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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hello friends

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have a green role pm

which means inevitably skitter will murder me in some horrible manner


she is so mean


VOTE: pooky

good bye cruel world

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im surprised you havent started dancing with hectic yet Ydrasse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you trying to help him stay undercover or something?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ngl u owe me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

norwee is not allowed to vote me this game he owes me big

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It’s not my fault you had to lead your certain someone with a carrot to catch the certain obvscum.

IF YOU SAW HOW MUCH I HAD TO DO YOU WOULD KNOW HOW MUCH YOU OWE ME BUDDY

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hectic is here Fark

he would not miss this for the world

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this pl <3 <3 <3

Skitter, I would be both honored and flattered if you would accept a dance with me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let the poor hectic rest without us altsniping him if he's here

ydrasse pretending to not know about hectic's alt when they joined the game together +1 scumpoint

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Farkran has already caught Ydrasse-scum on page 2

all the things I've heard about his scum hunting prowess were not exaggerations

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he doesn't tell me his alts :c

are you pretending you didn't invite him to this game or he didn't invite you to this game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i joined this table at work when i saw how gooooooood it looked

exactly 24 minutes after you signed up for the game a new account was created on mafiascum.net with a cute cartoon avatar and also signed up for this game.

not suspicious at all.

at all

all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what reaction do you want?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm busy hunting down the Ydrasse/Hectic scum team

I don't have time to flirt with Skitter.

I mean I am kind of flirting with Skitter already

but she hasn't reciprocated yet.

So I got my eye on her -.-

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

IT'S NOT MY FAULT IF HE JOINED

maybe i tempted him by signing up huh, ever think about that? he saw my name int he cute little queue thread and popped in

You two are thick as thieves

this feigned ignorance can only mean one thing

scum together

CLEARLY

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The evidence is overwhelming

I just need to find their third partner

its probably someone who hasn't posted yet

Alisae

there we go

Alisae-Ydrasse-Hectic

HEWOOOSOLVE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nvm its suji

Suji-Ydrasse-Hectic

locked in

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am a

vanilla townie

I would never do something like

lie

about my role

As I am aligned with the

town

faction i am planning to do

not very much

and to allow the

good players

present to carry me to an easy

victory

Thank you all for your

time

Mena Locktown

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oh no

And so it begins

Mena can you figure out that I'm town this time?

I will give you cookies and love.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky pocketing me so probably bad but I guess we’ll roll with it

Mena you so adoorbs

I'd pocket you regardless of my alignment

which btw is green because I came in with a deathly fear of Tiger-Death and I only have that feeling when I'm town with her.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have. In my very first game here. It was a newbie game and she admittedly didn't play full strength - but still, i have spectated some town!skit games and she's waaay more aggressive than her scum counterpart. Again, this is from my memory of 1 year ago, things might have changed

I think she's become more mellow and happy over the last few months and that's shown up in her playstyle. I don't think aggression is something that's reliable for reading her at this point in time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Maybe I’ll just aim to lim you 27% of the time and we can call it quits

One day you will understand me like I understand you <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Talk to me about your recent memories of skitter

2 of them are ongoing so I can't discuss those but they point towards a more mellow & happy skitter.

the last completed game I played with her was Tenet and she try-harded very much as town and it was extremely frustrating for her - we talked about it in the post game and I think the conclusion was that it's better for personal happiness to not be as competitive and tryhard aggro and to just chill/have fun.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why do you believe this to be mafia team? Hectic is not a player in this game.

just because you don't know your scum partner day is hectic doesn't mean I don't know your scum partner day is hectic.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm pretty bad at dates. i always think doing something fun is the way to go, then i end up devoting more time to the event than to the person i'm out with.

the sweetest love is the one that's just out of reach.

Sometimes the absence of joy is sweeter than fulfillment of one's dreams.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Suji WKing Fark with some lulzlogic

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

they're fun! i have went a few times, i really like taking photos of the birds, and also the petting zoo parts because im like, a kindergartener

Ydra caught scum trying to hide in a zoo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So, you believe Day to be an alternate account of Hectic. Could you answer the first question? It is the more important one.

Ydra's response to initial query indicates she is trying to hide signing up with Hectic, makes no sense to do unless they happened to roll scum together.

You were thrown in because I need 3 for my hero solve.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's a really bad approach. my poor date is just there like trying to get to know me better and i'm here playing an enthusiastic game of secret hitler

trying to re-arm Nazi Germany is a great way to get to know someone.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Would you mind explaining how you think that I am White Knighting Farkran?

because the initial accusation is nonsensical and unlikely to go anywhere and probably a joke so I'm not sure why you would even bother responding with a statement of fact defense.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

surely you don't believe this, Pooky!

I love tragedies Chara,

Sweet tragedies

things that could have been but were not

heartbreak,

lovers missing each other by inches or miles

potential gone to waste from the whimsy of fate.

Happy endings are boring,

They lack depth.

What is the point of existence if not suffering?

Suffering is beautiful

Sorrow is Sweet Wine.

