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Post Post #129 (isolation #0) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:19 pm

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In post 22, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Why not?
Eh there's actually good reason to not claim some flavors, mine included, since the sort of PR for it is very obvious (tho I assume people will figure it out eventually anyway :P).
In post 48, April Ludgate wrote:I'm a dragon, rawr! watch me fly through the sky breathing fire
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Town. <3
(High chance that if this hydra ever dies it's due to a scum strongman because there's no good reason to not protect them.)
In post 45, Battle Mage wrote:VOTE: april ludgate
Also town but scum shooting him is more okay. :P
In post 28, WhemeStar wrote:VOTE: PENGUIN POWER
In post 42, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:VOTE: Korina - Unfortunately dogs to tend to make rather a lot of mess while at the table.
In post 46, Raya36 wrote:VOTE: PenguinPower
Town?
In post 9, Korina wrote:VOTE: Korina
First
In post 14, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: mastina
In post 49, Noraabear wrote:VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors
Scum?
In post 44, April Ludgate wrote:Last Animals UPick, certain roles could only target certain types of animals, so I advise not to claim animals
Scum. <3

VOTE: April Ludgate
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Post Post #132 (isolation #1) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:27 pm

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In post 79, Superb Subtlety wrote:VOTE: April Ludgate
Sure you can be town too. :P

Smoke and Mirrors (Nancy Drew 39 + Pooky)
Battle Mage
Superb Subtlety (alisae + jjh)

Mad Hatters Tea Party
WhemeStar
Raya36

Rathe
TheFuzzylogic99
PenguinPower

Korina
Noraabear

April Ludgate

Locktown lean town more null (reconsidered PP to be there) lean scum scumread.
Let's light the scum up. <3
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Post Post #139 (isolation #2) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:06 pm

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In post 133, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.
Hey in this game I've extra incentive to. :P

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side. :P
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Post Post #144 (isolation #3) » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:19 pm

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In post 142, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:
In post 139, mastina wrote:
In post 133, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.
Hey in this game I've extra incentive to. :P

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side. :P
Interesting, blazing the trail, and yet not lighting the way.
I mean trailblazing and lighting the way aren't mutually exclusive. :P
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Post Post #224 (isolation #4) » Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:58 pm

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As a reminder: I am incredibly V/LA this weekend due to lifeguard training. I'm somewhat busy, but I think I can spare some time.
In post 156, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Krazy gave us the funnest role in this entire game.
I counterclaim funnest role ever. :P

(Krazy gave me literally the most fun role possible of all time, if I claim it, you'll understand why. :P)
In post 204, Noraabear wrote:As for why, I'm going to conditionally explain (ie if SOMETHING specific that I'm looking for happens, I will explain)
You're gonna be awfully disappointed. :P

I'm never going to be eliminated during the day (tho I will be killed by the scum EVENTUALLY whether they try or not), because people have learned better than to eliminate me when I'm this role. :P

I do have to use it properly tho and part of proper usage of it is not claiming it. :shifty:
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Post Post #298 (isolation #5) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:50 pm

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In post 247, Superb Subtlety wrote:Ali literally just messaged me asking about why nothing was happening in this game
I think Koalawang is probably the distraction here
VOTE: Korina
is always a good vote
I mean while it is good fun, it is basically an extended rvs, so in terms of generating content, it is fairly damaging to that end, yes. There is some content to be had; when Smoke/Mirrors said that those who refused to participate in koalabear were automatically suspect, they weren't
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wrong: most of the players participating I explicitly townread and fairly strongly so now. I think the game was good for generating townreads, and to that effect it was incredibly successful.

But in progressing the game past the rvs, giving meaningful content with reads and reasons, not so much. (To put it another way, think of the pichu/Ydrasse talk: that was fluffy as fluff could be and it generated meaningful mutual townreads between both of them on the other--but while it was good for them generating townreads, it didn't give the game as a whole any further content, and koalaball is similar to that. Gives good townreads, but doesn't generate content beyond the townreads that progresses the game.)

As for the Korina vote--it is indeed a good one, tho April's a better one imo. (Would join on Korina tho, I just think April's got an even better chance of flipping scum here.)
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Post Post #328 (isolation #6) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:11 pm

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In post 253, WhemeStar wrote:King thought mastina was known to type in wall posts did they change or do I remember wrong
I do both. Shorter posts when it's more appropriate, longer posts when it's more appropriate.

Also in this game the extended rvs gives me less content to work with--it's not really my thing, it's not really my style, it's something that I can look at as an observer, smile, and appreciate it, enjoying it as a viewer, and get some good townreads from it, but I don't really know what to do with it as a starting point for content.

To give a metaphor for this. When I am at a family gathering that has dance, beit slowdance or more modern dance: I will be there, but I'll be sitting down, watching the dancers. I will smile, appreciate them from my seat, enjoy their dancing as an observer, and generally be around, and enjoying it, but not being a part of it. If I was asked to be a part of the dance, I wouldn't know where to begin, I'd be hesitant, I'd be out of my depths, I'd be uncomfortable, as a participant I'd be miserable, awkward, and not having a good time, in spite of being involved in the activity.

Which is to say the activity is more fun for me to watch than it is for me to participate in. There's plenty of games that work that way, too. I'll watch streamers play games that I myself would never play. (A prominent one: Dead by Daylight. I would never play killer because I don't really like first-person gameplay. I would never play survivor because playing survivor requires precision timing gameplay where you press the right buttons at precisely the right time and the right time is not something you know in advance. Yet in spite of me never wanting to play that game, it is one of my favorite games to watch and I've watched literally hundreds of hours of gameplay on it because I enjoy it as a viewer.)

Same basic principle here. The koala game is fun, and is good for me to watch, and I am getting townreads from the players playing it.
But I just...don't know what to do with it. I can state the townreads I suppose, and I can reiterate that gives the game a small POE for who the scum are likely to be.
In post 132, mastina wrote:Smoke and Mirrors (Nancy Drew 39 + Pooky)
Battle Mage
Superb Subtlety (alisae + jjh)

Mad Hatters Tea Party
WhemeStar
Raya36

Rathe
TheFuzzylogic99
PenguinPower

Korina
Noraabear

April Ludgate
...But I already did so and it's a bit hard to explain further beyond that.

Smoke and Mirrors radiate town in a way I've never seen before. They're truly a fire worthy of me, and I am naturally attracted to them as a strong townread here.

Battle Mage did not participate in koalawang, but his handling of the game has looked town. In hindsight, I may have placed him slightly too high, but I still think he's north of null this game.

Superb Subtly is very obviously town this game.

Mad Hatter Tea Party looks pretty damn town but I admit to unfamiliarity there and inability to tell how strongly so.
WhemeStar has looked incredibly town--tho I lack familiarity, the more and more WhemeStar posts the more I see town. In fact it's probably best to say that WhemeStar and Battle Mage's positions should be reversed: Whemestar as locktown with Battle Mage north of null but not in the same locktown tier as WhemeStar and Smoke/Mirrors and Superb Subtlety.
Raya and PenguinPower's participation in Koalawang is the perfect example of townreads generated from the event (PP was too low in the last readslist imo).

