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[Alisae]

I just woke up and there’s 16 pages

[Alisae]

I’ll be back later

[Alisae]

Pooky seems more like a bear than a wolf to me because he is thinking hard about Ydrasse's behaviour

I mean
He’s pookythemagicalbear not Pookythemagicalwolf for a reason

[Alisae]

btw I'ma probably read up soonish or no one is around since its easier to keep up with things when they're not moving.
who are the known alts?

[Alisae]

glad to see we stopped posting.
I'll catch-up now.

[Alisae]

Hello everyone

I am seriously surprised that almost the entire plist is in my friend list, i love you all!

Hello again chara ydrasse and alisae, long time no see SS menalque skitter norwegian and suji, and nice to meet you to the others

It's amazing how coming back to ms revives so many memories

hello sir its good to see you again

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The evidence is overwhelming

I just need to find their third partner

its probably someone who hasn't posted yet

Alisae

there we go

Alisae-Ydrasse-Hectic

HEWOOOSOLVE

True I would def tell Ydra and Hectic to bus me so they could have some privacy.
And also so that they don't have to deal with me

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I am a

vanilla townie

I would never do something like

lie

about my role

As I am aligned with the

town

faction i am planning to do

not very much

and to allow the

good players

present to carry me to an easy

victory

Thank you all for your

time

VOTE: mena
no idea why this is happening if ur a villager.
very weirdchamp.

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Ok i don't care about pocketing anymore, i want a date with ydrasse

Also VOTE: alisae you're late to the party and i miss you

Ya I was asleep and I also decided not to post anything until ywall were done so that catching up is easier.
i miss you too sir yes sir

[Alisae]

i'm kinda (?) getting townvibes from pooky and mena as well

Why mena?

(Yeah, sorry mena)

i like the way he's being chill, and his repated

claiming like this

while probably fake feels kinda townie to me

What?

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Suji is probably town

Weird how I scumread this person but like i probably shouldn't be cuz they're posting things like this which is fine

By the way, what do you think of skitter's 33 then?

Thank you for pointing this out. I do not have an opinion currently.

The reason for a light townread makes sense to me despite not being able to get the same myself. I do not see anything alignment indicative about Something_Smart’s first posts.

Do you think otherwise?

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i'm actually getting scumpings from ydrasse

What?????

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I don't think ydrasse is scum but i still think skitter is +town for pushing there

Also 3 am, good night. Please don't flood the thread overnight, catching up from mobile is terribugly

@alisae get here i need your input to make things work

Okay well for starters.
I like Ydra and Legolucy.
U seem fine so far? I think?
I dislike Mena cuz I have no idea what he's doing if he's a villager, I dislike skitter because that townread on mena is sus, and I don't like Suji based on gut but I don't care about this too much. Like I could see Suji being a villager but also I can see it not being a villager its weird.

[Alisae]

The Esteemed Alisae agrees with my reading

true

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enh that's not fully what I was going for but it's close

"im just going to flirt every game until people realize it's not ai"

this line implies that she needs to flirt every game UNTIL we realize its not AI.

as in future games.

as in she will flip red here and we will think its AI.

because if she flips green here, we will know its not AI - and she wouldn't have to "flirt every game to make us realize its not AI" - we'd realize it as soon as she flips green here.

but she's saying she has to flirt every game, to make us realize its not AI.

basically this is classic "caught for the wrong reasons" scum response.

we caught her as scum for something she would do as town.

and she's telling us she's gonna do it every game

in order to make us understand it's not AI.

as in we will think its AI

because

she will flip red this game.

But she's going to make us realize it's actually not AI, by flirting in every game she plays.

Are you just scum?
tbh idc about this.
you can kill ydra that's fine but if she flips town u will feel my fury as I try to kill you unsuccesfully.

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Maybe the fact that Ydrasse hasn't seemed like scum to me is fueling that as well

we vibin

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Ydrasse's indignation and defensiveness feels like she's more upset at not being able to have fun because she's getting scumread for it, meaning it wasn't some ploy or alignment based plan in the first place. I think the playstyle is probably not dependent on her alignment based on her reaction.

we vibin

[Alisae]

So I don't like any of {Pooky, Suji, Skitter, Mena}. Maybe like 2 scum in here?
which makes me think I'm either rly woke or wrong.

I can easily see myself being wrong on Suji.
I don't think Pooky and Mena are both town.

I'm vibing with Luca, Day.
Lucy seems townie.
Ydra I think is townie so far but like if she dies it probably helps me ig. Either pooky is right, I'm wrong, and I need to reassess or pooky is just scum.
Fark seems fine so far

[Alisae]

Wow Norwegian, who so defensive lol

I actually do SR 534. I’ll go into detail when I’m on a computer

Defensive Norwee is town Norwee.
Looking forward to it.