Pain is how we feel,

Love spilled upon the grass - flowing away in the rain.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What defense? My point was not to assign alignment to Farkran, but to understand Menalque’s reasoning behind calling him mafia. Menalque’s stated reasoning did not make sense.

yea so it was obviously a joke :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I DIDN'T SIGN UP WITH HECTIC THIS TIME I PROMISE AHHHHH

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky im going to 1v1 you

That wouldn't be fair

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

youre right, i cant beat up someone WEAKER THAN ME... though idk how thats even possible tbh

Fate himself couldn't kill me 1v1.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mena perhaps its time to share our favorite Russian poetry?

"There are better or worse than me
Peoples or gods, and there may be
In everyone — the fire sprouts,
In everyone — the grief of clouds.

And everyone will burn the other one,
Then extuinguish the fire,
And everyone will sadly sigh,
While looking into each's eye.

Let I'll be the tzar over myself,
Let it be with me — all my anger.
For then I'll see above the chaos
Such a dazzling and shining girls' features!

I'll create my life only by myself,
I'll ruin by myself my life.
I'll look at a dawn and together
With those whom I fall into love."

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but fate HERSELF could do it

(corporation voice) happy women's day <3

I only live for Skitter to kill me !

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, i feel like you’re almost as much of a romantic as me and I don’t understand how you seem to be a basically happy and cheerful person in spite of that

Because I enjoy heartbreak and tragedy

my heart has been broken, shattered, crushed into little bits more times than I can count.

I have been where you have been - and after a while, you begin to enjoy it

the sadness, the loneliness, the tragic feeling that you will never be understood.

It becomes part of you, like a darkness that blossoms,

The shining light goes out

you open your eyes and you feel the pain

like really embrace it,

tears sweet as raindrops falling

you begin to live for it

and that's how you know you are home.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay cool, just checkin

i had to see if we'd played together before. unfortunately i remember very little from Your Nightmare besides being played like a fiddle by Hectic and his partner. who was......... was it skitter? it doesn't matter.

Nah, she wasn’t in that

I can’t remember who the other was tho

I also played with you in one of the Undertale games but I was alting

partner was Isis

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i see where we stand, pooky...

sigh......

you were the one who left me dear!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes you did

you might not remember

dancing with him while I waited outside in the rain

roses in my hand.

you left me like you forgot about me

that night

you were so happy in his arms

and I was so happy for you

twirling under the lights in that dance hall

so beautiful - so lovely.

music that sounded otherworldly

happiness so close

but so far away.

what is tragedy but beauty that blossoms from the soul?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Sorry 'm late, was sleeping.

caught hectic scum

kill with fire plz

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this pl <3 <3 <3

Skitter, I would be both honored and flattered if you would accept a dance with me

^

you might have missed this beautiful,

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Japanese Valentine's day is coming up though!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh yea true

she was super chill in the Hectic/FL game too!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i accept

I am counting this as a win no matter what happens

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I was very happy too, i remember staying up until 6 AM during elo and my heart was throbbing like crazy when hectic voted nacho instead of you and oh my god it was so epic

As for skitter, yeah just the aggression thing rn, but she has to keep that up or it will fade quickly

oh

this is the Fark that was the other half of the Chara team that smashed poor Hectic so badly.

Lovely to meet you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also pooky i really like that gif

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: skittr

skitter is very very very town here mena

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I know I just wanted her to pay attention to me

aren't you supposed to be dancing with ydra -.-


stop trying to steal my dance partner's attention

I will duel you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oh god who is scum this game

performative

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pistols at dawn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah skittles

taste the rainbow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I decline your challenge

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hectic shows up and Ydrasse stops talking

they must be busy flirting hard in the scum PT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm saving that post for the post game to see whether I'm right

you two better not refuse to release the scum PT like that last time you were scum together

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hectic is Day

the artwork is very similar to what he used in SS3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky he pinged me to come say youre insane in the scum pt is that what you want me to say !?

a scumfession

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he doesnt tell me his alts anyways because hes mean to me

pretty sure you joined, then msged him on Discord and told him to join, then he said ok ill join with an alt, and then an alt signed up for the site and joined

but what do I know I only share a soul with the guy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it is

it is and im owning up to it this game

Refuge in Audacity

Loving it!

Your scum range is really expanding Ydra :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I WAS AT WORK I DIDNT MESSAGE HIM EEEEEEE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mena always gets scumpings from me when I'm town

it's his thing :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Even if it was in a jokey way

Just weird timing

are you on drugs right now because your perception of time is really off

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

“On drugs” sounds so pejorative pooky

?

why is using drugs pejorative?

drugs warp your perception of reality.

that's

what they are meant to do...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter what is your favorite type of music to dance to?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

okay so the vibes are similar but liiiike

why do i just do the Same Exact Thing that got me caught out and speedelimmed that game though? like i did nothing and got bit in the ass, thats not the most inspiring thing for me to look to wrt a town game

You didn't get caught or speed elimmed for it.

It worked until I tilted FL so far off the map that he lost thread control and couldn't protect you anymore.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Honestly how was ydra not the first lim in hectic vs FL

she pocketed flavor leaf really hard lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how did it work if... we lost and flavor leaf was like "yeah flip this" and then... i got flipped? and i was poe'd by a ton of people?

FL said "flip this"

AFTER you got hammered lololol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mena jealous because his dance partner is scumity scum while my dance partner is as pure and innocent as the first snowfall of winter.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Oooooh Heavenly day,
All the clooooouds blew awaay,
Got noooo trouble tooodaaay,
With anyone...

