball
(1)- RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
Almost50

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (2)- geraintm,
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)- clidd,
PookyTheMagicalBear

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1301, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.07
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)-
Gretchen
, VFP

DrippingGoofball
(1)- RLotus

Flea The Magician
(1)-
Almost50

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (2)- geraintm,
LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (3)- clidd,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
DrippingGoofball

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1362, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.08
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)-
Gretchen
, VFP

DrippingGoofball
(3)- RLotus, clidd,
DrippingGoofball

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (3)- geraintm,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)-
PookyTheMagicalBear

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1378, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.09
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)-
Gretchen
, VFP

DrippingGoofball
(4)- RLotus, clidd,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
(E-2)

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (3)- geraintm,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is in Expired - Mar 21st 19:00 GMT

In post 1389, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.10
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(1)- VFP

DrippingGoofball
(5)- RLotus, clidd,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
(E-1)

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (3)- geraintm,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Frozen at 48 hours

In post 1401, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.11
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(1)- VFP

DrippingGoofball
(5)- RLotus, clidd,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
(E-1)

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (3)- geraintm,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Frozen at 48 hours

In post 1430, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.12
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(1)- VFP

DrippingGoofball
(4)- RLotus,
DrippingGoofball
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen
(E-2)

Flea The Magician
(0)-
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (3)- geraintm, Llamafluff,
Almost50

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (1)- clidd

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

In post 1540, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.13
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)- VFP, clidd

DrippingGoofball
(3)- RLotus,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen

Flea The Magician
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
, LlamaFluff
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (2)- geraintm,
Almost50

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

In post 1552, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.14
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)- VFP, clidd

DrippingGoofball
(3)- RLotus,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Gretchen

Flea The Magician
(2)-
DrippingGoofball
, LlamaFluff
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (2)- geraintm,
Almost50

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

In post 1575, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.15
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)- VFP, clidd

DrippingGoofball
(2)- RLotus,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(3)-
DrippingGoofball
, LlamaFluff,
Gretchen

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (2)- geraintm,
Almost50

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 25th 19:00 GMT

In post 1626, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.16
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(1)- clidd

DrippingGoofball
(2)- RLotus,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(4)-
DrippingGoofball
, LlamaFluff,
Gretchen
, VFP (E-2)
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (2)- geraintm,
Almost50

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Frozen at 48 hours

In post 1678, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.17
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)- clidd,
DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball
(2)- RLotus,
PookyTheMagicalBear

Flea The Magician
(3)- LlamaFluff,
Gretchen
, VFP
geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (2)- geraintm,
Almost50

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Frozen at 48 hours

In post 1704, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.18PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Titus
(1)- clidd

DrippingGoofball
(2)- RLotus,
PookyTheMagicalBear

FleaTheMagician (2)- LlamaFluff,
Gretchen

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (1)-
Flea The Magician

clidd (2)- geraintm,
Almost50

LlamaFluff (0)-
Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (2)- VFP,
DrippingGoofball

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

In post 1827, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 2.19PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Titus
(2)-
Gretchen
, clidd

DrippingGoofball
(3)- RLotus, PookyTheMagicalBear, FleaTheMagician
FleaTheMagician (2)- LlamaFluff,
DrippingGoofball

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen
(1)-
Titus

VFP (0)-
RLotus (0)-
clidd (2)- geraintm, Almost50
LlamaFluff (0)-
Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (1)- VFP

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Mar 29th 23:59 GMT

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:23 am

In post 2585, clidd wrote:
In post 2472, Titus wrote:@clidd, Calling something bad without presenting anything of your own is a common, but not universal, scum tactic. VCA is a tool available for everyone but weak this early. How does Faer's vca help you read him but the inverse wouldn't be true?
Extremely political comment. The question is formulated in bad faith, because at no time had I said that Flea's vca was essential for me to read fae.

I'm going to extend this back to you, in that many of your "questions" and your criticisms were in bad faith.