If you’re Town then relax and I’ll see it

Why are you so threatened if you’re town

he feels threatened because ur attacking him and his response is a self-defense mechanism that happens automatically.

[Alisae]

being scumread is an attack, no?

[Alisae]

being scumread is an attack, no?

Read again, he said he saw me as a threat before I SR him

I don't care enough to do that tbh.
I'm not saying that you're right or you're wrong or that he's right or that he's wrong
You just asked why is he reacting this way and I'm telling you why. I don't think there's anything you can tell me that would convince me that this reaction is unusual for norwee.

[Alisae]

tbh I regret posting

[Alisae]

shoulda just read and kept my thoughts to myself
/me sigh

[Alisae]

PEDIT: HI ALISAE LET ME CATCHUP AND I'LL GIVE YOU LOVE

Hello Farkran my old friend

[Alisae]

Really tho when Farkran joins a game people be like:

[Alisae]

I'd probably also be okay with killing pooky tbh

[Alisae]

pooky feels like he has an agenda and its scummy

[Alisae]

ya idunno maybe i should just vote it
VOTE: pooky

[Alisae]

cuz we're double the trouble

[Alisae]

fark u need anything else from me or am i good to call it a night

[Alisae]

cool

[Alisae]

I don't really like any of ali's takes

cuz ali is scum lol

Ah ya, that’s totally why even tho when I’m scum I don’t go against the grain but scumread the low hanging fruits.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae

E tipped her hand too early

Like this is textbook OMGUS.
Never thought I would be saying that but I am.
I really dunno how to describe it like
Pooky is probably only making this move cuz I called him out for it.

[Alisae]

Is Ali the one who suspected Day? Maybe I misrememberered

That’s Farkran

[Alisae]

cuz ali is scum lol

Does Ali not have bad takes as town?

My early game takes can be bad but Pooky only thinks they’re good because of 1 game. He understands they get better over time so him calling me out is weird. Town!Pooky is probably patient with me cuz he knows if he’s town I should see it eventually.

[Alisae]

If u told me that pooky’s vote movements and pushes have been from the desire to be right, I would be looking at u and calling I crazy

[Alisae]

If u told me that pooky’s vote movements and pushes have been from the desire to be right, I would be looking at u and calling u crazy

[Alisae]

But yes Lucy, Farkran is very likely town.
The way he conducts himself is the same as it used to be and I’m glad it hasn’t changed.

[Alisae]

Ah see skitter looks a bit better.

Pooky looks at my read and calls me scum
Skitter looks at my reads and doesn’t understand what’s going on but is ok admitting it (I feel the same way about her takes)

[Alisae]

Wow ok bro nice case bro mis elim me then die immediately after if it takes my dead body to kill you then sign me up

[Alisae]

Did Pooky actually open up this gamethread and decide to play the openwolf as much as possible? Tbh that’s the only way his actions make any sense to me.

I don’t get this reaction otherwise tbh.

[Alisae]

Did Pooky actually open up this gamethread and decide to play the openwolf as much as possible? Tbh that’s the only way his actions make any sense to me.

I don’t get this reaction otherwise tbh.

Is your meaning you think it is obvious that you're a villager?

I don’t think I’ve obviously towntold myself but Pooky’s read on me is way too strong for it to be a naturally formed read that comes from the desire to be right.

[Alisae]

I just know that I’m flipping town and if pooky has a read that’s this strong on me the he should be held accountable for it.
He won’t tho because he’s the best at his craft when it comes to playing the social game of mafia so I think I need to try a little when I have the energy to fight against him.

[Alisae]

I don’t think I’ve obviously towntold myself but Pooky’s read on me is way too strong for it to be a naturally formed read that comes from the desire to be right.

are you going to explain the regret comment?

third chance

I haven’t even read it and I don’t plan on reading it unless I have to read it to kill you.

[Alisae]

The regret comment was mostly me posting because if I had the foresight to know that luca and norwee were gonna get into a fight I would have posted nothing and waited to see who takes who side.

[Alisae]

Ok Farkran is the one who is my friend then.

Yeah nvm my last post

I think you could be my friend too

Legolucy is in fact ur ally yes

[Alisae]

I don’t know if I’m giving ss too much credit or if he deserves to be townbinned but I’m townbinning him I think

[Alisae]

Well maybe now I can fall asleep and maybe when I wake up I get to see what happened.

[Alisae]

I am not sure about Alisae but I didn't like when e talked about dying and showing eir rolecard colour a lot because it made me feel like as though e can't just talk to us and over time we will learn to understand e is a villager.

I can but that’s way more effort and sometimes I really can’t be asked to do that. I’m pretty lazy, skitter might remember one time on my Furret account I basically let noms overcommit to a push and the countered it with a claim. I like making players overcommit to killing me because then they have to be held accountable for their actions.

