Micro 998 | The Binding of Isaac Mafia | Game Over

[Ydrasse]

LET'S

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

VOTE: costello

[Ydrasse]

i wish lilith was in this because i'd want to be her, she's so annoying to play but fun if you get powered up

[Ydrasse]

erm

hi costello!

[Ydrasse]

uhhh okay

pick wisely!

[Ydrasse]

no im not im just like... ok cool!

[Ydrasse]

wouldnt a scum venge want to slowroll us to see what the best shot is to hurt town + plan a nk?

[Ydrasse]

wouldnt a scum venge want to slowroll us to see what the best shot is to hurt town + plan a nk?

Is this why you're not posting?

I think it should be very obvious by now that I'm not a new player who panic selfhammers page 1 as scum, let alone tackle seriously playing the game the next 48 hours.

no i just didn’t feel like it yesterday since i was playing wow + survivor

i’ll be around after work to post but even when i was around before i wasn’t really thinking hard abt this game and don’t know who you should shoot

[Ydrasse]

I looked back and it feels like you didn't know how to react to the fast hammer and reveal

me?

i didn’t at all LOL

i see someone selfhammer and think oh god was this person throwing at first

[Ydrasse]

i genuinely had no clue, scum wouldn’t do that but also why would town??

[Ydrasse]

hello evewyone

i'm hewe!

[Ydrasse]

Welcome back! Do you have any thoughts on our local stray cat or maybe Hectic/Gamma?

catboi felt like a robot spitting out content early on which i read as soulless which translated into scummy because it felt more like effort for the sake of it but when i reached the end of all that he posted he seemed genuine. i don't think it's good for the game to kill him right now regardless of alignment because he's at least trying LMAO

[Ydrasse]

gamma is.... fine ??? he believes in his push on farkran i think and it's not like, the smartest push to make bc people seem decently good on farkran today so it's like... why, bc he's threatening to scum!gamma? idk he's like... okay

i'd shoot... bugspray??? flea... maybe

[Ydrasse]

from experience w flea fae can seem fun/lighthearted/etc as scum

[Ydrasse]

Right, did check on that, see that being fluffy is a nulltell for flea, was more in relation to attitude with regard to the venge. That doesn't answer why you fos flea though.

fae’s overall lack of urgency despite us having a small deadline for twilight and self-admittedly being like nah, i’m just here for the ride right now, doesn’t feel good to me at all. i dislike 185 a ton as well, weird shade on one person and then a vote on another; the issue i have with the shade flea threw down is that it’s... self aware and hypocritical but still trying to position another person as worse off.

maybe i’m being too harsh on flea not pushing things forward but a 2 day time limit would make me want to like... do things. it’s stressful lmao, and fae doesn’t even seem bothered by the chance of getting killed. it just feels incoherent when i compare it to the game we’re playing rn

[Ydrasse]

gamma is.... fine ??? he believes in his push on farkran i think and it's not like, the smartest push to make bc people seem decently good on farkran today so it's like... why, bc he's threatening to scum!gamma? idk he's like... okay

i'd shoot... bugspray??? flea... maybe

I don't particularly like gamma's catchup, but i might biased because he's targeting me

Other than that i find myself agreeing with ydrasse more than i wanted to. What do you think about this, ydrasse? Should i be worried?

nope i am a Friendly Town Player of Innocence!!!

should i be worried about you? my perception of you this game is that you’re perhaps? the most townread sans a read from someone i’m scumreading, so you’re either very town or very good scum. please don’t be scum

[Ydrasse]

i’d shoot in bugspray/flea right now slash redirect to them @costello

bugspray hasn’t been around since d1 and their posting isn’t very impressive? it’s hard to gauge based on the number but it’s all stuff that’s like... for me it’s pingy like, “oh this is a tiny bit scummy potentially” which is the best basis i have right now for a second scumread

or flea if you’re feeling a bit spicy

[Ydrasse]

my issue w you flea is that... i’m getting the same weird vibes that i had towards you in silent star. and given that i’ve played a game with you now where you didn’t set them off (booneytunez), im a little perturbed given how you’re acting this sort of chaotic carefree way. which, i know you always embrace and say you’re doing but it feels a bit... put on? this game

and you’re misinterpreting me if you think i’d have some issue with your trying to control a shot; it’s more your disinterest in things that bothers me so if that part was @ me Shrug

[Ydrasse]

like, clearly it’s not entirely in your control but costello hasn’t said he isn’t going to listen to us so why not go for it?

[Ydrasse]

Hectic seems to be as amused as I am by all this, has produced reads but I get a distance feel from him, Like I admit I'm sat poolside watching this unfold, Hectic feels more in the crowd seats.

I'm getting good vibes from Farkran, he feels like hes getting stuck in, not deep end level stuck in but kinda like testing the "DEEP WATER" line.

