Micro 998 | The Binding of Isaac Mafia | Game Over

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VOTE: Costello

@Costello:

Is there a reason why you aren't Kanna?

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I was gonna joke hardclaim The Lost but then I realised that's an actual role. I'm so sorry...

harclaiming Monstro

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i would like to be maggie until someone counterclaims

Maggie was one of my favourites when I first started playing. The idea of extra health + health regen seemed super OP to newbie!me. Of course, I'm a seasoned vet now who only goes The Lost Boss Rush or bust

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uh

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I hope there's a role-related reason for that and it isn't just a gamethrow lol

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pedit: apparently so lol

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There were 5 votes on Costello, Farkran. also, did you link the wrong post?

that bugspray comment does look a little baity tbh

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At least we get some more time to play!

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Vengeful?

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Oh, maybe he only becomes vengeful if he self-hammers

Isn't that role a lot better in mafia's hands balance-wise

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yeah, I know. I'm just confused at the possible swingyness

what's the exact conditions/your role out of interest?

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uhhh okay

pick wisely!

kill this with fire and brimstone

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madeline, can I leave reading bugspray to you this game? I'll assist with blue hearts and occasionally spiders

pedit: the fun in the game for me is getting really stupid combos which makes things go insane. brimstone is uh, one of the catalysts for stuff

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madeline, can I leave reading bugspray to you this game? I'll assist with blue hearts and occasionally spiders

pedit: the fun in the game for me is getting really stupid combos which makes things go insane. brimstone is uh, one of the catalysts for stuff

Is madeline your most trustworthy friend right now?

Real question

Her vibes are fine but I have no real read yet, I proposed that because she's played a lot with bugspray. Although, I have too lol
It just does my head in trying to figure them out

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so i wonder if costello is actually scum and the partner knew and helped creat the wagon

does not feel like a real thought

Why not? I actually thought the same after hectic's 42

I explained in my followup but feels less like a townie thought process and more like someone outing a wildly implausible thought to seem like they are going crazy with speculation

(also I would expect a scum venge to have ended the day immediately)

Mm, wild and crazy speculation is bugspray's thing as both alignments

I like catboi so far for calling out Flea/bugspray

Also the sentence in brackets is true, but seems to be coming from a scum mindset instead of deducting that costello should be town for his action

I don't understand this

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Is this Prism

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I'm good, I'll just use my Holy Mantle + Infamy + Cube of Meat(s) combo

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Is this Prism

Also, I'm sorry, I said this without considering the fact you might want to remain hidden (if I'm right)

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Farkran-scum who's afraid of being hardscumread by Prism again

we got em

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Also the sentence in brackets is true, but seems to be coming from a scum mindset instead of deducting that costello should be town for his action

I don't understand this

I mean to say that catboi didn't deduce that costello would be town for his play, he just thought about how scum would handle it. Still an early analysis, but i'd rather have it out there than just in my mind.

Also oh shit yeah tech-x is op af, i beat delirium with 1 red heart usjing just tech-x and not that much dps

I

think

I like this analysis of perspective. wait, by play, do you mean costello self-hammering or the content he's posted?

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Makes sense

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Feels weird to say gamma is "lurking" within the first 2 hours of a game, no? Granted, he hasn't said anything with his 2 posts, but the game has barely started and he wasn't here for most of it.

The game is literally 2 hours old, people sleep and have lives. We literally cannot be calling people on low content-lurking.

Why'd you feel the need to repeat his point?

I find Gamma scummy too, not because of low amount of posts, but because of what he chose to say in those posts. Would expect he'd have more he'd want to say after that start.

Ydrasse is null. Farkran is cool. madeline calling Costello out on bad play is slightly towny. catboi fine, good even. Who else... bugspray is bugspray, no idea. Flea's been fluffing, 129 is a little sympathetic, like holding back on critiquing Costello, probably because he has the power of REVENGE on his side, although I can see that coming from town as well, just less likely.

catboi/Farkran
madeline
Ydrasse
bugspray/Flea
Gamma

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bugspray and Ydrasse should probably be switched around on that list actually

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Yee, like he's more worried about not saying anything scummy/tipping the scales rather than giving his thoughts

I don't agree with Farkran on his point on catboi, but I can see why he believes the differing perspective thing can be scum-indicative

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Was your initial reaction scum or town when he self-hammered, Ydrasse?

