Mini Normal 2199: Baseball (Over)

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VOTE: esotericzoomer

Egos are what bring towns to their demise.

oh boy do i know that

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pocketing as in pool
billiards
never trust a man who makes puns

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I can say so far I like Arte's performance and even if they're an alt I'll keep them around for a few days.

Hmm, I like Flow, Arte, Zoomer, and Koba so far. That leaves me eight potential suspects left.

it's just too easy

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"this is sus" and "this leans town" are both basically tonal reads at their core
please for the love of god don't make 15 pages out of this

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"this is sus" and "this leans town" are both basically tonal reads at their core
please for the love of god don't make 15 pages out of this

tonal reads are amazing jump off points for RVS gonna have to deal with them in the early game bud

i'm talking about having an argument over who should explain what

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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VOTE: Elsa Jay
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Dynamics

Fair enough.

Trust:
DkKoba
Zulfy
flow trap

Dunno:
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Rathe
Artemiana
Elsa
Not_Mafia

Don't Trust:
mozamis
Jim Hawkins
KittyTacky

norwegian?

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not if i have anything to say about it

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i lied

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as much as its all fun and games im down to pl nm whenever

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as much as its all fun and games im down to pl nm whenever

in regards to tacky's list

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as much as its all fun and games im down to pl nm whenever

scummy

you know what, you're right, lets keep around the guy whose only intent is to troll and has a very ambiguous alignment

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I just came here to have a good time and I honestly feel so attacked right now

<3

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as much as its all fun and games im down to pl nm whenever

scummy

you know what, you're right, lets keep around the guy whose only intent is to troll and has a very ambiguous alignment

NM actually does play to win despite what you might think of the trolling and its usually mafia who are more frustrated by him being unpredictable.

being unpredictable is also bad for town believe it or not
if you say he does eventually play to win then ill have no choice but to trust your word here since i havent played with him myself, i just know his legacy

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as much as its all fun and games im down to pl nm whenever

scummy

you know what, you're right, lets keep around the guy whose only intent is to troll and has a very ambiguous alignment

I would vote NM any day, any time.
I know people like to keep him around for some inexplicable reason though.

not nice if town obvious if mafia

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so clearly ive been living under a rock here
why does mozami's have 5 votes?

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ok so from a light skim without considering context this mozamis wagon looks awful

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oh right, that makes sense

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better luck next time scum

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pageget

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so can someone who isnt not_mafia run me through the mozamis wagon?

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i understand
personal scumtells are always hard to explain

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can i also rack your brain on your opinions towards elsa?

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wat

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It's Artemiana and/or Elsa. If the deadline is close I'll switch back to Elsa but Artemiana is pinging harder on my scum radar.

i feel fairly the same way but id prefer elsa over arte

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ok so from a light skim without considering context this mozamis wagon looks awful

Elaborate?

that as far as ive seen, theres nothing fueling the wagon and yet it exists

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VOTE: Jim Hawkins
im down to pressure this

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Esotericzoomer - Generally sarcastic & skeptical, which is town; however it does seem
to be toned down a bit since the last time I’ve played with them. I wouldn’t count that
for much since they’ve had generally less to react to. - Null Town

not to self meta and all but you can see slightly more progression in my play between the game we played together (iceland) and now when you look at mini normal 2193
i'm keen on, as you've mentioned, toning it down a lot because i know how harmful to a game i can be

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so can someone who isnt not_mafia run me through the mozamis wagon?

Initial posts looked off, pressure zulfy but already setting up a switch of focus to low content players. There's something incoherent about that, you can hardly pressure someone if you're already announcing you're not likely to keep the vote there. Then the reaction to his wagon was to immediately attempt to redirect attention to low/no content slots, which to me was a knee-jerk response to pressure. The latest switch to the Jim wagon is more of the same, though admittedly I'm now wondering if a player as experienced as moz would be this blatantly opportunistic if they were actually scum.

it's ironic that i'm saying this since i dont read him as scum but there will be times where an experienced player will be obvious scum, else town would never win
he also seemed to have been on a 3 year break from mafia prior to this game so being rusty is also a potential thing

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I'm not a fan of the way he's quick to pull chainsaw out of his ass when I shifted against him but like, this makes me look even more sideways.