If I had to GTH a scumread rn I'd probably say Im leaning more towards catboi rn. The vibe is weird.

how am i supposed to interpret your hectic read too; like, it doesn’t say anything about his alignment. you make comments about farkran/catboi so what exactly does amusement and distance tell you?

[Ydrasse]

Sorry ydrasse, wasn't aware I needed to be urgent about something that frankly is completely beyond my control

Interesting how you interpret my post though :3 I'm by no means throwing shade on Hectic, he simply seems to wish to stay out of the splash zone for now. Knowing Hectic he'll make a lovely dive into the pool tomorrow.

That said, I am absolutely HOWLING that I am now scummy for

WANTING TO CONTROL THE SHOT

and

NOT WANTING TO CONTROL THE SHOT

*sniff sniff*

I do believe someone has bombed...

also if this part about you being scummy for wanting to the shot was at me... show me where i said that? because my issue is your lack of initiative and not a presence of it; my issue with your reads specifically was what you were saying at the start of 185 versus your vote.

[Ydrasse]

like i definitely think that post with the big bold letters is uhhhh. an overreaction, that you’re Howling and that moved over i think the first? scumread presented so far in a way thats meant to make anyone who thinks that feel silly which if you’re town isn’t a good move imo to get people to engage with you in “”good faith””

[Ydrasse]

okay back to work

[Ydrasse]

flea, it’s because of silent star 3 where my paranoia in part came from how you presented yourself that game and... it turned out correct, so, it’s a bit harder to move past that. inherently i have no problem with people having fun/messing around and i do too often! but this game specifically it feels less real than where i’ve seen otherwise.

fwiw don’t feel pressured to act a certain way or think you Have to be a beacon of chaos? like if you’re not feeling it don’t force yourself since i know that shit sucks

[Ydrasse]

oh hectic, how has madeline not been cautious this game? the wagon from early on?

i don’t think it’s fair to say she’s been cautious when... no one really expects the wagon like that to actually result in something, perhaps moreso in this player list? or are there other reasons?

she didn’t explain the thought process behind her read on you so i can’t comment if there is one or not but... idk!

[Ydrasse]

I've been playing Isaac again, on PS4. It's hard to pick a favourite character, but it's easy to pick the one I hate the most.

Fuck Keeper. Any pro-Keeper posts will be grounds for modkill. I couldn't write flavour this morning because I was too busy constructing a Keeper effigy to burn.

The

Special Twilight

will end in (expired on 2021-02-23 16:52:57).

just a reminder :<

[Ydrasse]

It looks like Ydrasse is trying to say two things at once there (you have and have not been cautious)
Ydrasse, your response? This is the second thing I’ve noticed of this type from you

what? i’m saying i don’t think she’s done anything especially cautious that’s worth pointing out so far wrt the early wagon as i thought that’s what hectic was basing off of

[Ydrasse]

what second thing have you noticed and have you pointed it out before someone prodded you on me?

[Ydrasse]

why not ask me...? if you did i missed it

[Ydrasse]

Concern for the deadline

so you believe that ydrasse believes that costello is more likely to be town than whoever they shoot and thus it would be bad if costello missed the deadline?

i asked because your train of thought here is like... i get it as something you would think knowing how you play but the timing of it seemed off?

like it’s very implicative of one very specific process that like... i don’t think ascribing to someone when they say concern from the deadline is fair. maybe i’m worrying too much about it but it feels like... you’re setting him up despite what he answers?

this is a lot of words to say i don’t get the timing of 349 despite talking to catboi

[Ydrasse]

fwiw the process was:

i’m at work better check the deadline
oh god wow that’s sooner than i thought, better remind everyone that we should try to decide

[Ydrasse]

nya ~

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: farkran

baaaaaa

[Ydrasse]

(e1)

[Ydrasse]

nya ~

catboi is irreplaceable but i would value ur thoughts anyway

that's how u kno ur not catboi, bcuz his opinions r trash LMAO

i don't have any thoughts right now because i didn't read the game over night but i can do that... maybe not right now but like, soon

erm

madeline weirded me out but i already feel a lil better about her today

i miss bugspray like fuckin crazy

[Ydrasse]

i dont want to speedrun this game and it ends up being right because i want more flavor

[Ydrasse]

so for me its like

btwn flea/farkran i guess ???????? i dont like having to read a slot by like, people adjacent to them but thems the ropes

wait they both actually visited hectic too

what were they gettin up to...

[Ydrasse]

mine

give it back

[Ydrasse]

im angry btw that i dont get to look smart because i was scumreading gamma at eod for being weird towards my posts

[Ydrasse]

madeline is also a maybe but i dont know how to differentiate "weird questions" from "trying to look productive by going down a weird rabbit hole of assumption/questioning"

bc like its unfair maybe to think madeline doesnt get anything out of what shes asking bc /i/ dont get something out of it

[Ydrasse]

if madeline is scum though i guess shes trying to recreate her like... Signature? line of questioning.