Rathe's literally naked voting with nothing more, so no koala play there and fully null.
TFL has been pretty null, fairly lackluster, but is still overall okay in not being south of null imo.

Then we get into the scumreads who're lackluster in a bad way and by no coincidence, none of them participated in koalawang.

So updated readslist:

Smoke and Mirrors (Nancy Drew 39 + Pooky)
Superb Subtlety (alisae + jjh)
WhemeStar

Mad Hatters Tea Party
Raya36
PenguinPower
Battle Mage

TheFuzzylogic99
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April Ludgate

Loosely, locktown, strong town, null, scumread, strong scumread.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #7) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:14 pm

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In post 282, Superb Subtlety wrote:It's a good wagon though
It is indeed!

VOTE: Korina

So Imma join it.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #8) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:17 pm

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In post 286, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:The apathy of the town is beginning to worry me a bit. Both April and Korina said they are both apathetic toward this game.
As a hint: it'll help you when you realize that neither of them is actually town. :P

While I've nothing but gut for why Korina is scum here, April being scum here as apathetic is actually something I DO have reason for:

While FL is a player who can get apathetic as either alignment, statistically speaking, he is apathetic more often as scum (due to burnout from previous scumgames) more than as town.

It's not a surefire lock-scumtell, but it's better than random in accuracy. I'd say in the 60-75% range. Which is to say, in 25-40% of his games where he is apathetic FL will be apathetic-town but in the majority of them, the 60-75%, he is scum.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #9) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:23 pm

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In post 301, Korina wrote:I'm going to just hardclaim then: I'm a coroner. What purpose is there for a scum coroner?
When there's a town vig that janitors, to name just one example.

Suffice to say this is a fine instance tho of role != alignment. I do not think that in a Krazy game a claim of coroner is a town-only role.

If your plan was to coast by on claim alone, it aint gonna work. I'll want to see content from you and so far it is lacking in townness.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #10) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:28 pm

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In post 329, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Regardless of GIF posting, you could have still posed questions and interacted with others here.
Posted questions about what?
Give interactions with what?
What would you think in the koalawang content I'd have questions about? Can you point to anything question-worthy within?
What would you think in the koalawang content I'd have interactions with which I didn't already interact with? I was already stretching thin to get what interactions I did.

I realize that koalawang was good fun. I realize it generated some good townreads. But it was incredibly hard for me to play during because it's not something that I can really. Well. Do anything during. (I am an incredibly reactive player. As in, I react to things rather than being proactive. What am I supposed to react to in koalawang? I had nothing to contribute to the koalawang game and the non-koalawang game content to react to was very sparse.)

The immediate uptick in activity from me after it has ended should be evidence enough of this. :P
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Post Post #345 (isolation #11) » Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:30 pm

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In post 340, Rathe wrote:
In post 329, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Regardless of GIF posting, you could have still posed questions and interacted with others here.
k thoughts on april n wheme?
April's town, Wheme's scum.

I know this wasn't directed to me, but like I said: I've been stretched fairly thin in terms of finding content here so anything I can get, I will use. :P
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Post Post #411 (isolation #12) » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:26 am

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In post 362, Raya36 wrote:How can you locktown whemestar?
Because while I lack the familiarity with WhemeStar as scum, everything WhemeStar is doing and posting radiates town in a way that I don't see as coming from scum.

Basically, there's three metrics by which I read players (in reverse order of how I normally present them):
Peer Pressure/Popular Opinion influence, where I take the reads of players who I respect the capabilities of and think to be town into consideration; if I think these players who I respect are town and they are saying something, I'm influenced by their position. (Not relevant.)

Meta influence, where I am influenced by a player's meta--I lack this on WhemeStar.

And general generic metrics, the initial universal standard, but which can be changed and influenced by the other two (some generic towntells are either much stronger towntells for specific players or even scumtells for specific players; some generic scumtells are either much stronger scumtells for specific players or even towntells for specific players, thus the use of meta influence and peer pressure)--by the general generic metric, WhemeStar is literally as town as it gets.

I realize I lack the meta experience to tell if that generic townplay is actually town.
But lacking said meta experience, I am going to call that townplay as being town. :P
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Post Post #412 (isolation #13) » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:30 am

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In post 363, Noraabear wrote:She called me scum the moment she entered the thread and it was a STRONG read, yes? Why didnt she vote me?
Did I?
Because I'm PRETTY sure that...
In post 132, mastina wrote:Korina
Noraabear

April Ludgate

lean scum scumread.
...while I did have a scumread on you, it wasn't strong--my only strong scumread is April...the slot I did actually vote.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #14) » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:36 am

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In post 364, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:I do believe this may well be a Town Aligned Mastina, and I fear I will know for sure come tomorrow.
Well there's like at least a 33-50% chance that the entire town will know I'm town tomorrow, depending on how the night plays out. (I have a conditional way to become publicly confirmed, but it requires certain conditions to be met and those conditions are entirely out of my control.)
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Post Post #416 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:52 am

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In post 389, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Can you explain your srs on Korina, Noraabear and April? Thanks.
Well Noraabear I think this is her scumgame here--she pointed out being V/LA, being busy, being swamped, being overgamed, and insists that this is not alignment indicative. But while I empathize with being busy, being swamped, being overgamed, as reasons to not radiate your normal town energy, in actual gameplay Noraabear I think is scum for in general what she is and isn't doing.

Notably, lacked life and was the worst possible vote in the game. Beyond that, she didn't participate in koalawang when I think that koalawang would be right up her alley. The reserved style doesn't fit with her being town. She's lacking in passion and in radiating town energy. There's a difference between "I'm busy, burned out, and overgamed, but I'm still town here and that should be obvious" with her doing town things, and "I'm busy, burned out, and overgamed so scumreads on me for not being more active are sus!!!" with her doing nothing.

Korina is gut.

April I explained the main reason in but beyond that? Gut. April's entrance into the game looked like scum and everything April has done has looked like scum--apathetic scum, but scum nonetheless.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #16) » Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:56 am

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In post 415, Rathe wrote:
In post 345, mastina wrote:
In post 340, Rathe wrote:
In post 329, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Regardless of GIF posting, you could have still posed questions and interacted with others here.
k thoughts on april n wheme?
April's town,
Wheme's scum.
It should be fairly obvious that was a typo on my part.

April's scum, Wheme's town.

I accidentally typed them in the wrong order because I have the "cross two different wordings of the same sentence in the wrong order which gives them the opposite intended meaning" issue. (For instance, "X is not scum" and "X is town" mean the same thing, but I can cross the wires and accidentally say "X is not town" or "X is scum" taking half from one and half of the other and accidentally giving it the opposite meaning. I don't think that's dyslexia but it's probably a similar condition to it.)

It should be pretty damn obvious I've rather consistently had April as scum and Wheme as town. :P
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Post Post #435 (isolation #17) » Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:10 pm

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In post 423, Raya36 wrote:Why does whemestar radiate town to you? What about him do you like? How is he town by the general generic metric?
Wheme's entrance into the rvs was fluid and organic--it looked like a town-rvs post.