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:24 am

In post 2586, clidd wrote:
In post 2466, Titus wrote:
In post 2464, clidd wrote:It feels like Flea is trying to make me vote faer for some reason.
Why do you feel like that?
"instead or asking what is clidd's read on flea, or what flea's read is on clidd, let me ask something that it won't help me sort clidd to create a spark"

FOr example this is a legitimate question I'm interested in seeing and answer to, and your non-response is bad faith smoke and mirrors.

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:28 am

In post 2592, clidd wrote:
In post 2533, Titus wrote: @clidd, If you're town, actually make me want to read your posts. You weren't like this in Nancy Drew.
False impartiality. Atm I'm 80% sure that Titus is not coming from an uninformed/ genuine/ that needs to actively find out who is scum/perspective.

Disproving meta with redirection.

In post 2594, clidd wrote:
In post 2575, Titus wrote:Just rechecked, Pooky is a PR claim which makes it suboptimal to eliminate him, but he knows that. :/
More fillers.

Coming from the king of them.

In post 2595, clidd wrote:
In post 2574, Titus wrote:Eyeballing day 1, is there a clear on Pooky? There's a lot of green on Pooky and he got to L minus 1.
Here too.

Point proven xD

In post 2600, clidd wrote:

Most accurate gif of the game, stirring the pot

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:22 am

Sorry Llama, I forgot standard practice is to self vote in this situation :eyeroll:

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:03 pm

In post 2651, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 2650, Flea The Magician wrote:Sorry Llama, I forgot standard practice is to self vote in this situation :eyeroll:
So is it standard scum practice to not vote against the biggest wagon alternative in this game state?

My options here are me or clidd, I'd love to see where a VFP wagon goes but its too late in the day I feel and there's a lot sat on me, there's no way I'm being unwagoned today and clidd is digging deeper. That's where I'm voting.

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:06 pm

In post 2652, LlamaFluff wrote:Pretty much what do you think it serves for Clidd-scum to try and heavily push Titus here? The only thing I can come up with involves a scumteam of Clidd-VFP-Gera.

Either me and Clidd are aligned scumbuddies [lol]
Clidd wants to divert pressure from himself while gaining those precious townie points.

You're thinking Clidd scumteam without me, but your vote is on me... :eyeroll:

aww fuck they rolled outta my sockets... brb eye hunting.

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:07 pm

In post 2657, clidd wrote:fae is a foolish town playing badly,

You just summed up my entire game play style

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:20 pm

wasn't taken offensively, it gets said often

I don't trust you is the thing Clidd, and honestly i'm happy with us two being todays wagons.

I'm hoping thats a language barrier thing, but don't you think it's a bit weird you want me to find your partner - who i've already stated suspicions on - and someone you think is scum, instead of my potential partners?

Who am I partnered with Clidd?

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:25 pm

... was that a hammer? o.o

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:38 pm

I stand by gerain town, honestly.

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:02 am

Scum is in VFP/Titus, Im leaning titus rn.

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:25 am

I'm doing a you, and looking at votes

Taking clears and other stuff into mind. VFP's been pretty good at shoving Gerain throughout, your slot never voted there on the VCA from D1 and D2. I need to look at D3

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:47 am

Oh I know, but you're not the only one to sit in that slot

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:51 am

In post 2701, VFP wrote:I think it's both so unless A50 has anything for us I'll go either but I'd prefer a Flea.
A50 might actually have a result here. Otherwise I'm not sure why Pooky is killed over A50. Pooky gives a confirmed town, A50 gives a most likely town.
And either cause probably the same doubt on each other.

Maybe this just means scum have a scum doctor and it wasn't with Lotus. A50 having a read today will lock Lotus as town for me.
A50 not having a read won't impact my town (small potential scum) read on Lotus though.

You literally just said why Pooky is a better target than A50.

Also whats with the scumdoc vibe you seem obsessed with?

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:10 am

In post 2701, VFP wrote:Pooky gives a confirmed town, A50 gives a most likely town.

Pooky gives CONFIRMED TOWN. Someone else to scum to have to remove and can't drive a mislim on.
Likely Town is still a mislim driver.