[Alisae]

Guys make sure to kick NorwegianboyEE he has a kick me poster on his back.

[Alisae]

Dam Pooky I get ur scum but dam u don’t need to make norwee feel insignificant thats fucked up

[Alisae]

Norwees need to feel important too ya know

[Alisae]

Ya bro haven’t read ur case and not going to while I’m in bed.
But that’s why I’m scum in this game KEKW pogger pog yep scum yep scum

[Alisae]

thats very helpful ali

instead of explaining to me why im wrong

you would rather die and make me die too

very helpful

you don't even push people as strongly as you've been pushing people when you're town.
At least from what I've seen, you only play like this when ur a wolf. It's sus.

[Alisae]

like it's just a picking of events that sound the worst, you must know that.
also Ali saying something like "i'm fine flipping my townread to prove you wrong" seems really in character. no shade but spite is an Ali emotion.

glad I don't have to actually read the case to know that it's just pooky picking the events that sound the worst.
I can only imagine thats what any case would look like given how far we are into the actual game.

[Alisae]

people i have some level of a townread on: pooky, lucy (maybe?), fark, luca, ss , norwee

I townread all of these players except Pooky.
Why do you townread Pooky?

[Alisae]

oops sorry for the wrong pronouns

should be eir iso etc.

the progression does not make sense because if Ali is willing to let Ydra die to see if Ali is wrong about Pooky/Ydra

Me unvoting ydra should make Ali less willing to kill me, not more.

That's why I said E is thinking in terms of mis-elims, not figuring out the truth.

You know I don't actually think this way right?
I see your Ydra push and I go "Okay, so there's probably 1 scum in here" and then I try to figure out who is the scum in there.
I'm okay with flipping Ydra, at least at that point in time, because my reads were just so different and maybe I'm the one who has their head up their ass and is completely wrong?

[Alisae]

Having no room to see both of Pooky and Ydrasse being town doesn't seem genuine. Why can't Pooky be wrong also be town instead of 'just scum'? It feels more like that's what Alisae wants that to be perceived as, as it helps their win con and both of Pooky and Ydrasse are town. Seeing at least 1 scum in Pooky and Menalque is also more of the same kind of thing.

because of his confidence and how he's pushing Ydra. The posts I quoted in my catch-up made me think he was pushing Ydra with a fact not a read. He had a very justified push on Ydra and townies want to be more right instead of justified. Pushing someone with a justified push and wanting to have more ironclad reasoning is a scum trait.

[Alisae]

glad I don't have to actually read the case to know that it's just pooky picking the events that sound the worst.

I mean isn't that what a scumcase always is...?

Most of the time yes but not all of the time

[Alisae]

i think he pushes all the pushes harder as scum (i.e. like through to a lim) and doesn't back off as easily (ydrasse, you once i said i wasn't interested)

unless literally his whole game is like to try to pocket me (which i suppose is possible)

I think I can comment on this because I kind of relate to this mentality as scum.
In One Night Stand I pushed things and then when I realized that person wasn't elimable anymore I backed off and tried to find somewhere else to go.
What ended up happening was a lot of people townread me for it because it seemed really natural.

So I want to ask you what you think the motivation behind this is, because I think the motivation could be that Pooky realizes that no one is buying it so he's backing off and looking for something else.

[Alisae]

Why can't Pooky be wrong also be town instead of 'just scum'?

You think this occurs to town-Alisae but doesn't occur to scum-Alisae trying to emulate their town thought processes?

As scum I don't emulate my town thought processes because I'm not playing town.
However I will say that my entire gameplay in One Night Stand was me just mimicking the expectations people have for me when I play town because those players don't understand how my scumgame actually works.
While up to One Night Stand, I had a very proactive scumgame with the focus on driving the narrative and controlling the agenda. (Pooky was IN this game btw and it fooled him)
However when I randed scum in One Night Stand I realized that if I do this, I'm just going to die immediately. So I just didn't. I conceded proactivity for survivability.
Now note I was still very much the same for example:

town alisae is more likely to think about T/T whereas scum alisae is just looking for mis-elims and pushing a pooky/ydra dichotomy is very pro-scum if P/Y are both town.

Yes to half of this. As scum, I am looking for mis-elims constantly and trying to explore those.
However the other half is literally just something I do as both alignments because as town, this is how I solve. It's what works for me. As scum, I do in fact use this to push one push the other.

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It makes it feel like a fake thought process for Alisae not to consider arguably the most likely scenario statistically speaking of both of them being town, and that might be because they

want

to see the situation as having 1 scum in it as it helps their win con.

this is just how I solve. I considered pooky being right on Ydra but I also considered that Pooky could just be scum. Pooky being wrong on Ydra with how they're pushing ydra doesn't occur to me because judging his push, it means he has a smoking gun on ydra and that ydra would almost surely flip scum, or that Pooky is just scum.