[Ydrasse]

thats a tinfoil

Bugspray i see you. post rn

[Ydrasse]

if madeline is scum though i guess shes trying to recreate her like... Signature? line of questioning.

eh feel like

a) if those questions are supposed to be representative of me

i should not queue games anymore

and

b) this ignores context of the situation

ya i recognize it's not a fair way to approach them/expectation to have of you which is why its in tinfoil land

[Ydrasse]

i wouldn't bet the game on roles alone because they could've been randomized out in a shitty pattern for scum to get a pt cop but, i will give farkran the benefit of the doubt on this one

which means

VOTE: flea

[Ydrasse]

like, if he's scum claiming pt cop

he doesn't have a lot of places to go right now

[Ydrasse]

i am fine with massclaim!

[Ydrasse]

hmmmm!!

[Ydrasse]

i want to claim i want to claim i have information that will lead to the arrest of the mafia

[Ydrasse]

Might be waiting a couple of weeks if bugspray is next tbh

^^^^^ can i go next pwease

[Ydrasse]

i lied about my information that catches mafia but

i'm the lost, and i can check one dead body per day to see what they do

whoever made catboi's ability scares me

[Ydrasse]

i don't think it;s related? huh?

[Ydrasse]

you aren't dead anyways so i can't see what you do u_u

catboi was isaac and basically, that role was a 1-shot d6. the d6, ydrasse, what is that? what does it do?

APPARENTLY catboi was holding a bomb in his hands that when he set it off could have rerolled all of our roles

[Ydrasse]

jesus what is HAPPENING

yeah no catboi's role was fucking busted

[Ydrasse]

there are so many words in it LMAO

[Ydrasse]

i'm a staunch anti-keeper activist i must admit for a variety of reasons

Keeper binding of isaac only serves as a memory to past memories.....

[Ydrasse]

it is not a favorite of mine!!! :<

[Ydrasse]

And now we wait 10 more for another ...

[Ydrasse]

Claim please

[Ydrasse]

i town

[Ydrasse]

The poe she is smallish

[Ydrasse]

my braincells won’t work until i go home

[Ydrasse]

no bully!!!!!!

[Ydrasse]

i’d never kill catboi he goes nya with me

[Ydrasse]

no clue why you're trying to read tone w/ ydrasse to begin with, major mistake imo

second bit she has to survive 3 elims ya she needs to stay safe as fuck lol

excuse you

[Ydrasse]

EXCUSE YOU stop it

[Ydrasse]

do you think gamma was bussing?

[Ydrasse]

do you think gamma was bussing?

no i don't think farkran is scum anymore ty for asking

go look at how he shaded me you goober

[Ydrasse]

you’re very silly

but that’s ok we can’t all get 100% readrate like me....

[Ydrasse]

if i am miselimmed we get more flavor and i can go nya in heaven (where townies go to like the movie all dogs go to heaven)

[Ydrasse]

he was shading meeeeee

[Ydrasse]

and i called him out for him making weird assumptions about my pooooosts and then i asked him something and he ignored the context i gave and made his own conclusions in his posts towards meeeeeee

[Ydrasse]

how does he knooooooow that

ahhhhhhh

[Ydrasse]

and i called him out for him making weird assumptions about my pooooosts and then i asked him something and he ignored the context i gave and made his own conclusions in his posts towards meeeeeee

i, uh,

idk if this is where u rly want 2 go rn

i simply do not care and will go where i will

[Ydrasse]

Also if you think this is the way i approach the game as scum being on my own knowing i have to survive multiple miselims by going aha nooooo not me you must realize i’m poking fun at the reads on me right now + i’m aware that this’ll be seen as wifom but like. clearly i’m smart enough to know wifom wouldn’t work on this table so lmao

[Ydrasse]

If he doesn’t townread me i’m going to be very angry at him No pressure hectic

[Ydrasse]

Me when i flip town and costello will stare into the mirror knowing his wrongs

[Ydrasse]

It looks like Ydrasse is trying to say two things at once there (you have and have not been cautious)
Ydrasse, your response? This is the second thing I’ve noticed of this type from you

what? i’m saying i don’t think she’s done anything especially cautious that’s worth pointing out so far wrt the early wagon as i thought that’s what hectic was basing off of

what second thing have you noticed and have you pointed it out before someone prodded you on me?

