Mini Normal 2199: Baseball (Over)

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VOTE: Rathe

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RVS pain

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Now RVS is Niap

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That was a good opening

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Thank you. You joined on my Birthday so that's a good omen for me to trust you. Also good avatar and compliments me. Triple whammy.

We are now allies in our endeavor to capture all scum! Unless your scum too. I'll catch you last then.

Every ally I've had so far on this site has backstabbed me, I'll pass

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Are you trying to pocket me

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Like pool?

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VOTE: esotericzoomer

Egos are what bring towns to their demise.

oh boy do i know that

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VOTE: Elsa

pocketing is illlegal

Well, I'm no 8-ball

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VOTE: UNOwen

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I'm scared of what Else will do on page 4

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This is my 48th game

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Not counting the hundreds of mafia.gg games I've played

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What about you?

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What about you?

Total noob.

How much general manipulation/social skill do you have

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Called it.

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"The" tracker or "a" tracker?

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Well I've never played a closed before so I wouldn't know

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Correction, I've played 1 or 2 closed, but they were chaos games

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Read the first page but skipped everything else. Um:

VOTE: Elsa Jay idk

Why did you only read 1 page out of like 2 1/2

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Probably

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(Insert fake surprised reaction here and check off bingo square)

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I rarely speak in definetes

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Forced reaction

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Fair & proven

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Ego

Bravo

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I have convened with the gods!

They do not appreciate the sarcasm

VOTE: norweegaboo

I was just making a rhyme

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Read the first page but skipped everything else. Um:

VOTE: Elsa Jay idk

Why did you only read 1 page out of like 2 1/2

Probably

forced interest

this leans town imo, not sure how you can construe this as "sus"?

Does it lean town? Tell me how
It was the most sus thing I had seen in the whole thread

The person who makes the claim has to prove it, not saying I wouldn't like an explanation myself

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It would also be wise to explain your side though

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Want to hear from Owen

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I'm TRing Elsa, Zulfy, & Kitty

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You can fakeclaim whenever you like. That's what I do.

For example I'm the Tracker.

Vote:Elsa Jay

You're too weird. It definitely feels like a cover.

Why the double surprised emojis to that though

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That was towny

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VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Can the 4 place their votes, even if it's on someone with no votes

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I finally meet the legendary NM

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Out of interest, I've been away for 3 years, why is called E-1 not L-1 now?
And welcome Not Mafia, your name seems familiar so I think we played together many moons ago, or maybe you were a mod. Anyway, welcome!

Eliminated

I prefer Lycheed, nothing like firing a plant at someone

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Kind of waiting for Rathe to speak

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VOTE: Rathe

I'm impatient

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I like my vote, don't like the pivot from mozamis.

I'm TRing Elsa, Zulfy, & Kitty

What's the Kitty townread about?

The declaring that RVS was over post was towny imo

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The declaring that RVS was over post was towny imo

Fair enough. Why were you voting Norwegian?

Dynamics

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I already know who every member of the town amd every member of the mafia is at this point. Ask me anything.

Anything?

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Yes anything

I asked you anything

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Cause you only voted

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But you need to talk, it's half the game

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Yes anything

Which King of England was married to Eleanor of Aquitaine?

next question!

Is the person below me town or mafia?

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I predict NM will purposefully make their post the 11th one down

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Competitive posting?

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If anything they're more town bcs of that

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If anything they're more town bcs of that

Maths doesn't lie

You can lie with math

For example there is a correlation between chewing gum and mouth cancer

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Graphing and correlation is math

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Personal Incredulity fallacy

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dunning-Kruger effect

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Alternate personalities

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VOTE:  Jim Hawkins

Please vote

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VOTE:  Jim Hawkins

Please vote

Please iso my only post

It didn't say that on the vote list last time

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Sounds like the Chainsaw Defense (defending someone by voting against the one who voted against them). Kinda sus.

You're too trigger happy with this explanation

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flow what do u think of mozamis?

Hm... I'm reading it as town excitement, but nothing strong yet. I can kind of understand the vote as even though they aren't that scummy, they are less towny

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VOTE: UNOwen

Can we get real-time interaction from Owen & Moz

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Btw Elsa, who are you tunneling

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I think kitty is my top tr atm

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What are your thoughts on Owen/Moz, Elsa?