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You think this occurs to town-Alisae but doesn't occur to scum-Alisae trying to emulate their town thought processes?

You have a fundamental error here.

Scum!Alisae does not emulate town!alisae's thought process.

Scum!Alisae believes in pushing scum role objectives. The goal for Scum!Alisae is not to blend in, it's to push mis-elims and win.

You were in One Night Stand. One Night Stand was just me blending in. Are we ignoring the existence of this game? Why are you ignoring this game?

[Alisae]

So I want to ask you what you think the motivation behind this is, because I think the motivation could be that Pooky realizes that no one is buying it so he's backing off and looking for something else.

idk. the waogn on you seems to have some sort of traction, and i don't think that me saying i disagree inherently kills it, but he immediatley backed off right when i did

and pooky! obviously you're pocketing me, i meant in a scum way of course!

eh maybe let's downgrade pooky to like townping/+town (i.e. as opposed to a fullblown townread) but still i'm not sure i'm buying scum here really

Think about it objectively based on the # of people you need to kill someone and the # of people who aren't willing to vote me. For the sake of this, include yourself in the pool of # of people that are willing to vote me.

[Alisae]

Like this is EXACTLY why i haven't been attacking your position on alisae -- consistently with your previous votes, i thought that your scumhunting process was to stir the waters and see what sticks, which makes sense from a town perspective

this isn't how town!pooky usually conducts himself tho its weird!

[Alisae]

Scum!Alisae believes in pushing scum role objectives.

Alisae, is this true?

It seems pretty hard to believe to me that scum-Alisae wouldn't even attempt to appear like they would as town, especially this early in the game when it's not at all clear what role objectives actually help them.

What Chara and Pooky are saying in that I am constantly just looking for miselims is very true.

i have heard Ali say what Pooky is saying about eir scumgame. e focuses on playing to win and doesn't care about blending in/making subpar moves from a scum perspective in order to look town.

However that doesn't mean I won't try to play like how people expect me to play like, I kinda just talked about this. However with this post I feel like Pooky isn't trying to be right here

here you go

@SS

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12403331

That post was written before One Night Stand. In One Night Stand I decided to try something new.
Pooky is completely ignoring the existence of that game and how that plays into it which is really weird.

Even tho I think if I was actually scum in this pl, maybe I do try to just play scum how I normally would since I think it could maybe work but I'm not sure.

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Eh VOTE: ali

Honestly either of Ali or pooky can die as well, I’m not fussed

guys
what is this player doing?

[Alisae]

How do we get from here

Eh, i see him pushing full force against alisae at first, then lowering his degree of certainty by several orders of magnitude for... no reason at all, except norwee asking a question that has nothing to do with alisae actions?

My level of conviction in Alisae being scum has not changed at all. The only thing that changed is your perception of it.

to here

i'm not really vibing pooky's ali case tbh

to here

ok :3

VOTE: noone

see now my conviction level has changed :3

Yes pooky I am asking you

[Alisae]

ali i don't think i was the deciding vote on your wagon being possible tho

hmmmmmmm

[Alisae]

Skitter try to sell me on Day.
Fark dislikes it.
You dislikes it.
I don't see anything but there has to be something there that I'm just not seeing right?

[Alisae]

ah ya, I didn't enjoy it because I was deviated from my meta but not because of all of the other things that were going on within the context of that game that led to a ban yep sure ok pooky

[Alisae]

skitter30
- progressively has gotten better
- I think I need other flips in the game before I vote this

Farkran
- Playing that nostalgic towngame that I fell in love with.

PookyTheMagicalBear
- his read on me is really strong and its quite unusually and I think its motivated off of OMGUS and because he feels threatened.
- but I should probably read what he's actually saying at some point.

Chara
- Seems townie?
- lately I've just been ignoring Chara and leave them for later like in FL v Hectic. They'll probably have more villagery points that I can definitively say are villagery for them

Luca Blight
- he seems like he's genuinely trying to read me
- I think I could be giving this too much credit tho

NorwegianboyEE
- seems townie yep kekw

Menalque
- have no idea what he's doing

LegoLucy
- They seem like they're scumhunting

Sujimichi
- he ghosted out of the thread kekw
- Wasn't SS really good at reading this player? I should probably just leave it to him then huh

Ydrasse
- So far I feel like they're in their town meta but this should become more apparent later on.
- def 1 scum max in {Pooky, Ydra}

Day
- I vibed with their Ydra take
- They're being suspected and I slightly just don't get it?

Something_Smart
- seems like normal town!ss yep town

[Alisae]

but I have to think that taking a back seat and letting the game state get out of control while your bumbling teammates managed to play themselves into terrible positions was um

I mean the gamestate always gets out of control if I try to influence it or not w/ that playerlist. That playerlist is REALLY hard to play scum against. Maybe a team like me, you, and kanna wins that pl?