But like
Hectic said she wasn’t being cautious
It looks like you ended up agreeing with him as such

And you’ve had confusing takes on Flea (which looks paranoia-driven) and madeline (which seems like you started disagreeing with hectic on some level but reached the exact conclusion he did)

[Ydrasse]

My eyes are open to all this and yet everyone else’s are closed

I’m not even a good elim if you’re scum btw i’m dumb as rocks

[Ydrasse]

No not yet but,

Tr you and hectic

Bugspray is like. ya know.

madeline is my 3rd pick for scum

i explained my read on flea

farkran is very wily. admittedly this is a paranoia driven read and maybe unfair but also like my soul wouldn’t be surprised by it

it’s probably more fair to say madeline/flea

[Ydrasse]

Farkran’s vibes whispered to me unpleasantly

[Ydrasse]

madeline has a certain feeling this game that i’ve noticed all game and pinpointing it to specific posts would be tedious but doable if wanted but shes like. needly. it doesn’t feel like what i’m familiar w which is her town game

[Ydrasse]

i don't know, because you had bugspray in your poe day 1 even up through eod lmao

I would squish the bug to know the contents they don’t give

[Ydrasse]

Ya that’s how i play

[Ydrasse]

When my intuition is right she is right

[Ydrasse]

He won’t be if he isn’t scum

if he shows up and says yes he is scum and you have my blessing to power elim him tomorrow!!!

[Ydrasse]

Guys i don’t feel so good about this interaction

[Ydrasse]

Guys i don’t feel so good about this interaction

like you don't like that we don't like the 'i know it's unfair but'

or you think costello and i are mafia partners?

If you two are partners then i am lodging a complaint for the 3 person mafia team were being subjected to

Feels.... like there’s some pocketing here but idk who despite costello remarking you two felt the same which, should be him i think being indicated as mafia but

i feel like you have pattern recognition as a Skill and some part of me thought of mimicry and how you might have been intentionally... mirroring? before that comment

this is different than mafia pretending to be town

[Ydrasse]

the idea was i was copying madeline, not madeline was copying me

the style here is really just lowercase/shorthand for me because i do that sometimes when i feel like it, madeline does a lot of midthought linebreaks which i don't really do, generally i use linebreaks to separate out different thoughts or important next points. the exception w/ the similar linebreaks was yeet ydrasse to emphasize the usage

i know

i’m saying part of me wondered if madeline was copying you before it was brought up

[Ydrasse]

but that would probably have started today? if it’s a thing but that’s a lot to premeditate and do even if you recognize you can do it

[Ydrasse]

oh i forgot to claim it but my thing is holy mantle obvi

[Ydrasse]

@flea did you know beforehand what the poop would do? Could you choose a different gift if you wanted to?

The role reads to me as flavoured fruit giver. Given my character flavour, POOP!

As for not giving it to madeline, we're neighbours and I had hoped to gain her trust in the PT.

Given my poop giving is actually NAI as alignments and flavours mean nothing, and that scum can multitask it's literally just a bit of fun and nothing more.

I'd like to hear the rationale behind giving your gift to hectic without knowing what it would do

What was your read on hectic and what did you expect would happen?

It's a flavoured fruit giver. my role PM says "You can give someone a wonderful gift every night... it's poop."

I was Town leaning hectic and genuinely the only reason I chose hectic is he would pick up on the crumb and he gave me a heart.

I'm down for ydrasse at the moment, she seems more distant then I'd expect and the bad vibes are starting.

^ i'm also not moving my vote after this

what is "distant" and what are the bad vibes starting, and why are they only starting after someone's hard tunneling onto me?

[Ydrasse]

like how am i distant? what does that mean?

[Ydrasse]

like that feels like such a weird way to describe me compared to other people who haven't really been here this dayphase?

[Ydrasse]

how am i not engaged in this game though? where do you see that?

what of my posts isn't a lot coming from me? i'll give you the ones where i explicitly /said/ i wasn't going to post a lot yesterday but like

i literally have the third highest post count LMFAO

[Ydrasse]

no no, why are you backing off now that i'm calling you out on this?

[Ydrasse]

my enthusiasm for ss3 came at a certain point of the game because of the mechanics introduced

and also how am i paranoid? you literally said you're down for me after pressure on me started mounting

i don't think i'm 'cruising' at this point

[Ydrasse]

like people vocalizing 'i would like to kill this person' is not paranoia LMFAO

[Ydrasse]

in what world is that not pressure though, why are you playing semantics like this? like does it matter to distinguish those two given the circumstances?

i have 350 hours on isaac

[Ydrasse]

like that post feels like it says nothing at all to me because like... okay? sure? it's ~intent~ but that's pressure on me

and even if i was reacting to the unvote (which yeah, i was), you don't get to classify it as paranoia when you have said a few posts before that that you're down to kill me, expressing reasons for it.

paranoia would be people conspiring against me when they're not or something but you're sitting in this thread saying you'd kill me. lmao

[Ydrasse]

like holy shit LMAO

if you guys flip me literally just remember this shit as i am calling it out

[Ydrasse]

i'm not going to let you classify me not knowing your vote wasn't on me + the unvote as "paranoia" when you have outright said you would kill me.

[Ydrasse]

and it is worth reacting to when you're onboard after someone has tunnelled onto me and the reasons you gave have little weight to them. it feels opportunistic.

[Ydrasse]

i don't care if it moves you today, you aren't my audience because you're not going to move your stubborn, stupid tunnel off of me and there's not much i can do about that so like, have fun!

you're going to look dumb tomorrow if i'm fliipped!