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I think that's circular logic in regards to Owen pushing them

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I might be oversimplifying but

1. Owen is mafia because they are pushing a town Moz
2. Moz is town because they are being pushed by a maf Owen

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Don't try to appeal to me and just give your thoughts

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Phrasing is important especially in this game .-.

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I don't want easy, I want fun

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I don't think I'll ever be voting to shoot NM today, they've already caused reactions by existing

I also don't think I'll be voting kitty, but TRs can change unlike records

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I'm impossible to eliminate day 1, even though several players always want to.

And yes, this is a challenge

Is it a challenge to Zoomer, or anyone else specifically?

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Q's for Kitty:
- Why are you on my don't trust list?

How are they supposed to answer this?

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How are they supposed to respond in any way other than I don't know or anything of similar matter

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I will wait for a response before I continue if I do

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I mean, if they knew what they were doing was scummy, they wouldn't do it?

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Would you shade me for no reason?

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Yes, unless it was an unknowing action

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So the point of the question is that I said I didn't trust Kitty without explanation, but still made it into his town group. So I assume he thinks there was a reason.

Reads aren't mutual?

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Explain Kitty

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I'm not a fan of the way he's quick to pull chainsaw out of his ass when I shifted against him but like, this makes me look even more sideways.

I am pretty much a noob regarding forum mafia. On a serious non-RVS note, DkKoba is my strongest TR right now.

I will post my full reads later today I think.

Sure you

can

fakeclaim whatever and whenever you like. For example I could claim The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lasers Out Of Its Ass.

Whether it helps town is another question...

I don't like how he claims to be a noob, but pulls this very specific fake claim from out of no where

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Of_Its_Ass the joke is real, but old as hell so it isn't something someone who is new would know about, much less claim. He also has strangely mafiaesque lingo for a newb as well. Willing to bet this flips red

They are playing a normal game, & it is wise to take a look at the wiki roles

Example: I did before this game

The "chainsaw" post is towny, I don't see scum doing that

Also, they've done the exact same argument before as town

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Yes, well I still don't see scum saying it

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I think some of you a grasping at straws and baiting people to over-react

It's the early game, we need to start with something; over-react is an exaggeration, most people just want to get reactions

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The disconnect could be you having the least amount of posts?

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Well male your own topics then

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*make

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Kitty, I think you're taking the chainsaw thing way out of proportion to what easily could be a coincidence

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Owen was right about you picking the easy options

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That's true about any 4 people

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No, much less likely to be ANY scum in Elsa, You,Norwegian, Dkk. They all seem likely town. The other four don't.

If all of us have an 84% chance of being town, there is still a 50% chance of one of us being scum

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That's the pregame maths though, right? (maths was never my strong suit).
Now we have some info, which makes me think it's likely that Elsa and co are town, and likely that Unowen and co are scum.
Put a number on it if you like, but that doesn't matter that much. All we need is a best guess at this stage.

No, the pregame odds are 71%

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I'm almost certain Kitty & Art aren't partners

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I going do a read list... when my computer internet works

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I don't like the kitty wannavotes

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I didn't get the other 4 before my internet crashed again

Esotericzoomer - Generally sarcastic & skeptical, which is town; however it does seem
to be toned down a bit since the last time I’ve played with them. I wouldn’t count that
for much since they’ve had generally less to react to. - Null Town
Artemiana - Not sure if on purpose, but definitely blendy. I was looking at the player list
around page 10, & I literally didn’t recognize who that was. They accuse Moz of making
a weird argument (which wasn’t so weird when I think of the explanation) and then
accuse kitty because they used an old reference. It really looks like they are accusing
Norwee of being scum for using sarcasm. Would like to mention, they were using
sarcasm (post 242). - Leaning Scum
KittyTacky - Posts 116 & 241 are town to me, I really don’t see scum making the
chainsaw defense in the way that they did and they are also sticking to their guns about
it. I don’t see how they aren’t stepping on any toes when they accused someone of a
chainsaw defense, which involves calling 2 people scum. I think they could be more
diverse in their reads though. - Strong Town
Rathe - Would be good if they could post more; the high density in what they have is
good though. - Null town
Not_Mafia - They vibing - Don’t want to shoot
UNOwen - They are quiet. I’m finding the fair enough posts town, but I’m probably
biased. The “Why are you on my don't trust list?” was confusing, but I wouldn’t call it
outright scummy. I just find logic/planning types hard to read in general. - Null
Zulfy - Similar to Owen, but they’re bolder with their logic and also more sound with it -
Null town
Elsa Jay - I really like their opening, but they’ve become passive since around post 200
which I don’t like. The openness to the pocket is something. If anything it’s probably
more towny since some town actually like to not appear scummy to distract from the
other players. - Null Scum

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Norwee of being scum for using sarcasm. Would like to mention, they were using
sarcasm (post 242). - Leaning Scum

Post 242 is not a post i made.