I missed that part of the setup available to us, could you point me to it? Or is this just pure speculation

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:33 am

[quote="In post 2706, VFP"][/quote]
Its titus or you, looking at the votes, I'm leaning Titus.

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:25 pm

Autopilot would be my elimination, given my behaviour since repping in has been highly sus...

I came in to a scummy slot I mostly disavowed posts from, I hard shove a town and I defend a scum.

So you might have to expand on "Autopilot" for me.

Flea The Magician · Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:25 pm

Autopilot would be my elimination, given my behaviour since repping in has been highly sus...

I came in to a scummy slot I mostly disavowed posts from, I hard shove a town and I defend a scum.

So you might have to expand on "Autopilot" for me.

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:19 am

Everyones pool should be me, Titus and VFP.

Adjusted accordingly.

VFP is the townier of the two imo, so happy with VFP not being considered. Me or Titus peeps.

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:26 am

removing clears, mechclear and soft clears, yes. that said, nice catch from Llama.

VOTE: A50

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:45 am

In post 2750, VFP wrote:You look desperate at this point Flea! Just take the lim with dignity!

Whatever you're adding to your tea, can I have some?

If you wanna yeet me, yeet me. I know what position I'm in. A50 claimed block when surely one of the PRs should've been blocked previously and claimed it.

You might want some more tinfoil VFP, you raisin my suspicions rn

VOTE: VFP Let stay in the nominated pool, shall we?

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:45 am

In post 2750, VFP wrote:You look desperate at this point Flea! Just take the lim with dignity!

Whatever you're adding to your tea, can I have some?

If you wanna yeet me, yeet me. I know what position I'm in. A50 claimed block when surely one of the PRs should've been blocked previously and claimed it.

You might want some more tinfoil VFP, you raisin my suspicions rn

VOTE: VFP Let stay in the nominated pool, shall we?

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:00 am

So why would scum RB target a non-claimed PR?

Given the spec, why would we even have an RB? Takes some serious efforts to get a solid mech clear that's usable given the PRs we have. Don't get me wrong, scum prolly have a power. I'm not thinking RB though.

Wanna talk down to me, go for it. I got nothing to fear because my green flip will screw you over and you know it VFP

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:24 am

why block odd night gunsmith when theres others PRs to block?

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:18 am

Just trying to see what you're seeing.

You should try being less aggressive.

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:18 pm

In post 2768, VFP wrote:{An Amusing post}

I gotta ask then, how did your read progress on my slot VFP?

Alice wasn't freaking here for most of it, she did nothing to allow reads to develop and the natural wa is reads decay over time as no-content posts happen.

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:31 pm

In post 2793, RLotus wrote:If I were in Flea's shoes and if they are town, I'd be convinced it was A50 + me or Titus, so I'd be going after A50 today. Could be a difference in perspective, idk.

What I'm seeing from Flea rn appears to be a survival effort rather than a solving effort.

*Points at accusations towards Titus and VFP based on currently incompleteVCA*

*Points at suspicions on A50*

*Points at you with your greenlight from A50*

My solve is in {VFP/Titus} and possibly {A50} - I need to work out which is more likely, like I said, I'm leaning Titus. VFP's post barrage stinks of "well this fits my agenda". A50s RB seems rather convenient.

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:39 pm

In post 2791, VFP wrote: Scum Titus never tries to lim Gera here and lose the day talk. It's a huge tool for scum to lose and I feel like people are ignoring that Gera was important to be alive.
Yesterday's situation of course keeping a RB alive over day talk is better but standardly I'd always sacrifice scum PR to keep day talk.

