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skitter30 · Post Post #28 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:52 pm

this pl <3 <3 <3

@mod i have regular vla on fridays and saturdays

is it safe to assume one of the alts is hectic?

skitter30 · Post Post #33 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:54 pm

early townpings on ss for his interaction with ydrasse / his 'missing the joke' thing

skitter30 · Post Post #201 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:53 pm

In post 56, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm busy hunting down the Ydrasse/Hectic scum team

I don't have time to flirt with Skitter.

I mean I am kind of flirting with Skitter already

but she hasn't reciprocated yet.

So I got my eye on her -.-

hello!

skitter30 · Post Post #205 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:54 pm

In post 68, Menalque wrote:I am a
vanilla townie

I would never do something like
lie
about my role

As I am aligned with the
town
faction i am planning to do
not very much
and to allow the
good players
present to carry me to an easy
victory

Thank you all for your
time

uhhhh are we ignoring the many times you entere a game lying about your role as scum

skitter30 · Post Post #210 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:55 pm

In post 89, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 78, Farkran wrote:I have. In my very first game here. It was a newbie game and she admittedly didn't play full strength - but still, i have spectated some town!skit games and she's waaay more aggressive than her scum counterpart. Again, this is from my memory of 1 year ago, things might have changed
I think she's become more mellow and happy over the last few months and that's shown up in her playstyle. I don't think aggression is something that's reliable for reading her at this point in time.

aw :)
also hiya fark, that game was fun, and close, but iirc i didn't manage to pull that one out :/

skitter30 · Post Post #216 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:57 pm

i'm kinda (?) getting townvibes from pooky and mena as well

skitter30 · Post Post #218 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:58 pm

also pooky you can cite the hectic/fl game too

skitter30 · Post Post #221 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:59 pm

In post 170, Chara wrote:
In post 162, Menalque wrote:Okay cool, just checkin
i had to see if we'd played together before. unfortunately i remember very little from Your Nightmare besides being played like a fiddle by Hectic and his partner. who was......... was it skitter? it doesn't matter.

no i don't think i ws in that one

skitter30 · Post Post #223 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:59 pm

In post 172, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 33, skitter30 wrote:early townpings on ss for his interaction with ydrasse / his 'missing the joke' thing
skitter30, what is it about Something_Smart’s interaction with Ydrasse that you found to be town indicative?

doesn't feel like something scum-him would say to enter the game

skitter30 · Post Post #226 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:01 pm

In post 207, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 40, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 28, skitter30 wrote:this pl <3 <3 <3

Skitter, I would be both honored and flattered if you would accept a dance with me
^

you might have missed this beautiful,

i accept :)

skitter30 · Post Post #228 (isolation #10) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:01 pm

In post 219, LegoLucy wrote:I think skitter's early effort is a villager trying to get started and it doesnt have a showy look like a wolf who is proud of her dentures

:good:

skitter30 · Post Post #230 (isolation #11) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:02 pm

yay i'm caught up!

skitter30 · Post Post #241 (isolation #12) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:06 pm

In post 234, Farkran wrote:As for skitter, yeah just the aggression thing rn, but she has to keep that up or it will fade quickly

i'm not being aggressive tho?

also pooky i really like that gif :)

skitter30 · Post Post #244 (isolation #13) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:07 pm

In post 237, Farkran wrote:
In post 216, skitter30 wrote:i'm kinda (?) getting townvibes from pooky and mena as well
Why mena?

(Yeah, sorry mena)

i like the way he's being chill, and his repated

claiming like this

while probably fake feels kinda townie to me

skitter30 · Post Post #246 (isolation #14) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:08 pm

In post 240, Sujimichi wrote:Do you believe that it is beyond his capacity as mafia-aligned player to say that, or do you believe that it is just a strong natural tendency? I assume the latter.

well, i don' thtink it's completely *beyond* his scumrange but i think it's exceedingly more likely to come from town-him

pedit go on

skitter30 · Post Post #280 (isolation #15) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:24 pm

In post 252, Farkran wrote:I mean aggressive as in quick to make assessments about the game, a better word would probably be "more proactive than average" compared to scum!skit

Are you sure that mena is town? I might sheep

eh fair enuf
i'm not like 'sure' mena is town but i feel like it's a decent scumping for this stage of the game

skitter30 · Post Post #283 (isolation #16) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:25 pm

In post 256, Menalque wrote:I know I just wanted her to pay attention to me

:)

In post 261, Menalque wrote:
In post 205, skitter30 wrote:
In post 68, Menalque wrote:I am a
vanilla townie

I would never do something like
lie
about my role

As I am aligned with the
town
faction i am planning to do
not very much
and to allow the
good players
present to carry me to an easy
victory

Thank you all for your
time
uhhhh are we ignoring the many times you entere a game lying about your role as scum
Kinda didn’t understand this^

In post 224, Menalque wrote:
In post 219, LegoLucy wrote:I think skitter's early effort is a villager trying to get started and it doesnt have a showy look like a wolf who is proud of her dentures
do u wanna tell her or shall i @skitter
And wanted her to respond to this/am kinda surprised she hasn’t unless o just missed it or she did

what don't you understand about the first one?
i responded to the second one

skitter30 · Post Post #285 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:26 pm

In post 279, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 244, skitter30 wrote:i like the way he's being chill, and his repated
claiming like this
while probably fake feels kinda townie to me
I'm skeptical of that second one.

ya fair it's very much a gutping

skitter30 · Post Post #287 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:27 pm

townping, sorry
i meant ot say townping

skitter30 · Post Post #292 (isolation #19) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:33 pm

is hectic the lego or day alt

skitter30 · Post Post #298 (isolation #20) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:34 pm

i'm actually getting scumpings from ydrasse

skitter30 · Post Post #312 (isolation #21) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:39 pm

In post 299, Menalque wrote:
In post 283, skitter30 wrote:what don't you understand about the first one?
i responded to the second one
I just like, don’t see the relevance I think?

And did you? I can’t find it if so

i'm noting a similarity to an established way you enter some scumgames. i'm not calling you scum inherently for it, but i wanted to note it

i responded with a :good: to the original post in 228

i suddenly got an awful headache so i'm gonna bounce for now but i'll VOTE: ydrasse to start off

pedit why scumpings from pooky?

skitter30 · Post Post #321 (isolation #22) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:42 pm

In post 313, Menalque wrote:I dislike that he shifted the focus back onto talking about ydra being scum (after having kinda moved away from it) immediately after you voiced scumpings on ydra (also p sure ur wrong there btw)

i kinda think it's the opposite, if anything you can say i followed him?

skitter30 · Post Post #326 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:43 pm

ya kinda actually, the vibes are similar

skitter30 · Post Post #329 (isolation #24) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:44 pm

and good job iv at getting that pagetop!

skitter30 · Post Post #335 (isolation #25) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:46 pm

Idk but the fact that you thought it was similar to hectiv v fl and are also being v defensive about it now also feels kinda off to me

skitter30 · Post Post #338 (isolation #26) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:47 pm

In post 333, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:skitter what is your favorite type of music to dance to?