I am pretty much a noob regarding forum mafia. On a serious non-RVS note, DkKoba is my strongest TR right now.

I will post my full reads later today I think.

Sure you

can

fakeclaim whatever and whenever you like. For example I could claim The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lasers Out Of Its Ass.

Whether it helps town is another question...

I don't like how he claims to be a noob, but pulls this very specific fake claim from out of no where

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Of_Its_Ass the joke is real, but old as hell so it isn't something someone who is new would know about, much less claim. He also has strangely mafiaesque lingo for a newb as well. Willing to bet this flips red

ion like how you're trying to use hiding under an alt as if it implicates that he is scum
that's next level bullshittery

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VOTE: Artemiana
few disingenuous/deceitful posts that ping me the wrong way

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Yes,yes. I am blatantly chainsawing my buddy. You've caught me! I also could have stayed on norwee

2 reads omgussing. Aunty artie is gonna be so proud of her huntress in training

Kitty hard omgus my way gives me the vibes that they are doubling down on a threat to them. Curious how they want my blood more, the harder I go on them.

Moza, I feel like is an overall easy target and he's someone who's very easy to talk about. Very easy to pressure, something I feel like is more characteristic of misfadable town than actual probably scum. To many people hopping on that for to weak reasons

May flip the table on the ice queen, not keen on giving piggy back rides.

Norwee is very... lax.... not sure I like that

things like these
granted they're mostly directed towards kitty in slight retaliation but nevertheless from a town perspective the situation was handled poorly in pushing your scumread

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sometimes i feel you just make up words

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sometimes i feel you just make up words

Kerfluffle droop ligma braap

what's kerfluffle?
what's droop?
ẃ̸̯h̴̰̐ǎ̷̟t̴͈̿'̷̯͠s̶̩̐ ̴͔͘l̸̗̆i̴͇͌g̷̥͝m̶̩̅a̶͇͒?̸̭̂
what's braap?

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then what argument are you trying to make my presenting him being an alt

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tbf the way kitty used chainsawing in the argument they had sounds like they just ripped the definition off the wiki

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tbf the way kitty used chainsawing in the argument they had sounds like they just ripped the definition off the wiki

I will admit it, yes I did. It was a textbook example of a chainsaw wasn't it?

no like im tryna say you being a noob has merit given this circumstance lol

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my bad for not quoting anything and making that post seem mad confusing

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So jim, Eso, Kitty should move their votes.
In fairness, no one is voting for DDk, Flow or Norwegian, but yeah the Elsa wagon needs to disband.

not on elsa

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i mean if it comes down to it pl'ing that slot is fine as either he straight up hasnt opened the thread in 2 days for personal reasons or he's avoiding making content intentionally, in the case of the latter it shows that pressure doesn't work to get him to post
still, activity is nai but having an unsortable slot is a thorn in my side as well

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VOTE: Jim Hawkins

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gone quiet recently
you what mate

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elsa can you make a serious readslist

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oh btw im not voting jim because i said hes a potential policy lynch like before
after all his whining about people not liking his inactivity i checked his past games and saw he was a lot more involved compared to this game, and i know plenty of players who are very apathetic when they play as mafia

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elsa can you make a serious readslist

It was half serious. Plus you didn't post for 3 pages. Hence quiet. My short term memory isn't the best.

bruh

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i was posting less than 12 hours ago

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i was asleep

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I do enjoy the entrance of Elsas sister though!

Also, I'm only saying this one more time because it keeps getting misrepresented

My issue with kitty is not because she is an alt, but because she is a self proclaimed noob and stated it with out any prompt.

The biggest reason this is an issue is because its clear that she knows what shes doing, and there was absolutely no reason to claim being a newbie and to be taken easy on.