Because I was talking about Art

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I did not do Norwee yet

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Why is scum unlikely to use chainsaw?

I didn't say that

How is just as important as what

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Ok I've made up my mind, Owen is more on the town side
It's probably better that ktty answers the line of questioning

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I don't think moz is taking the easy path because it's the easy path, I can get where they are coming from when they say a lot of the active side seems town

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@Jim - did you have a similar difficulty getting involved in your previous games?

Looking at their previous game, they made a small readlist in the 350s and they were more involved

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I am pretty much a noob regarding forum mafia. On a serious non-RVS note, DkKoba is my strongest TR right now.

I will post my full reads later today I think.

Not what I'm doing.

I never once even mentioned the world alt in regards to my read on kitty

I don't understand the correlation between the quoted post and yours

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The quoted post is the primary reason for my scum read on kitty

I call it the noobtell

I... still don't understand

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So jim, Eso, Kitty should move their votes.
In fairness, no one is voting for DDk, Flow or Norwegian, but yeah the Elsa wagon needs to disband.

I'm ok with the Elsa wagon until they step it up a bit, as it kind of seems they're scum taking the TR and being passive

I wouldn't personally vote it, yet

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VOTE: Jim

My vote was old and not doing anything anymore

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i dont know about jim yet but i dont think that its a good counterwagon

Why not?

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not enough to sort properly so i wont compromise today

Who's your top 3 candidates then

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Do we need to bring out the icebreakers?

Actually, maybe it'll help Jim

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Might be reading it wrong but discounting your SRs' posts seems like a good way to get in a feedback loop

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Jim, can you talk about esotericzoomer/Artemiana/KittyTacky/Rathe/Zulfy

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Watch it be Moz & Elsa

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Elsa, you're not really living up to your first post

I still want Moz to do real-time things

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How can you hammer if you're already on them?

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UNVOTE: Jim

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cowardice

I'm not shooting someone halfway through the time limit

I don't like you rushing to a vote

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i'm new here from mafia universe going to show you all what you've been missing out on

I left there a long time ago

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i'm new here from mafia universe going to show you all what you've been missing out on

I left there a long time ago

your loss

Well if you subtract a negative it's a positive

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VOTE: Anya

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i'm new here from mafia universe going to show you all what you've been missing out on

I left there a long time ago

your loss

VOTE: Anya

Flow Trap so angry at former Mafia Universe comrade trying to force him back he gotta vote em.

I don't really PL people (excluding afks when there is no anti-afk system), I just don't like them rushing the round

Also, I don't like not voting anyone which is mostly why I voted them

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That is e-2 correct?

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Anya's entrance looks townie, unless she's confident scum. Can't see myself voting for her today.

90% of the People from MU are confident

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Where is this coming from all of a sudden

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It's about time something happened with the Moz wagon

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it says in my role i have a vote and i'm using it on a wolf

I guess if you vote a lot of people you'll vote a wolf eventually

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I mean technically there is an 80% chance you've voted a wolf at some point

70% from my POV & 75% from yours

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75% both

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

Do things

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Readlist

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How can you tell they have experience?

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And where did they say to go easy on them?

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That and can Anya provide a serious reason for a vote?

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Hm... I think Elsa would be paired with Jim/Art/Anya+DK/Norwee/Zoomer

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Hm... I think Elsa would be paired with Jim/Art/Anya+DK/Norwee/Zoomer

how the fuck did you get that I would be paired with elsa, and especially with anya??

(If Elsa is scum)

A. Elsa is calm, so I think one of their partners would be a widely TR leaned player with not much attention
B. Elsa isn't pushing anyone which makes me think that one of the top canadites right now would be partnered

I guess that would be Moz/Jim rather than Jim/Art/Anya

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alright checking the MU ban thread right now

I had that thought

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I thought Jim was previously nicknamed Gym

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I was wrong I have bad memory

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I think it's water torture

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And I'm jim problem solved

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my life is a lie

Well, only 3/4ths of it, the other part is an f

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Shouldn't trust me anyways ;P

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so youre telling me town!notmafia would be different than scum!notmafia? in what way?