I like it, ty :)

skitter30 · Post Post #341 (isolation #27) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:48 pm

Yeah also that strategy basically *worked* in that game so not sure why you're acting like it would have been a silly thing to do here

skitter30 · Post Post #346 (isolation #28) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:50 pm

Ok so we agree that your behavior is v similar - so why shouldn't i be scumreading it again?

skitter30 · Post Post #361 (isolation #29) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:55 pm

In post 349, Ydrasse wrote:i think you shouldn't be bc you're smart enough to realize the implications of me losing that game as scum and how it would impact me playing in a future game...???

I mean ... it *worked* for most of the game. I'm not sure why you *wouldnt* try it (i also dont know how big your scumrange is and what other tactics you might try to take as scum)

I also think your reaction was defensive and scummy so

skitter30 · Post Post #368 (isolation #30) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:59 pm

You had half the game pocketed for like 4 phases

Pedit :oops:

skitter30 · Post Post #388 (isolation #31) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:06 pm

In post 372, Menalque wrote:
In post 368, skitter30 wrote:You had half the game pocketed for like 4 phases
It is mildly insane that you think she would replicate behaviour from a game she
just lost
where it’s only utility would be negated by the presence of people from that game in this one

Idk. Like i said i dont know what her scumrange is. For all i know this is how she approaches *every* scumgame.

But the key thing here for me is not the fact that it looks so similar, but that she got really, really defensive when i called her out on it

skitter30 · Post Post #438 (isolation #32) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:52 pm

Can you link maybe?

skitter30 · Post Post #443 (isolation #33) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:02 pm

@chara i skimmed like the first half of her iso there and noticeable differences:
- real content (i.e. and not just Happy Flirting)
- actually trying to solve the game (i.e. and not just being Present)
- dont really see her getting defensive at all

If you'd like to show me where you think it's similar, i'm happy to listen, but from what i saw i dont think she behaved similarly there to here at all

skitter30 · Post Post #447 (isolation #34) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:08 pm

Fwiw p much the whole reason i scumread you is how defensive you got when i said that; it felt like an overreaction

Most of what pooky has said i'm not really putting super much weight on

skitter30 · Post Post #452 (isolation #35) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:12 pm

I like the poetry!

Ydrasse do you have a towngame you can point to where you played similarly to here? (And even better where you got similarly defensive?)

skitter30 · Post Post #454 (isolation #36) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:13 pm

Also do u scumread me for scumreading you? Or are you just annoyed that i'm scumreading you?

skitter30 · Post Post #457 (isolation #37) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:23 pm

In post 452, skitter30 wrote:I like the poetry!

Ydrasse do you have a towngame you can point to where you played similarly to here? (And even better where you got similarly defensive?)

Sorry just following up: do you have one of these?

skitter30 · Post Post #463 (isolation #38) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:32 pm

Neither of those games / posts look anything like this one tho

In anuket despite the gimmick you had content within your first like three posts
In chara's game the defensiveness feels kinda difference and it's more attacking like: your read is bad and scummy and i'm going to push you for it

I feel bad for making this game Not Fun for ydrasse, i'm sorry :(

skitter30 · Post Post #467 (isolation #39) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:36 pm

Maybe i'm just very stuck and tunneled? Idk. Its hard for me to see otherwise rn
I still want the game to be fun for you tho :/

skitter30 · Post Post #476 (isolation #40) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:44 pm

In post 468, Luca Blight wrote:Maybe that fact that every game I've played with Skitter she's been scum and hard bussed her partner D1 is making me paranoid

Tbf if i were bussing this probably wouldnt be how/why i'd do it
I don't just lolbus out of the blue, there's usually some reason for it

skitter30 · Post Post #480 (isolation #41) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:47 pm

That's fair i guess
(But i dont really think (?) this is how i'd go abt it)

skitter30 · Post Post #484 (isolation #42) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:49 pm

That wasnt really out of the blue tho iirc? And iirc you guys never flipped? And i dont remember the reasoning exactly but we were trying to look very unaligned

Pedit well i didnt say it was out of my scumrange, just that this isnt the way i'd go abt it

skitter30 · Post Post #487 (isolation #43) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:52 pm

Like there's usually a reason for it, its not like i go: oh this looks like a good game to bus my partners and try to solo upon starting a game

skitter30 · Post Post #494 (isolation #44) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:01 pm

In post 489, Chara wrote:skitter, why is this important to argue?
i'm not trying to be a dick about it, i am just curious.

Its not, really

skitter30 · Post Post #496 (isolation #45) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:02 pm

Like it doesnt actually matter i just kinda get annoyed when people have misconceptions of wha i'd do as scum

But like in the greater context of everything its not really important

skitter30 · Post Post #499 (isolation #46) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:06 pm

Iirc he was actually this stilted

skitter30 · Post Post #511 (isolation #47) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:32 pm

Fwiw i townread poomy a decent amt

skitter30 · Post Post #513 (isolation #48) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:32 pm

*pooky ugh

skitter30 · Post Post #518 (isolation #49) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:46 pm

In post 515, Day wrote:
In post 490, Day wrote:
In post 477, Day wrote:Ydrasse's indignation and defensiveness feels like she's more upset at not being able to have fun because she's getting scumread for it, meaning it wasn't some ploy or alignment based plan in the first place. I think the playstyle is probably not dependent on her alignment based on her reaction.
Do you have any thoughts on this, skitter?
skitter?

Oh i missed that
Ig i can see that point but i'm still not sure if she'd get so defensive in that context?

skitter30 · Post Post #519 (isolation #50) » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:47 pm

In post 516, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:and this is one of those unbreakable reads.

so if you're scum you don't have to worry about me somehow waking up from this dream

I will love you forever.

Pocket me and break my heart at the end of the game.

Make me yours and I will die happy.

:) :) :)

~
Why is it an unbreakable read again?

skitter30 · Post Post #598 (isolation #51) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:47 am

I don't really like any of ali's takes

skitter30 · Post Post #600 (isolation #52) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:51 am

Eir reads are the opposite of mine for like everything

skitter30 · Post Post #608 (isolation #53) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:00 am

In post 597, Luca Blight wrote:Ok great, let’s not read him based on meta then.

I think he’s been scummy in this game and warrants pushing. I don’t like how much he’s been defended before he’s even returned to the thread

Tbf you were going and asking people who had prior experience with him what they thought, and both people told you the stilted-ness is typical and probably not ai

I'm not really sure that means he's been 'defended [a lot] before he even returned to the thread' given most of the discussion around him was instigated by you asked specific people specific questions

skitter30 · Post Post #635 (isolation #54) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:06 am

In post 622, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 598, skitter30 wrote:I don't really like any of ali's takes
cuz ali is scum lol

I mean eir's takes are bad but i'm not sure that makes em scum? I'm not sure e makes thess takes as scum tbh

skitter30 · Post Post #637 (isolation #55) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:07 am

Also i kinda like norwee, i dont remember if i sad that

skitter30 · Post Post #772 (isolation #56) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:29 pm

i'm not really vibing pooky's ali case tbh

skitter30 · Post Post #774 (isolation #57) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:35 pm

In post 657, Farkran wrote:
In post 637, skitter30 wrote:Also i kinda like norwee, i dont remember if i sad that
Unexpected from you, but i agree, which is unexpected from me too

I don't think my reads are particularly different from skitter (also unexpected), i'd like more insight wrt Day from you if possibile

i don't really have any thoughts on day

skitter30 · Post Post #775 (isolation #58) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:36 pm

In post 660, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 659, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 638, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:IN NO FANTASY WORLD IS THAT A LOGICAL THOUGHT PROGRESSION GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD.
Right, and this is Alisae, a person known for being careful and deliberate and favoring logic over emotion all the time.
This is a solid point

++

SS got my back

i'm actually p sure ss was arguing *against* your case here, not for it

skitter30 · Post Post #777 (isolation #59) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:40 pm

In post 697, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:oops sorry for the wrong pronouns

should be eir iso etc.

the progression does not make sense because if Ali is willing to let Ydra die to see if Ali is wrong about Pooky/Ydra

Me unvoting ydra should make Ali less willing to kill me, not more.