This is funny... and wifomy

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:44 pm

Spoiler: Bloop.[vca

]

,

Featherless Biped

:

Featherless Biped

:

Featherless Biped

@t,

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

:

PookyTheMagicalBear

@>,

Titus

:Titus@*,

DrippingGoofball

@t,

Flea The Magician

:Flea The Magician,

geraintm

@s,

Gretchen

@t,

VFP

:VFP@*,

RLotus

@>,

clidd

:

clidd

@>,

LlamaFluff

:

LlamaFluff

@>,

HypoSoc

@t,

Almost50

:

Almost50

:

Almost50

@>

In post 2052, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.00
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(0)-
Flea The Magician (0)-

geraintm
(0)-
VFP (0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (9)-
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Titus
, Flea The Magician,
geraintm
, VFP,
RLotus
,
clidd
,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2150, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.01
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(0)-
Flea The Magician (0)-

geraintm
(1)-
clidd

VFP (0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(0)-

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (8)-
Titus
, Flea The Magician,
geraintm
, VFP,
LlamaFluff
,
Almost50
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
RLotus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2175, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.02
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(0)-
Flea The Magician (3)-
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
, VFP (E-2)

geraintm
(1)-
clidd

VFP (0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(1)-
geraintm

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (4)-
Titus
, Flea The Magician,
Almost50
,
RLotus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2231, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.03
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)-
clidd
, VFP
Flea The Magician (0)-

geraintm
(0)-
VFP (1)- Flea The Magician

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(4)-
geraintm
,
Titus
,
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
(E-1)

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Almost50
,
RLotus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2252, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.04
PookyTheMagicalBear
(1)- VFP

Titus
(1)-
clidd

Flea The Magician (0)-

geraintm
(0)-
VFP (1)- Flea The Magician

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(4)-
Titus
,
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
geraintm
(E-1)

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Almost50
,
RLotus

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2332, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.05
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(1)-
clidd

Flea The Magician (3)-
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
RLotus
(E-2)

geraintm
(0)-
VFP (1)- Flea The Magician

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Titus

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Almost50
, VFP

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2375, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.06
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(2)-
clidd
, Flea The Magician
Flea The Magician (3)-
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
RLotus
(E-2)

geraintm
(0)-
VFP (0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(2)-
geraintm
,
Titus

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Almost50
, VFP

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2447, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.07
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(1)-
clidd

Flea The Magician (3)-
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
RLotus
(E-2)

geraintm
(0)-
VFP (0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
,
Titus
, Flea The Magician (E-2)

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Almost50
, VFP

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2451, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.08
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-

Titus
(1)-
clidd

Flea The Magician (3)-
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
RLotus
(E-2)

geraintm
(0)-
VFP (0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
,
Titus
, Flea The Magician (E-2)

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Almost50
, VFP

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2576, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.09
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-
Titus (1)-
clidd

Flea The Magician (3)-
LlamaFluff
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
RLotus
(E-2)

geraintm
(0)-
VFP (0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
, Titus, Flea The Magician (E-2)

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (2)-
Almost50
, VFP

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

In post 2683, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 3.10
PookyTheMagicalBear
(0)-
Titus (0)-
Flea The Magician (1)-
RLotus

geraintm
(5)-
LlamaFluff
,
clidd
,
PookyTheMagicalBear
,
Almost50
, VFP -ELIMINATED
VFP (0)-

RLotus
(0)-

clidd
(3)-
geraintm
, Titus, Flea The Magician (E-2)

LlamaFluff
(0)-

Almost50
(0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Deadline is Expired - Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

Your pools are me and titus based on this, VFP's wifom drops them in the pool, VFP also stinks of agenda, waiting on some titus input before I lock in.

Hey VFP, why were you so passive about my "inevitable elimination" yesterday and yet today you're gunnin for blood?

Flea The Magician · Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:59 pm

In post 2715, RLotus wrote:
In post 339, Not_Mafia wrote:
VC 1.08
Ydrasse (0)-

Da Dude (6)-
AliceK, geraintm, April Ludgate, Gretchen, Drippinggoofball, Ydrasse
(E-1)

Amélie (0)-

DrippingGoofball (1)-
HypoSoc

AliceK (1)-
Da Dude

geraintm (0)-

Gretchen (0)-

April Ludgate (0)-

RLotus (0)-

clidd (1)-
bugspray

bugspray (2)-
MiniMegabyte, clidd

HypoSoc (1)-
RLotus

MiniMegabyte (0)-

Not Voting (1)-
Amélie

With
13
alive, it takes
7
to lynch.