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Also, can you take this blue heart off my hands please. Been holding it for a while now and no one seems to want it

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Oh give it to me please, i'm not maggy and i could use some more <3

Oof, I'm sorry, but The Magician beat you to the punch. I found some other friends for you though:



Heard the BBF (Big Beautiful Fly) is the best item in the game actually. On the house <3

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Ta much. I need these <3

Don't use it all at once!

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Honestly, I'd shoot bugspray because I have no real scumreads and bugspray is hard to read and sort, but it kinda sucks because it's mostly policy.

I don't want to shoot any of [Farkran, Ydrasse, Madeline, catboi] right now. I feel the least confident about catboi of those

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And of the other 3, I like Gamma for his assessment on Farkran feeling flat and pushing for that, especially when Costello's already voiced he quite likes Farkran

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Lol at how costello's big reveal got hardly any reaction from anyone

True lol
That sounds even more busted than vengeful honestly if in the hands of scum. Can literally just make it to lylo, act like a jester, and then redirect the launch to town. Must be some conditions he's not telling us about

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Other than that i find myself agreeing with ydrasse more than i wanted to. What do you think about this, ydrasse? Should i be worried?

Why do you expect to Ydrasse a certain amount? Why ask this question?

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*agree with Ydrasse a certain amount

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Oh yeah, that too lol

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I like madeline because she went from null reading me to realising she saw stuff she liked from me on the first 2 pages in a following post, more likely to be an underlying thought process there. Also, I think she's a little more cautious as scum.

Flea, who would you like to SHOOT with the SHOT

I'll do a double backflip into the pool

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Let's talk about bugspray a bit though, since i feel i have overlooked his slot so far. My opinion of him is mostly based on 44, 49 and 55 because they sounded really sincere to me, i shared the same thoughts at the time (after i realized that costello was actually hammered and it wasn't just fake) and i think scum wouldn't have had the readiness to fake that kind of disappointment. That being said, the contribution to the gamestate isn't that great. Wouldn't shoot him as my first option rn anyways.

You read it as disappointment? I just read it as surprise/shock which could come from either alignment

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OK jokes aside now thats 3 for 3 people are pulling me for bad faith shenanigans? I am literally just doing me and being being the mass of chaos I am...

I feel this. I hate when people call me out for having fun or messing around, and try and link it to some sort of scum agenda

I'll ISO you again after I check out Gamma

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Farkran feels rather flat this game. I only played with him once but I don’t recall him being that way in that game, so I think it’s scum-indicative.

Farkran feels rather flat this game. I only played with him once but I don’t recall him being that way in that game, so I think it’s scum-indicative.

To be clear Farkran was town in that other game

Hold up I need to rethink that
I remembered the wrong game

Okay my only Farkran experience was a scum game in a Vote For Town-esque setup

(Both of us were scum in it, tbc)

I do think his play in that game feels a bit similar to this
So the read stays

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=81516
There’s also another game we played I located while grabbing that one
Idr what farkran was but I was town in it

Farkran was town in that one
His play looks way different just checking how the first two posts read

This sequence is wild lol
The way Gamma continues to scumread Farkran via meta even after realising his alignment was the opposite of what he assumed is funny. I think scum are more likely to reconsider and do a simple "oh, he was actually scum in that game. this means the difference indicates town" rather than find another reason to find the difference scummy

Gamma, link the game you're talking about in 223 pls

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oh hectic, how has madeline not been cautious this game? the wagon from early on?

i don’t think it’s fair to say she’s been cautious when... no one really expects the wagon like that to actually result in something, perhaps moreso in this player list? or are there other reasons?

she didn’t explain the thought process behind her read on you so i can’t comment if there is one or not but... idk!