There is also only a single alignment who would want people to go easy on them. I don't care if she is an alt, I never said she was an alt.

She has experience and it could be from another account here on this site, she could be from another mafia site or she could have experience in other forms of mafia. I don't care where she got her experience from, she just has it and she is misrepresenting that experience here

i would like to say its townie to still keep fixating on this point but youre almost using it as a pass to not generate any more content
regardless of them faking being a noob being completely nai i already showed theres a good chance they are one with how they used chainsawing

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Asleep in the scum PT, you mean.

its quieter there what do you want from me

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oh btw im not voting jim because i said hes a potential policy lynch like before
after all his whining about people not liking his inactivity i checked his past games and saw he was a lot more involved compared to this game, and i know plenty of players who are very apathetic when they play as mafia

bit insulting to call jim a policy elim, i dont think he is by any measure and I've played with him once. He's not the strongest player but he's not PL material at all. Knock this kind of shade off, its borderline personal attack territory.

when you dont contribute you become a policy lim
it is what it is

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Hm... I think Elsa would be paired with Jim/Art/Anya+DK/Norwee/Zoomer

i would happily lim elsa lmao

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Why would anyone react to one vote anyway! It doesn't matter until you get atleast 4.

unless youre jim of course

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holy fuck its ginger handbag isnt

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you are an enigma

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you cant even call that a rhyme

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bullshit

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youre water torture

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oh okay

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Why would Jim by Ginger Handbag?

that is in fact what im asking you

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it is the only one that has any relation
that being the first syllables rhyming and thats it
dont blame me for your awful naming skills bruh

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Scum pool is Ginger Handbag, Watershit Down, Smellsa Gay, Cyclist, Pieces of Cringe and Apaulineeg.

do tell me which one of these is jim hawkins

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smellsa gay is pretty good tho

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Jim is obviously Pieces of Cringe

you need to be put in a straight jacket

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my life is a lie

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never trust a man who makes puns

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close enough to a pun

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"i do have other reads" she says as she makes a majority of her posts about a 'noobtell'

it's not my place to defend him since i dont even have a confident read on him but the true misrepresentation here is you thinking kitty's read is at all because they're hung up on you going after him, not just that they aren't even focused on that

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"i do have other reads" she says as she makes a majority of her posts about a 'noobtell'

it's not my place to defend him since i dont even have a confident read on him but the true misrepresentation here is you thinking kitty's read is at all because they're hung up on you going after him, they're aren't even that focused on you in the first place

EBWOP to make the last sentence make more sense

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what is it with people immediately calling omgus when the person they're voting scumreads them back
these do not have to be correlated

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a game on your alt and a game on your main
must be tiring to switch back and forth

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BUT

I guess talk to me about kitty. Why are you inclined to not defend him but at the same time defend him? He makes a statement on how the only thing I have on him is faulty arguments and sure, ok that was all I had and like all psychological tells, it's hard to explain why it things come from a scum mind set but he isn't reading my slot to the current game state, AND despite calling me out for being overly focused on him, he literally only has two reads this game period.

It's kinda like kettle black?

i'd prefer not to defend him because like i said i dont necessarily have a positive read on him, but i felt a few of your points were just a bit unreasonable for me to outright ignore them

reads aren't the only way to make content/contributions either, if it was then i'd be quite the hypocrite, so judging a players content based off the number of reads they've made rather than their general postings is just kind of unfair

for example not_mafia has provided us plenty of reads but i dont think many people are inclined to listen to him

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pl'ing is objectively a good thing

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pl'ing is objectively a good thing

thing as in reason

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pl'ing is objectively a good thing

why PL NM tho

why not
what has he done

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ok thats not the question - why do u want to PL them.

completely unreadable slot because he goes out of his way to not make AI content

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besides id much prefer limming jim

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ok thats not the question - why do u want to PL them.

completely unreadable slot because he goes out of his way to not make AI content

thats objectively wrong????

i think u are like blinded by the shitposting cuz NM definitely does make AI posts esp as town.

its maybe not as common as you would like but maybe u should learn how to play into it?? ive only played under 5 games with NM and like i know they are very much readable.