Deadline is in
(expired on 2021-03-06 20:00:00)
- Mar 3rd 20:00 GMT
This is interesting. If Amelie (Titus) was scum with geraintm and April or Alice, she could have pushed it over. So maybe it is just VFP + Flea?

Spoiler: colourised

We're still looking for 2, ngl I was townreading Amélie for a good chunk of D2 but that read degraded pretty sharpish.

And now there's a specific thing I'm waiting to see in Titus...

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:07 am

I love how people focus on a game solve when I push a single person.

Its almost like you expect me to be informed or something.

Yes, there are connections, and thank you for answering your own question for me.

You're also echoing a lot of what I've already said phrased as though you're suggesting it.

You're looking busy, but in reality you're just using information that's already out there. And you're using abstractions as justification which aren't relevant or even mentioned.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:26 am

Miles off.

What you're conveniently neglecting is I've opened on titus scum, I've kept with titus scum, I'm half pushing titus scum....

Theres still another out there, isnt there VFP?

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:41 am

Sorry would you like a token vote to happen here or....

I'm waiting on something specific from Titus. I've said this. It will either happen, or it will not.

Right now, you're screaming "agenda!" to me trying to get my elimination. You tried the apathetic "oh woe! this elimination cannot be stopped!" approach yesterday, now you're going ham on it.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:41 am

*going ham on pushing my elimination

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:58 am

There's multiple approaches to doing something ya know.

You're pushing me pretty hard now, and yeah your vote is on Titus, but you stink of agenda.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:30 am

You're here and now, A50 isn't, and Titus isn't.

So I can prod and poke you, see how it rolls.

So far, you're an echo chamber. You've just said to me mostly what I've already said, and magically rephrased it as an original thought.

I'm also not a performing magician, I do what I want, as I want. You know that. I don't have to convince you that I'm town at all, that you're demanding so much of me is amusing.

I've given my pool, that pool contains 3+1 people. That creates 8 teams. I've looked at votes, added bias based on VCA, removed myself from the pool because hey I know I'm flipping green, that leaves 3 people and 3 teams with pre-weighted biases. I've adjusted slightly based on reads after that.

Sooooo, bite me?

I've given all you've asked for, i've even given you the information you're spewing. My working has been shown for the most part.

Wheres yours?

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:02 am

Allow me to visualise this for you.

This is where I started. 3+1 PoE.

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	Flea ------------------ VFP
	  |  \                 / |
	  |    \             /   |
	  |      \         /     |
	  |        \     /       |
	  |          \ /         |
	  |          / \         |
	  |        /     \       |
	  |      /         \     |
	  |    /             \   |
	  |  /                 \ |
	Titus ----------------- A50

A50(The +1) is "clear" by virtue of PR and clears Lotus I have heavy bias towards town here. A50, iirc, hates scum roles and disengages on them. Explains why they're fairly quiet here, and the RB from the blue is hella sus. But I'm not able to quite so firmly connect him with either of you currently.

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    Flea ------------------ VFP
      |  \                 / 
      |    \             /   
      |      \         /     |
      |        \     /       
      |          \ /          
      |          / \         |
      |        /     \        
      |      /         \     
      |    /             \   | 
      |  /                 \ 
    Titus -   -   -   -   - A50

I know my alignment, and lets face it I shouldn't be considering myself in this anyway, but as it stands, I'm in the PoE. I ain't self-voting unless we need the hammer. So this gets flattened.

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         A50
		       
		 /     \
		         
	Titus ----- VFP

My Biases applied, we go

Titus

, Based on NK we go either you or

A50

.

Gretchen Kill was a coinflip between her and A50 as the remaining target. A50 dies tonight otherwise he's almost confscum, honestly.

I'm also happy to swap you and titus around as needed

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:55 am

In post 2814, VFP wrote:Why does the NK on Pooky go towards me and not towards Titus here though?