[Alisae]

Pooky is there any common ground in our reads?

[Alisae]

I haven't even made reads yet

I'm just creating action for funz.

it's like less than 48 hours into the game I dunno why people think we are locking things in for the long haul.

you know I don't lock things in the long haul.
I want to see if we have any common ground in anywhere or scumreads? Like, what do we agree on, what do we disagree on?

[Alisae]

I haven't even made reads yet

I'm just creating action for funz.

it's like less than 48 hours into the game I dunno why people think we are locking things in for the long haul.

you know I don't lock things in the long haul.
I want to see if we have any common ground in anywhere or scumreads? Like, what do we agree on, what do we disagree on?

I'm willing to work with you because I want to take actions that lead to me getting the most amount of information possible

[Alisae]

ali my reads overlap with yours a fair amt actually

where should I be focusing my attention?

[Alisae]

i don't know, i was abt to ask you that

Ali + Skitter hydra when?

[Alisae]

VOTE: mena

[Alisae]

true

[Alisae]

hi ydra how r u

[Alisae]

As scum I don't emulate my town thought processes because I'm not playing town.

Okay but like you're still trying to look town. So to some extent you still have to do things that you think would appear town, even if you wouldn't do them as town per se.

Yes I know how to play to people's expectations of me.

[Alisae]

ooooooo
watchu doin

[Alisae]

tbh u can come back to the game later and its probably okay and we can just hang out for now ig

[Alisae]

Yes I know how to play to people's expectations of me.

What do you think of Day's implication that you wouldn't be so sure on Pooky as town, then? Would you have shown more doubt as scum?

If anything I'm probably more aggressive as scum I think

[Alisae]

Esteemed Alisae does not intentionally play wolf the way Esteemed Alisae plays villager. However, Esteemed Alisae may intentionally play wolf the way people

expect

em to play villager.

These are only the same when people are smart

They're not the same at all.
What?
One Night Stand if anything just shows that I can play a more reactive scumgame tailored to people who only think that I'm reactive as town and proactive as scum.
The things that make me scum are still the same and pooky's description of my scumgame is mostly fine.

[Alisae]

Wasn't SS really good at reading this player?

No?

Really?
I thought for some reason that historically you've been good at reading them

[Alisae]

you know I don't lock things in the long haul.
I want to see if we have any common ground in anywhere or scumreads? Like, what do we agree on, what do we disagree on?

probably right now


townread:

skitter

townlean:

norwee
SS

unsorted:
everyone else

read mena's posts and get back to me on that

[Alisae]

o ok

[Alisae]

ya i think ima make like a tree and get outa here and let things develop.
Maybe I'll figure out what it is exactly I want to do later

[Alisae]

Pooky if u still have me as scum and ur town u should push me.
You know how I work and you know this is helpful for me if I'm town.

[Alisae]

Pooky if u still have me as scum and ur town u should push me.
You know how I work and you know this is helpful for me if I'm town.

that would be an incredible waste of my time if you were town here.

How is setting up the conditions for me to succeed a waste of ur time?

[Alisae]

then just don't kill me

[Alisae]

whatever
i'll just make like a tree and get out of here now ig

[Alisae]

Norwee washed

[Alisae]

I wanna give Pooky another chance so...
Suji has not posted since day start and that kinda killed my townlean.
VOTE: Sujimichi

Like this is just so weak lol

Suji hasn't even been online since then

So convenient now Ali and Pooky have made up

Is this just scum?
Is this what I’m wrong about?

[Alisae]

Luca ik u can actually turn on ur brain and solve when the fuck r u gonna do it

[Alisae]

This isn’t about norwee it’s about this

So convenient now Ali and Pooky have made up

[Alisae]

Maybe I’m reading that wrong and just taking it out of context

[Alisae]

The only thing that’s really making me hesitant is that from ur PoV, my play is unusual and u don’t understand it, so u suspect it, which makes sense.

[Alisae]

Luca what do u think of Men

[Alisae]

Also day what do u think of Mena and day

[Alisae]

Luca what do u think of Men

I liked him at the start but I need to see more before I can form a concrete read

Why

[Alisae]

Meh
Ur a person of interest it

[Alisae]

Iguess*

[Alisae]

Ali can you not see my points against Norwee?

i don't care right now because i read norwee differently and i have different things im looking for.