'it's maybe not as common' is one of the biggest understatements i've ever seen in one of these games
if all he does is shitpost there is LITERALLY nothing to tell him apart when he plays different alignments

throughout this entire game thus far he has not made a single post that can be indicative of his alignment and it's obscene to believe otherwise

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and lets say his scumpool is 'ai', when providing completely non-sensical nicknames and not explaining what the hell they mean you aren't exactly doing your part as town, or as a player in general

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i do not see how that changes anything here

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"Not_Mafia has done absolutely nothing this entire day and seems to have no intentions on improving" me

"I'm good at reading him, and sometimes he has good reads" you

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Worse case we get rid of NoBrania who is waste of space.

LOL

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ok nevermind moz leans town now...
VOTE: eso

counter wagon............ sorry moz if ur scum i will angry tho

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dont like ur talk of PL sorry

lame

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whos scum outside of NM tho eso, tell me

i dont scumread NM lol

mozamis, ft, norwegian, UNOwen, Anya - town probably

kitty, nm, elsa jay, rathe, koba - null

jim, arte - evil probably

for future reference

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hes not trying to be

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for what reason?

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so youre telling me town!notmafia would be different than scum!notmafia? in what way?

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contrary to popular assumption im not hellbent on pling notmafia

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because i need more time to be able to read someone who has completely conflicting opinions with me lol

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im not saying youre not trustworthy or youre disingenuous it's just that when you completely disagree on everything with another player, typically either you're an idiot or the player you're disagreeing with isn't town
im just trying to find which one it is

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it wouldnt be that hard of a decision if i was good at the game

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3rd option is we're both idiots but thatd be mean for me to say

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but like
its different as hes a notorious troll

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NM is... On the other hand trolling is anti-town. On the other hand it's just him being himself. I think it's NAI.

the shit he does being nai is the problem

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eso u have to understand that like ur like using the exact argument i did when i was scum against NM and that it feeks v sus when u pulll it out the same way I did so that i could discred the slot and push to not have to solve the slot and just keep it in PoE./push it as a ML/vote it out with an excuse to remove association etc.


its NAGL and im not vibing with it.

legit no
hellllllll no
i have seen no actual defense on how notmafia is good for the game state and instead of showing otherwise youre trying to flip this shit on its head and go after me with some garbage false equivalency

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also what does nagl mean

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oh not a good look
thanks urban dictionary

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and no, “hes unpredictable” is not a defense

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“i cant figure out how to disprove his arguments, so lets attack and discredit him instead”

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Jim, can you talk about esotericzoomer/Artemiana/KittyTacky/Rathe/Zulfy

Esotericzoomer - I can see what you all mean now about posts that don't progress the game.
Artemaiana - There is a fair amount of questioning, though a lot of it seems rhetorical.
KittyTacky - But I can see why Arte is tunneling....Kitty got caught trying to be both newb and seasoned, which is confusing and a minus. They give reads and opinions, which is a plus. But that comment about having an extra vote waiting in the wings to hammer was super sus.
Rathe - Absolutely null. It's like texting with a person who only responds, "k"
Zulfy - Also not much to go off of. Mostly responding without asking actual questions.

i would like to think i progress the game with my postings but id just be lying to myself

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Rathe - Absolutely null. It's like texting with a person who only responds, "k"

Rathe-Jim scum team? Classic scum distancing.
Really hapy with lynching JIm, Rathe or Unowen still.
Maybe NOtMaf if we run out of ideas, but that is mainly policy/Antipathy on my part.

can you explain to me your owen read? im fairly with you on everything else

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So now I think they're more town

i would love to call you out on this but you did this same flipflop shit last game and was completely right so eh
townie tho since its in line with meta

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hey anya can you compromise on a jim wagon or nah