WhemeStar participated in koalawang, struggling with gifs but went out of their way to try in spite of this issue--it'd be easy to go "I don't know how to post gifs" and then use that as an excuse to not try; WhemeStar tried, multiple times.

WhemeStar was having fun during the rvs--casual, laid back, relaxed, effortless and fluid posting. This is very very hard for scum to pull off well, but it's very clear that WhemeStar was enjoying himself.

When it came to content, his vote was a good one. While I personally don't have TFL as a scumread, off of TFL's overall-lackluster content I can see where WhemeStar was coming from.

Overall, the fun vibes, the chill atmosphere, the casual laid back nature while still trying to produce content and have reads (like an initial struggle to get scumreads) radiates town energy as strongly as is possible with no meta on a slot.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #18) » Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:15 pm

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In post 428, Noraabear wrote:I have a very strange looking rolepm
I'm somewhat skeptical of this--mine has three images (one from each mod), but the role's name and effect are, mostly, largely self-explanatory and the formatting fairly clear as to what they do.
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Post Post #666 (isolation #19) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:14 pm

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In post 453, Noraabear wrote:Town godfather is a suicidal claim on day 1 because it has never showed up in MS history and godfathers are almost always scum.
Actually people from my generation ran town godfathers a bunch of the time, myself included. Krazy is among those that would, too.
In post 455, Raya36 wrote:I agree that he is coming off naturally, although I don't really consider that something difficult for scum early game, especially when the start of the game is like a long rvs.
Sure but the naturalness has continued.
In post 462, Noraabear wrote:Korina can be scum for throwing shade on my flavor which is absolutely stupid and makes zero sense. In a game like this, scum are probably given fake claims and town knows that. Someone with a 2018 join date can't possibly not know that.
I'm inclined to agree that Korina is scum here and on that note am now second-guessing the initial scumread I had on Noraabear. :P

(I don't think Noraabear is scum anymore.)
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Post Post #669 (isolation #20) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:22 pm

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In post 599, Noraabear wrote:Lol tbh this bullshit reaction overall to my claim is just like conftowning me.
Honestly? I legit don't think you're wrong; I kinda agree.

I see the town in your play. Your claim doesn't conftown you, but the circumstances surrounding it might, because Korina's reaction to it does scream scum.

VOTE: Korina
I'm not sure if I moved here already but I am all too happy to be on this wagon.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:24 pm

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In post 606, Superb Subtlety wrote:I don't think that most people would have the audacity to claim a town godfather as scum.
The key word here being
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players wouldn't claim town godfather. :P
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Post Post #674 (isolation #22) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:33 pm

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In post 646, Battle Mage wrote:can someone give me a list of claims and mech stuff? not my forte
Smoke and Mirrors--technically unclaimed, but Koalawang is a mod-confirmed mechanic that they are responsible for, which gives prizes each day to the winners. The prize for today was apparently a proxy-vote for the winner.
Noraabear--Snow Leopard, Town Godfather.
Korina--coroner

I think those are the only three tho there may have been other flavor claims and there's been plenty of softclaims. Image
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Post Post #675 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:35 pm

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In post 656, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:I would appreciate more input from Rathe. I find this slot to be incredibly lacking and demotivated. If I may be blunt I don't believe people are even aware of this slot.
POE suggests third scum with Korina and April as the other two.
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Post Post #677 (isolation #24) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:37 pm

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Smoke and Mirrors (Nancy Drew 39 + Pooky)
Noraabear
Superb Subtlety (alisae + jjh)
WhemeStar

Mad Hatters Tea Party
Raya36

PenguinPower
Battle Mage

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Post Post #685 (isolation #25) » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:45 pm

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So uhhhh...looks like we need a new game mod...
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Post Post #719 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:45 am

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In post 687, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote: Please explain how Wheme is town when he has not done anything and has bearly scum hunted so far this game.
In post 435, mastina wrote:
In post 423, Raya36 wrote:Why does whemestar radiate town to you? What about him do you like? How is he town by the general generic metric?
Wheme's entrance into the rvs was fluid and organic--it looked like a town-rvs post.

WhemeStar participated in koalawang, struggling with gifs but went out of their way to try in spite of this issue--it'd be easy to go "I don't know how to post gifs" and then use that as an excuse to not try; WhemeStar tried, multiple times.

WhemeStar was having fun during the rvs--casual, laid back, relaxed, effortless and fluid posting. This is very very hard for scum to pull off well, but it's very clear that WhemeStar was enjoying himself.

When it came to content, his vote was a good one. While I personally don't have TFL as a scumread, off of TFL's overall-lackluster content I can see where WhemeStar was coming from.

Overall, the fun vibes, the chill atmosphere, the casual laid back nature while still trying to produce content and have reads (like an initial struggle to get scumreads) radiates town energy as strongly as is possible with no meta on a slot.
Also he has scumhunted.
In particular you may note that WhemeStar has pushed me as being scum.

Some players pushing me as scum when I am defending them? Not a towntell for them. If they are an FL-style player, they would be unafraid to make a push on me as scum even if I am not pushing them.
Most players pushing me as scum when I am defending them? Town. So long as they aren't an FL-style player, the paranoia is more likely to come from town especially since scum that aren't FL-style players are intimidated by me. (At my highest highs, I am a legitimate threat so incurring my wrath isn't something they're likely to risk unless they have no choice. Actively scumreading me when I'm defending them is a way to potentially reverse my wrong read into a right one, thus, not something a scum player is likely to do unless they're FL-style players.)
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Post Post #787 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:40 am

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Fair warning: I REALLY don't feel like posting right now (I've been, for a while, rather badly depressed and it affects my motivation to play and the amount of effort that I put in), but given that I'll be V/LA this weekend for the sake of a different community, I kinda feel like I have to post here, so.
In post 723, Superb Subtlety wrote:As an aside, I'm half surprised Mastina hasn't made any comment about this apparent return to my classic playstyle
I mean largely it's irrelevant--classic jjh I write off as town without putting much thought into it; revised jjh I largely write off as town without putting much thought into it. :P

(You're easy to townread and I'm disinclined to reassess that ease of initial townread even if I know it is objectively not reliable.)
In post 729, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@Masita- I am scum bc I am not pushing you/voting on you. HUH????????????????????????????
I think you have me confused for someone else? I'm not calling you scum at all. You're mostly a null read but are at or north of null, not south of it.
In post 729, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:it almost feels like you want to be killed.
Oh I do, by the scum. :P

It'll be something that they can't avoid doing btw. It'll happen whether they want it to or not, because they can't prevent it. I am going to be killed by the scum; I'm too powerful for them to not.
In post 736, WhemeStar wrote:I just feel like town is weak
Claimed
town might be weak, but I assure you that
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In post 730, WhemeStar wrote:The king is a janitor.
I believe this and believe it to be town.