I was more reading into her talking to Costello about playing suboptimally while he has the shot

Now that I look back at it though, 118 is actually weirdly looking for that interaction. It's possible scum!her realises it's a way to look like she's unafraid of being shot, so goes looking for an conversation to critique Costello for his play with that little comment

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There’s also another game we played I located while grabbing that one
Idr what farkran was but I was town in it

Yeah, this part is weird. Like, he "located" the game which means he opened it. But posted this first before checking what Farkran's alignment was

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I've got quite a lot of experience with him. He's free flowing as town while more stilted as scum. Usually I just catch him by seeing reasoning that looks fake

That sequence of posts I

think

are more like his town-meta, the way he's talking through his thought process while he looks the games up

Ah, let me check a quick scumgame of his actually

Okay, his last scumgame has more meaningless comments/questions, so I think that Farkran spiel is good

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You've linked one post there, Gamma

Costello, I'm not confident Farkran is town, but I can see all of his reasoning being stuff he believes in, even if I don't agree on all of it. His transparent playstyle means he'll probably spew enough stuff that will give us plenty to solve him down the line, so that's my main reason for thinking he's a bad shot today

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Ah, that makes more sense

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Does that mean duplicates were on the menu or is that a sneaky ??? random

Also, thank you for visiting, Flea and Farkran. I know you both thought you were being stealthy but I have Miso posted at the front door at all times. You didn't see him because he was camouflaged amongst my tactically placed cat pushes

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Nice shot btw

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*plushes

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this is a preemptive discredit manoeuvre

catboi probably had a backup role actually

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You think Gamma was TMI-distancing from Farkran knowing you never shoot him? Was weird how he wanted to land on a meta scumread no matter what even after learning his memory served him wrong.

Think Ydrasse is spewed town from that weird two-face interaction or whatever. Will read back on other stuff later

Oh, and madeline; what were you trying to achieve towards the end of yesterday? Your questions felt off


VOTE: Farkran

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why not ask me...? if you did i missed it

catboi had just posted, why do you think your insight gives more than catboi's perspective on something i was thinking about

This question in particular. Did you really think it useful to hear why Ydrasse thinks she rather have you ask her a question about herself rather than ask catboi?

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I'm simultaneously the UTR and USR

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UNVOTE: Farkran

True-claiming an inno on me is suicide for Farkran-scum tbh

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Yeah, but he can claim some other more inconsequential ability that doesn't clear me

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lol I guess we're massclaiming then? I really appreciated it, Flea. I've already framed it and I'll treasure it forever

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go on THEN

I have Costello's blessing

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madeline>bugspray>Ydrasse>Costello>Flea

(Full claim if you haven't already)

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That's pretty OP. Have you been utilising flight and mini brimstone well?

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Fine, go ahead and scumspew and make this easy, Ydrasse

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lol that's actually insane. And Gamma had that role too.... I'm struggling to comprehend how this setup isn't townsided right now

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WOW

THE TWISTS

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Ah yes, a memory to past memories. Those are my favourite memories

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I haven't properly played since Greed Mode. I lost all my Isaac skills and got stomped a few times when I tried to come back after a couple of years

What're your top tips, Flea

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Feels weird to say gamma is "lurking" within the first 2 hours of a game, no? Granted, he hasn't said anything with his 2 posts, but the game has barely started and he wasn't here for most of it.

Yeah I’ll just wallflower here a bit longer

Why?

No one noticed my last post

What response were you expecting to the first post? Not like it gave anyone anything to work with.

The game is literally 2 hours old, people sleep and have lives. We literally cannot be calling people on low content-lurking.

Flea less likely scum for this defence. Very unnecessary after catboi made the same point, and gives bad associations

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Biggest thing that made me worse was I was way more impatient and just stood in front of enemies. I forgot you have to do strafe runs and get in like 2 or 3 tears at a time while dodging lol

Pedit: Me? Why? Because of Gamma-associative?

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Yeah, top TR all day for tone+making sense with your progressions, solidified the second I reviewed the progression on Gamma, why I was so ready with that quote but that entire progression was good. Spent literally all night reading to give reads to cat.

One of my PT posts was something like "Shoutout to my boy Hectic for ABSOLUTELY FUCKIN NOTHING LMAOOOO"

Goddamn it, Costello. You always either hard townread me or hard scumread me the entire game... I like it

For the departed catboi:

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Yeah, so scum!Costello has no reason to reveal this Raven ability considering he's going last in claims and there's no rolecops or whatever claimed. And I think catboi would make it clear that he was in charge of the shot if he actually was the one deciding

Very little paranoia on Costello. It's essentially down to if he hard busses day 1 and hopes the mech doesn't screw him over (unlikely)

pedit: thanks, I worked hard on it

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16 hours

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Am BACK. reading up now

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I am open to talk about why ydrasse should be scum