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oh btw im not voting jim because i said hes a potential policy lynch like before
after all his whining about people not liking his inactivity i checked his past games and saw he was a lot more involved compared to this game, and i know plenty of players who are very apathetic when they play as mafia

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the same jim hawkins who was fairly active in other games and made a lot of content and conversation topics in them, doesn't know how to join a discussion in this one because he isn't familiar with the players
i think that's a load of shit and he just doesn't know what to do as mafia

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he then goes on to make the excuse about being more active on the weekends, only to then make even less posts than he had before and his response to flowtrap seems very low effort and forced

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all around he seems very hesitant to make concrete opinions on players as if he doesn't want it to come back and bite him if hes wrong

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nope
twas why i asked

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@ whoevr asked me abotu Unowen - he also seems very vague and unconvincing, stuff about Kitty beng new or not seems a bit fluffy

that was me thanks
while he and i dont see eye to eye on a lot of things i can totally see his viewpoint and how he got to have his opinions so i sorta disagree on him being vague and unconvincing but that's just my two cents

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no theres a very real possibility im just seeing shit where there isnt anything

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we 36 pages in youve waited enough

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does jim just feel scummy because you dont like his tone kitty? like maybe his posts come across forced or smth?
i get that youre from tos, i am too, but please elaborate a bit even if its a little bit more

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can i also rack your brain on your opinions towards elsa?

yeah, dkkoba town.

hey kobda for awhile now ive been confused as shit over this so can you tell me wtf this means

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Imma be real with yall - I don't think Anya is town. The way they are playing suggests they are open/powerwolfing.

their vibe seems to be to force thru any viable elim.

you cant ignore the possibility that these viable elims are viable because theyre scum

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Unvote

Sorry, it's been a crazy week.

To everyone currently voting for me: Are you all voting for me because I'm the easy choice? Or because I am the best choice? What do you hope to learn or gain after my elim? Who on my wagon do you think might actually be scum?

And I feel like I've missed the whole Norweigain thing.... could someone please summarize the case on him?

no
yes
scum death
if town, mozamis

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Imma be real with yall - I don't think Anya is town. The way they are playing suggests they are open/powerwolfing.

their vibe seems to be to force thru any viable elim.

you cant ignore the possibility that these viable elims are viable because theyre scum

I dont think they are scum is the issue.theres been a lot mess movement now that we have these 2 counterwagons

yeah thats fair i guess, theres not really much i can say when it comes down to personal opinion

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i am town so calling me scum makes me think u r

bruh

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VOTE: Anya Too many vague breadcrumbs.

Also, I'm fine with you all voting me, as long as you think you will gain some serious information when I flip VT.

why is that a scummy thing though?

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almost 40 pages we can make it

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so is kittytacky ginger handbag?

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if this does flip scum then that's my quota for a mafia game complete and ill just sheep the most logical reads for the rest of the time im alive
i have no hope in myself to find anything more than one scum per game

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It's probably in {Arte, Elsa, Jim, Norwe, Moz}.

that or ill stick to this ^ since i agree with this pretty much completely

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im now officially the 2nd highest poster
all i need to do is nightkill flow trap to prevent him from posting any further and cement the w

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but what about you?

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UNVOTE: Jim

I saw an unvote request?

boring

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Why would i hammer Jim when i just voted Anya and we have 1 day left?

aint no way in hell town collectively agrees to make a cw even though the majority of us either nullread or scumread jim

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UNVOTE: Jim

I saw an unvote request?

boring

Actually, getting closer and closer to deadline is pretty thrilling

but having the hypothetical guillotine about to drop is cooler

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norwegian: agrees theres some sense to the jim wagon, not opposed to people hammering
also norwegian a few posts later:

Why would i hammer Jim when i just voted Anya and we have 1 day left?

aint no way in hell town collectively agrees to make a cw even though the majority of us either nullread or scumread jim

We have time. I don't like how this wagon is being rushed here. If we have only a couple hours left i would vote Jim here but i'm not going to be pressured when it's not necessary. And i want to be sure this is the right choice.