That's why I said E is thinking in terms of mis-elims, not figuring out the truth.

also maybe i'm missing something very obvious but i'm not sure i follow the bolded either

skitter30 · Post Post #778 (isolation #60) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:43 pm

In post 717, Day wrote:As if the thought of double townies didn't even cross their mind.

actually if ali is scum i think it implies that at least one of ydra and pooky are as well

skitter30 · Post Post #780 (isolation #61) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:48 pm

ok actually reading onwards i don't really like pooky's case but i disagree with farkran that it's a scummy one

~
i feel like i have a decent number of townreads but i'm not sure i really have scumreads
i am willing to admit that maybe i was wrong on ydrasse but i will be keeping an eye on her UNVOTE:

i'm not sure where to vote now, maybe i'll vote LegoLucy

skitter30 · Post Post #783 (isolation #62) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:53 pm

In post 773, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok :3

VOTE: noone

see now my conviction level has changed :3

i mean you're free to still push it :)

i see that you responded ot the other things, getting there momentarily

~

also i think i just realized who lucy is and i need to reconsider given that

skitter30 · Post Post #784 (isolation #63) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:54 pm

In post 776, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:his point is good though - Ali does have a tendency to do illogical things.

and people keeping me from doing stupid things are usually protown

scum usually just let me go kamikaze on someone

oh ok i think i misread your ss post then, nm

skitter30 · Post Post #785 (isolation #64) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:55 pm

In post 779, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Ali's original posts made it look like e thought the two scenarios possible were:

(a) scumPooky is pushing ydra mis-elim

or

(b) TownPooky is pushing Ydra-scum

and E said E was ok with flipping Ydra because either E is just wrong about Ydra or Pooky is scum.

Then later E votes me even though I was already not voting Ydra - means the original reasoning is not what she was going for.

I think E is much more likely to say this if Me/Ydra are Town/Town.

i guess there's still some level of disconnect?
if e's wrong about scum-ydra i don't follow why your unvote would make you more likely to be scum
and if you're scum i'm not sure why unvoting would either

i'm not really sure it matters either but i don't get ti

skitter30 · Post Post #786 (isolation #65) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:56 pm

In post 781, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:shall I pick some new music for our dance tonight? :]

yes ok!

(mafia games are obvs for flirting, who does silly things like scumhunt anyways???)

skitter30 · Post Post #788 (isolation #66) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:59 pm

the music in that movie/musical is beautiful :)

skitter30 · Post Post #790 (isolation #67) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:03 pm

ok if lucy is who i think (?) they are i want to say g2h town but i'm not confident

she's not exuding the whole 'ugh i'm scum and i utterly hate posting' thing that she does as scum usually

skitter30 · Post Post #792 (isolation #68) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:04 pm

aw that's too bad :(
can i get a tldr of what you don't like about day? maybe i missed it

skitter30 · Post Post #793 (isolation #69) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:05 pm

i've seen it never but i've listened to the OBC recording/movie soundtrack and it's just gorgeous
really like 'falling slowly'

skitter30 · Post Post #794 (isolation #70) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:06 pm

really looking forward to when broadway comes back and it's safe to go again!

skitter30 · Post Post #797 (isolation #71) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:12 pm

oh dear. i hope the final turned out ok
i saw the spongebob musical too (but that was i think a few years ago already iirc)

most recently i saw waitress and the percy jackson musical in like november of 2019 in two consecutive weeks. those weren't the best i've seen

i'm most disappointed that a few shows that were on just before COVID won't be coming back once broadway reopens ... me and my sister had tickets for hadestown in like mid-march last year, and we never got to go, and it's closed permanently now :/

skitter30 · Post Post #807 (isolation #72) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:44 pm

In post 566, Farkran wrote:
In post 477, Day wrote:Ydrasse's indignation and defensiveness feels like she's more upset at not being able to have fun because she's getting scumread for it, meaning it wasn't some ploy or alignment based plan in the first place. I think the playstyle is probably not dependent on her alignment based on her reaction.
I want to take note of this because i don't like the timing and content of this post when compared to day's introduction

Like, he promised a catchup read but this feels a bit lackluster - as if he just picked one of two sides (ydratown vs ydrascum) and offered the general consensus produced by his side rather than independent opinion

@day how much experience do you have with ydrasse?

i actually thought the take you quoted here is ok
not ever doign the catchup i dislike a bit more

skitter30 · Post Post #809 (isolation #73) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:49 pm

In post 799, Chara wrote:my mother and sister were supposed to see Hamilton this year.

and i passed the final. barely. but it was passed.

yay i'm happy you passed!
and i hope they liked hamilton!!!

i saw it on tour and it was fantastic!!!! easily my favorite show :)
come from away is my second-favorite

~

In post 800, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I managed to see Hamilton in September right b4 covid so that was good :3

otherwise tho just fingers crossed hoping it won't be too crazy the reopening! :]

yay for seeing it!!!

i'm listening to the reprise rn. it is awesome.

~

In post 803, Chara wrote:...and more to the point, it's probably also the tactic i'll be taking with skitter, so this isn't really a knock on Mena as much as a "well shit sucks, man".

though it has nothing to do with a particular trust in skitter's reads over anyone else's and more to do with i think she does get readable herself in a way i can follow.

yeah ... that's just kinda the way it works around me sometimes. not sure how to go about fixing/changing that

skitter30 · Post Post #811 (isolation #74) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:11 pm

eh i'm gonna wait for a vc but i'll prob vote day when that happens

skitter30 · Post Post #813 (isolation #75) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:14 pm

ty :)

VOTE: day

skitter30 · Post Post #816 (isolation #76) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:42 pm

(i just think it's funny that we're all congradulating chara for passing a final that i'm p sure happened a few years ago lol)

day what do you think abt the fact that i'm voting you

pooky your gifgame is on point <3

skitter30 · Post Post #818 (isolation #77) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:48 pm

well the spongebob musical i don't think has been on broadway for at least a couple of years and i'm not sure when the tour ended but definitely it hasn't been a thing since covid
(actually offhand i'm not sure if there was a tour or not)

yeah i'm not sure i have super strong reasons beyond 'gutping' but i was also hoping it woudl prompt a convo that i could use to maybe sort you some more
do you have any spicy takes youd like to share?

skitter30 · Post Post #827 (isolation #78) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:21 pm

day, i appreciate the response, ty
unfortunatley i kinda feel like you're a bit wishy-washy rn :/

pooky ty for that one too!!