[Alisae]

i misunderstood 961 and ur push on norwee seems unnatural but i mostly just don't get it cuz i rather get my own read on the player and so far i think he's fine

[Alisae]

Church of Farkran ladies and gentlemen represent

[Alisae]

Making Scumteams Repent since August 16, 2019 when our God, Farkran, decided to descend down onto Mafiascum to bless us with his presence.
Yessir Yessir

[Alisae]

I think if Day was scum it could make a bit of sense for Mena to be scum with Day

[Alisae]

It would explain the votes at least

[Alisae]

if we wanted to get reaaaaaaaally crazy
mena-day-ydra team because day defended ydra but is okay with me dieing.
i don't think ydra is scummy tho
i'd probably buy mena-day-suj more than mena-day-ydra

[Alisae]

did day join luca on suji?
didn't know that happened tbh.

let's not focus on skitter for now.
Let's work on getting easier flips that are more informative

[Alisae]

town!skitter will demand a shot eventually

[Alisae]

alisae how frustrated would you be as scum against this pl

well if I have at least one of {Fark, Skitter, Pooky, Chara} as teammates I'm probably okay and think the game is winnable but I also don't know what scum power has or what town power has or anything so I would have no idea. Now if I don't have teammates I would be fuming

[Alisae]

I mean Chara is right, Day 1 solves are fucking lies

[Alisae]

very cool Luca

[Alisae]

@fark since i posted

[Alisae]

Well ur scum and u want to pocket me or ur town and u just know how I operate/conduct myself.

[Alisae]

very residentsleeper game going on or I just have no idea whats going on

[Alisae]

Want to see more from them.

probably not gonna happen. If I wanna lurk you let me lurk

[Alisae]

so far ydra is looking to be proving my towntell correct

[Alisae]

Hey penguin y r u voting 4 me

i can't vote this player anymore
UNVOTE:
they feel so lost and not in a scummy way.

[Alisae]

maybe he just hasn't shown an agenda yet idunno but i don't see agenda in his play. It feels really aimless. I refuse to believe Mena would just be this frozen as scum unless someone has evidence that states the contrary so...

[Alisae]

Idunno Pooky what do you think?
You were in One Night Stand, you had to read Mena, I don't know if he had a scum game since then, do you think there's a difference between his gameplay here and in One Night Stand?

[Alisae]

bro i just played a scumgame with mena where he got covid and when he came back he wasn't even this frozen man :/

[Alisae]

idunno man
i wanna stay off the wagon for a bit anyways

[Alisae]

luckily for me I don't need an answer to that question for about, 4 days?

[Alisae]

shut up norwee u punch babies

[Alisae]

What about Menalque/Ali

If i look at this game with town!pooky in mind... i guess maybe. I disliked the unvote too, i mean regardless of mena aligment that was kinda an antitown move which isn't really in ali's strings

But so far alisae was in the olympus of town gods so i am surprised by er stance with the current gamestate

Highest wagon before er unvote was e-3, games are usually way faster when ali is in, even though i remember a game where we were both town and e was much more collected for some reason

@ali could you explain? Is this one of those games?

Anyways this would only make sense if mena/ali are s/s so i don't care about switching rn

This probably generates more information + helps me read the gamestate better. I’m still the same player I knew that focused on scaling over pro activity

[Alisae]

Also this doesn’t even makes sense as scum/scum and I’m not sure where the idea is coming from that I decide to halfass a bus and hop off for no reason.
Do people genuinely think that scum will just stop bussing at a weird time for weird reasons? Doesn’t make sense to me.

[Alisae]

I’ve even bussed scum!Mena before (or tried to) in the last game I just played.
Idunno, to me I feel like people are giving me attention for it because I’m not doing what they want me to do.

[Alisae]

Luca especially has just given me crap and honest regardless of anything I would have done he still would have given me crap and I don’t think it’s alignment indicative I’m not sure.
Pooky giving me crap for this tho is really weird.

[Alisae]

Like if I’m going to bus Mena for being scummy and I want to be the first person to notice it to get cred why am I not bussing anymore?
It makes no sense to me :/

[Alisae]

I mean the idea would be that your unvote would kill off the entire wagon, there were 3 at the time, minus yours = 2

Game was a bit stalling so it would make sense

The bit about giving you attention because you don't do what i expect you to is true tho, i miss the days where we bruteforcely solved d1 - but it's also true that this pl is particularly hard, if anything because we're pretty much all friends and we don't want them to be scum

I don't think about the game this way.

Idunno maybe this is like one of those moments where I just townread scum for really weird things.
The one concern I have is like, if mena is scum I have no idea what he's trying to do. Even in One Night Stand he had a plan and something he was trying to accomplish with his actions. In One Night Stand there was some kind of agenda and it would have been possible for me to work with him and support him on what he wanted to do if I could communicate to him in a scum PT (we didn't have one)

[Alisae]

Maybe I just need to read someone case mena and explain to me "these are the things that he's doing that are good if he's town" "These are the things that Mena is trying to accomplish if he's scum."
Like, I'm not saying Mena isn't weird, he definitely is weird, if anything he's the weirdest person on the pl. That's why I voted him and that's why he's even getting attention. My problem with this is now is the question I have is "what is the goal behind his posts? What is he trying to accomplish?" And I just have no idea what the answer to these questions are.