[Ydrasse]

Sorry ydrasse, wasn't aware I needed to be urgent about something that frankly is completely beyond my control

This was D1. When I was mildly suspicious of you for looking to LHF me.

You've now dropped AtE en masse and I genuinely feel this is an amazing overreaction

Also if this IS a tunnel to you... wow... this is me idly poking someone I can interact with in realtime.

???? in what world am i talking about YOU TUNNELING ME

you're literally

taking all the points i am making and trying to twist them

to make me look worse

clearly the person who has been adding yeetdrasse to every post

is the person i am talking about

[Ydrasse]

my god

[Ydrasse]

YOU are not tunneled on me flea, you're just the opportunist jumping on board with it!

[Ydrasse]

like

costello is just /wrong/ unless there's some weird world where like

fuck, idk, catboi wanted to shoot gamma himself and did it and then costello knew this and killed catboi so people wouldn't find out? that seems stupid and unlikely though

[Ydrasse]

can you just vote me out then so tomorrow you can do whatever stupid plan you have and actually elim scum.

[Ydrasse]

ok then

[Ydrasse]

am here, will catch up quickly

admittedly got sort of unhappy/demotivated with the game so didn't give it much thought lately

[Ydrasse]

Based on these claims i think nobody fakeclaimed with the possible exception of Costello but once again that's just heavy paranoia

I'm starting to see flea town vibes though and i don't know what to make of it. I don't really fancy any of the other 3 as scum but the game is stalled.

@ydrasse can you answer my question in 725?
Also if you could please explain the process that led you to 646?

By rereading your iso i got this feeling that today you're always up to vote any fotm target whereas in d1 you were much less trigger happy especially wrt gamma (236, 260)

i explained my read wrt you is that it was someone based in bop and was unfair; i think in theory i am always like... okay to get rid of you because you scare me basically, as a player, and removing sources of anxiety/paranoia for me is like... unfair, yeah. but i do it. if i think someone is a strong scum player if a chance to get rid of them occurs when i'm not Hard Townreading Them occurs... i'm up for it. it's not good play but it's just how my mind works.

the things that i found like... disconcerting mainly were small, like. you saying that i was either town or really good scum is like... okay? that sort of thing pings me in general as a 'why bring this up' sort of deal, because it's a backhanded compliment that plants a seed of mistrust towards someone.

...but at the same time i feel the same way towards you so like, it's a hypocritical way to view you. you're either town, or really good scum, and i know for a fact you have a good scumgame so like, yeah. meta-based.

i believe i've already said though that you're not like... really preferred right now over going in flea/madeline. you're above them a tier. costello is functionally clear to me (or im treating him like that because the one scenario i've laid out where he's scum is really convoluted), i've played a lot w hectic and it just feels like... a hectic game. towngame basically bc i've only

played

with him as town and had to read scum games previous. bugspray is still like... nothing to me, if they flipped scum i wouldn't be surprised and at all but i don't have any real reason right now to think they're town or scum, and that's frustrating. i don't get anything from them and i don't know how to read them.

and then flea, who is like... so the thing is with flea, is that everyone will think fae sounds towny. silent star? people thought fae was towny and wholesome and stuff, and i did too! i had my paranoia there, and it turned out to be right (i will say: the mechanics/necessity of like, the mafia faction that game made it a bit more obvious when fae hammered at a certain point but even so.). fae's town in booneytunez? no scumread there from me. like... faer's not lhf, despite saying that. i really disagree with that and like, if i'm feeling some sort of way about flea's play this game, and i think that it feels off... it means something to me. and right now, i don't like fae's posting; it's a bunch of compositing together mechanical stuff which is useful, but like. it's frustrating to me because twice now flea's said i'm the play/good to go off of mechanics and then trying to add in a caveat like "but we can't do it all off mechanics" while still making clear that like, i am the pick!

it also frustrates me (that's the theme of this game right now and this isn't like... an attempt at ate, it's just my view of it) that like... i can't help that my item this game isn't a protective or whatever, lmao. it's thematic to who i rolled (the lost aka... a spirit. so seeing dead people's roles isn't like... weird) and the item/ability i have is literally just the item that the lost comes with. i can't... do anything about that, or argue it because it's what i have and it's what it was flavored as and it's annoying to be pushed on that basis because like, i can't do anything about it at all and it's dumb. i have what i have. if i knew people would decide that was a damning part of my game i would have reflavored it or something, but then people would be like, oh it's not holy mantle? so it's just a lose lose. rant over.