Consequentially, it makes me think even more that Korina is scum. :P
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Post Post #948 (isolation #28) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:05 pm

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In post 877, Battle Mage wrote:where mastina declared immortality
Funny you should mention immortality given my role. :shifty:
(I gave Krazy three picks, my first which he went with has a strong association with that word.)
In post 794, Noraabear wrote:VOTE: Mastina
this is town and anyone not agreeing with it will be looked at tomorrow after her green flip/scum shot.
Fixed that for you.
In post 807, Raya36 wrote:I don't like all this softclaiming of having such a super strong role. This isn't how town handles having a strong PR on day 1
It is when you know what the role is and the player handling it. :P

I can get away with softing it because scum can't do anything about it.

Claiming the role is sub-optimal D1, but it doesn't really matter
that
much--the play is mostly the same regardless of whether I claim it, don't claim it with softclaims, or don't claim it with no claims. I just prefer the middle option because I like to. :P

I guarantee that were I to claim you would know why I've said everything I have and agree with it, that everything I said was true, that there isn't MUCH of a difference between me claiming it and not claiming it, but that I am right in my assessment that while it doesn't matter much, claiming it on D1 is still notably suboptimal to not claiming it.

Plus, scum aren't gonna
actually
guess my role in spite of the softclaims. They can't. I am so confident that they can't guess my role that it allows me that freedom to softclaim all I like. I can be as blatant as I want with my soft; the scum still won't know what hits 'em until I fullclaim.
In post 831, Superb Subtlety wrote:If anyone else votes there I will hold you personally accountable for what happens afterwards
I mean.
In post 826, Xtoxm wrote:
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~ April Ludgate, Korina, Rathe, Whemestar, Noraabear
The slot has my three scumreads on it in the order of strength on them (April > Korina > Rather strongest to weakest), plus a player who I initially scumread that's prone to OMGUS'ing and tunneling even if the player who scumread them later revisits that read and thinks it to not be true anymore (Noraabear); the only vote there which is clearly town and yet not easily explained is Whemestar.
In post 878, Battle Mage wrote:which means mastina and rathe wagons both on town. to revisit
It's possible rathe is town but rathe is a poe scumread of mine.

I realize rathe is LHF--but the poe is the poe.

Smoke and Mirrors are town by play and town by claim. Their play more recently is less town than I'd prefer, but their early play radiated town in a way I don't think is scum. Even without that, their role is one that I don't think is scum, and we have mod confirmation that it IS a real role. Or close enough. (The mod has confirmed the existence of koalawang being a game mechanic; the prizes for it aren't confirmed but the mod-confirmation of koalawang being a thing confirms the role, the details of the role are frankly irrelevant.)

Superb Subtlety are clearly town here--given my slight doubt in Smoke/Mirrors, I actually am thinking of backing them up. In many ways, they're the inverse to Smoke/Mirrors: instead of starting strong and degrading to 'okay', they started 'okay' and have gotten stronger and stronger later into the day.

WhemeStar's play has radiated town and his claim looks incredibly town.

Raya seems incredibly town by play, natural, at ease, reasonable, having good stances and opinions.

Mad Hatters Tea Party also has looked incredibly town the entire time, start to finish.

Noraabear's play could be scum, but I don't think it is; Noraabear's play overall looks town and the claim is also one that I think is town. Noraabear was dead on the money even if she insists she didn't have a real point when she said that the reactions in that area damn Korina because she handled that area in an incredibly town manner and Korina bluntly, didn't.

PenguinPower and Battle Mage are lesser townreads but still look more town than not.

Which leaves a POE of {TFL, Rathe, Korina, April Ludgate}. Of the four, TFL looks vaguely town albeit not enough to be a real solid townread.

So the POE is {Rathe, Korina, April Ludgate}.

I realize for D1 this is probably not a perfect solve, but perfect is the enemy of good and this is good enough of a solve for D1.
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Post Post #953 (isolation #29) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:16 pm

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Oh I forgot to mention: reminder that I am V/LA and reminder that I am also depressed and don't truly want to post here but I feel obligated to in a moment like this where I can squeeze it in.
In post 902, Battle Mage wrote:VOTE: penguinpower
(For the record I do think that BM v PP is TvT here--the push from Battle Mage looks town but PP's response to it also looks town in a way I don't think he can make if he were scum.)
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Post Post #956 (isolation #30) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:20 pm

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In post 948, mastina wrote:
In post 878, Battle Mage wrote:which means mastina and rathe wagons both on town. to revisit
It's possible rathe is town but rathe is a poe scumread of mine.

I realize rathe is LHF--but the poe is the poe.

Smoke and Mirrors are town by play and town by claim. Their play more recently is less town than I'd prefer, but their early play radiated town in a way I don't think is scum. Even without that, their role is one that I don't think is scum, and we have mod confirmation that it IS a real role. Or close enough. (The mod has confirmed the existence of koalawang being a game mechanic; the prizes for it aren't confirmed but the mod-confirmation of koalawang being a thing confirms the role, the details of the role are frankly irrelevant.)

Superb Subtlety are clearly town here--given my slight doubt in Smoke/Mirrors, I actually am thinking of backing them up. In many ways, they're the inverse to Smoke/Mirrors: instead of starting strong and degrading to 'okay', they started 'okay' and have gotten stronger and stronger later into the day.

WhemeStar's play has radiated town and his claim looks incredibly town.

Raya seems incredibly town by play, natural, at ease, reasonable, having good stances and opinions.

Mad Hatters Tea Party also has looked incredibly town the entire time, start to finish.

Noraabear's play could be scum, but I don't think it is; Noraabear's play overall looks town and the claim is also one that I think is town. Noraabear was dead on the money even if she insists she didn't have a real point when she said that the reactions in that area damn Korina because she handled that area in an incredibly town manner and Korina bluntly, didn't.

PenguinPower and Battle Mage are lesser townreads but still look more town than not.

Which leaves a POE of {TFL, Rathe, Korina, April Ludgate}. Of the four, TFL looks vaguely town albeit not enough to be a real solid townread.

So the POE is {Rathe, Korina, April Ludgate}.

I realize for D1 this is probably not a perfect solve, but perfect is the enemy of good and this is good enough of a solve for D1.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #31) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:30 pm

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In post 954, Raya36 wrote:If you're scum and using this for survival then I'm fine with leaving you be until D2, but I still think you're scummy so maybe D2 would be a good day to claim considering it doesn't make much of a difference
I mean there's a chance I won't need to--if the mod confirms my claim publicly inthread for me, no need for me to do so. :P

It's not a surefire thing to happen, but there's a reasonably decent chance of it happening.
In post 957, Raya36 wrote:
In post 948, mastina wrote:Superb Subtlety are clearly town here--given my slight doubt in Smoke/Mirrors, I actually am thinking of backing them up. In many ways, they're the inverse to Smoke/Mirrors: instead of starting strong and degrading to 'okay', they started 'okay' and have gotten stronger and stronger later into the day.
Can you explain what's clearly town about superb subtlety?
Well in short: dozens of dozens of games with jjh, but also: the later and later into the day we go, the stronger and stronger his play becomes. The early push on Korina was incredibly promising, and it is one that he clearly believed was good, and kept on going about.