people i have some level of a townread on: pooky, lucy (maybe?), fark, luca, ss , norwee

i thought about including mena but decided to take him out - i think that's more of a ping than anything else

skitter30 · Post Post #832 (isolation #79) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:28 pm

i think he pushes all the pushes harder as scum (i.e. like through to a lim) and doesn't back off as easily (ydrasse, you once i said i wasn't interested)

unless literally his whole game is like to try to pocket me (which i suppose is possible)

skitter30 · Post Post #839 (isolation #80) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:42 pm

In post 835, Alisae wrote:So I want to ask you what you think the motivation behind this is, because I think the motivation could be that Pooky realizes that no one is buying it so he's backing off and looking for something else.

idk. the waogn on you seems to have some sort of traction, and i don't think that me saying i disagree inherently kills it, but he immediatley backed off right when i did

and pooky! obviously you're pocketing me, i meant in a scum way of course!

eh maybe let's downgrade pooky to like townping/+town (i.e. as opposed to a fullblown townread) but still i'm not sure i'm buying scum here really

skitter30 · Post Post #842 (isolation #81) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:43 pm

luca remind me how much experience you have with norwee again?

i'm not gonna townlock you pooky :)

skitter30 · Post Post #848 (isolation #82) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:50 pm

right exactly, i dont' think you're trying to kill anyone here

i wanna say that i like ali on this page

also i feel like i have an outsized number of townreads on me

skitter30 · Post Post #850 (isolation #83) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:51 pm

ali i don't think i was the deciding vote on your wagon being possible tho

skitter30 · Post Post #854 (isolation #84) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:54 pm

right that's my point .... why does he drop it like that if scum just cuz i said i wasn't interested

skitter30 · Post Post #861 (isolation #85) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:01 pm

it is, to be fair, largely a ping.
i don't have super awesome scumreads atm, that's why i listed the people i sort of townread

i'm kinda content just putting pressure on them rn

pedit this bit was directed at ali

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pooky your 'once' video has inspired me to watch a whole of broadway themed videos on youtube tonight :)

skitter30 · Post Post #876 (isolation #86) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:15 pm

ali my reads overlap with yours a fair amt actually

luca can you maybe summarize your norwee read for me please?
(i'm looking at some of your posts on this page and i'm not sure i'm following like what the 'central point' is so to speak)

pedit <3

skitter30 · Post Post #879 (isolation #87) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:17 pm

i don't know, i was abt to ask you that

skitter30 · Post Post #882 (isolation #88) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:18 pm

let's try to do that soon :)

skitter30 · Post Post #912 (isolation #89) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:40 pm

In post 906, Day wrote:It's strange how you phrase that. Are you normally so sympathetic to people you think are scum?

Often, yes

skitter30 · Post Post #915 (isolation #90) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:42 pm

In post 909, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 876, skitter30 wrote:ali my reads overlap with yours a fair amt actually
Doesn't Ali have almost everyone as town? So that's hardly surprising...

That's kinda fair

skitter30 · Post Post #917 (isolation #91) » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:43 pm

In post 911, Day wrote:What changed in this time, skitter?

I decided to unvote ydrasse and was looking for a new vote

skitter30 · Post Post #1127 (isolation #92) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:38 am

Hi mena!!!! *waves*

skitter30 · Post Post #1139 (isolation #93) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:54 am

In post 1129, Ydrasse wrote:skitter be honest with me

are you town

Yes! Always!

I see some things were said to/about me, including day's reads, and i'll followup this evening

skitter30 · Post Post #1144 (isolation #94) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:15 am

Mena actually you maybe feel a littlw scummy to me (?)
I'm not sure tho

(To be clear i'm not like pushing you per se but rather want to try to get a better vibe)

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:05 am

Yes basically. Probably isnt ai
Honestly you being so blunt abt it makes me feel better

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:56 pm

In post 921, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 915, skitter30 wrote:That's kinda fair
Which reads overlapped?

farkran, luca, lucy, you

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ngl part of me wants to sheep luca on norwee
there's like a unvierse i suppose where scum-him decides to burn that read, but i don't think thi sis what that looks like, and if he's really that confident and accurate it might be worth it

In post 922, Luca Blight wrote:I'm actually not 100% yet but I feel pretty sure

how confident would you rank it?

edit: actually reading through more of the luca/norwee interaction i don't independantly sr norwee but i am strongly considering sheeping luca
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In post 934, Day wrote:Reading that as a 36 I think.

i think you were supposed to read that as a 22 :lol:

skitter30 · Post Post #1155 (isolation #97) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:00 pm

In post 1108, Day wrote:skitter30 - I actually find her Ydrasse suspicions potentially faked. From that meta discussion, it appears that Ydrasse played the exact same social game in a recent scumgame and was eliminated for it a few days in. skitter believes this is indicative of Ydrasse employing the same playstyle as scum, while the majority of others believe it would be shallow and a poor decision for Ydrasse to employ the exact same strategy again which didn't work so well for her the last time anyway, and would have even less chance of working now that it's established meta for her. I think skitter took too long to come round on it and was a little too persistent in the she's playing the same as that scumgame, so that's scummy argument, when the surrounding context of why it'd be a poor decision by Ydrasse is important to look at it. 346 particularly. That push could be fake.

In 467 she states it's hard for her to see otherwise on Ydrasse not being scum. In 780 she admits she might've been wrong with no explanation on why. Could be because momentum was shifting off Ydrasse and she could tell it wasn't the popular opinion anymore.

i mean i still think it's scummy of her to be playing in that way
i'm willing ot concede she may do the same as town but i view it as inherently likely to come from scum-her

my change of heart did at least come from like half the game telling me i was being silly, yes

skitter30 · Post Post #1156 (isolation #98) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:02 pm

In post 1137, Day wrote:
In post 1118, Farkran wrote:I assume Day has a significant past experience with me

I... really like the perspective on skitter. Regardless of whether she's scum or not, it's both detailed and reasonable and the angle pushed is extraordinarily not scummy for Day

Hmmmmm
I forgot to mention in the post, but I also didn't like her voting me for
gutpings
in 818, when she stated she had no thoughts on me in 774. Similar to the Ydrasse unvote, it's possible she's trying to beat the curve on who's getting attention and ascertained you were probably gonna convince others to vote me, so would rather be early on the wagon.

idk. i didn't really have thoughts at first, upon thinking abt it more i realized that i had some gutpings
i'm not sure if i'm still voteing but UNVOTE:

skitter30 · Post Post #1157 (isolation #99) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:03 pm

In post 1151, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:and daydreaming about dancing with you, and it make me feel so much better, it felt like all my worries washed away.

I am glad the weather is turning for the better - spring is almost here and I can't wait to go on long walks along the sea.

Watching the stars sparkle above in their majesty

:) let's also listen to gorgeous songs from musicals!

also! why not tl luca?

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:42 pm

In post 1165, Day wrote:
In post 1154, skitter30 wrote:i think you were supposed to read that as a 22 :lol:
Could you explain why you think that to be the case? I was fairly sure of my 36 read but 'm open to being convinced.

aside: on my homesite (which is a lot more meme-y and role-heavy), my username has a 22 in it. they have some fun and wacky roles over there, one of which is a 'gif silencer', wherein if you're silenced, you can only communicate in gifs. someone eventually had the bright idea of making a 'dictionary' so to speak, where specific gifs apply to specific players. wanna guess what mine is?