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by all means feel free to not vote jim norwegian but thats just a bit iffy dawg

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@Norwegian or you stop pissing about and have the guts to vote jim

Your getting peer pressured by 3 people now Norway. Now if you don't do it you're a super coward.

ok dont do this please thanks

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by all means feel free to not vote jim norwegian but thats just a bit iffy dawg

Why?

i dont like the contradiction of you being fine with the wagon a little while earlier but suddenly shifting gears and being worried about it being too rushed or not the right choice
im not gonna act like its a scumtell though because its not

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This is the current top wagon at the end of the day and i want to understand why it's come to be and if the slots pushing it actually are trustworthy, sure i admitted Jim looked scummy for that post earlier but it doesn't hurt to make sure it's the right path.
Anyway, if anyone was scum with Jim here they would probably just hammer him right away to get rid of the baggage.

if by that last sentence you are implying theres likely scum on the jim wagon already youre probably right?
i think jims scum but some of the reasons people have voted him are less than ideal, take kitty's for example

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There is a time limit. We one day, which in the worLd of MafiaScum, where people aren't always very active, isn't very long.
No elimination is obv. disater for town.
Bottom line: Jim is best candidate we have. Exterminate, exterminate, EXTERMINATE!

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This is the current top wagon at the end of the day and i want to understand why it's come to be and if the slots pushing it actually are trustworthy, sure i admitted Jim looked scummy for that post earlier but it doesn't hurt to make sure it's the right path.
Anyway, if anyone was scum with Jim here they would probably just hammer him right away to get rid of the baggage.

if by that last sentence you are implying theres likely scum on the jim wagon already youre probably right?
i think jims scum but some of the reasons people have voted him are less than ideal, take kitty's for example

mind you i dont like the anya wagon at all so /shrug

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dont make me explain why im confident in this read for a third time please i beg you

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dont make me explain why im confident in this read for a third time please i beg you

repeat it because i think you have nothing here.

right sorry i need to take lessons on casing from Mx. 'their vibe seems to be like they want to force through any viable elim'

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Not a very good answer Zoomer.

unless im misunderstanding the post and they arent saying my reasons are weak but rather they straight up dont remember already asking me this question then i dont see the problem here

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Jim already claimed vt

would you expect scum!jim to claim VT here?

yes

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dont make me explain why im confident in this read for a third time please i beg you

repeat it because i think you have nothing here.

right sorry i need to take lessons on casing from Mx. 'their vibe seems to be like they want to force through any viable elim'

id rather be called a slur than mx thanks.

jim was this inactive when they were freaking mason. maybe a bit less so cause they had people to encourage them to post more.

this shift into more inactiveness pleads that they are solo and uninformed to me based on their personality here.

my b thats just what came up for gender neutral term for mr/mrs and i couldnt really complete the sarcasm without giving a title like mr/mrs

their activity may have been the same in those games however their posting style was vastly different, they took initiative to start conversation, they happily provided their opinions, and he hasnt at all reacted to the pressure we gave him in order for him to post more

jim has also played incredibly safe, been very vague with his reads and opinions and has hopped on every convenient conversation train he could in the span of his 17 posts within 41 pages

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Jim already claimed vt

would you expect scum!jim to claim VT here?

yes

Why? What about the gamestate suggests that to you?

i dont know about other sites but im assuming he only plays on ms, which means he would be pretty new to scum, and more often than not new scum is going to claim vt

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3rd post in 2190

Okay. I just read through the whole thread.