Smiles on your faaace,
I live only to seee,
It's enough for mee baby,
Oh Heavenly Day!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

RIDE OR DIE POOKSTER

I'm just here to dance with Skitter.

Whether I accidentally catch the bad guys along the way isn't that important to me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mena

I have my dance partner at hard locktown willing to bet like a million dollars on it.

can you sort ydra already we need to solve the rest of the game too.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You had half the game pocketed for like 4 phases

It is mildly insane that you think she would replicate behaviour from a game she

just lost

where it’s only utility would be negated by the presence of people from that game in this one

1. Refuge in Audacity

2. If it doesn't work, try try again.

3. She's like really good at it.

4. WIFOM

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am very confident on ydrasse town

this is like the last nail in ydra's coffin lol

VOTE: Ydrasse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Fuck, @S_S, no it would still be foolish to do it as scum right after doing it in front of someone who caught you for it and knows you just did that as scum

I mean I've literally done it.

replicate parts of my scum game in order to get townread

with people who just saw my scum game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There’s no need to be rude

oh cmon you know that was a reaction test right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You are you and ydrasse is ydrasse

I'm only using it to refute the idea that it's insane to do it.

Maybe Ydrasse likes playing mafia that way regardless of her alignment

maybe she has fun playing mafia that way.

regardless - it's not her playing that way that's the scumtell

it's her reaction after being called out on it that's scummy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im just going to flirt every game until people realize it's not ai

the implication here is she will flip red btw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lucy explain why to mena hes a bit slow on the uptake. also i kinda want to see if you actually follow the logic too.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

enh that's not fully what I was going for but it's close

"im just going to flirt every game until people realize it's not ai"

this line implies that she needs to flirt every game UNTIL we realize its not AI.

as in future games.

as in she will flip red here and we will think its AI.

because if she flips green here, we will know its not AI - and she wouldn't have to "flirt every game to make us realize its not AI" - we'd realize it as soon as she flips green here.

but she's saying she has to flirt every game, to make us realize its not AI.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

basically this is classic "caught for the wrong reasons" scum response.

we caught her as scum for something she would do as town.

and she's telling us she's gonna do it every game

in order to make us understand it's not AI.

as in we will think its AI

because

she will flip red this game.

But she's going to make us realize it's actually not AI, by flirting in every game she plays.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

.....

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

she will eventually flip because this game will eventually end.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yoink?

TOOO SLOW MENA

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Fucking latency

IMAGINE BLAMING LAG WHEN YOU HAVE ARTHRITIC FINGERS

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How will we be each other's toys when it is over, Mr. Pooky? Do you think this is tragic?

The end is just another beginning

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mena i'm giving you a chance to change your Ydra read b4 she flips red.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hectic are you going to give us a Ydra read or do I have to continue attacking?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Going into page 21 against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you unanswered questions. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead.

the more you continue to hide behind cute words and funny lines the more I will think I was right about Ydra/Hectic as a scum team :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and i have pooky doing fucking backflips to justify him "catching me" and it's like

i feel bad but if this somehow does get me flipped i hope he realizes how stupid he's being this game so far because he will SEE I AM GREEN and he's hopping on gotchas that are going to look so just. yeah, after the fact

@Hectic

does this line from Ydra here TMI that she knows I'm green?

She seems to apparently already know this is not scum Pooky pushing her for mis-elim 1.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like im just

i feel super frustrated already w this game which is dumb but it feels like I Do Not Get To Have Fun Playing this one + i dont get to play how i want to (read, fun bc i really like this player list) and it will take me flipping town for people to see it's not AI for me to act like this i guess, idk

I would feel bad if I were to push you and you were to flip green.


Truly genuinely terrible.

I'm not even sure I'm willing to push this to a flip so you don't actually have to start AtE guilt tripping me about making you miss a game with your friends.

I mean this is only like the first few hours of thread being open, I'll probably get bored and move on to another target.

the last thing I want is to cut my dancing time with Skitter short.

and despite how you have crushed my heart into little itty bitty pieces

I still do adore you and enjoy talking with you.

If I did not, you would not be the first person I push in such a fun game :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Suji

See Ydra

I do adore you.

I don't want to kill you

even though I think you could be bad.

It's fine.

I am perfectly happy with you living. :3

Games are more fun when everyone has fun!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Fwiw i townread poomy a decent amt

Fwiw I townread Skitter MUCH HARDER than she townreads me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and this is one of those unbreakable reads.

so if you're scum you don't have to worry about me somehow waking up from this dream

I will love you forever.

Pocket me and break my heart at the end of the game.

Make me yours and I will die happy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why is it an unbreakable read again?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why do you believe skitter onto the village Bear? Did you agree with my comment about her?

I scrolled back in your ISO and didn't figure out which comment you were asking about.

I think Skitter is town because there's a very happy undertone to her posting - it feels too carefree and unrestrained to be coming from a red role pm.

She's very relaxed - whimsical even.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my tr of her is imore tonal than effort based - she's perfectly capable of efforting as a wolf

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is a bit shocking though

You had just made a post accusing ydrasse and then join against suji? Why?

it literally says it in the post.

I like Ydra as a person, I do not want to cause her any suffering or cause her not to have fun in a mafia game with her friends just because I think she's scum and should be eliminated.