My read on her is strongly based on tone, same as what i have on bug, but it's still better than what i have on flea

Even on d2 start though ydrasse took iniziative to move off the fotm wagon when scum!her would have no reason to (391->443) since nobody had called her out after voting a strong townread of her (259)

I really can't see scum!ydrasse rn

This is a really weird reason to townread her for, Farkran. No one called her out for voting a previous townread of hers so she'd have no reason to switch vote? You're trying to predict exactly what scum,!her would do and then townreading her because she didn't meet your predictions

THAT SAID, I do remember thinking Ydrasse was quite town after I saw the Gamma flip because of their interactions end of day. Seemed bad faith from Gamma and Ydrasse's reactions seemed genuine. I'll point the posts out later

I don't like the reasoning for this read from you though. Kinda like how I don't like Costello's dumb shades lol

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your reads aren't knockout or anything but your entire play this game, particularly around me, is bizarrely believable given the way you've continued to react w/ the daystart, the clear comment, explicitly worried i'm saving you for later, over waiting to bring these concerns up as the game continued to play on

Yeah, madeline's constantly implied paranoia about you I quite like

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The ones in your avatar

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He won’t be if he isn’t scum

if he shows up and says yes he is scum and you have my blessing to power elim him tomorrow!!!

lol
Don't you dare pull a "there's no way this person would incorrectly read me and if they do they're scum" read on me

I do think town

so far

though

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bugspray protects Farkran
Farkran checks bugspray
We launch one of Flea/madeline

Costello or I die tonight

bugspray clear/guiltied
Farkran checks Ydrasse
Launch the other of Flea/madeline

Other of Hectic/Costello dies

Ydrasse cleared/guilty
Comes down to 1v1 between Farkran and Ydrasse
Should launch Farkan in this scenario

The game probably ends long before with one of Flea/Madeline I think though

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bugspray protects Farkran again in that second phase and bugspray might die over me/Costello then

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I agree it's unlikely bugspray, Costello

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Ascetic? Hang on, I haven't finished catching up. There's been a delay

Pedit: oh, I see

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Yeah, we should just launch who we think is scum out tbh

Mechanics favour us launching a neighbour because of Farkran existing and that should let us impact our decision but not dictate it

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I'll have a closer look in a bit. It's time for some dinner

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None of the claims have seemed too crazy so far

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Madeline Madeline Madeline

Can you verbalize where the paranoia on Costello comes from? Do you think scum could've been worried there might have a watcher/bodyguard/doctor/jailkeeper and not wanted to risk the obvious kill?

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I'm the Forgotten and I can either become the soul for a night or bony for a night. My role implies to me that the soul tells me information about others somehow, while bony tells others information about my alignment somehow. I don't know what either ability does while I pick it during the day, I'm told what it does during the night.

I used the soul day 1. I've locked in bony today so we'll see what that does tonight

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I forgot Flea could just close the PT and then Farkran can investigate Flea/Madeline too

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After some ISOing I get the most scumvibes from Farkran. He's said the most fabricated-sounding reads to me. I might outline them later but summary is: the early perspective read on catboi, the worried question to Ydrasse, the "ydrasse is very good scum or town so I lean town on her" read, and the disappointment read on bugspray. Also, there's the Gamma interactions which look weird

But he's also claimed PT Cop.............

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Farkran, can you explain the reasoning for checking me and what was weird about by Gamma progression? I had him at the top of my "would shoot pile", being [Gamma, Flea, bugspray]. Where did I shift on that?

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By top I mean he was my third pick

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I'm wondering if Hectic is loud which means we never even have to put bug on him at all lol, he can just be soul until endgame

Loud isn't quite the right word/modifier

I just mean if he publicly announces even if targeted by nightkill, which would be kinda dumb tbh

What do you mean?

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Oh, I see. I don't see a reaosn to confirm or deny how many shots I have of Soul/Bony

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Farkran>madeline>Flea for me at the moment

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The way Flea’s reacted to Ydrasse’s push looks like town based on how fae pushed back against her two-faced advance
Ydrasse I think has genuine paranoia but could also be genuine-sounding scum, so I want her opinions on other slots since I doubt she can fake those other reads as well if scum

It looks like Ydrasse is trying to say two things at once there (you have and have not been cautious)
Ydrasse, your response? This is the second thing I’ve noticed of this type from you

It looks like Ydrasse is trying to say two things at once there (you have and have not been cautious)
Ydrasse, your response? This is the second thing I’ve noticed of this type from you

what? i’m saying i don’t think she’s done anything especially cautious that’s worth pointing out so far wrt the early wagon as i thought that’s what hectic was basing off of

what second thing have you noticed and have you pointed it out before someone prodded you on me?