The superb subtlety - smoke/mirrors bout was another thing that looked incredibly town. The needling and prodding from jjh was in a way that I don't think is from scum. The interaction was one that just evolved in a way that makes me think town. jjh has been consistently pushing people, and ironically, doing so in a way that's similar to you. Look at your iso and the way you've pushed people like Rathe. Then look at jjh's iso and see how he's pushed players, including Rathe. It's not identical but it is incredibly similar. If you're town as I am assuming, you should have a basic grasp on why your pushes look town, so apply that logic to jjh's pushes and it becomes more clear.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #32) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:21 pm

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In post 963, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:@Mastina I don’t understand why your read on us is less strong because given my recent posting, I would expect the exact opposite, so can you explain this?
Basically, whenever you post it looks town, but you're posting less often than I would expect, essentially--every time you post I see town, but the paranoia is from seeing those posts less often than I'd expect. (And you're decent enough at scum that, if you space your posts out, it's possible for you to make town posts as scum.)

When Koalawang was going on you were like...every other post in the game.

But now it's like...one or two posts a day.

However bursts of activity look town and the content within looks town.

Which is where the rating comes in:
Early very very strong, currently okay. Okay isn't as good as strong, but okay is still explicitly good, it's still strong, just not
strongest
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Post Post #978 (isolation #33) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:56 pm

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Mmm, that's a fair enough explanation. :P
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Post Post #994 (isolation #34) » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:23 pm

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Ngl I'm mostly posting now because, 1: I logged in due to getting an email about a review PM, and 2: after logging in I posted in the speakeasy so felt I was obligated to post in gamethreads especially given the nature of the post I made. :P

Once more a reminder I'm currently both V/LA and depressed.
In post 985, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote: I think there are scum on the Mastin wagon
So do I!
In post 993, Xtoxm wrote:
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~ April Ludgate, Korina, Rathe, Noraabear
And even though I'm townreading Noraabear I could see any of these four flipping scum.

But it's in the exact order of this wagon in terms of likelihood: April > Korina > Rathe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noraabear (amount of space to emphasize that I am, in fact, townreading Noraabear here rather notably so)
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #35) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:38 am

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In post 1086, Xtoxm wrote:
A PLUME OF FLAMES APPEARS ON THE HORIZON


Nobody died in the night.
In post 1085, Xtoxm wrote:ACTIVE -- Day 2 Afternoon Sniper -- On Day 2, in the AFTERNOON phase (after the first 72 hours), you may target a player with a killing action. If that player dies, they will show as being killed with
blown away by a high caliber rifle
So I am now doubly conftown from this.

Claim: Phoenix, 1x (publicly announced when consumed) Bulletproof Day and Night Bodyguard
.

During the night, I target a player--that player is, explicitly, protected from harm for that night
and the following day
. (Which means Superb Subtlety cannot die today.) The presence of a scum dayvig confirms that my bodyguard's day-protection ability is real and town.

The announcement was posted, so I was shot last night--
I protected Superb Subtlety N1
. (My role doesn't differentiate between me being directly shot and me being shot in the process of protecting someone, but chances are given the suspicion on me yesterday that I stopped a kill by the scum who tried to shoot Superb Subtlety.)

My NAR priority ranking is 7.

I told you the scum wouldn't be able to stop me and would be caught off-guard. :P
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Post Post #1113 (isolation #36) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:42 am

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In post 1103, Superb Subtlety wrote:I'm not happy to conf everyone that was on the wagon. As I have been saying, scum could comfortably vote their dayvig buddy if they thought TFL would get a claim in
Also there were players off the wagon who would've joined but didn't have the opportunity to--I was off the wagon and willing to vote TFL, but I was, unfortunately, not around at the time.

Also, I did receive something last night. Krazy apparently really likes roles with yt videos included within. :P
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #37) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:06 am

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In post 129, mastina wrote:
In post 22, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Why not?
Eh there's actually good reason to not claim some flavors, mine included, since the sort of PR for it is very obvious (tho I assume people will figure it out eventually anyway :P).
Phoenix is literally perfect a flavor match for bulletproof bodyguard. Phoenixes are reborn if killed (bulletproof), and are known to be guardians.

I legit actually said this in the first Animals UPick when I submitted the same pick; I said it was a missed opportunity for me to not be either a protective or a bulletproof. (I couldn't think of a way to say that without giving it away tho.) Turns out I got both. :P
In post 129, mastina wrote:(High chance that if this hydra ever dies it's due to a scum strongman because there's no good reason to not protect them.)
I originally planned to protect Smoke and Mirrors.
In post 132, mastina wrote:Let's light the scum up. <3
In post 139, mastina wrote:
In post 133, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.
Hey in this game I've extra incentive to. :P

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side. :P
I had extra incentive to do so because my bodyguard protects during the day as well. I didn't think there'd be a scum dayvig so I was thinking that meant that day-protection meant that the slot I was protecting couldn't be eliminated...meaning that if I protected them, they would NEED to be town. Thus, I had incentive to townhunt rather heavily. (Granted, I was wrong, the day protection was protection against the vig.)
In post 144, mastina wrote:
In post 142, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:
In post 139, mastina wrote:
In post 133, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Rather early for a locktown read isn't it, Mastina? Though I do admire your commitment to a read.
Hey in this game I've extra incentive to. :P

But, if it makes you feel better, I'm not gonna be lighting the way for you; I'm more interested in lighting the way and guiding Smoke/Mirrors, working with them side by side. :P
Interesting, blazing the trail, and yet not lighting the way.
I mean trailblazing and lighting the way aren't mutually exclusive. :P
Pretty self-explanatory. :P
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In post 156, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:Krazy gave us the funnest role in this entire game.
I counterclaim funnest role ever. :P

(Krazy gave me literally the most fun role possible of all time, if I claim it, you'll understand why. :P)
In post 204, Noraabear wrote:As for why, I'm going to conditionally explain (ie if SOMETHING specific that I'm looking for happens, I will explain)
You're gonna be awfully disappointed. :P

I'm never going to be eliminated during the day (tho I will be killed by the scum EVENTUALLY whether they try or not), because people have learned better than to eliminate me when I'm this role. :P

I do have to use it properly tho and part of proper usage of it is not claiming it. :shifty:
Ali v Pine called: they want their mastina back. When I said people have learned better than to eliminate me when I'm this role, I was explicitly referring to being a bodyguard in that game and them mislynching me there. :P

And, one of the main things about my role is that if the scum had a roleblocker they could neuter it--thus why I shouldn't claim it.
In post 328, mastina wrote:Smoke and Mirrors radiate town in a way I've never seen before. They're truly a fire worthy of me, and I am naturally attracted to them as a strong townread here.
This was my way of 'crumbing I was planning to protect Smoke and Mirrors.
In post 413, mastina wrote:
In post 364, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:I do believe this may well be a Town Aligned Mastina, and I fear I will know for sure come tomorrow.
Well there's like at least a 33-50% chance that the entire town will know I'm town tomorrow, depending on how the night plays out. (I have a conditional way to become publicly confirmed, but it requires certain conditions to be met and those conditions are entirely out of my control.)
The public confirmation is that I'd, after being shot, have the public flavor posted of the plume of flames along with the song being posted.