That's not a nice thing to do.

and I also have a habit of getting tunneled when I super believe in something and that's not something that's healthy for the game state.

plus if i'm like actually right on ydrasse,

and i speed push her elim thru

i will probly get shot at night

and then who will dance with skitter?


that would be tragic.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I want to take note of this because i don't like the timing and content of this post when compared to day's introduction

Like, he promised a catchup read but this feels a bit lackluster - as if he just picked one of two sides (ydratown vs ydrascum) and offered the general consensus produced by his side rather than independent opinion

@day how much experience do you have with ydrasse?

Hectic has a lot of experience with Ydrasse

they are two sides of the same coin,

I agree this read feels flat and functional - it lacks FEELING.

I'd be ok with slotting Hectic as scum here.

Even if he and I are of one soul.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky feels like he has an agenda and its scummy

LOLOLOL WHAT AGENDA ARE YOU SERIOUS

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think Pooky is acting like scum with their "fun takes" on Ydrasse/Hectic scum team and then seemingly switching to Sujimichi like it ain't no thing.
Like they are trying to act super friendly, but in an unnatural way. And then their Suji vote solidifies how it all just feels fake.

Norwee why are you so bad at this game lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Both Day and Pooky voted Suji, but Pooky's vote seems more opportunistic than Day. Day said they thought Luca's read wasn't fake and thusly followed up with an vote on Suji.
Again, it's early and either one of us could be on the right or wrong path here. But i'm seeing Pooky's read development as overall more scummy than Day. And i also scumread Pooky more by their tone, Day i'm not that familiar with but i trust them more than other slots at this point.
It's also of note that Pooky voted Suji later than Day did, while Day's vote seemed more spontaneous/natural, conclusively it does not seem to have been an calculated decision from Day.

You would think after that TM game where you were horribly wrong for almost the entire game you would've gotten some humility lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't really like any of ali's takes

cuz ali is scum lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I’m not getting any Town vibes at all from Norwegian so far

nah he's town

he just has really awful reads.

I had to read his entire ISO for TM and he knows how bad he plays when he has a town role pm lolol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Alisae

E tipped her hand too early

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Is Ali the one who suspected Day? Maybe I misrememberered

ali townread day

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here is my slap dash Ali case and why e is scum:


Let's look at e's progression on Ydrasse/Pooky:




No reasoning given for liking Ydrasse - pretty sure Ali is reading the part when Ydra comes under attack.




Setting me up for being attacked after Ydrasse flips green



Followup post - tries to set me up for a fight with mena.

2nd part: says either Ydrasse is green and I'm scum pushing her OR Ydrasse is red and e is wrong on Ydrasse - COMPLETELY IGNORING THAT me/ydra could be town/town



This post is out of place.

Why does Ali regret posting? Why does Ali regret getting into the thread?

Think about it, what has Ali done at this point that suddenly Ali regrets?

Ali has set up for Ydra green flip followed by Ali pushing Pooky the day after for being WRONG on ydra.

But at this point Ali has read up to the part where I flip my vote off Ydra so Ali knows e's plan is not going to work as e thinks cuz I'm no longer pushing Ydra.

MASSIVE REGRET AT THIS POINT

ALL OF ALIS PLANS FOILED CUZ POOKY ISNT EVEN PUSHING YDRA ANYMORe

LOOK AT ES SAD FACe

LOOK AT THE REGRET

tsk tsk

so what's E's new plan?



yea let's kill Pooky anyway!!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SO ORIGINALLY

YOU WANTED TO KILL ME FOR BEING WRONG ON YDRA AND FLIPPING A GREEN YDRA

BUT NOW SINCE I UNVOTED

YOU WANT TO KILL ME FOR HAVING AN AGENDA

WHAT A JOKE

IN NO FANTASY WORLD IS THAT A LOGICAL THOUGHT PROGRESSION GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD.



TLDR Summary:


Alisae: "Pooky wants to kill ydrasse, lets kill pooky after ydrasse flips green"
Alisae: "Pooky doesn't want to kill ydrasse anymore, i regret posting the above"
Alisae: "Enh fuck it let's kill pooky anyway, he's got an AGENDA"


E is scum, that's not a logical way to think.

Kill with fire thanks.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My early game takes can be bad but Pooky only thinks they’re good because of 1 game. He understands they get better over time so him calling me out is weird. Town!Pooky is probably patient with me cuz he knows if he’s town I should see it eventually.

nah I understand how your town brain thinks and your scum brain thinks and this is absolutely a scum line of play coming from you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ah see skitter looks a bit better.

Pooky looks at my read and calls me scum
Skitter looks at my reads and doesn’t understand what’s going on but is ok admitting it (I feel the same way about her takes)

I'm not even talking about your reads.

I'm talking about your progression making no sense

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Did Pooky actually open up this gamethread and decide to play the openwolf as much as possible? Tbh that’s the only way his actions make any sense to me.