Unvote

There is a lot of nonsense filler posting to sort through. Brb.

weird unvote off of a slot that doesn't even have any pressure
why not figure out a better vote and pivot then? nobody is going to think worse of you to keep yur rvs vote

Just from skimming through the thread this morning, I could tell we were out of the RVS. Even though the vote didn't have any pressure, I didn't want to leave a random vote on a player without having caught up.
That having been said, if tris hadn't replaced in for Eoosa, I was ready to vote Eoosa right now. Maybe I'm over thinking this, but if Eoosa was scum and starting to get bandwagoned...replacing out would actually be a good move to save the scum slot. I'm going to keep my eye on tris, but I also don't want to hold them accountable for Eoosa's erratic posting.

bugspray came in pretty aggressive, but I'm reading them as town atm. And like Eoosa, Andresvmb also had a lot of meaningless filler posts in the first few pages, but I'm not sure I have a read either way on them.

Town: DkKoba, Cook, Facebones, bugspray
Scum: tris/Esooa?
Null: Andresvmb, nopointinactingup, Prince Zuko, Polaris, Egix96, geraintm, RLotus

4th post in this game

I feel kind of left out of the convo, since I don't have the meta on everyone else like y'all do. I think some of you a grasping at straws and baiting people to over-react so as to build a case against them. I'm not really sure what else to say or do, other than doing some meta-reads on y'all from some previous games.

you can see vast differences in the playstyles

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their reads are horribly weak, lackluster, and half-assed this game compared to the game they played with you as well

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VOTE: Jim Hawkins

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their reads are horribly weak, lackluster, and half-assed this game compared to the game they played with you as well

they had a mason PT in that game.

and? those were still their personal reads regardless of influence from other players
but if you want to play like that you can see the same differences when looking at newbie 1904

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if its town im just gonna bury my head in the sand for the rest of the game as im already not confident in my play /shrug

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Jim already claimed vt

would you expect scum!jim to claim VT here?

yes

Why? What about the gamestate suggests that to you?

i dont know about other sites but im assuming he only plays on ms, which means he would be pretty new to scum, and more often than not new scum is going to claim vt

with 2 partners???

cmon lol

arte and one of {elsa, kitty}
its not like he has no potential partners out there

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pageget

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You don't know my intentions. I'm the OG chaotic neutral. I helped town by getting more stuff outta Norway, Flow, and even you. I did my job as a townie. I didn't let the game stall.

two of those players have the most posts out of the entire game so there isnt much you can get out of them that they arent already sharing themselves

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i know i know
ill learn someday

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Wait, did I just get E'd? Oh well. I really was town, btw.

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i also enjoy twilight trolling

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I have a feeling they're not trolling

just let me have this fake confidence for a little longer

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Any last reads, Jimbo?

Anya, Elsa, Kitty

ok lets assume all 3 scum arent on your wagon if youre town
who else would you say could be maf?

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i also enjoy twilight trolling

Top notch reference.

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VOTE: Ginger Handbag

so is kitty ginger handbag?

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VOTE: Anya
purely sheep vote

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do people thinking this conflict is Town v wolf actually mean you'll flip Norwegian tomorrow?

i intend to never let norwegian off in a tvs situation ever again

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Aww Zoomer.
You love me.

its hard to love you when you betray me
please dont make it happen again

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Town
Flow
Zoomer
Dkk
Elsa
Norwegian

Kitty or Not Mafia

Rathe scum
Owen scum

anya?

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shooting in anya/norwegian is much better here as im inclined to believe its tvs

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people who are being wagoned that are content with a 1for1 even if they go first, from what i've learned, aren't trustworthy
especially, anya, youre fine with going first but youve doubled down on norwegian yet not supplied any further information that should be coming from a town member whos content with death
koba tried to get you involved by asking who you think can be scum on the jim wagon but you completely dodged the question

mind you my whole bias towards giving up rather than continuing fighting stems from a huge mistake i made in a prior game but nevertheless it just feels off

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VOTE: Elsa

zoomer i don't really mind either way or more i would obviously rather vote out Norwegian first but it's not the end of the world if you vote me

i am basically distancing from the emotional distraught i will feel upon being voted out

perhaps im being overly cautious and shit but like i said, got ptsd from fucking up

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so wait kitty is cycling? mate

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so wait kitty is cycling? mate

What does cycling mean in this context?