But like
Hectic said she wasn’t being cautious
It looks like you ended up agreeing with him as such

And you’ve had confusing takes on Flea (which looks paranoia-driven) and madeline (which seems like you started disagreeing with hectic on some level but reached the exact conclusion he did)

Maybe I'm not giving Gamma enough credit but I think scum!Gamma lacks this kind of nuance when giving reads on partners. It's mostly this interaction I have her as town for tbh

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we don't talk about the last time u trusted

VOTE: redtea

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Madeline, what was your theory on Ydrasse being town based on Silent Star 3?

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You're probably RPing as a Miqo'te aren't you you goddamn weeb

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Hard to keep track, I'm not a fanboy

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nah, more of a Mario's FUNdamentals type of guy. working on a any% world record speedrun

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What do you make of it, Flea?

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Humour me, I'm interested

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Farkran, can you explain the reasoning for checking me and what was weird about by Gamma progression? I had him at the top of my "would shoot pile", being [Gamma, Flea, bugspray]. Where did I shift on that?

The transition from 154 to 265 to 293 felt bad after gamma flipped red

I mean you had him as your highest scumread, then as the day went on you found a reason to shift your read on him, yet never fully committing to it. Post-clear, i am still wondering why you didn't suggest a clean shot on him

Also you and gamma had very similar reads despite him being a SR of yours which is also a weird stance to take (especially wrt bug)

He was my bottom scumread after he only had 2 or 3 empy posts. I liked him more for his content but not as much as the other 4 slots I had above him

is the gist

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Farkran>madeline>Flea for me at the moment

getting the itchy feeling

Are you shading the Magician for having fleas here or do you have some other kind of itch

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I forgot to mention I have Divorce Papers as an item, Flea. Nice chart

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You are absolutely not giving scum Gamma enough credit but I'm lazy and really don't want to go digging to prove it but I will at some point.

I'd encourage you to review the spat with Ydrasse and Flea's latest mechanical solving. I really do not think fae are mafia. In contrast, I think Ydrasse really was not out to fairly evaluate the slot. Whether because she's mafia or because she's frustrated, who knows? Similarly, I think Farkran's thought processes are both clear and natural in a way that I suspect he does not have down pat as scum. I'm not 100% sold-only like 80%-but this game would be a step up for sure.

Yee, maybe. I don't think Ydrasse's playing like scum who needs to survive 3 mislaunches either though. That haphazard naked early L-1 on Farkran for one, and then calling out and scumreading Flea like that for two. I don't think someone who's down a scum partner plays day 2 the way she is. Also, I feel her AtE towards you also seems unnecessary for scum who's already pretty much lost this game. Like, if I was scum here, I really wouldn't care that much because I would figure I've already lost but might as well play it out. Town might care about being an unnecessary mislaunch when the game's looking very good for town though

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i'd be demotivated too if i were relying on me/hectic to win a game tbh

Chara's the mod now... it's FINE

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I think Ydrasse just triple backflipped out of her scumrange with that wallpost + following posts on the next page tbh

Flea's reaction where fae calls the wall really good but still manages to reaffirm fae wants to elim Ydrasse, but more sympathetically kinda pings me. Why not go bugspray? They're in your 4 person pool as well.

I want to do flea today and investigate ydrasse

My current thinking too

The prickly vibe from madeline that Ydrasse describes is what's pinging me about her this game too. It's the first time I've felt it from her in a game to this extent, and I do wonder if it's being put on

I'd still prefer madeline today buuuuuuuut Flea would be my second choice

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but it's itchy like a sweater because it's so tempting but i can't be right, right

You should wear non-itchy sweaters like cotton or silk ones. And don't listen to Costello, he wears bamboo sweaters the freak

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It is possible bugspray is scum who trueclaimed and couldn't care less about this game btw lol

That'll be funny but the pain and suffering they would've inflicted upon us....