I don’t get this reaction otherwise tbh.

nice fluffy shitposting

you gonna explain the regret comment then?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don’t think I’ve obviously towntold myself but Pooky’s read on me is way too strong for it to be a naturally formed read that comes from the desire to be right.

are you going to explain the regret comment?

third chance

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the easiest way to defend that case btw was to explain what exactly you regretted and WHY

first thing town you would've done actually - say what you actually regretted instead of the thing that I said you were regretting

because

that's the EASIEST thing for you to refute.

but instead you've resorted to shitposting while randomly throwing stuff at me

sounds to me like you're thinking of something to say and you don't have an actual regret other than what i posted

which means im riiiiiight

:3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so you're calling me scum for suspecting you

without even reading why I suspect you.

nice ali

that's totally the way you play mafia

why assess whether someone's case/though process on you

has any bearing to reality

or is valid in concern

when you can just dismiss them as scum

nice

nice

nice

I'm glad we are playing that way

its a lot of fun.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

IN NO FANTASY WORLD IS THAT A LOGICAL THOUGHT PROGRESSION GOING ON IN YOUR HEAD.

Right, and this is Alisae, a person known for being careful and deliberate and favoring logic over emotion all the time.

This is a solid point

++

SS got my back

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats very helpful ali

instead of explaining to me why im wrong

you would rather die and make me die too

very helpful

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I haven't played with Ydrasse.

Hectic lolcatting at this point :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why do you have to be so rude. If you read the TM game then you should know that my reads become ass when town starts insulting and belittling me, so if you’re doing this as town here then that’s really disgusting.
I’m worried you’re just trying to discredit me now, "oh look at Norwee, he is town but always has bad reads ;((("

I said I read your ISO, I didn't read the context.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I’m worried you’re just trying to discredit me now, "oh look at Norwee, he is town but always has bad reads ;((("

? why would I even bother discrediting you? Do you think I'm worried about you pushing me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dam Pooky I get ur scum but dam u don’t need to make norwee feel insignificant thats fucked up

still no response to my case on you lol

and no im not making him feel insignificant

im addressing his belief that I would even discredit him in the first place

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like instead of engaging me on my read Pooky is just saying i’m town and wrong, and then attacking Alisae, it gives me a bad taste in the mouth.

sure i'll engage with you on your read

tell me what your read is based on

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and I'm attacking Alisae based on things that Alisae has done

it literally has nothing to do with you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ya bro haven’t read ur case and not going to while I’m in bed.
But that’s why I’m scum in this game KEKW pogger pog yep scum yep scum

more shit posting with no substance

got it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I didn’t really townread Alisae but i agree on their points that Pooky’s case looks like mostly omgus and it’s too confident for this point in the game.

her progression on me/ydra was:



Ydra is town (no explanation)
->
Pooky is scum because he's trying to kill Ydra who I have as town.
->
I'm ok with flipping Ydra(who i have as town) because it'll show either Pooky is scum or I'm wrong on Ydra
->
(reads the part where I'm no longer pushing Ydra)
->
Let's just kill Pooky anyway.


Do you really not get why that progression is scummy as fuck?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why does this progression miss that Alisae was reacting to your scumread on em?

????

I scumread Ali for this progression.

I didn't scumread her before I read this progression

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like it's just a picking of events that sound the worst, you must know that.
also Ali saying something like "i'm fine flipping my townread to prove you wrong" seems really in character. no shade but spite is an Ali emotion.

I'm literally going down here ISO and picking out everything she says about ydrasse/pooky...

this isn't cherrypicked this is her actual thoughts as they happen in chronological order.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oops sorry for the wrong pronouns

should be eir iso etc.

the progression does not make sense because if Ali is willing to let Ydra die to see if Ali is wrong about Pooky/Ydra

Me unvoting ydra should make Ali less willing to kill me, not more.

That's why I said E is thinking in terms of mis-elims, not figuring out the truth.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Alisae trying to set me up for getting elimmed after Ydrasse townflip makes me think Ydra is just town here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

town alisae is more likely to think about T/T whereas scum alisae is just looking for mis-elims and pushing a pooky/ydra dichotomy is very pro-scum if P/Y are both town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You think this occurs to town-Alisae but doesn't occur to scum-Alisae trying to emulate their town thought processes?

You have a fundamental error here.

Scum!Alisae does not emulate town!alisae's thought process.

Scum!Alisae believes in pushing scum role objectives. The goal for Scum!Alisae is not to blend in, it's to push mis-elims and win.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You could say that about anyone trying to solve. Just because someone says it’s more likely SvT doesn’t mean they didn’t consider the possibility of TvT.

where in alisae's posts do you see even any consideration of Ydra/Pooky being TvT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Norwee

do you think there's any possibility

that I'm just town and wrong about someone being scum?

Like isn't that pretty much the default scenario for any town player who's pushing early d1 off no info?

the odds mathematically aren't on our side.

So immediately jumping to a SvT dichotomy when we're mostly just probing and reaction testing at this stage with no info

is super shady...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I could be wrong about Ali sure.

I could be wrong about lots of stuff.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: pooky

Why are you backpedaling?

?

it's a statement of fact in response to a question

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what step back are you even talking about?

Norwee asked me if I could be wrong about Alisae

and I said I could be wrong.

Like that's not a step back, that's a statement of fact.

I can be wrong (It happens!)

I'm not some infallible scumhunting god.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and that's not even a strong case.

I've reconsidered on much stronger cases.

If you do not constantly question if you are wrong on something,

you're just not playing very well.