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:42 pm

In post 1166, Day wrote:Could I ask why you unvoted?

i don't vibe it anymore

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:43 pm

In post 1167, Day wrote:The first question is a lot more important than the second.

i hope i adequately addressed your concerns

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:54 pm

actually VOTE: norwee

for mena: tbf he interacts with me most games. i would actaully me kinda surprised at this point if he didn't
note that i'm not saying it's the best thing to do or anything, but it is what he usually does

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:53 pm

why am i eviller again?

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:01 pm

i actually didn't say i disliked it anywhere

for once i actaully don't think i have a great sense for how this game is going to go at all

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:02 pm

In post 1186, Luca Blight wrote:This does feel really similar to that game where I hard-pushed scum!Billy and scum!Skitter was the first to sheep me

Could just be a coincidence tho

honestly i dont' remember the minutia of what happened there but that is not what i'm doing here :) \

and requisite: :good:

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:07 pm

ah ok nm

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:19 pm

In post 1191, Day wrote:
In post 1172, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1167, Day wrote:The first question is a lot more important than the second.
i hope i adequately addressed your concerns
It satiated my curiosity at world record pacing. What's your home site out of interest?

a fairly niche community on reddit

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:21 pm

In post 1194, Luca Blight wrote:Maybe I'm just being paranoid over the brilliance of scum!skitter, but I don't want her to bus D1 and waltz through to ELO unchallenged again

i don't usually just like lolbus tho - it's usually when i gauge my partner is going down and at that point i try to gracefully join the wagon

if i'm scum with norwee he's not going down rn. i don't need to

pedit hmmmm i am a bit ruthless tho ...

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:23 pm

In post 1196, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:actually that second part is not true

but I would like to think it is

so please allow me to keep my dreams

if only for today :3

eh maybe i'd just keep you alive so we can dance :)
(in a hypothetical scum-me world, of course)

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:25 pm

well i don't really have any say in who's gonna die this game so you dont' have to worry abt that :)

pedit i'm sure i was! so fair enuf

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:25 pm

(but i will argue that if scum-me is distancing this wouldn't be a bus vote rn with scum-nor)

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:31 pm

it really is now that you mention it. i'm good at bussing :good: and knowing how it'll impact the game long-term!

but incidentally i'm not scum here tho!

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:31 pm

i know :/ we can talk about it in post

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:32 pm

that's kinda my specialty tho
and what i'm very, very, very good at :)

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:30 pm

luca to elaborate a bit: i townread you fairly strongly at this point
and i believe that you have a fairly high level of accuracy at reading norwee
(you sound kinda exactly like me when i talk abt reading someone like a50 for exactly)

i think you're therefore probably on to something, and i don't know who scum is rn, so i feel like it's worth a shot

i dont' think you're scum who's pulling 'i'm super good at reading norwee and y'all should sheep me because':
- you don't seem to expect you'll get sheeped
- if you were and you misflip town nor you'll lose a load of credibility

for all of those things together, if you're actually that good at reading him, i feel reasonably decent sheeping it

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:31 pm

and day those are, uh, reads ig

skitter30 · Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:17 pm

Lucy what's the point of asking that question

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:07 am

No.
(Although i also havent read the overnight pages)

I'll try to get that today, but i may be unable to before my vla, might have to be tomorrow night

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:12 am

In post 1261, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Anyway i think Mena might legit be bad news so far and i scumread them more than Suji from the start. I just wanted to see how the game would react around wagons such as Suji, and maybe even help me solve Mena even better.
VOTE: Menalque

Why is mena 'bad news so far'. I'm actually kinda confident he's town after his brief pop in yesterday

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:12 am

In post 1267, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think the "i townread Norwee kinda, Luca seems so sure of himself" slots like Skitter deserves a whole lot more attention. Scum would definitely egg on the TvT here and pick sides.

Go on

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:25 am

In post 1269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:*Hurls in my mouth*
This post is nasty.

Think of it this way, if you knew me/Luca was TvT what would you make of this post here? Hard pocket attempt + kill another town slot.
I also disagree on your take that Luca will lose credibility on a townflip of me, and that’s more what scum would be banking on. If Luca pushes me like this as scum with the knowledge that i would flip town i would be really freaking impressed. The correct stance is that no matter my flip Luca is town here.

Oh nm sorry

A few things:
- the credibility bit i was trying to word a bit delicately so that we dont enter like a realm we probably shouldnt, but i meant more in the context that if luca is scum and trying to use his past read accuracy on nor to tr him here, amd he gets misflipped, *he wont have that credibility in future games*, even as town. I dont know why he's lolburn that here, so i dont think he's just scum here doing this. I meant in a broader context, not right here
- i agree with you that the correct stance is that he's just town here.
- ive made it kinda clear that i dont know where scum is. I townread luca, and think he has a good lead. Why are you assuming it's scum 'eggijg on a tvt fight for pocketing purposes to get a misflip' - like why is that more likely than me not knowing where to vote and sheeping someone i think is town

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:28 am

In post 1273, Farkran wrote:That being said... i didn't realize how naive is that skitter's take on luca. Not sure if scum!her would pull it with this plist though? I would have to know how much credit she gives around these players, skitter is *usually* on a different league so she may be underestimating someone

As a redeeming factor have seen lost town!skitter in the past, and she *can* be pretty wrong in her takes (ftr it was the pyp where i hydraed with Kerset). I'm puzzled that her takes here aren't as strong as what she was doing around page 10-20.

I dont think its naive. I do agree this isnt a take scum-me takes
And i was able to get a lot of easy reads from the early game, not as much from the most recent pages.

I dont think (?) i'm having a lot of trouble keeping up, but tbf i am doing a lot od catching up at night most days, and interacting in real time is sometimes easier, that might be the difference

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:36 am

@day there's a very clear and persistent undertone where luca thinks if nor is scum he may well be unable to get the flip through

I think i addressed your other poings
I think lucy's vote on me is the worst. Nor's kinda makes sense as either alignment, day's reasoning is ok but i dont agree with. I dont like how lucy is approaching this

Spoiler:

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Pooky that is my absolute favorite song on that album :)

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:48 am

Well i'm considering switching my vote onto you sooooo

I wouldnt vote farkran, i tr him

Also if you consider me 'eviller' i'm not sure why you're asking me that

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:57 am

Oh i thought you were asking me who you should be voting instead other than me, and were offering farkran as a possible vote
(I get its a gimmick but its sometimes a little hard to follow what you're saying)

I dont particularly have someone else i think you should have voted instead, but that still doesn't negate the fact that i think your vote is bad

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:23 am

Honestly i think he's just busy irl, see the recent panic room when je was scum but couldnt play due to busy-ness - when he *was* around, he actually efforted and tried to make himself look townie and solving

Here he just doesnt care. I think for him, in that context, this is townie
[Redacted] supports that as well

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And: :) ~on the road to hell~

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:28 am

Well i'm not sure i would say its outside of his scumrange so much as recent examples indicate that probably isnt how he'd approach this as scum

Would be trying to buddy me up a lot more when he is around too, i think

Again see the most recent panic room from a couple of weeks ago to see what i mean, its in the open queue, like open 807 i wanna say?