I care about how we got to this point in time. Historically on MS, we never really wagon'd the "scummy" players but rather the "least charismatic within the context of the game" players. Mena's play definitely seems "least charismatic within the context of the game" but maybe there is something scummy about it and idunno i just don't see it for some reason.

Also is it just me or has SS fallen off a cliff?

[Alisae]

Alisae, do you not see Menalque calling out Luca/Norwee as minimum 1 scum as agenda based? I didn't like that take either, it doesn't really make any sense, and I agree with whoever said that Menalque should be able to see why he looks scummy. He acknowledged it himself earlier that he has a total lack of interest in solving, so don't know why he thinks there must be scum pushing him there.

if he's town why wouldn't scum want to try to keep him in the scumpool?

[Alisae]

maybe I'm just misunderstanding ur argument

[Alisae]

i simply do not wish him to be scum

(im finally here to try to read but i am decidedly higher than i thought i'd be while doing this)

[Alisae]

Also is it just me or has SS fallen off a cliff?

It's okay I climbed back up it.

i think its unwise to say that ur scumgame is still bad so...

[Alisae]

ss what opinions do u have atm

[Alisae]

actually im not sure where this "SS scum game bad" theory even came from tbh.

[Alisae]

cause I’m clearly scum, skitter

this is clearly the dastardly mena scumgame

wait are you aware of it
wait what

[Alisae]

is there anyone else that wants to say "Guys Ali is scum if Mena flips scum" before I hammer cuz im stoned
Anyone?

[Alisae]

Do I need to try to find some alternative to Mena and see if it gets traction?
What does it take for ywall to come out of the wood work and say somethin

[Alisae]

this isn't his scumgame, and i'm p sure he knows he's like 'underperforming' classic town-mena

pedit idk there's for sure scum on there but i want to start with lucy cuz that vote was awful
penguin is probably town and i don't remember the rest of the wagon offhand

kinda curious that my wagon basically dissolved and reformed on you tho

i think so to but if he's aware of it idunno maybe its possible for it to be faked
i'm making the conscious decision to be stoned and post in thread so i'm probably going to post questionable stuff and if mena actually does flip scum well ig they have ammo to use against me.
it's not like I've been in THAT position before oh wait I have can't wait to be in it tbh.

[Alisae]

My scumgame is still bad. I've become harder to read because my towngame has gotten worse.

what happened?

[Alisae]

Huh I figured maybe if we were both stoned it would cancel itself out but I guess not

nah nah nah you know what, let's vibe.

mena have we gotten a chance to just vibe together bro.

[Alisae]

i think so to but if he's aware of it idunno maybe its possible for it to be faked
i'm making the conscious decision to be stoned and post in thread so i'm probably going to post questionable stuff and if mena actually does flip scum well ig they have ammo to use against me.
it's not like I've been in THAT position before oh wait I have can't wait to be in it tbh.

i don't think he's flipping scum

I don't think so either and I don't want him to because I know once he does my life is going to be pain and I'll probably have to sweat.

[Alisae]

Do I need to try to find some alternative to Mena and see if it gets traction

Y not Lucy?

lucy?
when did she come into the equation?
they had some townie posts early, whats the case? I've kinda been giving it a blind eye.

--

Not for quite a while ali

lets vibe bro
bro
brooooooooooo
lets vibe

[Alisae]

I know once he does my life is going to be pain and I'll probably have to sweat.

Do u mean I’ll bring it up in every future game where u misread me? If we’re both town

Because that will probably only happen if u start to annoy me with ur push in another game

TRUE KEKW

[Alisae]

Ah shit
I could win paragon in 2021 but Mena, nah it's just paragone KEKW

[Alisae]

Mena we tried hydraing once we should do it again.
It would be an interesting experience I think.

[Alisae]

How do we vibe ali

Gonna have to be sad vibes

oh noooooooooo
sadge
can i ask what happened?

[Alisae]

Ah shit
I could win paragon in 2021 but Mena, nah it's just paragone KEKW

I don’t understand

it don't mean shit to you if i misread you and you beat me

[Alisae]

Mena we tried hydraing once we should do it again.
It would be an interesting experience I think.

I would be down to try again, I think we gave it a shot right as I hit the peak of my first burnout

also the game sucked lets be honest

[Alisae]

lucy?
when did she come into the equation?
they had some townie posts early, whats the case? I've kinda been giving it a blind eye.

when i started complaining that her mena vote was bad
and which posts had you been townreading?

pedit it's really interesting how the game is sort of dividing into groupings that are mutually townreading each other.

requote the posts hopefully I read it later or I ask you again even tho that's super annoying for you

[Alisae]

Mena we tried hydraing once we should do it again.
It would be an interesting experience I think.