It being entirely out of my control is because it requires either the scum to directly shoot me or the scum to shoot who I was protecting.
In post 674, mastina wrote:there's been plenty of softclaims. Image
I literally posted a picture of a flame here, as about as unsubtle of a "I'm a phoenix" 'crumb you can get. :P
In post 787, mastina wrote:
In post 729, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:it almost feels like you want to be killed.
Oh I do, by the scum. :P

It'll be something that they can't avoid doing btw. It'll happen whether they want it to or not, because they can't prevent it. I am going to be killed by the scum; I'm too powerful for them to not.
In post 736, WhemeStar wrote:I just feel like town is weak
Claimed
town might be weak, but I assure you that
softclaimed
town is in fact appropriately strong. :P My role is legit ridiculously so strong it can singlehandedly win the town the game. Which is why I am so confident scum WILL kill me. (But while softing my role is all good and well, I do want to reiterate that hardclaiming it would actually be very bad on D1.)
Scum can't avoid killing a bodyguard because unless they have a roleblocker, I can protect a player from their nightkill, stopping it dead in its tracks. My role is incredibly strong and can singlehandedly win the town the game, but hardclaiming it on D1 when there's still a good chance of a scum roleblocker would've been suboptimal.
In post 948, mastina wrote:
In post 877, Battle Mage wrote:where mastina declared immortality
Funny you should mention immortality given my role. :shifty:
(I gave Krazy three picks, my first which he went with has a strong association with that word.)
In post 794, Noraabear wrote:VOTE: Mastina
this is town and anyone not agreeing with it will be looked at tomorrow after her green flip/scum shot.
Fixed that for you.
In post 807, Raya36 wrote:I don't like all this softclaiming of having such a super strong role. This isn't how town handles having a strong PR on day 1
It is when you know what the role is and the player handling it. :P

I can get away with softing it because scum can't do anything about it.

Claiming the role is sub-optimal D1, but it doesn't really matter
that
much--the play is mostly the same regardless of whether I claim it, don't claim it with softclaims, or don't claim it with no claims. I just prefer the middle option because I like to. :P

I guarantee that were I to claim you would know why I've said everything I have and agree with it, that everything I said was true, that there isn't MUCH of a difference between me claiming it and not claiming it, but that I am right in my assessment that while it doesn't matter much, claiming it on D1 is still notably suboptimal to not claiming it.

Plus, scum aren't gonna
actually
guess my role in spite of the softclaims. They can't. I am so confident that they can't guess my role that it allows me that freedom to softclaim all I like. I can be as blatant as I want with my soft; the scum still won't know what hits 'em until I fullclaim.


Smoke and Mirrors are town by play and town by claim. Their play more recently is less town than I'd prefer, but their early play radiated town in a way I don't think is scum. Even without that, their role is one that I don't think is scum, and we have mod confirmation that it IS a real role. Or close enough. (The mod has confirmed the existence of koalawang being a game mechanic; the prizes for it aren't confirmed but the mod-confirmation of koalawang being a thing confirms the role, the details of the role are frankly irrelevant.)

Superb Subtlety are clearly town here--given my slight doubt in Smoke/Mirrors, I actually am thinking of backing them up. In many ways, they're the inverse to Smoke/Mirrors: instead of starting strong and degrading to 'okay', they started 'okay' and have gotten stronger and stronger later into the day.
I hinted at my role because phoenixes are strongly associated with immortality. I said that scum would shoot me and that I would be revealed pretty much. I can get away with softing being both bulletproof and a bodyguard because as long as I don't hardclaim my role, it'd be impossible for the scum to guess I was both. They MIGHT be able to guess I am bulletproof; they MIGHT be able to guess I am a protective; they would be unable to guess that I was BOTH. There isn't much of a difference between me claiming and not claiming, but the risk of a scum roleblocker meant it was suboptimal to do on D1.

Here is also the post where I decided to switch in plans from protecting Smoke/Mirrors to protecting Superb Subtlety.
In post 960, mastina wrote:
In post 954, Raya36 wrote:If you're scum and using this for survival then I'm fine with leaving you be until D2, but I still think you're scummy so maybe D2 would be a good day to claim considering it doesn't make much of a difference
I mean there's a chance I won't need to--if the mod confirms my claim publicly inthread for me, no need for me to do so. :P

It's not a surefire thing to happen, but there's a reasonably decent chance of it happening.
So long as I protected the right slot it was pretty damn likely I was going to burn my bulletproof. I correctly identified Superb Subtlety as being the right protection. :P

Soyeah, this is what I meant on D1.

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sure, given the suspicion on me D1, in spite of my softclaims scum did not directly shoot me; I'm fairly certain they shot Superb Subtlety, who I then saved.
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Post Post #1117 (isolation #38) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:07 am

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In post 1114, Superb Subtlety wrote:You are more likely than many other players in the game to have protected me and I figured I was the nightkill
Honestly you didn't have to claim
True, I didn't have to claim--but I did say that I would. :P

I felt obliged to keep my word.
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #39) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:21 pm

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In post 1188, Superb Subtlety wrote:Sorry Nancy, but it's actually a very plausible guilty and I'm still not sure of your alignment here
If you're town, just sit and hope there's an explanation someone is willing to give because nothing else can realistically be done
If nothing changes I can see myself voting you when I've had more time to use the day phase
Basically, this.

I am not 100% sure Smoke/Mirrors is town or scum.
But barring any other explanation. Lightning rod, rolestopper targeting Smoke/Mirrors, roleblocker targeting Mad Hatters Tea Party, alien targeting either S/M or MHTP, busdriver driving S/M with someone else, redirector. (Most of which if existing would probably be scum disinclined to claim their result.)
The mechanical guilty is not something we can ignore.

If nobody comes forward with an explanation for the failure, the possibilities are only, 1: scum caused the failure, or, 2: the failure was due to targeting scum and getting a guilty.

The possibility of the latter is too strong to ignore.

So I believe that Smoke/Mirrors should, 100%, be the elimination today because it's either a guilty or gives us information about the scum's PRs, confirming they have a Manipulation-category role. The former puts us in a position to possibly have a literally perfect town game with zero town deaths and three dead scum; the latter, while costing us the life of a town player, gives us a small cautionary tale and lets us know that scum have a method to interfere with our roles.

Given we're so early into the day--it feels premature to end the day on a Smoke and Mirrors elimination; we should give it time, let people post, get collected, all and all in general talk, discuss, get any info out that they feel they need to get out, air any suspicions they feel they need to give, etc. (Thus why I'm not voting right now.)