But it wasn't a coin flip of Gretcdhen or A50, it was also Pooky. So I assume you are going with the kill was because of the role rather than reads (correct me if I'm wrong of course).
Gretchen's role outed day 1 is very weak all game. It means that scum can play to Gretchens reads concerning the kill.

The problem with comments like A50 is almost confirmed scum if not killed tonight, and if actually town is A) scum lining up a mis lim to win B) town lining up a mis lim to lose.

Example. Me and Titus as scum together. Now all we have to do is lim you then not kill A50. It's a win.

Something I struggle with as well is if you're town how you even consider me and A50 as a possibility.
For us to be scum together we actively wanted to lim Gera over a mis lim. As I said, that play is borderline going against our wincon. With how it would have been carried out.

I love that you're adding and responding to things I havent said <3

Kill was for the role, gotta take them PRs out. Beyond that, i can wifom all day about galaxy brain plays.

If we are TvsT, scums laughing, jsyk. But we're not are we

Now you're missing a VERY important word in what I said, you've said it yourself and you're acting as though it's not there, and that word, is almost.

That means that not completely, but mostly.

49 is almost 50... you see what I'm getting at here? You're dealing in absolutes when I am leaving margin for error and reassessment.

You're echoing most of what i've said already.

You're literally adding things I haven't said.

You've gone from "oh woe is me, this elimination is unpreventable... " to "this lim is happening nardweasels."

Why does the NK on Pooky go towards me and not towards Titus here though?

I never implied either, I don't do NKA - because i'm not good at it.

But sure, lets entertain i am scum...

Gretch is mislim potential.
Pooks apathy was townkilling.
Llamas apathy is townkilling.
A50s apathy is townkilling.
Lotus appearing in a wisp and gone just as quick isn't worth paying attention to.
Clidd is an enigma and is only clear by virtue of the geraintm interactions.
You're funny, honestly.
I'm always an easy lim, especially after a shove like the one on DGB.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:58 am

Oh and Titus, titus is an absolute beast as town.

and like I said... I'm waiting to see something specific from her.

Optimal play at this point is try not to bus, but leave room for the 180 and hammer the lim for the town cred and denial of talk time.

Flea The Magician · Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:34 am

Hey you wanna play games I'll play games, I don't take kindly to people who not only talk down to me, but who then try putting words in my mouth

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:09 am

INTENT TO HAMMER

still wanna see the Titus spark.

Flea The Magician · Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:27 am

Hope your feeling more you soon Titus <3 Still a legend <3

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:22 am

My PoE says VFP.

Leaning A50 too

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:50 pm

In post 2873, clidd wrote:I'm back.

Before proceeding,

@Flea

Why is Vfp in your PoE but Lotus isn't?

Lotus has a green light.

In post 2874, clidd wrote:And considering the answer that I imagine you will give: what behavior of Vfp, besides PoE, sounded as scummy to you?

He has effectively collaborated over the days towards gamesolving (while other slots were inactive/afk), and was in favor of both scum eliminations (Gera/Titus).

If he's scum, there must be something specific that he has done (or tried to do) that would benefit the scum alignment. I imagine you'll have no difficulty mentioning it, since from your perspective he's a potential scum candidate.

Our previous interactions scream agenda and manipulation to me.

In post 2875, Almost50 wrote:Guys, if you all think it's me I think you should get it on with and lim me today. I don't want to lose in ELo, so you go ahead and vote me out and see if you can see the light in the moro (because evidently I dunno what to do next and I am obviously a dead load)

See you have a similar tell to Titus... which is your WIM as scum is practically negative.

In post 2876, clidd wrote:
In post 2826, VFP wrote:I recently replaced into a game that is over now.
I took over a scum slot during the night and was shot so I didn't get to post in game. However, Titus was also scum and was the lim the day before I was shot.

In the Mafia chat Titus had already given up and wanted to forfeit the game. Pooky was the other scum who actually almost won the game.
So the fact that Titus has given up here just gives me the exact same vibes from that game.