and then flea's like, ydrasse can get steam, her iso is bare... but like. how? what do these things mean? flea keeps saying a ton of things about me, about my role, that are vague, or they're slight distortions of the truth, or played up; i'm paranoid because i didn't realize an unvote wasn't from a vote on me, and not ""paranoid"" because like, you know, flea said fae's down to kill me and have made it more and more apparent as the day goes on. like, i'm not "fairly evaluating" flea because at this point it doesn't feel like fae is doing that for me at all, and it's scummy the things fae's said in my opinion, and fae keeps trying to get me to dig the hole deeper while handing me the shovel, but like, what else can i do when someone is doing this?

madeline feels different to me, and that means something in a game where i don't think anyone else feels especially different or scummy. from the start she's felt prickly in the way she presents herself, and like... i've never had these sorts of feelings before when she's been town. as town she feels good, and i rarely have these sorts of doubts on her, but this game i do! i read her posts and think, huh, there's a tone to them, and i don't really get what she's doing and i worry that she's trying to emulate what she sounds like as town, or trying to mirror people a bit, and just... going through the motions. that's what her game feels like to me, going through the motions right now. i could be wrong on this but like, she's my second scumread for a reason and it feels like these thoughts i have about her mean something.

and at this point like. i just don't wanna put in the effort for this game, and i don't want to self-vote but it feels like i'm at that point because me being flipped right now feels inevitable and like... i just don't wanna put in the effort for that. it's shitty but it is what it is, i'm being tunneled, i'm being told that i'm relying on other people to win the game for me, and it sucks and it hurts me a little bit even though it shouldn't (and i am sorry for being emotional over it) but like. idk what else to really say/do when most people are like "yeah sure, you're the flip" basically and only one of these people is mafia and the rest are just down for it and wrong and they're not seeing what i see.

[Ydrasse]

that's a really big wall, sorry, but yeah. that's where my head's at.

[Ydrasse]

Thats a bloomin good wall...

OK mechanically, I'm far and away the best elimination here, not you; and I've said that. Obviously, I'm not going to eliminate myself which puts me in the you/bugspray area of thinking.

I have said that I realised after going through all that, the mechanics can;t be looked too closely at as they're a separate and alignment unbalanced element her, so nobody from my end of things is being considered on mechanics.

SS3 was my like 3rd game on site, and ngl I am absolutely proud of that one. That game is going to be the one that follows me around forever. I have no problem with that

But going back to that... Your push on me was absolutely solid based on things that happened in game. You went into detail, when you were with us in game it felt like you were there and interacting and talking to us. Here you feel really different, theres no spark to your play at all and it genuinely has such a defeatist vibe to it all the way through.

In booneytoonz I think you were the only one really town reading me ftr I was all over the place in that game.

For me, my heart says say don't eliminate you - its a bad move.
My brain is wondering why I haven't seen a Final Spark yet...

Going back to the table, its me, you, madeline or bugspray.
I've had some good interactions with Madeline, I'm not going to push myself. To me its eliminate you and investigate bugspray, or eliminate bugspray and investigate you. Madeline role reveals to me tonight (in theory) and I am a prime suspect tomorrow regardless.

yeah, i spoke wrt your mechanical reads as in like. you can't consider yourself as the elim based off of it, sort of thing.

and in that game i feel like... i spent the entire first half of the game not having a reason to push on you though? i just kept reiterating you were a place of paranoia/a slot to look out for and it was only after a certain turning point that things began to coalesce into a true case against you. here, i feel like i've dove more into how you've posted/the things you're doing than i did in that game until the end of it before you got elimmed.

and part of that is that now that i know how you post as scum from that, i'm immune more to the chaos and don't just give in as like, seeing you as fluffy/pure as i was, etc. so it happens earlier on now that i'm realizing these things about your posting.

of course there's no spark to my play right now though. i've said i feel that it's like... inevitable right now that i'm flipped, and it's not fun to me much. i am trying and my efforts aren't... getting me anywhere. like, at this point i don't even know if i should stay in the game and let the pt cop check me because like, endgame i genuinely think people will find a reason around that and get me elimmed if it gets to 3p. i'm a liability fmpov right now and it's not fun to recognize that and recognize that scum is probably like, intentionally making me one? idk. i said i didn't want to self vote but also, i would probably. i don't like doing it in practice because ~play to win~ but atp it feels like it is playing to win for everyone so they can power through other slots.

[Ydrasse]

Genuinely sorry about 844 by the way-it did describe how I feel/felt but having read the full post now I 100% would not make that in hindsight

it's okay, i just don't find this game like... yeah.

can you just, succinctly write up at some point why you think i'm the flip? i know the reasons are spread out throughout your iso most likely, or if there are some you haven't posted could you do that, or like. like 844, why is what i am posting not doing it for you? what do you take issue with?

my issue with interacting with you/reading through your iso to see these things is that i feel a lot of it gets eaten up by like, you just saying elim me, yeet me, etc, and it's like. difficult to really... fight against someone saying that repeatedly, and it's even more draining because i do think you're most likely town and i don't know what the disconnect is between us.