I would like to point out that 1 player I've come across had a scumtell of saying a variation of "I'm ready" at the start of the game, so you have to find the little things

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But that comment about having an extra vote waiting in the wings to hammer was super sus.

That was Anya

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You didn't breadcrumb you left entire loaves of bread if that's the case

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i have another vote waiting in the wings

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yeah, no

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Yeah,no

I've seen no explanation

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So now I think they're more town

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no interest to solve from them

I present to you: Elsa

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Hm... actually I don't want to go there yet

Yeah wagon is fine for now, want a defense first

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KittyTacky - But I can see why Arte is tunneling....Kitty got caught trying to be both newb and seasoned, which is confusing and a minus. They give reads and opinions, which is a plus. But that comment about having an extra vote waiting in the wings to hammer was super sus.

VOTE: Kitty They are all over the place and contradicting themselves in their own explanations.

I'd guess this is scum realising he's sinking and getting in some distancing, because there's no reason Jim couldn't have made comments like these at any other time previously.

Well, I'd rather go Jim then

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More down from Elsa/Norwee/Kitty then

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See/respond to 802

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I'm TRing Norwee, this feels like a maf push

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I'm TRing Norwee, this feels like a maf push

From who do you think?

Probably art

A. Already SR them
B. I think they were the 3rd vote, rule of 3rd
C. They didn't explain their vote
D. They peaced out afterwards

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I don't think their vote was that bad, this justification doesn't seem like your typical scum justfication, i also disagree that they just placed their vote and left it at that, they clearly had some progression going from what i can see in their ISO.

That was an explanation?

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I guess that's just confbias on my part

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I need a thinking emoji

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Hold on now, you can't present this banana, you need to present the photo of the banana, they are completely different

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I'd say there is as much stated for Jim as Norwee

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you better kill me in the night Norwegian

You're just asking for a frame job

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VOTE: Jim

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I vote for you or mozamis

I would like if you could elaborate more on both because most town does at least something scummy

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I would like if you could elaborate more on both because most town does at least something scummy

???

I mean, I believe you have only gave a sentence or 2 about each one

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I understand

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Sometimes you just gotta wait till day 2 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I usually wait til lylo or 1/2 away from lylo

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I still dont anyone scummier than Jim, Rathe, Owen.
Def not Norweg or Eso.

Why is Norwee town?

Norwee is a person who has an opinion and isn't afraid to share it. He's aggressive and active and none of those things are prevalent here.

Well, they've come up recently

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Are posts like 853 & 831 not what you're talking about

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Well, they are from MU which has shorter days, but it does seem more extreme than seems towny

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Well, they are from MU which has shorter days, but it does seem more extreme than seems towny

Actually, they seem extreme so maybe it's just them

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To everyone currently voting for me: Are you all voting for me because I'm the easy choice? Or because I am the best choice? What do you hope to learn or gain after my elim? Who on my wagon do you think might actually be scum?

Best choice (1 of 2 anyways). My only SRs are Art, You,Anya, & Elsa. Anya isn't as strong and also they're pushing a lot of people which will help with pair analysis down the line. I don't want to vote Elsa this round. You have been acting differently compared to your other games.

If there absolutely had to be scum on the wagon, I would go with Moz if you flip town; if you flip scum, hm... probably Owen would most likely out of the 3 to bus you. I don't see Moz bussing you here and Eso & you don't have a partner feel.

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you'll see by the end of this game that i have the superior reads

No comment

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i am town so calling me scum makes me think u r

This is conditional and also town can be wrong

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Yeah, we're stalling out

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Aren't breadcrumbs supposed to be vague?

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Oh, well then I just give an in-depth analysis of every post in the game to up my post count so high you can't pass it

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first VOTE: jim hawkins

you know why

This RVS vote is town, I have been analysing RVS votes for a bit now so a minor plus for DK

VOTE: Dkkoba

you know why

Second Copy Rule, which is also a minor plus

VOTE: Rathe

Shortest name vote

RVS pain

I got flashbacks from my time on a site where almost nothing is done in round 1

RVS pain

Flip your state of mind.

Now RVS is fun.

Fun doesn't appear as opposite of Pain in the thesaurus

Now RVS is Niap

Actually, I guess it would be uᴉɐd

VOTE: DkKoba

First posters are scum of course.