But Smoke and Mirrors absolutely
should
be the elimination here.
(Plus on a side note. They're one of the only slots who'd kill either me or Superb Subtlety N1. Other players could kill the Ali/jjh hydra, but Smoke/Mirrors is legit the only slot who I could see targeting either of us, honestly.)
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #40) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:35 pm

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In post 1085, Xtoxm wrote:
TheFuzzylogic99(7)
~ Superb Subtlety, Whemestar, Mad Hatters Tea Party, PenguinPower, Raya36, Korina, Noraabear
(FLIP)

mastina(2)
~ April Ludgate, Rathe
Korina(2)
~ Smoke and Mirrors, mastina
PenguinPower(1)
~ Battle Mage
Superb Subtlety is highly likely to have been the N1 nightkill--they are basically conftown here.
Mad Hatters Tea Party's claim never comes from scum, and is mostly vouched for--they are basically conftown here.
Battle Mage isn't hardclaiming his investigative role, nor should he, but he is vouching for MHTP in a way that is incredibly unlikely to be scum--so a fairly high chance of being town here. Narrows it down further to this:
In post 1085, Xtoxm wrote:
TheFuzzylogic99(7)
~ Whemestar, PenguinPower, Raya36, Korina, Noraabear
(FLIP)

mastina(2)
~ April Ludgate, Rathe
Korina(2)
~ Smoke and Mirrors
WhemeStar, claimed Janitor, looks incredibly town.
PenguinPower, mostly unclaimed (presumably), isn't as hard-cleared but feels like a lower-priority here in looking town overall.
Raya, unclaimed as far as I know, looks incredibly town. Nothing as hard-clearing, but still a lower-priority regardless.
Korina, claimed mortician, isn't someone I'd clear--at this point in the wagon there were no alternatives for Korina to wagon. I'd say a high priority for trying to sort.
Noraabear, claimed godfather, isn't someone I'd clear--at this point in the wagon there were no alternatives for Noraabear to wagon. I'd say a high priority for trying to sort. However I do still lean town overall.
April Ludgate, claimed Ninja Visitor, isn't someone I'd clear.
Rathe (unless I'm forgetting, is unclaimed) isn't someone I'd clear.

Smoke and Mirrors is the default elimination today due to the mechanical guilty; when sorting others, should look through both the lens of them being scum and the lens of them not being scum.

So high priorities to sort: {Korina, Noraabear, April Ludgate, Rathe} imo.
(Note that high priority != scum. There's a maximum of 1-2 scum in there. If Smoke/Mirrors is scum, then there's a maximum of 1 scum in there and it could in fact be 0 if there's scum in those I consider low-priority to sort. It's just that sorting the names in here feels like a top priority imo.)
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Post Post #1262 (isolation #41) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:38 pm

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In post 68, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 65, PenguinPower wrote:i don't like this game
I WILL DAYVIG YOU
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiit a seconddddddd......
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #42) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:39 pm

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In post 1262, mastina wrote:
In post 68, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 65, PenguinPower wrote:i don't like this game
I WILL DAYVIG YOU
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiit a seconddddddd......
MOD:
In post 1085, Xtoxm wrote:ACTIVE -- Day 2 Afternoon Sniper -- On Day 2, in the AFTERNOON phase (after the first 72 hours), you may target a player with a killing action. If that player dies, they will show as being killed with
blown away by a high caliber rifle
Did this need to be submitted publicly into the gamethread, or could it be via PM or in the mafia topic?
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #43) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:41 pm

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In post 1263, mastina wrote:
In post 1262, mastina wrote:
In post 68, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 65, PenguinPower wrote:i don't like this game
I WILL DAYVIG YOU
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiit a seconddddddd......
MOD:
In post 1085, Xtoxm wrote:ACTIVE -- Day 2 Afternoon Sniper -- On Day 2, in the AFTERNOON phase (after the first 72 hours), you may target a player with a killing action. If that player dies, they will show as being killed with
blown away by a high caliber rifle
Did this need to be submitted publicly into the gamethread, or could it be via PM or in the mafia topic?
(If you can't tell, Smoke/Mirrors mentioning a dayvig when scum had a dayvig is...not looking good for their chances of being town here. :P If Smoke/Mirrors are actually town, this has to be like a top ten most unfortunate coincidence sort of deal where a string of the most hilariously condemning evidence piles onto a town player, because uhhhhhhh...yeah, this definitely IS incriminating given what Fuzzy flipped.)
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:45 pm

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In post 1264, Raya36 wrote:I was very wrong about Fuzzy, my bad. I guess I was reading too much into his early play and not so much into his later play. Since I guess scum would know this now I'm going to claim that I started a neighborhood with Fuzzy. He was a bit on the quiet side in the PT so maybe I should have caught on to that but he was also a little on the quieter side in the thread so I didn't think too much into it.

In the PT Fuzzy said that he town reads Mastina off the top of his head but said he's usually wrong early game. We were also agreeing there that she would be a bad D1 kill for town. He also said that Nora is obvtown based on role.

I asked about Penguin and April. Hadn't sorted Penguin yet and April was kind of a 50/50.
I buy that.

It's easier for town to be snowed by a scum neighbor.

I don't think Raya fakeclaims this, so add Raya to the list of players basically-hard-cleared.

ESSENTIALLY CONFTOWN: {Superb Subtlety, Mad Hatters Tea Part, Raya36, Battle Mage}
LOW PRIORITY SORTS/TOWNREADS: {WhemeStar, PenguinPower}
HIGH PRIORITY SORTS: {April Ludgate, Rathe, Korina, Noraabear}.

I'm working on April right now with a triple-iso. (Fuzzy+S/M+third name, will be going through all of April/Rathe/Korina/Noraabear.)
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:57 pm

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In post 1270, mastina wrote:I'm working on April right now with a triple-iso. (Fuzzy+S/M+third name, will be going through all of April/Rathe/Korina/Noraabear.)
Just did this. April fits as a scumbuddy quite well, but then again it'd be hard not to given the collective contributions of all three slots. :P

Korina's next.
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #46) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:08 pm

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In post 970, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
In post 964, PenguinPower wrote:Yeah - I disagree with and don’t understand the wheme thing
Missed this. Yes, I don’t understand why she tr him but sr Korina. I thought the way Korina claimed sounded really townie to me. He’s probably one of my top trs rn.
In post 492, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:leaning town
Korina- By role
So I realize that this could be scum defending a scumbuddy, but gut-wise it actually looks to me like scum attempting to pocket a town slot, so I lean away from Korina being scum.
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Post Post #1277 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:14 pm

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In post 49, Noraabear wrote:
In post 21, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I actually had to check the thread to make sure this wasn’t the newbie queue.
well that sounds fake as hell.
VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors
Okay instantly this doesn't look like early scum bussing.
In post 394, Noraabear wrote:eek Nancy is scum here. town Nancy locktowns me like ten pages ago.
Reinforced here, too.
In post 398, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Nora
I am a bit skeptical about your reads.

Can you explain why you think Nancy Drew is scum for not town reading you? This doesn't make any sense and I am trying to understand your logic here (assuming your read is not a joke read)
This is, 1: REALLY damning for Smoke and Mirrors, suggesting the guilty is a real one, and,
2: Incredibly indicative of Noraabear being town.