I sometimes get tunnelled - I am working on getting better at questioning my own beliefs.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bolded sentence in the post i quoted wasn't referring to something in the past, you specifically said "this stage", "with no info"

Yet just a few pages ago you took your time to build a case against ali including forum screenshots, i mean, that took a significant effort to label it as probing right now

I see a strong discrepancy between what you pushed ali for and how much you *want* to commit to it now

the probing/reaction testing with no info

refers to my initial push on Ydrasse which was not very serious from my PoV.

Alisae jumped to a SvT dichotomy on it and pushed that dichotomy.

I find that scummy.

Building a case with screenshots of like 5 posts is not high effort for me.

When I build serious cases they look much much better.

I don't commit to things early on D1, we are not even 24 hours into the game - I am simply not going to hard commit to anything this early. There's plenty of game left to be played.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here you go

@SS

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12403331

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1. Its not in the same bin as the other votes.

2. My response to norwee is simply that I can be wrong. thats a thing that happens. it would be arrogant to say otherwise.

3. Im not positioning for anything, Ali isnt even close to being flipped.

4. I am responding to your conment about commitment. You seem to think this is some super strong case that I need to be married to. thats simply not the case. nor is it how I want to play the game, I enjoy mafia and am trying to avoid hard tunnelling. I will make the best case I can for ali-scum and if people dont agree I will move on. If i think there are reasons I am wrong I will move on. If something more scummy comes along I will move on. I am not here to play town dictator and force my reads down everyones throats.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the context of 719 is not that I am wrong on Alisae.

It's that I am wrong on Ydrasse.

If you look at the posts above it, where Day is talking to Norwee about how the default is TvT but Ali didn't even consider that possibility.

I am telling Norwee hey I could be wrong about Ydra, but why doesnt Alisae even consider this possibility?

His retort asks me well what if you're wrong about Alisae? Have you thought about that?

And my response is Yea sure I can be wrong about Alisae, that's definitely possible.

It would be extremely arrogant for me to state that I am infallible and can never be wrong about something.


My other retorts to you are very simple.

I have fun playing this game.

I am not interested in building a strong case and making everyone sheep me.

If you guys don't like my case, I'll look for other things to do, other bad guys, other scum other cases etc. I am not here to play dictator or town leader or whatever. I'm here to have fun.

If Ali-scum wins in the end because nobody listened to me about Ali-scum on d1 - that's fine. I'll live with it - it's more important that everyone gets involved and has fun.

Life is about more than just winning.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Only bad players are 100% convinced they have to be right.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Eh, i see him pushing full force against alisae at first, then lowering his degree of certainty by several orders of magnitude for... no reason at all, except norwee asking a question that has nothing to do with alisae actions?

My level of conviction in Alisae being scum has not changed at all. The only thing that changed is your perception of it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok :3

VOTE: noone

see now my conviction level has changed :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

his point is good though - Ali does have a tendency to do illogical things.

and people keeping me from doing stupid things are usually protown

scum usually just let me go kamikaze on someone

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ali's original posts made it look like e thought the two scenarios possible were:

(a) scumPooky is pushing ydra mis-elim

or

(b) TownPooky is pushing Ydra-scum

and E said E was ok with flipping Ydra because either E is just wrong about Ydra or Pooky is scum.

Then later E votes me even though I was already not voting Ydra - means the original reasoning is not what she was going for.

I think E is much more likely to say this if Me/Ydra are Town/Town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

shall I pick some new music for our dance tonight?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm honestly not that interested in scum hunting I'd rather just flirt shamelessly I don't even know why I started scum hunting in the first place :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hi Beautiful,

Let's just dance the night away,

and let all these silly thoughts go,

till the Sun wakes us from this dream.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the music in that movie/musical is beautiful

it is my favorite broadway show! ive seen it like three times :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I managed to see Hamilton in September right b4 covid so that was good :3

otherwise tho just fingers crossed hoping it won't be too crazy the reopening!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i've seen it never but i've listened to the OBC recording/movie soundtrack and it's just gorgeous
really like 'falling slowly'

You have to see it!

It is a fantastic show - so beautiful and charming and funny.

I really loved the Reprise for "Falling Slowly"

So many emotions!!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and i passed the final. barely. but it was passed.

this is great news

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm listening to the reprise rn. it is awesome.

dancing with you to this song is a dream <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky your gifgame is on point <3

Let's rewrite the stars tonight...

Dance until they fall out of the night sky

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unless literally his whole game is like to try to pocket me (which i suppose is possible)

It is! It is! <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dont townlock me skitter

i dont want to get nightkilled

just want to dance with you <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I really enjoy this PL

and I like this game a lot

and I really enjoy dancing with Skitter.

so I don't really get why people seem to think my pushes are pushing for elimination.

I don't like killing people.

Unless I'm like scum

then I really like killing people

but even then this is a bit soon :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You were in One Night Stand. One Night Stand was just me blending in. Are we ignoring the existence of this game? Why are you ignoring this game?

Well you remember what I said about one night stand and the TR on you there.

it was pretty much on point!

so on point you tried to use it to breadcrumb to FL :3

Also it's more out of the norm than your typical scum-game.