[Ydrasse]

the main games i'm basing my meta off of are here and here.

i don't think booneytunez will give you much, because i didn't post a lot on that hydra (rei and asuka, i'm rei), but in private when talking about the game flea wasn't in my personal solves and though fae got eliminated, we weren't on that wagon because, yeah; though i didn't interact a lot from reading flea fae felt more genuine to me that game coming off of ss. silent star is the meat of my feelings though and there are more actual interactions there to read.

[Ydrasse]

like, idk, maybe it's frustrating to me because i don't feel like it's bad faith since the same thing is happening again except this time i don't spend half a game dismissing my paranoia on flea, and this time i'm trying to make an effort to verbalize why instead of saying, gutping, paranoia, etc.

and i don't think my reasons are bare/weak, like, they're in the context of my interactions w flea and those interactions feel bad, like i'm being taken out of context and twisted in a very subtle fashion, and a lot of that is how flea's posts present (and like, i feel bad about being wrong on this bc i like... i don't want flea to not act like faerself during a game bc of this sort of stuff) in this dramatic way that play up when people do something ""bad"" or something to jump upon, and when it comes to continuing on when interacting w that person just slowly drop in things to make faerself look better. idk. i'm willing to admit i might be tunneled but for playing w someone who has seen me before i don't get the things fae's saying about my game at all.

[Ydrasse]

and also like... whether or not you're the de facto leader of this game, you've claimed in essence a shot on scum which does make you one imo; there's some paranoia but like, it doesn't make sense to consider you as scum unless it's necessary i think? or at least, that's how i'm treating my tinfoil theory on you. and so people listen. and it's just another thing on the table for me i guess, to have someone who has this status in the game keep pushing on me is like...

idk, i don't know you as a player but it doesn't seem like (@costello obvi. i should make this stuff clear) you're really reconsidering any of them + have locked into your reads for the day and that's that. that's the impression i get from you and now we're ~talking~ more at least so maybe that can change.

[Ydrasse]

it's also like, the mech plan, the thing about it is is that if the right prs are town in it (pt checker, the neighborizer?/closing neighborhood, whatever) it makes sense to kill me which. sucks. i get it but it just sucks. and this all feels for not.

[Ydrasse]

no, like, there's part of me that recognizes that i might be tunneled, but i also don't want to ignore the feelings that i had in a previous game when that could have cost me that one. it'd feel wrong. flea could be town here, but i just don't... get that. and i know that pings are very nebulous too which isn't a very helpful case but if it worked before for reading a specific person i'm inclined to trust it again.

i don't really know what else to say to your confidence right now though because i /know/ that it's wrong, and i have opinions on who it's wrong on but i don't know if you'll really reconsider that i guess until the proof that you are wrong is dished out, i guess? that sounds mean and i really don't intend it to be like that, but, that's just how it is for me rn.

don't wear yourself down over one game though, if you're mafia'd out it's best to give it a rest, don't reread it those other five times, maybe once or twice or something since it is short but, yeah.

[Ydrasse]

i have defined stances in my head and i outlined them vaguely but to be more concise it’s

(hectic, costello***)
(farkran, bugspray)
(flea, madeline)

bugspray right now isn’t someone i’d prefer but that’s more for mechanical reasons; i can’t really read them this game and if they’re town i don’t want to get rid of our protective. content wise i don’t get pulled one way or another strong enough to care if they were elimmed if it was based just on that. actually that’s a lie, thinking about it when i’m being pinged elsewhere more heavily gives me less reason to want to elim them. also in theory i think if they’re mafia claiming protective if we get down to 3p with them still around it might be a little telling? unless mafia gets frisky with what they’re doing at night but, yeah.

[Ydrasse]

the thing about madeline is that we share the same theory on costello right now which, i don’t know what that says about madeline to me. like, she’s right, it’s convenient for costello how things played out and it’s a power move and a half if he is mafia but what would that like... how does it play out?

i’ve been thinking about this a bit like my mind keeps going to this theory, maf!costello picks catboi to work with, he sets up the crumbs because like he doesn’t have a choice w/o looking scummy to catboi i think? they discuss it privately, and like. the thing is is that we don’t actually know if catboi deferred to costello; we’re just taking his word for it right now. catboi didn’t get a chance to talk with anyone about what happened in the pt, it’s entirely possible that costello was defending gamma and then they disagreed, and post flip they’re stuck in there together until catboi gets shot — in this world too there’s rarely going to be a protective/watcher/etc on catboi, only the person who’s in the spotlight.

i think that might explain the lack of reroll from catboi too? like it’s already chaotic but also you don’t wanna give mafia another role/power when they’ve used what they’ve got.

[Ydrasse]

that is very... convoluted though, and we don’t have proof of it going down like that but that’s basically my asterisks next to costello this game.

it just seems easier to like... treat costello as town despite this for now and deal with that world when/if we need to.