This RVS vote is also fine

VOTE: DkKoba

First posters are scum of course.

everytime i was first to post in thread i have been town everytime - so false!

This is both good and bad logic

VOTE: Dkkoba

you know why

not to towntell or anything, but i forgot you were in this game

Not to be anti-vax, but how does that towntell?

There once was a Queen who played Mafia freely. Who helped many town and scum alike across many dimensions known as 'games'. Her name was Elsa.

One day, however, her and her sister finally decided to take a break for awhile. A Cryo-pod was made and both sisters have been put away. Many wondered if they would ever awaken again.

There was no need to worry, however, as six months later Elsa first awakens in a new city. The gimmick this time appears to be Baseball and she sees it's a Mini as well. Usually she gets the Large games, but a Mini shall help her remember her skills well.

She looks around at the 12 others surrounding her. If memory served her well that meant there would be 3 scum to find. That meant 25% of them were evil. She wonders what she should say in order to make a good first impression.

Thinking long and hard, she just smiles and says the first words she knows will inspire confidence in the town and show she will lead them well.

"What's up fuckers, the Queen is back in town and ready to beat the shit outta evil-doers!"

She smiles to herself and awaits further conversation and discovery.

This opening is good but doesn't deliver later

That was a good opening

See above

Thank you. You joined on my Birthday so that's a good omen for me to trust you. Also good avatar and compliments me. Triple whammy.

We are now allies in our endeavor to capture all scum! Unless your scum too. I'll catch you last then.

I don't think pocket attempts are this obvious

VOTE: DkKoba

First posters are scum of course.

everytime i was first to post in thread i have been town everytime - so false!

The tells contradict each other-- you must be a third-party role then, obviously.

Wouldn't it be more like Politician?

egopost

k

VOTE: esotericzoomer

Egos are what bring towns to their demise.

No, mafia is

Thank you. You joined on my Birthday so that's a good omen for me to trust you. Also good avatar and compliments me. Triple whammy.

We are now allies in our endeavor to capture all scum! Unless your scum too. I'll catch you last then.

Every ally I've had so far on this site has backstabbed me, I'll pass

Foreshadowing?

Come on Flow. You've got a friend in me!

Only if you step it up

Are you trying to pocket me

Foreshadowing?

First I'm to get a friend. Pocketing comes later.

I prefer to have my friendships out of the game

Like pool?

I'm currently obsessed with pool so I had to make this joke

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congrats you increased your post count as much as i did with this post

Yeah well I wanted to do 2 posts per page, but now I'm burnt out

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UNVOTE: Jim

I saw an unvote request?

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Well, someone had an objection

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Well, I'd say we need more time to discuss since it started back up again and we have 2 candidates instead of 1 with a couple of other options floating around

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Coward.

You should explain why you want Norwee to vote Jim

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UNVOTE: Jim

I saw an unvote request?

boring

Actually, getting closer and closer to deadline is pretty thrilling

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I would like to hear from DK before I vote Jim again

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I would also like Norwee to vote first next round

Why?

Because they requested the unvote

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I would also like Norwee to vote first next round

What do you mean?

I don't want anyone else to vote before you

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ can't say

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ can't say

That's such an strange request so i'm really curious why.

It's also not very consequential, so I don't need to say yet

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That would be Anya, Elsa, & Moz?

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That would be Anya, Elsa, & Moz?

indeed. a group of players I have actually been looking into as a scumpool for a while now, perhaps not at the same time throughout the day but on and off all 3 names have been contenders fmpov.

Do you think they all still have scum potential if Jim flips maf?

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dont make me explain why im confident in this read for a third time please i beg you

Sometimes you gotta repeat your main points

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I've never played normal forum closed, so how useful are claims from 0-10?

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Not a very good answer Zoomer.

I believe that's normal Zoomer sarcasm

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Jim already claimed vt

would you expect scum!jim to claim VT here?

This is WIFOMy

Hmm it kind of feels like a non-controversial claim, which sticks with how they were playing if they are scum, so I wouldn't discount it

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I think Koba's actions here are towny

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Lychee

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You can use my lychee cannon

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I think Anya is chaotic neutral at this point

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I was waiting for that

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Hey guys, what's up?

Jim's number of votes

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DK, you're kind of comparing Apples to Oranges, I don't understand what info you're getting

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DK, you're kind of comparing Apples to Oranges, I don't understand what info you're getting

Are you trying to glean a difference between a mason game and this game?