IF we do launch Flea today:

Farkran investigates Ydrasse
bugspray protects Farkran
Hectic marathons Isaac until he finds Dark Bum
Costello plays final fantasies
madeline buys higher quality sweaters
Ydrasse digs up Flea's corpse (bit strange)

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Aren't all slots 100% confirmable then?

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I think it's unlikely anyone's gonna be ascetic on top of an additional confirmable role ability, but I see your point

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madeline feels different to me, and that means something in a game where i don't think anyone else feels especially different or scummy. from the start she's felt prickly in the way she presents herself, and like... i've never had these sorts of feelings before when she's been town. as town she feels good, and i rarely have these sorts of doubts on her, but this game i do! i read her posts and think, huh, there's a tone to them, and i don't really get what she's doing and i worry that she's trying to emulate what she sounds like as town, or trying to mirror people a bit, and just... going through the motions. that's what her game feels like to me, going through the motions right now. i could be wrong on this but like, she's my second scumread for a reason and it feels like these thoughts i have about her mean something.

the mirroring bit seems ??? as you've enough experience with me to know that isn't alignment indicative; why is 'going through the motions' mafia indicative for me in a game in which i said 'the lights are off' but 'playing without fire' isn't for you, like

this feels so much like

projection, to me

The prickly vibe from madeline that Ydrasse describes is what's pinging me about her this game too. It's the first time I've felt it from her in a game to this extent, and I do wonder if it's being put on

i feel like you townread me at my prickliest this game? and once i say 'i'm not 100% about hectic clear either' suddenly it is put on

I've had you as my vote preference for a while before this, and it's mostly for "vibes", you feel off somehow but I can't exactly pinpoint it. Ydrasse describes part of it. Are you intentionally playing this alt differently?

What do the Divorce papers give you hectic?

The SOUL/BONY abilities I described

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and if flea dies the night fae is investigated?

That is okay and still functionally serves its purpose. The nightkill in this case is functionally a town-driven elim.

I would even say this is expected if we choose to investigate Flea as I am not 100% mechanically clear, and neither is Hectic.

then I'm clear regardless and scum are going to take someone out regardless.

Short of throwing, I'm confident town wins.

i feel like i have to be missing something

the plan seems to be

if hectic or costello are mafia, town loses
if farkran or bugspray are mafia, flip a coin for who wins
hope ydrasse or flea are mafia, to avoid the other options

and this is a plan people are like, 'yeah this is good' about

Pretty much. I don't like how okay Flea is with getting launched and still has confidence that town will still win. Feels like the least believable reaction of everyone who's been pushed today.
Ydrasse got a little upset. madeline doesn't like it and pushes back and tries to see if her accusers are approaching her in good faith. Flea says it's win/win?

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interesting timing of those claims, if anyone would like to look,

Are you suggesting I did not have a PT with catboi?

Whether I'm scum with the PT or town with the PT doesn't make a difference for what the mechanical decision should be.

i am suggesting that there is no way for us to know if you did have a pt since catboi died in the night and if you did have a pt there is no way for us to know if it is still open, as there would be little reason for it to be since farkran says his ability simply detects pt even with one person in it so design wise would expect it to be limited time for your ability,

The only reason for scum!Costello to claim the truth of his Raven role is if he's worried about a possible rolecop ability somewhere. That's the only reason to give town paranoia/doubt on whether he actually made the final decision over catboi. If this is the case, lying about a PT which would also be catchable by a rolecop seems very pointless

[Hectic]

Like I can still be mafia but like, jesus fucking christ, the mechanical suggestions rn are horrific and I want Hectic back

[Hectic]

Dumbest part of this btw was cat lost viewing access but the PT is still open/I can post in it

gently takes

give my cat the goddamn pt back what if he needs the mixtape

If he was going to cheat and post in it or something he could have done that the entire time he had access.

I like the nuance

or we could vote for costello today, thank not chara for moderating, and continue to check the thread every once in a while to see if isis posts postmortem thoughts on the design

Are you really

that

confident on Costello flipping scum?

I don't think the PT remaining open is condemning at all

Rule #2 is a thing, I will be a good little mafia player and not make even the slightest further suggestion or gesture that I am very much at the limit of my patience again this game, and instead I will 100% try my hardest and enjoy doing so!