And I don't think you enjoyed blending in very much - since you didn't seem to enjoy one night stand very much :3

so why wouldn't you go back to the tried and true?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

While up to One Night Stand, I had a very proactive scumgame with the focus on driving the narrative and controlling the agenda. (Pooky was IN this game btw and it fooled him)

it didn't really fool me tho

I said you were playing a more relaxed game and hence town unless you were exactly teamed with Flavor Leaf

I then pushed FL out a window and he flipped scum cuz he had the worst botched claim eva lol.

so I would've come back to you at some point :3.

probably to kill you since you tried so hard to defend FL from me with some fake doctor claim.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont' think you're trying to kill anyone here

I'm just here to dance with you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That post was written before One Night Stand. In One Night Stand I decided to try something new.
Pooky is completely ignoring the existence of that game and how that plays into it which is really weird.

that post represents your normal scum meta

the way you enjoy playing scum and what you are used to.

One Night stand is

one game

where you deviated from your scum meta.

and as far as I can tell, you didn't enjoy it very much.

Since you um rageconceded pretty early without even getting permission from your team.

So why would I reasonably expect you to continue playing scum in a way that makes you unhappy - instead of just playing it the normal way you used to enjoy?

and besides I'm not even meta-ing you and calling you scum based on this meta, I'm simply responding to SS because he didn't know this about your scum meta and thought it was a point towards you being town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How do we get from here

Eh, i see him pushing full force against alisae at first, then lowering his degree of certainty by several orders of magnitude for... no reason at all, except norwee asking a question that has nothing to do with alisae actions?

My level of conviction in Alisae being scum has not changed at all. The only thing that changed is your perception of it.

to here

i'm not really vibing pooky's ali case tbh

to here

ok :3

VOTE: noone

see now my conviction level has changed :3

Yes pooky I am asking you

skitter doesn't want you to die. <3

so I'm going to listen to her

it's win-win for me

if you're town she has saved me from a humiliating loss.

if you're scum I will get to gloat post-game :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ah ya, I didn't enjoy it because I was deviated from my meta but not because of all of the other things that were going on within the context of that game that led to a ban yep sure ok pooky

sure there were other things that really annoyed you.

but I have to think that taking a back seat and letting the game state get out of control while your bumbling teammates managed to play themselves into terrible positions was um

illuminating

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky your 'once' video has inspired me to watch a whole of broadway themed videos on youtube tonight

yay! <3

I am glad we have something to dance to in our dreams

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah Kanna is really bad at playing scum lol she is too innocent and pure!

i have experienced this first hand now :>

I think you could've driven me/abr/tweet into fighting earlier when I sparred with him over tweetie - that's probly the best window that opened.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I haven't even made reads yet

I'm just creating action for funz.

it's like less than 48 hours into the game I dunno why people think we are locking things in for the long haul.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the only person I'm like really focussed on is Skitter,

I'm like pretty sure she's town.

like I feel it deep in my heart.

I don't think she could be scum this game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you know I don't lock things in the long haul.
I want to see if we have any common ground in anywhere or scumreads? Like, what do we agree on, what do we disagree on?

probably right now


townread:

skitter

townlean:

norwee
SS

unsorted:
everyone else

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

read mena's posts and get back to me on that

mena's been in a strange place emotionally and it would explain a lot of the inconsistencies in his play recently.

I find he will usually either bleeding town reveal himself or just be unable to get in the game at all.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky if u still have me as scum and ur town u should push me.
You know how I work and you know this is helpful for me if I'm town.

that would be an incredible waste of my time if you were town here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How is setting up the conditions for me to succeed a waste of ur time?

well you wouldn't succeed, If I pushed you, you would just die lol.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

then just don't kill me

I have trouble stopping when I get really into something

and I'm not sure it would be healthy for the thread for me to go hyper aggressive again.

I've just acclimated myself to being more mellow and happy.

Let me enjoy dancing with Skitter :3

If you catch some bad guys I'll even help you elim them

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just won Team Mafia being hardpushed from day 1. Nothing can phase me anymore. I am invincible.
I suggest you to pocket me to avoid the inevitable embarrassment that scumreading me entails Luca.

Anyone else reading this as one of the towniest posts in the thread?

yup thats where my townlean on him comes from :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Let's do a blood pact. 'm down to lose an arm if you are.

we are already soul masons though.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Anyone else reading this as one of the towniest posts in the thread?

What's towny about it?

it's a mind state read

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes

you are hungry

and thinking of tacos.

now you are thinking where you would find tacos

mmm tacos

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If anything, scum!me would probably just keep voting Pooky because reconsidering requires effort and i don’t do that as scum.

lol norwee saying he wouldnt put effort into the game as scum is a very town norwee thing to say

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I like SS even more now, he's the only person who is making real progress on my TL section.

Hectic needs to show me his

soul

because I have real concerns about his happiness level here.

Ydra bought herself a ticket out of today by AtEing me.

The AtE is NAI but there's more than one scum here and she's right that I shouldn't wreck her fun with her friends.

Even though I loved her in a past life and she broke my heart mercilessly, some fragment of her lives on in my heart and I can't be insensitive to her request.

Spoiler: Skitter/Pooky Dance PT

I didn't have a great day at work, kind of exhausting actually. So afterwards as I was sitting in my car I was listening to this song,



and daydreaming about dancing with you, and it make me feel so much better, it felt like all my worries washed away.