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:29 am

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=85778

This one

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:38 am

I think if he's busy he isnt going to be putting much effort in, but as scum he will *try to look like he is*, and that he'll be political to try to get the players he thinks he needs to tr him to tr him (i.e. often me)

He isnt doing that here, so i think its townie

But fair enuf if you dont want to metadive, fark, or if you want more from him before you tr him, pooky

But i see him starting to collect votes and i just wanted to say that i'm not a fan particularly

I do think lucy is an alt and i also think i know who she is

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:17 am

Nor what do you think of my response to your vote on me?

Also i dont expect everyone to agree with me on mena, but i just want my opinion there to be known. Also i disagree with you characetizing mena's scumgame as lacking energy

Pedit! Penguin! * waves*

And penguin is like 12x easier to read than suji

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:40 am

Day's catchup is excellent, i approve

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:16 am

Fark i think youre barking up the wrong tree with pooky here tbh

Penguin why norwee?

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:18 am

In post 1316, skitter30 wrote:Nor what do you think of my response to your vote on me?

Also are you suspicous of everyone who votes you or

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:22 am

In post 1337, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1335, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1316, skitter30 wrote:Nor what do you think of my response to your vote on me?
Also are you suspicous of everyone who votes you or
I’m not suspicious of Luca.

Are you gonna continue to avoid answering the question or ...
Third time i've asked now

I think i can get a p good read on penguin by letting him play a bit, as an aside

Pedit i figured that's ehat you'd day - fwiw i'm only voting atm cuz i'm sheeping luca. But this interaction is making me like the vote more myself
Pedit2 werent you scumreading the slot earlier?

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:34 am

In post 1347, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1344, skitter30 wrote:Are you gonna continue to avoid answering the question or ...
Third time i've asked now
Just because i’m waiting to reply doesn’t mean i’m not going to.

I mean you could have just said: i'm waiting to reply
And i wouuld have dropped it

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:36 am

In post 1355, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ok i don't care for most of this, but the part about "why wouldn't i be town sheeping someone i trust to be town" is because you previously stated you townread me and are not following some meta case instead of actually solving me yourself. It's just sheeping. I don't think town!you does this

I mean why do you think scum-me does?

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:41 am

Ok so your current theory is that most of the scumteam is piling on you? And that i'm defending partner-mena?

Pedit @nor

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:51 am

In post 1373, Day wrote:skitter22, what exactly in that interaction made you like the vote more?

He's reacting badly and is apparently positing that 2/3 of the scumteam ks piling on him to mislim him rn, whe he has a wagon of exactly 3 votes iirc

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:57 am

In post 1378, Farkran wrote:
In post 1376, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1373, Day wrote:skitter22, what exactly in that interaction made you like the vote more?
He's reacting badly and is apparently positing that 2/3 of the scumteam ks piling on him to mislim him rn, whe he has a wagon of exactly 3 votes iirc
Why is this scummy though?

Assuming you know norwee as a player that is

I dont think i've played with him in at least 2 years so maybe i'm unfamiliar

But it basically seesm to me that he doesnt like the scumreads on him, and is somewhat omgus-scumreading me and penguin, and it seems to me like he's positing 2/3 of the scumteam is voting him, which seems implausible to me

Pedit yeah this isnt a reaction i townread in a vacuum, and i'm puzzled thay many people seem to be

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:58 am

In post 1383, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1380, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:My approach to you as scum is always to pocket you, because you are very easy to pocket lol and very hard to mis-elim. That's why I don't see scum motivation in skitter's approach to you.
The problem with your logic on Skitter here is that you're painting the knowledge you have about my slot as if it's universal knowledge, when theoretical scum!Skitter would necessarily not know or likely not care about how "easy" i would be to mislim up to this point.

Nah i would care abt that a lot
Fwiw in my mind you're easy to mislim, if that's a relevant piece of info

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:00 am

Ok i gotta bounce but i will take this info under account

I'll unvote for now and stee on it a bit

UNVOTE:

skitter30 · Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:01 am

*stew ugh

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:03 pm

Uh i'll actually read through everything that i missed a little later but why is mena the leading wagon and why is lucy goading a hammer on him ???

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:31 pm

In post 1420, LegoLucy wrote:She make cliche over and over again for her readings. Stories from past game she pretend were here. Like Luca not expecting followers. When you look at Luca today and actually he is dressed up like pied piper.

again i literally quoted multiple instances from where it's clear that he wasn't expecting people to listen to him

just because you want to ignore that and say the opposite doesn't make it true

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In post 1428, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1393, skitter30 wrote:Ok i gotta bounce but i will take this info under account

I'll unvote for now and stee on it a bit

UNVOTE:
Looking at this it's not something i'd give town points for. Skitter unvoting me here might be because they realize there is no support for my elimination rather than a genuine turn around.

i wasn't asking you to?
i unvoted because other information came to light that made me rethink my position and i didn't want to leave the vote on while i was vla

~

reading everyone's opinion on me and how i play and what to do about me is certainly interesting

~

In post 1480, Farkran wrote:Lastly, i think there is a certain amount of "i want to be the one who caught scum!skit" in the people voting her right now, which is unhealthy.

yes. i'm not sure that the people professing that they want to vote me actually, like, scumread me

~

maybe ydrasse is town and i was Mistaken earlier

~

i really still don't think mena is scum and i hate this wagon that has been built

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In post 1567, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Mena was town he’d have an reads list by now, would be pushing an scumread, arging strongly with people voting him.
Not this: "Y u vote me Ydrasse ;(... oh well. Time to dip."

CHANGE MY MIND

i already explained why i think he woudln't be doing that here, and why i don't think it's scummy
did you not see it or

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In post 1619, Farkran wrote:
In post 1592, Luca Blight wrote:Actually yeah Skitter would probably be bussing him by now
This

as pooky pointed out, i also literally wasn't here, so coming to any conclusions off of that is silly and pointless

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In post 1643, Farkran wrote:I can see skitter, chara, ydrasse, pooky, maybe lucy

@all of these, why aren't you voting mena? Share your thoughts

i've answered thsi at great length already, and i kinda hate that you're characterizing people defendign him as wk'ing him
i will not vote him and i don't think he's flipping scum here

i also think i'm the best person to gauge the ai-ness of his current weirdness given panic room + [redacted] and i really don't think y'all will be changing my mind
i'm p confident there's scum on his wagon

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:33 pm

VOTE: lucy
i think that this is scum and i don't get teh townreads on her. if you're townreading her feel free to enlighten me

i do not like her mena vote and i strongly dislike 1651

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:34 pm

i mean i just voted her and i've been defendign you for a while so

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:35 pm

this isn't his scumgame, and i'm p sure he knows he's like 'underperforming' classic town-mena

pedit idk there's for sure scum on there but i want to start with lucy cuz that vote was awful
penguin is probably town and i don't remember the rest of the wagon offhand

kinda curious that my wagon basically dissolved and reformed on you tho

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:36 pm

don't hammer, i'm gonna be saying i told you so all day tomorrow and probably be somewhat insufferable

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:37 pm

ya i think that that is a point we should be taking note of ^

pedit the wagonomics, not ss's thing. i think his scumgame has become better, rather than the reverse

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:38 pm

In post 1695, Alisae wrote:i think so to but if he's aware of it idunno maybe its possible for it to be faked
i'm making the conscious decision to be stoned and post in thread so i'm probably going to post questionable stuff and if mena actually does flip scum well ig they have ammo to use against me.
it's not like I've been in THAT position before oh wait I have can't wait to be in it tbh.