[Hectic]

VOTE: Flea the Magician L-1

Mech is overrated anyway. Let's vote for who we think is scum based off

play

, crazy concept, I know. 1003 is fine and I relate in not having any strong scumreads

If this is hammered,

bugspray

, please protect Farkran tonight. He's a PT Cop and his checks are very valuable if he's town

Costello, take a break from the game, play some final fantasy plumber simulators, sip on some goomba maritinis, and come back REFRESHED. I know you've got plenty WIM in you but you shouldn't burn yourself out when you get too invested

[Hectic]

UNVOTE: Flea The Magician

No unexpected sprays allowed

Like I got distracted and never finished but meta I could see the point on both Ydrasse town/Flea scum even if it's not necessarily correct, and while I found the unvote by Flea natural I thought the stuff that came after w/ the renewed confidence but no revote until later was sketchy.

This is a good point, yeah

[Hectic]

The other option is yeetdrasse, investigate ME OR MADELINE.

We do not reveal if the PT is open or closed.

That would confirm Farkran for sure.

Frankly if Farkran is scum, hes played a damned good game here and I wouldn't be salty.

I don't get this at all either. Even if it was in question Farkran was really a PT cop, this would be giving him a 50/50 anyway to guess. How is that confirming him "for sure"? Very confused.

[Hectic]

like the checklist before voting flea is:

1) close pt
2) have flea ask chara privately "Do I have access to any PTs?", confirm answer is no

imo leaving the vote up is fine in case they just want to skip doing that and concede but yes it risks a yolospray

I'd prefer to avoid a classic yolospray

Flea, you cool to do this when you're around? I understand the surrounding circumstances are awkward but you're a magician; just fly after we launch you

[Hectic]

The CHAOS is getting to you. I try and thrive in it

And alright, look forward to whatever you have planned

[Hectic]

hectic do you think the above is legitimate lol

I really don't know lol

Godspeed, Flea, for being so cooperative if you're town

[Hectic]

Hectic I just realized something

I deserve this

This is karma, the parallels here are incredible, I did this same shit to you even if there are some differences

Holy fuck I am sorry and I repent for my sins

lol at least you came round on me at the end

I think I'm suffering from Stockholm Syndrome because I have more positive than negative memories of you that game

[Hectic]

@madeline and flea, what is the theory for Costello being scum?

I mean i read you saying that all the things happened are very convenient for him (access to PT, catboi dead, etc) but could you tell me the actual chances that scum get instavoted d1 into a redirect on his partner, without any knowledge of other PRs around (could have been a cop for all we know), hoping to survive 3 more miselims while at the same time explaining how he isn't nked until end of game?

As i said, this is worth losing the game to, costello is immediately awarded the title of best scum to have ever existed

Eh, not best scum. More like going for high risk high reward highroll scum

He'll be the best scum if he actually wins (keep me around, Costello, I'll vote with you in lylo)

[Hectic]

What on earth, people really are way too paranoid of bussing. Hard busses really don't happen as much as people think they do, especially in the way Costello shot Gamma. Launching him day 2 after that is very silly

Costello, I think it's those shades, they make you look shady. Get better ones

VOTE: Flea The Magician

Pedit: Flea! You're fun to play with but I'd rather take no chances and not have Costello randomly hammered

[Hectic]

bugspray, protect Farkran please

[Hectic]

Well, Flea? Did we get ya

I'm kind of hopeful because your Costello push looked a little opportunistic, but idk if that's hopeful town opportunism

[Hectic]

Paranoia is healthy. Is it my relatively low engagement, Farkran? I'm feeling mafia less at this current moment

You should hammer

[Hectic]

Farkran-scum who's afraid of being hardscumread by Prism again

we got em

[Hectic]

Thanks for moderating, Chara! Really enjoyed the flavour

and fun setup as always, Isis

[Hectic]

You probably should've just trueclaimed that over PT Cop, Farkran. Though it might've meant we actually push you out day 2 because you don't have mech reasons to be kept around, idk. I think the alternative makes it really hard to win though

Please do join more games, was great to play with you again after so long

[Hectic]

One of Prism/catboi need to roll scum against the other in a game eventually so I can get a taste of those juicy interactions

[Hectic]

We are ALL Isaac on this blessed day