I SHOULD keep reading to look deeper just in case but I am going to call it here; Noraabear is town. :P
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Post Post #1279 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:23 pm

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In post 776, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Wheme
If Rathe flips town would that change your read on me?
This loosely makes me inclined to believe Rathe isn't the Fuzzlylogic scumbuddy.
In post 842, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:the wagons are blah for me generally.....The Rathe wagon atp seem bad. Its possible they are newbcum but I think we need more time to sort. Honestly i have no idea on how to sort Mastina atp. Her play is just wierd but I am not sure if it just normal Mastina weird or scum Mastina weird. Like Rathe, I want to take at least another day to sort her .Also, Mastina seems like an easy mislynch for today
This is a post which could come from scum defending a scumbuddy but gutwise I'm inclined to believe is scum whiteknighting.
In post 919, Rathe wrote:i like mad hatters fuzzy raya and battle mage
i think they are town
This isn't the best of looks tho.

So having done these, I loosely feel, third scumbuddy chances:

April Ludgate >>> Korina = Rathe >>> (low sort priorities) >>> Noraabear (Noraa is clearly town here).
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #49) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:26 pm

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Superb Subtlety (alisae + jjh)
Mad Hatters Tea Party
Battle Mage
Raya36

Noraabear
WhemeStar

PenguinPower


Rathe | Korina

April Ludgate

Smoke and Mirrors (Nancy Drew 39 + Pooky)

Mechanically town, playwise reading as strongly town, playwise looking town and is a low-priority sort, could be scum but gutwise less likely, looks like scum by default.
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #50) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:32 pm

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In post 1283, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1118, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1116, mastina wrote:I literally posted a picture of a flame here, as about as unsubtle of a "I'm a phoenix" 'crumb you can get.
could you explain what you mean by - and how that is - a crumb?
Mastina - could you please answer this?
I thought you were being facetious there.

But uh, if you actually seriously don't get it...
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And this isn't even all of the google search results for phoenix.

I think I've made my point on how flames are a phoenix 'crumb. :P

~Spoiled the Images. Jingle
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #51) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:40 pm

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In post 1287, PenguinPower wrote:I just wanted your definition of crumb :lol:
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That's my definition of 'crumb.

:P

(PP should be able to get the ref*, newer scummers may not tho, which is a shame.)

*That said it may be more obvious with a different image which was held for much much longer than that one, but I think it's still clear enough.
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Post Post #1385 (isolation #52) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:40 am

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(For the record, I am somewhat skeptical of the claim and still think Smoke/Mirrors should be the elimination.)
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Post Post #1419 (isolation #53) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:22 pm

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In post 1386, Superb Subtlety wrote:I already got 1 (thanks, you know who you are), but I need the other 2. You'll know if you have one. If it comes to it I can start guessing but I don't think that's good for any of us, because I don't want to risk being wrong, and if I guess right and catch you hiding my mushrooms I will end you
I'm pretty sure the message of the badger song wasn't a mushroom so not something I have.
In post 1389, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:If Mastina who has never read me wrong can’t tell this is my towngame, then fucking lim me. My slot will be compromised now even if MHTP gets an inno on me.
I can see the town--but I can't see it so strongly that I can ignore a mechanical guilty on you. If I was absolutely convinced beyond any reasonable doubt that you're town so much so that the guilty was wrong, I would ignore the guilty. But I can't get that conviction. I see the town, I get why you would be town, but the level of confidence in it isn't enough to override the mechanical guilty.

As you yourself say: you cannot make it to lylo.

So the best day for your elimination is today.

Sorry. <3

I get that it sucks if you are town and did genuinely fail to claim what amounts to an ascetic and got a guilty on you N1. If you are town that was the worst possible chain of events possible--play that looks hilariously like it fits into the scumteam condemned both by Fuzzy and his flip with your comments, a failure to claim something, and the exact right town investigative targeting you and getting a false guilty.

It would utterly suck if you are town and all of that managed to happen to be literally as condemning as is humanly possible.

But the simple fact is, that evidence IS there, and it cannot be ignored if there's so much as a 5% doubt in you being town. And my doubt is more in the 40-60% range. I still see the town, in the 60-40% range, but the fact is: for you to not be the D2 elimination, we'd need literally less than 5% doubt and there is considerably more than that from me.

The best you can do is to try and scumhunt. If you are town, then I will genuinely listen to your reads after you flip, but you need to be the flip today. :(
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #54) » Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:25 am

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In post 1521, Mad Hatters Tea Party wrote:Nancy, I sincerely apologise but I cannot allow you to survive this day phase. Your role is becoming more and more convoluted as time is passing.
More or less this. </3
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #55) » Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:30 pm

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In post 1596, Noraabear wrote:there's an entire guilty on this slot. Why are we not limming it?
Because we're waiting on other role stuff to be resolved today first.
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #56) » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:12 am

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Btw Pooky.

May I ask:

Why haven't you given a read on Noraa?

Because I've now got reasonably good reason to believe you SHOULD have given a read on Noraa if you're town yet you haven't...
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Post Post #1702 (isolation #57) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:31 am

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In post 1658, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Noraa is always locktown for me
Except when she’s scum.
But why haven't you said Noraa is locktown here at any point? There was a time where there was rather significant suspicion on her; you didn't chime in at all.
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Post Post #1706 (isolation #58) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:42 am

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In post 1705, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:I think she’s town here. She seems different here than in Pooky v FL, don’t you agree?
I'm too tired right now to think about it one way or another.

But what about other reads?

Who else are you townreading?

Who are you scumreading?
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Post Post #2005 (isolation #59) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:24 pm

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In post 1875, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1868, Superb Subtlety wrote:I'd like to thank Mastina for protecting me two nights running. This has been a fantastic gambit and a great game for jjh927
thanks for being mvp with mastina.
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:28 pm

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In post 1905, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i didnt think i needed to tell you what she claimed in the thread dude lol
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Butyeah I did protect ss two nights in a row.
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:29 pm

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In post 1909, jjh927 wrote:I think there were exactly 2 powerful roles on the town side- Mastina's role, and Mad Hatter's role. My role only got a guilty from some inventive gambitting and the fact that scum tried to NK me two nights in a row while Mastina protected me
Scum dayvig is almost incomprehensibly strong
^This, pretty much.
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:44 pm

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In post 1982, jjh927 wrote:In the theme queue I am often far harder to kill than I have any right to be
Especially when I am in the game and am a protective since I can identify the need to save jjh. :P
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:47 pm

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In post 2006, jjh927 wrote:Did anyone clue you in on what I was doing when you hit the dead thread?
Game was already over by the time I got access to it. :P
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:23 am

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In post 2112, Jingle wrote:
In post 2106, WhemeStar wrote:Is mafia pt released yet?
It was requested that we keep it redacted.
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Post Post #2185 (isolation #65) » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:35 pm

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Btw, rabble rabble mafia PT when.

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