nm nickname for either kitty or anya that has no semblance of logic

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Wouldn't ginger handbags be considered tacky by some people

yeah thats why i originally assumed it could be kitty
but given the most recent wagon sprouting up being kitty, notmafia bringing up cycling made me think otherwise

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Are we debating the nicknames again? Ignore them until he produces good content. Simple.

he is making content but hes putting it under one hundred layers of irony
if it can be picked a part then his opinion will be heard

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

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Happy birthday. But why vote me?

because im sheeping koba

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i mean for what its worth i tried to go after elsa early day 1

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Not at all keen on Eso's vote on Elsa, really got a wagon going on someone who has softed a town PR. With NM lurking in the wings, this was a shit vote.

VOTE: mozamis

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going back to bed

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really didnt like mozs catchup
their reaction to the prs felt especially forced

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Explain to me why it makes sense.
Are you saying you think they are both real claims?

if one of the claims are to be fake it would be elsa since he only specified he was simple after anya mentioned her modifier however counterpart roles are common, shit like even-night/odd-night doctor setups

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Catchups that take multiple posts does seem sketchy but I've met people who do it all the time. Like Almost50 does that.

how does that take away from mozamis catchup being wolfy? if this is a defense its very flimsy

pedit: yeah im not scrutinizing you here im just saying in a world where one of you HAS to be lying itd probably be you

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i can also vote norwe

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mm
hot take

VOTE: eso

i think this is the safest vote here - ive bee n having my eye on this slot for a while and like theyve been so weirdly under the radar for a while and gamestate just really suggests this slot is scum and im like going thru a lot of reeval rn and trying to see a world where both anya and elsa could be town - eso is scum independently of this


also i think norwee's reaction to all this discussion feels weird and i may be inclined to agree that is also scum there.

not really a hot take
lots of people are probably willing to vote me they just thought there were others that are scummier

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zoomer you should vote for Norwegian while you still have time and it doesn't look survivalistic

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using me lurking as an argument for scum!me is only a fair argument if it lines up with my meta

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anya is cycling
what?!

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they both can find prs cant they? unless they dont get a notification for when their action fails but that wouldnt make sense

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UNVOTE:

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i unvoted because i didnt like the wagon composition all too much but ive changed my mind again
VOTE: mozamis

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also when thinking about it, town roleblocker doesnt sit right with me
i think we dont necessarily clear kitty

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saying what me and norwegian are doing is purely setup speculation is a load of shit and blatant misrepresentation of what weve said
not to speak for norwegian but hes using the setup to support his reads (specifically on anya) and so am i

its mad picking on lhf vibes

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also townbinning anya and elsa here is the right call and trying to shade elsa purely because he claimed under duress is sus as fuck

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trying to shade elsa purely because he claimed under duress is sus as fuck

Read what I said. Elsa is so likely town. What I didnt realise was that they were E-1 at the time. My bungle.
But I still dont think it makes much difference.They are town.
Thanks for the BS tho!

thats purely setting up the bait for a later day

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or hes genuinely trying thus he doesnt want to vote someone he doesnt scumread?

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oh you said

maybe

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im vt

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anywho, if possible try and find a lynch target that isnt me cus i dont want to completely sabotage this game any further after being the main force pushing the last wagons

dont see why moz just doesnt claim

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two people other than me that have consistently been on town wagons is owen and nm but itd be quite hypocritical for me to pursue them because of that /shrug

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Probably cause they weren't there?

They were at lychee-3 when they left

id say thats still a fine spot to claim but still im not gonna act like hes at all at fault, just annoyed

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rathe kill is bizarre as the only person he really called out before the end of the day was norwegian, he did suspect elsa but he changed his mind

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with how abundant town is of prs a roleblocker seems mildly antitown

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do we have a town redirector or some shit?
i still cant make heads or tails of that kill, one of norwegian/kitty is lying about their role

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do we have a town redirector or some shit?
i still cant make heads or tails of that kill, one of norwegian/kitty is lying about their role

Redirectors aren't normal.

twas not serious