Game was Envoys of Entrapy by Gamma.
I mean, what's the point of giving this info as scum!Vfp? ^

That game had ended more than 10 days ago and no one mentioned it, so the existence of it would hardly be noticed if Vfp did not say anything about it.

And if you paid attention to the post I did before:
In post 2874, clidd wrote:And considering the answer that I imagine you will give: what behavior of Vfp, besides PoE, sounded as scummy to you?

He has effectively collaborated over the days towards gamesolving (while other slots were inactive/afk), and was in favor of

In post 2823, clidd wrote:Although I particularly wanted to focus on eliminating a slot most likely to be scum (Titus), I feel that Flea will bring a lot more information to the game due to the amount of interactions fae has, regardless of alignment.

But it'll still depend on whether Titus will be replaced or not, as well as the potential successor.
My focus was on eliminating your slot until Vfp shared that information.

So what would be the purpose of scum!Vfp in returning attention to Titus instead of pressing the theory of scum!Flea, which from your perspective, would be a miselim (and advantageous for him)?
Because Titus has a low Scum WIM and honestly, hard bussing is a thing. I'm a YOLO liability at this point and optimal for scum to take into the that stage especially if Titus agrees to the Hard Bus. VCA shows I did not vote Titus at all, despite my intent. Which brings the point about Titus self-hammer being a game throw due to no encrypter, I need to see when she subbed in to see if she had a chance to discuss it.

In post 2901, RLotus wrote:Anyway I think it's crazy to think clidd made an effort to get the wagon off of town!flea onto his partner geraintm. Same with VFP. Clidd also heavily pushed his other partner Titus. VFP didn't hard push in that direction, but he could have easily stuck with trying to kill flea yesterday, but switched to Titus. Also, I believe I'm confirmed town at this point unless you think mafia has an encryptor, goon, and doctor.

Basically I think the townblock of VFP, clidd, and myself wins the game.
Disagree on VFP.

In post 2904, clidd wrote:Flea, by play, is still a plausible scenario, especially with fae viewing Vfp as a PoE choice, but without adding additional details on how a scum!Vfp world would work.

Wildcards exist. PoE is by elimination of clears, technically Lotus loses their greenlight. Given their play here I'm still happier with VFP over Lotus in the PoE.

Flea The Magician · Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:50 pm

VOTE: A50

Flea The Magician · Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:54 am

Then take me out today.
What information do you gain?

A50 or VFP is left, who do you go for?

Flea The Magician · Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:18 am

I keep an open field when I play, if you're not clear and someone expresses a legitimate question on you, you should answer it. Titus is scum, I couldn't have that knowledge then and had to keep scrutiny open.

Flea The Magician · Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:25 am

I hate "good faith" and "bad faith" arguments, honestly. pisses me off. Call it as it is and what it is and drop all this "faith" stuff.

VFP was manipulating and amending information with me, you were question dodging at the time.

Meanwhile, this activity level is telling of scum!A50. Some folk just can't get their heads in a red PM.

Flea The Magician · Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:24 am

Not false, proven.

Flea The Magician · Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:13 am

GG peeps

Flea The Magician · Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:26 am

@DGB sorry for the push <3 you're a player I have massive amounts of respect for really

Love ya nerd <3

Flea The Magician · Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:27 am

@VFP I absofuckinglutly hate clashing with you. don't do that again xD

Flea The Magician · Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:44 am

In post 2988, VFP wrote:
In post 2984, Flea The Magician wrote:@VFP I absofuckinglutly hate clashing with you. don't do that again xD
I really wanted to town read you!
For the record, I enjoy playing in games with you too
I just won't ever be able to be 100% on you as town of scum. I think always having an open mind on you unless mechanically confirmed is the safer option

If I did offend you in any way during the game, there were no intentions to do so and I apologies, I think I just struggle to explain certain things or at least in a way that is readable to others as I'm constantly over thinknig things, even as I type it.
If we went into a day with me you and 1 other I would have had a melt down I think.

Genuinely the best approach to have with me. And any other Wildcard-type players honestly.

If you ever offend me, I would tell you. Don't worry about that