i don't think he's flipping scum

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:39 pm

ss is probably town too tbh

i think there's a decent number of scum in the {lucy, day, farkran, norwee} group

pedit that was about ss and you tbf

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:39 pm

*ugh and not you

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:41 pm

In post 1702, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1679, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: lucy
i think that this is scum and i don't get teh townreads on her. if you're townreading her feel free to enlighten me

i do not like her mena vote and i strongly dislike 1651
It’s more on you to sell the wagon at this point

She’s probably the weakest of my townreads but I like some of her explanations and insights

@Menalque: thoughts on Ali rn?

i mean i'm not particularly planning on making a wagon so much as i want to strongly protest the current one and vote where i think scum is

i don't think any of her insights are particularly good - can yiou quote a couple of examples of things that you like? i think she's kinda just following popular opinions and hasn't really said anything that i've townread all game, which is somewhat alarming
and i think she's posting in a more confusing manner than she could be (with the gimmick) and that that's +scum as it's making her hard to read - my quintessential example of this tell is actually an ali-alt!

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:43 pm

In post 1707, Alisae wrote:lucy?
when did she come into the equation?
they had some townie posts early, whats the case? I've kinda been giving it a blind eye.

when i started complaining that her mena vote was bad
and which posts had you been townreading?

pedit it's really interesting how the game is sort of dividing into groupings that are mutually townreading each other.

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:44 pm

In post 1714, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1703, skitter30 wrote:ss is probably town too tbh

i think there's a decent number of scum in the {lucy, day, farkran, norwee} group

pedit that was about ss and you tbf
Ugh I’m not vibing with this

Norwee is definitely Town and I’m pretty damn sure Day is too

and you lot are all bandwagoning someone i'm p damn confident is gonna flip town so

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:48 pm

In post 1725, Luca Blight wrote:I don’t get your confidence

panic room + [redacted]
i think he's in a like different phase of playing mafia than most of you are used to, and i think because he's playing different all of you lot are scumreading him

i'm saying that *even though he's playing different* in this current phase he's in this is not what his scumgame would look like. it would look more like panic room. this looks more like [redacted]
both of which i played with him in the last like two weeks so i htink i have recent examples of what his current game looks like as both alginments

i don't think he's flipping scum here

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:49 pm

In post 1727, Alisae wrote:requote the posts hopefully I read it later or I ask you again even tho that's super annoying for you

about mena or lucy?
i dont' really have that many about lucy

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:50 pm

In post 1730, Farkran wrote:
In post 1679, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: lucy
i think that this is scum and i don't get teh townreads on her. if you're townreading her feel free to enlighten me

i do not like her mena vote and i strongly dislike 1651
I think lucy is town, but my confidence in this read may vary significantly depending on whether she is who i think she is or not

I've been holding my theory because i don't know the ms etiquette for alt guessing - by the way, if i guessed correctly, i'm like 99% sure she's town. My read of lucy, netting her identity, is still a townlean though

She's been on menalque for a while now so i don't see anything bad in her consolidating on the wagon + i don't think earlier posts from her were scummy? Her vote on you is legit

I've had one issue with lucy which is post 1163+1173 (why does she vote her tr rather than her sl?) but she explained it kinda transparently and i don't think scum!her would do that if mena is town

Pedit: 120k posts

guessing is usually considered gauche
i also have a guess but it's not really helping me read her

i don't like her reasoning for scumreading either me or mena

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:51 pm

In post 1731, skitter30 wrote:i think he's in a like different phase of playing mafia than most of you are used to, and i think because he's playing different all of you lot are scumreading him

man how many times do i have to say this ...
it's literally not ai

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:53 pm

In post 1736, Luca Blight wrote:If there’s scum on the wagon then it’s probably Penguin

Thoughts on that Skitter?

wrong
getting townpings from him. not super strong town yet but i think i'll get there with a bit more interacting with him; he's easy for me to read

but this further promotes the notion that the game is sort of splitting into two halves

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:54 pm

In post 1738, Menalque wrote:Skitter either really gets me or is scum or both

But probably the first

i mean panic room + [redacted]

i think i know what you playing looks like rn

kinda hate farkran going after mena here too

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:56 pm

In post 1744, Alisae wrote:
In post 1732, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1727, Alisae wrote:requote the posts hopefully I read it later or I ask you again even tho that's super annoying for you
about mena or lucy?
i dont' really have that many about lucy
ok then sell me on lucy

vote is gross and isn't being townie

and mena i get what you're saying about panic room but even so i think there's some clear and relevant differences between there and here

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:01 pm

In post 1757, LegoLucy wrote:
In post 1671, skitter30 wrote:Uh i'll actually read through everything that i missed a little later but why is mena the leading wagon and why is lucy goading a hammer on him ???
i make warning

i mean i didn't read it that way and i've said this at least twice now that the way you're posting is not nearly as clear as it could be, and i dislike it. i understand you're doing a gimmick but since i'm having trouble understanding you i protest it

i also scumread the vote independantly of the warning

~

mena i hope you're ok

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:06 pm

In post 1763, skitter30 wrote:mena i hope you're ok

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:14 pm

Yeah idk what you're trying to say there

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:18 pm

In post 1791, LegoLucy wrote:I will probably not learn new speeches because a wolf is voting me. maybe if i ever find you in the village. maybe

Okeydoke i still like my vote

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:32 pm

In post 1800, LegoLucy wrote:
In post 1794, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1791, LegoLucy wrote:I will probably not learn new speeches because a wolf is voting me. maybe if i ever find you in the village. maybe
Okeydoke i still like my vote
Do you really, or do you already draw plans for where to place next? You know I will not take vacation here. I am just a point of talk, to vote me now. So many people have commented on my perfume. They know it is from The Village of Luca Blight.

If you know Menal is town, why do you not pick someone who voted him who might actually go to vacation? Why don't you make a push that's real, more strong to keep Menal alive, if you don't know much else?

Because he dislike me too. You are sharing a hobby with him to flirt him into your pocket. Hunting Lucy hobby. But you are faking your interest in the hobby. Bad date. Menal probably serious in hobby and think I might vacation. Menal silly.

Please at least pretend you grew up in the village. It's more exciting and mystery.

Because i think your vote on him was the worst? I thought this was obvious

And i'm trying to keep mena alive by explaining to you lot how you're very, very, very wrong

I'm also kinda baffled that you're basically saying his scumread on you is real but mine is fake while voting him, but ok
Also your timeline is backwards, i'm p sure i scumread you first, not the other way around. Its not like i conjured up the scumread that he has just to pocket him given that he wasnt scumreading you before i said i was ... like that doesnt even match what actually happened

He voted you once i did, not the othwr way around

Pedit VOTE: lucy for emphasis

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:32 pm

1800 is a load of nonsense, no offense

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:37 pm

apparently

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:40 pm

In post 1800, LegoLucy wrote:Because he dislike me too. You are sharing a hobby with him to flirt him into your pocket. Hunting Lucy hobby. But you are faking your interest in the hobby. Bad date. Menal probably serious in hobby and think I might vacation. Menal silly.

day explain to me how this accusation makes sense in the context of:
- lucy voting mena while writing it
- the fact that my scumread on lucy predates menas

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:42 pm

ok that doesn't answer the question given that you're not explaining how it makes sense for lucy to say that i'm scumreading her in order to pocket mena (who she's alleging had that read) when he hadn't had that read yet

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:44 pm

i did explain the differences, multiple times, the fact that people aren't reading them isn't entirely my fault?