I am glad the weather is turning for the better - spring is almost here and I can't wait to go on long walks along the sea.

Watching the stars sparkle above in their majesty

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

let's also listen to gorgeous songs from musicals!

also! why not tl luca?

I like Luca's posting but I don't really have a good baseline to work off of as this is my first time playing with him. I tend to only TR/TL people that I feel confident in reading this early in the game pre-flips.

Spoiler: Skitter/Pooky Dance PT

Dipping you towards the floor now,

Your silky dress so smooth in my hand,

Your laughter ringing throughout the room,

The sparkling stars in your eyes make me feel alive.[/i]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I will accept scum bussing on d1 and promise lots of towncred.

also Skitter is town.

she would not have accepted my dance invitation with a red role pm.

for it would lead to much heartbreak and suffering for me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually that second part is not true

but I would like to think it is

so please allow me to keep my dreams

if only for today :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

She'll murder you with dull razor blades and have the last laugh.

I have promised her an unbreakable townread

she wouldn't murder someone in her pocket

that would be incredibly rude

and also against her win con.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you better not shoot me for towncred

I will be sads

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you should teach me how to bus.

I've never bussed on D1 in my life :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you're right

why are we discussing boring things like mafia theory when we could be dancing ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'll probably do a readslist at some point today after I have more info and I stop feeling lazy :3

I might even do a preliminary readslist tonight if I have time!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the last time I played with suji he afk-lurk-disappeared and he was scum so I can understand the suspicion Norwee has here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe norwee had a similar experience with him ?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I read Norwee based on how he solves. When he's Town his thought-process and posting is so natural, his takes so logical, his insights so brilliant, and I tend to agree with just about everything he says. His progressions are flawless. Nothing like what I've seen this game. I could go into so much detail on this but I don't want to spoil the meta tells I have

you can't actually believe this?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my idea of solving norwee is to just hardpush him until he cries and then he's probly town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I understand the obvtown part

but having read his game very recently I kind of disagree on the brilliant insight part :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I realize my last comment might be interpreted as mean.

It's really not meant that way.

I just don't want Norwee to be set up for some incredibly high standard that you use to judge him as like bad if he does not reach it :<

and yes I do think he will eventually obvtown. But I find norwee more likely to obvtown if someone puts him thru stress :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Alright time for some substantive takes. I'll be back to the regularly scheduled banter before you know it.

Spoiler: Suji

14 posts
1 opening remark to everyone
7 questions
1 greeting to Chara
3 thank yous

No posts for 56 hours.

This feels like a very typical red-role who has been unable to keep up and insert himself into the conversation/fit in.

The questions he asks are kind of bland - some of them go nowhere and I'm not really sure what the point of some of them are ? Like I don't see how they are questions asked with the purpose of actually getting anywhere rather than just trying to engage with the game state in some way when you are not comfortable.

I don't have meta-specific knowledge of this player, I've only had one game with him, and he was scum and was lurker'rep'd out.

Conversely this is also the type of LHF lurker that I would expect the scum to be attacking if this is a green slot.

And I don't really see much pressure here at all.

Spoiler: LegoLucy

I like this slot a lot. the vibe and flow of the posting is very good, there are some thoughts sprinkled in that I can see myself having in the moment. There's a lot of buddying from this slot towards me, but it doesn't

feel

like scum motivated buddying. This however is also a very dangerous slot if it is red; if this is a red slot it can go all the way - the social flow game is very on point. Absolutely re-examine this slot if it gets anywhere close to endgame

Spoiler: Chara

I adore Chara and I can't wait for Chara to return so I can put more things here. I haven't seen anything incredibly townie or pingy from this slot and I doubt I will be able to spot Chara's scum game :3

The emotional undertones feel very loose - I don't think there's any attempt to deceive here

Spoiler: Pooky/Skitter Dance PT

I love this song so much <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don’t really think Lucy looks bad in any other way from what i’m seeing, but their take is just... why?

the obvious answer is that you tend to obvtown very quickly under pressure and it's protown to have you obvtown and solve your slot early.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky that is my absolute favorite song on that album

if you get elimmed today I will go to Hell to find you <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why is mena 'bad news so far'. I'm actually kinda confident he's town after his brief pop in yesterday

I have similar worries about Mena in that he has really not done much to affect the game state at all.

From the first game I played with Mena on this site, I've found him to be highly opinionated and willing to spew his emotions/thoughts all over the thread - be they wrong or right.

This Mena is so much more restrained and passive :/

It's like he's unsure of how best to engage this game state -> and I find that more indicative of scum mena than town mena.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea I think it's fine to give him time for the RL thing to pass over but I do need to see sustained effort/townspew from him before I put him in the town section :>

his will to win as town is so high that he gets to a point where he can't stop himself from spewing himself town - whereas in his scum games its more of just doing whatever is necessary to not look blatantly bad.

~

Where you go, I can't help but follow <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=85778

This one

nothing in this game looks like remotely close to the effort he put in as town when I was scum playing against him

the examples that come to mind are:

PYP and Coalition.

Both games he played his heart out and despite being wrong on like so many elims it was still blazingly obvious he was town.

The passion he displayed is just not here, and it's quite sad

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sure fark let's go

what do you SR me for?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just give me a summary of why you want to flip me today.