[Ydrasse]

oh actually, catboi’s ability was a day ability so he couldn’t have even rerolled if he wanted to, my bad

[Ydrasse]

i almost want that theory to be true though because, what a play if so

[Ydrasse]

Phoneposting

I HATE when people call bad faith on things. I know exactly what ydrasse is talking about, and yeah she's 100% on she was constantly calling her paranoia on me.

Thing there was "I don't know what it is... But it is". Over here she's trying to use meta arguments against me. I know people are going to meta dive, I have all my games on my wiki page, as well as various health conditions that do have an impact on my play and can often make me inconsistent - these don't dismiss my play, just provide some insight.

In this game I am WAY less fluffy than I usually am as either alignment and it's a site wide trend at the moment that I've lost my fluff. If anything that should make me easier to read :p

Ngl it blows being the logical elimination. Because mechanically that's me rn as the anomaly.
I know I'm town, I'm confident Madeline is as everyone else is pretty much clear. Bugspray will in theory protect Farkran tonight, Farkran investigates them and either me or you are eliminated.

Ngl I'm going to fight to survive. I loving this game <3

also: it isn’t just meta, that i am reading you on. like, the contents of your posts irrespective of that ping me; i’ve pointed out that really dramatic one where you made text big, the place where you call me paranoia, little things here and there that i would dislike from your posting whether or not we had played together before.

i’m using meta against you, but not just that, and even /that/ is the very sort of thing that i’m talking about with your posting flea. it’s reductive to elements that are part of things sure, but ignore the context of what i’m actually doing or only say the bare minimum about me.

[Ydrasse]

oh my god what is happening

you know this plan is starting to feel like more trouble than it’s worth because it doesn’t catch scum foolproof and a lot of it rests i feel on like... the right roles i guess being town and it’s a crapshoot on that and i don’t wanna base who we elim/what we do on that blindly since everyone probably trueclaimed and we’d just be doing mindless sheep stuff going down the line

[Ydrasse]

so erm that being said

flea can you give me what your reads actually are this game? i know a few of them but it feels like half the story and you’re focusing a LOT on bruteforcing mech wins rather than reaaaallly solving?

[Ydrasse]

so erm that being said

flea can you give me what your reads actually are this game? i know a few of them but it feels like half the story and you’re focusing a LOT on bruteforcing mech wins rather than reaaaallly solving?

like uh i feel as scum you’re doing what... i expect, townlocking madeline, scumreading me, uhhh. you have some read on hectic that i remember is “amused” but nothing else feels really fleshed out

[Ydrasse]

i’m also leery of the neighborhood bc i feel like we’ve only gotten vague impressions of the vibes/dynamic but not whats said in them/what was spoken about?

if either of you two have posted it already i’d like to be directed to it pls

[Ydrasse]

pocketing basically but idk who to who, it’s just hard to gauge without knowing what was spoken about i guess? who said what first, etc,

and yes pls

[Ydrasse]

mod: v/la until the 6th

i’m keeping my vote on flea for now, irl happening. will see how much i can be around.

i appreciate the reads list but it feels very cagey. and thanks for explaining the pt to us. it doesn’t do much for me to know this after reading it but it’s appreciated regardless.

[Ydrasse]

vibes were not here today, uh.

seems like we're going to just scumhunt instead of mechs? cool.

i'll think more about flea and maybe post tomorrow or something like that about fae. madeline is... a fine vote, i think. i don't know what i make of the past few pages though. idk

maybe i should look more at the others outside of them but meh, right now

[Ydrasse]

costello, would you put on this much ate as scum? obvi you’re going to tell me yes if you’re scum but like... ya know, have to ask.

[Ydrasse]

err, tell me no, rather.

[Ydrasse]

right now i think we should uhhhh. handwave mechanics frankly. they’re useful but we spent like half the day on a plan it feels like that ultimately means nothing and i’m kinda sick of talking about them LMAO

[Ydrasse]

i guess that that frustration would be hard to fake/sustain over the course of day phases which like, i think our plan allowed you to live through barring nightkills (but since this is scum theoretical, yeah, etc)

hum

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: Farkran

[Ydrasse]

i'm not even gonna say anything LMAO

nice job hectic

[Ydrasse]

And my apologies for suspecting you Ydrasse

it's okay <3 we got there in the end

[Ydrasse]

i'm laughing so fucking hard

[Ydrasse]

i dont even know whats happening

im a dumbass he should have just let me be cleared LMAO

[Ydrasse]

sorry flea btw <3

[Ydrasse]

me this game

[Ydrasse]

you're welcome for the carry guys.....

[Ydrasse]

honestly, you're all welcome, i'm so glad that i singlehandedly caught farkran for you all

no need to thank me

[Ydrasse]

no, no, don't let that CLOWN get any of the glory... all me

[Ydrasse]

no, no, don't let that CLOWN get any of the glory... all me

(<3 u hectic)

[Ydrasse]

thank you for modding! <3 i loved the flavor this game so much, it was great!

gg everyone!!