I would be down to try again, I think we gave it a shot right as I hit the peak of my first burnout

also I think we can come up with a better userid

[Alisae]

requote the posts hopefully I read it later or I ask you again even tho that's super annoying for you

about mena or lucy?
i dont' really have that many about lucy

ok then sell me on lucy

[Alisae]

Mena we tried hydraing once we should do it again.
It would be an interesting experience I think.

I would be down to try again, I think we gave it a shot right as I hit the peak of my first burnout

also I think we can come up with a better userid

Yeah what was up with that phase in your hydras

it was a phase shut up

[Alisae]

baka

[Alisae]

also mena that's sadge to hear. I hope things turn out well

[Alisae]

Ali I have forgotten how to vibe

How does one vibeth

we're vibing right now its a process

[Alisae]

is there anyone else that's actually calling mena town besides you and me skitter?

[Alisae]

vibe check

VIBE CHECK LETS GOOOOOOO

[Alisae]

hey hey ydra
remember when i posted 2 pages in ur hood and it was all trash

[Alisae]

alisae i try to forget that game ...

i can't read moods

[Alisae]

my bad

[Alisae]

ok pooky

[Alisae]

for every game I join I gotta make a secret alt cuz I hate playing on my main account

[Alisae]

Any truers

[Alisae]

for every game I join I gotta make a secret alt cuz I hate playing on my main account

ive never done a secret alt but i should definitely give it a try someday :3

i'm being slightly sarcastic

[Alisae]

is there a reason the stealth alts want to stay stealthed

[Alisae]

pandora sucks i hate her

[Alisae]

pandora is actually pretty poggers tbh tho i heard yoshi is better not sure tho

[Alisae]

who does ydra want to kill

[Alisae]

i don't know who i want to kill so i'll help ydra kill who ydra wants to kill cuz i trust u

[Alisae]

TELL ME WHO TO KILL

[Alisae]

I WANT BLOOD

[Alisae]

i have no clue who i want to vote

YDRA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Alisae]

why do you trust me again?

i trust my ability to read you considering its been pretty good as of late

[Alisae]

what the hell is happening this game

Yep

[Alisae]

Ali I guess

Wow real informative flip wow amazing

[Alisae]

'm not sure why Alisae isn't doing anything this game.

I play more the later into the game. Day 1s have not always but recently been low participation from me. I only participate if I need to and there are plenty of active forces in the game that give me the room to just sit back and chill.

[Alisae]

Putting her that high above Menalque. Implies that you think there's a decent chance she's town and wrong about him.

This is something that scum could do hmm...

[Alisae]

Ya I wanna kill someone.
Someone post the count

[Alisae]

I thought day was prism or something but I could be wrong

[Alisae]

And pooky isn’t a bear

[Alisae]

Actually Pooky is a penguin and pp is a bear
The more u know

[Alisae]

That’s why u scumread me KEKW

[Alisae]

Also I think Isis scumreads me because I posted Pandora hate speech

[Alisae]

Ami really off?
Even right now?

[Alisae]

Ami really off?
Even right now?

yup

Am I actually off or are u just trying to say so when it’s not true because ur scum and u want to keep me in the PoE. My lurking is generally a town!me thing that I do.

[Alisae]

Pooky thats a scum trait for me how?

[Alisae]

Like yes I have trouble engaging in day 1s as of recently. Most day 1s I’m low participation

[Alisae]

Pooky thats a scum trait for me how?

I think town!you cares less.

BASED OFF OF WHAT POOKY

[Alisae]

Like yes I have trouble engaging in day 1s as of recently. Most day 1s I’m low participation

but we had so much fun in SFA D1 <3

this is about the same participation as SFA and Among Us man :/

[Alisae]

VOTE: pooky

[Alisae]

since when pooky

[Alisae]

oh i did say that
i forgot
mybad

[Alisae]

I can vote day as well

[Alisae]

Let’s start consolidating.

[Alisae]

norwee + day feel aligned

[Alisae]

pooky-norwee-day?

[Alisae]

not sure how I feel about that

[Alisae]

well this team is def shit if day flips town so...
VOTE: day

[Alisae]

pooky-norwee-day?

does this make sense to people or??????

[Alisae]

pooky's approach to me is way more suspect

[Alisae]

or would norwee be the better vote here actually.
Man I'm really not sure.

[Alisae]

pooky's approach to me is way more suspect

lol what r u even talking about

what is it going to take for u to railroad me jesus christ

[Alisae]

what is it going to take for u to railroad me jesus christ

You'd have to do something scummier than Farkran

K I L L M E
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[Alisae]

MY LIFE IS PAIN