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:47 pm

In post 1294, skitter30 wrote:Honestly i think he's just busy irl, see the recent panic room when je was scum but couldnt play due to busy-ness - when he *was* around, he actually efforted and tried to make himself look townie and solving

Here he just doesnt care. I think for him, in that context, this is townie
[Redacted] supports that as well

~

And: :) ~on the road to hell~

In post 1302, skitter30 wrote:I think if he's busy he isnt going to be putting much effort in, but as scum he will *try to look like he is*, and that he'll be political to try to get the players he thinks he needs to tr him to tr him (i.e. often me)

He isnt doing that here, so i think its townie

But fair enuf if you dont want to metadive, fark, or if you want more from him before you tr him, pooky

But i see him starting to collect votes and i just wanted to say that i'm not a fan particularly

I do think lucy is an alt and i also think i know who she is

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:48 pm

In post 1812, skitter30 wrote:ok that doesn't answer the question given that you're not explaining how it makes sense for lucy to say that i'm scumreading her in order to pocket mena (who she's alleging had that read) when he hadn't had that read yet

would still like an explanation for this one ...

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:48 pm

day i feel like you're looking for reasons to vote me ngl

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:49 pm

pooky i see what you're saying r.e. redacted but i don't think we should get into super much specifics given that it's still redacted
but i acknowledge your point but think this is still different

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:50 pm

In post 1821, Day wrote:I think she's saying that it's suspicious of you to push her specifically rather than anyone else on Menalque's wagon that has a better chance of being a successful counterwagon to Menalque, given you think he's town and want to save him. And the reason would be to align with and pocket him. I don't particularly agree with the theory and don't think it's a massive priority for you to pocket the number 1 wagon right now but I can see why she believes it.

no, that still doesn't explain it, but nice try given taht she's *accusing me of aligning with reads he literally hadn't had yet*

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:52 pm

i'm on a not-try-hard trajectory, which i think explains most of that, and if you are who i think you are you should be cognizant of that

and yes i understand that you guys aren't gonna like that i'm calling you out given the mutual townreading you have going on, but that's how i see it

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:54 pm

In post 1828, Day wrote:I don't mean your initial Lucy suspicions, I mean your recent ones and picking to push her over anyone else.

ok but this is currently what she's accusing me of and it's literally nonsense (you can't and haven't been able to explain it) so i'm voting her over it, yes

pedit yes, i'm not surprised that you'd say that either
i'm not saying all of you are scum but i don't think all of you are town

and hi luca can you explain how lucy's recent accusation of me in 1800 makes sense, i'm very eager to hear how that would work given that it goes against the timeline of how reads actually unfolded

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:55 pm

In post 1831, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this is silly

mena starts in skitters pocket

she has no need to pocket him if she is s and he is t

this si true as well

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:56 pm

In post 1800, LegoLucy wrote:Because he dislike me too. You are sharing a hobby with him to flirt him into your pocket. Hunting Lucy hobby. But you are faking your interest in the hobby. Bad date. Menal probably serious in hobby and think I might vacation. Menal silly.

day.

she's literally saying that i'm trying to pocket mena by sharing his scumread on her

(and thus casting grand aspersions on my reads, my motivations for them, how i'm interacting with mena)

when. mena. was. townreading. lucy.

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:57 pm

this was also incidentally written while *lucy had just recently placed the e1 vote on mena*

that whole thing doesn't make sense as a real progression

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:02 pm

day this is the timeline. i need to know how 1800 makes sense in this timeline

Spoiler:

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:04 pm

In post 1849, Chara wrote:okay, so who should skitter have picked to push instead of Lucy?

apparently penguin but that's like the one person i kinda townread on wagon so like

pedit yes so from my pov lucy's push on me looks like literal garbage, no?

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:09 pm

no but i have a guess for who she is

also day to compound the above: she's saying all of this right after she voted mena to e1. i.e. she's saying that i'm scummier than mena and that i'm trying to pocket him blah blah blah just after she placed the e1 vote on him (and thus indicating she scumreads him ...)

pedit yes can we vote lucy now? 1800 was awful

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:12 pm

yeah it's not great but he kinda needs to back down as either alignment. probably nai

next we're going to do luca cuz he had a similar reaction apparently

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:14 pm

pooky! will you vote lucy with me????

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:17 pm

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:19 pm

In post 1872, Day wrote:
In post 1861, Chara wrote:i don't get the argument that skitter should vote someone who will actually go to elimination to save Mena, it kind of sidesteps the act of voting a player you scumread and is just a weird framing of the vote.

pedit: eh.
From the start of 1800, it looks like Lucy sees herself as very townread in the village, so she might be thinking wolf skitter's making a push that doesn't actually have a chance of going through to save Menalque, and is only doing it for appearances? The pocket thing is flawed but I can see reasoning behind that part of it.

if scum-me is trying to save partner-mena that would be a very ineffective way of goinb about it, no?

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:22 pm

ok yes please do

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:26 pm

ok but if i'm scum trying to save my partner pushing someone who's unpushable isn't going to get me very far? like how does that help anything

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:28 pm

right, the person she just voted to e1

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:39 pm

In post 1893, Day wrote:
In post 1882, skitter30 wrote:right, the person she just voted to e1
I can sympathize with reading two players independently and not doing pre-flip team reads but I agree it is a little jarring in this case.

she's literally going: e-1 mena
and then shortly thereafter saying that i'm scum trying to pocket him

why and how she switched from one to the other isn't clear, and those universes don't make sense to believe in at the same time

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:44 pm

i don't think day is necessarily scum if lucy is tbf

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:47 pm

In post 1910, Chara wrote:
In post 1908, skitter30 wrote:i don't think day is necessarily scum if lucy is tbf
if Day is scum the Lucy read feels more WKy than partner-y to me.

ig i'm kinda working backwards from you where i'm starting with lucy-scum and seeing how i feel about day given that

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:53 pm

i also want to say (again) that i think that posting in an intentionally opaque fashion after other people have said it's hard to parse is scummy, even if it's a gimmick
(especially if it's a gimmick)

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:55 pm

ime i think that town usually tries to make it less opaque when called out on it
scum keep going their merry way

skitter30 · Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:56 pm

In post 1783, LegoLucy wrote:
In post 1763, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1757, LegoLucy wrote:
In post 1671, skitter30 wrote:Uh i'll actually read through everything that i missed a little later but why is mena the leading wagon and why is lucy goading a hammer on him ???
i make warning
i mean i didn't read it that way and i've said this at least twice now that the way you're posting is not nearly as clear as it could be, and i dislike it. i understand you're doing a gimmick but since i'm having trouble understanding you i protest it

i also scumread the vote independantly of the warning

~

mena i hope you're ok
I learn double, how you talk to confused post, and how you talk to rightly post. Explaining my words passes the comb over my mind again. It brings a harvest of notions.

In post 1791, LegoLucy wrote:I will probably not learn new speeches because a wolf is voting me. maybe if i ever find you in the village. maybe

this is her response when i called her out on it so like